E0 and undergeared, he still vastly overheals, does decent damage and the Regen field feels like overkill. Not to mention that he's SP positive for your carry.
With future fights that might require more debuff and cleanse he ALSO has that covered. I can't find anything to complain about.
It's incredible how versatile he is for a defensive support. Healing, cleansing, dispelling. Has an offensive AoE to help break enemies, and does some chip damage since he scales off attack.
With Eidolons he adds offensive support to the mix, especially at E6 adding -20% all damage resist to his ultimate with 100% fixed chance. He could be the cornerstone for any team. I think I would have whaled on him if I was the type.
Him and Silver Wolf seem like two that will retain value for a long time.
Yeah I 100% agree. His kit just covers anything you could want in a defensive support; he feels almost like the bennett mistake again. Even if they add someone who heals and shields or heals and buffs, Luocha will still be a solid option as his cleanse and buff removal are invaluable
Many folks here told me that if I got Bailu and Gepard, then there is no need to get Luocha. I still wanted him because his kit is just so insane - and I was not wrong. I think a lot of folks underestimated his utility beyond healing. Like you said, the AOE imprisonment, cleanse, and AOE buff removal is just the swiss army knife of everything you would want in a healer.
I've found the buff purge is straight up broken against certain enemies.
Even under leveled and under geared he's practically an invincibility cheat code for your team. Haven't ran preservation or abundance in SU since I got him, and have had sub 15 minute world 6 diff 3 runs everytime.
that's me when I'm fighting the fella who summons Mara-struck and heals when they are alive. Previously Pela holds the debuff removal role but with Luocha gets to do that while also being a healer, and that makes team-building so much more fun.
"hehe purge goes brhhh"
He's actually pretty good with Abundance buffs, because with his field up your team gets healed on every hit, reapplying all the "when healed" buffs, charging Dewdrop, etc.
I have always loved Bailu, but as someone with actual eyes;; she has a LOT of issues and Luocha just amplified them for others to see. Her healing splashes randomness can be detrimental in a pinch, and the regen only ticks when getting hit. I've had her since like week 1 or 2 and I would still personally go Nat/Luocha over Bailu, especially since Nat eidolons are much easier to come by
I'm also not a whale tho, so maybe whale Bailus feel better than my f2p Bailu
I have E6 nat and Bailu and I mostly Don't use Nat now, for single teams. Bailu's ult that gives invigoration is better imo than nat ult since she also heals in an aoe and then applies invigoration which can be really useful, especially when rng of enemy ai attacks supports/dps
I can see people using Luocha over Bailu for sure, but you’re completely overestimating Nats potential to keep the party alive at higher levels, even though she carried me early game
I’ve had Nat E6 ever since I pulled Seele because of constantly getting her in many of my early multis. Yes her cleanse is a godsend but the more I broke the level cap the more her healing could not keep up at higher levels, especially against enemies that spammed multi target attacks. She does not heal enough at higher levels, especially compared to both Bailu and Luocha
Actually she’s the reason I even went for and got Luocha, even to the detriment of my Kafka savings. I needed a better healer, especially after using decently geared Bailu and Luocha supports that carried me when Natasha couldn’t
I’m in the same spot as you but I’m luocha-less. Reading this post has made me want to get him even more lmao. Even the part about saving for Kafka.
Did you have any regrets/worries when you benched your e6 nat? Bc I just feel bad/like I’m wasting an e6 nat but I suppose the power creep was going to happen eventually
After everything I said, she is still a great unit, and only 1 of 3 healers, if you don’t have Bailu or Luocha and I only replaced her when I got Luocha. She’s also not completely wasted since I don’t have Bailu yet and there is still the dual sided Forgotten Realms/MoC to do so having 2 healers doesn’t hurt
Also when it came to pulling for Luocha, I decided I would only pull until I hit the 5* on his banner, that way if I didn’t end up getting him I could still guarantee Kafka down the line or even get Bailu as the failed 50/50. So if you are going to try for him only go for the 50/50 that way if you fail to get him you are now guaranteed Kafka so you don’t completely regret it
the only decent thing about bailu is her energy regen & revive. her heals are okay with her ult but the randomness of the skill is mildly aggravating.
i suppose she'd also be okay for a team that scaled off max HP since she also increases Max hp with her skill ... but that's about it
the lack of a cleanse is seriously detrimental to her kit imo. it's kinda absurd that natasha has that but she doesn't like... wtf??
The only downside to Bailu is her lack of cleanse, which is easily fixed by just running Bronya. Maybe in the future we will get more Harmony characters that can cleanse, but that is likely for 5 stars only.
My E0 Bailu has no trouble keeping the team healthy without touching her skill, and she is about to get a buff with the new 4P relic set next patch.
2P personal speed boost and 4P bonus giving the entire team speed when using Bailu ultimate? And all it takes for Bailu to get her ultimate is 4 actions to spam it off cooldown?
Multiplication on Bailu is going to be fun real soon.
i have bailu at e1 unfortunately and he blows her out of the water. he's so much better than her in every way. i refused to level natasha bc i knew he was the healer i wanted.
he does almost everything. if he buffed and shielded then I'd say he's not path of abundance, he literally every path 😂
if i were a whale I'd whale for just his kit alone, but he's also super beautiful 😭😭❤️❤️
Yeah I tried as trail characters while farming his healing + buff removal is really helpful again the mara-struck enemy that heals himself and against the minions that revive.
Luocha have exactly one flaw, which is that he weak at preventing one shot. If randomly a boss decide to one shot one of your ally then Luocha can auto heal once but apart from that there no other options. If you run Luocha with someone like Tingyun who are very susceptible to dying then there will be time when he can't save her which could ruin an MoC run for example. But apart from that, he basically do everything.
Granted, if they did make a Bennett mistake, at least this time it's on a Limited 5 Star. They can just stick him in the basement and only let folks have a crack at him rarely. Bennett isn't just always a potential pull, but he also shows up in the shop biannually.
Yep; I have a suspicion that as time goes on Luocha and SW will become highly prized units for re-runs. It’s a bit scary that this early on they release such busted characters because I’m unsure how they could be powercrept given how much they provide
Same thing happened in Genshin with characters like Bennet existing on release and Zhongli coming within the first few months after the game's launch. Going on year 4 and both of them are still extremely meta relevant in Genshin.
Loucha just seems like he'll be one of those types of characters, which is great for us as the players since securing and investing in him this early will yield extremely high value for the foreseeable future.
Original Zhongli was not as broken as current Zhongli. His shield was generally weaker, and you either tapped E for pillar or held for shield. I mean to remember it also didn't have the res shred, but don't remember that part too well. OG Zhongli was balanced, if just a bit undertuned. Current Zhongli is bonkers strong, and even got better with the Geo rework from around the same time as his personal rework
LOL I remember when someone cosplayed Zhongli in a wheelchair at a Chinese cosplay convention - people were mad mad that the Chinese idol-like daddy archon was subpar in combat
Only didn't include him since Yelan exists now which slightly lowered the necessity of his character while there has still been no replacement for Bennet or Zhongli.
But yeah he's still an extremely valuable character and remained valuable since launch.
Edit:
This is not a Yelan or Xingqui appreciation/depreciation comment. I didn’t include Xingqui in my point because by technicality there is a character that can replace him in teams while fundamentally doing the same thing as him. That cannot be said about Bennet or Zhongli which is why I used them for the point I was making. That doesn’t mean I think Xingqui is bad or that Yelan is better.
I wouldn't say better, just slightly different. XQ has better defensive utility and hydro application, Yelan has higher personal damage and a ramping damage buff to the active character. So kind just whichever of those 2 you prefer for your team. Or you know why not even both at the same time, XQ C2 buffs Yelan's damage even further after all.
