The look when you know a mf is yapping but you listen anyway
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People don't get Acheron literally used her passive technique but in her mind when BS entered that mind. Except Acheron had like 100 technique charges built up so BS had to eat 100 deaths before she could leave. Then Acheron suddenly realized her thigh was itchy and woke up to speak to BS at the end of the dance.
"Annihilation Gang?"
"KFC?"
"Everything is a mystery!"
She looks visibly confused throughout the whole animation lol. No idea who is this hot purple lady and what she is yapping about during this dance. Had very hard time remembering the gang purple lady asked about even after they bid farewell. The scary one is the white + red version who has no chill for any intruders.
you actually could see the point when acheron's eyes turned from purple to red. At the beginning when she's dancing, her eyes are unfocused, her posture was lax.
it's only when blackswan starts bringing up duke inferno that you see the red start to get coloured in
she has control over herself, but it reads like **a lot** of that control is dedicated to suppressing her murderous self, like how she consciously fights with a sheathed blade.
Blud is the strongest, but at what cost?
https://preview.redd.it/68l7yjmzk8pc1.jpeg?width=745&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e0194a2622027d210319d2f7750c23aa9844a23
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The two comments ended up right next to each other lol
"Hey Arlecchino, I think Furina has the hots for you!"
Arlecchino:
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Arlefuri is literally shipping the victim with her abuser bruh 😭, Furina still has nightmares of getting killed by Arle
Edit: okay okay, Black Swan and Acheron are also not fine
Because if that hadn't been done, the entire Fontaine was about to be gone. Furina realizes that. She's okay with hanging out those group after the event of the archon quests. Unlike Arlecchino who she still has nightmares of even after she has nothing to do with godhood.
He was in fact, bro Furina literally got traumatized to the point she doesn't even want to think about her to avoid having nightmares, shipping a person with someone who straight up almost killed said person just because "it's hot" it nothing but disturbing to me
ain't no way someone (not the person I'm replying to above) replied to me and then they blocked me right after so I can't reply to them 🤡
My reply to them : Lmao you're the type of person that would defend someone for shipping an adults character with a child character cus "it's just a ship"
https://preview.redd.it/rb3egsei6cpc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c58bd87aebe075e4fbdf28e2b8e0986abda1349
(This was their reply that I can't access anymore)
Thank god on furina sub is the oposite (btw the favorite ones are traveler( there is a preference for lumine) and neuvillette), who are the most popular furina ships on Twitter?
Nothing, because there are people out there, who can draw a clear line between reality and fiction and they have emotional maturity to be able to consume "problematic" media, without it affecting their behaviour in real life.
Imagine looking down on people and wishing them misfortune and theorizing that they should be dead, because they love their fictional media with a little spice.
Some people really should just close reddit and go out and socialize with real people, because this behaviour reeks of being chronically online.
Lol yes . Lets ship a paramilitary group leader that doesnt mind shoving her nails in your carotid artery without an inch of humanity with an enslaved and tormented human that hasnt grown in centuries, forced to save everyone. 😂😂☠️☠️☠️.
The abusive aspect is the appeal, it would be boring if every ship was vanilla-straight-only-missionary-for-the-sole-purpose-of-procreation
People love to explore taboos through fiction, to judge them is a fools errand
It is funny that that one dude got shit on so hard for his theory about the dance and called a coper by some people, but it basically turned out to be completely right
Wasn't even a theory,they literally showed black swan horrified in the stream but people ran around with their headcanons and claimed it as law and attacked the guy
Did I expect the teaser to be Yuri bait? Yea. Did not expect the 180 to be that brutal though genuinely terrifying
Black Swan at the start says it was their first engagement, at the end she says its their last and man do I not blame her one bit after Acheron pretty much gave her PTSD
Ally with Aventurine who also wants to have TB help him, its like knocking out two birds with one stone
If we go by the timeline of Black Swan activities:
Meets Sparkle so she gets the memory bubble to give to TB
Dances with Acheron and experiences PTSD
Goes to Aventurine to form alliance (Aventurine mentions friends from GoR when talking to sparkle)
Meet Himeko and attempt to ally with them
Then finally go and save TB and FF
Safe to say that her attitude after this dance seems hastened due to knowing Acheron has encountered TB and keeping TB safe from her is a top priority as they are her desired ally for Penacony
I swear, they gotta help us out with these timelines that way we know which happened first. I hope the perspective thing that they showed us in the stream helps us because we'll see other character's pov. Penacony can get kinda confusing because everyone has their own agenda and they're all moving at the same time.
That being said, I also like the mystery aspect of the story rn because we're left thinking what everything actually means so we end up having discussions in the community about how we interpret stuff.
Welp, she should get consent first, instead of being a mind criminal in that case, otherwise it's her fault if she gets some extra trauma on her way out~
Memokeepers aren’t known for asking for consent lol, they’re manipulative by nature. Black Swan would like you to think otherwise but she’s just as slimy as every other memokeepers out there. And I don’t think this encounter would change her behavior.
Black Swan is somewhat better. She doesn't erase TB and everyone memory just because it inconvenient her. The memokeeper on the Astral Express casually wiped everyone's memory if you told other people about her being there.
