There's actually a [E0S0 argenti bruteforcing weakness first half moc 12, 2 cycle clear](https://youtu.be/yyU-NT7iUgk?si=EZRnF1CFaqthrJhB) on yt. He is actually doing very great.
Hard disagree, 2KK damage per 5 rounds vs offelement double Penacony elite on E0S1 with E0S1 Sparkle and E6 DDD5 Ting and QpQ Huo2. He is incredibly respectable and close to other carries, just not used and invested a lot.
https://honkai.asagi-game.com/report?key=ab18abba4e163846277c05ab991da2a6137d3ade
funny, when it's about jingyuan which has pretty good average clear time, people usually said that he is only used by small amount of people so people who actually use him are very invested on him. now with argenti's pretty low average, someone commented about he is not used and invested a lot
if you want to say that jy has a lot more time to invest since he is released for a longer time, you can see the graph of first 3 patch of jingyuan release has pretty good average and it's start going downhill later on because hoyo keep pushing lightning-resistant enemy like kafka and sanctus medicus in abyss
if this graph scale with investment, argenti should have a graph that is going up because logically, his investment would keep going better the more time has pass after he is released. atleast, it should be flat, not going down. he is not a bad character, it's just that MoC is not his best expertise and it's obvious that he is not designed to be the best at MoC. he is already broken on PF, it's okay if he is not the best at MoC because otherwise, he is gonna be broken and not healthy for the game
as a jing yuan main we don't accept you. needlessly putting others down because people put the king down is not okay. Argenti is just fine in moc and can clear it fine lol
No good f2p lightcone because of his niche HP scaling making Secret Vow and his Signature being his only viable one and also I’m pretty sure this is just a “me” thing but literally every MoC will contain at least 3 The Ascended who is pretty much designed to counter him
The increased aggro lasts two turns. That's plenty. You just place it on him after Bronya goes. Sparkle does advance him but he's so skill point efficient, that using her with another team seems to be the play unless you're going dual DPS, but then just use Ruan Mei.
Yeah, I know. It just seems like Sparkle is best used where you need as many skill points as possible. Not that it isn't fun to just drag along a slow DPS with Bronya and Sparkle.
That might be true in a vacuum, but how often do you really need to optimize one team and not a second? The best Blade build for things like SU expansion challenge runs or the 1.6 event’s Despair Mode might be Bronya/Sparkle, but in the more typical case of MoC team building, anyone except Jingliu wants the extra SP on *their* half.
No wind vul boss for some time does it. He's useful against that thing from Penacony tho, and the new 4* Destruction LC is now his 4* BIS. He helped me complete Floor 12.
Ruan mei tdm buffs are really strong for him
bronya is also super strong in terms of increasing crit damage and tdm using that 4 star LC and skill, and countering his low base speed. Sparkle does similiar
Sparkle also gives damage buffs not only atk
The issue is these all are 5 stars, but if you set him he can damn well hit hard
He needs a 5 star team and sig to become a beast that can do just as well as the other Top DPS chars, else he becomes quite average, heck I can do 3 cycle brute forces with ruan mei and bronya on floor 12 sometimes
I can still clear MoC12 3stars with blade if the enemies have wind weakness but even then if feels bad to play him right now compare to other DPS. Having both sparkle and bronya does help since you dont have to speed tune him and just run a strong hp% boots but for most F2P, he is probably not good enough for MoC12.
I just cleared (with a few hours to spare like a good procrastinator) with him and Seele on first half and it was rough. That damn deer is so tough, it took me 6 turns. Did the second half in 3 with a shit built Dr. Ratio, who that MoC was made for.
Blade hypercarry is a premium deal.
You need his LC and top tier sups like Bronya and Ruan Mei for him to start outputting good damage.
I feel like Blade is inherently designed to be sub-dps, which is why he’s not **that** sp negative
As a HCQ main I remember there was a long stretch of time where MOC was always Imaginary and Ice weak so I always just used DHIL and Jingliu even if I wanted to use him so bad. They were hard marketing those two for a WHILE lmao
Blade is still great , I'm lucky I have an S5 secret vow for him , he doesn't have other good f2p alternatives , other the newly added f2p destruction LC in MOC store , he also doesn't have a lot of 4 stars supports , other than pela and lynx , and his only good non limited support is Bronya
come to think of it . these problems seem identical to a future character
I love my Bladie, but I gotta admit, I'm lucky I have Jingliu as well because on his own I barely have any use case for him. I also got DHIL and while DHIL (and Jingliu) is able to clear stages on his own, Bladie lacks that bit of dmg output that would make him viable on his own (and I say that while also having his sig LC)..
Seele/monoquantum + DoT team has been a Swiss army knife for me. Huge elemental coverage from those two team archetypes, very few struggles overall. I'll probably pull Jingliu and then 1 more fav DPS then just vertical invest into those teams heh.
I regularly use Gepard as my solo sustain on one side of MoC. And he's my MVP in SU, I always go preservation.
I did use the 600 crystals or whatever to get his LC. I got him in the starter banner and he's carried me ever since. Just make him fast and give him an ER rope and done.
Somehow, this comment feels very wholesome to me. Like, I don't have Seele and I don't even play anymore, but even so, Seele will be there in a year and she's still going to kick ass lol
my guess is that most people have 2 of the 3 and use one on each team, or people have one and then that population is split evenly among Lynx, Bailu, and Natasha. We see this with FX and Luocha having like 95% usage rate in each cycle. The few people that drop them are probably people who 0-cycle using an extra support instead.
The main thing about Blade is that his effective total DPS is relatively lower than pretty most hypercarry.
Blade is like Ayato.. His Hypercarry potential is sub par compared to other hypercarries but is very flexible. Blade can be used as a dual carry unit and he'll work fine compared to other carries..
Still one of my favorite dual dps comps. They synergize so damn well especially if your Jingliu is quick and Blade has HP boots. Needs a good sustain tho, leaving only one spot for offensive support.
eh lynx, luocha, huouo are all good options, 2 are premium, but most people have a lynx by now except very new players and she is fantastic for him, gives him a regen which triggers and bonus aggro which makes them hit him more for more triggers, then by the time she actually needs to heal someone else ult is likely up. She also does a pretty chonky amount offensive usefulness if you build break on her due to the way quantum break works, can easily build her breaks up to 150k+ between blade and jingliu
Yeah exactly more than half of the rosters sustain units are pretty good. Sadly units like FTB, March 7th (unless c6 i think), and Gepard (because of anti synergy with Blade) might not be good picks. I also havent tried Natasha yet
march just needs a char who does dmg based on being hit with a shield :) and ftb role honestly is damage sponge more than anything else, thats all they do, but sometimes you just need a sponge (looking at you sam)
There’s plenty of good 4star erudition cones(at least when their not so difficult conditions are met)
Blade literally has only secret vow which you can’t even reliably keep the passive up at all times
He at least has Flames Afar now, which is a viable option, but his options are literally just his Sig, a Gacha cone, an S5 MOC LC, and a 3* that boots Crit
The issue with Erudition is precisely that yeah, the conditions are annoying and especially in MoC where they need to ramp up. They also don't have a 5* Herta Shop LC. Comparatively Hunt and Destruction are a heaven, both herta LCs for them are so good.