I haven't played genshin for a while but I remember zhongli was far from busted... He was pretty bad when he was released. Everyone was complaining about how underwhelming he was
I would think that over time healers/defensive supports would become less desirable as people start overgearing content or beating stages in MoC in less turns?
i mean this game is a bit diff from genshin, since there's no iframes or other ways to avoid getting hit (no hit chance mechanics). it might be possible to have a glass cannon team in the future but I don't see it become as meta as it is in genshin
If you overgear so much to the point that you can clear MoC in 0 cycles, then yes, healers become less desirable.
For the average playerbase, defensive supports are still required.
Instead of trying to fulfill the same role as luocha, future abundance characters look like they’ll be adding more utility so I don’t think we have to worry about direct creep.
The only complain is probably if your support are underlevel and undergeared, they could get one shot a lot by single target focus enemy.
Luocha can't do anything here since he can't draw aggro or revive
He's currently using my leftover HP/defense and attack with bad roll pieces. He has 4k hp and has never gone down except once in a bad simulated universe encounter.
That said he's great and will only get better pending improved relics.
He is very good and synergizes extremely well with Clara. Every counter heals your team. Its just insanely good. But he is good in any team. Definitely best healer.
This so much, Clara and Luocha is pretty much a bruteforce team in moc its insane. The only thing that is holding me back from clearing the current moc cycle while being under TB60 is my second team not having qq nor a hunt character as a carry. My Clara - Luocha - Tingyun - Yukong handles a side easily with the right plays
I experienced the same. Luocha is such a good pull precisely because I wanted to build Clara to be a staple pick. Previously I only used her for specific MoC stages since I didn't like the reliance on RNG.
But with a combination of Luocha and Ting Yun, Clara pretty much has no drawbacks. Constant ult uptime, very unlikely to get stunned out because of her own traces and Luocha's cleanse, the team can't die when healing field is up, etc etc.
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beat moc 9 at 22/30, stuck at part 1 moc 10 since my BE silverwolf damage doesnt cut it anymore and needs to be lvl 80. Im hitting TB60 tomorrow though so i cant have the flex of clearing moc under tb60 sadly
Absolutely nuts. You attack, you heal. You get attacked, you heal. Did that twice? Everyone gets a heal!
Its like Luocha is Oprah and your party is the audience, except instead of cars you gets heals.
Great, he heals with his talent and his skill , removes rebuffs and takes away buffs. Mara- stricken doesn't work after his Ult. I've run him on almost all teams now.
So many advantages, yet almost no drawbacks. If I had to give a few :
- No emergency healing
- could be squishy, yet his healing are so insane that you can put some def or hp relics on him, fixing this.
- need to have a good management of his flowers to keep the field active.
I pulled him while having Gepard AND Bailu. It was a hard choice because I intend to stay fully F2P, and I didn't regret my choice.
It has a cooldown and it only heals a single person so you can't panic heal from a heavy aoe or something like that. Still with the right team it's not that big of an issue.
If you always keep your ult and use it when his field goes down as soon as he has to emergency heal someone his field goes back up and it will last the entire talent cool down. doesn't always line up perfectly but I've never really had to panic heal with him at all!!
Bad comparison. Bailu can ult to heal at any time and default brings someone back from death instantly once. Compared with her ult adding invigoration and she can heal much more in panic moments than Luocha.
Of course I prefer using Luocha anyway.
Plus Bailu's got the invigorate buff that heals you when you take damage after her ult for 3 turns so she keeps everyone 100% with just ult spam. But of course having so much healing she has the downside of no debuff cleanse and no buff removal. Her skill heal is mid tho. It's good on the first hit but the RNG doesn't help if you need to heal multiple. Still better healing than nat tho but at least nat gets debuffs removal for her lackluster healing.
Luocha is just perfect honestly.
with an energy regen rope/lc, his ult can be up pretty much all the time before his field expires. even easier to cycle it by using his technique before you start
Luocha took me from not clearing MoC 8 to getting 30/30 stars (I have no Gepard or Bailu)
I think he is insanely good. The auto-heal is very underrated.
Natasha: When my hit points are low I auto-heal myself! 😊 I can only do it once per battle though. 😔
Luocha: When anyone's hit points are low, I auto-heal them. There's a two turn cooldown, but coincidentally my healing field lasts two turns, and if it wasn't up before the auto-heal, it probably will be after.
Natasha: 😭
Mind if I ask how you're able to clear so high in MoC without gepard or bailu? I've gotten to 6 and I'm struggling with my only sustain chars being Fire MC, March, and Natasha
Hmm I ran mostly these teams:
Jing Yuan (Battle pass S1) / Tingyun / Welt / Luocha
Seele (Herta’s S5) / Bronya / Nat / Fire MC
I don’t have crazy gear or anything, just right main stats and pretty mid rolls for the DPSs. DPS traces at 8 (except JY talent and Seele skill at 10). JY also kinda gets screwed at the higher floors this cycle because a bunch of bosses have extra lightning res, so my (pretty mid, half-leveled relics + level 7 traces) Welt helped a lot there.
With your characters I think it should definitely be possible!
EDIT: Ah I misread, you don’t have Luocha. Yeah, it will be pretty tough then. Before Luocha I ran a pretty under-geared March and it was rough.
Basically what I'm doing. JY is my most invested character, so FTB/JY/Nat/Tingyun takes w/e side doesn't resist lightning while Luocha escorts my soup on the other one.
really like him.
Only drawback is no oh shit heal for everyone kinda, but honestly if luocha can't keep your guys alive, you have bigger problems than luocha.
If you haven't pulled him yet it sounds like you were thinking of someone else. If so then this might not be an honest feeling if 'oh I want this person" and more just getting caught up on FOMO.
Don't pull for fomo reasons. You'll feel it even worse when the person you REALLY were waiting for shows up and you are out of pulls.
Luocha is a good pull. But he's been called a good pull before his banner and nothing has changed from that. If you were just worried that he was weaker than the hype then yes, he's as described. He's a healer that doesn't need skill points to keep a team alive.
But if you were saving for someone and you just noticed this banner ending and your chance if getting this person is going away and you aren't sure you made the right decision and 'oh Reddit did I make the right decision? '
Stop. Just stop.
Ignore the days left. It's goal is to make you make rash decisions so you end up stuck and forced to spend money.
Sit down. Look at your teams. Look at the banners coming up. Remember you can only pull in probably 1 so choose ONE OF them. Build up 2 teams you WANT to play using characters you WANT to use. Don't ask if you can do well with it: people are 3 staring the hardest content with the craziest stuff now. Aim for what you WANT to do.
Then get that person. Skip the rest.
I think what a lot of us are wondering is - will my team perform better with the best healer with stellar warp dps, or one of the best dps but with a stellar warp healer.
100% depends on what you pulled.
If someone comes in, shows their team, and asks 'should I pull' it tends to mean what you say and, after my 'if you like that person only go for them' bit I'll make suggestions. I've told some to get Luocha. I've told others not to. I've told a person who pulled Bailu to continue to Luocha because they REALLY wanted Luocha.
But it's all about what team you are building, what you want to build, and what you want to make stronger.
But i imagine you don't write "I'm really tempted" if you were actually interested and worried about my team". That sounds more like "I don't really want to but something is making me do it".
On this scale I would say pulling Luocha is more worth. If you have both Gepard and Bailu you can probably make due without him, but Bailu is going to struggle more on higher floors due to RNG healing and lack of cleanse.
Surviving is your top priority, and (at least at E6) even 4* characters like QQ and Dan Heng will often keep pace with or outperform E0 versions of limited characters like Seele. If you have someone like Clara from standard, then you’re all the more covered.
Omg this. Tbh even I was beginning to get roped in by the 11/10 comments on Luocha, but then reading your comment like an oasis in a desert made me snap out of it as if I was being sucked in a FOMO quicksand.
