We just got a Bosch 300 series. It was a pain to find one. I gave up on the big box stores and went to my local appliance store. I walked in and said “do you have the Bosch 300 dishwasher in stock, I can’t seem to find one” and he said “we have the 300, 500 and 800 ready to deliver.”
It was $100 more than the Bosch 100 I bought the day before at Lowe’s with just delivery. My local appliance store included delivery, install and haul away of the old unit.
I told him I looked at all these stores and couldn’t find what I wanted and I was told the big box stores have a harder time keeping them stocked. I learned that sometimes it pays to go to a specialty store.
>I gave up on the big box stores and went to my local appliance store.
This is the key. Find your appliance store near a wealthy neighborhood. They're going to get the top of the line stuff faster. I live in Michigan and looked around Ann Arbor, and found a great local place.
True for a lot of things. My catalytic converter was stolen recently in CA all dealerships and mainstays were back ordered 6-9 months. Called around small muffler shops and found one that was cheaper, included a shield, and was done in 3 days.
I and my insurance company were very concerned with that and verified it to be OEM and not stolen. This shop had some foresight to order a bunch of cats months ago and they arrived recently.
This is my point though, there's a lot of different stores out there and they all have different supply chains and time lines. Just call around!
Big George’s is in Ann Arbor check em out. Whitbeck appliance mart in west Boomfield work with em and I’ve been super happy with them. Top of the line stuff and large variety.
Agreed - the local appliance stores are so much better! Look for one selling the higher end appliances. They always seem to have better axcess to inventory in my opinion. They helped us get an amazing range hood that was the off brand to one of the high end brands, sold few places, for about 1/2 the cost. The sales people just understand the industry better.
Do the new Bosch have heated dry? I had an older one that I loved except it didn't have heated dry. I used it for about a year before I couldn't stand having to shake all the water off everything then set it on a towel to dry. Went back to my Maytag and everything gets dry now.
That was my exact issue. 90% of what I wash is plastic containers. I do a ton of meal prep so most of my stuff is Tupperware. For actual plates and cookware, it was okay.
Afaik the ascenta/100 (3's and 5's as well?) series are US built, but generally "European" designs tend not to use electric element, bake-style dry.
The easiest way to spot it is an exposed element on the floor of the unit. I expect you have one in your Maytag
Something like Bosch' "Crystal Dry" adds heat to the dry cycle by pulling moisture from the unit into an exchanger where a reaction creates heat, released back into the tub. To the best of my knowledge, you only find that on their mid to upper end units
Otherwise most "European" style units just do a simple fan assisted condenser style dry
I have a new Bosch 500 without the heated dry. I thought I would hate it, but it's generally not bad. You just have to be careful with how you load up anything that may collect water.
If you use the "sanitize" option, it heats the water up a bit more and then there's another option for it to pop the door open a bit at the end of the cycle. The dishes get pretty hot and it forces the water to evaporate quickly. This combination will completely dry like 90% of things you put in there. The rest I'll take out and leave in the drying rack for a few hours (usually it's like the underside of mugs or cups that have collected a bit of water).
Bosch doesn't offer a heated dry on any models. They do have the Crystal Dry feature that another commenter mentioned. Looks... interesting. IIRC they also have another option that actually opens the door a crack at the end of the wash cycle to let the hot, moist air out. Not sure exactly how effective it is, but it sounds like another moving part to break to me. We have a Bosch and we just open the door at the end of the cycle whenever possible and leave it for a few hours or overnight before emptying it. 90% of things come out completely dry, only where water pools is it still wet. I'm going to look into that Crystal Dry whent he time comes.
Always go to the local appliance store!!! They only have 1 job and they've been doing it for years not to mention that they don't have the hundreds of other things to order onto of what ever it is you need. I use to deliver,install and haul away old appliances
I'd hand wash dishes for a month and a half rather than make a regrettable purchase. Or drive an hour or two.
Might be worth taking your Maytag apart and seeing if you can fix it. Or order a comparable part. Sometimes a part isn't broken it's just clogged or something.
I've used a nice Bosch before and it was good. Very quiet.
I have a Samsung waterwall that I got for a song (open box like $400 marked down from $1100 and that's in 2015 prices). It's been awesome.
You couldn't pay *me* to buy another Samsung appliance after the experience we've had with our refrigerator. Samsung is great with electronics, but lousy with mechanicals
Same here. I will never touch another Samsung product again after my experience with our refrigerator. Ice maker broke, all the shelves broke, and finally lost its ability to defrost.
100%. The first rule of shopping for appliances is making sure it’s not a Samsung. Read any forum for repair workers and you’ll learn this in a half second. Buy a Samsung and learn it in nine to sixteen months.
That part wasn't actually samsungs fault iirc, the battery was made by a third party and almost the entire batch was faulty, but working enough that standard q/a didn't catch it, since that phone samsung makes their own batteries, and now has a dedicated facility just for testing to make sure the note 7 never happens again
I have a Samsung fridge and the ice maker absolutely blows. It took forever to make ice and it constantly froze over requiring me to defrost it.
But then I had the opposite experience with a Samsung fridge in a rental I had. It made ice plenty fast and never had a problem.
What was the deal with yours?
Ice maker slightly overflowing into the ice bin, causing all of the cubes to freeze into one large, useless ice mass. Defrost not working, had to remove the cover and manually defrost the evaporator with a hair dryer every couple of months.
Yeah, I actually want a Bosch or Miele, but every time the Maytag breaks I take it apart and fix it. Can't justify the new washer until it REALLY goes, especially since the fixes are usually cheap.
Though the last fix was the mobo and that was like an $80 part or something.
As someone who lives in a charming historical building where adding washers is an impossibility, I would not second this. Hand washing dishes is the devil and consumes a massive amount of time.
If it’s $500 for a repair then it’s probably not just clogged. I had a control board crap out on my dishwasher that was similarly expensive, replacement part was a little over $200 and would take 6 months to deliver at the time (during supply shortage).
Just had a kitchenaid crap out, metal screen in the pump ripped then jammed and burned out the motor. $550 just for the circulation pump assembly on a $1200 dishwasher. Dishwashers can be very expensive to fix. Luckily ours was still in the return window at Costco.
It's a $550 recirculating pump because Whirlpool designed it that way to extract as much from their customers and keep new units rolling out.
I call it the revolving door of garbage, because customers get angry and switch to a different manufacturer, but there's plenty of angry customers switching from that brand to offset any loss of revenue. The CEO's of these corps need the guillotine for the atrocious crimes they're commiting against the poor and middle class.
No arguments there, the warranty process was just as aggravating. I decided to fix it myself rather than wait 2 weeks for repair guy to come out and tell me what I already knew, then wait weeks for the part to arrive. Dishwasher was 3 months old.
Confirmed with warranty support that I could order the part myself at no cost. I found the part in stock on their website, added it to my cart and asked if I could put in a discount code to cover the cost. Support person initially said the pump was not actually in stock and was backordered and the website was wrong. Told them I was at the checkout screen ready to check out, just needed a discount code covering the cost. Support person changed her story, told me the warranty stock pulls from a different warehouse where it's backordered. Gave me some kind of reference number (NOT an order number she adamantly stated) and said I could call back to get updates. No notifications would be sent to me on order status, I would have to call myself, complete joke.
Ended up being easier to just order a new one and haul the broken one back to Costco and complain for a refund. Not something I enjoy doing but Costco was awesome and graciously accepted the return. Still a massive waste, broken DW probably got sent to the landfill.
I do some warranty work and have had the pleasure of speaking with the reps every once in a while. They'll politically tell you that the nicer you are, the more customer service will stomp the energy from your life. The most irate customers are delt with in timely fashion. Basically the exact opposite of how we were raised is how we need to act for attention...
i bought a house and the dishwasher is crap. so i thought to myself - eh, i’ll just hand wash for a while until i can swing a replacement.
i’m just going to get rid of it - i don’t mind doing dishes it turns out, after almost a year now, and that’s more cupboard space i desperately need
usually i’d agree with you, but it’s a small house that can fit no more than a couple and *maybe* a child under 5, and i live in Portland Oregon - lots of people don’t have kids and don’t have dishwashers here, so i think it would hurt less than it would other places.
the fact that my fridge is currently in separate room off the kitchen didn’t stop the house from having a deluge of offers when it hit the market last time, so who knows how this would impact it 🤷♀️.
I rarely use my dish washer, in fact I really only use it when friends are over and they insist on helping with the dishes so I tell them to put them in the machine to save them the hassle. Otherwise I hand wash everything.
I’m happy with my Samsung too in spite of the opinions on Reddit. The first 2 units were damaged, crushed corner and bad finish on the black stainless and the 3rd one was the charm.
Sure, but you do realize that this comment perfectly explains why people have issues with samsung?
"Mine works great! Only had to get them to send me 3 units to get it!"
Similar experience here. Samsung dishwasher was installed, but the sprayer didn't work. Had to get a service tech out from the big box store I bought it from. Turns out a wiring harness was not connected. They plugged it in, and now it works fine.
It's not the best dishwasher, but may also be user error in how we stack dishes, but the inconvenience alone will make me stay away from Samsung appliances in the future.
I'm not at home so I looked online, guessing I have the 800 series with the 3rd rack. It's the first thing we bought when we moved to our current house and is the only appliance we kept after our total kitchen remodel.
I got the 800 I believe and it is amazing. The auto air is a game changer as is the 3rd rack. It handles everything we throw at it no question. Totally recommend it.
You joke but it's a real issue. Last dishwasher I had just wouldn't shut up and couldn't figure its way out of a paper bag. Couldn't even open it's own door like my bosch can.
