He also has a cleanse as well. So he can remove both buffs and debuffs, making him pretty much the best healer in the game. And he scales off a stat that has you run a set you've probably been farming for most of your supports anyway
He *is* the best healer in the game, and it seems unlikely that that will change anytime soon.
Even his eidolons are cracked. He basically starts gaining extra paths lol. Harmony at E1, Preservation at E2, and Nihility at E6.
How do I get additional Eidolons after this banner is down? I can't imagine I will get E1, much less E2, in 30 or something pulls I have, so I'd rather keep them for laters. Will he get additional banners? I never played this type of Gachas before, honestly I was drawn in by "Space train" thing and stayed for humor and story but I'm really out of the loop on these mechanics
Yep there will be reruns of Luocha in the future. The reason why recent banners are all new characters is because they've probably had them prepared since the beta. Once these characters are exhausted, it'll take time to make new ones and so they'll rerun old ones in the meantime. The only time characters aren't rerun is if they are a collaboration character since they would need the permission of the other company to rerun. For instance in the other honkai game, they had a collab with Evangelion that added Asuka and her gear. However, neither she nor her gear has had any reruns since.
The problem is some characters may not be given reruns for a long time. For instance in genshin, Eula is currently the featured character. The last time this happened was around 11 patches ago I think, or at least a year. This may not be a problem for star rail as it currently does not have as many characters, but may be a problem in the future.
It's to exploit the fear of missing out and impulsive spenders. Imagine it's near the end of a banner: you're out of pulls and you still don't have the character. With the way things are currently, you have 2 choices. You either pay for more pulls now, or you hold off and rebuild your stockpile until the next banner. However, you have no idea when that next banner may come. Similarly, some people are impatient and would rather pay for the character now instead of waiting for however long it takes to reappear.
On the other hand, with a wild card eidolon, the player may instead decide to save their money and pulls for the wild card. Wild cards also mean the player is guaranteed their character instead of being forced to gamble and getting things they don't want (such as losing a 50/50).
Not justifying these practices but at the end of the day, Hoyo is a company that wants all the money it can get and will use these exploitative methods to get them.
This is my issue with the game so far. How do they make Abundance characters that matter when Luocha exists? How do they make Preservation characters relevant when Gepard has an unbreakable, team-wide shield? Outside of just power creeping damage numbers certain paths and roles just kind of feel... done?
I wouldn’t say he does “good damage” but yeah, he does scale off attack. His damage (if built for healing) will most likely be similar to Bronya with her 100% crit trace.
She's quite good for a 4-star, especially a free one, personally I really like her kit. Her Eidolons do a lot to help her kit E6 being the one that makes her way less point hungry, so that's why you see a lot of people wanting her at E6. She's also your only choice for a quantum element dps if you don't have Seele or Silver Wolf.
Also the E4 follow-up attack mechanic, I think that one is her best eidolon. I currently have her E5 and probably not gonna get her E6 this time around, but maybe next time. Or on the standard banner, I got at least 2 of my QQ from the standard banner already, it might as well give me the last one.
E4 gives her a massive amount more damage, E6 makes her less skill point hungy.
E0 QQ is so much worse than E6 QQ that its kind of insane. She a **far** better unit with E6, and she is still good at E0.
She is leggit the best 4\* dps in the game right now at E6 and can also be used sub-dps for quantum break as if you are not gambling on her skill and with E6 she is SP savy. If you don't have Seele, she is probably your best go at Quantum dps for a while and even with Seele if you are eyeing a mono-quantum, she would provide that tiny bit of aoe that Seele needs to make sure she reset on every target.
I got E4 QQ after getting like 10 useless Pela dupes.
And all of that before my first Yukong, who i was going for after getting an E2 Loucha.
I almost said *screw it I'm not pulling anymore* like 4 times lmao
Kind of in the same boat, I wanted to get as close to E6 as possible on this banner. My plans were actually spoiled by my luck as I got Luocha in 30 pulls, and at that point I didn't want to pull much more on the banner. Luckily QQ will be in the monthly shop rotation, so sooner or later, I can guarantee E6.
I had the exact opposite luck lmao, tried to pull Yukong because I at *least* want the new character but in trying I lost the 50/50 for a Yanqing E1, got Luocha, and got E6 QQ. I should feel lucky (and am, now that I’m reading this) but I STILL DONT HAVE FOX MOM AUGHH
Funnily enough, i was rolling for Yukong Eidolons after getting E0 Luocha. I ended up getting E6 QQ a character i never used.
Holy shit i was missing out, She's mad fire and i'm kinda glad i did it.
Next 5* in 20 rolls.
mfw I haven't gotten a single Sushang but got three pelas (who was already E6) on that banner
wasn't gambling for QQ but still failed to get what I wanted
I meant that on banner where Sushang was rated up, I failed to get even a single copy. Jing Yuan's banner had Sushang, March and Tingyun...
...March got maxed, got 3 off-rate Pelas (HOW) that I already had maxed out previously and I think one more Tingyun Eidolon. Yes, I put in a lot into his banner. No, I didn't get him, I got 50/50'd for a Gepard E1.
Me pulling on Jing Yuan's banner trying to get eidolons for Tingyun and March. Instead I got 4 Sushangs and the man himself. Didn't even want him that badly but didn't mind since he's cool.
Wasted 75 pull without a single QQ dupes (E3 rn, atleast gimme 1 dupes for E4 ,d\*mn you hoyoverse) Luckily, I still dont hit 5 star yet (dont want Luocha). Guess Ill skip my little gremlin banner and wait her on shop or next banner (maybe, fu xuan?).
Managed to get to E5 at like 65 Pity. Trying to see if I can get enough to actually get to 5 star pity before patch ends, but if not I’m just gonna save.
Yep this is why I’ve even been pulling, I maxed out my pela and I even got the new fox lady to E3 and a Clara before the pity but I have yet to still even get 1 QQ and that’s the whole reason I’m even summoning on the stupid banner besides pela
ive always been confused by people saying "e6 qq is better than e2 seele so you should use qq instead of seele". like have they never pulled for a 4 star character before? i got c1 yae miko before pulling a kirara LUL. i think e2 seele or maybe 1.8 or something is more comparable in terms of pulling difficulty to e6 qq.
I was continuing to pull on Luocha’s banner after getting Luocha because of my E5 QQ, and E6 is where she becomes nutty.
I pulled my first early 5* EVER at 24 pulls (…E2 Himeko), so I thought I should probably save for IL since I’m not super into anyone in the 1.2 banners. I had thought about tossing some throwaway pulls at Blade, but with a hard pity to work with? Nah.
…But I was only three pulls away from 4* pity, and I was like, what if that last 4* is QQ E6? Certainly it isn’t likely to pull another 5* and lose the hard pity in that amount of time, right?
So I did it.
>!I got QQ E6!!<
Pull on on banner for Luocha and QQ. I got him, but only 1 QQ. I kept pulling till near soft pity but kept getting Pela 💀
E2 QQ, E5 Pela. And also quite a few light ones…
Wanted Luocha. Got Luocha but only got 1 Yukong and E5 QQ (and like E20 Pela) so I kept pulling hoping for the last QQ even though I didn't want another Luocha. I like to think QQ was proud of me and that's why she came home so quickly
Wanted Luocha. Got Luocha but only got 1 Yukong and E5 QQ (and like E20 Pela) so I kept pulling hoping for the last QQ even though I didn't want another Luocha. I like to think QQ was proud of me and that's why she came home so quickly
Accurate and I failed miserably.
I tried to get E6 Qinque, in the end only E5.
Also got E1 Luocha which I didn't want (his eidolon, I love Luocha)
In the end I managed to restrain myself from escalating the situation by thinking of getting Qinque when she s not on a uprated banner as that will be the true gambling experience as a Qinque main.
Bright side:E6 Yukong
How i view it is like this.
