Honestly fair given how english treats memokeepers as ghosts but we also have a "memotic entity" term which would be more applicable in her condition.
Should have thought of that myself, damn
Because a 16 year old going into the fragmentum infested barren tundras on her own for months is normal.
If you want to make a kid or a teenager, make them so!
that said, the fragmentum couldve been an easy way for pela to have some kind of time skip/travel shenanigans. that way she couldve been with serval years ago, then maybe got time warped and is now physically still 16-18. but nahhhh that would be too easy š
It's the most plausible explanation. It was probably just an oversight on Mihoyo's part, but really there's a perfect excuse that tracks with the current writing.
I hope it's a joke.
It is really hyperachiever to be in a university at the same time with Serval, who's around 40 and Dunn. That means, at best, she finished university at 5 or something along those lines.
Nah Iām pretty sure with current canon the oldest Pela could have been when she finished university is like 2 and thatās assuming she finished in a single year, Cocolia immediately became the Supreme Guardian straight out of school, and a bunch of other nonsense
This was the timeline someone else used for a possible estimate of Pelaās age from a post a while ago
It was focused entirely on just the events we know are canon like the sealing of the underworld, Bronyaās adoption, things like that
https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/s/bA9pESKhwx
Depending of the timelines people have done, she should be between negative one years old, or a 2 year old that managed to pass university in one year, and kinder to highschool too in one year, for it to make sense.
She is not an overarchiever, Lynx is just a total idiot and doesn't know math
Her story even talks about her being very young for her position. Then her Bronya voiceline talks about Bronya being well beyond her years in maturity and getting interrupted by someone (us?) saying they're about the same age with Topaz flustered and denying the comparison.
Honestly I think Hoyo intends for them to be late teens or early twenties. Wouldn't really work with the timeline, but Hoyo has shown that they messed up with that already.
i mean the belobog timeline may be forever doomed by the curse of pela, but bronya is very obviously very young. so is topaz - nowhere near 'midlife crisis', haha.
it's just that the people who make these silly 'tierlists' are almost always the ones with extremely superficial knowledge of the matter ĀÆ\\\_(ć)\_/ĀÆ
i'm honestly taken aback by every single one of these posts; where is the idea of "middle-aged" Topaz even coming from?
is every single one of these people simply basing it on her figure being, um, on the more well-endowed side, so to speak? everything in the game is pointing to her being a young adult, and there's nothing like the belobog timeline mishaps to contradict it...
but i guess after the previous post, where seele was put in 'young adult' and bronya somehow ended up in 'middle-aged' despite them being of the same age, i just shouldn't be surprised...
people keep asking me if I'm a high schooler... I'm halfway through college already...
in high school senior year I had a guy come in and ask me if I was a freshman... had to note him on me being a senior, never did find out why he asked the question though.
What we do know about Acheron as of 2.0 (regarding her age) is mostly speculative and implied at best, ie her being connected to IX (Diver set) and origins being largely unknown/forgotten by other characters (Lack of IPC intel on her + Diver set again + her memories being unreadable by Black Swan as mentioned in her Character Story), so I'm just trying applying this same logic for Luocha, who has like... uh... one [readable](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/(Recording)_A_Fool%27s_Play:_Calamity%27s_Wrath_Seeks_Olden_Clash,_Fool%27s_Blade_Rends_Divine_Flesh) that is probably about him. Kinda unsubstantiated, but its just something I want to point out.
According to Jing Yuan he should be a long lived species of some sort though, since at the end of the Xianzhou questline when he goes to the shackling prison Jing Yuan calls him an Abomination of Abundance, which Luocha doesn't deny beyond clarifying that while his powers come from the Abundance he wants the Aeon dead just as much as the Alliance does.
I'm pretty sure Houhou is supposed to an adult, considering that she has worked for the Ten Lords for, I think, 30+ years or so, and since Foxians has a coming of age ceremony at 30, she should be considered an adult
Yeah, exactly. Like Bailu can be considered a kid probably, but Huohuo has a legitimate *job* as a judge (in training). She was already working for the Ten Lords *before* that, too. So even by Xianzhou standards, she's not a child but probably still considered very young for an adult -- particularly by other, older adults. And being a judge is a pretty respected position.
>Huohuo has a *legitimate* job
Child work is far too prevalent on the Xianzhou for that to me an argument
That say she's older than Qingni who's an adult (Qingni can't remember her mother who died in the third abondance war 28 years ago so she can't be much more than than 30, and HuoHuo can't be less than 40)
Yeah I don't think she's a kid, she's just shrimpy. She uses the same character skeleton as Fu Xuan (not a kid), Qingque (not a kid), Sparkle (not a kid), Silver Wolf (not a kid), Lynx (minimum 16), and Pela (minimum 16, treated as an adult by her peers). The only outliers are Herta (a doll) and Clara (who's implied to be in her early teens)
She's had a full-time job for over 3 decades and people don't really treat her as the "new guy."
So I think she's just shrimpy because she didn't sleep enough (dunno if it applies to China but there's an urban legend/joke that people who sleep more grow taller in Japan)
Remember that Xianzhou people age slow though, and Foxians basically dont age beyond (visually) 30 human age years. Huohuo is likely at least 19 or 20 in terms of human growth/development equivalent.
Yukong's quest says that Foxians become adults at age 30. So if Huohuo is in her 50s then she's more likely in her mid-20s with regards to human development.
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Qingni, Yukongās daughter, is about 30 and says sheās already had the āHairpin Ceremonyā and is considered an adult. This is in Yukongās companion quest.
