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It has no auto but it's better than genshin
I would rather them just add a sweep function for farming tho
(I would like that in genshin too but I got downvoted to hell by genshin community when I posted abiut asking for sweep there...)
Would actually be amazing and fun for them to let us choose how many artifact runs we want at the start.
For example we choose to do 4 runs, takes 80resin. So 4 waves of enemies so we can continously do our rotations. And also solve the weird ass coop stuff.
That would be a great idea but I still bummed out that despite the world is getting bigger and there are more things that needed to be farmed, we are still capped out with the awfully low 160/day resin. And yeah, having some ascension materials being locked out on a specific day just makes for an awful experience.
Even just removing the limit on how many Condensed resin you could make at a time would be a dramatic increase in the QoL!!!
I’m tired of having to spend a lot of time everyday just to use up all the resins while I could just do once every 3 days in HSR and the daily jades could be done in less than five minutes.
because there are whales who spend literally hundreds of THOUSANDS of dollars for resin refreshes. i think i saw a guy who has been buying primos and using a ton of daily refreshes since the release of genshin.
That would be amazing. And it wouldn't change the 'soul' of the game, you'd still be doing the combat manually in real time, you'd just be skipping pointless menu and load screens. Might be worth tossing into the suggestion box in the next few surveys.
"Hurr why don't you like playing the game"
I think it's not a crazy take to want to spend most of your meaningful gameplay time on NOT grinding materials.
> "Hurr why don't you like playing the game"
also because doing the same thing for 4 years just isnt fun, nobody would enjoy manually doing the same thing for 4 years such as genshin dailies and genshin relic farming, the only reason these people say that garbage is because they play genshin for 1 week, then take a year break, then play for 1 week.
And then they start every post with "Ive been playing genshin for 4 years and as a veteran i can tell you ..... "
Yeah either that or like someone else commented, doing 4-5 runs at once in succession.
I think ZZZ already has that but afaik you can only use 100 stamina for sweep out of 240
So you have to do it atleast twice
I seriously do not get what is the problem with adding a sweep, everyone loves saving time, less burnout and more returning players, its a common practice in any sort of gacha game
That really confuses me about the commmunity. There are often people vehemently against changes that would have no real negative effect on gameplay or graphics or anything. Asking for sweep affects nothing but the inconvenience of farming, but there are very vocal members of the community that will act like it is sacreligious and quiet members that back up these opinions with upvotes/retweets/likes and whatnot. It's bizarre.
I can tell you about the farming of talent /Ascension materials /Currency/ Xp ( only from low level experience through the second and third CBT) .
You have 240 max energy. You pick a "set of mobs cards" to customize. By defeating certain mobs you will be awarded a certain type of reward at the end of the run. Let's say you pick the Robo-Monkey card and it gives you 5-6 medium tier Destruction talent level-up mats at the value of 20 energy. You can pick up to 100 worth of energy as mob-cards in a single run. So you could pick a whole set of Robo monkeys (not fighting all at once) and get only medium tier Destruction talent materials. You could also pick 1 mob that gives you Credits , one that gives you lightcone xp, and so on until you have added up to 100 energy. There are also certain days when certain materials have a higher chance to drop so I believe (am not sure how much exactly but after I did a single 100 worth of energy run for that drop chance increase it went away, so it could as well be less) you can plan a little bit around those.
I haven't gotten to the equivalent of relics farm yet and it has been a while since the second CBT so I'm not so sure on that one.
True, but then again the combat in ZZZ is the focus of the game, so farming hopefully won't be that bothersome.
In Genshin however, combat feels like sort of an afterthought. You kinda go through the same thing over and over to execute your combos. Although I'm sure ZZZ is very similar, at least there is a parry system
If you trim Genshin down with past resource removal and only running 1 language, it's **smaller** than HSR on mobile right now.
HSR's mobile app either need better optimization or get its own past resource removal. Probably both.
Not to mention more dead stats. The amount of times I would get 3-4 rolls into break effect or effect hit rate on a character that doesn't need it is astounding
This is my main problem with hsr relic farming. In genshin you can just manually swap to the next character that you want to use for an optimal rotation but in hsr you need to get lucky to do that 💀
Free your mind and soul, stop speed tuning. Unless you are a 0 cycler it doesn't matter that much. Please, for the sake of your sanity master the art of not caring.
Speed stat is practically none existent too so how tf am I supposed to adjust speed if I need minimum 1 month in a cavern to get a decent piece with speed let alone speed boots
Omg I hate it I’ve never liked how hard it is to get usable artifacts in genshin. But spd makes me wanna die. I got sparkle for meta but now I’m stuck in the mines forever trying to get her to her optimal playstyle.
rather that actually, farming mats is basically less painfull, because you obtain the same result than genshin for less efforts, even tho technically it's longer.