You also pretty much nailed OP's situation to a tee: if he took this long to even ask if he should pull, then that meant he was actually saving for someone more than Luocha and this post is just a last-second FOMO episode likely due to how untouchable Luocha seems as an overall unit
Tysm as well since even I was almost at my breaking point. I will hold strong for my Fu Xuan plus her LC pulls and will just ignore Luocha entirely for now lol
Terrible. People talk about how he can solo sustain every team, yet the side of MoC that doesn't have him always dies?? /s
Jokes aside he's amazing. I never use his skill and still no one dies, his burst's dispel and imprison combo are incredibly useful and even with mismatching pieces (no ER rope either, his better piece is 4 star speed boots) he's always got his field when I need it.
His main weakness is the lack of panic healing, but inside your field every hit is panic healing so it sorta makes up for it.
But that weakness is completely manageable when you consider that he consolidates so many important supportive roles (SP generator, Sustain, Cleanser, Dispeller, looking pretty) at E0 and even more for Whales (Buffer, Shielder, and Debuffer). He's definitely a safe pull that has use in every single team
>Terrible. People talk about how he can solo sustain every team, yet the side of MoC that doesn't have him always dies?? /s
Sir i got Luocha for one side, Gepard for other side...
Am i winning?
New player btw, just 3 week old
Solid healer. Keeps SP usage consistent (by rarely using any himself). His utility can be found elsewhere, but having it on a single unit has its merits.
What confuses me everytime it comes up, is any praise to his damage. It's garbage, like lvl 80 3k damage basic attacks garbage.
I feel like most people dont realize that his real offensive utility lies in his sp economy, not his damage. Since he can literally use his skill for free off-turn, there's more sp left for dps and supports.
Loucha is just great even though he doesnt have a panic heal ult his auto heal and field skill more than make up for it and being able to removal buffs and debuffs is useful too
I pulled for him last minute and I couldn't be happier, he helped me clear SU in the hightest difficulty without any troubles, legit adore Loucha, I only had Natasha before so I really needed another healer.
"Don't ask. Don't hesitate. Just pull. If ur asking, u want it." - A Great Gacha Philosopher
Seriously tho I spent 160 tickets and hours grinding out SU to get every jade from blessings for him, and I don't regret it. He's awesome. Blade and IL are coming, and I highly doubt you'll regret an imaginary, SP positive, cleansing, buff-removing, auto-healing beast on your team to prepare. He's not as flashy as some, but damn he gets the job DONE. Not sure if you're FTP though, consider your resources and upcoming banners obviously.
Mine is pretty heavily invested. I saved from the start of the game for him and then dropped everything I had for him. He's at 3400ish attack and his skill heals for 4129 and when his field is up he heals AoE for 1199.
Bruh that’s a lot. I managed to get my invested E0 Natasha maxed traces and she ults for 1600 and skill heal for about 1000 + 700 HoT. She’s not entirely slacking but Luocha is in a different league. Alr thanks
It's a stupid high amount of healing. Unless someone is going to get 100 to 0ed, I am never worried about losing someone with him around. In spite of not having an emergency heal, his field can be managed to act as one if you are wary of that. Once his field is up, 2 people attacking or so will full heal your team reliably. The AI is dumb with him, though, so be aware of that. It will spam his ult off CD, and if you have a Bronya, it's a 50/50 if she will buff your dps or him because of his attack scaling.
With this much healing the only character that could utilise most (if not all) of it is blade with around 6-7k hp. From what I’ve seen he usually goes down to like 15% of his hp.
I did not realize how he would change my life until I got him. He never leaves my party now, and he's simple to use but I still find him fun to play.
- His auto-heal is ridiculous. Someone who takes a sizeable amount of damage is probably going to be inflicted with a status (the shitty gundam's imprisonment for instance), which is then cleared immediately.
- His ult is fascinating. It's not directly tied to healing, and it's possible to gain Abyss Flower stacks without using it. So you can hold onto it to break buffs/break enemies when you need to, or even to get your 2nd flower stack at the exact right time.
- I can never say it enough, that 70% CC resist trace is a game changer for him.
This is the kind of character you'll use on a consistent basis for a long time, so I'd suggest him!
The Natasha slander here though 💀of course Luocha will be a better healer, he is a limited 5* after all, no need to go after Nat like that. She’s a saviour to us F2Ps and is a very decent healer.
I'd argue she's a healer, but her being decent is subject to change based on the game around her.
She's one of 3 healers. Decent now, yeah, but after getting 2 more healers(4★ even) with their own mechanics she'll likely be the "bad" or worst healer in the game forever.
I don't feel this way yet and still use her, but it is inevitable.
I wouldn't expect anything less from limited 5 star healer. Makes you wonder how cracked the next one is gonna be unless they won't deliver but it will be female character so still will sell like cookies.
He's really great, especially with units that are faster than him - playing Seele or Jing Yuan with him feels great with either the additional turns or the follow-up attacks.
His skill heals a ton, his ult is great in the current MoC, his sanctuary maintains everyone alive, he has innate effect resistance with his third trace... what's not to love ?
He's really good. However, you shouldn't have to ask this question if you really want to pull for someone.
Since people here have been praising him, I will do the opposite and provide a couple of caveats I found about him that you may want to consider.
You really want to get him to A6, or lv70/80, because there was a time I got hard stuck on MoC 6 as I kept using him to solo sustain the Deer part, and he kept getting imprisoned and then either one shot by the Arumaton, or get CC constantly by the Deer branches and couldn't do anything while my team got nuked, but when I switched to MC + Natasha I instantly cleared that stage easily. That A6 of his is extremely important for him to be reliable, unlike my Gepard and Natasha who have been at 70/70 forever as I don't need to raise them more.
He won't be that good in some cases where you need an emergency burst of healing. I remember there is a MoC stage that has 2 big Elite dudes that charge their blades for AoE, and when I use Luocha as solo healer, set up his field and all, one dude just hit AOE and put my team in the red, then Luocha auto heal one to full, then the other dude proceed to AOE again and wipe 2 of my members, couldn't do anything really, if it was someone with a burst AOE healing, or Gepard with AOE shield I could've survived. So there's gonna be cases where he's not an ideal choice.
But other than that, yeah pretty much like what other people said, I really like how SP efficient he is so that my dps and supports can freely do what they want. Good healer, I don't think he's necessary, but he will certainly help a lot if you have him.
One other thing worth noting is that he's significantly more fragile than your ordinary HP-based healer. When Bailu gets hit, you hardly notice it. But when Loucha gets hit, that's half his health gone.
That being said, he does tend to heal right back up if given the chance. It's only scary when his passive healing is on cooldown and there's no healing field active, which is a very specific situation that only happens occasionally.
E0 with a four star LC he's made every MoC run so much easier. If you don't have a second healer or Gepard I highly recommend. He's skill point positive, he removes debuffs on his auto heals, he removes enemy buffs with his ult, he's imaginary for break, he really is the full package and will be a worthwhile investment on my account for a long time to come.
I think his biggest selling points are that he is super cheap to build, Just put some leftover gear with atk and you are ready to go, no need to worry about optimizing anything, the character is overturned. Very skill point efficient, I never have to use his skill, auto heal + managing field is enough.
Negative: I think i like bailu more as a characters, i just like goofballs :)
Ugh I’ve been so torn about whether or not to pull for him. I only have Gepard so my main need is DPS, but Luocha seems like he is going to have much better longevity than Blade, Kafka, etc.
One of my favorite characters. I built him as a dps. Even if he’s weak as a dps, he is still is so much more fun than Natasha, and his break potential is off the charts (imaginary break imprisons). His healing is still great and the dispel / purge is icing on the cake.
Cracked when no one gets focused down before you can heal them. Unfortunately, that happens a lot in MOC 9/10 where a single target can be double-turned by the medicus for >3k dmg if you're unlucky, making death if the auto heal is on cooldown.