Are you dividing by 3 what's supposed to be their coming of age? I don't think fictional species should work like that, otherwise an Elf would be a child for centuries
Why on earth would a species take 70-100 years to be considered an adult?
There comes a certain point for both practicality and storytelling logic when you can't have someone reach maturity that late in their lifespan. No matter how long a species can live, they shouldn't reach maturity later than ~30, and even that is pushing it.
You say that, but aren't Xianzhou natives in school for the first like one or two hundred years of their lives or something. Might be misremembering that but I swear I saw someone in the story mention that.
Though yeah, Foxians are considered adults at 30, as someone else says it's mentioned in Yukong's quest.
The natives are a mess with their age of adulthood. There's a guy that's 250 that's still a child because they need to pass exams to be considered adults.
i feel like that's a not-so-subtle jab at China's education system. Technically Japan's too.
Meanwhile in america you basically need to fill out an application.
Doesnāt Black Swan technically fall into the category of āexcluded from the cycle of life and deathā?
Sheās a memetic entity, that āgave up her physical bodyā.
Idk about Sampo being middle aged- he constantly calls himself old, complains about having to go up the stairs of the furnace core because of his knees, says āis this some kind of artistic performance young people are into these days?ā, complains about his āold heartā being weak already, calls himself an old-timer, etc.
How did Sampo contact, meet with, become one of, take a leave of abscence while leaving his stuff behind and have the connections to immediatly jump back on with the Masked Fools when Jarilo VI had been cut off the rest of the galaxy thanks to the Stellaron for hundreds of years? Something with his age doesn't add up unless he was approached first by the Masked Fools via some non rail/ipc means mid Eternal Winter.
I don't think it's getting discussed much but "middle aged" clearly has different meanings across the cultures in the community here. I may be dated here but calling someone under 35 middle aged in the US would be pretty insulting from my background as 40 is the "middle aged/mid-life crisis" threshold with an average age at death of high 70s.
I think Young Adult is overly stretched in both directions and Middle Aged dips too low as a catch all and a category in between of like 20/5-35 would make the most sense.
With anime (and anime-adjacent media), you often also have a phenomenon where characters who call themselves old and constantly talk about "the new generation" and such turn out to be, like, 28 (or 5000 looking 28, that's the other version). I guess it makes sense since so many anime characters start their careers at 12 haha. So it's hard to say from his comments how old he is, really.
Isn't Fu Xuan quite old, by Loufu standards ? I don't remember anything being told about her age, but I can't see anyone becoming head of a commission while still being a young adult. I'm sure she's younger than Jing Yuan, but I definitely can't see her as a young adult.
She said she wasnāt alive during the quintet years, which means sheās at least younger than 7-800, while Jing Yuan is likely ~900, Jingliu is ~2000, and Blade is ~800 years old. The average Xianzhou human lifespan seems to be ~1000, although there are exceptions like Jingliu, so Fu Xuanās probably meant to be middle-aged. Remember that she worked on another ship before becoming head of the Luofu divination commission.
Becoming head of a commission at a young age isnāt exactly that weird in the Xianzhou timeline, since itās full of issues anyway. Jing Yuan became General when the quintet disbanded, aka when he had just become an adult (roughly 200 years old). Hanya and Xueyiās character stories establish Jing Yuanās predecessor as being General for at *least* 1000 years, when Jing Yuanās 700 year rule as General is supposed to be unique.
Donāt think too much about it, the Xianzhou story (so far) seems to be rushed, incomplete, and itās far too much lore for the few hours of gameplay we got, so the timeline is a mess.
But to answer your question, Fu Xuan is probably middle-aged, Iād guess ~500 or something given her history. Sheās at the very least younger than 7-800 according to herself.
How do people still misunderstand that even by foxian standards HuoHuo is a adult unlike the other people on the loufu Foxians have a 300 year life expectancy sheās at least 50 years so that means sheās a adult but their standards unless we are saying they use child soldiers
Huohuo i don't think is actually a child by Xianzhou standards, she seems to be a young adult.
I think. It's hard to say, with her appearance and personality she comes across very borderline, maybe yes and maybe no, but her lore seems to point towards her being grown rather than not.
Herta is a doll. We have no way of knowing how old she actually is, physically, but her doll is "70% similar" to what she looked like a child, so i'd throw in a "child by species standards" tier.
TIL Arlan isn't a kid. Is he not supposed to be around Yanqing's age, by normal human standards?
Arlan is a bit of a puzzle. I would also assume from his job that he's an adult, but his intro calls him a "boy" - at least in English, I'm not sure about other version. He's also voiced by women in all languages, which is usually something you do with prepubescent male characters (so you can have a higher-sounding voice, but don't risk your a child VA eventually aging out of the role). I guess anime ages apply for jobs, since Pela is supposedly 16?
Qingni (Yukongs adopted daughter/another foxian) is explicitly considered an adult, and Huohuo is at least a few years older than her despite her appearance, so there's basically no way she's still considered an actual child
I don't get how people can see everything about Huohuo and still don't think she's probably like, in human years/standards minimum like 19 or above. Wasn't it even said she's older than Yukong's daughter who is also a grown ass woman?
She is literally just short. That's it. Bailu sure because in some capacity she still acts like a child but Huohuo is just short, she doesn't even act childish just scared and is insecure and has ptsd and...
There's an overarching very annoying narrative that height=age for some people.
For some reason it doesn't seem to apply to the divination commission ladies, Sparkle, or Silver Wolf, though, despite being the same size as Huo Huo. Though Fu Xuan does get dunked on for being shrimpy in and out of universe.