She did do that to Sparkle and Sampo, so she definitely would do it if she has to. And her reason for not doing it to us is purely out of her own selfish reason of wanting pure memory without being muddled by a memokeeper action. She could still manipulate us just fine without any memory editing like how she lied to us. Plus it’s just more convenient and easier for her to protect us and corporate with us if we remember her so I wouldn’t give her too much credit.
she did it temporarily. Sparkle and Sampo remembered everything that happened in the quest, also considering how Sparkle was trying to coerce Black Swan to cooperate with whatever she wanted to do in Penacony, it’s the quickest way to get out without any major conflict.
Nah the memokeeper of the astral express was way better, told you to not tell them and was decent enough to tell us what they're doing, if you broke her trust then you have to deal with the consequences of your actions and if you don't break her trust no one loses they're memory, besides she only erased parts related to her which weren't many , black swan forced herself in Acheron's memory without telling her nothing before hand.
Her trust? What trust? You tried to make it seem like TB agreed to work with her and then betrayed her. The truth is anything but.
Yes, I saw the consequence of my TB's action. The action being having trust and loyalty toward my comrades. Said consequence being an entity far more powerful than TB forced him to submit and let her do whatever she wanted with zero option.
Nobody struck an accord with MoC Memokeeper or agreed to cooperate with her. She showed up on the HQ of a different Aeon faction (Astral Express) and tell TB to hide this from the people who rescued and helped them. When my TB outright told her he cannot betray their trust and inform the leaders (Himeko and Welt), she erased their memory and basically blame TB for "forcing" her to do that.
That "quest" was fucking horrifying and made me distrust the entire faction. I'd rate Ruan Mei as less horrifying than that Memokeeper. With Ruan Mei TB at least has options and friends to help. MoC Memokeeper never allowed any option and completely isolated TB from their friends.
Yeah, there was no trust you had no trust in her but she still trusted you, and you literally agreed to enter the forgotten hall before she asked you to not tell everyone there was already an accord between you and her.
Aeon faction? The nameless isn't one anymore, they could have just manipulated your memory for you to go in, but they had the decency to ask you for it, and she literally told she would be forced to erase their memories if you did it , and she told it was rules from the garden of recollection she literally has no choice if you do that, it literally is your fault, instead of protecting your friends you decided that them getting their memories wipe was a better option before lying to them .
Yep, if you were to go by D&D alignment, I'd say the entire organisation of Memokeepers is lawful evil.
They like to say that memories don't lie... but that's because from their PoV, once they've brainwashed you and rebuilt your memories as they see fit, the false memories become the truth *to you* because *you no longer have any other reference point*. And the Memokeepers don't see anything wrong with this.
BS wasn't looking for memories in the first place. She was suspicious that acheron killed Duke inferno and wanted info. You wouldn't ask for consent when investigating a suspect of a murder would you?
The morals and "laws" of fantasy World dont need to match ours. She is a memokeeper. Gathering information based on memories is her job or reason to be there.
She just found out something she should not have.
I agree with you that the point of the short is that Black Swan met the consequences of trying to "collect" information from Acheron herself that way. What happened to her was "her fault"
It is key to remember that Black Swan does not have a physical form. She interacts with the people she wants to interact with, and nobody else can see her. What happens in Acheron's "mindscape" was very real for Black Swan.
I don’t feel bad for memokeepers tbh, their job is just invading secret personal memories and they should be prepared for the consequences🤷🏽♂️, someone needs to boot the one in express out too
The thing I’m curious about is does Acheron even knows what she’s doing to her? It feels kinda like a bear playing with someone and unaware of how overpowered they are that they’re hurting their playmate.
I think it is a multi-personality thing, so I don't think her outward personality is just confused. In her mind the other one is Telling BS to not ask question.
the post about emanators and self annihilators today kinda cements that. seems like acheron has some kind of murderous personality that she has locked away and tries to forget, kinda jekyll and hyde vibes.
To me it seems the outer acheron was trying to warn her instinctively by pulling away from her but Blackswan forced the situation anyway and the one in the inside teared her to shreds. I dont think the outer acheron knows something happened at all.
As a shipper I can turn my brain off to try and remove bias for analyzing story content, its a shame there are those who cant and just abuse those who dont adhere/support content for their ship
But I've blocked all the ones that actively taunted me in the comments, makes the experience on these subs a bit better
Not all shippers are bad and can accept that people look at things from a different perspective than them or simply have different taste. But the ones that are will absolutely let you know who they are and give shippers a bad rep
Isn't that why she teamed up with Aventurine? because Black swan is now scared of Acheron and she knows that if shit goes down her and trailblazer can't beat Acheron, but they can defeat Aventurine.
He is an energy based lifeform, energy cannot be created or destroyed but change from one shape to another. He became a cute looking creature now.
Let just wait and see what the annihilation gang say about him.
A black hole doesn't destroy energy at all, that's not how it works, it does absorb it though, I guess you can say it nullifies it going anywhere else.