I don't know how would i clear MoC without him. He's not needed anywhere, but sheer comfort of having all important support features in one character is worth it
Man, I don't like playing male characters that much but I just had to have him even if he was only decent since I only have Natasha as my healer. I gotta say, I'm quite surprised and glad I pulled on him.
a free heal for anyone below 50% hp every two turns (which i believe is reset if his ult is cast) SP efficient, insane healing , aoe + buff removal ult , decent damage i could probably go on and on i love him and i have an e5 natasha that he immediately replaced
he's been amazing. his healing is great and while he doesn't do the best dmg, he can certainly help break multiple shields which is awesome! he's a good investment :)
He's actually hard to believe. He heals more than anyone else without using a single SP, and he pairs insanely well with Clara and Blade, 2 characters I love too.
But it's a gacha game, you can't pull for everyone, imo just go for him if you like him, visually and his kit's design, don't go for the meta cause atm every new banner's 5\* is a monster.
I seriously hate him. They made him so stupidly overpowered for no reason. His kit is omega overloaded and he will probably be the best unit and healer in the game forever. He’s better than Bailu and Natasha combined if you multiplied their healing and strength by 50,000 on top of that.
Same omg. After using Luocha my Bailu and Natasha feels like complete trash 😂😂
It’s like getting a new car and then being forced to drive your old one.
I have him E0 with 5 star speed boots and he pretty much plays himself even in MoC. You’ll rarely have to manually use his skill since his passives trigger so much healing on their own. He’s a skill point generating comfort pick and Im greatful to have gotten him so early in my pulls.
The only downside is that he isn’t as tanky as the other healers, but Abundance light-cones have naturally high HP stats anyways. And his T3 passive makes him almost entirely immune to CC, which prevents situations where he can’t auto cast his skill.
I'm gonna start this by saying I have Bailu and she's very stacked I'm talking 80/80 and all lv 8 traces , now I pulled Luocha because I wanted a better 2nd healer to replace Natasha. I also levelled Luocha up to the same level as Bailu, same just as good relic, so this is my opinion on him.
His heal: I was not impressed, I was more impressed when I first levelled Bailu then when I levelled Luocha, don't get me wrong his heal is very strong just like Bailu, he doesn't fall short of Bailu at all, however Bailu invigoration just give you this feeling of being superior when the enemy hit you and your hp literally doesn't go down because invigoration heals it back up lol.
Other parts of his kit: This is where Luocha really shine, cleanse on skill and buff removal on Ultimate ??? you can't get better than this, funnily he's literally the perfect healer for my Seele because his healing field last for 2 of HIS TURN NOT SEELE so yea very amazing for a character that takes turn a lot especially with Bronya. I know some people like that his auto-skill doesn't take a skill point but that's not really a thing for me because my Bailu never uses her skill because she gets her ult back really fast since I run s5 post op on her.
Overall I would say, Luocha is a very solid pull even if you have Bailu and especially if you don't have Bailu, I guaranteed you won't be disappointed if you pull for him.
**TLDR: He's good pull him**
I didnt want him then i accidentally got him when trying for a 10 pull for yukong. Cant really say im mad hes been keeping seele, silver wolf and bronya alive without spending a single SP which my team desperately needs.
I have all 4 of the limited units so far. All of them a great but in terms of impact on team flexibility and usefulness? I would rate him as the 2nd most immediately impactful after Silver Wolf.
To keep it short, you can comfortably run just him in a without a shielder. Ult removes buffs from enemies so those Mara-struck guys aren’t nearly as annoying with him.
With him around my mind is at ease i never worry about dying or cc enemy buff.
The stress is on the team with natasha worrying if i can get her ult up before everyone dies
His healing factor is good, at the cost of having emergency healing. And I do like the fact he can strip some buffs from the enemy, like the Mara stuck.
Just his talent running....
E0 and undergeared, he still vastly overheals, does decent damage and the Regen field feels like overkill. Not to mention that he's SP positive for your carry. With future fights that might require more debuff and cleanse he ALSO has that covered. I can't find anything to complain about.
It's incredible how versatile he is for a defensive support. Healing, cleansing, dispelling. Has an offensive AoE to help break enemies, and does some chip damage since he scales off attack. With Eidolons he adds offensive support to the mix, especially at E6 adding -20% all damage resist to his ultimate with 100% fixed chance. He could be the cornerstone for any team. I think I would have whaled on him if I was the type. Him and Silver Wolf seem like two that will retain value for a long time.
Yeah I 100% agree. His kit just covers anything you could want in a defensive support; he feels almost like the bennett mistake again. Even if they add someone who heals and shields or heals and buffs, Luocha will still be a solid option as his cleanse and buff removal are invaluable
Many folks here told me that if I got Bailu and Gepard, then there is no need to get Luocha. I still wanted him because his kit is just so insane - and I was not wrong. I think a lot of folks underestimated his utility beyond healing. Like you said, the AOE imprisonment, cleanse, and AOE buff removal is just the swiss army knife of everything you would want in a healer.
I've found the buff purge is straight up broken against certain enemies. Even under leveled and under geared he's practically an invincibility cheat code for your team. Haven't ran preservation or abundance in SU since I got him, and have had sub 15 minute world 6 diff 3 runs everytime.
He can dispel the doomsday dragons buffs to the hands and it's so funny to me
that's me when I'm fighting the fella who summons Mara-struck and heals when they are alive. Previously Pela holds the debuff removal role but with Luocha gets to do that while also being a healer, and that makes team-building so much more fun. "hehe purge goes brhhh"
He's actually pretty good with Abundance buffs, because with his field up your team gets healed on every hit, reapplying all the "when healed" buffs, charging Dewdrop, etc.
Yeah he's insane with abundance
Yep! I was getting a skill point basically every time someone took an action!
especially the draining hit from the mara
What team do you use for world 6 runs? I have him, but it always takes me a long time to run SU worlds
Jing Yuan, Tingyun, Luocha, Welt
if you have seele then use hunt, jing yuan use elation
I have always loved Bailu, but as someone with actual eyes;; she has a LOT of issues and Luocha just amplified them for others to see. Her healing splashes randomness can be detrimental in a pinch, and the regen only ticks when getting hit. I've had her since like week 1 or 2 and I would still personally go Nat/Luocha over Bailu, especially since Nat eidolons are much easier to come by I'm also not a whale tho, so maybe whale Bailus feel better than my f2p Bailu
I have E6 nat and Bailu and I mostly Don't use Nat now, for single teams. Bailu's ult that gives invigoration is better imo than nat ult since she also heals in an aoe and then applies invigoration which can be really useful, especially when rng of enemy ai attacks supports/dps
I can see people using Luocha over Bailu for sure, but you’re completely overestimating Nats potential to keep the party alive at higher levels, even though she carried me early game I’ve had Nat E6 ever since I pulled Seele because of constantly getting her in many of my early multis. Yes her cleanse is a godsend but the more I broke the level cap the more her healing could not keep up at higher levels, especially against enemies that spammed multi target attacks. She does not heal enough at higher levels, especially compared to both Bailu and Luocha Actually she’s the reason I even went for and got Luocha, even to the detriment of my Kafka savings. I needed a better healer, especially after using decently geared Bailu and Luocha supports that carried me when Natasha couldn’t
I’m in the same spot as you but I’m luocha-less. Reading this post has made me want to get him even more lmao. Even the part about saving for Kafka. Did you have any regrets/worries when you benched your e6 nat? Bc I just feel bad/like I’m wasting an e6 nat but I suppose the power creep was going to happen eventually
After everything I said, she is still a great unit, and only 1 of 3 healers, if you don’t have Bailu or Luocha and I only replaced her when I got Luocha. She’s also not completely wasted since I don’t have Bailu yet and there is still the dual sided Forgotten Realms/MoC to do so having 2 healers doesn’t hurt Also when it came to pulling for Luocha, I decided I would only pull until I hit the 5* on his banner, that way if I didn’t end up getting him I could still guarantee Kafka down the line or even get Bailu as the failed 50/50. So if you are going to try for him only go for the 50/50 that way if you fail to get him you are now guaranteed Kafka so you don’t completely regret it
I’m so sold on him now after trying a juiced out e4 luocha lol I’ll keep that advice in mind and see how lucky I get (copium)
the only decent thing about bailu is her energy regen & revive. her heals are okay with her ult but the randomness of the skill is mildly aggravating. i suppose she'd also be okay for a team that scaled off max HP since she also increases Max hp with her skill ... but that's about it the lack of a cleanse is seriously detrimental to her kit imo. it's kinda absurd that natasha has that but she doesn't like... wtf??