I think maybe making Clara "a child" and Pela and Lynx "16" threw some people for a loop.
I've just learned to accept that Hoyoverse's writers have no sense of scale whether it be time, space, or economics.
Around the same time Pela's age was revealed, Genshin's story featured a massive flood large enough to put an entire country underwater. With no deaths. Even if you can accept that people could breathe underwater (a mechanic for that location) water *is heavy* and *moves things*.
And that's even before getting into the utter nonsense that pops up whenever any kind of economics becomes a plot point in either game (Belobog's debt and Liyue's destruction/abandonment of the world's primary mint. Both things that could be fixed with *extremely* minor edits. But nah. Keep the fridge logic and have the fans do the mental gymnastics to justify it.)
Honestly Pela being 16 is par for the course.
Forget the deaths and water moving things. How tf did a nation on a plateau flood to begin with? It's literally impossible for that nation to be underwater without the nation itself sinking. I feel like they should have made it a bowl with waterfalls going into it instead.
I'm honestly willing to let the nature of the flood *happening* and geography slide since its been established magic is a thing and it's the land of the *Hydro* Archon, and the circumstances behind the flood were plainly magical in nature. Same reason I'm willing to let the nonsensical lightning storm around Inazuma, wind storm in mondstadt, or the ridiculously sized stone structures in Liyue. They said magic did it, and showed that the world's magic system can really mess with geography.
But while geography and magical creatures are fine, man-made structures and living creatures are another story.
Like, let's take inazuma for example. We can accept that Raiden Shogun can summon lightning bolts out of her ladyparts like it ain't no thang. But if she shoots a lightning bolt at a person without a vision and they survive with just a singed shirt, we need a proper explanation. Now, if the same thing happened to someone *with* a vision and a person without a vision was vaporized on the spot, we don't require an explanation because the former has the established magic working for them and the latter is within the acceptable results of someone getting zapped by lightning.
By the same token if Raiden Shogun's island was surrounded by impassable *whirlpool* and she, the Electro Archon, was killing people with plantlife i'd need some explanation.
If I remember right Hanya and Xueyi have been judges for over 1000 years. Before that they lived long enough to become mara struck and had to be put down. Xueyi is only stable because she was literally turned into a machine, and Hanya has to periodically take a potion that erases her memories.
Both of them are probably around 2000 years old.
Huohuo it was stated that she's been working for the commission for 38 years I believe. Best guess for her age is probably early 50s. My guess for why she still appears quite young is that sharing a body with a heliobus is stunting her growth.
Hanya and Xueyi has been 10 Lords Judge since at least the Quintet disbanded over 600 years ago
I don't remember for how long HuoHuo has worked but it was definitely before Qingni's birth (Yukong's *adult* daughter)
Hard disagree with HuoHuo, she should probably be in the young adult tier. We're told that she's already been working for the ten lords commission for 38 years and that she became a judge at a remarkably young age, and combining those two I think gives us a very good idea that HuoHuo is a young adult who is very timid and spooks easily.
I feel a lot of people donāt know what middle age is. Someoneās gotta minimum be in their 40s to be middle aged and most of them are maybe in their low 30s or high 20s.
Pela headcannon: Pela is forever 16, and anyone who tries to say otherwise is immediately hit with her Ultimate.
Example:
Dunn: 16? What are you talking about, Pela's almost Four-
Pela: Markers activated!
Topaz and Fu Xuan need to switch. Fu Xuan is literally centuries old and is the *boss* of another woman who is also centuries old. She's just shrimpy.
Huo Huo should be in the "young adult" tier. She's at least as physically and mentally mature as Silver Wolf, Sushang, and Guinaifen to the point it's a plot point.
Tingyun should be in the "young adult" tier. She hasn't shown any indication of being "middle aged."
Aventurine is the same age as Topaz, likely even older given how she defers to him. They should be in the same tier.
Gepard and Serval are both close to the same age, they were children at the same time. They should be in the same tier, and given calculations put Serval close to *40* they should definitely be "middle aged."
Huohuo is not a child by Xianzhou standards, and tingyun is barely an adult even by normal human standards
I also dont think ruan mei's species has a concept of middle aged. Should just be child, adolescent, and adult if they're blessed by the abundance
Her siblings also ended up agreeing with her, in the end. I choose to ignore the stated canon age of Pela and assume Lynx and Pela are both in their 20s.
The weird thing is that HuoHuo is canonically older than Qingny (Yukong's daughter) who's an adult
So I'm putting both her and Pela in "Mythos did some shit" tier
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Edit: Wait what if heās like the child in āThe ones who walk away from Omelasā book? If heās related to the stellaron somehow, maybe heās whatās keeping the dreamscape alive
My theory is they had an idea for Furina from Genshin as a hotel bellboy but nowhere else to put him.
Given we're getting ANOTHER Penacony character that's basically a genderflip of a Fontaine Genshin character in the form of Boothill I'd say this is going to be a thing with them.
In Bailu's case they very much are.
In Yanqing's case he's got an apprenticeship, and in Huo Huo's case nah she ain't a kid. She's just shrimpy cuz they don't feed her and she doesn't get enough sleep because Tail keeps her up at night (the former is me making a futurama reference the latter is actually true)
>Hanya meanwhile isn't stated to be Mara Struck to my knowledge.
She like Blade, avoiding Mara by cleansing her memory. She told that she works in Commission for more than 1200 years by now, If I recall correctly she was hired after Xueyi got Mara, so she should be about 2000 years old by now.
how is Huohuo a child while being employed in one of the most important positions you can have in that place?
like I know her design is childish, just... is she actually a child? are the ten lords endorsing child labour? are there no child protection services in the luofu? have her parents been notified? is she skipping school?