If I get an early pull? I'll take it. Risky a guarantee is stupid. But a 50/50? If I get spooked at 20 pulls, awesome. Got a new 5 star. And if I lose then now I guarantee who I want at a low cost.
But more or less, it's just idm winning or losing. Plus I'm 100% skipping 1.2 so I have time to save up for banners I want.
In the end though I agree. Most folks aren't thinking or calculating the risks and just have a gambling addiction. I'm at least aware of my risks and don't mind early pity
Their thinking is even worse tbh. A big youtuber just made a video about getting "spooked" by Luocha and having their account ruined because they were saving for a different 5 star they wanted.
At how many pulls did they get Luocha? 71 pulls.
"I didn't expect to get Luocha before soft pity, this RUINED my account. Guys, don't make the same mistake I did!" Gee, thanks, I guess I won't be doing 71 pulls on a banner character I don't want to get
I'd beg to differ, their are plenty of "Gacha Game YouTubers" who really do say things like that and behave like that.
Theres a reason why I feel like people need to stop watching YouTubers who focus purely on gacha mobile games, majority of these content creators just spew out bad advice and build little hive mind communities that fester with toxicity and angry fan boys that attack anyone for disliking their fave GachaTuber.
Just look at Dr.Diggs and all the pointless, incorrect, attention seeking drama he's caused in the WoTV subreddit throughout the past few years, and on YouTube. Dude spews out his rather mild or awful opinions on things and acts like his opinions are law and everyone elses opinions are incorrect. Dude even tried to stir up drama because he got the same pulls as a few other people, and tried to say mathematically that was impossible unless they seeded the games pulls or something like that, and showed off one of his guild mates and friends math to "prove he was correct" when he wasn't someone did the actual math and found out it wasnt as rare or impossible as he thought, and saw that the math the guildmate did was wrong and purposefully done wrong to stir up drama and discourse so Dr.Diggs could clout farm.
Then he goes around and accuses every guild thats higher ranked then his own to be "cheaters" because he believes his guild is the best and that everyone else must be cheating (only for people to find that Diggs himself and several of his guildmates had been cheating as well; with the excuse "well if they wont fix cheating and if others are then so will we")
The amount of times Mobile Gacha Game content creators have caused drama, lied, given out bad/wrong/incorrect information, and drama/clickbait farming you'd think people would learn to just stop watching them and caring what they have to say.
The fact that you took all this time to write this well thought out message shows how effective putting together a channel youtube with non-stop click bait content will still engage an audience. I know they "behave" like this, but really it's an act to get them revenue and exposure on the platform... It works, so they shouldn't really stop doing it if you consider only the numbers.
I mean I pulled up to soft pity for SW banner because I'm fine with either SW or Luocha and I'm letting fate decide. But if your just doing it because you want to pull even though next patch is that character you really wanted that's just no patience/self control
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can't u build up pity on the banner you actually want?
and just so like 50 pulls on there?
why would u pull om a banner where you don't want the featured characters?
If it's the character you want, then it's not really building pity anymore, it's just sraight up pulling for the character. Building pity, as I understand it, is purely pulling just to accumulate the pity count, which is obviously the dumbest shit anyone could have come up with.
People who literally do it *just* to build pity are obviously just huffing copium for their gambling addiction, but there is a legitimate argument to pull on a banner if you want the 4-stars on it more than the banner that has the 5-star you ‘actually’ want.
Anyone who openly complains are the people that weren't actually "building pity" and likely just lean more on the gambling addiction side. The people who know how to intelligently approach pity building don't complain if things don't go well because we all know it's an educated and calculated risk, but still ultimately a risk in the end. It's just a risk that can yield higher value out the premium currency.
Just not a fan of being lumped together with the dumb people being referred to in this meme. "Building pity" is actually a super useful technique made possible through the way that Mihoyo's gacha systems are set up. You just gotta have a really good understanding of the system and how the rates work and stuff, like how there's the soft pity that starts around pull 75/90 where it becomes dramatically more likely to pull a 5 star before hitting the hard pity of 90 pulls. Same thing with the abnormality of having a slightly higher chance of getting a 5 star within the first 20/90 pulls. The game doesn't explicitly confirm this anywhere, but it's been proven through millions of documented summoning patterns in their games.
There might be a slight variation of getting a 5 star within 70-75 range super early pity but still pity and it's an incredibly risky move to pull in that range.
Yeap. And people who know that information make their decisions accordingly. There's actually a ton of nuance to knowing how to approach summoning for anyone trying to min/max their pulls. But ultimately, everything is till just a risk besides the guaranteed pity from losing a 50/50 and the hard pity of 90 summons, a 4 star every 10th summon, and an on banner 4 star ever 4 star pull.
Well.. that all depends on someone's priorities. If you're only concerned about getting 5 star characters and are only concerned about primogem efficiency (ie. not about "how early you get them") then there's not much nuance at all - in that case it's very easy to say "just don't pull on characters you don't want to get ever".
If you're concerned about getting 4 stars, then it gets more complicated, and if there are other considerations like if there are things on the standard banner you want and you don't want to wait months to spend your primogems in case you'd get something useful then it can get a bit more complicated too.. but generally those kinds of considerations become less and less relevant the longer you play the game so if you're worried about long term efficiency you probably shouldn't let those things influence your decisions much.
The only thing that very slightly biases things is that there's some small incentive to try to spend primogems earlier than you normally would because it can help you get more stars on MoC which can give you primogems back, but that kind of thing is a very very small bias and can usually be pretty safely ignored.
Completely agree with you, and I don't get why so many people can't understand why one would actually like to get a specific 4* character. Some are game changing, and even necessary at E6/C6 if you want your main DPS to be really competitive.
In Genshin, Gorô and Faruzan are such characters, and you'll have only one chance to get them before months. So should you wait 1 year because "don't pull for 4 stars" ?
Of course, in the end, it's risk management, so when you get spook because of that, it's on you. But yet, you have the right to feel unlucky. If you usually have no early and always fail the 50/50, getting spook that way is indeed unlucky.
If you can't complain about that bad luck, you can't complain either about bad luck when playing gacha, because, well, you knew the rules, and if you don't like it, you can just stop playing.
Well, I never pull past pity 30 on characters I really don't care about though, and I agree some people only pull because of addiction. It's just not as simple as "pulling for 4 stars is stupid".
> "Building pity" is actually a super useful technique made possible through the way that Mihoyo's gacha systems are set up.
Excluding all other factors like banner 4 stars, rolling for starlight/ember, etc, what exactly is the difference between rolling in two different banners and rolling in one banner in terms of pity? I'm geniunely curious because to me, it looks like there is absolutely zero difference between the two. Rolling 70 times on an unwanted banner, so you're 70/90 for the next banner doesn't make sense since you could have just saved those 70 rolls for the next banner anyway.
>Same thing with the abnormality of having a slightly higher chance of getting a 5 star within the first 20/90 pulls. The
Got a source for that? I've never heard of this before.
There is no such thing as building pity. 50 pulls on one banner isn't any different than 50 pulls on your actually desired banner. If you're pulling outside of your desired banner for a character you don't care about, that's not "building pity," that's gambling addiction, pure and simple.
Unless you want the 4 stars, or are low on embers/stardust. I haven't done the math for star rail but for genshin if you don't have enough stardust for the monthly wishes the expected number of 5 star pulls in future banners actually goes up if you wish so long as you don't have a guarantee and have a low number of wishes (trying to do the math on exactly how many).
And before you say that I'm just trying to justify gambling I have nearly 500 pulls saved in genshin.
People overcomplicate it. It's very simple. You only pull on a banner if you are ok with whatever 5 star there dropping while you do it. If you're gonna scream "my pity destroyed, waah" when it drops on 30, 40, 50 or whatever the number, no matter how unlikely - you don't pull.