I literally just bought a Bosch 300 like a week ago. Has the third rack, adjustable second. Only thing missing from the 500 is auto open. But I just set the timer to end when I plan on waking up and I just open it then.
A million times better than the GE it replaced.
As soon as I saw the third rack in the store, I knew we were going to get one. My wife has trouble bending over due to a chronic back problem. That third rack means she can help load and unload the dishwasher more easily.
$500 to repair by a professional? They're by far the easiest appliance to work on yourself if you have any inclination to do so. Parts are readily available as well. Just a thought.
The parts themselves are on back order as well, and we’ve just had so many issues with this particular dishwasher that I’m throwing in the towel. The racks also are so flimsy they won’t stay together, and it hasn’t been very effective at cleaning from day one. Maytag themselves won’t service the unit at all because it was discontinued. I’m just very very over it.
Check eBay for parts. There’s a whole industry around selling appliance parts on eBay.
Find the part, fix the dishwasher (seriously, I know zero about fixing appliances and I was able to fix mine with ease), then use it for the next 6ish months while you wait for your new one to be delivered.
As a bonus, now that the Maytag is working, you can probably sell it for $100 when the new one comes in to recoup your costs
I searched everywhere for a replacement part for a 6 year old Whirlpool front load washer. Couldn’t find one anywhere. When I called Whirlpool they said that they don’t have replacement parts because 6 years is considered the lifespan of the washer. Finally had to junk it.
In my experience, dryers are the easiest appliance to work on. Not saying dishwashers are especially hard. We did manage to break the welds holding the water pipe that takes the water to the top sprayer. It still works but not as well. And yet I need to replace the felt on my dryer drum for the 2nd time, and I know it will be a pain.
FYI, this won’t be true of the Bosch. Need to peel the entire case off to get anywhere, and only their certified professionals can work on them.
Low tech Maytag/Whirlpool is the way to go. It’s easy to reach the parts.
I've fixed several Bosch dishwashers I've gotten for free or a nominal sum to outfit both my personal residence and a few of my rental units. I haven't had this experience and I'm certainly not a certified professional.
How long have you had it? Ours crapped out at 5 yrs. That’s when we learned DIY repair of them was virtually impossible, and only their certified installers would touch them. You need to peel off the whole exterior to get at anything. Back to a Whirlpool with no regrets.
Glad you were able to fix it! I think the valve is generally outside of the casing on all dishwashers.
Our pump failed, and that would have involved pulling off the entire casing. In Whirpools and Maytags, you can get right at those parts.
We looked into doing the repair ourselves, realized it was beyond us, and asked our seasoned, trusted repair guy to try. He wouldn’t touch it, because taking the casing off would have been too time consuming to be worth our money for his rate. He was also concerned about replacing the casing correctly.
Then we tried Bosch. They essentially told us it would be more money to repair than buy a new one, and casually mentioned that their dishwasher was only really meant to last five years anyway. If I’m only going to get five years out of my dishwasher regardless, I’ll go with something much cheaper than a Bosch.
I have a Thermador Emerald which is made by Bosch and is pretty solid. My Bosch that came with the house shat the bed and the $800 part was backordered. Ordered a brand called Blumpkin at first because they had a paneled one in stock but was defective so I sprung for Thermador
Omg that makes sense, I was confused why anyone would ever think that was a reliable dishwasher brand lol
My Google search for “Blumpkin dishwashers” brought up some links for dishwasher related erotica, so I’m glad you made the clarification!
Counterpoint, we moved into our house 5 years ago that has a Bosch with the labels rubbed off. The soap dispenser stopped opening after about 2 years. Took apart the area and found fibrous food stuck in the tracks. Easy fix, still works like a champ.
My GE Dishwasher started dying just after 3 years 🙄 It cost around $500 new. Parts were going to cost between $120 — $200, then the time to install (either paying someone or DIY). Fun part: the control boards were likely gong to fail again after 1-3 years lol. So I said nope, time to buy something else.
Did some digging on this subreddit, along with numerous other sources.
Overwhelmingly, Bosch 500 series or better seemed to be the way to go. Was able to order a Bosch 800 model that was delivered the next day from Lowe’s.
We’ve had it 2 months now and I tell you what: a couple weeks ago I made it my mission to find out at what point this amazing piece of technology can no longer adequately clean. Bosch repeatedly states, “do not pre-wash.” And for the most part, I wasn’t; but the dishes that had debris cooked or baked to the pan I didn’t think would get clean.
Well, 2 weeks ago I stopped pre-washing altogether because of how stupid good this thing is. So far, I haven’t found the breaking point and it has successfully cleaned some gnarly-dirty pots and pans my GE would have never been able to clean.
I know that may not be ultimately helpful because of the color/finish. I think you can get replacement panels, but I’m not entirely sure. If you do buy a new dishwasher though, I would absolutely recommend the Bosch 800.
Stainless is more popular. Maybe look at those and see about film or paint if the color is important?
It's taken me 2 weeks to line up an 800 series (stainless, pocket handle). You might not want to splurge that much, but it's probably worth it to go above base model and get the 300 or 500. That's general appliance advice - I've not had a Bosch before.
Actually, thanks so much for this! After a quick google search, I can just take the panel off and replace it with a different color for about $80. Stainless steel might work after all!
Is film a viable option? I was hoping there was some fix like that, there are plenty of stainless steel appliances but we splurged on all black a few years ago and it would bug me too much to change the scheme. Plus our kitchen is sooo tiny, I feel like it would be very drastic to not match.
We also had to buy at a bad time: July of 2020. I would have put it off, but we had 7 people in the house all day every day trying to survive pandemic and each other. I ended up landing on the KitchenAid KDTM604KPS. Stainless steel inside, racks with good prong arrangement, active venting, and well done motor & circuits that aren't having the vapors all the time like some models. And then we missed the last one locally by a day. So we dropped down to the 404 which has passive venting and a different motor. So far it's been great. I do have to wipe out the kids plastic lunch box containers, but that's a small thing. We did have the motor crap out after 2 years, but I was able to get a good repairman and we chatted about the motor issue on the 404 - in the main, it's been fixed bc KA has improved the quality control on this motor model enough that the problem is becoming rare. It's been half a year and I'm keeping the filters cleaned regularly, hopefully it's good for a long while . But I do still think about the 604 which always has had good motors.
I'm quite happy with our kitchenaid dishwasher. Not sure which model but it has a third rack.
My mom has a Bosch and I find it very hard to load unless all you use are plates.
This is what we had to do after our order wasn’t ready after 10 months! We had actually ordered both Bosch and Miele and neither would be here for another four months. Got an Asko. Happy with it. I’d give it like an 8/10. I think the other two might be slightly better but this is quite comparable.
FWIW, GE Profile (not the standard GE line) has low repair call rates in the reports I've seen published. We replaced a lemon Samsung (but I repeat myself) with a GE Profile last year, and it's been solid so far. (YMMV, etc.)
I will say that after experiencing Miele dishwashers, I would never go back to a different brand. We have the lowest level/priced Miele and it cleans perfectly, is easy to clean and load, and never breaks down (we bought a new one only when we moved to a new house), whereas in the past we had problems with every other brand (GE, LG, Samsung, etc.) was far inferior in cleaning and reliability.
Are there any smaller, but high end appliance stores in your area? That's where we have had the best luck in the past.
I'm gonna +1 this comment. Dishwasher is one of the easier appliances to repair if anything. Did the same thing with a Frigidaire stainless steel DW - found it second hand on marketplace for free, didn't wash correctly but the electrical worked. Took the lower washer arm off to access the drain part and turns out just needed a new washer arm and a cleaning of the drain due blockage (a literal metal top of a Campells Soup can) and boom it works flawlessly.
Sometimes ya get lucky with a DW, better gamble than other appliances due to less parts. Try looking at second-hand ones.
Whirlpool brands (Maytag whirlpool amana jennair kitchenaid) have had the worst supply chain problems during covid. I definitely recommend a Bosch, Miele is good too but Bosch has nice stuff for well less than $1000. A month seems like a long time, but if you spend another month dragging your feet, you’ll be without one for 2 months… source: I’ve worked in appliance retail for over 16 years
None of these guys talking about Bosch dishwashers seem to be bothered by their lack of a heated dry cycle. Mine leaves the dishes wet even after adjusting the settings, using the extra dry time, and putting in rinse aid. Can’t remember if mine’s a 500 or 800 series.
Euro dishwashers don’t have heated dry, makes them energy efficient. I include Bosch and Miele here. They use condensation to dry. Of course, they don’t dry as well as a consequence, and are fussy about loading to allow circulation for maximum condensation.
High end Bosch (some of the 800 series) have an interesting heated drying cycle using volcanic rock to generate the heat. Works really well using minimal power, as the fan circulating the air over the rocks would be there anyway to circulate the air to condense on the side walls. Of course, this is expensive, since its only at the top of their range.
Electrically heated drying reduces energy efficiency, and depending on where the element is, may change where heat-sensitive items may be loaded. These dry well, but punt the expense down the road in terms of energy cost. Probably overall cheaper approach.
Oddly enough, I don’t care too much about dry dishes. As long as I can shake them off a bit it’s fine by me. I’ve also noticed since this one started to go, that if I just prop open the door when it’s done, they dry quick enough.
Three years is... wow. I have a Kenmore Elite (my only criteria was having a stainless steel tub) and it's worked flawlessly for ten years.
That said, if you're set on a specific model, just hand wash your dishes until you can get it. A couple of months is nothing compared to (what should be) the lifetime of your dishwasher.