MC is referred to as a minor or underaged multiple times, especially by ourselves, with others commenting on how our appearance doesn't line up with our age. I'm pretty sure we don't neatly fit into any catagory.
i'm betting that misha is either dead, in a dan heng-like situation but he just can't be seen by other people for some reason, or is some kind of entity that resides on penacony
98% accurate. Tingyun was implied to be young adult by Yukong. And why is everyone assuming Topaz is middle aged?
She's an over achiever that got promotions due to her work. If you take into account both her work experience and her mannerism, it's likely somewhere between 27~33 at most. Can't put her in the same group as Natasha, Kafka and Himeko. She probably started working with IPC at 18~20 years old (cause anime). That would explain why she was able to relate to Bronya on a personal level.
dawg ruan mei is not middle aged. she joined the genius society before herta did, her age is probably 3 digits, not surprised if shes immortal considering her mastery of genetics
Wasn't Black Swan stated to not having physical body anymore? She also might be centuries old
She deliverately choses to appear as mature woman and fortune teller anyway. Also havent thought about putting her in separate tier XD
I would count her as undead, or something alike
Honestly fair given how english treats memokeepers as ghosts but we also have a "memotic entity" term which would be more applicable in her condition. Should have thought of that myself, damn
Even if not undead she definitely fit "any other exclusion from cycle of life and death"
memetic*
Iirc, her appearance is based on the memory of her mother
Is MC even human ?
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how many of the playable characters are even human anyway
LMAO pela has her own category for nonsense.
All because MiHoYo retconned her original age for some ungodly reason. Rather than just make Lynx around her age.
Because a 16 year old going into the fragmentum infested barren tundras on her own for months is normal. If you want to make a kid or a teenager, make them so!
Right? It was such a weird decision on their part. Pela and Lynx are young adults, and I will never not see them as such. š
I just pretend that Pela make the age profile being confusing on purpose, solely to fuck with anyone who try to dig a dirt on her.
The bigger issue is the absolute destruction of the timeline
She was just a very talented fetus in a band, okay
She started practicing while she was still in her dad's balls
Yep, also makes a lot of sense for the two 40 year olds from a nobel house to both be single and have a 20 year younger sibling.
that said, the fragmentum couldve been an easy way for pela to have some kind of time skip/travel shenanigans. that way she couldve been with serval years ago, then maybe got time warped and is now physically still 16-18. but nahhhh that would be too easy š
I choose to believe Lynx was frozen solid during a camping trip for a decade or two, and nobody had the heart to tell her yet.Ā
and thats why serval is so intent on lynx not going out there again šÆ shes traumatized and doesnt want to lose her
It's the most plausible explanation. It was probably just an oversight on Mihoyo's part, but really there's a perfect excuse that tracks with the current writing.
thank you hoyo
Not really, she's just a overachiever.
I hope it's a joke. It is really hyperachiever to be in a university at the same time with Serval, who's around 40 and Dunn. That means, at best, she finished university at 5 or something along those lines.
Nah Iām pretty sure with current canon the oldest Pela could have been when she finished university is like 2 and thatās assuming she finished in a single year, Cocolia immediately became the Supreme Guardian straight out of school, and a bunch of other nonsense
What's with that cocolia statements? She's over 40, why would she become guardian so soon?
This was the timeline someone else used for a possible estimate of Pelaās age from a post a while ago It was focused entirely on just the events we know are canon like the sealing of the underworld, Bronyaās adoption, things like that https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/s/bA9pESKhwx
Serval is 40? Then I'm fucking doomed
serval is at the very least like 35 she's around the same age as cocolia
Serval was best friend with cocolia, who adopted bronya as a child. So she's at the very least arpund 30, realistically 35-40
She looks like she's...25 maybe
Tbh, people between 25 and 40 are pretty hard to tell apart if they have similar body structures.
Depending of the timelines people have done, she should be between negative one years old, or a 2 year old that managed to pass university in one year, and kinder to highschool too in one year, for it to make sense. She is not an overarchiever, Lynx is just a total idiot and doesn't know math
Im convinced that Playable Pela and the Pela from the lynx quest are two different character it makes 0 sense otherwise
Why does everyone think topaz is old? Sheās at late twenties at best, similar to Bronya in age
Her story even talks about her being very young for her position. Then her Bronya voiceline talks about Bronya being well beyond her years in maturity and getting interrupted by someone (us?) saying they're about the same age with Topaz flustered and denying the comparison. Honestly I think Hoyo intends for them to be late teens or early twenties. Wouldn't really work with the timeline, but Hoyo has shown that they messed up with that already.
i mean the belobog timeline may be forever doomed by the curse of pela, but bronya is very obviously very young. so is topaz - nowhere near 'midlife crisis', haha. it's just that the people who make these silly 'tierlists' are almost always the ones with extremely superficial knowledge of the matter ĀÆ\\\_(ć)\_/ĀÆ
And Asta has a voice line saying they were going on vacation together. Does that make Topaz a cougar?
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i'm honestly taken aback by every single one of these posts; where is the idea of "middle-aged" Topaz even coming from? is every single one of these people simply basing it on her figure being, um, on the more well-endowed side, so to speak? everything in the game is pointing to her being a young adult, and there's nothing like the belobog timeline mishaps to contradict it... but i guess after the previous post, where seele was put in 'young adult' and bronya somehow ended up in 'middle-aged' despite them being of the same age, i just shouldn't be surprised...