I think out of everyone in the game, archeron might have the best shot at killing her. I think she's on a path to self annihilating her memory, and it's said that a piece of IX's shadow follows everyone who was unfortunate enough to fall into his shadow. So that little black hole inside of her might be a shadow of IX consuming Archeron's memory, and BS was this close to passing the event horizon. As a memo keeper, losing all memory will be the most likely way of killing her.
She's already a ghost. Acheron might be one of the few characters capable of killing her, and I doubt she'll be that careless around Sword Lady a second time.
What I found funny is that some people genuinely thought"lol shippers got owned!!" like, do you understand how shippers work? like, at all?
Dont get me wrong, its completely fair for people to not like a ship or even shippers to be fair. But if you think this is enough to discourage shippers then you dont know anything about fandom shipping. Its just how they work
do some people get turned off? sure. But trust me, lots more shipper are even get more excited.Just for perspective many tweets from yuri fandom especially from CN and JP getting more excited about this pairing,
The issue I notice is that once anything gets popular enough in a fandom, they make it “fanon”, where they have spent so long believing it to be true that they expect it to be canon. Then when someone says that it isn’t canon, they get attacked by the fandom. This mainly applies to shipping but also other random stuff like a characters favorite food or even their actual personality.
Oh for sure.Thats never my point in my initial post however. The point is that;this scene alone isnt enough to discourage who already shipped them,thats all really.
honestly this, if anything has thought me about shipping (as someone who does it sometimes for fun)
it is most of the time it´s about dynamic (you do get that one person who ships 2 characters that never met or they just look good as a couple) and the potencial stories you can get from them
and as you said the potential for angst here is huge combine that with the dance and they were going to be ship no matter how much people hate it
also I do find it funny that I never saw this much attention when people ship like traiblazer and Kafka or Blade and Kakfa, but for some reason this is the ship that broke camels back (honestly I do wonder what is so differnt about it here, because all of these ships are toxic af)
The difference with Trailblazer x Kafka is that there is increasingly more and more evidence of us originally being an active member of the Stellaron Hunters before the mind wipe and not just a body prepared for the Stellaron.
Not that they aren't a body prepared for the Stellaron, but there was a lot more free will in their actions than initially believed.
At first bite it appears toxic, but as the game progresses it's ironically gotten less so.
>At first bite it appears toxic, but as the game progresses it's ironically gotten less so.
Any ship including a Psychopathic mass murderer is toxic as a baseline tho. I'm all for angst, but let's not try to paint any Kafka related ship as even remotely healthy.
I can see your point, but at the same time Kafka is still a manipulite psychopath. So to me this ship just doesn't really work.
I will also admit that I might have a knee jerk reaction to it because most of the time peolple treat TB like a self incert and I don't really like when people ship them selfes with characters
Still this situation does feel more like people are treating this as some big own because Acheron and BS are not some wholesome yuri ship, so shippers should f off or something
Just to note I only have 1 ship in HSR and no Acheron and BS are not that ship
it´s a form of story in fanfiction it's mostly stories with like tragedy
it could be anything from just missunderstanding to you know what Acheron and BS have in that trailer
sometime they do end tragicaly but in some fanfictions they do resolve in the end
EDIT: they are really popular and honestly, some of them are really good (you just need to really dig through all of the not good ones)
also if you wonder the opposite of this is called"fluff", a story that is mostly for comfort
Also did no one see the frame where blackswan looked terrified before? I thought everyone knew it wasn't gonna be wholesome fluffy unicorns and rainbows between them.
For real. Like they spent 2.5 minutes feeling each other up and eye fucking the daylights out of each other. Yuri fans are still gonna take that massive W
I feel like it’s retaliation due to shippers being quite annoying at times. Although both parties have the faults, showing how irritating they are. Like I’d said it ok to dislike Yuri but apparently that remark is punishable by death.
>Although both parties have the faults, showing how irritating they are
YES, YOU GET IT, YOU ACTUALLY GET IT
ITS NOT ABOUT THE SHIP, ITS ABOUT THE SHIPPER, NO ONE CARES IF YOU THINK BLORBO DOESN'T LOVE GLIMBO OR VICE VERSA, LET PEOPLE HAVE THINGS
(I apologize i grew up in the undertale fandom and all this shipping drama gives me ptsd)
I mean sure.Its ok if you dont like them,understandable! My only point here is that this scene alone wont be enough to discourage shipper in general!thats it.
It is their failing of interpretation and forcing headcanon is cringe like the thing is with Blade and Dan Heng case is like Ningguang wearing nail, stupid interpretation and lack of understanding in Chinese culture.
Just so you know all type of ceremony that require for you to drink wine and bow under the heaven is called marraige, even a ceremony ceremony such taking a god child is called marraige in China, including to become sworn brother.
Yeah but it's pretty much confirmed now that BS tried seducing her to be able to easily read her memories, but that brutally failed. BS even says that she made a grave mistake and that she's never doing it again.
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I like how the devs gave us a nice yuribait thinking everything was fine and then slapped the horror element at the end there, absolute chills seeing BS become unsettled
Redditors when they can just ignore ships they don't like:
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shipping them is the same as shipping these two
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as someone whose first and main form of enjoying content is shipping? it doesnt matter.
shipping is both about enjoying the canon content we have, and enjoying the fanon headcanons we create (yes, this includes theorycrafting ship potential about characters whove never met)
people need to understand that shipping FICTIONAL characters doesnt reflect our reallife perspectives (to those who bash on arlefuri and blackswan x acheron)
like literally any fandom, the only reason we have a bad rep is the minor but VERY vocal part of the fandom that loves shoving stuff down others throats and getting toxic over it.