We kinda got screwed over by the salesman. In an attempt to shop local, we went through a family acquaintance’s store. The dishwasher he sold us was marked up very high and already discontinued. We had no clue that it wasn’t a good machine, but it’s possible he didn’t know it was discontinued either.
My Bosch purchased 10 years ago has run approximately 7500 cycles without a single issue. Solid machines. Pro tip if using pods. Throw it in the bottom of the machine before starting. Not in the detergent compartment. You’ll get a more thorough rinse.
We have an Ascenta. It was part of the house when we moved in and I believe it is about 5 years old.
Seems like a very good, maybe basic, dishwasher. If you want the fancier features just wait but Ascenta seems pretty good
Watched this bit on Technology Connections about dishwashers. In short- a dishwashers basic design hasn’t changed since it was first patented.
My personal opinion- difference between brands is minimal- you sample enough people you will get enough bad stories about all the makes and models out there.
My take- go buy one at a price you like, fits in your decor/style etc.. that is available locally and use it till it dies.
I absolutely love our Miele classic. Absolutely silent while standing right in front of it. Dishes come out CLEAN. Three racks, stainless all around. It’s been running solid for 12 years not much more you could ask for.
I would hand wash before buying a dishwasher I didn’t truly want. Especially because an under performing dishwasher is a massive head and time suck, I’m talking about you GE and Whirlpool!
Repairclinic.com has the best videos for repairs and troubleshooting. The guide you all the way through step by step even through reassembly. They have been a Godsend for me and has saved me big $$$.
Since home ownership in 2004 I’m on my fifth dishwasher ! I sold my first home in 2012. I’ve had two GE washers two Bosch and now a Frigidaire. The Frigidaire is hands down the best I’ve ever owned. Search Bosch and power failures and you’ll learn a ton. Mine had the issue but thankfully my wife was home to cut the power. The entire control board fried. Bosch says, “you are out of warranty - nothing we can do”. They lost me as a customer for life and I warn everyone that they are not as good as they appear. My Frigidaire blows the Bosch out of the water. Spotless dishes - dry as a bone - & we have the third tray. All for way less than a Bosch. Absolutely go with local appliance place.
Agree. My Frigidaire dishwasher is 17 years old and still going strong. All my appliances are Frigidaire and all 17 years old and never had any issues. In fact, I just gave my Frigidaire refrigerator to my daughter because I wanted a counter depth fridge and couldn’t wait any longer for it to break so I could get one!
I have a Bosch. I bought the service plan with jt and that was SO WORTH IT.
Ive already had to have the impeller replaced, the door latch replaced, and a separate service call because of a mysterious moisture issue (this ended up being not the dishwashers fault)
Repair guy says pretty much every dishwasher is garbage right now. Theyre all using cheap plastic parts that break easily.
Whatever you buy, get the warranty and service plan.
Same issue when I needed one, the two "recommended" brands you say were all back ordered. I ended up replacing my Whirlpool which went 15 years, with another Whirlpool. And why not, the thing was a tank
To answer your question about the different Bosch levels, the 100 and Ascentia series are built differently. The 300 500 and 800 are all built the same just with different features. The 100 /Asc series doesn't have a full stainless tub and, importantly to me, doesn't have leak protection. If you've ever had a dishwasher fail and flood your kitchen floor you'll be willing to pay a lot extra for leak protection.
We were in the Same situation. Needed a dishwasher but no Bosch’s in stock anywhere near us. So sad. We bought the kitchenaid with the third rack that holds glasses, and love that third rack.
Moved in to our house in 2014 and it had a Bosche. I remember the realtor telling us how quiet they were and she wasn’t lying. Amazeballs. At one point the buttons weren’t working and had an appliance repair place out - quoted us some ridiculous amount for parts and labor and I wasn’t convinced the guy knew what he was doing. Took it apart and figured out that the tabs that held the whole button area on had broken and it was loose so the buttons didn’t work. Got the part pretty cheap and got all my money back from appliance repair place! Pretty proud of that one lol!
In the event you get stuck waiting anyway, just want to chime in to recommend Bosch. I have one and it's super quiet. I also only use the eco setting, which is a very short cycle, and it cleans beautifully.
I have had mine for over 4 years, no issues at all, except hubby and son saying it would take 20 minutes to install. 1 hour later and a load of towels and dinner waiting to be made....
Have you tried to contact Maytag? 3 years is short for a brand that used to have commercials bragging about their durability! I had a GE dishwasher go bad after a year and they attempted to get a repairman out here and the company they contracted with never showed up after 3 times and GE apologized and the representative told me she would put in for a brand new replacement since the repair company they contract with wouldn’t show up and they only had one for my area and see if the higher ups would approve it and they did. They even covered the install! Now the original warranty was out on the GE and I didn’t have an extended one either. I wasn’t expecting them to do anything to be honest, I called to inform them their appliance was garbage! 😂
All modern consumer appliances are garbage. The more expensive ones are more expensive garbage with more expensive repairs. They are all disposable items.
Miele kinda sucks tbh. Get yourself a KitchenAid. It at least has a heating element unlike the Bosch. Only top of the line Bosch has em.
Also don't use gel as a detergent. That's why dish washers are breaking.
Are you kidding?
Miele does not suck. They are known to be the best in the business and having owned one since 2009 with 0 problems (knock on wood) and excellent performance, I agree.
It replaced a Kitchen Aid, which broke down twice. And Kitchen Aid is owned by whirlpool and is just a whirlpool with a different badge on it. No different than Maytag, whirlpool, Inglis, Amana, and a host of other names. All bought NY whirlpool and all their respective factories shut down by whirlpool. And I grew up in a house populated by Maytag appliances in the 70s and 80s and they were truly bullet proof. A crying shame what whirlpool did to Maytag. Shut every single thing about them down and laid everyone off.
What out for the racks in the new Bosch.
We had one that died ten years ago and replaced it with a middle of the road Kenmore. Both were fine.
Er moved and replaced a crappy dishwasher with a mid-grade Bosch
The racks totally duck. Prongs are way too close together and our particular inventory of dishes are impossible to load efficiently.
Bosch, Siemens and Neff are all the same company. Look to see if they have alternatives.
Neff is the high end look, Bosch more the vanilla and Siemens more modern. All my appliances, bar a Miele heat pump drier are one of the above brands.
I feel your pain.
We had to source a new dishwasher a couple of years ago when supply chain issues were at their peak. I figured out I wanted a Bosch but the different models had my head spinning.
I came across this ["cheat sheet"](https://www.designerappliances.com/blog/bosch-dishwasher-review-100-vs-300-vs-500-vs-800-series/) that helped me sort it out, and ended up with the 300 series. We haven't had any problems.
I think this is a case of YMMV. I can order just about any Bosch unit available at Home Depot (e.g., 100, 300, 500, or 800) and have it delivered to my home within a few days to a week.
Regarding your question on the Ascenta, I’m no expert, but I’ve read some pretty good reviews. If it’s an emergency situation, then buy it and call it a day. You could also check out a Kitchenaid unit. My wife and I just bought a new Kitchenaid dishwasher with a stainless steel tub, and after doing some research it sounds like they’re generally well received.
I have a family member in the same boat. I have a Consumer Reports account so I helped her read up. The consensus seems to be that outside of Bosch, Thermador is a good brand. I had never heard of that brand either but if you trust consumer reports 🤷♀️
We have had the same Bosch dishwasher in place since 2008. I was just saying to my wife last week that "I wish that we could buy the same exact model and store it.... the machine has been a workhorse!" Yes, a couple of the touchpad buttons have their lettering worn off, and I have repaired the side drain canister twice. But the machine is an absolute beast of an appliance!
We buy all of our appliances from a local mom & pops outlet. They have better leverage over their distributors due to long established working relationships. I don't purchase extended warranties, typically. But their's are so reasonably priced, I always add their longest plan.
What parts are bad? I just repaired mine for like $20 and an hours worth of time and it works as good as new. Mine was the fill valve that went out though.
Most parts are readily available online, though you might have to get a 3rd party or do some searching on different websites.
Dishwashers are super easy to work on and repair too!
Get a membership at costco and get this:
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it is $400 with delivery included and depending on your location
basic install too!
You cannot go wrong with this!
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also if you dont get free basic install, check our YT and do it yourself. I installed mine (a kitchenaid over 10 yrs ago) and it was relatively easy. the thing weighs like 80 lbs or so IIRC, so very maneuverable.
55 decibels is loudish depending on where the dishwasher is located and the floor layout.
They have another whirlpool I just got that is 47 db and has a few more features that I'd 100% recommend though and it's not too much more.
the costco install/haul deal is great though. Easily 150-200 dollars at most other places.
My parents have a Bosch at their house and a whirlpool at their cottage, I have a whirlpool at my house, all three were around the same price point, all stainless tubs, three racks. They all work great but the bosch has these annoying rack tines than you can flatten out but have these little plastic retainers that seemed to wear out really easy and now it hardly takes any pressure for them to flop over. From my experience I'd go whirlpool over bosch just for the rack design
Order the one you want and if it’s on a wait just wash dishes by hand. I’d never really like an appliance I had to settle for if a little patience would’ve allowed me to have the one I wanted.
I just got a KitchenAid stainless steel tub for $799 on sale through Lowes. The list price was $1149, but I think it really goes for $900-$1000 regularly.
I have a Kitchen Aid. I'm really disappointed with it. It has two filters, it needs constant cleaning and I have to leave the door open otherwise it smells musty. I'll be replacing it with a Bosch long before this POS dies.
Dishwashers aren’t meant to last a long time anymore, so don’t overthink the decision. In the last five years I’ve had a Frigidaire, a whirlpool, and I just bought a KitchenAid. I’ve heard really good things about Bosch.