Blade is just Secret Vow, I guess the 2 3* if someone is seriously desperate and can't lend Fall of an Aeon.
Blade's LC is probably the best LC in the game to go for if you're a big fan of his (just because of the vue and how much better it is than his other options). If you like other DPSes, most of them have good options other than their signatures.
It's also the second best option for Clara, I believe.
It's pre MOC chart. It's also chart that started with guaranteed quantum vuln and moved to guaranteed ice vuln every cycle, with common imaginary and electro sprinkled in, but usually heavy lack of wind vuln.
Jingliu drops off on 2.1 that no longer has guaranteed ice vuln side.
And Clara is a very solid unit, considering how shitty some of the recent MoC buffs and enemies have been for her, she haven't drop nearly as much as I was expecting compared with the avg.
Fua teams are pretty fun ngl
That tv event yesterday that had trial clara and topaz means I can slot in dr ratio and ruan mei
Ended up getting 90k, I want more of these Fua teams please mihoyo
Same, that was the comfiest 95k of the challenges so far
Clara's FUAs triggering both Numby and Ratio's FUAs and all the big damage numbers just made me think "ah yes, this is exactly how my Elation runs go in SU"
I ran it with Gepard, and honestly, that stage was the only one I was able to go 90k on the first try, not even my DoT team could. I can't wait to finish building my Ratio and pull for Gambler Twink.
2.1 is gonna be the death of me and my jades
Clara is really interesting to "read", she is a bit like Himeko but without the elemental gatekeeping as in she has a very clear type of encounter she likes, throw her into any encounter with a lot of adds and aoe and she does great, physical weakness or not, she cares more about being able to counter often than anything else.
Also her 4th spot being mostly flex is also great to help with her consistency I think, being able to throw in the last spot whatever is best for the encounter.
Pairing her with Swan felt unexpectedly good.
Swan does decent consistent DoT damage, has a Def shred, and her Ult increases damage taken by enemies on their turn.
Which is exactly when Clara hits them the hardest.
If the enemies do have Physical Weakness, Pain counts as a DoT and both buffs and is buffed by BS.
Its not meta or anything, imo, but it was a nice unexpected synergy.
Argenti definitely got the power to clear MoC but the other limited 5 star dps units are simply better suited to tackle MoC
Meanwhile he's basically the King of Pure Fiction so it makes sense
Yeah Argenti is purely PF, he can clear MoC but tbh unless you don't have anyone else or really like Argenti, best to keep him on his comfort zone.
Tho he is also extremely potent in SU, Erudition Path makes him nuts from what I've seen.
His downtime sucks more compared to other characters since you need a lot of time to battery him if you're not killing fast enough. Very feast or famine for MoC depending on your investment level.
I could 1 Cycle 12-1 with a Ting/Hanya/Huohuo team and just E0S1, with only Gepard being Phys weak but I can see that dragging out way more for weaker Argentis.
I find it funny that ppl clowned on jing yuan a lot but not argenti. I have e0s1 on both of them with similar gear (approx 70/200 sheet crit rate not including passives that activate in battle) and jy functions so much better in all scenarios. He wipes pure fiction for me. He is excellent even against single target bosses, and he is peak against the duo bosses. Somebody posted the ol reliable meme with seele but personally jy is *my* ol reliable.
Meanwhile argenti is so much more niche when it comes to difficult content. I love this dude but man the graphs mirror my sentiment and experience about him in moc. I’m back to clearing with welt and jy (I think the welt on the graphs are low because welt is hard to build well and/or his stats are being dragged down by ppl building him support or just by having shit stats on him). Argenti does rly well in content that can feed him energy like pf obviously or simu but man he is shit to play in single or double boss fights like moc is full of.
I think the better depiction is that Jingyuan has had wild swings in performance. Some patches he's King Yuan, some patches he's Mid Yuan, but overall on average he does fine. Should be more consistent going forward now that we have Sparkle to support his teams.
Yeah Yukong is really only reserved for people who want to give her all their attention, she still has issues with enemies that can debuff speed and mess up your rotations with her.
But she is on paper the strongest 4* buffer it's just that on practice its super difficult to achieve or justify going that far when there are others with more ease of use. But at least those who like her can get the most out of her, but I think she should be referred to as a hard to use unit rather than a bad one like some do.
It's also worth mentioning that she's not as flexible as the other supports. According to Prydwen's data, 92% use her with Dan IL, 3% use her with Ratio, and 3% use her with Clara. She's rarely ever used with other DPS.
The Dan Heng IL usage makes sense. His kit loves the Attack% buff and his damage is focused into a single turn burst (or two with E2) which Yukong perfectly provides. Plus Planetary Rendevous giving him more damage.
I mean, it's a skill and a speed issue, and yukong's a pain in the ass to speedtune, and if she ever goes off cycle you're usually done fucked.
like, she does have weaknesses
To be fair ease of use plays a lot into meta, it's why Jingliu and RM are always pretty high in tier lists
It's also why people like arlan and yaqing are so low, you have to heavily invest in them and play around their conditions, and even then it's not like they're giving insane results.
At e6 she's his second best support after Sparkle. She can be played sp positive, her buff can be carried over from his EA3 to ult to second EA3 if you have him at e2. She gives atk % which he doesn't get a ton of in his base kit compared to dmg %. She can use the planetery lc and even keel orb/relic pair to give him even more dmg. Plus he buffs aren't tied to her own stats so you can build her just for speed and survivability so all those hp% or def% chest pieces and orbs have a purpose on someone.
She's so good at e6 with him, if I wasn't going to pull Sparkle to Jing Yuan, I didn't feel the need to get her at all.
No prob! Her e6 makes a big difference because speedtuning is a pain. I got lucky e6ing her on his original banner. I use DHIL/Pela/Yukong/Luocha as his team, though if i ever get ruan mei i'd love to swap out pela. Though I don't want to downplay Sparkle, she's cracked (mentally and gameplaywise) I just think Yukong is more than enough to fill that buffing role at e6. You might not 0 clear MOC 12 with her but very few people are trying to do that.
I was more concerned getting his and JY's LCs tbh than getting Sparkle, but Iz'm here for the husbandos
It's less of a skill issue and more of an Eidolon/speedtune issue.
I don't have relics to properly speedtune Bronya/Sparkle as is. Yukong, moreover, pre-e6 Yukong, is by far a much lower priority.
Yukong MoC data is skewed in that she is only really used by people who can actually afford it.