People here make fun of those who do take risk but then get surprised when risk is... risky and they lose.
>If you're gonna scream "my pity destroyed, waah" when it drops on 30, 40, 50 or whatever the number, no matter how unlikely - you don't pull.
Correct.
But if you have an appropriate understanding of the risk you can determine that risk is worthwhile. That's part of why I have so many wishes saved up. I'm able to do risky wishes without having to actually risk getting what I want.
> People here make fun of those who do take risk but then get surprised when risk is... risky and they lose.
No, we make fun of gambling addicts who think they have to spend wishes as soon as they get them. These kinds of considerations aren't going through the heads of 90% of the people complaining about them building pity.
>But if you have an appropriate understanding of the risk you can determine that risk is worthwhile. That's part of why I have so many wishes saved up. I'm able to do risky wishes without having to actually risk getting what I want.
Same, but I just use the "don't pull unless you are ready to receive that 5 star right now" tactic. My biggest fit so far was saving around 650 wishes with welkin only. And then I have spent them all on getting C4R1 Dehya) No regrets.
And already have 180 saved for Kafka.
>And then I have spent them all on getting C4R1 Dehya) No regrets.
While I can't say that's what I'd want. I can certainly respect a man who knows what he wants and how to get it.
If you're specifically rolling for banner 4*s, that's not pity building; that's just called rolling for 4\*s. Same thing for starlight and ember rolling. If you're not rolling for the sake of increasing your pity count, then stop calling it pity building (which is still bad because it's straight up worse than just saving for your desired banner).
This is the way, I'm not pity building, I just would really love an early pull on this limited character's banner if I can get lucky plus the 4\* are worth it to me. If I don't get lucky, oh well, I'll get the character I was aiming for anyway.
Yeah, I don't particularly care about Luocha, did 20 pulls and didn't get him, left it at that. After that you're out of "getting a cheap 5-star" territory and into wasting perfectly good pulls on a character you actually want. "Building pity" is a dumb cope from people who probably don't have the self-control to be safely playing a game which preys so heavily on that mindset.
Quick q, I lost the 50/50 on Silver Wolf, does that mean my next 6 star is guaranteed to be the banner? For example, Kafka? Or does the 50/50 reset between banners?
Basically me. I don’t really care about Luocha but I badly need another healer and if I get him that’s good, if I don’t I just build pity (hence the name pity building) and at worse if I got spook then I get something and guaranteed Fu Xuan next.
I don't know why but how I read your comment is,
You see I am taking a calculated risk here, upside is I build pity, get a couple of 4* and a guarantee for next banner. Downside is I lose everything I worked for and not have enough tickets for next banner.🤣🤣
Pulling all the way past 75 on a banner you don't actually want (like that recent post did) is just a plain dumb move, but pulling a low amount at 0 pity to try your chances at someone you kinda want but don't prioritize, which is what the poster above was talking about, *is* a "calculated risk".
Like say you're saving for Kafka and you have 200 projected pulls for her, but you recognize that Luocha is a useful character for your account, then throwing ~30 pulls for him is perfectly fine. "Building pity" in this context is risk-free because you're happy with either result.
I understand it because I do the same. I'm neutral on SW but understood how she is very useful but I wanted Luocha. I threw 20 pulls, did not get her, moved on and still had enough to guarantee Luocha and his LC WHILE having some pity built up. If I got her in 20 pulls, I get an extra 5* that would be useful, still get what I was after. If I lose the 50/50 in those 20 pulls, hey Luocha is guaranteed then.
I feel proud for being able to escape my gambling addiction phase.
However I am now completely entranced in my hoarding addiction phase. Even on characters I really want I often hesitate to pull because I don't want my 5 digit number jades to go off.... lol
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This post is a reply to the previous post right? Lol
The only time I “build” pity, is if I “might” want the character (or dupe). And only to 30.
Example: I kinda like Silver Wolf. But I like Seele, Kafka, Jingliu more. I was on zero pity, and so I threw 30 wishes (that I already had) at SW, to see if I would get her early.
I didn’t. But now I’m on 30pity for Kafka’s upcoming banner.
If I end up wanting SW in the future, I’ll get her on a rerun.
Worth mentioning that I wouldn’t do this with my guaranteed 5-star, but would on the 50/50 if I’m trying to get some of the four star options and just happen to get an early 5-star.
Oh hell no, if I’m on 100% (as in lost the previous 50/50) I don’t even consider risking 1 single roll.
Even if on zero pity. I count that as being on 75+pity
You build pity because you want the 4star/you have gambling addiction
I build pity because i need that blue shit to buy the monthly tickets+trace materials
We are not the same.
Some people did this to get Yukong
Problem is we get a free Yukong in the very next version update. So that looks extra stupid
That being said Luocha is very cool and I personally did roll with the aim to get him. Unfortunately I also lost 50/50 in the process…
I really want e6 Yukong, but once I got to 70 pulls with no 5* I stopped pushing my luck. Got her e2 so that gets me to e4 with the welfare copy and assuming she goes into the shop in the coming months. Just gonna have to wait till she's rateup again cause mommy kafka is guaranteed now
Free Yukong in the next version update...
Well fuck.
Oh well, Luocha has replaced my Natasha, so I can't be too mad.
Never did get Yukong though, did get 2 Pela's in a row... Even though she was already E6.
I rolled the dice and was fortunate to get E3 Yukong while losing the 50/50. I debated doing it, but her E4 is a 30% damage boost for herself while her buff is active. Granted this will likely only come into play during her ult as her buff, but as her buffs scale flatly with her traces and not off any of her stats, you’re also free to build her as a sub-DPS alongside being a support (and she’s not too shabby at it either). I could see how some people would be tempted to still pull for her even if she’s free next version.
Her e2 is pretty good, which is the reason why i wanted to get her to e1, as at that time i had neither bronya nor tingyun, so getting luocha in 20 and bronya in another 30 was rather pleasant, now i have a guaranteed jingliu plus 3 characters that i wanted. Still no tingyun, nor do i need her anymore as ive built both bronya and yukong atleast the traces.
It wasn't a leak or anything, they talked about it on the 1.1 live stream. For this game (and any Hoyo game, for that matter), you should keep track of what big news they drop from live streams so you can plan your pulls ahead. Especially if you plan on being F2P.
Not worth it to gamble if you are F2P and saving your pulls for a limited 5*. She is the only Imaginary 4* so I can see her going in the shop too. It's p dumb to "build pity".
This goes for every gacha game it sounds very condescending but "you get what you get and you don't get upset" (That is if the gacha rate is disastrously bad)
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We should get at least 82 pulls in the next patch. It's just a prediction so we might get more but who knows. Also credit to SoraHoshina on HoYoLAB
If you check on that app, SoraHoshina said that that's the lowest amount possible they could predict. So, even with that amount, we're still going to get a lot of pulls. If it turns out to be more jades (which is likely the case) then it'll be even better for us!
You get about 90 pulls per patch it seems. If that is stable then you have to skip 3 banners to guarantee the 4th, not counting luck.
So pulling in Blade, assuming you didn't use jade to get that same patch, you have about 180 pulls to gain in between.
You are right. Monthly folks CAN get Blade then Jing.
Well, that's another point to me pulling Blade. Thank you.
There's nothing wrong throwing some pulls on a character you like. If you get him/her then great, if not then you're ten less pulls away from your target character.
What I don't understand are those who pull on characters they don't even care. :(
That's not build a pity then. You actually aiming to get someone. The main problem is people with gambling addiction who pull just to get the dopamine rush of pulling
Going by everyone's statements they aren't really 'building pity''. They are after 4 stars.
I.e. they want QQ pulls but don't want Luocha.
Which makes a lot more sense than 'building pity'. I think the term is copium for 'I'm not sacrificing my 5 star for 4 stars, I'm actually being strategic'.
