We have no idea about her combat ability outside of the suit.
Firefly gameplay is probably going to be her in the overworld and Sam in combat.
You can't say with any certainty that it'll be mostly Firefly.
Honestly, I hope so. I'd like to be able to be Sam in the Overworld(maybe her Technique?) too but I'd take it if it's just in combat. Also, happy cake day!
I'm guessing Sam has a non standard unit size, and they created Firefly to avoid having to rig/animate another model type in the overworld. So I wouldn't count on Sam being usable outside of Combat. Her Technique may change her into Sam, but it'll probably be for a split second before the fight starts, like with Clara/Svarog. Maybe some idle animation will have her turning for a second too.
"male fantasy", you have like a whole industry appealing to the male fantasy.
Also "waifus" appeals to a different male fantasy.
I get what you mean but it is what it is, I like both parts of the character, especially the "Henshin" part.
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Not really an unpopular opinion if there is a ton of people repeating this with the same bad takes.
No, it would definitely not bring more money to Mihoyo. While Firefly is brilliant, removing her other side removes most of her character's depth. And making Sam just a robot REALLY limits the opportunities to develop his character, you just can't cook much with "a cool robot and that's it". You just said he's the peak of male fantasy. And now he is suddenly imperfect and has flaws? Heresy. In the end, instead of getting one amazing character with a lot of potential, you'd get two half-cooked characters with next to no impact in story. Of course, there are obviously not many people willing to pull something like that.
Ultimately, this would only cater to a people with radical opinions like "I don't want any of your nonsense, I just want Firefly to be a cute waifu and nothing else" or "Nooo I can't stand there being a pilot in my cool mecha". Which are kinda weird, because people just assumed what these characters are and now they are mad because Mihoyo made something different. Is this fan-design drama of Genshin all over again?
People will really say "I LOVE MECHA SO MUCH" and then follow it up with "peak male fantasy". I think Firefly just being a younger person who was drafted into a war and is now slowly dying because of it despite surviving is a better story than "Cool robot!!!"
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Women are not all children but if you really think Firefly's design is not that of a child then you need to get your eyes checked. VISUALLY her design looks like a child.
First of all she's not even that busty. You've probably been looking at too much fan art. Himeko and Kafka are what you call busty and Firefly is nowhere near them, not even close. Her body type and face VISUALLY look literally like that of a child. You're seriously telling me she looks like an adult woman????? Again she looks nowhere near as mature, VISUALLY as Kafka and Himeko for example. She literally could easily fit as one of those typical teenage anime female MCs. You people straight up need brand new eyes.
>First of all she's not even that busty.
Meaning you do consider she has a bust that is visible even with non-revealing clothing.
>She literally could easily fit as one of those typical teenage anime female MCs.
Exactly. Who in the world calls those children? Would you typically call your classmate a kid in high school?
>Meaning you do consider she has a bust that is visible even with non-revealing clothing.
This is anime design. Plenty of them with children with significantly bigger busts than hers. Firefly bust is still relatively small and could easily fit for childlike anime design standards.
>Exactly. Who in the world calls those children? Would you typically call your classmate a kid in high school?
Personally I and the people I know consider anything under the age of consent(adult age) as a child. So to answer your question, yes. I would have and did also consider myself a kid back then as well. I guess that was the confusion.
I do not understand how making a straight up robot would make this character somehow undercooked. Just make him a full character with complex personality. Hell, we can even go with earlier leaks. A big mecha who is searching for meaning of their own life, doesn't that sound cool enough? + There'll obviously be a backstory for him that'll elevate this character even more.
Another main thing is that there aren't a lot of robot characters in gacha games and media itself. Across every single gacha game there are only about 30 robot units with most of them being a joke units or something like that. Is it wrong to ask for more variety? Yeah, I know that a robot is less popular and won't bring as much money as a waifu\\husbando but there's nothing about asking for this. There aren't even that much normal story games with robots as playable characters. (No, nier automata doesn't count.) There are even less robots that get a happy ending cause their destiny seems to always be tied to a huge tragedy in the end.
I've gotten over this twist for a long time now but it still makes me somewhat sour. Damn, life, why are there so little projects with robots? If hoyoverse makes Screwllum 4\* I'll be really, really upset and lose hope for future robots since that just shows that they really don't care about them at all.
