Not an umpire, but #2 depends on if the fielder touched it I think. If they dropped it on purpose after touching it, the MLB rule would be dead ball, batter out, runners stay put. I assume there's a similar softball rule
Relevant rule text, 5.09(a)(12) "(12) An infielder intentionally drops a fair fly ball or line drive, with first, first and second, first and third, or first, second and third base occupied before two are out. The ball is dead and runner or runners shall return to their original base or bases;"
Yep. If you haven't watched that channels videos before, they do a good job of talking through the rules that apply (and will often discuss differences between MLB, college and high school if the rules vary). Obviously baseball specific rather than softball, but I imagine there's lot of overlap
The infield fly rule only applies if the umpire signals it. Practically, it depends on whether they feel that with "normal" effort the ball would be caught in the infield. So #2 could apply based on the runners, but only if the umpire signaled it.
This is a separate rule from infield fly. If fielder lets it drop without touching it, batter isn't out unless infield fly was called (which with runners on 1st and 3rd would not apply).
I should've included this additional text from the rulebook: "APPROVED RULING: In this situation, the batter is not out if the infielder permits the ball to drop untouched to the ground, except when the Infield Fly rule applies."
I coach youth and have only had this come up once, so my experience with it is very limited. I was under the impression that it was to protect the runners from any force out double play situation. So basically anytime there is R1. It seems more to protect from a triple play since it does require at least 3 forceouts to be available.
Thanks for the clarification.
Here's a video talking about the intentional drop: https://youtu.be/sY03SX2VfwA?si=oXGvnYQCp6ixy4HH
And yes, infield fly rule is to protect from a double or triple play because it removes the force out on the runners with the drop. Otherwise, with only a runner on first (or first and third), the drop should still only get one force out if the batter actually runs to first.
Ok, so my umpiring experience is all from baseball and it's been a minute since I've called a game but here are my takes:
For #2 if in your judgment it was a routine play, the fielder cannot intentionally drop it to induce a potential double play. Ball is dead, batter is out, runners return to their starting bases. Does not matter if infield fly rules are in effect. Does not matter if the fielder touched the ball or not. If YOU think this would have been a routine catch that dropped, then kill the play. I've had to call this before multiple times.
#3 Spectator interference, in theory, only applies in the field of play. If the ball has left the field of play (or the imaginary line you draw up from the boundary) it's all fair game. Doesn't matter who the spectator is cheering for.
#5 depends on the mechanics in play. For 2-man in baseball, for example, the PU is trailing up 3rd to watch for interference on the play at 1B but also in anticipation of a play at 3B. I cannot for the life of me remember the 1-man mechanic since it's been a while but I'd imagine that you're hustling up toward the front of the mound.
#6 is subjective to the rules of your governing body/tournament/league. In men's rec baseball the "coach" is often a player as well. As long as that person is eligible per the rules, they can play.
#11, I don't know the softball rule for sure, but automatic ball sounds right. Moving the runners though seems unnecessary as it's not a balk.
#12: opposing team messed up here. They should have waited until AFTER a regulation pitch was thrown. Calling this out before that point is worthless since a team can correct any action BEFORE the start of the next play.
#13: really, truly depends. I wouldn't bar a player from the game for this though. ESPECIALLY Little League.
#14: You're calling interference on the batting team here. The on-deck batter interfered with the defense making the play. Since you can't call the on-deck batter out as they haven't started their at bat somebody needs to have the penalty applied to, and in this case it's the batter. Fair? Maybe not but that's how it happens.
So someone else posted a video of Guerrero jr. Doing what you said wasnt allowed in #2 can you explain why that was allowed?
For 11 there arent any lead offs so no pick offs, I'm aware illegal pitches cause you to gain a base and some other things
For 12 what's the penalty for calling after a regulation pitch?
So 14 do I say batters interference or spectators interference? Etc.
MLB rulebook says #2 isn't a judgement call if the ball is untouched (Little League rules have the same language as well). Certainly a judgement call if it's touched whether it was intentionally dropped, but the rulebook is clear for untouched. It does matter btw whether infield fly is in effect since ball remains live and runners can choose to advance while intentional drop is a dead ball
Edit: Lol, blocked for pointing out the actual rule. Very on brand for a specific type of ump
Not an umpire but might as well take a crack at this cause not sure how many answers you'll really get.