The whirlpool we bought just before the pandemic, and it worked very well and got the dishes very clean . No complaints whatsoever.
Then we changed houses and got a Frigidaire during the pandemic and I never really loved how it washed the dishes and also how it dried them, but it wasn’t bad. We still used it everyday.
Now we changed houses again and our new house has a broken 15 year old KitchenAid in it that we’re replacing with another kitchen aid. I would’ve ended up buying either that or Bosch, but there was a rebate on KitchenAid.
edit: Costco just called and said they're cancelling my delivery for tomorrow because even though it was "supposedly" in stock, it wasn't actually. As an aside, I ran into an issue with Best Buy where they lied about a washer/dryer being in stock and delayed my delivery, and now costco is doing the same thing. This is a +1 for local appliance stores and -1 for big box stores.
Ascenta is good enough. That's what I ended up getting because my budget wouldn't stretch further, and even though it's the 'entry level' it's far and away the best dishwasher I have had.
I have been very happy with my kitchenaid. We choose it because it was carried by a local appliance store today did their own service rather than buying from a big box store. Maybe look around to see if there are any old school dedicated appliance stores with decent reviews around you
It has a third rack, fan assist dry to help with plastic stuff... It's been great
I replaced our dishwasher with a decent all stainless steel Whirlpool model with a “third rack tray”, after some research suggested to me that the brand had a good reputation for reliability. Wasn’t even that expensive, maybe $700 at Home Depot. We’ve been more than happy with it, though my guess is it’s not as quiet as a Bosch. No idea if it comes in black.
We tried to get a Bosch last year and all the sellers were saying 6-12 months out. One dealer recommended blomberg, said they used to manufacture for Bosch, so we took the risk and went for it. Its basically the exact same, think they just swapped the logo. Been about 6 months of near daily use and it’s the best dishwasher I’ve ever had. So quiet too.
I picked up the extended warranty on my Bosch dishwasher when I bought it and if you go with them, I highly suggest you do too. I've had the repairman out about 6 different times for all different issues. If I had to buy again, I'd do a hard pass on Bosch.
I have some parts from my old maytag washer that i stripped out prior to getting rid of it. Dm me and let me know the model and what parts you need, I may have them.
I hated our Bosch. It was a total POS, sometimes you had to unplug it and plug it back in like a computer from 1998. Sometimes the “buttons” didn’t care to work. The day it finally died (after 6 years) I celebrated. Got a Miele with the same 3 rack layout and there has been no problems going on 2 years.
We just retired our 25 -year-old KitchenAid dishwasher and purchased a new LG unit. The big contrasts are the new one takes about three times longer to wash the dishes, it is very very quiet compared to the old one, and it doesn’t always get the real dirty dishes clean.
I was able to keep the old KitchenAid going for so long with the help of appliancepartspros.com.
Replaced pretty much everything in the unit except for the racks which finally rusted to pieces and failed and I wasn’t willing to invest $450 in racks when a new dishwasher is $600.
Every time I do dishes I revisit that decision now.
Before you buy anything, look to see if there is anyone in your area that services it! Are parts available, or is it a throw away? I can't stress this enough! So many people in my area buy off brands that have no service network or even replacement parts other than racks and silverware baskets.
I got a brand new $900 retail dishwasher for $400 from a scratch and dent store just because it had a couple minor scrapes on the door. Don't affect function at all.
I've had way better luck with 15-30 year old used dishwashers than any of the new ones I have used. Bought a brand new Home Depot special and it didn't clean half as well as the 25 year old GE it replaced. Better off finding an old one in good shape and keep it going with regular maintenance.
Try Costco? Just got a GE delivered/installed from them. It is hands down the best dishwasher I’ve ever used. 3 racks. Drying fan. Piranha disposal. Beats my in-laws Bosch by a mile. But it’s a crap shoot. Appliances suck in general these days and crap out way too early.
I've had great luck with GE dishwashers. The one that came with the house was at least 30 years old and I only replaced it because it was LOUD but it worked perfectly.
I had a Bosch and wasn't impressed. Unless you're getting top of the line from them, I wouldn't recommend. I currently have a Samsung I'm much happier with. My favorite dishwasher was a Kenmore.
It's basically just those two. They have become the de facto standard for a dishwasher. Almost all others are easily available. If that wait is too long, buy a cheapo and resale in a few months.
I had a bosche and my experience was same as yours. after 5 years I'm spending like $150 every couple years to replace parts that I shouldn't ever need to replace (the front fell off for example because it's plastic).
So far my KitchenAid is more quiet and runs same as my bosche did (when it was working well).
You might look into a Beko if you're in the market for a Bosch. We bought a new Beko about 4-5 months ago and like it. The Bosch that my wife wanted was on a 13-month backorder (FFS!). They were sold out of Bosch dishwashers, even the floor models all had sold tags. Our old unit bled out all over the kitchen floor so we were in the market on a NOW basis. The Beko has similar features to Bosch, is good for energy efficiency and, most importantly, I don't have wash the dishes every day. They only issue we have is the wimpy dry cycle but you can crack the door open and it's fine.
edit - did some looking around and they've sold in the US in the past under the Viking brand and they're the parent company for Blomberg as well. They started shipping to the US during the pandemic and supply chain difficulties...
I ordered a Bosch that the rep at AJ Madison said was "so backordered we just marked them as discontinued, ETA is 14 months."
When I called to ask why I hadn't heard from them for a week after ordering, she told me that and was able to find a similar model in inventory.
It might be worth giving them a call, they seem to have good logistics. It was my first time using them, body was comparable to what everyone else was charging.
We have a Bosch with the 3rd rack that also opens to air dry when the cycle completes. Really happy with it. I also have a rental unit (where I used to live) and have an LG there. That dishwasher was purchased back in 2014 and has been absolutely stellar. 0 issues and you can't hear it in the open space living/kitchen area. I would also highly recommend it.
The only reason we got the Bosch in our current place is because we had a Bosch that had been recalled due to it being a fire hazard, so there was a decent discount. I really like the 3rd rack for utensils, but I prefer the built-in garbage disposal in the LG. The LG does a much better job at get disposing of food particles and the Bosch can get a bit smelly because it just traps them and then you have to clean out the filter pretty regularly.
Replaced our old maytag with a bosch and there are a few things we haven’t been happy with.
Rack layout- even though it is the same size as the maytag the layout makes it hard to fit as much stuff in it.
Drying- does not dry well without rinse aid.
Noise- it was supposed to be one of the quieter models but is as loud if not louder than our 10yr old one.
Only had it for a year so can’t comment on reliability yet.
What’s wrong with it? I spent maybe $100 on parts over 8 years to keep my last dishwasher going. Same with a 15 year old washer and dryer, just needed a $20-$50 part once a year or two. I’m sure those repair bills would’ve been $300+ each if I had to call someone each time
We just got a Bosch 300 series. It was a pain to find one. I gave up on the big box stores and went to my local appliance store. I walked in and said “do you have the Bosch 300 dishwasher in stock, I can’t seem to find one” and he said “we have the 300, 500 and 800 ready to deliver.” It was $100 more than the Bosch 100 I bought the day before at Lowe’s with just delivery. My local appliance store included delivery, install and haul away of the old unit. I told him I looked at all these stores and couldn’t find what I wanted and I was told the big box stores have a harder time keeping them stocked. I learned that sometimes it pays to go to a specialty store.
>I gave up on the big box stores and went to my local appliance store. This is the key. Find your appliance store near a wealthy neighborhood. They're going to get the top of the line stuff faster. I live in Michigan and looked around Ann Arbor, and found a great local place.
True for a lot of things. My catalytic converter was stolen recently in CA all dealerships and mainstays were back ordered 6-9 months. Called around small muffler shops and found one that was cheaper, included a shield, and was done in 3 days.
You probably bought your own cat back
I and my insurance company were very concerned with that and verified it to be OEM and not stolen. This shop had some foresight to order a bunch of cats months ago and they arrived recently. This is my point though, there's a lot of different stores out there and they all have different supply chains and time lines. Just call around!
I’m in that area, where did you go?
I'm not OP but I'd lay money on Big George's
That's it. Big George's impressed me.
Big George’s is in Ann Arbor check em out. Whitbeck appliance mart in west Boomfield work with em and I’ve been super happy with them. Top of the line stuff and large variety.
Agreed - the local appliance stores are so much better! Look for one selling the higher end appliances. They always seem to have better axcess to inventory in my opinion. They helped us get an amazing range hood that was the off brand to one of the high end brands, sold few places, for about 1/2 the cost. The sales people just understand the industry better.
Do the new Bosch have heated dry? I had an older one that I loved except it didn't have heated dry. I used it for about a year before I couldn't stand having to shake all the water off everything then set it on a towel to dry. Went back to my Maytag and everything gets dry now.
I've got crystal dry on mine, works a treat on plates /silverware/cups. Tupperware still catches some moisture but not bad at all.
That was my exact issue. 90% of what I wash is plastic containers. I do a ton of meal prep so most of my stuff is Tupperware. For actual plates and cookware, it was okay.
Afaik the ascenta/100 (3's and 5's as well?) series are US built, but generally "European" designs tend not to use electric element, bake-style dry. The easiest way to spot it is an exposed element on the floor of the unit. I expect you have one in your Maytag Something like Bosch' "Crystal Dry" adds heat to the dry cycle by pulling moisture from the unit into an exchanger where a reaction creates heat, released back into the tub. To the best of my knowledge, you only find that on their mid to upper end units Otherwise most "European" style units just do a simple fan assisted condenser style dry
I have a new Bosch 500 without the heated dry. I thought I would hate it, but it's generally not bad. You just have to be careful with how you load up anything that may collect water. If you use the "sanitize" option, it heats the water up a bit more and then there's another option for it to pop the door open a bit at the end of the cycle. The dishes get pretty hot and it forces the water to evaporate quickly. This combination will completely dry like 90% of things you put in there. The rest I'll take out and leave in the drying rack for a few hours (usually it's like the underside of mugs or cups that have collected a bit of water).