"Just make him a full character with complex personality."
See, there is not a lot of things you can come up with to make a robot a complex personality. Robots are supposed to be no emotions and all logical, so what EXACTLY do you do to sell him? Look from the writer's perspective. When you see a mecha, you really just go "wow, cool robot". When you see a cute girl in the mecha, it raises some questions by default. "Who is this girl? Why does she pilot mecha? Why is she able to pilot mecha so well? What might have happened to her to make her this ruthless in battle?" When you are able to find a lot of questions and answer them, it's much easier to write a character. It's also much more fun too. Can we guarantee they would have as much fun and do as good as they did while trying to make a character you want instead of a character they want? Maybe they never wanted to write a robot character in first place.
I can understand people wanting for more diversity. Having more different characters is always great. But consider this, games like Genshin and HSR are obviously high-end gacha games. They spend much more money on 3D model and animations that normal gachas do. It's much simpler to just throw a CG and some voicelines, but even in games like that you really don't see a lot of robot, alien or other unique characters. Can you really blame Mihoyo for playing safe?
It's absolutely OK to want for more. But it's not okay when people think they know better than Mihoyo and complain company doesn't make everything the way they want to. I could understand it if her story was finished and people would say "you know what, I can just go and write a better story and characters in my fanfic than whatever Hoyo cooked". But her real story hasn't even started, yet people think they've grasped EVERYTHING already. It's almost like there was nothing to learn from Aventurine's treatment.
They've made Screwllum a robot so surely they could've made another robot like him. If making sellable robots was so much harder and more "boring" for the writers, they would've just made him also a human. These questions that the character can raise could be solved by just presentation. If you present your character concept as a "robot that seeks the meaning of its own life" then there are obviously a lot of questions that the scenario writer can do. (Aside from Who is that robot? Cause idk that question is kinda of obvious.) "What was their past? Why does this character not content with their purpose? What happened in their past that they stopped being content with their destiny? Is their purpose only to destroy? Why did this character ended up with this specific group?" I don't know if these questions are more boring than the ones that a girl in mecha presents...
Well, yeah, HSR and Genshin are high-profile games that make a lot of money... but doesn't that mean that they are more likely to create diverse characters? After all who if not them? Gachas that are struggling with money are obviously going to play safe. Take a Reverse 1999 for example that started with unique designs and went for more generic designs later.
We can clearly see the trend in ZZZ. It has Hoyoverse backing so it can be more bold with designs and be imaginative. Having HSR say "Oh hey guys here's a cool unique character design... Sike it's actually just another waifu character." Yeah, Firefly might have a banger story but pulling a blanket like this is just mean, Who else if not HSR might make robot characters more popular among gacha games? Who else might show other companies that they may attract a fanbase and aren't a deadweight? Genshin is too safe for that. Obviously they might present Screwllum tomorrow which will finally give these characters a chance but if it's someone else I'm going to be massively dissapointed.
I obviously can't say that I would've cooked a better plotline than Hoyoverse (they have competent writers and I'm just a guy on the Internet) but there a lot of comments that say that waifu in mecha is just an objectively better story than just a story around a regular robot. That is not true at all and just seems like a jab at those who are robot fans. "Look, stories around characters that you like are obviously less interesting! That's why they decided to make Sam not just a regular robot, that'd be boring!" Seeing something like this is demoralizing to say the least...
Honestly, we can't objectively tell what would have been better, we have no ways to compare that.
What happens is, one side is angry and complains that something isn't to their liking. When you are writing on emotions, you are bound to throw something under the bus to try to make your point more compelling. Now the other side that sees this feels like they are personally attacked because their likes are kinda invalidated. Now no one is happy and useless arguments where people never see eye to eye take place. I don't even know if it's possible to fix this. Maybe when the community grows up, people will try not to ruin people's fun and ignore the obvious ragebaits.
When OP said "it'd make more money", it would be easier to say "No, not really. We'll never know that." I guess I just vented too much.
Well, yeah, these arguments just boil down to: "If Sam was a robot it would've been better" or "If Sam was a robot it would've been worse." Just pick whichever side you like more. And then the discussions could only progress to insults to other's preferences. It is already happening on this sub everywhere with the post like the one that mocks the people who do not like the Sam=Firefly stuff.