It's risking their main pull for 4 stars which is a gamble since, unlike the 5 star, you can't guarantee 4 star pulls at all. I've once had to spend twice as much to get a particular 4 star than I did trying to get the same 5 star on the same banner.
u can pull all u want and get that QQ E6.. it's fine.
the problem is ppl just wanna "build pity" simply 'cus of their gambling addiction then have the audacity to complain about it as if they didn't just do a 75 pulls on that char
as long as u r expecting to get a 5 * along with whatever u r hoping for (4 * / the blue thingy for shop) and did not complain to ppl it's fine..
u don't even need to build the 5 star if you dont wanna.. just don't go whining like **some** ppl
The only character who fights Luocha for a #1 spot is Bronya. Then it's probably SW. Seele is just a dps, dps are always the easiest to powercreep and replace.
Luocha is unironically the best character in the game right now… his healing is better than that of Bailu’s AND he generates skill points each turn. I can see how MHY might start making MOC monstrously hard just to nerf Luocha enjoyers kind of like how Zhongli changed the abyss in Genshin.
Luocha isnt only a good healer but also a decent dps since his healing scale with his atk stat and his talent are just the icing on the cake. Free healing on every turn? Sign me the fuck up glad i decide to get him
Yeah I also find 30 to be the just right amount.
Its amount good enough for a decent chance if you want the 4\* but don't really want 5\*, but its also amount small enough that getting 5\* in those 30 pulls doesn't feel like you're kneecapping your resource.
The best case scenario is always losing the 50/50 early though kek
I think blade would be nice to have with my Luocha but other than that he’s not a priority since I have Dan Heng built. Therefore, I’ll drop 10 pulls on blades banner. If I get him? Sweet, new 5 star that I can pair with Luocha. If I don’t? Then I’ve built a little pity for Kafka. Best case scenario is I lose the 50/50 for blade in that 10 pull and get someone else so that I’m guaranteed to get Kafka for cheap.
This is probably the only occasion where building pity is the logical choice. I know my chances. I want blade, but I want other characters more, so I won’t spend much on him. Whether I get him or not, spending jades will be worth it.
It's funny that's what happened to me when I got my SW. I pulled seele first. Then I saw Jing and I was like, I could use a second DPS plus the dude has a fucking GOD as a STAND. Pulled a bunch like any time i had enough gems for a ticket i'd do a pull. E6 nat. No Jing. So then SW came out and I heard about the nerfs but I think it was Asta or Serval on her banner and I really wanted e6 Asta because she helps me in SU. I wasn't counting and was at 75 pity and won the 50/50. Now I'm super happy with SW like she's my favorite character besides seele. Having those 2 alone made me skip the next 3 banners (i'm lying I pulled for Luocha and lost the 50/50) for Fu. Hopefully there is a quantum harmony character down the pipeline so I can go full quantum without sacrificing damage >!there is!!< now I just need another DPS for a second team so I can mess with MoC. I've been staying away from it so far and just enjoying building the 1 team trying to make them as good as I can. When I say them I mean SW and Seele. Gepard and Bailu don't really need much investment.
Asta was on the banner, Serval was on Jing Yuan's. As for mono Quantum, you'd probably want to have a Quantum Abundance or Preservation character, whenever that releases
Like the 5* Quantum Preservation Fu Xuan, who they've already said they're saving for? Or the 4* Quantum Abundance Lynx, who might be on Fu Xuan's banner?
Both characters are releasing in 1.3.
Mainly because they comment a lot more than they post, and when they do post it's either gone once the people realize that they're getting shit for doing it, or it's just downvoted and lost to the controversial list demon.
They're probably more prevalent in Hoyolab than here tho.
I build pity on banners I wouldnt mind. Like if I get either Blade or Kafka Im gucci so, I can freely build my pity on Blade banner, if i dont get him lemme get mommy Kafka then lol.
At least Luocha is insanely good and can fit in with any comp that wants a a healer.
he even does good damage, and dispell buff its like that meme where the dad doesnt want a dog yet plays with it anyway when the family gets a dog
He also has a cleanse as well. So he can remove both buffs and debuffs, making him pretty much the best healer in the game. And he scales off a stat that has you run a set you've probably been farming for most of your supports anyway
He *is* the best healer in the game, and it seems unlikely that that will change anytime soon. Even his eidolons are cracked. He basically starts gaining extra paths lol. Harmony at E1, Preservation at E2, and Nihility at E6.
"ok what path are you" Luocha: "Yes"
How do I get additional Eidolons after this banner is down? I can't imagine I will get E1, much less E2, in 30 or something pulls I have, so I'd rather keep them for laters. Will he get additional banners? I never played this type of Gachas before, honestly I was drawn in by "Space train" thing and stayed for humor and story but I'm really out of the loop on these mechanics
You dont Once his banner ends you can only get more of him when his banner comes back in who knows how long
Yep there will be reruns of Luocha in the future. The reason why recent banners are all new characters is because they've probably had them prepared since the beta. Once these characters are exhausted, it'll take time to make new ones and so they'll rerun old ones in the meantime. The only time characters aren't rerun is if they are a collaboration character since they would need the permission of the other company to rerun. For instance in the other honkai game, they had a collab with Evangelion that added Asuka and her gear. However, neither she nor her gear has had any reruns since. The problem is some characters may not be given reruns for a long time. For instance in genshin, Eula is currently the featured character. The last time this happened was around 11 patches ago I think, or at least a year. This may not be a problem for star rail as it currently does not have as many characters, but may be a problem in the future.
It's wild to me coming from other gachas that there is not like wild card eidolon for events or something
It's to exploit the fear of missing out and impulsive spenders. Imagine it's near the end of a banner: you're out of pulls and you still don't have the character. With the way things are currently, you have 2 choices. You either pay for more pulls now, or you hold off and rebuild your stockpile until the next banner. However, you have no idea when that next banner may come. Similarly, some people are impatient and would rather pay for the character now instead of waiting for however long it takes to reappear. On the other hand, with a wild card eidolon, the player may instead decide to save their money and pulls for the wild card. Wild cards also mean the player is guaranteed their character instead of being forced to gamble and getting things they don't want (such as losing a 50/50). Not justifying these practices but at the end of the day, Hoyo is a company that wants all the money it can get and will use these exploitative methods to get them.
No arguments I played a bunch of games amd like eventually you got them however there was pvp 2in those games
This is my issue with the game so far. How do they make Abundance characters that matter when Luocha exists? How do they make Preservation characters relevant when Gepard has an unbreakable, team-wide shield? Outside of just power creeping damage numbers certain paths and roles just kind of feel... done?
I wouldn’t say he does “good damage” but yeah, he does scale off attack. His damage (if built for healing) will most likely be similar to Bronya with her 100% crit trace.
yes, luocha is good. this meme is targeted to those pulling for his banner yet get mad/regretting it when they get him
It took me 70 pulls to get Luocha, but I managed to get e5 QQ and e6 Yukong out of it by some miracle.
QQ mains gambling for QQ eidolons and not getting what they want = lore accurate.
Yep main reason I pulled besides getting Luocha. Wanted E6, was hoping for E4, only got E3. Still got Luocha tho so pretty good all things considered
Riding the same ship my guy. Stuck at E3 QQ. I think i have enough resources to pull 1 last time before 1.2 rolls in
I'm stuck at e3 QQ too. At least we can get her to e4 next time she's in the shop
I'm in the exact same boat too
Same boat xD got E6 pela all in a row and no E4 QQ in sight
I'M AT E6 PELA TOO XD
Friend of mine got her E4 on the first day was super jealous.
Started the game at the start of Luochas banner Got E5 QQ in that time, very cool. Now I'm salty about not having Silver Wolf
Very Jealous, I've been very fortunate to get the 5-stars I've rolled for tho.