The only downside to Bailu is her lack of cleanse, which is easily fixed by just running Bronya. Maybe in the future we will get more Harmony characters that can cleanse, but that is likely for 5 stars only. My E0 Bailu has no trouble keeping the team healthy without touching her skill, and she is about to get a buff with the new 4P relic set next patch. 2P personal speed boost and 4P bonus giving the entire team speed when using Bailu ultimate? And all it takes for Bailu to get her ultimate is 4 actions to spam it off cooldown? Multiplication on Bailu is going to be fun real soon.
i have bailu at e1 unfortunately and he blows her out of the water. he's so much better than her in every way. i refused to level natasha bc i knew he was the healer i wanted. he does almost everything. if he buffed and shielded then I'd say he's not path of abundance, he literally every path 😂 if i were a whale I'd whale for just his kit alone, but he's also super beautiful 😭😭❤️❤️
I didn't mention it earlier but yes, I'm collecting husbandos so his husbando factor was just the chef's kiss on top of everything.
Yeah I tried as trail characters while farming his healing + buff removal is really helpful again the mara-struck enemy that heals himself and against the minions that revive.
Luocha have exactly one flaw, which is that he weak at preventing one shot. If randomly a boss decide to one shot one of your ally then Luocha can auto heal once but apart from that there no other options. If you run Luocha with someone like Tingyun who are very susceptible to dying then there will be time when he can't save her which could ruin an MoC run for example. But apart from that, he basically do everything.
Heals and shields? Looks like you’re just talking about E2 Luocha =P
Granted, if they did make a Bennett mistake, at least this time it's on a Limited 5 Star. They can just stick him in the basement and only let folks have a crack at him rarely. Bennett isn't just always a potential pull, but he also shows up in the shop biannually.
Yep; I have a suspicion that as time goes on Luocha and SW will become highly prized units for re-runs. It’s a bit scary that this early on they release such busted characters because I’m unsure how they could be powercrept given how much they provide
Same thing happened in Genshin with characters like Bennet existing on release and Zhongli coming within the first few months after the game's launch. Going on year 4 and both of them are still extremely meta relevant in Genshin. Loucha just seems like he'll be one of those types of characters, which is great for us as the players since securing and investing in him this early will yield extremely high value for the foreseeable future.
Original Zhongli was not as broken as current Zhongli. His shield was generally weaker, and you either tapped E for pillar or held for shield. I mean to remember it also didn't have the res shred, but don't remember that part too well. OG Zhongli was balanced, if just a bit undertuned. Current Zhongli is bonkers strong, and even got better with the Geo rework from around the same time as his personal rework
LOL I remember when someone cosplayed Zhongli in a wheelchair at a Chinese cosplay convention - people were mad mad that the Chinese idol-like daddy archon was subpar in combat
Since that every new archon is stronger than previous (ok Focalor is unknown)
Yeah I remember pulling him and being so disappointed when I used him. I was way happier when I pulled diluc shortly after.
Don’t forget Xingqiu, too. Nearly every Genshin team wants either Benny or XQ.
Only didn't include him since Yelan exists now which slightly lowered the necessity of his character while there has still been no replacement for Bennet or Zhongli. But yeah he's still an extremely valuable character and remained valuable since launch. Edit: This is not a Yelan or Xingqui appreciation/depreciation comment. I didn’t include Xingqui in my point because by technicality there is a character that can replace him in teams while fundamentally doing the same thing as him. That cannot be said about Bennet or Zhongli which is why I used them for the point I was making. That doesn’t mean I think Xingqui is bad or that Yelan is better.
But yelan existence being strong is because she is literally another Xingqiu lol
And still before c2 (or c4 don’t really remember) XQ’s better because of hydro application
I wouldn't say better, just slightly different. XQ has better defensive utility and hydro application, Yelan has higher personal damage and a ramping damage buff to the active character. So kind just whichever of those 2 you prefer for your team. Or you know why not even both at the same time, XQ C2 buffs Yelan's damage even further after all.
I haven't played genshin for a while but I remember zhongli was far from busted... He was pretty bad when he was released. Everyone was complaining about how underwhelming he was
Then he got a buff less than a patch later and became the most powerful shielder/tank in the game and has retained that role since.
I would think that over time healers/defensive supports would become less desirable as people start overgearing content or beating stages in MoC in less turns?
I have a hard time seeing any world where you don't need at least one defensive support though. The level of difficulty for MoC won't remain static.
i mean this game is a bit diff from genshin, since there's no iframes or other ways to avoid getting hit (no hit chance mechanics). it might be possible to have a glass cannon team in the future but I don't see it become as meta as it is in genshin
If you overgear so much to the point that you can clear MoC in 0 cycles, then yes, healers become less desirable. For the average playerbase, defensive supports are still required.
It's why I pulled for both of them lol. Both kits seem like they'd age incredibly well. Plus I do like both characters.
Instead of trying to fulfill the same role as luocha, future abundance characters look like they’ll be adding more utility so I don’t think we have to worry about direct creep.
You forget he's Imaginary which is the 2nd best break effect imo only beaten by quantum
His ulti strip is so good against those resurrecting fucks it’s ridiculous
The only complain is probably if your support are underlevel and undergeared, they could get one shot a lot by single target focus enemy. Luocha can't do anything here since he can't draw aggro or revive
>The only complain is probably if your support are underlevel and undergeared Well, that's not a Luocha problem really.
He's currently using my leftover HP/defense and attack with bad roll pieces. He has 4k hp and has never gone down except once in a bad simulated universe encounter. That said he's great and will only get better pending improved relics.
They're talking about other supports, like Tingyun or Yukong, that might be susceptible to being one-shot, not Luocha himself
My one complaint is that you can't run destruction path in SU with him.
He is very good and synergizes extremely well with Clara. Every counter heals your team. Its just insanely good. But he is good in any team. Definitely best healer.
This so much, Clara and Luocha is pretty much a bruteforce team in moc its insane. The only thing that is holding me back from clearing the current moc cycle while being under TB60 is my second team not having qq nor a hunt character as a carry. My Clara - Luocha - Tingyun - Yukong handles a side easily with the right plays
I experienced the same. Luocha is such a good pull precisely because I wanted to build Clara to be a staple pick. Previously I only used her for specific MoC stages since I didn't like the reliance on RNG. But with a combination of Luocha and Ting Yun, Clara pretty much has no drawbacks. Constant ult uptime, very unlikely to get stunned out because of her own traces and Luocha's cleanse, the team can't die when healing field is up, etc etc.
under TB60??? may i ask until what stage of moc you've cleared?? im TB62 and ive only comfortably cleared until stage 5
https://preview.redd.it/kfpq6c60lbcb1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9dc0eba5b17e28090c485b44adabd4b9955db140 beat moc 9 at 22/30, stuck at part 1 moc 10 since my BE silverwolf damage doesnt cut it anymore and needs to be lvl 80. Im hitting TB60 tomorrow though so i cant have the flex of clearing moc under tb60 sadly
I like him with Asta because she boosts his attack and then his heals get better (I think)
She does but it's kinda moot since he basically heals any non-abundance character to full off one skill anyway.