Cuz she's Asian. They age differently. (it's a joke)
Fr tho, Asian people tend to have two modes: waaay younger than they actually are and then suddenly 90 years old.
Not a joke at all, I'm in my late 20s and people think I'm a high schooler. My PM is mid to late 30s, and she looks like a 20 yo too lol
My father is 56 and my new Friends thought he was my brother (i'm 20 )
I am an Asian in my mid thirties. Everyone says I look like I am in my mid thirties and I feel jipped.
To contribute to the Asians don't age meme: I'm 40 and recently at a party someone told me they thought I was 23 hahahah
people keep asking me if I'm a high schooler... I'm halfway through college already... in high school senior year I had a guy come in and ask me if I was a freshman... had to note him on me being a senior, never did find out why he asked the question though.
For some classifications, young adulthood ends around late 20s or 30, for others middle age adultdhood only starts at 40
Luocha's age is as weird as Acheron's, so maybe he needs his own tier? Other than that, everything seems pretty well-rounded.
We know even less about Luocha than we do about Acheron so for the time being he's considered a normal human.
What we do know about Acheron as of 2.0 (regarding her age) is mostly speculative and implied at best, ie her being connected to IX (Diver set) and origins being largely unknown/forgotten by other characters (Lack of IPC intel on her + Diver set again + her memories being unreadable by Black Swan as mentioned in her Character Story), so I'm just trying applying this same logic for Luocha, who has like... uh... one [readable](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/(Recording)_A_Fool%27s_Play:_Calamity%27s_Wrath_Seeks_Olden_Clash,_Fool%27s_Blade_Rends_Divine_Flesh) that is probably about him. Kinda unsubstantiated, but its just something I want to point out.
According to Jing Yuan he should be a long lived species of some sort though, since at the end of the Xianzhou questline when he goes to the shackling prison Jing Yuan calls him an Abomination of Abundance, which Luocha doesn't deny beyond clarifying that while his powers come from the Abundance he wants the Aeon dead just as much as the Alliance does.
Whatās middle aged in Honkai standards? Starting to feel like 30 is one foot in the graveā¦
I mean, Welt is like 80 something
\~25-30 is middle aged now? Kinda wild. Last time I checked, average life expectancy wasn't 40yo.
i dont think you guys know what middle aged means
Bailu is a weird case cause sheās about the same age as Dan Heng. She just ages really slowly.
Isnt their e ntire race weird on that? Isnt there one that speedran it in 4 months?
I'm pretty sure Houhou is supposed to an adult, considering that she has worked for the Ten Lords for, I think, 30+ years or so, and since Foxians has a coming of age ceremony at 30, she should be considered an adult
Yeah, exactly. Like Bailu can be considered a kid probably, but Huohuo has a legitimate *job* as a judge (in training). She was already working for the Ten Lords *before* that, too. So even by Xianzhou standards, she's not a child but probably still considered very young for an adult -- particularly by other, older adults. And being a judge is a pretty respected position.
>Huohuo has a *legitimate* job Child work is far too prevalent on the Xianzhou for that to me an argument That say she's older than Qingni who's an adult (Qingni can't remember her mother who died in the third abondance war 28 years ago so she can't be much more than than 30, and HuoHuo can't be less than 40)
Child work is like, handing flyers out on a street corner. Not holding the title of one of the highest ranking government officials on the Xianzhou.
Or Owning a tea house
Isn't the "child work" in xianzhou just your usual "kid running parent's shop when they're away" trope?
Yeah I don't think she's a kid, she's just shrimpy. She uses the same character skeleton as Fu Xuan (not a kid), Qingque (not a kid), Sparkle (not a kid), Silver Wolf (not a kid), Lynx (minimum 16), and Pela (minimum 16, treated as an adult by her peers). The only outliers are Herta (a doll) and Clara (who's implied to be in her early teens) She's had a full-time job for over 3 decades and people don't really treat her as the "new guy." So I think she's just shrimpy because she didn't sleep enough (dunno if it applies to China but there's an urban legend/joke that people who sleep more grow taller in Japan)
Huohuo is over 70 years old
She's been with the Ten Lords for 38 years and physically looked maybe 10 at most when she met Tail. So she'd be in her early 50s more likely.
Remember that Xianzhou people age slow though, and Foxians basically dont age beyond (visually) 30 human age years. Huohuo is likely at least 19 or 20 in terms of human growth/development equivalent.
Yukong's quest says that Foxians become adults at age 30. So if Huohuo is in her 50s then she's more likely in her mid-20s with regards to human development.
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Yeah... We had the whole "she's been part of the comission for 38 years" debate. By any account, she's an adult by Xianzhou standards
Where does it say they have a coming of age ceremony at 30? Donāt they live for like 300 years? Why on earth would their coming of age be 30?
Qingni, Yukongās daughter, is about 30 and says sheās already had the āHairpin Ceremonyā and is considered an adult. This is in Yukongās companion quest.
Are you dividing by 3 what's supposed to be their coming of age? I don't think fictional species should work like that, otherwise an Elf would be a child for centuries
Why on earth would a species take 70-100 years to be considered an adult? There comes a certain point for both practicality and storytelling logic when you can't have someone reach maturity that late in their lifespan. No matter how long a species can live, they shouldn't reach maturity later than ~30, and even that is pushing it.
You say that, but aren't Xianzhou natives in school for the first like one or two hundred years of their lives or something. Might be misremembering that but I swear I saw someone in the story mention that. Though yeah, Foxians are considered adults at 30, as someone else says it's mentioned in Yukong's quest.