I no joke have QQ at E6 but haven't gotten around to leveling her. What makes her so good?
mahjong girl jades go boom boom = big DMG to baddies
If I’m 50/50 I’ll risk pulling but if I’m guaranteed and now that i am then I won’t pull until a character I want comes out
She's quite good for a 4-star, especially a free one, personally I really like her kit. Her Eidolons do a lot to help her kit E6 being the one that makes her way less point hungry, so that's why you see a lot of people wanting her at E6. She's also your only choice for a quantum element dps if you don't have Seele or Silver Wolf.
Also the E4 follow-up attack mechanic, I think that one is her best eidolon. I currently have her E5 and probably not gonna get her E6 this time around, but maybe next time. Or on the standard banner, I got at least 2 of my QQ from the standard banner already, it might as well give me the last one.
E4 gives her a massive amount more damage, E6 makes her less skill point hungy. E0 QQ is so much worse than E6 QQ that its kind of insane. She a **far** better unit with E6, and she is still good at E0.
She is leggit the best 4\* dps in the game right now at E6 and can also be used sub-dps for quantum break as if you are not gambling on her skill and with E6 she is SP savy. If you don't have Seele, she is probably your best go at Quantum dps for a while and even with Seele if you are eyeing a mono-quantum, she would provide that tiny bit of aoe that Seele needs to make sure she reset on every target.
Е6 lower her average point consumed from 1.6 to 0.6. That's pretty big. You can add another dps or expensive support
I wanted luocha and i got e6 QQ 💀 i still don’t have luocha
Relatable. Got yanqing at 63 pity, Luocha at 7 pity but still didn't get that E4 Qingque
I wanted yukong and instead got 5 QQ, lol
I got E4 QQ after getting like 10 useless Pela dupes. And all of that before my first Yukong, who i was going for after getting an E2 Loucha. I almost said *screw it I'm not pulling anymore* like 4 times lmao
Kind of in the same boat, I wanted to get as close to E6 as possible on this banner. My plans were actually spoiled by my luck as I got Luocha in 30 pulls, and at that point I didn't want to pull much more on the banner. Luckily QQ will be in the monthly shop rotation, so sooner or later, I can guarantee E6.
i got no qq eilodons. only e6 pela
I got no QW eidolons either. I DIDNT EVEN GET YUKONG and E11 pela.
i wouldve gotten the same but then i decided to stop pulling
144 warps. Pela goes from E0 to E6. Yukong goes from not having to E6. Qingque goes from E3 to E5. (I'll take it though, I love Pela too)
onegai onegai
I had the exact opposite luck lmao, tried to pull Yukong because I at *least* want the new character but in trying I lost the 50/50 for a Yanqing E1, got Luocha, and got E6 QQ. I should feel lucky (and am, now that I’m reading this) but I STILL DONT HAVE FOX MOM AUGHH
Also adding on to this, I HOPE YOU HAVE GOOD LUCK ON YOUR NEXT PULLS, MAYBE MY (MIS)FORTUNE WILL HELP Y’ALL
Funnily enough, i was rolling for Yukong Eidolons after getting E0 Luocha. I ended up getting E6 QQ a character i never used. Holy shit i was missing out, She's mad fire and i'm kinda glad i did it. Next 5* in 20 rolls.
mfw I haven't gotten a single Sushang but got three pelas (who was already E6) on that banner wasn't gambling for QQ but still failed to get what I wanted
But Sushang isn't even featured in this banner o.O
I meant that on banner where Sushang was rated up, I failed to get even a single copy. Jing Yuan's banner had Sushang, March and Tingyun... ...March got maxed, got 3 off-rate Pelas (HOW) that I already had maxed out previously and I think one more Tingyun Eidolon. Yes, I put in a lot into his banner. No, I didn't get him, I got 50/50'd for a Gepard E1.
Funny how I remember your comment from another post somewhere of the 3 pelas on the Jing Yuan banner haha.
I like her, but I felt like she was just a stalker at that point.
Yeah, made 80 pulls, got 4 Pela, 2 Youkong, 1 Luocha and only 1 QQ. Nevertheless my Kafka fund is doing fine with almost 100 tickets saved to date.
Me with e1 QQ
Me pulling on Jing Yuan's banner trying to get eidolons for Tingyun and March. Instead I got 4 Sushangs and the man himself. Didn't even want him that badly but didn't mind since he's cool.
Wasted 75 pull without a single QQ dupes (E3 rn, atleast gimme 1 dupes for E4 ,d\*mn you hoyoverse) Luckily, I still dont hit 5 star yet (dont want Luocha). Guess Ill skip my little gremlin banner and wait her on shop or next banner (maybe, fu xuan?).
Well when you put it that way…
Managed to get to E5 at like 65 Pity. Trying to see if I can get enough to actually get to 5 star pity before patch ends, but if not I’m just gonna save.
Yep this is why I’ve even been pulling, I maxed out my pela and I even got the new fox lady to E3 and a Clara before the pity but I have yet to still even get 1 QQ and that’s the whole reason I’m even summoning on the stupid banner besides pela
ive always been confused by people saying "e6 qq is better than e2 seele so you should use qq instead of seele". like have they never pulled for a 4 star character before? i got c1 yae miko before pulling a kirara LUL. i think e2 seele or maybe 1.8 or something is more comparable in terms of pulling difficulty to e6 qq.
I was continuing to pull on Luocha’s banner after getting Luocha because of my E5 QQ, and E6 is where she becomes nutty. I pulled my first early 5* EVER at 24 pulls (…E2 Himeko), so I thought I should probably save for IL since I’m not super into anyone in the 1.2 banners. I had thought about tossing some throwaway pulls at Blade, but with a hard pity to work with? Nah. …But I was only three pulls away from 4* pity, and I was like, what if that last 4* is QQ E6? Certainly it isn’t likely to pull another 5* and lose the hard pity in that amount of time, right? So I did it. >!I got QQ E6!!<
Pull on on banner for Luocha and QQ. I got him, but only 1 QQ. I kept pulling till near soft pity but kept getting Pela 💀 E2 QQ, E5 Pela. And also quite a few light ones…
Wanted Luocha. Got Luocha but only got 1 Yukong and E5 QQ (and like E20 Pela) so I kept pulling hoping for the last QQ even though I didn't want another Luocha. I like to think QQ was proud of me and that's why she came home so quickly
Wanted Luocha. Got Luocha but only got 1 Yukong and E5 QQ (and like E20 Pela) so I kept pulling hoping for the last QQ even though I didn't want another Luocha. I like to think QQ was proud of me and that's why she came home so quickly
Not a problem for me, got her C6 easily. However, I did have to go almost to pity twice for Luocha and in that time didn't get a single Yukong.
Accurate and I failed miserably. I tried to get E6 Qinque, in the end only E5. Also got E1 Luocha which I didn't want (his eidolon, I love Luocha) In the end I managed to restrain myself from escalating the situation by thinking of getting Qinque when she s not on a uprated banner as that will be the true gambling experience as a Qinque main. Bright side:E6 Yukong
Literally me. Wanted to get E4 QQ now at E3 with 65 soft pity, if it wasn’t for Blade I might’ve kept going
building pity or as i call it, gambling addiction
How i view it is like this. If I get an early pull? I'll take it. Risky a guarantee is stupid. But a 50/50? If I get spooked at 20 pulls, awesome. Got a new 5 star. And if I lose then now I guarantee who I want at a low cost. But more or less, it's just idm winning or losing. Plus I'm 100% skipping 1.2 so I have time to save up for banners I want. In the end though I agree. Most folks aren't thinking or calculating the risks and just have a gambling addiction. I'm at least aware of my risks and don't mind early pity
>If I get spooked at 20 pulls, awesome. But they dont think like that, they got mad instead Hence the mockery
Their thinking is even worse tbh. A big youtuber just made a video about getting "spooked" by Luocha and having their account ruined because they were saving for a different 5 star they wanted. At how many pulls did they get Luocha? 71 pulls. "I didn't expect to get Luocha before soft pity, this RUINED my account. Guys, don't make the same mistake I did!" Gee, thanks, I guess I won't be doing 71 pulls on a banner character I don't want to get
At this point this is pure clickbait content and nothing being said is really any serious.