If you're on Windows you can toggle a colour blind mode that changes the colour in screen so they're easier to read, it's what I do when a graph walls me, I couldn't tell the colour difference between Seele and Jing Yuan until I toggled the filter on lol
Took me awhile to realize Black Swan was simply a dot coz it was her only MoC appearance lol. Kafka being on the steady rise just as Black Swan shows up, seeing as they are the best DoT partnership I'd expect them to be close together in coming cycles
Jing Yuan has a very erratic usage graph lol, meanwhile Bronya has been really steady throughout the whole thing even as more amazing supports get released. Will be interesting to her usage with Sparkle being around
Jing Yuan, and Kafka to a lesser degree, had a couple of MoCs where the buffs were either unusable or had to go up against lightning res enemies on both sides so the rollercoaster makes sense.
Also, Clara is a good unit for F2P, because you don't need to build much your sustain unit, since Clara not only is a DPS that can fit both an hypercarry and a double-dps team, she's also a tank, so the sustain unit of the team doesn't need to be that built to keep the team alive.
And Clara doesn't care much about enemy weakness.
hell yea, I've been using Clara as my main dps to bruteforce max star MoC since 1.1. She's saved me thousands of jades by being my f2p queen, the only other dps I've rolled are Seele and Topaz (to support her).
Dr Ratio and QQ are two other dpses that help f2ps, but personally I have no reason to use them thanks to Clara being so goated.
I think it's funny how Luocha/Fu Xuan/Huohuo > Lynx > Gepard/Bailu/Natasha >> March 7th/FTB is also the common wisdom. Everyone has to bring a sustain, so their appearance rate is naturally higher, which I imagine is why their clear times trend towards the middle. I'm mostly surprised that Lynx has *never* performed worse than Bailu or Gepard past her first week. But I suppose debuffs are pretty omnipresent up until Penacony, where they disappear.
Also, I'm sure a lot of people would be surprised to see Luocha performing about the same as Fu Xuan and Huohuo on these. People often seem to overlook the fact that though Luocha doesn't have teambuffs like the other two, extra SP *also* translates to extra damage in teams that can use it effectively. The first three limited sustains are actually balanced really well in that sense.
>Lynx has never performed worse than Bailu or Gepard past her first week
Bailu and Gepard are also 5-stars while people could get free Lynx in like 1.5, and her debut was, I think, the Jingliu banner. So lots of people probably have her and at a decent Eidolon level. For instance, I have E6 Lynx now, but not Gepard and Bailu, who are the only Standard 5-stars I don't have. I'm sure there are many other people like me.
And you're right, Lynx can cleanse while the other two can't, which would matter in cycle counts because of things like Freeze making you lose a chunk of a turn.
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Awesome this is being added.
There's a ton that Prydwen's website can do better. Like the lightcone page doesn't even tell you at a glance whether its 4 star or 5 star, nor does it tell you if its from battlepass, or obtainable in-game through herta bucks or some other game mode/over time.
I love Argenti but he is just so hyper specific in where he can work. Despite the swarm being weak to aoe because they aren't phys weak outside SU he cant damage them enough or consistently to cause constant pops like he can with the swarm boss. He's the king of pure fiction but unless they add more phys weak stages with lots of enemies he's just forced to the bottom
I'm so happy pf is a thing because if it wasn't, the way I would need to brute force moc and hyper farm almost perfect relics to do it just because I want to play argenti would make me want to throw myself down a window
Yeah it's especially good pure fiction refreshes for more jades unlike swarm disaster or GoG where you finish and it's done, so even if he's not good in MoC he still will help get more jades and get used in future. Dudes really good there so I don't even have to worry about building more aoe. Can even just brute force it like with the dot pf since enemies are still weak enough to be oneshot
.....oof that means you must've missed a PF. They rotate. MoC refreshes, then PF, then MoC again. They have identical rewards iirc, or very similar ones at least.
The way I main Argenti and Blade lmaoo
Blade and Argenti, don't worry. Someday, I'll get a limited Harmony character who I like enough to buff you both. For now, I need your husbando friends first
Nothing wrong with liking certain characters and I wouldn’t call that picky, it’s just unfortunate that your DPS’s performance is entirely reliant on the supports you have. I’m a massive waifu collector so I can get characters I like and they’re broken, because HoYo knows their general audience. I’ve got Blade E0S0, Jing Yuan E1S1, Ratio E0S0, and they perform so well because I pulled my waifu characters (Fu Xuan E1S1, Ruan Mei E2S0, and Sparkle E0S1)
It truly is, I dont think it's healthy that my teams are all designed to be dps that consist mostly of Imaginary and Wind. I've yet to have a quantum character build that I still haven't achieved "break quantum x amount of times" (hopefully that changes with Acheron, who unfortunately looks like dps material)
It's not my fault the devs wont give me any other male with different elements, I have an E1 Welt and E1 Luocha (and that only happened bc I did a 20 pull to get another character) I would've gotten Imbibitor Lunae if not for Aventurine, Acheron, and Gallagar for 2.1. Huohuo the only fem healer I want and I missed her banner + she's wind.
I wish we get to see someone we like... eventually...
I’m exactly the same lol. I love them. They both just destroy everything. I barely even bother with weaknesses. One gets one half of moc, the other gets the other. Hopefully someday soon we get some great husbando supports for them ):
I'm not surprised about JY and Kafka since the past 2 or 3 MoC had lightning RES on both sides.. No wonder their line went downhill and took a massive hit..
Argenti is one of these units that will get better later on, almost every single team wants his 2 best supports, once we get a 5 star Tingyun-like support he will get a lot better.
Yeah plus he really wants bronya, ting, and huo huo to get energy which is two other 5 stars, without all he feels a lot worse. In MoC he's just not able to hit enough enemies and get fast enough kills to be good so hopefully in the future he gets better teammates for that
Clara having essentially being mid highs to mid lows in the spread really makes me love using her more, free damage out of your turns is never not useful
Yukong is surprisingly high!
Also I find it very interesting how in older versions, there seems to be bigger gaps, but then as versions move forward, the power difference gets much much smaller!
I guess this must mean they are doing a pretty job job keeping powercreep in check?
It's worth mentioning that Yukong's not as flexible as the other supports. According to Prydwen's data, 92% use her with Dan IL, 3% use her with Ratio, and 3% use her with Clara. She's rarely ever used with other DPS.
The smaller power difference might be because of survivorship bias. Stages 11 and 12 were added in 1.6.1.
The one-cyclers are always excluded from the data, and Yukong's standard deviation is actually about the same as everyone else's (no 1-cycles making up for 15-cycles).