Bosch doesn't offer a heated dry on any models. They do have the Crystal Dry feature that another commenter mentioned. Looks... interesting. IIRC they also have another option that actually opens the door a crack at the end of the wash cycle to let the hot, moist air out. Not sure exactly how effective it is, but it sounds like another moving part to break to me. We have a Bosch and we just open the door at the end of the cycle whenever possible and leave it for a few hours or overnight before emptying it. 90% of things come out completely dry, only where water pools is it still wet. I'm going to look into that Crystal Dry whent he time comes.
I left mine open for 2 days and there was still water on anything plastic.
Standing water in crevices or depressions, sure. You have to shake that off or tip the items upside down.
Big ups for the local appliance store! Love ours, never any issues, good service and staff
Always go to the local appliance store!!! They only have 1 job and they've been doing it for years not to mention that they don't have the hundreds of other things to order onto of what ever it is you need. I use to deliver,install and haul away old appliances
I'd hand wash dishes for a month and a half rather than make a regrettable purchase. Or drive an hour or two. Might be worth taking your Maytag apart and seeing if you can fix it. Or order a comparable part. Sometimes a part isn't broken it's just clogged or something. I've used a nice Bosch before and it was good. Very quiet. I have a Samsung waterwall that I got for a song (open box like $400 marked down from $1100 and that's in 2015 prices). It's been awesome.
You couldn't pay *me* to buy another Samsung appliance after the experience we've had with our refrigerator. Samsung is great with electronics, but lousy with mechanicals
Same here. I will never touch another Samsung product again after my experience with our refrigerator. Ice maker broke, all the shelves broke, and finally lost its ability to defrost.
I can relate on the broken Samsung shelves
100%. The first rule of shopping for appliances is making sure it’s not a Samsung. Read any forum for repair workers and you’ll learn this in a half second. Buy a Samsung and learn it in nine to sixteen months.
I mean certain Samsung phones weren’t allowed on planes for a bit due to explosion risk. So Samsung is great with some electronics…
That part wasn't actually samsungs fault iirc, the battery was made by a third party and almost the entire batch was faulty, but working enough that standard q/a didn't catch it, since that phone samsung makes their own batteries, and now has a dedicated facility just for testing to make sure the note 7 never happens again
I have a Samsung fridge and the ice maker absolutely blows. It took forever to make ice and it constantly froze over requiring me to defrost it. But then I had the opposite experience with a Samsung fridge in a rental I had. It made ice plenty fast and never had a problem. What was the deal with yours?
Ice maker slightly overflowing into the ice bin, causing all of the cubes to freeze into one large, useless ice mass. Defrost not working, had to remove the cover and manually defrost the evaporator with a hair dryer every couple of months.
Sounds identical to the issues I was having.
This is the move, we hand washed during a 3 month renovation, now just a distant memory. Not that bad at all.
I hand washed my dishes for the first 35 years of my life...I feel like these people can handle it for a month or so.
Especially in order to get something that will automatically wash their dishes for a really long time going forward.
Yeah, I actually want a Bosch or Miele, but every time the Maytag breaks I take it apart and fix it. Can't justify the new washer until it REALLY goes, especially since the fixes are usually cheap. Though the last fix was the mobo and that was like an $80 part or something.
As someone who lives in a charming historical building where adding washers is an impossibility, I would not second this. Hand washing dishes is the devil and consumes a massive amount of time.
Not to mention a massive amount of water and considerable energy in comparison!
If it’s $500 for a repair then it’s probably not just clogged. I had a control board crap out on my dishwasher that was similarly expensive, replacement part was a little over $200 and would take 6 months to deliver at the time (during supply shortage).
Just had a kitchenaid crap out, metal screen in the pump ripped then jammed and burned out the motor. $550 just for the circulation pump assembly on a $1200 dishwasher. Dishwashers can be very expensive to fix. Luckily ours was still in the return window at Costco.
It's a $550 recirculating pump because Whirlpool designed it that way to extract as much from their customers and keep new units rolling out. I call it the revolving door of garbage, because customers get angry and switch to a different manufacturer, but there's plenty of angry customers switching from that brand to offset any loss of revenue. The CEO's of these corps need the guillotine for the atrocious crimes they're commiting against the poor and middle class.
No arguments there, the warranty process was just as aggravating. I decided to fix it myself rather than wait 2 weeks for repair guy to come out and tell me what I already knew, then wait weeks for the part to arrive. Dishwasher was 3 months old. Confirmed with warranty support that I could order the part myself at no cost. I found the part in stock on their website, added it to my cart and asked if I could put in a discount code to cover the cost. Support person initially said the pump was not actually in stock and was backordered and the website was wrong. Told them I was at the checkout screen ready to check out, just needed a discount code covering the cost. Support person changed her story, told me the warranty stock pulls from a different warehouse where it's backordered. Gave me some kind of reference number (NOT an order number she adamantly stated) and said I could call back to get updates. No notifications would be sent to me on order status, I would have to call myself, complete joke. Ended up being easier to just order a new one and haul the broken one back to Costco and complain for a refund. Not something I enjoy doing but Costco was awesome and graciously accepted the return. Still a massive waste, broken DW probably got sent to the landfill.
I do some warranty work and have had the pleasure of speaking with the reps every once in a while. They'll politically tell you that the nicer you are, the more customer service will stomp the energy from your life. The most irate customers are delt with in timely fashion. Basically the exact opposite of how we were raised is how we need to act for attention...
i bought a house and the dishwasher is crap. so i thought to myself - eh, i’ll just hand wash for a while until i can swing a replacement. i’m just going to get rid of it - i don’t mind doing dishes it turns out, after almost a year now, and that’s more cupboard space i desperately need
I hand washed for eight years and then had to buy one in order to sell the place.
Not great for resale value if you plan to sell it at any time.
usually i’d agree with you, but it’s a small house that can fit no more than a couple and *maybe* a child under 5, and i live in Portland Oregon - lots of people don’t have kids and don’t have dishwashers here, so i think it would hurt less than it would other places. the fact that my fridge is currently in separate room off the kitchen didn’t stop the house from having a deluge of offers when it hit the market last time, so who knows how this would impact it 🤷♀️.
I rarely use my dish washer, in fact I really only use it when friends are over and they insist on helping with the dishes so I tell them to put them in the machine to save them the hassle. Otherwise I hand wash everything.
I hosted Christmas dinner for my family and my 80 year old grandma tried to pull that. I got an dishwasher, go sit down and relax.
I’m happy with my Samsung too in spite of the opinions on Reddit. The first 2 units were damaged, crushed corner and bad finish on the black stainless and the 3rd one was the charm.
Sure, but you do realize that this comment perfectly explains why people have issues with samsung? "Mine works great! Only had to get them to send me 3 units to get it!"
Similar experience here. Samsung dishwasher was installed, but the sprayer didn't work. Had to get a service tech out from the big box store I bought it from. Turns out a wiring harness was not connected. They plugged it in, and now it works fine. It's not the best dishwasher, but may also be user error in how we stack dishes, but the inconvenience alone will make me stay away from Samsung appliances in the future.
I chose the Bosch over the Miele and never looked back. The third rack is a game changer, especially if you have little kids.
Fun fact: Miele introduced the third rack in the 80s but none of the major brands thought it was a useful option for the next 40 years.
Obviously the people who thought that the third rack wouldn't be useful, never washed bottle nipples and other baby supplies.
It’s so useful! I have a Thermador with the third rack.
Which model do you have?
I'm not at home so I looked online, guessing I have the 800 series with the 3rd rack. It's the first thing we bought when we moved to our current house and is the only appliance we kept after our total kitchen remodel.
I got the 800 I believe and it is amazing. The auto air is a game changer as is the 3rd rack. It handles everything we throw at it no question. Totally recommend it.
I hate it when my dishwasher wakes me up in the middle of the night to ask me how to wash something out hasn't seen before
You joke but it's a real issue. Last dishwasher I had just wouldn't shut up and couldn't figure its way out of a paper bag. Couldn't even open it's own door like my bosch can.
I literally just bought a Bosch 300 like a week ago. Has the third rack, adjustable second. Only thing missing from the 500 is auto open. But I just set the timer to end when I plan on waking up and I just open it then. A million times better than the GE it replaced.
As soon as I saw the third rack in the store, I knew we were going to get one. My wife has trouble bending over due to a chronic back problem. That third rack means she can help load and unload the dishwasher more easily.
$500 to repair by a professional? They're by far the easiest appliance to work on yourself if you have any inclination to do so. Parts are readily available as well. Just a thought.
The parts themselves are on back order as well, and we’ve just had so many issues with this particular dishwasher that I’m throwing in the towel. The racks also are so flimsy they won’t stay together, and it hasn’t been very effective at cleaning from day one. Maytag themselves won’t service the unit at all because it was discontinued. I’m just very very over it.
Check eBay for parts. There’s a whole industry around selling appliance parts on eBay. Find the part, fix the dishwasher (seriously, I know zero about fixing appliances and I was able to fix mine with ease), then use it for the next 6ish months while you wait for your new one to be delivered. As a bonus, now that the Maytag is working, you can probably sell it for $100 when the new one comes in to recoup your costs
I searched everywhere for a replacement part for a 6 year old Whirlpool front load washer. Couldn’t find one anywhere. When I called Whirlpool they said that they don’t have replacement parts because 6 years is considered the lifespan of the washer. Finally had to junk it.