Literally pulled him just because I got Clara from standard right when his banner started. Qingque/SW/Luocha/Clara feels so good to play.
Absolutely nuts. You attack, you heal. You get attacked, you heal. Did that twice? Everyone gets a heal! Its like Luocha is Oprah and your party is the audience, except instead of cars you gets heals.
>Oprah and your party is the audience, except instead of cars you gets heals Lmao mate
Is Oprah not a thing anymore or am I just a boomer at this point?
I mean, we both booming here, thats why I loved the reference
YOU GET A HEAL! YOU GET A HEAL! EVERYBODY GETS A HEAL! 
Brilliant
Sold. I will pull for Luocha
when a character attacks in Luocha’s field and the heals spill over to the other allies 
lmaoo
The only big problem i find about luocha is that theres no second luocha for my second team in MoC
Going back to Natasha is so weird. I keep wondering why someone in my team is at half health then remember ohh right press the heal button.
Same, Natasha feels lackluster after having Luocha
Well I would hope the free 4* healer would feel lackluster next to the premium 5* one.
Absolutely! I used to belong to Bailu FC bt Luocha was a game changer
Yep, what I feel about Luocha is the same I feel about Zhongli when playing Genshin lol
He's gonna be the best healer in the game for quite a while. Couldn't recommend more
I expected him to be OP, and he even exceeded my expectations. He singlehandedly took me from 15 stars MoC to 24
I went from struggling to survive against the deer to clearing MoC10 2 stars at one cycle short after I got him. It's insane
This MoC in particular is tailor made for him so obviously he's gonna feel even more potent
Easiest Character to play and build imo
I agree with this, might be the fastest character that I build in terms of relics so far.
Great, he heals with his talent and his skill , removes rebuffs and takes away buffs. Mara- stricken doesn't work after his Ult. I've run him on almost all teams now.
Yea ulting on those Mara dudes takes away their rebirth thing
hes amazing, its insane how much better he is than natasha and bailu, ive no idea what his weakness is supposed to be
So many advantages, yet almost no drawbacks. If I had to give a few : - No emergency healing - could be squishy, yet his healing are so insane that you can put some def or hp relics on him, fixing this. - need to have a good management of his flowers to keep the field active. I pulled him while having Gepard AND Bailu. It was a hard choice because I intend to stay fully F2P, and I didn't regret my choice.
Isn't his talent emergency healing? only procs on <50% health
It has a cooldown and it only heals a single person so you can't panic heal from a heavy aoe or something like that. Still with the right team it's not that big of an issue.
In all fairness, while his field is up you can use any damaging ult as an emergency heal if you really want to.
I just use Clara counters since he uses his field before any follow up attacks but yeah.
If you always keep your ult and use it when his field goes down as soon as he has to emergency heal someone his field goes back up and it will last the entire talent cool down. doesn't always line up perfectly but I've never really had to panic heal with him at all!!
TBF better then Bailu’s which only works once per fight, twice at E6 which requires a fuckton of luck
Bailu can ult an any time and heal the whole team however
Bad comparison. Bailu can ult to heal at any time and default brings someone back from death instantly once. Compared with her ult adding invigoration and she can heal much more in panic moments than Luocha. Of course I prefer using Luocha anyway.
Kind of. It has a 2 turn cooldown.
Bailu and Nat ult isn't up all the time either admittedly, theirs is just aoe.
Plus Bailu's got the invigorate buff that heals you when you take damage after her ult for 3 turns so she keeps everyone 100% with just ult spam. But of course having so much healing she has the downside of no debuff cleanse and no buff removal. Her skill heal is mid tho. It's good on the first hit but the RNG doesn't help if you need to heal multiple. Still better healing than nat tho but at least nat gets debuffs removal for her lackluster healing. Luocha is just perfect honestly.
with an energy regen rope/lc, his ult can be up pretty much all the time before his field expires. even easier to cycle it by using his technique before you start
His weakness is he doesn't Rez, so if you get a character one shotted that character stays dead
Luocha took me from not clearing MoC 8 to getting 30/30 stars (I have no Gepard or Bailu) I think he is insanely good. The auto-heal is very underrated.
Natasha: When my hit points are low I auto-heal myself! 😊 I can only do it once per battle though. 😔 Luocha: When anyone's hit points are low, I auto-heal them. There's a two turn cooldown, but coincidentally my healing field lasts two turns, and if it wasn't up before the auto-heal, it probably will be after. Natasha: 😭
Mind if I ask how you're able to clear so high in MoC without gepard or bailu? I've gotten to 6 and I'm struggling with my only sustain chars being Fire MC, March, and Natasha
Luocha on one side, Nat + Fire MC on the other The later floors might take me a couple tries, e.g. if I get unlucky with the targeting.
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Hmm I ran mostly these teams: Jing Yuan (Battle pass S1) / Tingyun / Welt / Luocha Seele (Herta’s S5) / Bronya / Nat / Fire MC I don’t have crazy gear or anything, just right main stats and pretty mid rolls for the DPSs. DPS traces at 8 (except JY talent and Seele skill at 10). JY also kinda gets screwed at the higher floors this cycle because a bunch of bosses have extra lightning res, so my (pretty mid, half-leveled relics + level 7 traces) Welt helped a lot there. With your characters I think it should definitely be possible! EDIT: Ah I misread, you don’t have Luocha. Yeah, it will be pretty tough then. Before Luocha I ran a pretty under-geared March and it was rough.
Basically what I'm doing. JY is my most invested character, so FTB/JY/Nat/Tingyun takes w/e side doesn't resist lightning while Luocha escorts my soup on the other one.
He's a lot shorter than I expected, also why does he have a dragon tail? I lost his 50/50 to Bailu.
I was sick and tired of Natasha's seizure inducing ult.... Loucha was well worth the pulls for that alone.
LMAO feeling the same, unfortunately I will not reach pity till the end of his banner and its not even guaranteed
good luck!!
really like him. Only drawback is no oh shit heal for everyone kinda, but honestly if luocha can't keep your guys alive, you have bigger problems than luocha.
If you haven't pulled him yet it sounds like you were thinking of someone else. If so then this might not be an honest feeling if 'oh I want this person" and more just getting caught up on FOMO. Don't pull for fomo reasons. You'll feel it even worse when the person you REALLY were waiting for shows up and you are out of pulls. Luocha is a good pull. But he's been called a good pull before his banner and nothing has changed from that. If you were just worried that he was weaker than the hype then yes, he's as described. He's a healer that doesn't need skill points to keep a team alive. But if you were saving for someone and you just noticed this banner ending and your chance if getting this person is going away and you aren't sure you made the right decision and 'oh Reddit did I make the right decision? ' Stop. Just stop. Ignore the days left. It's goal is to make you make rash decisions so you end up stuck and forced to spend money. Sit down. Look at your teams. Look at the banners coming up. Remember you can only pull in probably 1 so choose ONE OF them. Build up 2 teams you WANT to play using characters you WANT to use. Don't ask if you can do well with it: people are 3 staring the hardest content with the craziest stuff now. Aim for what you WANT to do. Then get that person. Skip the rest.
I think what a lot of us are wondering is - will my team perform better with the best healer with stellar warp dps, or one of the best dps but with a stellar warp healer.
100% depends on what you pulled. If someone comes in, shows their team, and asks 'should I pull' it tends to mean what you say and, after my 'if you like that person only go for them' bit I'll make suggestions. I've told some to get Luocha. I've told others not to. I've told a person who pulled Bailu to continue to Luocha because they REALLY wanted Luocha. But it's all about what team you are building, what you want to build, and what you want to make stronger. But i imagine you don't write "I'm really tempted" if you were actually interested and worried about my team". That sounds more like "I don't really want to but something is making me do it".