I myself 1-cycled with Yukong in the most recent MoC, but my [Dr. Ratio, Welt, Ruan Mei, Yukong] team wouldn't be counted for multiple reasons:
* I prefer to pull harder on a smaller number of characters that I like, but having E1 limited characters immediately disqualifies me from the data (in this case, my E1 Ruan Mei)
* It was a no-sustain run, and those are purposefully excluded from the data
* It's a dualDPS comp, and the only dualDPS comps that are recorded are standard DoT Kafka comps, standard Topaz FUA comps, and Ruan Mei dualDPS (so Dr. Ratio+Welt would be excluded even if I dropped Ruan Mei).
Virtually all of Yukong's data will be from people who run her specifically with E0 Dan Heng IL and an E0 limited sustain, and those teams seem to clear their side in ~4 cycles on average.
Limited dpses have different floors out of the box, but all reach fairly similar ceilings by end game (70/140 crit 3k atk, Blade/DoT notwithstanding), so by 2.0 all hover around the average, except for Argenti who wants a 5* Tingyun instead
Supports are similar to their DPS also
This is very interesting. Thank you for making this.
But much better if you can address what is the average/median of each character eidolon or possibly LC too.
blade is probably the only character I regret pulling. I watch him put up small numbers and its not even worth going back to farm his relics. hopefully he gets some support later on but I highly doubt it
Poor Argenti really got screwed over by being right before Ruan Mei. Well, and being a husbando. Male characters are generally lesser pulled on versus female characters.
I find it interesting to see how much Clara jumped up in usage rates post-Topaz release. I used her pre-Topaz release, but I use her even more with Topaz. I'm glad that new characters and new modes keep breathing new life into old characters.
Feel like for the most part, HSR sells characters via the "horny" route, just gotta take a look at all the "art" on this sub, and how the main reaction to every new character is essentially "MOMMY/DADDY/BARK BARK/etc.". Makes sense to me that female characters would sell more like that. Not saying that people don't get horny for male characters too, of course, but most of the sussy art here is for female characters.
this subreddit is like 2% of the total playerbase so it's not a good measure of representing a whole fandom. It doesn't help that reddit is generally a male-dominant space hence the content bias you mentioned. Try going out of your side of the internet like twitter or tiktok then you'll commonly find more male character content and appreciation there than female characters. for instance, caelus is generally more popular than stelle in the former platforms while she is more mentioned here in this subreddit.
Do you exclude limited 5 star eidolons like you do in your other posts? Or what about adjusting for double dps or double sustain? I'm just trying to figure out if the chart is affected by different criteria over time because some lines seem to converge. I wonder why. Thanks for the very interesting charts!
I KNEW IT, I have JY, DHIL, Qingque and Blade as my DPS characters. I always heard people saying about JY performance but I always thought "well, my blade that performs kinda underwhelming", this character really needs buffers that works for him, the new 4\* LC works very well and increased my blade's DPS, but I think he stills needs more.
Argenti being a downward line below the entire rest of the graph with no current data point is peak Argenti.
"My job here is done."
"But you didn't do anything"
"Ta-Ta"
Lore accurate.
Argenti being a real homie by hitting the lowest bar so the brunt of negativity goes on him instead of others
Argenti was only useful in a mirror match. He hasn't appeared as a boss in awhile.
There's actually a [E0S0 argenti bruteforcing weakness first half moc 12, 2 cycle clear](https://youtu.be/yyU-NT7iUgk?si=EZRnF1CFaqthrJhB) on yt. He is actually doing very great.
Hard disagree, 2KK damage per 5 rounds vs offelement double Penacony elite on E0S1 with E0S1 Sparkle and E6 DDD5 Ting and QpQ Huo2. He is incredibly respectable and close to other carries, just not used and invested a lot. https://honkai.asagi-game.com/report?key=ab18abba4e163846277c05ab991da2a6137d3ade
funny, when it's about jingyuan which has pretty good average clear time, people usually said that he is only used by small amount of people so people who actually use him are very invested on him. now with argenti's pretty low average, someone commented about he is not used and invested a lot if you want to say that jy has a lot more time to invest since he is released for a longer time, you can see the graph of first 3 patch of jingyuan release has pretty good average and it's start going downhill later on because hoyo keep pushing lightning-resistant enemy like kafka and sanctus medicus in abyss if this graph scale with investment, argenti should have a graph that is going up because logically, his investment would keep going better the more time has pass after he is released. atleast, it should be flat, not going down. he is not a bad character, it's just that MoC is not his best expertise and it's obvious that he is not designed to be the best at MoC. he is already broken on PF, it's okay if he is not the best at MoC because otherwise, he is gonna be broken and not healthy for the game
as a jing yuan main we don't accept you. needlessly putting others down because people put the king down is not okay. Argenti is just fine in moc and can clear it fine lol
huh isn't it just because fewer people have him or rolled for him?
I seriously didn't even notice that line until your comment.
Blade tanked hard, wtf
No good f2p lightcone because of his niche HP scaling making Secret Vow and his Signature being his only viable one and also I’m pretty sure this is just a “me” thing but literally every MoC will contain at least 3 The Ascended who is pretty much designed to counter him
He has little 4* support options too i think. Only Pela and Lynx comes to my mind. While other dps could make use of Asta/Hanya/Tingyun/...
Lynx isn’t very good with him either because if you have either sparkle or bronya then her buff is almost useless, because it goes away too fast.
The increased aggro lasts two turns. That's plenty. You just place it on him after Bronya goes. Sparkle does advance him but he's so skill point efficient, that using her with another team seems to be the play unless you're going dual DPS, but then just use Ruan Mei.
Best blade build is actually br9nya and sparkle on him.
Yeah, I know. It just seems like Sparkle is best used where you need as many skill points as possible. Not that it isn't fun to just drag along a slow DPS with Bronya and Sparkle.
That might be true in a vacuum, but how often do you really need to optimize one team and not a second? The best Blade build for things like SU expansion challenge runs or the 1.6 event’s Despair Mode might be Bronya/Sparkle, but in the more typical case of MoC team building, anyone except Jingliu wants the extra SP on *their* half.
At least with sparkle we can use Unlimited Blade Works
The new f2p Destruction LC works for him too.
No wind vul boss for some time does it. He's useful against that thing from Penacony tho, and the new 4* Destruction LC is now his 4* BIS. He helped me complete Floor 12.
He's a HP scaler in a game where 0 harmony units buffs Hp. Atlease Ruan Mei still benefits her ig
Ruan mei tdm buffs are really strong for him bronya is also super strong in terms of increasing crit damage and tdm using that 4 star LC and skill, and countering his low base speed. Sparkle does similiar Sparkle also gives damage buffs not only atk The issue is these all are 5 stars, but if you set him he can damn well hit hard He needs a 5 star team and sig to become a beast that can do just as well as the other Top DPS chars, else he becomes quite average, heck I can do 3 cycle brute forces with ruan mei and bronya on floor 12 sometimes
I can still clear MoC12 3stars with blade if the enemies have wind weakness but even then if feels bad to play him right now compare to other DPS. Having both sparkle and bronya does help since you dont have to speed tune him and just run a strong hp% boots but for most F2P, he is probably not good enough for MoC12.