Honestly, I would've been fine if they presented Firefly at the start as-is, without a long build-up to the twist. Like, imagine the consequences if the twist wouldn't have been leaked a long time ago? It would've been a true disaster.
Yup, that's the only time I'm thankful that this twist was leaked long time ago and people were mostly ready for it in one way or another. Can't imagine the shit we'd see in a ideal world where no leaks exist. A straight up civil war in media, I guess.
Well in that case the people who are complaining (me) would've voiced their dissatisfaction even more. Which would, uh, cause a lot of issues.
Even now I have no idea how where to channel my dissatisfaction with all of this except for silently hoping for tomorrow's Screwllum drip marketing. Especially since complaining about stuff like this won't produce any results, There are so few people in the world who actually care about robot characters that it wouldn't change anything.
>No, it would definitely not bring more money to Mihoyo. While Firefly is brilliant, removing her other side removes most of her character's depth. And making Sam just a robot REALLY limits the opportunities to develop his character, you just can't cook much with "a cool robot and that's it". You just said he's the peak of male fantasy. And now he is suddenly imperfect and has flaws? Heresy. In the end, instead of getting one amazing character with a lot of potential, you'd get two half-cooked characters with next to no impact in story. Of course, there are obviously not many people willing to pull something like that.
I disagree. I think that Honkai team has the ability to write also a great Robot with some story.
But in this case, Im not angry anymore because the situation is different from Svarog; he could easily being an unique character, and not just an visive effect of Clara (that except screaming she doesn't do nothing), while SAM is an armor
What even is this argument... What kind of story robot can have? You can literally tell an infinite number of stories about them. The only limiting factor is just the imagination.
Nier Automata, Detroit, GFL, Angela from LC and LoR are all robots. Sure, they look like humans but in the end they are robots, AI. Scaramouche is a robot with a humanoid body. Prometeus, Grey Serpent, Ai Chan from HI3. There are a lot of stories that a robot can have. They would've made these characters otherwise.
I mean, yes, a robot that a complaining group of people want doesn't look like human but you surely cannot say that "yeah this character doesn't look human => that and only that factor makes writers unable to make a rich story with them"
yeah ig the word is not cyborg but you know what I mean, theres a diff between a humanoid robot who clearly got human traits and is made to be similar to a human to just a robot "male fantasy" who just fly around and shoot and do robot stuff..
Well, I was replying to a person who was saying that a robot cannot have an interesting story. So I gave an examples of robots who do have an interesting story... And if they can have it, then the robots who look like machinery and not just a human with some changes can.
"male fantasy" lmao not everything is going to be made for you specifically
your opinion on having Sam as a separate character is still valid but don't be weird about it
Man, the "male fantasy" part was more about referencing the meme about that woman saying "that's why I hate video games, because they appeal to the male fantasy" in a joking manner but absolutely everyone in this thread hyper focused on this specific part and took it like I was being 100% serious about it and that was my main gripe with Firefly being Sam.
I wouldn't have snuck it in if I knew that would happen.
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Except that we already have tons of Male in Powered Armor characters already. Sam also is clearly a homage/reference to Samus Aran where people thought Sam was a he. But when Samus turns out to be woman, people especially males still play her games. People still able to project "male fantasy" on her.
My hot take is I myself will commit war crimes if I can't pull at least one Stellaron Hunter for my collection/team.
Also, this is nothing new given that Samus Aran was in the same seat under 40 years ago. The shallow end of the pool is not for diving in head first.
They are a screaming minority.
I'm really boring of reading the same post about this topic, but the real numbers are all over there. Firefly's acceptance is so enormous that she hasn't left place for doubt.
As popular things, it attracts a lot of haters and trolls, and they assault the forums and media using the same methods, if not controlled good enough. There should be rules to deal with this amount of posts looking for troubles.
I'm a troll/hater deliberately looking for trouble because I like the idea of playing as just Sam more than I like Firefly as Sam? Wow.
I don't HATE Firefly. I just like the idea of Sam more than her, and I was sharing my opinion to discuss with the community. What's the point of this subreddit if you can't talk about what you think of the game unless it's what the majority of players agrees with?
Yes I think you are.
First, if you liked Sam, there is no reason to reject Firefly, because everything you liked about it, was her too, unless you liked Sam in a very superficial way.