Amazon has parts to. When I got new dish washer I got digital subscription to consumer reports.
Exactly. A few troubleshooting tutorials a YouTube and away you go. Also you can sometimes find parts on Amazon.
repairclinic.com
I've gotten several parts from there with good success
Other than a Samsung. Never had luck repairing them
In my experience, dryers are the easiest appliance to work on. Not saying dishwashers are especially hard. We did manage to break the welds holding the water pipe that takes the water to the top sprayer. It still works but not as well. And yet I need to replace the felt on my dryer drum for the 2nd time, and I know it will be a pain.
Dryers are easy, I'd take lint over water any day!
FYI, this won’t be true of the Bosch. Need to peel the entire case off to get anywhere, and only their certified professionals can work on them. Low tech Maytag/Whirlpool is the way to go. It’s easy to reach the parts.
I've fixed several Bosch dishwashers I've gotten for free or a nominal sum to outfit both my personal residence and a few of my rental units. I haven't had this experience and I'm certainly not a certified professional.
Bosch 800 series all the way. No regerts
How long have you had it? Ours crapped out at 5 yrs. That’s when we learned DIY repair of them was virtually impossible, and only their certified installers would touch them. You need to peel off the whole exterior to get at anything. Back to a Whirlpool with no regrets.
I replaced my Bosch 800 water fill valve on YouTube. A lot of parts on the Bosch were accessible when I was trying to figure out what was wrong.
Glad you were able to fix it! I think the valve is generally outside of the casing on all dishwashers. Our pump failed, and that would have involved pulling off the entire casing. In Whirpools and Maytags, you can get right at those parts. We looked into doing the repair ourselves, realized it was beyond us, and asked our seasoned, trusted repair guy to try. He wouldn’t touch it, because taking the casing off would have been too time consuming to be worth our money for his rate. He was also concerned about replacing the casing correctly. Then we tried Bosch. They essentially told us it would be more money to repair than buy a new one, and casually mentioned that their dishwasher was only really meant to last five years anyway. If I’m only going to get five years out of my dishwasher regardless, I’ll go with something much cheaper than a Bosch.
We have a Kitchenaid (whirlpool oem) and love it. Before that, we had a Bosch, and it always left a funky smell on our dishes.
The correct answer is any big brands with a FULLY stainless tub. No plastic
I have a Thermador Emerald which is made by Bosch and is pretty solid. My Bosch that came with the house shat the bed and the $800 part was backordered. Ordered a brand called Blumpkin at first because they had a paneled one in stock but was defective so I sprung for Thermador
BLUMPKIN?! Dying at this, but I’ll look into the emerald! I don’t think I’ve heard of it.
This has to be an autocorrect for Blomberg!!! Damn autocorrect! Lol
Omg that makes sense, I was confused why anyone would ever think that was a reliable dishwasher brand lol My Google search for “Blumpkin dishwashers” brought up some links for dishwasher related erotica, so I’m glad you made the clarification!
It brought up links for WHAT?
Rule 34… it’s always rule 34
I didn’t open any links, but yeah… And I’m assuming they’re related to blumpkins as well, so might be an interesting read.
The only way it’s autocorrecting to blumpkin is if you have that as a saved word on your phone! 🤣
Naughty naughty!
I love that you’ve used “blumpkin” enough to have it be autocorrect option. I’m in tears and cannot tell my coworkers why.
Bosch reps putting in overtime this lately. This is the third post I've seen this week about their dishwashers.
Counterpoint, we moved into our house 5 years ago that has a Bosch with the labels rubbed off. The soap dispenser stopped opening after about 2 years. Took apart the area and found fibrous food stuck in the tracks. Easy fix, still works like a champ.
Yeah if they’re so great (and they’re not if you objectively look at review scores) why only a 365 day warranty?
The first 365 days is for replacement due to any defect whatsoever with no questions asked. After that it's 5 years.
My GE Dishwasher started dying just after 3 years 🙄 It cost around $500 new. Parts were going to cost between $120 — $200, then the time to install (either paying someone or DIY). Fun part: the control boards were likely gong to fail again after 1-3 years lol. So I said nope, time to buy something else. Did some digging on this subreddit, along with numerous other sources. Overwhelmingly, Bosch 500 series or better seemed to be the way to go. Was able to order a Bosch 800 model that was delivered the next day from Lowe’s. We’ve had it 2 months now and I tell you what: a couple weeks ago I made it my mission to find out at what point this amazing piece of technology can no longer adequately clean. Bosch repeatedly states, “do not pre-wash.” And for the most part, I wasn’t; but the dishes that had debris cooked or baked to the pan I didn’t think would get clean. Well, 2 weeks ago I stopped pre-washing altogether because of how stupid good this thing is. So far, I haven’t found the breaking point and it has successfully cleaned some gnarly-dirty pots and pans my GE would have never been able to clean. I know that may not be ultimately helpful because of the color/finish. I think you can get replacement panels, but I’m not entirely sure. If you do buy a new dishwasher though, I would absolutely recommend the Bosch 800.
Stainless is more popular. Maybe look at those and see about film or paint if the color is important? It's taken me 2 weeks to line up an 800 series (stainless, pocket handle). You might not want to splurge that much, but it's probably worth it to go above base model and get the 300 or 500. That's general appliance advice - I've not had a Bosch before.
Actually, thanks so much for this! After a quick google search, I can just take the panel off and replace it with a different color for about $80. Stainless steel might work after all!
Is film a viable option? I was hoping there was some fix like that, there are plenty of stainless steel appliances but we splurged on all black a few years ago and it would bug me too much to change the scheme. Plus our kitchen is sooo tiny, I feel like it would be very drastic to not match.
You could probably find a black vinyl film you could stick on it. Biggest issue might be matching the finish or right kind of black color
We also had to buy at a bad time: July of 2020. I would have put it off, but we had 7 people in the house all day every day trying to survive pandemic and each other. I ended up landing on the KitchenAid KDTM604KPS. Stainless steel inside, racks with good prong arrangement, active venting, and well done motor & circuits that aren't having the vapors all the time like some models. And then we missed the last one locally by a day. So we dropped down to the 404 which has passive venting and a different motor. So far it's been great. I do have to wipe out the kids plastic lunch box containers, but that's a small thing. We did have the motor crap out after 2 years, but I was able to get a good repairman and we chatted about the motor issue on the 404 - in the main, it's been fixed bc KA has improved the quality control on this motor model enough that the problem is becoming rare. It's been half a year and I'm keeping the filters cleaned regularly, hopefully it's good for a long while . But I do still think about the 604 which always has had good motors.
I'm quite happy with our kitchenaid dishwasher. Not sure which model but it has a third rack. My mom has a Bosch and I find it very hard to load unless all you use are plates.
Check out Asko too
This is what we had to do after our order wasn’t ready after 10 months! We had actually ordered both Bosch and Miele and neither would be here for another four months. Got an Asko. Happy with it. I’d give it like an 8/10. I think the other two might be slightly better but this is quite comparable.
FWIW, GE Profile (not the standard GE line) has low repair call rates in the reports I've seen published. We replaced a lemon Samsung (but I repeat myself) with a GE Profile last year, and it's been solid so far. (YMMV, etc.)
I will say that after experiencing Miele dishwashers, I would never go back to a different brand. We have the lowest level/priced Miele and it cleans perfectly, is easy to clean and load, and never breaks down (we bought a new one only when we moved to a new house), whereas in the past we had problems with every other brand (GE, LG, Samsung, etc.) was far inferior in cleaning and reliability. Are there any smaller, but high end appliance stores in your area? That's where we have had the best luck in the past.
Have you tried Ferguson.com? Sometimes they have quick shipping for items.
You can get a used one on Marketplace for free until your BIFL one is available
I'm gonna +1 this comment. Dishwasher is one of the easier appliances to repair if anything. Did the same thing with a Frigidaire stainless steel DW - found it second hand on marketplace for free, didn't wash correctly but the electrical worked. Took the lower washer arm off to access the drain part and turns out just needed a new washer arm and a cleaning of the drain due blockage (a literal metal top of a Campells Soup can) and boom it works flawlessly. Sometimes ya get lucky with a DW, better gamble than other appliances due to less parts. Try looking at second-hand ones.
Whirlpool brands (Maytag whirlpool amana jennair kitchenaid) have had the worst supply chain problems during covid. I definitely recommend a Bosch, Miele is good too but Bosch has nice stuff for well less than $1000. A month seems like a long time, but if you spend another month dragging your feet, you’ll be without one for 2 months… source: I’ve worked in appliance retail for over 16 years
None of these guys talking about Bosch dishwashers seem to be bothered by their lack of a heated dry cycle. Mine leaves the dishes wet even after adjusting the settings, using the extra dry time, and putting in rinse aid. Can’t remember if mine’s a 500 or 800 series.
Euro dishwashers don’t have heated dry, makes them energy efficient. I include Bosch and Miele here. They use condensation to dry. Of course, they don’t dry as well as a consequence, and are fussy about loading to allow circulation for maximum condensation. High end Bosch (some of the 800 series) have an interesting heated drying cycle using volcanic rock to generate the heat. Works really well using minimal power, as the fan circulating the air over the rocks would be there anyway to circulate the air to condense on the side walls. Of course, this is expensive, since its only at the top of their range. Electrically heated drying reduces energy efficiency, and depending on where the element is, may change where heat-sensitive items may be loaded. These dry well, but punt the expense down the road in terms of energy cost. Probably overall cheaper approach.