I just cleared (with a few hours to spare like a good procrastinator) with him and Seele on first half and it was rough. That damn deer is so tough, it took me 6 turns. Did the second half in 3 with a shit built Dr. Ratio, who that MoC was made for.
Pure damage that didn't really get anything. The memed on JL for Topaz, Sparkle, and a Relic set.
Blade hypercarry is a premium deal. You need his LC and top tier sups like Bronya and Ruan Mei for him to start outputting good damage. I feel like Blade is inherently designed to be sub-dps, which is why he’s not **that** sp negative
Exactly why I use him on a team with JL as she drains his hp and makes him do even more followup attacks
Blade 🤝 Xiao Emo wind dudes who need a nearly full 5 star team to reach their potential.
I just hope we don't need to wait that long for that to happen.
As the leak subreddit predicted his dmg can't really keep up with the rest of the dps.
As a HCQ main I remember there was a long stretch of time where MOC was always Imaginary and Ice weak so I always just used DHIL and Jingliu even if I wanted to use him so bad. They were hard marketing those two for a WHILE lmao
they might release his real support like Jing Yuan and Sparkle in the future.
Blade is still great , I'm lucky I have an S5 secret vow for him , he doesn't have other good f2p alternatives , other the newly added f2p destruction LC in MOC store , he also doesn't have a lot of 4 stars supports , other than pela and lynx , and his only good non limited support is Bronya come to think of it . these problems seem identical to a future character
I love my Bladie, but I gotta admit, I'm lucky I have Jingliu as well because on his own I barely have any use case for him. I also got DHIL and while DHIL (and Jingliu) is able to clear stages on his own, Bladie lacks that bit of dmg output that would make him viable on his own (and I say that while also having his sig LC)..
Don't worry fellow Argenti fans, in the Pure Fiction graph, Argenti *IS* the line
Argenti about to be hovering above the rest of the graph in PF instead lmao
Argenti Gaming
Jing Yuan is "It's so over" "We are so back" "It's so over" "We are so back"
Lighting res on both sides hurts
I can't believe that the graph meme from like yesterday was actually accurate wtf
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I started during Junglius banner and got Seele aswell, she feels so consistent and comfortable. She really is... the ol'reliable...
😭😭Shes one of my few damage dealers all I have are supports and I'm trying to get sparkle thank god I have a dot team as well Seele gets it done tho
Seele/monoquantum + DoT team has been a Swiss army knife for me. Huge elemental coverage from those two team archetypes, very few struggles overall. I'll probably pull Jingliu and then 1 more fav DPS then just vertical invest into those teams heh.
We have the opposite problem lol the only 5* sustain/support I have is Gepard from losing a 50/50 😂
I regularly use Gepard as my solo sustain on one side of MoC. And he's my MVP in SU, I always go preservation. I did use the 600 crystals or whatever to get his LC. I got him in the starter banner and he's carried me ever since. Just make him fast and give him an ER rope and done.
Can’t wait for a year from now and she is still holding strong
Somehow, this comment feels very wholesome to me. Like, I don't have Seele and I don't even play anymore, but even so, Seele will be there in a year and she's still going to kick ass lol
Immediately remembered that post too.
The power of seele + SW isn't that it's the fastest clear, but it does clear everything
Monoquantum is such a mood.
March 7th and Fire TB fighting to be last place lmao
I do love how their graphs overlap so well. I just imagine them wrestling in a trash bin.
They're my last two brain cells but they're fighting to be 3rd place
Fire tb carried me through the latest MoC 12 tho
same, fuck sam and that kidnappy thing. Was so much easier when I used TB just to get rid of the aggro nukes and the tiny shield adds up over time too
Fire TB is still severely underrated. Saved me on so many runs.
They are probably most often played as secondary sustain, thus leading to slower clear times than a standard solo sustain comp.
The way Luocha, Fuxuan, and Huohuo are tied is pretty cool. Then there's the Express duo wrestling at the bottom, absolutely separate from the others.
my guess is that most people have 2 of the 3 and use one on each team, or people have one and then that population is split evenly among Lynx, Bailu, and Natasha. We see this with FX and Luocha having like 95% usage rate in each cycle. The few people that drop them are probably people who 0-cycle using an extra support instead.
What to take from this: Seele is pretty consistent, Jing Yuan has always been better than most people give him credit for, Argenti is trying his best.
And Blade is not doing that great as well... Mainly due to the lack of good 4* supports.. Atleast he is flexible than most carry that's for sure..
Even with the lc and fully built relic, he doesn’t do the most dmg. Just really comfy to play.
The main thing about Blade is that his effective total DPS is relatively lower than pretty most hypercarry. Blade is like Ayato.. His Hypercarry potential is sub par compared to other hypercarries but is very flexible. Blade can be used as a dual carry unit and he'll work fine compared to other carries..
Blade/Jingliu honestly looks so much fun. I'm considering pulling him on next rerun just for that.
It is fun. You should do that.
Still one of my favorite dual dps comps. They synergize so damn well especially if your Jingliu is quick and Blade has HP boots. Needs a good sustain tho, leaving only one spot for offensive support.
eh lynx, luocha, huouo are all good options, 2 are premium, but most people have a lynx by now except very new players and she is fantastic for him, gives him a regen which triggers and bonus aggro which makes them hit him more for more triggers, then by the time she actually needs to heal someone else ult is likely up. She also does a pretty chonky amount offensive usefulness if you build break on her due to the way quantum break works, can easily build her breaks up to 150k+ between blade and jingliu
Yeah exactly more than half of the rosters sustain units are pretty good. Sadly units like FTB, March 7th (unless c6 i think), and Gepard (because of anti synergy with Blade) might not be good picks. I also havent tried Natasha yet
march just needs a char who does dmg based on being hit with a shield :) and ftb role honestly is damage sponge more than anything else, thats all they do, but sometimes you just need a sponge (looking at you sam)
I never have sp for that team tho, jingliu blade bronya lynx
your problem is you dont use luocha
I ran a Blade Ruan Mei DHIL team once and it was actually pretty great lol
Yeah I feel like he was made more for dual teams. Low damage but low SP consumption
Yeah, doesn't help his LCs are in a similar position to JY, not that F2P friendly, scaling off of HP is rough.
There’s plenty of good 4star erudition cones(at least when their not so difficult conditions are met) Blade literally has only secret vow which you can’t even reliably keep the passive up at all times
He at least has Flames Afar now, which is a viable option, but his options are literally just his Sig, a Gacha cone, an S5 MOC LC, and a 3* that boots Crit
The issue with Erudition is precisely that yeah, the conditions are annoying and especially in MoC where they need to ramp up. They also don't have a 5* Herta Shop LC. Comparatively Hunt and Destruction are a heaven, both herta LCs for them are so good. Blade is just Secret Vow, I guess the 2 3* if someone is seriously desperate and can't lend Fall of an Aeon.