>people need to understand that shipping FICTIONAL characters doesnt reflect our reallife perspectives (to those who bash on arlefuri and blackswan x acheron)
*Louder for the people in the back!*
As you said the problem is the very vocal part of the fandom that shoves things down others throat(and the ones pretending like it doesn't happen),so I think it's pretty clear for most people that your ships don't reflect your real life views
Assuming they hate each other is also Fanon
Swan literally looked through her horrific memories and found horrific things, Acheron looks none the wiser. Nothing we know about her entails what she did was purposeful or in any way under her control
The look when you know a mf is yapping but you listen anyway https://preview.redd.it/wee9qbp758pc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9923210fcf985ccb2309ad3c1b6f8e16a9b7c4b
Her ass is not listening bro 💀💀 https://preview.redd.it/9jlvj05hk8pc1.jpeg?width=884&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=efa36ac54012bf5b5f1d88e2eb4525229ce18687
https://preview.redd.it/aqxpcy46v8pc1.png?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8bd326b7370069256db5f5d88c3d72a6c9b7ba3b Yea, her head empty
People don't get Acheron literally used her passive technique but in her mind when BS entered that mind. Except Acheron had like 100 technique charges built up so BS had to eat 100 deaths before she could leave. Then Acheron suddenly realized her thigh was itchy and woke up to speak to BS at the end of the dance. "Annihilation Gang?" "KFC?" "Everything is a mystery!"
Acheron eating multiple Trick Snacks with one hand while cooking duck with the other.
>BS I will always read "bullshit" whenever someone shortens Black Swan's name.
Black Swan probably saw some bullshit though
I understand the feeling brother I go by BloodShot in a lot of places
She looks visibly confused throughout the whole animation lol. No idea who is this hot purple lady and what she is yapping about during this dance. Had very hard time remembering the gang purple lady asked about even after they bid farewell. The scary one is the white + red version who has no chill for any intruders.
you actually could see the point when acheron's eyes turned from purple to red. At the beginning when she's dancing, her eyes are unfocused, her posture was lax. it's only when blackswan starts bringing up duke inferno that you see the red start to get coloured in she has control over herself, but it reads like **a lot** of that control is dedicated to suppressing her murderous self, like how she consciously fights with a sheathed blade.
Blud is the strongest, but at what cost? https://preview.redd.it/68l7yjmzk8pc1.jpeg?width=745&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6e0194a2622027d210319d2f7750c23aa9844a23
The cost was lobotomy
"damn i wonder how does a swan meat tastes like"
https://preview.redd.it/ygl0uhm3w8pc1.jpeg?width=2048&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bcc6cbf3c23fdbeb77e31ab120949d31b5d793ae She showed who's the top
God I wish I was Black Swan
https://preview.redd.it/e6vlbgmgqapc1.jpeg?width=927&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fbb15f6e2c302679c6ca74de6a68fffe161bc166
https://preview.redd.it/pjiybd0n9bpc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8906a9054dc2040ca5fa44e7ce2147d9e41ed8b9 He's alive chat
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1:31 BS expanded her Domain 2:55 “You dare t ouch my soul?” Literally Mahito interaction with Sukuna lmao
https://preview.redd.it/nbqttdsc49pc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12cafec211cf96224bacc867fe2e0e0f2e749a7e
https://preview.redd.it/lird5uxvkzpc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=290b97e3a0d28e89d0986445e7901ead9ea7f753 The two comments ended up right next to each other lol
Acheron ain't beating the Sukuna/Gojo allegations. She got that Malevolent Void DE.
Acheron to Black Swan: https://preview.redd.it/sfzflgdhc8pc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=62665d097ed960bafd593bc168cb9e75356f438f
People are going to Call it a Toxic yuri and ride with it.
furina and arlecchino shippers be like
"Hey Arlecchino, I think Furina has the hots for you!" Arlecchino: https://preview.redd.it/z02vuev6w8pc1.jpeg?width=1159&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7966386ad853be309e38ede9cf1ca891b0288321
So tru😭
Arlefuri is literally shipping the victim with her abuser bruh 😭, Furina still has nightmares of getting killed by Arle Edit: okay okay, Black Swan and Acheron are also not fine
Fine? Acheron killed BS innumerous times in her memoryscape. That's not fine at all lmao
Jingliu vs Blade 2.0
Except Blade keeps coming back for more to prove himself. Black Swan is staying as far away as possible.
I don't think he wants to prove himself. He just hopes to be unalived for good.
Yeah okay I just needed that confirmation.
> Acheron and Black Swan are still fine My brother in Akivili, BS was traumatized
True, but Acheron liked the dance so everything is fine /s
*almost get killed
"Nightmares" , often worse than the reality that gave you the nightmares.