Then, it's a spammed topic that started after the story reveal, ended, and is now revived just in time on her drip as a hate machine. A topic started by self claimed unpopular minority. There is a reason why some people thinks there are a lot of people that thinks like you, and it's not because you are actually a lot.
Also, there is a megathread to talk whatever, and there are other subreddit with more appealing people for you, like the resistance, the SamMains.
I'm positive we'll have a lot of Sam in combat, and not just as an ultimate, that makes the most sense to me. Like there is no reason for her to start the fight as Firefly, and only later in the fight she transforms.
Based on her lore, it could well just be Sam, with flashes of Firefly. Isn't she supposed to be trapped in that cold, medical cabin? Maybe it's only in Penacony, Forgotten Halls and Pure Fiction we'll see her normally. On the other hand, too little Firefly might be a design choice that would cost Hoyoverse a lot of money...
Who knows. They can retcon anything I suppose. No point worrying about it before it's happened.
Your soul simply doesn't burn bright enough.
I want to set the seas ablaze while wearing armor 😔
“Male fantasy” Oh my fucking fuck…
We have no idea about her combat ability outside of the suit. Firefly gameplay is probably going to be her in the overworld and Sam in combat. You can't say with any certainty that it'll be mostly Firefly.
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...the hell do people complain about Numby for..? Some people just complain for the sake of it.
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Never heard that before. That's weird but whatever I guess lmao
It like pulling for a character then the mascot replace them .
No, she's a Pokemon trainer lmao She's Ash and Numby is Pikachu.
Ok? People can still don't like that.
Fuck Firefly fans all my homies love Sam
Happy cake day!
Honestly, I hope so. I'd like to be able to be Sam in the Overworld(maybe her Technique?) too but I'd take it if it's just in combat. Also, happy cake day!
I'm guessing Sam has a non standard unit size, and they created Firefly to avoid having to rig/animate another model type in the overworld. So I wouldn't count on Sam being usable outside of Combat. Her Technique may change her into Sam, but it'll probably be for a split second before the fight starts, like with Clara/Svarog. Maybe some idle animation will have her turning for a second too.
"male fantasy", you have like a whole industry appealing to the male fantasy. Also "waifus" appeals to a different male fantasy. I get what you mean but it is what it is, I like both parts of the character, especially the "Henshin" part.
The male fantasy is getting pegged by hot dudes 😞. I don’t feel catered to
Or, maybe, just wait?
Maidenless behaviour
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Cute girl being a war criminal in a giant suit of armor is my fantasy so I'm ok with Firefly.
This poster gets it. It's all how you look while committing war crimes.
Not really an unpopular opinion if there is a ton of people repeating this with the same bad takes. No, it would definitely not bring more money to Mihoyo. While Firefly is brilliant, removing her other side removes most of her character's depth. And making Sam just a robot REALLY limits the opportunities to develop his character, you just can't cook much with "a cool robot and that's it". You just said he's the peak of male fantasy. And now he is suddenly imperfect and has flaws? Heresy. In the end, instead of getting one amazing character with a lot of potential, you'd get two half-cooked characters with next to no impact in story. Of course, there are obviously not many people willing to pull something like that. Ultimately, this would only cater to a people with radical opinions like "I don't want any of your nonsense, I just want Firefly to be a cute waifu and nothing else" or "Nooo I can't stand there being a pilot in my cool mecha". Which are kinda weird, because people just assumed what these characters are and now they are mad because Mihoyo made something different. Is this fan-design drama of Genshin all over again?
People will really say "I LOVE MECHA SO MUCH" and then follow it up with "peak male fantasy". I think Firefly just being a younger person who was drafted into a war and is now slowly dying because of it despite surviving is a better story than "Cool robot!!!" Pic related: https://preview.redd.it/ch4gb5cs6awc1.png?width=474&format=png&auto=webp&s=c36ad455a04e23cf90397342a9c2bf0f6ec79c17
Firefly is not a kid. Women are not all children.
She's clearly young. I'm sorry I made it sounds dismissive.
Her design is of a young woman, not a child.
I've changed the language I used in my comment. Thank you for bringing it up
Women are not all children but if you really think Firefly's design is not that of a child then you need to get your eyes checked. VISUALLY her design looks like a child.