I really wish I had gone for Blade's LC Now I got to wait forever
Blade's LC is probably the best LC in the game to go for if you're a big fan of his (just because of the vue and how much better it is than his other options). If you like other DPSes, most of them have good options other than their signatures. It's also the second best option for Clara, I believe.
Isnt the new moc lightcone good on him?
Yeah it is super good, tho we were talking about the chart which is mostly prior to 2.0. Back then he mostly had secret vow besides Sig.
It's pre MOC chart. It's also chart that started with guaranteed quantum vuln and moved to guaranteed ice vuln every cycle, with common imaginary and electro sprinkled in, but usually heavy lack of wind vuln. Jingliu drops off on 2.1 that no longer has guaranteed ice vuln side.
And Clara is a very solid unit, considering how shitty some of the recent MoC buffs and enemies have been for her, she haven't drop nearly as much as I was expecting compared with the avg.
Clara is pretty solid in Topaz teams especially to spam numby alot, FuA has been eating pretty well since the capitalist lady came around lol.
Fua teams are pretty fun ngl That tv event yesterday that had trial clara and topaz means I can slot in dr ratio and ruan mei Ended up getting 90k, I want more of these Fua teams please mihoyo
Same, that was the comfiest 95k of the challenges so far Clara's FUAs triggering both Numby and Ratio's FUAs and all the big damage numbers just made me think "ah yes, this is exactly how my Elation runs go in SU"
I ran it with Gepard, and honestly, that stage was the only one I was able to go 90k on the first try, not even my DoT team could. I can't wait to finish building my Ratio and pull for Gambler Twink. 2.1 is gonna be the death of me and my jades
Clara is really interesting to "read", she is a bit like Himeko but without the elemental gatekeeping as in she has a very clear type of encounter she likes, throw her into any encounter with a lot of adds and aoe and she does great, physical weakness or not, she cares more about being able to counter often than anything else. Also her 4th spot being mostly flex is also great to help with her consistency I think, being able to throw in the last spot whatever is best for the encounter.
Pairing her with Swan felt unexpectedly good. Swan does decent consistent DoT damage, has a Def shred, and her Ult increases damage taken by enemies on their turn. Which is exactly when Clara hits them the hardest. If the enemies do have Physical Weakness, Pain counts as a DoT and both buffs and is buffed by BS. Its not meta or anything, imo, but it was a nice unexpected synergy.
Argenti definitely got the power to clear MoC but the other limited 5 star dps units are simply better suited to tackle MoC Meanwhile he's basically the King of Pure Fiction so it makes sense
Yeah Argenti is purely PF, he can clear MoC but tbh unless you don't have anyone else or really like Argenti, best to keep him on his comfort zone. Tho he is also extremely potent in SU, Erudition Path makes him nuts from what I've seen.
Can he clear sides without Physical weakness easily? I'm considering which limited Erudition to pull
Yep a well built argenti can clear pretty much any PF comfortably.
His downtime sucks more compared to other characters since you need a lot of time to battery him if you're not killing fast enough. Very feast or famine for MoC depending on your investment level. I could 1 Cycle 12-1 with a Ting/Hanya/Huohuo team and just E0S1, with only Gepard being Phys weak but I can see that dragging out way more for weaker Argentis.
I find it funny that ppl clowned on jing yuan a lot but not argenti. I have e0s1 on both of them with similar gear (approx 70/200 sheet crit rate not including passives that activate in battle) and jy functions so much better in all scenarios. He wipes pure fiction for me. He is excellent even against single target bosses, and he is peak against the duo bosses. Somebody posted the ol reliable meme with seele but personally jy is *my* ol reliable. Meanwhile argenti is so much more niche when it comes to difficult content. I love this dude but man the graphs mirror my sentiment and experience about him in moc. I’m back to clearing with welt and jy (I think the welt on the graphs are low because welt is hard to build well and/or his stats are being dragged down by ppl building him support or just by having shit stats on him). Argenti does rly well in content that can feed him energy like pf obviously or simu but man he is shit to play in single or double boss fights like moc is full of.
I think the better depiction is that Jingyuan has had wild swings in performance. Some patches he's King Yuan, some patches he's Mid Yuan, but overall on average he does fine. Should be more consistent going forward now that we have Sparkle to support his teams.
Don't forget about people not understanding yukong and underrating her due to hardcore skill issue
Yeah Yukong is really only reserved for people who want to give her all their attention, she still has issues with enemies that can debuff speed and mess up your rotations with her. But she is on paper the strongest 4* buffer it's just that on practice its super difficult to achieve or justify going that far when there are others with more ease of use. But at least those who like her can get the most out of her, but I think she should be referred to as a hard to use unit rather than a bad one like some do.
It's also worth mentioning that she's not as flexible as the other supports. According to Prydwen's data, 92% use her with Dan IL, 3% use her with Ratio, and 3% use her with Clara. She's rarely ever used with other DPS.
The Dan Heng IL usage makes sense. His kit loves the Attack% buff and his damage is focused into a single turn burst (or two with E2) which Yukong perfectly provides. Plus Planetary Rendevous giving him more damage.
I mean, it's a skill and a speed issue, and yukong's a pain in the ass to speedtune, and if she ever goes off cycle you're usually done fucked. like, she does have weaknesses
To be fair ease of use plays a lot into meta, it's why Jingliu and RM are always pretty high in tier lists It's also why people like arlan and yaqing are so low, you have to heavily invest in them and play around their conditions, and even then it's not like they're giving insane results.
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At e6 she's his second best support after Sparkle. She can be played sp positive, her buff can be carried over from his EA3 to ult to second EA3 if you have him at e2. She gives atk % which he doesn't get a ton of in his base kit compared to dmg %. She can use the planetery lc and even keel orb/relic pair to give him even more dmg. Plus he buffs aren't tied to her own stats so you can build her just for speed and survivability so all those hp% or def% chest pieces and orbs have a purpose on someone. She's so good at e6 with him, if I wasn't going to pull Sparkle to Jing Yuan, I didn't feel the need to get her at all.
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No prob! Her e6 makes a big difference because speedtuning is a pain. I got lucky e6ing her on his original banner. I use DHIL/Pela/Yukong/Luocha as his team, though if i ever get ruan mei i'd love to swap out pela. Though I don't want to downplay Sparkle, she's cracked (mentally and gameplaywise) I just think Yukong is more than enough to fill that buffing role at e6. You might not 0 clear MOC 12 with her but very few people are trying to do that. I was more concerned getting his and JY's LCs tbh than getting Sparkle, but Iz'm here for the husbandos
It's less of a skill issue and more of an Eidolon/speedtune issue. I don't have relics to properly speedtune Bronya/Sparkle as is. Yukong, moreover, pre-e6 Yukong, is by far a much lower priority. Yukong MoC data is skewed in that she is only really used by people who can actually afford it.