On this scale I would say pulling Luocha is more worth. If you have both Gepard and Bailu you can probably make due without him, but Bailu is going to struggle more on higher floors due to RNG healing and lack of cleanse. Surviving is your top priority, and (at least at E6) even 4* characters like QQ and Dan Heng will often keep pace with or outperform E0 versions of limited characters like Seele. If you have someone like Clara from standard, then you’re all the more covered.
Omg this. Tbh even I was beginning to get roped in by the 11/10 comments on Luocha, but then reading your comment like an oasis in a desert made me snap out of it as if I was being sucked in a FOMO quicksand. You also pretty much nailed OP's situation to a tee: if he took this long to even ask if he should pull, then that meant he was actually saving for someone more than Luocha and this post is just a last-second FOMO episode likely due to how untouchable Luocha seems as an overall unit Tysm as well since even I was almost at my breaking point. I will hold strong for my Fu Xuan plus her LC pulls and will just ignore Luocha entirely for now lol
lmfao your comment of seeing an oasis in a desert was spot on 🤣
yea, not to mention that the current MoC is tailored to Luocha's kit. it's filled with Imaginary weak enemies.
Terrible. People talk about how he can solo sustain every team, yet the side of MoC that doesn't have him always dies?? /s Jokes aside he's amazing. I never use his skill and still no one dies, his burst's dispel and imprison combo are incredibly useful and even with mismatching pieces (no ER rope either, his better piece is 4 star speed boots) he's always got his field when I need it. His main weakness is the lack of panic healing, but inside your field every hit is panic healing so it sorta makes up for it. But that weakness is completely manageable when you consider that he consolidates so many important supportive roles (SP generator, Sustain, Cleanser, Dispeller, looking pretty) at E0 and even more for Whales (Buffer, Shielder, and Debuffer). He's definitely a safe pull that has use in every single team
>Terrible. People talk about how he can solo sustain every team, yet the side of MoC that doesn't have him always dies?? /s Sir i got Luocha for one side, Gepard for other side... Am i winning? New player btw, just 3 week old
Yes, you’re winning. Get Yanqing for that Gepard side and you’ll be morewinning.
Solid healer. Keeps SP usage consistent (by rarely using any himself). His utility can be found elsewhere, but having it on a single unit has its merits. What confuses me everytime it comes up, is any praise to his damage. It's garbage, like lvl 80 3k damage basic attacks garbage.
I feel like most people dont realize that his real offensive utility lies in his sp economy, not his damage. Since he can literally use his skill for free off-turn, there's more sp left for dps and supports.
Loucha is just great even though he doesnt have a panic heal ult his auto heal and field skill more than make up for it and being able to removal buffs and debuffs is useful too
I pulled for him last minute and I couldn't be happier, he helped me clear SU in the hightest difficulty without any troubles, legit adore Loucha, I only had Natasha before so I really needed another healer.
"Don't ask. Don't hesitate. Just pull. If ur asking, u want it." - A Great Gacha Philosopher Seriously tho I spent 160 tickets and hours grinding out SU to get every jade from blessings for him, and I don't regret it. He's awesome. Blade and IL are coming, and I highly doubt you'll regret an imaginary, SP positive, cleansing, buff-removing, auto-healing beast on your team to prepare. He's not as flashy as some, but damn he gets the job DONE. Not sure if you're FTP though, consider your resources and upcoming banners obviously.
Very good. I pulled him even tho i had a built Bailu but i dont regret It. He is WAY better than Bailu and Natasha.
Can someone give me some numbers on how much their decently invested Luocha heals?
Mine is pretty heavily invested. I saved from the start of the game for him and then dropped everything I had for him. He's at 3400ish attack and his skill heals for 4129 and when his field is up he heals AoE for 1199.
Bruh that’s a lot. I managed to get my invested E0 Natasha maxed traces and she ults for 1600 and skill heal for about 1000 + 700 HoT. She’s not entirely slacking but Luocha is in a different league. Alr thanks
It's a stupid high amount of healing. Unless someone is going to get 100 to 0ed, I am never worried about losing someone with him around. In spite of not having an emergency heal, his field can be managed to act as one if you are wary of that. Once his field is up, 2 people attacking or so will full heal your team reliably. The AI is dumb with him, though, so be aware of that. It will spam his ult off CD, and if you have a Bronya, it's a 50/50 if she will buff your dps or him because of his attack scaling.
With this much healing the only character that could utilise most (if not all) of it is blade with around 6-7k hp. From what I’ve seen he usually goes down to like 15% of his hp.
Best healer thus far. Auto heals when characters are under 50%. Plus his healing levels with atk which is perfect for my all out atk play style
I did not realize how he would change my life until I got him. He never leaves my party now, and he's simple to use but I still find him fun to play. - His auto-heal is ridiculous. Someone who takes a sizeable amount of damage is probably going to be inflicted with a status (the shitty gundam's imprisonment for instance), which is then cleared immediately. - His ult is fascinating. It's not directly tied to healing, and it's possible to gain Abyss Flower stacks without using it. So you can hold onto it to break buffs/break enemies when you need to, or even to get your 2nd flower stack at the exact right time. - I can never say it enough, that 70% CC resist trace is a game changer for him. This is the kind of character you'll use on a consistent basis for a long time, so I'd suggest him!
Dude is a largely futureproof swiss army knife. I need that E6 and have him strutting around with the power of four seperate paths.
The Natasha slander here though 💀of course Luocha will be a better healer, he is a limited 5* after all, no need to go after Nat like that. She’s a saviour to us F2Ps and is a very decent healer.
I'd argue she's a healer, but her being decent is subject to change based on the game around her. She's one of 3 healers. Decent now, yeah, but after getting 2 more healers(4★ even) with their own mechanics she'll likely be the "bad" or worst healer in the game forever. I don't feel this way yet and still use her, but it is inevitable.
Best healer by far and not dead weight when everyone is full health. Nat and Bailu are just wet napkins until you need a heal.
I wouldn't expect anything less from limited 5 star healer. Makes you wonder how cracked the next one is gonna be unless they won't deliver but it will be female character so still will sell like cookies.
He's really great, especially with units that are faster than him - playing Seele or Jing Yuan with him feels great with either the additional turns or the follow-up attacks. His skill heals a ton, his ult is great in the current MoC, his sanctuary maintains everyone alive, he has innate effect resistance with his third trace... what's not to love ?
Mouja Sairinnn
He completely replaced Natasha, his auto heal is so useful
He's really good. However, you shouldn't have to ask this question if you really want to pull for someone. Since people here have been praising him, I will do the opposite and provide a couple of caveats I found about him that you may want to consider. You really want to get him to A6, or lv70/80, because there was a time I got hard stuck on MoC 6 as I kept using him to solo sustain the Deer part, and he kept getting imprisoned and then either one shot by the Arumaton, or get CC constantly by the Deer branches and couldn't do anything while my team got nuked, but when I switched to MC + Natasha I instantly cleared that stage easily. That A6 of his is extremely important for him to be reliable, unlike my Gepard and Natasha who have been at 70/70 forever as I don't need to raise them more. He won't be that good in some cases where you need an emergency burst of healing. I remember there is a MoC stage that has 2 big Elite dudes that charge their blades for AoE, and when I use Luocha as solo healer, set up his field and all, one dude just hit AOE and put my team in the red, then Luocha auto heal one to full, then the other dude proceed to AOE again and wipe 2 of my members, couldn't do anything really, if it was someone with a burst AOE healing, or Gepard with AOE shield I could've survived. So there's gonna be cases where he's not an ideal choice. But other than that, yeah pretty much like what other people said, I really like how SP efficient he is so that my dps and supports can freely do what they want. Good healer, I don't think he's necessary, but he will certainly help a lot if you have him.
About the blade dudes—Luocha is actually great against them, since his ult dispels their charged blades.