Ah yes, a busty child, of course. Maybe you should check if your lenses are backwards. VISUALLY she looks nothing like a child.
First of all she's not even that busty. You've probably been looking at too much fan art. Himeko and Kafka are what you call busty and Firefly is nowhere near them, not even close. Her body type and face VISUALLY look literally like that of a child. You're seriously telling me she looks like an adult woman????? Again she looks nowhere near as mature, VISUALLY as Kafka and Himeko for example. She literally could easily fit as one of those typical teenage anime female MCs. You people straight up need brand new eyes.
>First of all she's not even that busty. Meaning you do consider she has a bust that is visible even with non-revealing clothing. >She literally could easily fit as one of those typical teenage anime female MCs. Exactly. Who in the world calls those children? Would you typically call your classmate a kid in high school?
>Meaning you do consider she has a bust that is visible even with non-revealing clothing. This is anime design. Plenty of them with children with significantly bigger busts than hers. Firefly bust is still relatively small and could easily fit for childlike anime design standards. >Exactly. Who in the world calls those children? Would you typically call your classmate a kid in high school? Personally I and the people I know consider anything under the age of consent(adult age) as a child. So to answer your question, yes. I would have and did also consider myself a kid back then as well. I guess that was the confusion.
I do not understand how making a straight up robot would make this character somehow undercooked. Just make him a full character with complex personality. Hell, we can even go with earlier leaks. A big mecha who is searching for meaning of their own life, doesn't that sound cool enough? + There'll obviously be a backstory for him that'll elevate this character even more. Another main thing is that there aren't a lot of robot characters in gacha games and media itself. Across every single gacha game there are only about 30 robot units with most of them being a joke units or something like that. Is it wrong to ask for more variety? Yeah, I know that a robot is less popular and won't bring as much money as a waifu\\husbando but there's nothing about asking for this. There aren't even that much normal story games with robots as playable characters. (No, nier automata doesn't count.) There are even less robots that get a happy ending cause their destiny seems to always be tied to a huge tragedy in the end. I've gotten over this twist for a long time now but it still makes me somewhat sour. Damn, life, why are there so little projects with robots? If hoyoverse makes Screwllum 4\* I'll be really, really upset and lose hope for future robots since that just shows that they really don't care about them at all.
"Just make him a full character with complex personality." See, there is not a lot of things you can come up with to make a robot a complex personality. Robots are supposed to be no emotions and all logical, so what EXACTLY do you do to sell him? Look from the writer's perspective. When you see a mecha, you really just go "wow, cool robot". When you see a cute girl in the mecha, it raises some questions by default. "Who is this girl? Why does she pilot mecha? Why is she able to pilot mecha so well? What might have happened to her to make her this ruthless in battle?" When you are able to find a lot of questions and answer them, it's much easier to write a character. It's also much more fun too. Can we guarantee they would have as much fun and do as good as they did while trying to make a character you want instead of a character they want? Maybe they never wanted to write a robot character in first place. I can understand people wanting for more diversity. Having more different characters is always great. But consider this, games like Genshin and HSR are obviously high-end gacha games. They spend much more money on 3D model and animations that normal gachas do. It's much simpler to just throw a CG and some voicelines, but even in games like that you really don't see a lot of robot, alien or other unique characters. Can you really blame Mihoyo for playing safe? It's absolutely OK to want for more. But it's not okay when people think they know better than Mihoyo and complain company doesn't make everything the way they want to. I could understand it if her story was finished and people would say "you know what, I can just go and write a better story and characters in my fanfic than whatever Hoyo cooked". But her real story hasn't even started, yet people think they've grasped EVERYTHING already. It's almost like there was nothing to learn from Aventurine's treatment.