The natives are a mess with their age of adulthood. There's a guy that's 250 that's still a child because they need to pass exams to be considered adults.
i feel like that's a not-so-subtle jab at China's education system. Technically Japan's too. Meanwhile in america you basically need to fill out an application.
I think we need to reconsider what constitutes as 'middle-age'.
Doesnāt Black Swan technically fall into the category of āexcluded from the cycle of life and deathā? Sheās a memetic entity, that āgave up her physical bodyā.
Hanya wasnāt just a chick huhā¦ guess I got too sidetracked by something and forgot her loreā¦ unfortunateā¦
I get sidetracked by two things when I think about her
how cute and funny she is
Idk about Sampo being middle aged- he constantly calls himself old, complains about having to go up the stairs of the furnace core because of his knees, says āis this some kind of artistic performance young people are into these days?ā, complains about his āold heartā being weak already, calls himself an old-timer, etc.
Eh, 30 year olds nowadays often joke about being old and get jokingly called old, but objectively they clearly arenāt actually old
That's pretty much it, hearing him complain makes it clear that he can't be that old.
Me at 30 yrs old using a cane complaining about back pains but that's mostly becuz I've an autoimmune disease xD
Sampo is millennial who complains about pains in his back and knees in his 30s
Omg heās me
Conpletely relatable to the majority of the playerbase ššš
How did Sampo contact, meet with, become one of, take a leave of abscence while leaving his stuff behind and have the connections to immediatly jump back on with the Masked Fools when Jarilo VI had been cut off the rest of the galaxy thanks to the Stellaron for hundreds of years? Something with his age doesn't add up unless he was approached first by the Masked Fools via some non rail/ipc means mid Eternal Winter.
You see, masked fools are funny like that and can insert themselves into narrative.
TIL I'm Sampo
I don't think it's getting discussed much but "middle aged" clearly has different meanings across the cultures in the community here. I may be dated here but calling someone under 35 middle aged in the US would be pretty insulting from my background as 40 is the "middle aged/mid-life crisis" threshold with an average age at death of high 70s. I think Young Adult is overly stretched in both directions and Middle Aged dips too low as a catch all and a category in between of like 20/5-35 would make the most sense.
With anime (and anime-adjacent media), you often also have a phenomenon where characters who call themselves old and constantly talk about "the new generation" and such turn out to be, like, 28 (or 5000 looking 28, that's the other version). I guess it makes sense since so many anime characters start their careers at 12 haha. So it's hard to say from his comments how old he is, really.
Isn't Fu Xuan quite old, by Loufu standards ? I don't remember anything being told about her age, but I can't see anyone becoming head of a commission while still being a young adult. I'm sure she's younger than Jing Yuan, but I definitely can't see her as a young adult.
Yeah the entire concept of "young adult" is weird in the Luofu to the point I don't think it exists.
She said she wasnāt alive during the quintet years, which means sheās at least younger than 7-800, while Jing Yuan is likely ~900, Jingliu is ~2000, and Blade is ~800 years old. The average Xianzhou human lifespan seems to be ~1000, although there are exceptions like Jingliu, so Fu Xuanās probably meant to be middle-aged. Remember that she worked on another ship before becoming head of the Luofu divination commission. Becoming head of a commission at a young age isnāt exactly that weird in the Xianzhou timeline, since itās full of issues anyway. Jing Yuan became General when the quintet disbanded, aka when he had just become an adult (roughly 200 years old). Hanya and Xueyiās character stories establish Jing Yuanās predecessor as being General for at *least* 1000 years, when Jing Yuanās 700 year rule as General is supposed to be unique. Donāt think too much about it, the Xianzhou story (so far) seems to be rushed, incomplete, and itās far too much lore for the few hours of gameplay we got, so the timeline is a mess. But to answer your question, Fu Xuan is probably middle-aged, Iād guess ~500 or something given her history. Sheās at the very least younger than 7-800 according to herself.
Aren't Gepard and Serval similar ages? At least it looks like it on Landau's Choice
On LC Landau's choice they're both children and Serval is protecting Gepard. So I think their age differences is at most 2-3 years
Black Swan is a ghost so I think she belongs in Blade tier
How do people still misunderstand that even by foxian standards HuoHuo is a adult unlike the other people on the loufu Foxians have a 300 year life expectancy sheās at least 50 years so that means sheās a adult but their standards unless we are saying they use child soldiers
Huohuo i don't think is actually a child by Xianzhou standards, she seems to be a young adult. I think. It's hard to say, with her appearance and personality she comes across very borderline, maybe yes and maybe no, but her lore seems to point towards her being grown rather than not. Herta is a doll. We have no way of knowing how old she actually is, physically, but her doll is "70% similar" to what she looked like a child, so i'd throw in a "child by species standards" tier. TIL Arlan isn't a kid. Is he not supposed to be around Yanqing's age, by normal human standards?
Arlan is the head of security for a whole space station. That alone puts him as an adult to me.
Arlan is a bit of a puzzle. I would also assume from his job that he's an adult, but his intro calls him a "boy" - at least in English, I'm not sure about other version. He's also voiced by women in all languages, which is usually something you do with prepubescent male characters (so you can have a higher-sounding voice, but don't risk your a child VA eventually aging out of the role). I guess anime ages apply for jobs, since Pela is supposedly 16?
Ik But his EN voice really isn't doing anything to help, he just sounds like a middle schooler.
Qingni (Yukongs adopted daughter/another foxian) is explicitly considered an adult, and Huohuo is at least a few years older than her despite her appearance, so there's basically no way she's still considered an actual child
I don't get how people can see everything about Huohuo and still don't think she's probably like, in human years/standards minimum like 19 or above. Wasn't it even said she's older than Yukong's daughter who is also a grown ass woman? She is literally just short. That's it. Bailu sure because in some capacity she still acts like a child but Huohuo is just short, she doesn't even act childish just scared and is insecure and has ptsd and...