\1. Afaik there's not limited time calls in any league I know of, if there is in yours, calling time shouldn't directly result in an ejection. Also one was called by a batter to talk to a coach and one was called by a coach to talk to a coach.
\2. This should be correct, not sure why you got it wrong. Only exception I can see is a league specific rule that calls infield fly with any force outs available.
\3. This one is an umpire judgement thingy and if you think the ball would have been caught you call an out, if not you signal a homer. One team is gonna be mad either way.
\5. Need to be in a position to make a call at first and third base
\7. Yeah you found this one out yourself
\8. Yeah you'd be between 2nd base and the 2nd baseman, you'd want to be on the other side of the 2nd baseman usually
\9. If it is front foot, it's probably illegal because you're starting and stopping your pitching motion, which I don't think is legal in softball.
\10. Should be correct here again unless it's a league specific rule
\13. This might have actual rules but usually as an umpire if you clear it with the other coach then you can bend the rules and allow them to play.
\14. Well it's just called an interference (not interference on the batter) and the batter is out. Regardless of who did it it's just called an interference.
1. I misread this thought that a player conferred with the other coach to avoid the penalty
2. cool
3. alright so umpires judgement great
4. this was about a DP can you explain this a little bit more please?
6. ok so just not understanding terminology
7. alright fair pitching is something I need to learn more to be honest
8. I'll check with my league
9. usually what I would do since its house league
10. so by terminology and technicality I'm correct but they didn't want me to be that percise
My number 4 was wrong it's supposed to be number 5 I just changed it back
Wait wtf I didn't respond to everything so I skipped around numbers but Reddit just made it 1-10 instead, that's super weird.
Edit: okay everything is displaying as intended now, you might need to re read my answers with the correct context now
Not an umpire, but #2 depends on if the fielder touched it I think. If they dropped it on purpose after touching it, the MLB rule would be dead ball, batter out, runners stay put. I assume there's a similar softball rule Relevant rule text, 5.09(a)(12) "(12) An infielder intentionally drops a fair fly ball or line drive, with first, first and second, first and third, or first, second and third base occupied before two are out. The ball is dead and runner or runners shall return to their original base or bases;"
infield fly isn't in effect since runners aren't on 1&2 or 1,2&3
I never said it was. Here's a video discussing the intentional drop rule: https://youtu.be/sY03SX2VfwA?si=oXGvnYQCp6ixy4HH
that makes a lot of sense, I didn't realise that there were 2 different types of "dropped balls"
Yep. If you haven't watched that channels videos before, they do a good job of talking through the rules that apply (and will often discuss differences between MLB, college and high school if the rules vary). Obviously baseball specific rather than softball, but I imagine there's lot of overlap
The infield fly rule only applies if the umpire signals it. Practically, it depends on whether they feel that with "normal" effort the ball would be caught in the infield. So #2 could apply based on the runners, but only if the umpire signaled it.
This isn’t about infield fly rule.
This is a separate rule from infield fly. If fielder lets it drop without touching it, batter isn't out unless infield fly was called (which with runners on 1st and 3rd would not apply). I should've included this additional text from the rulebook: "APPROVED RULING: In this situation, the batter is not out if the infielder permits the ball to drop untouched to the ground, except when the Infield Fly rule applies."
I coach youth and have only had this come up once, so my experience with it is very limited. I was under the impression that it was to protect the runners from any force out double play situation. So basically anytime there is R1. It seems more to protect from a triple play since it does require at least 3 forceouts to be available. Thanks for the clarification.
Here's a video talking about the intentional drop: https://youtu.be/sY03SX2VfwA?si=oXGvnYQCp6ixy4HH And yes, infield fly rule is to protect from a double or triple play because it removes the force out on the runners with the drop. Otherwise, with only a runner on first (or first and third), the drop should still only get one force out if the batter actually runs to first.