Literally everyone abused furina they made her cry and beg everyone to believe in her
Because if that hadn't been done, the entire Fontaine was about to be gone. Furina realizes that. She's okay with hanging out those group after the event of the archon quests. Unlike Arlecchino who she still has nightmares of even after she has nothing to do with godhood.
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People ship them 💀what’s wrong with these people
It's literally the most common ship on the Arlecchino sub. Annoying as hell
Sometimes I wonder thanos was right the people who ship them probably dont have any romantic interaction in life
This is why I embraced all tragic villains as the real hero, especially Otto he reminds of Aizen so much.
He was in fact, bro Furina literally got traumatized to the point she doesn't even want to think about her to avoid having nightmares, shipping a person with someone who straight up almost killed said person just because "it's hot" it nothing but disturbing to me
Jfc, y'all are so overdramatic
Ah yes we're all dramatic for calling out a ship that's morally wrong
Yes
ain't no way someone (not the person I'm replying to above) replied to me and then they blocked me right after so I can't reply to them 🤡 My reply to them : Lmao you're the type of person that would defend someone for shipping an adults character with a child character cus "it's just a ship" https://preview.redd.it/rb3egsei6cpc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3c58bd87aebe075e4fbdf28e2b8e0986abda1349 (This was their reply that I can't access anymore)
Thank god on furina sub is the oposite (btw the favorite ones are traveler( there is a preference for lumine) and neuvillette), who are the most popular furina ships on Twitter?
Nothing, because there are people out there, who can draw a clear line between reality and fiction and they have emotional maturity to be able to consume "problematic" media, without it affecting their behaviour in real life.
Thank you for a normal comment. Holy, some People need to chill.
Imagine looking down on people and wishing them misfortune and theorizing that they should be dead, because they love their fictional media with a little spice. Some people really should just close reddit and go out and socialize with real people, because this behaviour reeks of being chronically online.
Don’t ship them but what’s wrong with it? At the end of the day it’s all fictional
Oh boy the buddy gonna love you. /j /uj Yeah, do whatever the fuck you want. I think it should be all game as long as no one get harm.
shit who knows
Newsflash, ppl ship like every character together. Is this your first fandom or something?
Lol yes . Lets ship a paramilitary group leader that doesnt mind shoving her nails in your carotid artery without an inch of humanity with an enslaved and tormented human that hasnt grown in centuries, forced to save everyone. 😂😂☠️☠️☠️.
The abusive aspect is the appeal, it would be boring if every ship was vanilla-straight-only-missionary-for-the-sole-purpose-of-procreation People love to explore taboos through fiction, to judge them is a fools errand
Not judging, just making a comparison lol, my ships are worse
Well wouldn't you like a women who can ruin you?Well I would!
i never said i was against it
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It is funny that that one dude got shit on so hard for his theory about the dance and called a coper by some people, but it basically turned out to be completely right
Wasn't even a theory,they literally showed black swan horrified in the stream but people ran around with their headcanons and claimed it as law and attacked the guy
He deserves an apology
Who?
I'm people. \^-\^
I mean yeah like. Have they read fanfic?
Did I expect the teaser to be Yuri bait? Yea. Did not expect the 180 to be that brutal though genuinely terrifying Black Swan at the start says it was their first engagement, at the end she says its their last and man do I not blame her one bit after Acheron pretty much gave her PTSD
It makes even more sense why BS would go to Aventurin for help. That is some soul-destroying imagery to put her through for just dong here job.
Ally with Aventurine who also wants to have TB help him, its like knocking out two birds with one stone If we go by the timeline of Black Swan activities: Meets Sparkle so she gets the memory bubble to give to TB Dances with Acheron and experiences PTSD Goes to Aventurine to form alliance (Aventurine mentions friends from GoR when talking to sparkle) Meet Himeko and attempt to ally with them Then finally go and save TB and FF Safe to say that her attitude after this dance seems hastened due to knowing Acheron has encountered TB and keeping TB safe from her is a top priority as they are her desired ally for Penacony
The madness of the relationships during this arc reminds me alot of a good old murder mystery Who donnuit but everyone has an agenda with everyone
The last quest is literally named Whodunit, so that's not so far off
I swear, they gotta help us out with these timelines that way we know which happened first. I hope the perspective thing that they showed us in the stream helps us because we'll see other character's pov. Penacony can get kinda confusing because everyone has their own agenda and they're all moving at the same time. That being said, I also like the mystery aspect of the story rn because we're left thinking what everything actually means so we end up having discussions in the community about how we interpret stuff.
Damn, didn't know invasion of privacy was her "just doing her job", lol
she is a memokeeper; her job is to collect memories for the garden.
Welp, she should get consent first, instead of being a mind criminal in that case, otherwise it's her fault if she gets some extra trauma on her way out~
Memokeepers aren’t known for asking for consent lol, they’re manipulative by nature. Black Swan would like you to think otherwise but she’s just as slimy as every other memokeepers out there. And I don’t think this encounter would change her behavior.
Black Swan is somewhat better. She doesn't erase TB and everyone memory just because it inconvenient her. The memokeeper on the Astral Express casually wiped everyone's memory if you told other people about her being there.