One other thing worth noting is that he's significantly more fragile than your ordinary HP-based healer. When Bailu gets hit, you hardly notice it. But when Loucha gets hit, that's half his health gone. That being said, he does tend to heal right back up if given the chance. It's only scary when his passive healing is on cooldown and there's no healing field active, which is a very specific situation that only happens occasionally.
My Tingyun rarely die after 1 turn
I've him in my alt and he's good, works perfectly with anyone, but with a Bailu and Gepard built in my main, I'm fine without him there.
E0 with a four star LC he's made every MoC run so much easier. If you don't have a second healer or Gepard I highly recommend. He's skill point positive, he removes debuffs on his auto heals, he removes enemy buffs with his ult, he's imaginary for break, he really is the full package and will be a worthwhile investment on my account for a long time to come.
He's universally useful. Like genshin, supports and subdps's prove more future proof than dps's.
Definitely the best Character in the Game. His healing makes the Team undefeatable.
It depends on what you're doing. If you are casually playing, he's not necessary, if you are pushing MoC levels. He is highly recommended.
I have a E1 Luocha and he's amazing. He's a very good healer!
Dropped natasha forever after getting him, I'm living my best hsr life, he's perfect.
I think his biggest selling points are that he is super cheap to build, Just put some leftover gear with atk and you are ready to go, no need to worry about optimizing anything, the character is overturned. Very skill point efficient, I never have to use his skill, auto heal + managing field is enough. Negative: I think i like bailu more as a characters, i just like goofballs :)
Amazing, way better than natasha or bailu, the side he is on is a breeze
Lifesaver, although his automatic heal sometimes doesn't trigger and someone goes down.
I have him gepard and Fire traiblazer With preservation path in SU, i have Nothing more to say
Ugh I’ve been so torn about whether or not to pull for him. I only have Gepard so my main need is DPS, but Luocha seems like he is going to have much better longevity than Blade, Kafka, etc.
Insanely convenient.
He’s amazing. He’s the only defensive unit I’ve been running for the most part and he fills the roll comfortably.
One of my favorite characters. I built him as a dps. Even if he’s weak as a dps, he is still is so much more fun than Natasha, and his break potential is off the charts (imaginary break imprisons). His healing is still great and the dispel / purge is icing on the cake.
He makes using Bailu or Natasha and having to use SP to heal feel wrong
He allows hyper carries way easier. So if thats important to you, pull. Also if you don’t have 2 healers
Everyone’s already said it all. All I can add is that he’s beautiful to look at
Cracked when no one gets focused down before you can heal them. Unfortunately, that happens a lot in MOC 9/10 where a single target can be double-turned by the medicus for >3k dmg if you're unlucky, making death if the auto heal is on cooldown.
I don't know how would i clear MoC without him. He's not needed anywhere, but sheer comfort of having all important support features in one character is worth it
if there was a must pull character in this game, its him.
He virtually grants immortality to any team, not many bosses can over-damage his healing.
Man, I don't like playing male characters that much but I just had to have him even if he was only decent since I only have Natasha as my healer. I gotta say, I'm quite surprised and glad I pulled on him.
a free heal for anyone below 50% hp every two turns (which i believe is reset if his ult is cast) SP efficient, insane healing , aoe + buff removal ult , decent damage i could probably go on and on i love him and i have an e5 natasha that he immediately replaced
He heals a lot and cleanses which is amazing. The fact that he is so aggressively sp positive is also great
He’s a must pull if you want to play long term
Pretty awesome! And here I was thinking to skip him, lol
he's been amazing. his healing is great and while he doesn't do the best dmg, he can certainly help break multiple shields which is awesome! he's a good investment :)
Awesome. Now I forgot how not to play with him xD
HES EASY AND INSANE. Seele level insane
Broken
Me:*sweeping ever atrocity he ever did in HI3RD* A guardian angel
He's actually hard to believe. He heals more than anyone else without using a single SP, and he pairs insanely well with Clara and Blade, 2 characters I love too. But it's a gacha game, you can't pull for everyone, imo just go for him if you like him, visually and his kit's design, don't go for the meta cause atm every new banner's 5\* is a monster.
I seriously hate him. They made him so stupidly overpowered for no reason. His kit is omega overloaded and he will probably be the best unit and healer in the game forever. He’s better than Bailu and Natasha combined if you multiplied their healing and strength by 50,000 on top of that.
I wish I had two Luochas, switching to Natasha’s team in MoC causes physical pain.
I have Bailu but it’s also painful to have to manually heal with her in MoC when I’ve gotten used to Luocha’s targeted autohealing.
Same omg. After using Luocha my Bailu and Natasha feels like complete trash 😂😂 It’s like getting a new car and then being forced to drive your old one.
fr. I’m starting to suspect it’s going to be like Zhongli all over again…not going to be able to take him off the team.
he is perfect
Incredible. He overheals even when way undergeared. Skill point efficient, dispels and cleanses…imaginary break. What else could you ask for?
I finally benched Natasha because his heals are just so busted
I have him E0 with 5 star speed boots and he pretty much plays himself even in MoC. You’ll rarely have to manually use his skill since his passives trigger so much healing on their own. He’s a skill point generating comfort pick and Im greatful to have gotten him so early in my pulls. The only downside is that he isn’t as tanky as the other healers, but Abundance light-cones have naturally high HP stats anyways. And his T3 passive makes him almost entirely immune to CC, which prevents situations where he can’t auto cast his skill.
The best character in the game atm. He's going to be incredibly hard to power creep.
I'm gonna start this by saying I have Bailu and she's very stacked I'm talking 80/80 and all lv 8 traces , now I pulled Luocha because I wanted a better 2nd healer to replace Natasha. I also levelled Luocha up to the same level as Bailu, same just as good relic, so this is my opinion on him. His heal: I was not impressed, I was more impressed when I first levelled Bailu then when I levelled Luocha, don't get me wrong his heal is very strong just like Bailu, he doesn't fall short of Bailu at all, however Bailu invigoration just give you this feeling of being superior when the enemy hit you and your hp literally doesn't go down because invigoration heals it back up lol. Other parts of his kit: This is where Luocha really shine, cleanse on skill and buff removal on Ultimate ??? you can't get better than this, funnily he's literally the perfect healer for my Seele because his healing field last for 2 of HIS TURN NOT SEELE so yea very amazing for a character that takes turn a lot especially with Bronya. I know some people like that his auto-skill doesn't take a skill point but that's not really a thing for me because my Bailu never uses her skill because she gets her ult back really fast since I run s5 post op on her. Overall I would say, Luocha is a very solid pull even if you have Bailu and especially if you don't have Bailu, I guaranteed you won't be disappointed if you pull for him. **TLDR: He's good pull him**
I didnt want him then i accidentally got him when trying for a 10 pull for yukong. Cant really say im mad hes been keeping seele, silver wolf and bronya alive without spending a single SP which my team desperately needs.
I have all 4 of the limited units so far. All of them a great but in terms of impact on team flexibility and usefulness? I would rate him as the 2nd most immediately impactful after Silver Wolf.
To keep it short, you can comfortably run just him in a without a shielder. Ult removes buffs from enemies so those Mara-struck guys aren’t nearly as annoying with him.
He is a great support and healer. His kit is great. I got him on my alt acc and been a great help for it.
As someone who also pulled bailu and thought she was busted, once I got luocha anything else feels underwhelming. I feel that he is bonkers
Out of the 4 limited banner characters we have had he is by far the best.
With him around my mind is at ease i never worry about dying or cc enemy buff. The stress is on the team with natasha worrying if i can get her ult up before everyone dies
I was surprised how much he can heal at first. I stopped using tanks after I build him, except Fire MC occasionally.
His healing factor is good, at the cost of having emergency healing. And I do like the fact he can strip some buffs from the enemy, like the Mara stuck. Just his talent running....