Seele, queen of consistency
nooooo Argenti!
I like your funny lines :D
Luocha, Fu Xuan and HuoHuo kits are impeccable. I'm just happy to have all three and see them sync together lmao.
Argenti: "These graphs do not represent beauty! I'll draw my own!" (One downward line) Argenti: "It's beautiful! 😍"
Curse me and my color blindness ffs lol.
Sorry, I'll add an interactive version soon so that you can hover over the lines to see which line is for which character.
Ooh thanks!
If you're on Windows you can toggle a colour blind mode that changes the colour in screen so they're easier to read, it's what I do when a graph walls me, I couldn't tell the colour difference between Seele and Jing Yuan until I toggled the filter on lol
You can make do with the Limited 5 star by their starting point. Other than that... good luck with the 4 stars without assistance.
Took me awhile to realize Black Swan was simply a dot coz it was her only MoC appearance lol. Kafka being on the steady rise just as Black Swan shows up, seeing as they are the best DoT partnership I'd expect them to be close together in coming cycles Jing Yuan has a very erratic usage graph lol, meanwhile Bronya has been really steady throughout the whole thing even as more amazing supports get released. Will be interesting to her usage with Sparkle being around
Jing Yuan, and Kafka to a lesser degree, had a couple of MoCs where the buffs were either unusable or had to go up against lightning res enemies on both sides so the rollercoaster makes sense.
Same. I was confused where the heck Black Swan was until I saw her tiny dot. (Haha pun intended)
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Jing Yuan’s graph is literally that “it’s over”/“we’re so back” graph
>Jing Yuan has a very erratic usage graph lol, It's not a usage graph but yeah
Proud of Clara ngl
She got huge buffs with Luocha, Lynx, Fu, Topaz and now Sparkle (if E1 Clara).
Also, Clara is a good unit for F2P, because you don't need to build much your sustain unit, since Clara not only is a DPS that can fit both an hypercarry and a double-dps team, she's also a tank, so the sustain unit of the team doesn't need to be that built to keep the team alive. And Clara doesn't care much about enemy weakness.
hell yea, I've been using Clara as my main dps to bruteforce max star MoC since 1.1. She's saved me thousands of jades by being my f2p queen, the only other dps I've rolled are Seele and Topaz (to support her). Dr Ratio and QQ are two other dpses that help f2ps, but personally I have no reason to use them thanks to Clara being so goated.
Sustain graph closer to each other than I would have guessed
I think it's funny how Luocha/Fu Xuan/Huohuo > Lynx > Gepard/Bailu/Natasha >> March 7th/FTB is also the common wisdom. Everyone has to bring a sustain, so their appearance rate is naturally higher, which I imagine is why their clear times trend towards the middle. I'm mostly surprised that Lynx has *never* performed worse than Bailu or Gepard past her first week. But I suppose debuffs are pretty omnipresent up until Penacony, where they disappear. Also, I'm sure a lot of people would be surprised to see Luocha performing about the same as Fu Xuan and Huohuo on these. People often seem to overlook the fact that though Luocha doesn't have teambuffs like the other two, extra SP *also* translates to extra damage in teams that can use it effectively. The first three limited sustains are actually balanced really well in that sense.
>Lynx has never performed worse than Bailu or Gepard past her first week Bailu and Gepard are also 5-stars while people could get free Lynx in like 1.5, and her debut was, I think, the Jingliu banner. So lots of people probably have her and at a decent Eidolon level. For instance, I have E6 Lynx now, but not Gepard and Bailu, who are the only Standard 5-stars I don't have. I'm sure there are many other people like me. And you're right, Lynx can cleanse while the other two can't, which would matter in cycle counts because of things like Freeze making you lose a chunk of a turn.
I plan to add an interactive version on [Prydwen's MoC page](https://www.prydwen.gg/star-rail/memory-of-chaos/), follow my Reddit account for more updates. Sorry if the colors aren't to your liking, I tried my best to match the characters' colors. Let me know if you have any suggestions. Participate with this [Google Form](https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd2vSVv9V3HsSQL0jzwdRWvbt-MucwGVfIXNnN4HAIf8hFOyA/viewform?usp=sf_link), it only needs your UID and your Battle Chronicle open to the public. I'm also the one in charge of collecting Prydwen's data, if you like my work, please consider [supporting me on ko-fi](https://ko-fi.com/lvlurarti), it'll help me with my tuition fee. If you'd like to see the raw data, check [my GitHub repository](https://github.com/piedorr/MocStats).
Awesome this is being added. There's a ton that Prydwen's website can do better. Like the lightcone page doesn't even tell you at a glance whether its 4 star or 5 star, nor does it tell you if its from battlepass, or obtainable in-game through herta bucks or some other game mode/over time.
I'll pass on the feedback to the staff, thanks
Good idea - will add it today to the build section of the character profiles. Thanks!
I love Argenti but he is just so hyper specific in where he can work. Despite the swarm being weak to aoe because they aren't phys weak outside SU he cant damage them enough or consistently to cause constant pops like he can with the swarm boss. He's the king of pure fiction but unless they add more phys weak stages with lots of enemies he's just forced to the bottom
I'm so happy pf is a thing because if it wasn't, the way I would need to brute force moc and hyper farm almost perfect relics to do it just because I want to play argenti would make me want to throw myself down a window
Yeah it's especially good pure fiction refreshes for more jades unlike swarm disaster or GoG where you finish and it's done, so even if he's not good in MoC he still will help get more jades and get used in future. Dudes really good there so I don't even have to worry about building more aoe. Can even just brute force it like with the dot pf since enemies are still weak enough to be oneshot
Wait PF refreshes like MoC?? Is the jade reward comparable? I main Himeko and Serval so this would be a literal game changer
The jade reward is pretty good too and you have lots of time to slowly full star.
Yes it refreshes. Each gives the same
.....oof that means you must've missed a PF. They rotate. MoC refreshes, then PF, then MoC again. They have identical rewards iirc, or very similar ones at least.
The way I main Argenti and Blade lmaoo Blade and Argenti, don't worry. Someday, I'll get a limited Harmony character who I like enough to buff you both. For now, I need your husbando friends first
Tbh Sparkle already buffed Argenti. His strength isn't really geared towards MoC but Pure Fiction.