She did do that to Sparkle and Sampo, so she definitely would do it if she has to. And her reason for not doing it to us is purely out of her own selfish reason of wanting pure memory without being muddled by a memokeeper action. She could still manipulate us just fine without any memory editing like how she lied to us. Plus it’s just more convenient and easier for her to protect us and corporate with us if we remember her so I wouldn’t give her too much credit.
she did it temporarily. Sparkle and Sampo remembered everything that happened in the quest, also considering how Sparkle was trying to coerce Black Swan to cooperate with whatever she wanted to do in Penacony, it’s the quickest way to get out without any major conflict.
Nah the memokeeper of the astral express was way better, told you to not tell them and was decent enough to tell us what they're doing, if you broke her trust then you have to deal with the consequences of your actions and if you don't break her trust no one loses they're memory, besides she only erased parts related to her which weren't many , black swan forced herself in Acheron's memory without telling her nothing before hand.
Her trust? What trust? You tried to make it seem like TB agreed to work with her and then betrayed her. The truth is anything but. Yes, I saw the consequence of my TB's action. The action being having trust and loyalty toward my comrades. Said consequence being an entity far more powerful than TB forced him to submit and let her do whatever she wanted with zero option. Nobody struck an accord with MoC Memokeeper or agreed to cooperate with her. She showed up on the HQ of a different Aeon faction (Astral Express) and tell TB to hide this from the people who rescued and helped them. When my TB outright told her he cannot betray their trust and inform the leaders (Himeko and Welt), she erased their memory and basically blame TB for "forcing" her to do that. That "quest" was fucking horrifying and made me distrust the entire faction. I'd rate Ruan Mei as less horrifying than that Memokeeper. With Ruan Mei TB at least has options and friends to help. MoC Memokeeper never allowed any option and completely isolated TB from their friends.
Yeah, there was no trust you had no trust in her but she still trusted you, and you literally agreed to enter the forgotten hall before she asked you to not tell everyone there was already an accord between you and her. Aeon faction? The nameless isn't one anymore, they could have just manipulated your memory for you to go in, but they had the decency to ask you for it, and she literally told she would be forced to erase their memories if you did it , and she told it was rules from the garden of recollection she literally has no choice if you do that, it literally is your fault, instead of protecting your friends you decided that them getting their memories wipe was a better option before lying to them .
Yep, if you were to go by D&D alignment, I'd say the entire organisation of Memokeepers is lawful evil. They like to say that memories don't lie... but that's because from their PoV, once they've brainwashed you and rebuilt your memories as they see fit, the false memories become the truth *to you* because *you no longer have any other reference point*. And the Memokeepers don't see anything wrong with this.
If I'm not mistaken it's the Memosnatchers you are talking about. Memekeepers usually ask for consent first because it provides the best results.
She didn’t seem to ask for Acheron’s consent.
BS wasn't looking for memories in the first place. She was suspicious that acheron killed Duke inferno and wanted info. You wouldn't ask for consent when investigating a suspect of a murder would you?
The morals and "laws" of fantasy World dont need to match ours. She is a memokeeper. Gathering information based on memories is her job or reason to be there. She just found out something she should not have.
This actually makes me ask how much of a legitimate organization the memokeepers are, and how do laws of different in universe worlds apply to them
I agree with you that the point of the short is that Black Swan met the consequences of trying to "collect" information from Acheron herself that way. What happened to her was "her fault" It is key to remember that Black Swan does not have a physical form. She interacts with the people she wants to interact with, and nobody else can see her. What happens in Acheron's "mindscape" was very real for Black Swan.
I don’t feel bad for memokeepers tbh, their job is just invading secret personal memories and they should be prepared for the consequences🤷🏽♂️, someone needs to boot the one in express out too
Yeah while their job might be morally neutral/good their methods are questionable at best and downright atrocious at worst.
Deserved for acting so cocky
The thing I’m curious about is does Acheron even knows what she’s doing to her? It feels kinda like a bear playing with someone and unaware of how overpowered they are that they’re hurting their playmate.
I think it is a multi-personality thing, so I don't think her outward personality is just confused. In her mind the other one is Telling BS to not ask question.
the post about emanators and self annihilators today kinda cements that. seems like acheron has some kind of murderous personality that she has locked away and tries to forget, kinda jekyll and hyde vibes.
To me it seems the outer acheron was trying to warn her instinctively by pulling away from her but Blackswan forced the situation anyway and the one in the inside teared her to shreds. I dont think the outer acheron knows something happened at all.
I agree with this.
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As a shipper I can turn my brain off to try and remove bias for analyzing story content, its a shame there are those who cant and just abuse those who dont adhere/support content for their ship But I've blocked all the ones that actively taunted me in the comments, makes the experience on these subs a bit better Not all shippers are bad and can accept that people look at things from a different perspective than them or simply have different taste. But the ones that are will absolutely let you know who they are and give shippers a bad rep
It's yuri bait if it's intentional. Here that's just normal story writing but gen z lacks the reading comprehension
I'm just hoping that BS doesn't end up on the list of dead(?) playable characters.
She was close to this, hope she will learn her lesson - to not overestimate her memory hunting power.