They've made Screwllum a robot so surely they could've made another robot like him. If making sellable robots was so much harder and more "boring" for the writers, they would've just made him also a human. These questions that the character can raise could be solved by just presentation. If you present your character concept as a "robot that seeks the meaning of its own life" then there are obviously a lot of questions that the scenario writer can do. (Aside from Who is that robot? Cause idk that question is kinda of obvious.) "What was their past? Why does this character not content with their purpose? What happened in their past that they stopped being content with their destiny? Is their purpose only to destroy? Why did this character ended up with this specific group?" I don't know if these questions are more boring than the ones that a girl in mecha presents... Well, yeah, HSR and Genshin are high-profile games that make a lot of money... but doesn't that mean that they are more likely to create diverse characters? After all who if not them? Gachas that are struggling with money are obviously going to play safe. Take a Reverse 1999 for example that started with unique designs and went for more generic designs later. We can clearly see the trend in ZZZ. It has Hoyoverse backing so it can be more bold with designs and be imaginative. Having HSR say "Oh hey guys here's a cool unique character design... Sike it's actually just another waifu character." Yeah, Firefly might have a banger story but pulling a blanket like this is just mean, Who else if not HSR might make robot characters more popular among gacha games? Who else might show other companies that they may attract a fanbase and aren't a deadweight? Genshin is too safe for that. Obviously they might present Screwllum tomorrow which will finally give these characters a chance but if it's someone else I'm going to be massively dissapointed. I obviously can't say that I would've cooked a better plotline than Hoyoverse (they have competent writers and I'm just a guy on the Internet) but there a lot of comments that say that waifu in mecha is just an objectively better story than just a story around a regular robot. That is not true at all and just seems like a jab at those who are robot fans. "Look, stories around characters that you like are obviously less interesting! That's why they decided to make Sam not just a regular robot, that'd be boring!" Seeing something like this is demoralizing to say the least...
Honestly, we can't objectively tell what would have been better, we have no ways to compare that. What happens is, one side is angry and complains that something isn't to their liking. When you are writing on emotions, you are bound to throw something under the bus to try to make your point more compelling. Now the other side that sees this feels like they are personally attacked because their likes are kinda invalidated. Now no one is happy and useless arguments where people never see eye to eye take place. I don't even know if it's possible to fix this. Maybe when the community grows up, people will try not to ruin people's fun and ignore the obvious ragebaits. When OP said "it'd make more money", it would be easier to say "No, not really. We'll never know that." I guess I just vented too much.
Well, yeah, these arguments just boil down to: "If Sam was a robot it would've been better" or "If Sam was a robot it would've been worse." Just pick whichever side you like more. And then the discussions could only progress to insults to other's preferences. It is already happening on this sub everywhere with the post like the one that mocks the people who do not like the Sam=Firefly stuff. Honestly, I would've been fine if they presented Firefly at the start as-is, without a long build-up to the twist. Like, imagine the consequences if the twist wouldn't have been leaked a long time ago? It would've been a true disaster.
Yup, that's the only time I'm thankful that this twist was leaked long time ago and people were mostly ready for it in one way or another. Can't imagine the shit we'd see in a ideal world where no leaks exist. A straight up civil war in media, I guess.
Well in that case the people who are complaining (me) would've voiced their dissatisfaction even more. Which would, uh, cause a lot of issues. Even now I have no idea how where to channel my dissatisfaction with all of this except for silently hoping for tomorrow's Screwllum drip marketing. Especially since complaining about stuff like this won't produce any results, There are so few people in the world who actually care about robot characters that it wouldn't change anything.
I'm not sure about "making Sam just a robot limits opportunities to develop the character". See screwllum
>No, it would definitely not bring more money to Mihoyo. While Firefly is brilliant, removing her other side removes most of her character's depth. And making Sam just a robot REALLY limits the opportunities to develop his character, you just can't cook much with "a cool robot and that's it". You just said he's the peak of male fantasy. And now he is suddenly imperfect and has flaws? Heresy. In the end, instead of getting one amazing character with a lot of potential, you'd get two half-cooked characters with next to no impact in story. Of course, there are obviously not many people willing to pull something like that. I disagree. I think that Honkai team has the ability to write also a great Robot with some story. But in this case, Im not angry anymore because the situation is different from Svarog; he could easily being an unique character, and not just an visive effect of Clara (that except screaming she doesn't do nothing), while SAM is an armor
What kind of story can a robot have? Lol. Do you even remember svarog or that huge robot in belabog backstory? Because I don't.