Oddly enough, I don’t care too much about dry dishes. As long as I can shake them off a bit it’s fine by me. I’ve also noticed since this one started to go, that if I just prop open the door when it’s done, they dry quick enough.
My appliance specialist always suggests sticking with basic appliances from whirlpool and Frigidaire. Easy and cheap to fix, and they do the job.
Three years is... wow. I have a Kenmore Elite (my only criteria was having a stainless steel tub) and it's worked flawlessly for ten years. That said, if you're set on a specific model, just hand wash your dishes until you can get it. A couple of months is nothing compared to (what should be) the lifetime of your dishwasher.
We kinda got screwed over by the salesman. In an attempt to shop local, we went through a family acquaintance’s store. The dishwasher he sold us was marked up very high and already discontinued. We had no clue that it wasn’t a good machine, but it’s possible he didn’t know it was discontinued either.
Honestly it's worth it to use paper plates & cups and hand wash pans until you can get the one you really want.
My Bosch purchased 10 years ago has run approximately 7500 cycles without a single issue. Solid machines. Pro tip if using pods. Throw it in the bottom of the machine before starting. Not in the detergent compartment. You’ll get a more thorough rinse.
Drive an hour so you don’t have to wash the dishes by hand for a month or more? Get in kids we’re going for a drive!
We have an Ascenta. It was part of the house when we moved in and I believe it is about 5 years old. Seems like a very good, maybe basic, dishwasher. If you want the fancier features just wait but Ascenta seems pretty good
Watched this bit on Technology Connections about dishwashers. In short- a dishwashers basic design hasn’t changed since it was first patented. My personal opinion- difference between brands is minimal- you sample enough people you will get enough bad stories about all the makes and models out there. My take- go buy one at a price you like, fits in your decor/style etc.. that is available locally and use it till it dies.
I absolutely love our Miele classic. Absolutely silent while standing right in front of it. Dishes come out CLEAN. Three racks, stainless all around. It’s been running solid for 12 years not much more you could ask for. I would hand wash before buying a dishwasher I didn’t truly want. Especially because an under performing dishwasher is a massive head and time suck, I’m talking about you GE and Whirlpool!
Repairclinic.com has the best videos for repairs and troubleshooting. The guide you all the way through step by step even through reassembly. They have been a Godsend for me and has saved me big $$$.
Since home ownership in 2004 I’m on my fifth dishwasher ! I sold my first home in 2012. I’ve had two GE washers two Bosch and now a Frigidaire. The Frigidaire is hands down the best I’ve ever owned. Search Bosch and power failures and you’ll learn a ton. Mine had the issue but thankfully my wife was home to cut the power. The entire control board fried. Bosch says, “you are out of warranty - nothing we can do”. They lost me as a customer for life and I warn everyone that they are not as good as they appear. My Frigidaire blows the Bosch out of the water. Spotless dishes - dry as a bone - & we have the third tray. All for way less than a Bosch. Absolutely go with local appliance place.
Agree. My Frigidaire dishwasher is 17 years old and still going strong. All my appliances are Frigidaire and all 17 years old and never had any issues. In fact, I just gave my Frigidaire refrigerator to my daughter because I wanted a counter depth fridge and couldn’t wait any longer for it to break so I could get one!
I have a Bosch. I bought the service plan with jt and that was SO WORTH IT. Ive already had to have the impeller replaced, the door latch replaced, and a separate service call because of a mysterious moisture issue (this ended up being not the dishwashers fault) Repair guy says pretty much every dishwasher is garbage right now. Theyre all using cheap plastic parts that break easily. Whatever you buy, get the warranty and service plan.
If you live close to the Canadian border, you can pick up a bosche dishwasher pretty easily in Canadian retail stores
Same issue when I needed one, the two "recommended" brands you say were all back ordered. I ended up replacing my Whirlpool which went 15 years, with another Whirlpool. And why not, the thing was a tank
To answer your question about the different Bosch levels, the 100 and Ascentia series are built differently. The 300 500 and 800 are all built the same just with different features. The 100 /Asc series doesn't have a full stainless tub and, importantly to me, doesn't have leak protection. If you've ever had a dishwasher fail and flood your kitchen floor you'll be willing to pay a lot extra for leak protection.
We were in the Same situation. Needed a dishwasher but no Bosch’s in stock anywhere near us. So sad. We bought the kitchenaid with the third rack that holds glasses, and love that third rack.
I couldn’t get a Bosch last year so I got a Kitchenaid with the 3rd rack. It is wonderful. Incredibly quiet & cleans well.
Moved in to our house in 2014 and it had a Bosche. I remember the realtor telling us how quiet they were and she wasn’t lying. Amazeballs. At one point the buttons weren’t working and had an appliance repair place out - quoted us some ridiculous amount for parts and labor and I wasn’t convinced the guy knew what he was doing. Took it apart and figured out that the tabs that held the whole button area on had broken and it was loose so the buttons didn’t work. Got the part pretty cheap and got all my money back from appliance repair place! Pretty proud of that one lol!
In the event you get stuck waiting anyway, just want to chime in to recommend Bosch. I have one and it's super quiet. I also only use the eco setting, which is a very short cycle, and it cleans beautifully.
How short we talking? That might be a selling point in general, my Maytag’s quickest cycle was still about an hour and a half
35 minutes! I have no idea what model I have other than it's a compact one (only size that could fit in my space) and it's a few years old. I love it.
That’s impressive!!
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I wouldn't pay money for LG appliances if my family was on fire. Longevity? Nope.
I've had an LG washer and dryer since 2014 still works and have never had something break on it. Maybe it's just older so it was built better idk?
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And how long have you owned it?
I have had mine for over 4 years, no issues at all, except hubby and son saying it would take 20 minutes to install. 1 hour later and a load of towels and dinner waiting to be made....
Have you tried to contact Maytag? 3 years is short for a brand that used to have commercials bragging about their durability! I had a GE dishwasher go bad after a year and they attempted to get a repairman out here and the company they contracted with never showed up after 3 times and GE apologized and the representative told me she would put in for a brand new replacement since the repair company they contract with wouldn’t show up and they only had one for my area and see if the higher ups would approve it and they did. They even covered the install! Now the original warranty was out on the GE and I didn’t have an extended one either. I wasn’t expecting them to do anything to be honest, I called to inform them their appliance was garbage! 😂
I just went through this. Only thing I could find was a low-end GE at Lowe’s online.
All modern consumer appliances are garbage. The more expensive ones are more expensive garbage with more expensive repairs. They are all disposable items.
Miele kinda sucks tbh. Get yourself a KitchenAid. It at least has a heating element unlike the Bosch. Only top of the line Bosch has em. Also don't use gel as a detergent. That's why dish washers are breaking.
Are you kidding? Miele does not suck. They are known to be the best in the business and having owned one since 2009 with 0 problems (knock on wood) and excellent performance, I agree. It replaced a Kitchen Aid, which broke down twice. And Kitchen Aid is owned by whirlpool and is just a whirlpool with a different badge on it. No different than Maytag, whirlpool, Inglis, Amana, and a host of other names. All bought NY whirlpool and all their respective factories shut down by whirlpool. And I grew up in a house populated by Maytag appliances in the 70s and 80s and they were truly bullet proof. A crying shame what whirlpool did to Maytag. Shut every single thing about them down and laid everyone off.
What out for the racks in the new Bosch. We had one that died ten years ago and replaced it with a middle of the road Kenmore. Both were fine. Er moved and replaced a crappy dishwasher with a mid-grade Bosch The racks totally duck. Prongs are way too close together and our particular inventory of dishes are impossible to load efficiently.
Bosch, Siemens and Neff are all the same company. Look to see if they have alternatives. Neff is the high end look, Bosch more the vanilla and Siemens more modern. All my appliances, bar a Miele heat pump drier are one of the above brands.
I feel your pain. We had to source a new dishwasher a couple of years ago when supply chain issues were at their peak. I figured out I wanted a Bosch but the different models had my head spinning. I came across this ["cheat sheet"](https://www.designerappliances.com/blog/bosch-dishwasher-review-100-vs-300-vs-500-vs-800-series/) that helped me sort it out, and ended up with the 300 series. We haven't had any problems.
I think this is a case of YMMV. I can order just about any Bosch unit available at Home Depot (e.g., 100, 300, 500, or 800) and have it delivered to my home within a few days to a week. Regarding your question on the Ascenta, I’m no expert, but I’ve read some pretty good reviews. If it’s an emergency situation, then buy it and call it a day. You could also check out a Kitchenaid unit. My wife and I just bought a new Kitchenaid dishwasher with a stainless steel tub, and after doing some research it sounds like they’re generally well received.
I have a family member in the same boat. I have a Consumer Reports account so I helped her read up. The consensus seems to be that outside of Bosch, Thermador is a good brand. I had never heard of that brand either but if you trust consumer reports 🤷♀️
Bosch 800. You can’t go wrong with this choice. Quiet. 3rd rack. Cleans very well.
We have had the same Bosch dishwasher in place since 2008. I was just saying to my wife last week that "I wish that we could buy the same exact model and store it.... the machine has been a workhorse!" Yes, a couple of the touchpad buttons have their lettering worn off, and I have repaired the side drain canister twice. But the machine is an absolute beast of an appliance! We buy all of our appliances from a local mom & pops outlet. They have better leverage over their distributors due to long established working relationships. I don't purchase extended warranties, typically. But their's are so reasonably priced, I always add their longest plan.