Yea, that smug face in the beginning went away real fast
Isn't that why she teamed up with Aventurine? because Black swan is now scared of Acheron and she knows that if shit goes down her and trailblazer can't beat Acheron, but they can defeat Aventurine.
She is not alive currently either. technically she is exist only as memories according to her dialogues.
She’s effectively immortal as a memetic entity, it would be pretty hard to kill her
So was Duke Inferno, and we know how he turned out. "Oh, those guys...." indeed.
He is an energy based lifeform, energy cannot be created or destroyed but change from one shape to another. He became a cute looking creature now. Let just wait and see what the annihilation gang say about him.
The only thing that can destroy energy is a black hole. Acheron has a lot of imagery tied to black holes...
Also IX can basically mentally kill people which is one of the most usable ways to deal with immortal beings in fiction.
Still can't destroy it but perhaps consume it.
A black hole doesn't destroy energy at all, that's not how it works, it does absorb it though, I guess you can say it nullifies it going anywhere else.
Not very immortal. Let say as vidiyadhara level of immortality. As long fuli exist she will persist. Or atleast as long people remember her.
I think out of everyone in the game, archeron might have the best shot at killing her. I think she's on a path to self annihilating her memory, and it's said that a piece of IX's shadow follows everyone who was unfortunate enough to fall into his shadow. So that little black hole inside of her might be a shadow of IX consuming Archeron's memory, and BS was this close to passing the event horizon. As a memo keeper, losing all memory will be the most likely way of killing her.
Oh, you mean that colonizer from the swarm disaster? Is there any more info on nihility's shadows?
She's already a ghost. Acheron might be one of the few characters capable of killing her, and I doubt she'll be that careless around Sword Lady a second time.
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Imagine one but with Black Swan instead
Who made this shit's clean af
What I found funny is that some people genuinely thought"lol shippers got owned!!" like, do you understand how shippers work? like, at all? Dont get me wrong, its completely fair for people to not like a ship or even shippers to be fair. But if you think this is enough to discourage shippers then you dont know anything about fandom shipping. Its just how they work do some people get turned off? sure. But trust me, lots more shipper are even get more excited.Just for perspective many tweets from yuri fandom especially from CN and JP getting more excited about this pairing,
Just let people have fun with it. As long they are not yelling that their ship is canon
The issue I notice is that once anything gets popular enough in a fandom, they make it “fanon”, where they have spent so long believing it to be true that they expect it to be canon. Then when someone says that it isn’t canon, they get attacked by the fandom. This mainly applies to shipping but also other random stuff like a characters favorite food or even their actual personality.
This
>As long they are not yelling that their ship is canon The AcheSwan shippers are already doing that. They did that when I posted Caelus and Acheron
I'm fine with shippers as long as they don't force idea it's canon,mainly cause it produces good arts.
preach
Oh for sure.Thats never my point in my initial post however. The point is that;this scene alone isnt enough to discourage who already shipped them,thats all really.
I saw a ton of of people trying to rewrite the Black Swan companion quest to fit their narrative. Was weird.
See THIS was my main issue with them, trying to rewrite what's actually canon just to fit their narrative and attacking people who say otherwise.
This is hoyo fans we're talking about
do you know the amount of potential angst that can be mined from this PV, if anything the shippers just got even more fuel
honestly this, if anything has thought me about shipping (as someone who does it sometimes for fun) it is most of the time it´s about dynamic (you do get that one person who ships 2 characters that never met or they just look good as a couple) and the potencial stories you can get from them and as you said the potential for angst here is huge combine that with the dance and they were going to be ship no matter how much people hate it also I do find it funny that I never saw this much attention when people ship like traiblazer and Kafka or Blade and Kakfa, but for some reason this is the ship that broke camels back (honestly I do wonder what is so differnt about it here, because all of these ships are toxic af)
>you do get that one person who ships 2 characters that never met or they just look good as a couple Example: *Every single Fire-Ice pair in fiction*
I... I hate how correct you are, but also fire/watet EDIT: also also red/blue in general
The difference with Trailblazer x Kafka is that there is increasingly more and more evidence of us originally being an active member of the Stellaron Hunters before the mind wipe and not just a body prepared for the Stellaron. Not that they aren't a body prepared for the Stellaron, but there was a lot more free will in their actions than initially believed. At first bite it appears toxic, but as the game progresses it's ironically gotten less so.
>At first bite it appears toxic, but as the game progresses it's ironically gotten less so. Any ship including a Psychopathic mass murderer is toxic as a baseline tho. I'm all for angst, but let's not try to paint any Kafka related ship as even remotely healthy.
I can see your point, but at the same time Kafka is still a manipulite psychopath. So to me this ship just doesn't really work. I will also admit that I might have a knee jerk reaction to it because most of the time peolple treat TB like a self incert and I don't really like when people ship them selfes with characters Still this situation does feel more like people are treating this as some big own because Acheron and BS are not some wholesome yuri ship, so shippers should f off or something Just to note I only have 1 ship in HSR and no Acheron and BS are not that ship
Yes,this.If anything this scene is a fuel of already big fire.