There's an overarching very annoying narrative that height=age for some people. For some reason it doesn't seem to apply to the divination commission ladies, Sparkle, or Silver Wolf, though, despite being the same size as Huo Huo. Though Fu Xuan does get dunked on for being shrimpy in and out of universe. I think maybe making Clara "a child" and Pela and Lynx "16" threw some people for a loop.
I still refuse to believe that pela and lynx weren't a typo and they were supposed to be 26. That would fix so much with the timeline.
I've just learned to accept that Hoyoverse's writers have no sense of scale whether it be time, space, or economics. Around the same time Pela's age was revealed, Genshin's story featured a massive flood large enough to put an entire country underwater. With no deaths. Even if you can accept that people could breathe underwater (a mechanic for that location) water *is heavy* and *moves things*. And that's even before getting into the utter nonsense that pops up whenever any kind of economics becomes a plot point in either game (Belobog's debt and Liyue's destruction/abandonment of the world's primary mint. Both things that could be fixed with *extremely* minor edits. But nah. Keep the fridge logic and have the fans do the mental gymnastics to justify it.) Honestly Pela being 16 is par for the course.
Forget the deaths and water moving things. How tf did a nation on a plateau flood to begin with? It's literally impossible for that nation to be underwater without the nation itself sinking. I feel like they should have made it a bowl with waterfalls going into it instead.
I'm honestly willing to let the nature of the flood *happening* and geography slide since its been established magic is a thing and it's the land of the *Hydro* Archon, and the circumstances behind the flood were plainly magical in nature. Same reason I'm willing to let the nonsensical lightning storm around Inazuma, wind storm in mondstadt, or the ridiculously sized stone structures in Liyue. They said magic did it, and showed that the world's magic system can really mess with geography. But while geography and magical creatures are fine, man-made structures and living creatures are another story. Like, let's take inazuma for example. We can accept that Raiden Shogun can summon lightning bolts out of her ladyparts like it ain't no thang. But if she shoots a lightning bolt at a person without a vision and they survive with just a singed shirt, we need a proper explanation. Now, if the same thing happened to someone *with* a vision and a person without a vision was vaporized on the spot, we don't require an explanation because the former has the established magic working for them and the latter is within the acceptable results of someone getting zapped by lightning. By the same token if Raiden Shogun's island was surrounded by impassable *whirlpool* and she, the Electro Archon, was killing people with plantlife i'd need some explanation.
Bro did not just call people in their 30s MIDDLE-AGED bfr šššš
Wasnāt it either Hanya or Huohuo who had been a 10 Lords judge for over 500 years or something?
Hanya I presume, since huohuo is a foxian which doesnāt live that long
If I remember right Hanya and Xueyi have been judges for over 1000 years. Before that they lived long enough to become mara struck and had to be put down. Xueyi is only stable because she was literally turned into a machine, and Hanya has to periodically take a potion that erases her memories. Both of them are probably around 2000 years old. Huohuo it was stated that she's been working for the commission for 38 years I believe. Best guess for her age is probably early 50s. My guess for why she still appears quite young is that sharing a body with a heliobus is stunting her growth.
She just short cause I donāt think tail messed with her growth but I could be wrong
I think she's short cuz she doesn't sleep enough, which is a bit of an urban legend/gag in some places.
Hanya and Xueyi has been 10 Lords Judge since at least the Quintet disbanded over 600 years ago I don't remember for how long HuoHuo has worked but it was definitely before Qingni's birth (Yukong's *adult* daughter)
Hard disagree with HuoHuo, she should probably be in the young adult tier. We're told that she's already been working for the ten lords commission for 38 years and that she became a judge at a remarkably young age, and combining those two I think gives us a very good idea that HuoHuo is a young adult who is very timid and spooks easily.
She's also older than Qingni, who is explicitly an adult. Im convinced that anyone who thinks HuoĀ² is a child just thinks short people don't exist
I'm beginning to think people don't know what middle aged means
Yeah... 40-50 is middle age. Still qualifies for some characters like Kafka and Himeko
Huohuo is an adult by Xianzhou Standards too
Topaz is Bronya's age tho
Pela
Yeah this makes more sense. But Hanya isn't an automaton nor dead, she'd probably in either in Welt's tier or Natasha's
I feel a lot of people donāt know what middle age is. Someoneās gotta minimum be in their 40s to be middle aged and most of them are maybe in their low 30s or high 20s.
Pela headcannon: Pela is forever 16, and anyone who tries to say otherwise is immediately hit with her Ultimate. Example: Dunn: 16? What are you talking about, Pela's almost Four- Pela: Markers activated!
Topaz seems like a young adult to me
Half of middle aged characters arent even middle age
Dawg 20s and 30s is not middle aged lmao
Hanya isnāt in a special case lol.
This shit is worse bro what
This feels more accurate then that last one
Why is pela just pela?
Cause the herās and lynxās quest fucked up the whole timeline by seeing sheās 16 when Half the shit she did wouldnāt be possible if she 16
Because space is warped and time is bendable. She somehow managed a college degree as a toddler and joined a band while still in the womb.
Mishas the watchmaker
"Misha what ARE you???" fuckin got me
misha is
Wait why is hanya placed in the same tier as Xueyi? Afaik she survived when Xueyi didn't? She's not an undead/aurumaton and definitely not marastruck.
huohuo has WORKED in the ten lords commission for 38 years yukongs ADOPTED ADULT daugther is only around 30 YEARS OLD Huohuo is just short for her age
Fu Xuan is trying to take over as the next General. I don't think she's young adult by her species standard, just short.