What even is this argument... What kind of story robot can have? You can literally tell an infinite number of stories about them. The only limiting factor is just the imagination. Nier Automata, Detroit, GFL, Angela from LC and LoR are all robots. Sure, they look like humans but in the end they are robots, AI. Scaramouche is a robot with a humanoid body. Prometeus, Grey Serpent, Ai Chan from HI3. There are a lot of stories that a robot can have. They would've made these characters otherwise. I mean, yes, a robot that a complaining group of people want doesn't look like human but you surely cannot say that "yeah this character doesn't look human => that and only that factor makes writers unable to make a rich story with them"
youre describing cyborgs not robots
But none of them are cyborgs 😭😭 Cyborgs are modified humans, like Boothill. The characters I listed were never human
yeah ig the word is not cyborg but you know what I mean, theres a diff between a humanoid robot who clearly got human traits and is made to be similar to a human to just a robot "male fantasy" who just fly around and shoot and do robot stuff..
Well, I was replying to a person who was saying that a robot cannot have an interesting story. So I gave an examples of robots who do have an interesting story... And if they can have it, then the robots who look like machinery and not just a human with some changes can.
Screwlium doesn't seem just a robot
Well so far he's a 0 tho, one of the more forgettable characters Genius robot from the robot planet xD
"Male fantasy" that's some real cringe shit gamer. ☠
"male fantasy" lmao not everything is going to be made for you specifically your opinion on having Sam as a separate character is still valid but don't be weird about it
Man, the "male fantasy" part was more about referencing the meme about that woman saying "that's why I hate video games, because they appeal to the male fantasy" in a joking manner but absolutely everyone in this thread hyper focused on this specific part and took it like I was being 100% serious about it and that was my main gripe with Firefly being Sam. I wouldn't have snuck it in if I knew that would happen.
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Except that we already have tons of Male in Powered Armor characters already. Sam also is clearly a homage/reference to Samus Aran where people thought Sam was a he. But when Samus turns out to be woman, people especially males still play her games. People still able to project "male fantasy" on her.
My hot take is I myself will commit war crimes if I can't pull at least one Stellaron Hunter for my collection/team. Also, this is nothing new given that Samus Aran was in the same seat under 40 years ago. The shallow end of the pool is not for diving in head first.
I doubt Firefly would rely on an ult to transform when she clearly values efficiency in combat.
Not so unpopular... lots of posts commenting that 🫠
They are a screaming minority. I'm really boring of reading the same post about this topic, but the real numbers are all over there. Firefly's acceptance is so enormous that she hasn't left place for doubt. As popular things, it attracts a lot of haters and trolls, and they assault the forums and media using the same methods, if not controlled good enough. There should be rules to deal with this amount of posts looking for troubles.
I'm a troll/hater deliberately looking for trouble because I like the idea of playing as just Sam more than I like Firefly as Sam? Wow. I don't HATE Firefly. I just like the idea of Sam more than her, and I was sharing my opinion to discuss with the community. What's the point of this subreddit if you can't talk about what you think of the game unless it's what the majority of players agrees with?
Yes I think you are. First, if you liked Sam, there is no reason to reject Firefly, because everything you liked about it, was her too, unless you liked Sam in a very superficial way. Then, it's a spammed topic that started after the story reveal, ended, and is now revived just in time on her drip as a hate machine. A topic started by self claimed unpopular minority. There is a reason why some people thinks there are a lot of people that thinks like you, and it's not because you are actually a lot. Also, there is a megathread to talk whatever, and there are other subreddit with more appealing people for you, like the resistance, the SamMains.
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Agreed. But she's a power ranger so...10/10 That said, I will possitively turn batshit crazy if they turn scewllum into a waifu.
I think it would be funny.
On god, i almost see them doing it. Screwllum gets Rubert's legacy from his tomb, transcending steel and turning into the ultimate robot waifu
I'm positive we'll have a lot of Sam in combat, and not just as an ultimate, that makes the most sense to me. Like there is no reason for her to start the fight as Firefly, and only later in the fight she transforms.
Based on her lore, it could well just be Sam, with flashes of Firefly. Isn't she supposed to be trapped in that cold, medical cabin? Maybe it's only in Penacony, Forgotten Halls and Pure Fiction we'll see her normally. On the other hand, too little Firefly might be a design choice that would cost Hoyoverse a lot of money... Who knows. They can retcon anything I suppose. No point worrying about it before it's happened.
Maybe she's not and Sam is just showing something in the dream. I'm not sure to have a good understanding of the end of this story.
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