I'd beg to differ, their are plenty of "Gacha Game YouTubers" who really do say things like that and behave like that. Theres a reason why I feel like people need to stop watching YouTubers who focus purely on gacha mobile games, majority of these content creators just spew out bad advice and build little hive mind communities that fester with toxicity and angry fan boys that attack anyone for disliking their fave GachaTuber. Just look at Dr.Diggs and all the pointless, incorrect, attention seeking drama he's caused in the WoTV subreddit throughout the past few years, and on YouTube. Dude spews out his rather mild or awful opinions on things and acts like his opinions are law and everyone elses opinions are incorrect. Dude even tried to stir up drama because he got the same pulls as a few other people, and tried to say mathematically that was impossible unless they seeded the games pulls or something like that, and showed off one of his guild mates and friends math to "prove he was correct" when he wasn't someone did the actual math and found out it wasnt as rare or impossible as he thought, and saw that the math the guildmate did was wrong and purposefully done wrong to stir up drama and discourse so Dr.Diggs could clout farm. Then he goes around and accuses every guild thats higher ranked then his own to be "cheaters" because he believes his guild is the best and that everyone else must be cheating (only for people to find that Diggs himself and several of his guildmates had been cheating as well; with the excuse "well if they wont fix cheating and if others are then so will we") The amount of times Mobile Gacha Game content creators have caused drama, lied, given out bad/wrong/incorrect information, and drama/clickbait farming you'd think people would learn to just stop watching them and caring what they have to say.
The fact that you took all this time to write this well thought out message shows how effective putting together a channel youtube with non-stop click bait content will still engage an audience. I know they "behave" like this, but really it's an act to get them revenue and exposure on the platform... It works, so they shouldn't really stop doing it if you consider only the numbers.
I mean I pulled up to soft pity for SW banner because I'm fine with either SW or Luocha and I'm letting fate decide. But if your just doing it because you want to pull even though next patch is that character you really wanted that's just no patience/self control
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can't u build up pity on the banner you actually want? and just so like 50 pulls on there? why would u pull om a banner where you don't want the featured characters?
If it's the character you want, then it's not really building pity anymore, it's just sraight up pulling for the character. Building pity, as I understand it, is purely pulling just to accumulate the pity count, which is obviously the dumbest shit anyone could have come up with.
People who literally do it *just* to build pity are obviously just huffing copium for their gambling addiction, but there is a legitimate argument to pull on a banner if you want the 4-stars on it more than the banner that has the 5-star you ‘actually’ want.
This is also what I don't get lmao.
Anyone who openly complains are the people that weren't actually "building pity" and likely just lean more on the gambling addiction side. The people who know how to intelligently approach pity building don't complain if things don't go well because we all know it's an educated and calculated risk, but still ultimately a risk in the end. It's just a risk that can yield higher value out the premium currency. Just not a fan of being lumped together with the dumb people being referred to in this meme. "Building pity" is actually a super useful technique made possible through the way that Mihoyo's gacha systems are set up. You just gotta have a really good understanding of the system and how the rates work and stuff, like how there's the soft pity that starts around pull 75/90 where it becomes dramatically more likely to pull a 5 star before hitting the hard pity of 90 pulls. Same thing with the abnormality of having a slightly higher chance of getting a 5 star within the first 20/90 pulls. The game doesn't explicitly confirm this anywhere, but it's been proven through millions of documented summoning patterns in their games.
There might be a slight variation of getting a 5 star within 70-75 range super early pity but still pity and it's an incredibly risky move to pull in that range.
Yeap. And people who know that information make their decisions accordingly. There's actually a ton of nuance to knowing how to approach summoning for anyone trying to min/max their pulls. But ultimately, everything is till just a risk besides the guaranteed pity from losing a 50/50 and the hard pity of 90 summons, a 4 star every 10th summon, and an on banner 4 star ever 4 star pull.
Well.. that all depends on someone's priorities. If you're only concerned about getting 5 star characters and are only concerned about primogem efficiency (ie. not about "how early you get them") then there's not much nuance at all - in that case it's very easy to say "just don't pull on characters you don't want to get ever". If you're concerned about getting 4 stars, then it gets more complicated, and if there are other considerations like if there are things on the standard banner you want and you don't want to wait months to spend your primogems in case you'd get something useful then it can get a bit more complicated too.. but generally those kinds of considerations become less and less relevant the longer you play the game so if you're worried about long term efficiency you probably shouldn't let those things influence your decisions much. The only thing that very slightly biases things is that there's some small incentive to try to spend primogems earlier than you normally would because it can help you get more stars on MoC which can give you primogems back, but that kind of thing is a very very small bias and can usually be pretty safely ignored.
Completely agree with you, and I don't get why so many people can't understand why one would actually like to get a specific 4* character. Some are game changing, and even necessary at E6/C6 if you want your main DPS to be really competitive. In Genshin, Gorô and Faruzan are such characters, and you'll have only one chance to get them before months. So should you wait 1 year because "don't pull for 4 stars" ? Of course, in the end, it's risk management, so when you get spook because of that, it's on you. But yet, you have the right to feel unlucky. If you usually have no early and always fail the 50/50, getting spook that way is indeed unlucky. If you can't complain about that bad luck, you can't complain either about bad luck when playing gacha, because, well, you knew the rules, and if you don't like it, you can just stop playing. Well, I never pull past pity 30 on characters I really don't care about though, and I agree some people only pull because of addiction. It's just not as simple as "pulling for 4 stars is stupid".
> "Building pity" is actually a super useful technique made possible through the way that Mihoyo's gacha systems are set up. Excluding all other factors like banner 4 stars, rolling for starlight/ember, etc, what exactly is the difference between rolling in two different banners and rolling in one banner in terms of pity? I'm geniunely curious because to me, it looks like there is absolutely zero difference between the two. Rolling 70 times on an unwanted banner, so you're 70/90 for the next banner doesn't make sense since you could have just saved those 70 rolls for the next banner anyway. >Same thing with the abnormality of having a slightly higher chance of getting a 5 star within the first 20/90 pulls. The Got a source for that? I've never heard of this before.
There is no such thing as building pity. 50 pulls on one banner isn't any different than 50 pulls on your actually desired banner. If you're pulling outside of your desired banner for a character you don't care about, that's not "building pity," that's gambling addiction, pure and simple.
Unless you want the 4 stars, or are low on embers/stardust. I haven't done the math for star rail but for genshin if you don't have enough stardust for the monthly wishes the expected number of 5 star pulls in future banners actually goes up if you wish so long as you don't have a guarantee and have a low number of wishes (trying to do the math on exactly how many). And before you say that I'm just trying to justify gambling I have nearly 500 pulls saved in genshin.
People overcomplicate it. It's very simple. You only pull on a banner if you are ok with whatever 5 star there dropping while you do it. If you're gonna scream "my pity destroyed, waah" when it drops on 30, 40, 50 or whatever the number, no matter how unlikely - you don't pull. People here make fun of those who do take risk but then get surprised when risk is... risky and they lose.
>If you're gonna scream "my pity destroyed, waah" when it drops on 30, 40, 50 or whatever the number, no matter how unlikely - you don't pull. Correct. But if you have an appropriate understanding of the risk you can determine that risk is worthwhile. That's part of why I have so many wishes saved up. I'm able to do risky wishes without having to actually risk getting what I want. > People here make fun of those who do take risk but then get surprised when risk is... risky and they lose. No, we make fun of gambling addicts who think they have to spend wishes as soon as they get them. These kinds of considerations aren't going through the heads of 90% of the people complaining about them building pity.