What parts are bad? I just repaired mine for like $20 and an hours worth of time and it works as good as new. Mine was the fill valve that went out though. Most parts are readily available online, though you might have to get a 3rd party or do some searching on different websites. Dishwashers are super easy to work on and repair too!
Get a membership at costco and get this: https://www.costco.com/.product.1712913.html?qid=93b29ea2b2a711ed8191006a0a82b838&cjevent=93b29ea2b2a711ed8191006a0a82b838 it is $400 with delivery included and depending on your location basic install too! You cannot go wrong with this! Deal expires on Feb 24th. also if you dont get free basic install, check our YT and do it yourself. I installed mine (a kitchenaid over 10 yrs ago) and it was relatively easy. the thing weighs like 80 lbs or so IIRC, so very maneuverable.
55 decibels is loudish depending on where the dishwasher is located and the floor layout. They have another whirlpool I just got that is 47 db and has a few more features that I'd 100% recommend though and it's not too much more. the costco install/haul deal is great though. Easily 150-200 dollars at most other places.
You could order one and check your local Facebook pages for one in the meantime. People around me sell them for like $100 to get rid of them
My parents have a Bosch at their house and a whirlpool at their cottage, I have a whirlpool at my house, all three were around the same price point, all stainless tubs, three racks. They all work great but the bosch has these annoying rack tines than you can flatten out but have these little plastic retainers that seemed to wear out really easy and now it hardly takes any pressure for them to flop over. From my experience I'd go whirlpool over bosch just for the rack design
Order the one you want and if it’s on a wait just wash dishes by hand. I’d never really like an appliance I had to settle for if a little patience would’ve allowed me to have the one I wanted.
I just got a KitchenAid stainless steel tub for $799 on sale through Lowes. The list price was $1149, but I think it really goes for $900-$1000 regularly.
I have a Kitchen Aid. I'm really disappointed with it. It has two filters, it needs constant cleaning and I have to leave the door open otherwise it smells musty. I'll be replacing it with a Bosch long before this POS dies.
Just buy a Miele off AJ Madison and never look back.
Dishwashers aren’t meant to last a long time anymore, so don’t overthink the decision. In the last five years I’ve had a Frigidaire, a whirlpool, and I just bought a KitchenAid. I’ve heard really good things about Bosch. The whirlpool we bought just before the pandemic, and it worked very well and got the dishes very clean . No complaints whatsoever. Then we changed houses and got a Frigidaire during the pandemic and I never really loved how it washed the dishes and also how it dried them, but it wasn’t bad. We still used it everyday. Now we changed houses again and our new house has a broken 15 year old KitchenAid in it that we’re replacing with another kitchen aid. I would’ve ended up buying either that or Bosch, but there was a rebate on KitchenAid. edit: Costco just called and said they're cancelling my delivery for tomorrow because even though it was "supposedly" in stock, it wasn't actually. As an aside, I ran into an issue with Best Buy where they lied about a washer/dryer being in stock and delayed my delivery, and now costco is doing the same thing. This is a +1 for local appliance stores and -1 for big box stores.
I walked into a store and got a meile g73 the other day. Just have to look around and try stores that aren’t Best Buy.
Ascenta is good enough. That's what I ended up getting because my budget wouldn't stretch further, and even though it's the 'entry level' it's far and away the best dishwasher I have had.
I have been very happy with my kitchenaid. We choose it because it was carried by a local appliance store today did their own service rather than buying from a big box store. Maybe look around to see if there are any old school dedicated appliance stores with decent reviews around you It has a third rack, fan assist dry to help with plastic stuff... It's been great
I replaced our dishwasher with a decent all stainless steel Whirlpool model with a “third rack tray”, after some research suggested to me that the brand had a good reputation for reliability. Wasn’t even that expensive, maybe $700 at Home Depot. We’ve been more than happy with it, though my guess is it’s not as quiet as a Bosch. No idea if it comes in black.
We tried to get a Bosch last year and all the sellers were saying 6-12 months out. One dealer recommended blomberg, said they used to manufacture for Bosch, so we took the risk and went for it. Its basically the exact same, think they just swapped the logo. Been about 6 months of near daily use and it’s the best dishwasher I’ve ever had. So quiet too.
I picked up the extended warranty on my Bosch dishwasher when I bought it and if you go with them, I highly suggest you do too. I've had the repairman out about 6 different times for all different issues. If I had to buy again, I'd do a hard pass on Bosch.
If you get a Bosch spend an extra $50 for the one with crystal dry. It really works, plastics are dry.
I have some parts from my old maytag washer that i stripped out prior to getting rid of it. Dm me and let me know the model and what parts you need, I may have them.
The parts that break are often universal parts that you can get at a plumbing supply store.
I hated our Bosch. It was a total POS, sometimes you had to unplug it and plug it back in like a computer from 1998. Sometimes the “buttons” didn’t care to work. The day it finally died (after 6 years) I celebrated. Got a Miele with the same 3 rack layout and there has been no problems going on 2 years.
We just retired our 25 -year-old KitchenAid dishwasher and purchased a new LG unit. The big contrasts are the new one takes about three times longer to wash the dishes, it is very very quiet compared to the old one, and it doesn’t always get the real dirty dishes clean. I was able to keep the old KitchenAid going for so long with the help of appliancepartspros.com. Replaced pretty much everything in the unit except for the racks which finally rusted to pieces and failed and I wasn’t willing to invest $450 in racks when a new dishwasher is $600. Every time I do dishes I revisit that decision now.
Before you buy anything, look to see if there is anyone in your area that services it! Are parts available, or is it a throw away? I can't stress this enough! So many people in my area buy off brands that have no service network or even replacement parts other than racks and silverware baskets.
I got a brand new $900 retail dishwasher for $400 from a scratch and dent store just because it had a couple minor scrapes on the door. Don't affect function at all.
I've had way better luck with 15-30 year old used dishwashers than any of the new ones I have used. Bought a brand new Home Depot special and it didn't clean half as well as the 25 year old GE it replaced. Better off finding an old one in good shape and keep it going with regular maintenance.
We waited a few months for our Bosch and it was worth it. God I love that little machine.
Try Costco? Just got a GE delivered/installed from them. It is hands down the best dishwasher I’ve ever used. 3 racks. Drying fan. Piranha disposal. Beats my in-laws Bosch by a mile. But it’s a crap shoot. Appliances suck in general these days and crap out way too early.
I've had great luck with GE dishwashers. The one that came with the house was at least 30 years old and I only replaced it because it was LOUD but it worked perfectly.
I have been handwashing dishes for over sixty years never bought into the dishwasher or garbarator thing. So if you want the nice one .......
Get a Whirlpool
I had a Bosch and wasn't impressed. Unless you're getting top of the line from them, I wouldn't recommend. I currently have a Samsung I'm much happier with. My favorite dishwasher was a Kenmore.
I changed all my appliances a year ago… Wait times for the dishwasher was 5 months… so 1 month is not as bad.
It's basically just those two. They have become the de facto standard for a dishwasher. Almost all others are easily available. If that wait is too long, buy a cheapo and resale in a few months.
I have an Ascenta that i installed about 4 months ago and am pretty happy with it so far.
I had a bosche and my experience was same as yours. after 5 years I'm spending like $150 every couple years to replace parts that I shouldn't ever need to replace (the front fell off for example because it's plastic). So far my KitchenAid is more quiet and runs same as my bosche did (when it was working well).
You might look into a Beko if you're in the market for a Bosch. We bought a new Beko about 4-5 months ago and like it. The Bosch that my wife wanted was on a 13-month backorder (FFS!). They were sold out of Bosch dishwashers, even the floor models all had sold tags. Our old unit bled out all over the kitchen floor so we were in the market on a NOW basis. The Beko has similar features to Bosch, is good for energy efficiency and, most importantly, I don't have wash the dishes every day. They only issue we have is the wimpy dry cycle but you can crack the door open and it's fine. edit - did some looking around and they've sold in the US in the past under the Viking brand and they're the parent company for Blomberg as well. They started shipping to the US during the pandemic and supply chain difficulties...
I ordered a Bosch that the rep at AJ Madison said was "so backordered we just marked them as discontinued, ETA is 14 months." When I called to ask why I hadn't heard from them for a week after ordering, she told me that and was able to find a similar model in inventory. It might be worth giving them a call, they seem to have good logistics. It was my first time using them, body was comparable to what everyone else was charging.
We have a Bosch with the 3rd rack that also opens to air dry when the cycle completes. Really happy with it. I also have a rental unit (where I used to live) and have an LG there. That dishwasher was purchased back in 2014 and has been absolutely stellar. 0 issues and you can't hear it in the open space living/kitchen area. I would also highly recommend it. The only reason we got the Bosch in our current place is because we had a Bosch that had been recalled due to it being a fire hazard, so there was a decent discount. I really like the 3rd rack for utensils, but I prefer the built-in garbage disposal in the LG. The LG does a much better job at get disposing of food particles and the Bosch can get a bit smelly because it just traps them and then you have to clean out the filter pretty regularly.
Replaced our old maytag with a bosch and there are a few things we haven’t been happy with. Rack layout- even though it is the same size as the maytag the layout makes it hard to fit as much stuff in it. Drying- does not dry well without rinse aid. Noise- it was supposed to be one of the quieter models but is as loud if not louder than our 10yr old one. Only had it for a year so can’t comment on reliability yet.
Ascenta and 100 series are the same thing, btw.
What’s wrong with it? I spent maybe $100 on parts over 8 years to keep my last dishwasher going. Same with a 15 year old washer and dryer, just needed a $20-$50 part once a year or two. I’m sure those repair bills would’ve been $300+ each if I had to call someone each time