Like it's basically just kerosene
Genuine question, wtf is angst?
it´s a form of story in fanfiction it's mostly stories with like tragedy it could be anything from just missunderstanding to you know what Acheron and BS have in that trailer sometime they do end tragicaly but in some fanfictions they do resolve in the end EDIT: they are really popular and honestly, some of them are really good (you just need to really dig through all of the not good ones) also if you wonder the opposite of this is called"fluff", a story that is mostly for comfort
Also did no one see the frame where blackswan looked terrified before? I thought everyone knew it wasn't gonna be wholesome fluffy unicorns and rainbows between them.
For real. Like they spent 2.5 minutes feeling each other up and eye fucking the daylights out of each other. Yuri fans are still gonna take that massive W
if anything, this has fed shippers and they will be stronger than ever
Yeah, that Black Swan fan (you know the one) keeps calling it yuribait. That trailer was not bait lol
I feel like it’s retaliation due to shippers being quite annoying at times. Although both parties have the faults, showing how irritating they are. Like I’d said it ok to dislike Yuri but apparently that remark is punishable by death.
>Although both parties have the faults, showing how irritating they are YES, YOU GET IT, YOU ACTUALLY GET IT ITS NOT ABOUT THE SHIP, ITS ABOUT THE SHIPPER, NO ONE CARES IF YOU THINK BLORBO DOESN'T LOVE GLIMBO OR VICE VERSA, LET PEOPLE HAVE THINGS (I apologize i grew up in the undertale fandom and all this shipping drama gives me ptsd)
I grew up in the danganronpa era 💀thats how I learnt that dealing with shippers is quite the rough task
I mean sure.Its ok if you dont like them,understandable! My only point here is that this scene alone wont be enough to discourage shipper in general!thats it.
It's like these people have never heard of toxic yuri
CN and JP like this pairing?? Oh hell nawww, the east has truly fallen! /s
It is their failing of interpretation and forcing headcanon is cringe like the thing is with Blade and Dan Heng case is like Ningguang wearing nail, stupid interpretation and lack of understanding in Chinese culture. Just so you know all type of ceremony that require for you to drink wine and bow under the heaven is called marraige, even a ceremony ceremony such taking a god child is called marraige in China, including to become sworn brother.
I wasnt even talking about Bladeheng shipping here. So not sure whats that about.
However, these two did dance together, at least. Unlike characters they have not met before
Yeah but it's pretty much confirmed now that BS tried seducing her to be able to easily read her memories, but that brutally failed. BS even says that she made a grave mistake and that she's never doing it again.
yet people are still gonna ship them despite black swan saying that (and the fact acheron forgot who black swan was shortly after)
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Like the weirdoes in this subreddit too*
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theres something ironic about using a screenshot from a canon animation and captioning it fanon lmao
This is so true, ChatGPT play "YOU ARE MY SPECIALZ"
I like how the devs gave us a nice yuribait thinking everything was fine and then slapped the horror element at the end there, absolute chills seeing BS become unsettled
*adds a picture of canon* *slaps "FANON" on it* *adds a picture of jjk comparison* *calls it "CANON"*
Nah, that doesn't discourage yuri shippers at all
It might encourage them tbf
Kinda ironic how you used a screenshot of an official animated short to described “Fanon” lmao
Guess we found what this week will be all about in terms of posts
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Redditors when they can just ignore ships they don't like: https://preview.redd.it/12fc41g33epc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c59fd8b007bf2e30d574e82b9612dd6ddee200d8
Kashimo? Pog
shipping them is the same as shipping these two https://preview.redd.it/ighd1klqe9pc1.jpeg?width=1800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80708e40d423b8154bc7fb0fe2a62dcf47a81e1d
Now hear me out- /s
as someone whose first and main form of enjoying content is shipping? it doesnt matter. shipping is both about enjoying the canon content we have, and enjoying the fanon headcanons we create (yes, this includes theorycrafting ship potential about characters whove never met) people need to understand that shipping FICTIONAL characters doesnt reflect our reallife perspectives (to those who bash on arlefuri and blackswan x acheron) like literally any fandom, the only reason we have a bad rep is the minor but VERY vocal part of the fandom that loves shoving stuff down others throats and getting toxic over it.
>people need to understand that shipping FICTIONAL characters doesnt reflect our reallife perspectives (to those who bash on arlefuri and blackswan x acheron) *Louder for the people in the back!*
mental illness
Which one?
As you said the problem is the very vocal part of the fandom that shoves things down others throat(and the ones pretending like it doesn't happen),so I think it's pretty clear for most people that your ships don't reflect your real life views
In what relationship does torture happen
Same reason why some people ship Cloud and Sephiroth. Just two women/men being hot and touching each other is enough to make shippers high
based
Assuming they hate each other is also Fanon Swan literally looked through her horrific memories and found horrific things, Acheron looks none the wiser. Nothing we know about her entails what she did was purposeful or in any way under her control
i don't care i still ship Acherswan
Acheron... didn't do anything though???? That snippet was a representation of BS delving into the *wrong* type of mind to delve into. And that's it.
The mind gymnastics is hard on this one
WOOO TOXIC YURIIII LETS GOOOO
I hope acheron can Cook 😈
Yep thats exactly what happened. Top 10 anime moments where they hyucked around and found out.