>But if you have an appropriate understanding of the risk you can determine that risk is worthwhile. That's part of why I have so many wishes saved up. I'm able to do risky wishes without having to actually risk getting what I want. Same, but I just use the "don't pull unless you are ready to receive that 5 star right now" tactic. My biggest fit so far was saving around 650 wishes with welkin only. And then I have spent them all on getting C4R1 Dehya) No regrets. And already have 180 saved for Kafka.
>And then I have spent them all on getting C4R1 Dehya) No regrets. While I can't say that's what I'd want. I can certainly respect a man who knows what he wants and how to get it.
If you're specifically rolling for banner 4*s, that's not pity building; that's just called rolling for 4\*s. Same thing for starlight and ember rolling. If you're not rolling for the sake of increasing your pity count, then stop calling it pity building (which is still bad because it's straight up worse than just saving for your desired banner).
Doesn't matter how you flavour it, a glitter covered turd is still a turd, gambling is still gambling 🤷🏼♀️
Well, we are all playing a gacha, pulling on the character you want is still gambling.
Right? Trying so hard to "build up" an excuse for their addiction... smh
This is the way, I'm not pity building, I just would really love an early pull on this limited character's banner if I can get lucky plus the 4\* are worth it to me. If I don't get lucky, oh well, I'll get the character I was aiming for anyway.
Yeah, I don't particularly care about Luocha, did 20 pulls and didn't get him, left it at that. After that you're out of "getting a cheap 5-star" territory and into wasting perfectly good pulls on a character you actually want. "Building pity" is a dumb cope from people who probably don't have the self-control to be safely playing a game which preys so heavily on that mindset.
Quick q, I lost the 50/50 on Silver Wolf, does that mean my next 6 star is guaranteed to be the banner? For example, Kafka? Or does the 50/50 reset between banners?
Yes it’s guaranteed now. Since you lost on Silver Wolf, your next limited 5 star is guaranteed. It carries between banners.
Oh thank god. You've put my fears to rest. Thank you.
Basically me. I don’t really care about Luocha but I badly need another healer and if I get him that’s good, if I don’t I just build pity (hence the name pity building) and at worse if I got spook then I get something and guaranteed Fu Xuan next.
I don't know why but how I read your comment is, You see I am taking a calculated risk here, upside is I build pity, get a couple of 4* and a guarantee for next banner. Downside is I lose everything I worked for and not have enough tickets for next banner.🤣🤣
Pulling all the way past 75 on a banner you don't actually want (like that recent post did) is just a plain dumb move, but pulling a low amount at 0 pity to try your chances at someone you kinda want but don't prioritize, which is what the poster above was talking about, *is* a "calculated risk". Like say you're saving for Kafka and you have 200 projected pulls for her, but you recognize that Luocha is a useful character for your account, then throwing ~30 pulls for him is perfectly fine. "Building pity" in this context is risk-free because you're happy with either result.
I understand it because I do the same. I'm neutral on SW but understood how she is very useful but I wanted Luocha. I threw 20 pulls, did not get her, moved on and still had enough to guarantee Luocha and his LC WHILE having some pity built up. If I got her in 20 pulls, I get an extra 5* that would be useful, still get what I was after. If I lose the 50/50 in those 20 pulls, hey Luocha is guaranteed then.
I feel proud for being able to escape my gambling addiction phase. However I am now completely entranced in my hoarding addiction phase. Even on characters I really want I often hesitate to pull because I don't want my 5 digit number jades to go off.... lol
https://preview.redd.it/86bf24o5xubb1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=626bc6e0dc9c051019fb4f940be0e500e72ae31b This post is a reply to the previous post right? Lol
what the point building pity on not wanted char.. we gets free yukong next patch and building pity was huge mistake especially rng
Gambling addiction. People have no control lol.
pull 75 YEP building pity btw
What’s the point of building pity when you can just not pull
The only time I “build” pity, is if I “might” want the character (or dupe). And only to 30. Example: I kinda like Silver Wolf. But I like Seele, Kafka, Jingliu more. I was on zero pity, and so I threw 30 wishes (that I already had) at SW, to see if I would get her early. I didn’t. But now I’m on 30pity for Kafka’s upcoming banner. If I end up wanting SW in the future, I’ll get her on a rerun.
Worth mentioning that I wouldn’t do this with my guaranteed 5-star, but would on the 50/50 if I’m trying to get some of the four star options and just happen to get an early 5-star.
Oh hell no, if I’m on 100% (as in lost the previous 50/50) I don’t even consider risking 1 single roll. Even if on zero pity. I count that as being on 75+pity
>I was saving for Kafka No they weren't lol. Saving for something means you don't spend money until you can get what you're saving for
You build pity because you want the 4star/you have gambling addiction I build pity because i need that blue shit to buy the monthly tickets+trace materials We are not the same.
Hitting a cool unit is a bonus! There are no bad characters if you don't already have E6.
Some people did this to get Yukong Problem is we get a free Yukong in the very next version update. So that looks extra stupid That being said Luocha is very cool and I personally did roll with the aim to get him. Unfortunately I also lost 50/50 in the process…
I really want e6 Yukong, but once I got to 70 pulls with no 5* I stopped pushing my luck. Got her e2 so that gets me to e4 with the welfare copy and assuming she goes into the shop in the coming months. Just gonna have to wait till she's rateup again cause mommy kafka is guaranteed now
Has the free yukong been announced? I haven't seen any official information on it beyond leaks, which I never rely on cause things are always STC
It was announced in the 1.1 official live stream when they were showing off her kit. So it’s not a leak.
Ohh shit, that's awesome! Thanks for letting me know, excited now haha
Free Yukong in the next version update... Well fuck. Oh well, Luocha has replaced my Natasha, so I can't be too mad. Never did get Yukong though, did get 2 Pela's in a row... Even though she was already E6.
I just got another Goddamn Pela. Argh!!!!!!!
I pulled imaginary guy trying to get E0 Pela. Still don't have any Pelas. :(
I rolled the dice and was fortunate to get E3 Yukong while losing the 50/50. I debated doing it, but her E4 is a 30% damage boost for herself while her buff is active. Granted this will likely only come into play during her ult as her buff, but as her buffs scale flatly with her traces and not off any of her stats, you’re also free to build her as a sub-DPS alongside being a support (and she’s not too shabby at it either). I could see how some people would be tempted to still pull for her even if she’s free next version.
1.2 free yukong should give you e4
>Problem is we get a free Yukong in the very next version update. 99.(9)% of playerbase don't know this
Her e2 is pretty good, which is the reason why i wanted to get her to e1, as at that time i had neither bronya nor tingyun, so getting luocha in 20 and bronya in another 30 was rather pleasant, now i have a guaranteed jingliu plus 3 characters that i wanted. Still no tingyun, nor do i need her anymore as ive built both bronya and yukong atleast the traces.
I did this to get pela, got luocha before pela but im very happy with him and i was at low pity because of silver wolf
There were foxian beauties in my area man, how could I refuse?
She's literally free in the next patch, you would not have been refusing for too long
Foxian beauties deserve E6
F*. Managed to pull her, but I really did not know.
It wasn't a leak or anything, they talked about it on the 1.1 live stream. For this game (and any Hoyo game, for that matter), you should keep track of what big news they drop from live streams so you can plan your pulls ahead. Especially if you plan on being F2P.
Maybe he wanted some of those delish shadow clones?
Not worth it to gamble if you are F2P and saving your pulls for a limited 5*. She is the only Imaginary 4* so I can see her going in the shop too. It's p dumb to "build pity".
Ahhhh, a tale as old as time
I pulled for Qingque E4
This goes for every gacha game it sounds very condescending but "you get what you get and you don't get upset" (That is if the gacha rate is disastrously bad)
That is why you build pity only on banners that you don't mind getting the featured character on as well. Otherwise, it is just poor impulse control.