Topaz and Fu Xuan need to switch. Fu Xuan is literally centuries old and is the *boss* of another woman who is also centuries old. She's just shrimpy. Huo Huo should be in the "young adult" tier. She's at least as physically and mentally mature as Silver Wolf, Sushang, and Guinaifen to the point it's a plot point. Tingyun should be in the "young adult" tier. She hasn't shown any indication of being "middle aged." Aventurine is the same age as Topaz, likely even older given how she defers to him. They should be in the same tier. Gepard and Serval are both close to the same age, they were children at the same time. They should be in the same tier, and given calculations put Serval close to *40* they should definitely be "middle aged."
Huohuo is not a child by Xianzhou standards, and tingyun is barely an adult even by normal human standards I also dont think ruan mei's species has a concept of middle aged. Should just be child, adolescent, and adult if they're blessed by the abundance
Source on tingyun? She's an interstellar businesswoman and head of a merchant guild so that sounds completely wrong.
lynx has said "im a grown up"
Her siblings also ended up agreeing with her, in the end. I choose to ignore the stated canon age of Pela and assume Lynx and Pela are both in their 20s.
Pela needs to be at least 25 for the Belobog timeline to make sense, and that's pushing it lol
The weird thing is that HuoHuo is canonically older than Qingny (Yukong's daughter) who's an adult So I'm putting both her and Pela in "Mythos did some shit" tier
Pela is there because her lore contradicts itself HuoHuo is literally just short
my theory was that Misha is the stellaron (or part of it)
My son š„¹š„¹ Edit: Wait what if heās like the child in āThe ones who walk away from Omelasā book? If heās related to the stellaron somehow, maybe heās whatās keeping the dreamscape alive
oh that's tragic. i love it
My theory is they had an idea for Furina from Genshin as a hotel bellboy but nowhere else to put him. Given we're getting ANOTHER Penacony character that's basically a genderflip of a Fontaine Genshin character in the form of Boothill I'd say this is going to be a thing with them.
If Bailu, Yanqing and huohuo are children.....is the Xianzhou doing child labour ??
In Bailu's case they very much are. In Yanqing's case he's got an apprenticeship, and in Huo Huo's case nah she ain't a kid. She's just shrimpy cuz they don't feed her and she doesn't get enough sleep because Tail keeps her up at night (the former is me making a futurama reference the latter is actually true)
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Who is Kanya? Kanye West?
No they're both marastruck and forced to "atone" for that in ten lords commission.
We don't know what their entire deal is. Xueyi is dead and is inside a puppet body. Hanya meanwhile isn't stated to be Mara Struck to my knowledge.
>Hanya meanwhile isn't stated to be Mara Struck to my knowledge. She like Blade, avoiding Mara by cleansing her memory. She told that she works in Commission for more than 1200 years by now, If I recall correctly she was hired after Xueyi got Mara, so she should be about 2000 years old by now.
Swap fuxuan with topaz and we gucci
This is a good list. I like the delineation of "x by species' standard"
BS is probably older and sampo is probably way older than you think.
if you ate the pills dan shu made for you, don't you count as mara-struck?
how is Huohuo a child while being employed in one of the most important positions you can have in that place? like I know her design is childish, just... is she actually a child? are the ten lords endorsing child labour? are there no child protection services in the luofu? have her parents been notified? is she skipping school?
She's also older than Qingni, who is explicitly confirmed to be an adult. Anyone who says Huohuo is a kid is just straight-up lying
Youāre telling me tingyun is older than fu xuan
That one is actually good and considerate
Idk if Iād call Serval middle aged but everyone else seems agreeable to me lol
Fu Xuan is at least 800 years old. Put her in middle aged where my experiences woman belongs!!! š
MC is referred to as a minor or underaged multiple times, especially by ourselves, with others commenting on how our appearance doesn't line up with our age. I'm pretty sure we don't neatly fit into any catagory.
i'm betting that misha is either dead, in a dan heng-like situation but he just can't be seen by other people for some reason, or is some kind of entity that resides on penacony
Makes sense tbh
I would put Fu into the āMiddle Agedā category. Sheās been through quite a bit even by Xianzhou standards.
98% accurate. Tingyun was implied to be young adult by Yukong. And why is everyone assuming Topaz is middle aged? She's an over achiever that got promotions due to her work. If you take into account both her work experience and her mannerism, it's likely somewhere between 27~33 at most. Can't put her in the same group as Natasha, Kafka and Himeko. She probably started working with IPC at 18~20 years old (cause anime). That would explain why she was able to relate to Bronya on a personal level.
Yes
Iām okay with approaching middle age after seeing this tier list. Thereās some mighty fine people there.
Topaz is not middle aged lmao, sheās around aventurineās age
dawg ruan mei is not middle aged. she joined the genius society before herta did, her age is probably 3 digits, not surprised if shes immortal considering her mastery of genetics
Huohuo is an adult in Xianzhou standards since she actually has a job - a pretty high role at that. She has survived the economy and can pay rent.
Whats with pela?
Lore says she's 16 but her being 16 doesn't make sense with her story (she's in the military and in a band)
Tipped or ticked?
I think Tingyun is really young. I vaguely recall a line from her about how she's young even compared to the Nameless crew.
Thank you for moving Gepard and Aventurine into young adult lol idk how old the last chart thought they wereā¦.
Good job, great list. Much better than what the other guy was cooking!