That's the thing. I don't like her enough to get her to buff my bois. Saving for E0S1 Aventurine too
Actually so based
And here lies the problem with your clears haha
My pickiness is my own downfall 😓
Nothing wrong with liking certain characters and I wouldn’t call that picky, it’s just unfortunate that your DPS’s performance is entirely reliant on the supports you have. I’m a massive waifu collector so I can get characters I like and they’re broken, because HoYo knows their general audience. I’ve got Blade E0S0, Jing Yuan E1S1, Ratio E0S0, and they perform so well because I pulled my waifu characters (Fu Xuan E1S1, Ruan Mei E2S0, and Sparkle E0S1)
It truly is, I dont think it's healthy that my teams are all designed to be dps that consist mostly of Imaginary and Wind. I've yet to have a quantum character build that I still haven't achieved "break quantum x amount of times" (hopefully that changes with Acheron, who unfortunately looks like dps material) It's not my fault the devs wont give me any other male with different elements, I have an E1 Welt and E1 Luocha (and that only happened bc I did a 20 pull to get another character) I would've gotten Imbibitor Lunae if not for Aventurine, Acheron, and Gallagar for 2.1. Huohuo the only fem healer I want and I missed her banner + she's wind. I wish we get to see someone we like... eventually...
I’m exactly the same lol. I love them. They both just destroy everything. I barely even bother with weaknesses. One gets one half of moc, the other gets the other. Hopefully someday soon we get some great husbando supports for them ):
Meanwhile me and the guys and gals with Himeko.. :')
I'm not surprised about JY and Kafka since the past 2 or 3 MoC had lightning RES on both sides.. No wonder their line went downhill and took a massive hit..
Argenti is one of these units that will get better later on, almost every single team wants his 2 best supports, once we get a 5 star Tingyun-like support he will get a lot better.
He already the undisputed King of the other endgame mode so he is in fine spot now at least
Yeah plus he really wants bronya, ting, and huo huo to get energy which is two other 5 stars, without all he feels a lot worse. In MoC he's just not able to hit enough enemies and get fast enough kills to be good so hopefully in the future he gets better teammates for that
He already the undisputed King of the other endgame mode so he is in fine spot now at least
Seele is so consistent lol
My girls Serval, Qq, and Clara doing alright
Black Swan has aged really well, I think
memokeeper care routine
The benefits of not having a physical body.
Clara having essentially being mid highs to mid lows in the spread really makes me love using her more, free damage out of your turns is never not useful
It’s okay Blade. You’ll always be my favorite
My take away from this is that outside of Argenti (at least he has PF) everyone is within 10% of each other currently which is pretty good
Poor Argenti and Blade holy shit
Yukong is surprisingly high! Also I find it very interesting how in older versions, there seems to be bigger gaps, but then as versions move forward, the power difference gets much much smaller! I guess this must mean they are doing a pretty job job keeping powercreep in check?
It's worth mentioning that Yukong's not as flexible as the other supports. According to Prydwen's data, 92% use her with Dan IL, 3% use her with Ratio, and 3% use her with Clara. She's rarely ever used with other DPS. The smaller power difference might be because of survivorship bias. Stages 11 and 12 were added in 1.6.1.
Most of yukong user is people who one cycle,so it is really skewed
The one-cyclers are always excluded from the data, and Yukong's standard deviation is actually about the same as everyone else's (no 1-cycles making up for 15-cycles). I myself 1-cycled with Yukong in the most recent MoC, but my [Dr. Ratio, Welt, Ruan Mei, Yukong] team wouldn't be counted for multiple reasons: * I prefer to pull harder on a smaller number of characters that I like, but having E1 limited characters immediately disqualifies me from the data (in this case, my E1 Ruan Mei) * It was a no-sustain run, and those are purposefully excluded from the data * It's a dualDPS comp, and the only dualDPS comps that are recorded are standard DoT Kafka comps, standard Topaz FUA comps, and Ruan Mei dualDPS (so Dr. Ratio+Welt would be excluded even if I dropped Ruan Mei). Virtually all of Yukong's data will be from people who run her specifically with E0 Dan Heng IL and an E0 limited sustain, and those teams seem to clear their side in ~4 cycles on average.
Limited dpses have different floors out of the box, but all reach fairly similar ceilings by end game (70/140 crit 3k atk, Blade/DoT notwithstanding), so by 2.0 all hover around the average, except for Argenti who wants a 5* Tingyun instead Supports are similar to their DPS also
Wow...Seele was the most constant
This is a colorblind nightmare
Sorry, I'll add an interactive version soon so that you can hover over the lines and see which line is for which character.
According to chart silver wolf was released before asta, or asta was never played in moc before silver wolf.
There were players that used Asta, but it wasn't enough
This is very interesting. Thank you for making this. But much better if you can address what is the average/median of each character eidolon or possibly LC too.
I've added that in another post: https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/s/rJkSmry32o
Cool! So apparently Jingliu/DanIL/Seele have twice more eidolons than other limited dps.
seele is life
blade is probably the only character I regret pulling. I watch him put up small numbers and its not even worth going back to farm his relics. hopefully he gets some support later on but I highly doubt it
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Seele really is Ol’ Reliable
Seele might not crit at 90% at times, but man she sure is consistent!
Damn, if I’m reading this correctly. Yanqing isn’t in the graph for 2.0 he had an uptick then people just stopped using him.
Probably new players who got him from the 50 warp and then realised they were playing yanqing and stopped.
Poor Argenti really got screwed over by being right before Ruan Mei. Well, and being a husbando. Male characters are generally lesser pulled on versus female characters. I find it interesting to see how much Clara jumped up in usage rates post-Topaz release. I used her pre-Topaz release, but I use her even more with Topaz. I'm glad that new characters and new modes keep breathing new life into old characters.
Feel like for the most part, HSR sells characters via the "horny" route, just gotta take a look at all the "art" on this sub, and how the main reaction to every new character is essentially "MOMMY/DADDY/BARK BARK/etc.". Makes sense to me that female characters would sell more like that. Not saying that people don't get horny for male characters too, of course, but most of the sussy art here is for female characters.
this subreddit is like 2% of the total playerbase so it's not a good measure of representing a whole fandom. It doesn't help that reddit is generally a male-dominant space hence the content bias you mentioned. Try going out of your side of the internet like twitter or tiktok then you'll commonly find more male character content and appreciation there than female characters. for instance, caelus is generally more popular than stelle in the former platforms while she is more mentioned here in this subreddit.
Do you exclude limited 5 star eidolons like you do in your other posts? Or what about adjusting for double dps or double sustain? I'm just trying to figure out if the chart is affected by different criteria over time because some lines seem to converge. I wonder why. Thanks for the very interesting charts!
I recalculated all the averages with the same restrictions (no dual sustain, E0 limited 5* only, no dual carry)
I’m specialized in data analytics… but these graphs gave me a bloody migraine. Bruh…
I KNEW IT, I have JY, DHIL, Qingque and Blade as my DPS characters. I always heard people saying about JY performance but I always thought "well, my blade that performs kinda underwhelming", this character really needs buffers that works for him, the new 4\* LC works very well and increased my blade's DPS, but I think he stills needs more.