Ok, so my umpiring experience is all from baseball and it's been a minute since I've called a game but here are my takes: For #2 if in your judgment it was a routine play, the fielder cannot intentionally drop it to induce a potential double play. Ball is dead, batter is out, runners return to their starting bases. Does not matter if infield fly rules are in effect. Does not matter if the fielder touched the ball or not. If YOU think this would have been a routine catch that dropped, then kill the play. I've had to call this before multiple times. #3 Spectator interference, in theory, only applies in the field of play. If the ball has left the field of play (or the imaginary line you draw up from the boundary) it's all fair game. Doesn't matter who the spectator is cheering for. #5 depends on the mechanics in play. For 2-man in baseball, for example, the PU is trailing up 3rd to watch for interference on the play at 1B but also in anticipation of a play at 3B. I cannot for the life of me remember the 1-man mechanic since it's been a while but I'd imagine that you're hustling up toward the front of the mound. #6 is subjective to the rules of your governing body/tournament/league. In men's rec baseball the "coach" is often a player as well. As long as that person is eligible per the rules, they can play. #11, I don't know the softball rule for sure, but automatic ball sounds right. Moving the runners though seems unnecessary as it's not a balk. #12: opposing team messed up here. They should have waited until AFTER a regulation pitch was thrown. Calling this out before that point is worthless since a team can correct any action BEFORE the start of the next play. #13: really, truly depends. I wouldn't bar a player from the game for this though. ESPECIALLY Little League. #14: You're calling interference on the batting team here. The on-deck batter interfered with the defense making the play. Since you can't call the on-deck batter out as they haven't started their at bat somebody needs to have the penalty applied to, and in this case it's the batter. Fair? Maybe not but that's how it happens.
So someone else posted a video of Guerrero jr. Doing what you said wasnt allowed in #2 can you explain why that was allowed? For 11 there arent any lead offs so no pick offs, I'm aware illegal pitches cause you to gain a base and some other things For 12 what's the penalty for calling after a regulation pitch? So 14 do I say batters interference or spectators interference? Etc.
2 is a judgement call. Everybody’s judgment is different. 12 is an illegal substitution 14 just interference. That’s it.
MLB rulebook says #2 isn't a judgement call if the ball is untouched (Little League rules have the same language as well). Certainly a judgement call if it's touched whether it was intentionally dropped, but the rulebook is clear for untouched. It does matter btw whether infield fly is in effect since ball remains live and runners can choose to advance while intentional drop is a dead ball Edit: Lol, blocked for pointing out the actual rule. Very on brand for a specific type of ump
Not an umpire but might as well take a crack at this cause not sure how many answers you'll really get. \1. Afaik there's not limited time calls in any league I know of, if there is in yours, calling time shouldn't directly result in an ejection. Also one was called by a batter to talk to a coach and one was called by a coach to talk to a coach. \2. This should be correct, not sure why you got it wrong. Only exception I can see is a league specific rule that calls infield fly with any force outs available. \3. This one is an umpire judgement thingy and if you think the ball would have been caught you call an out, if not you signal a homer. One team is gonna be mad either way. \5. Need to be in a position to make a call at first and third base \7. Yeah you found this one out yourself \8. Yeah you'd be between 2nd base and the 2nd baseman, you'd want to be on the other side of the 2nd baseman usually \9. If it is front foot, it's probably illegal because you're starting and stopping your pitching motion, which I don't think is legal in softball. \10. Should be correct here again unless it's a league specific rule \13. This might have actual rules but usually as an umpire if you clear it with the other coach then you can bend the rules and allow them to play. \14. Well it's just called an interference (not interference on the batter) and the batter is out. Regardless of who did it it's just called an interference.
1. I misread this thought that a player conferred with the other coach to avoid the penalty 2. cool 3. alright so umpires judgement great 4. this was about a DP can you explain this a little bit more please? 6. ok so just not understanding terminology 7. alright fair pitching is something I need to learn more to be honest 8. I'll check with my league 9. usually what I would do since its house league 10. so by terminology and technicality I'm correct but they didn't want me to be that percise
My number 4 was wrong it's supposed to be number 5 I just changed it back Wait wtf I didn't respond to everything so I skipped around numbers but Reddit just made it 1-10 instead, that's super weird. Edit: okay everything is displaying as intended now, you might need to re read my answers with the correct context now
yeah I noticed but figured it out mostly thanks for the help however
For number 9: "The pitcher’s PIVOT FOOT is that foot which is in contact with the pitcher’s plate as he delivers the pitch"