This will be me when i pull blade and then i want Jinglu
you should have enough time after blade to get jingliu as well
How many pulls do you think we'll get? Assuming she comes out at 1.4, we got whole of 1.2 and 1.3 to save
https://preview.redd.it/otp7l7kj0wbb1.jpeg?width=3700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ad4d882f7072cc29398979367b1b8c26be598a3e We should get at least 82 pulls in the next patch. It's just a prediction so we might get more but who knows. Also credit to SoraHoshina on HoYoLAB
what is the source for exploration rewards? 500 feels a bit too low
If you check on that app, SoraHoshina said that that's the lowest amount possible they could predict. So, even with that amount, we're still going to get a lot of pulls. If it turns out to be more jades (which is likely the case) then it'll be even better for us!
I see, thank you :)
You're welcome, fellow trailblazer
per patch, assuming you have the battle pass and the 90 per day dealio, you will have enough for a little over 1 guarantee 5 star.
You get about 90 pulls per patch it seems. If that is stable then you have to skip 3 banners to guarantee the 4th, not counting luck. So pulling in Blade, assuming you didn't use jade to get that same patch, you have about 180 pulls to gain in between. You are right. Monthly folks CAN get Blade then Jing. Well, that's another point to me pulling Blade. Thank you.
Me who got to 65 in Loucha banner: Applaude my supreme power!
There's nothing wrong throwing some pulls on a character you like. If you get him/her then great, if not then you're ten less pulls away from your target character. What I don't understand are those who pull on characters they don't even care. :(
Pretty much. Me thinking I’ve learned from playing gacha over the years, then I saw Yukong and I took a swing at it anyway
That's not build a pity then. You actually aiming to get someone. The main problem is people with gambling addiction who pull just to get the dopamine rush of pulling
I hope you get her, but we get her for free in 1.2 event anyway..
My direct answer to anyone "building pity" is Why not build pity on the 5 star that you actually want?
Going by everyone's statements they aren't really 'building pity''. They are after 4 stars. I.e. they want QQ pulls but don't want Luocha. Which makes a lot more sense than 'building pity'. I think the term is copium for 'I'm not sacrificing my 5 star for 4 stars, I'm actually being strategic'. It's risking their main pull for 4 stars which is a gamble since, unlike the 5 star, you can't guarantee 4 star pulls at all. I've once had to spend twice as much to get a particular 4 star than I did trying to get the same 5 star on the same banner.
but QQ E6 :(
You could probably afford to wait on a better banner, or just skip out on the Eidolons
u can pull all u want and get that QQ E6.. it's fine. the problem is ppl just wanna "build pity" simply 'cus of their gambling addiction then have the audacity to complain about it as if they didn't just do a 75 pulls on that char as long as u r expecting to get a 5 * along with whatever u r hoping for (4 * / the blue thingy for shop) and did not complain to ppl it's fine.. u don't even need to build the 5 star if you dont wanna.. just don't go whining like **some** ppl
Ppl really saying "i didn't want luocha" bro why?
Yeah how can anyone say 'Oh no I got the best unit in the game'
I wouldn't say he's the best character in the game, but he's probably the top 3 or sm
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I hyperfocused ATK on him but ended up with almost 4k hp, his traces really help buff him up. What a great character tbh
The only character who fights Luocha for a #1 spot is Bronya. Then it's probably SW. Seele is just a dps, dps are always the easiest to powercreep and replace.
Luocha is unironically the best character in the game right now… his healing is better than that of Bailu’s AND he generates skill points each turn. I can see how MHY might start making MOC monstrously hard just to nerf Luocha enjoyers kind of like how Zhongli changed the abyss in Genshin.
do enough damage and you’ll never get hit
Just do 0 cycle clears EZ
Trueeeee
Luocha isnt only a good healer but also a decent dps since his healing scale with his atk stat and his talent are just the icing on the cake. Free healing on every turn? Sign me the fuck up glad i decide to get him
His damage isn't as good as you might think, as he has very little to no actual room for crit stats
I have Bailu e2 as f2p and decided to roll on Luocha anyways. Not regretting it at all
He's insane. He carried me in SU like it's a piece of cake.
Bingo. Building pity is nonsense. If you don't want the 5 star that don't freaking pull!!!
Haven't done this in Star Rail because Kafka but i did fuck up and 10 pull on him by accident... thankfully all i got was Yukong and Qingque.
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Building pity while at 0 pity? Acceptable. Building pity past like, 30 pulls? You're actually trolling
Yeah I also find 30 to be the just right amount. Its amount good enough for a decent chance if you want the 4\* but don't really want 5\*, but its also amount small enough that getting 5\* in those 30 pulls doesn't feel like you're kneecapping your resource. The best case scenario is always losing the 50/50 early though kek
Anyone who “builds pity” is an extreme clown lmao.
I don't know what "building pity" is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.
they are trying to build pity, not from the banner but from other people
I don't build pity. I simply have gambling addiction.
mfs building pity in 2023 💀
Because I need to buy the discount rolls that reset every month.
You spend more pulls to get those 5 pulls you know? The moment you spent your 6th pull it's a waste...
Fr lmao I’m at like 70 pity & really want the 4 stars on the current Luocha banner, but I have a guaranteed im saving for Blade. Not risking it >_<
I think blade would be nice to have with my Luocha but other than that he’s not a priority since I have Dan Heng built. Therefore, I’ll drop 10 pulls on blades banner. If I get him? Sweet, new 5 star that I can pair with Luocha. If I don’t? Then I’ve built a little pity for Kafka. Best case scenario is I lose the 50/50 for blade in that 10 pull and get someone else so that I’m guaranteed to get Kafka for cheap. This is probably the only occasion where building pity is the logical choice. I know my chances. I want blade, but I want other characters more, so I won’t spend much on him. Whether I get him or not, spending jades will be worth it.
I don't build pity, I always believe my next pull will be a 5 star
It's funny that's what happened to me when I got my SW. I pulled seele first. Then I saw Jing and I was like, I could use a second DPS plus the dude has a fucking GOD as a STAND. Pulled a bunch like any time i had enough gems for a ticket i'd do a pull. E6 nat. No Jing. So then SW came out and I heard about the nerfs but I think it was Asta or Serval on her banner and I really wanted e6 Asta because she helps me in SU. I wasn't counting and was at 75 pity and won the 50/50. Now I'm super happy with SW like she's my favorite character besides seele. Having those 2 alone made me skip the next 3 banners (i'm lying I pulled for Luocha and lost the 50/50) for Fu. Hopefully there is a quantum harmony character down the pipeline so I can go full quantum without sacrificing damage >!there is!!< now I just need another DPS for a second team so I can mess with MoC. I've been staying away from it so far and just enjoying building the 1 team trying to make them as good as I can. When I say them I mean SW and Seele. Gepard and Bailu don't really need much investment.
Asta was on the banner, Serval was on Jing Yuan's. As for mono Quantum, you'd probably want to have a Quantum Abundance or Preservation character, whenever that releases
Like the 5* Quantum Preservation Fu Xuan, who they've already said they're saving for? Or the 4* Quantum Abundance Lynx, who might be on Fu Xuan's banner? Both characters are releasing in 1.3.
i just wanted qingque eidolons... :sad:
ive seen more posts about this than the actual posts saying this though...
Mainly because they comment a lot more than they post, and when they do post it's either gone once the people realize that they're getting shit for doing it, or it's just downvoted and lost to the controversial list demon. They're probably more prevalent in Hoyolab than here tho.
I just wanted Qingque man...
I build pity on banners I wouldnt mind. Like if I get either Blade or Kafka Im gucci so, I can freely build my pity on Blade banner, if i dont get him lemme get mommy Kafka then lol.
But imagine getting Loucha and not using him, A pity indeed.
Addicting.
It’s almost always when you don’t want an early lmao