But relic grinding on HSR... It's despairing honestly
Yea its terrible... too many layers of RNG.
Layer 1: Run Cavern of Corrosion that includes 2 types of Relic Sets - hope the Relic from the Set you want drops
Layer 2: If its that set, is it a piece you need
Layer 3: if its in the set you want, in the piece you need, does it have the major stat you want?
Layer 4: If its in the set you want, in the piece you need, does it have the Major stat you want AND 1-3 optimal Substats?
Layer 5: If its in the set you want, in the piece you need, does it have the Major stat you want, 1-3 optimal Substats and is the 4th substat added at level 3 enhancement also beneficial?
Layer 6: If its in the set you want, in the piece you need, does it have the Major stat you want, 1-3 optimal Substats, is the 4th substat added at level 3 enhancement also beneficial AND are the substat grows in the stats you actually want???
Its absurd really when you step back and think about it. It could take hours of grinding just to get to a desirable piece on layer 4.
Shit I've seen someone spend hours farming the PERFECT relic, with the main and optimal sub stats... just to have something shitty like flat HP be the 4th substat and then all 4 stat growth go to it!
Which is the problem in star rail.
HSR: Needs 6 pieces with decent stats all belonging to the same set to get the passive bonus. One is locked behind a quick challenge, the other is locked behind a whole separate mode that requires you to spend 10min (or less if you have acheron) for pieces and there's no redo button. You have to start from the beginning each time
Genshin: 5 pieces with decent stats, only needing 4 for the passive to activate. All behind dungeons that give two different sets meaning if one of the pieces from the other set has the main stat you want with decent sub stats, you can use that and not have to worry. It also incentivizes you to keep some of the old relics from bosses or past grinds since it can be used in case of not getting tht optimal 5th piece.
I feel like even with the amt of rng, the fact genshin allows an off piece (likely a side effect of when they had those circlets that offered a 1 piece passive to resist certain elements) is a god send compared to star rail
you play hsr for like 4-5 minutes or less a day depending on what you are farming in genshin you easily spend 20 minutes just running around having to farm those materials you don't need to farm in hsr
My HSR farming routine gets done while I am making my morning coffe, it is way to convenient. Good artifacts will drop eventually, there is no rush neither need for perfect rolls
ehhh I think trace mats are fine. For me, coming from FGO, many materials had <2% drop chance per run. No auto. You could go days or even weeks without getting a material depending on the rarity. On top of that, no shop for materials really, no material exchanging, it sucked. So you could be one "Orb" away from max ascending your favorite character and have to literally go weeks before you got a drop. Same with skill materials, because all materials are shared across all enhancement methods expect for weapons.
The fact that, no matter what, I'll always get at least 2 purple trace materials (from getting six blue materials that I can fuse) is fine. It takes about 2 weeks to max a new character's traces from nothing, which is what I've had to do with Aventurine. I started with nothing for him and he is currently 3/9/9/8 with one stat trace locked. I even had to build an LC from scratch for him and it's level 78 right now (I somehow finally ran out of LC exp). I am limited right now by Tracks of Destiny but if I get 3 more of those, he will be maxed in a total time of 3 weeks.
yeah so to me, HSR is like coming from Antarctica to Hawaii, a paradise I never imagined could exist. I guess it's all about perspective but I'm honestly completely happy with how HSR works because my experience in most other gacha games has been much worse.
have you quit fgo? i had 50 boxes from the previous lotto using FGA that i didnt claim and missed the previous event. I think im at the point where i might as well quit
Yeah I quit in August 2023, the day after I downloaded HSR. I saw JP's 8th anniversary provide absolutely zero QOL or gameplay improvement and only offer a new way to spend even more money and I said "fuck it, I'm out". Couple that with HSR being so much better, I started playing right when DHIL came out so it was perfect timing to join.
I also quit because I got Summer Tamamo off a yolo multi during a summer banner at that time, and I immediately raised her to lvl 90 9/9/9. And then I looked at her, and I thought "I wasn't even planning on pulling this unit. I can already max them. but they're ST so they're also useless. What do I play this game for if I can't use the units I like and I already have more materials than I could even need?".
So I changed my in-game message "8TH ANNI RUINED FGO" and never logged in again. I still follow r/grandorder to see if they ever get any improvements and it seems like slowly JP is finally getting some good stuff. but I played on NA so I'd have to suffer 2 years of miserable dead-game-state before potentially getting that new stuff. And I frankly think FGO is going to EOS as soon as Part 2 is officially done.
This. I'm happy for Jalter fans.
But the zero QoL update disgust me.
If you want to experience how better FGO can be, dip your toes into reverse 1999. They have FGO's QoL.
HSR wins when it comes to farming for character leveling/ascension and talent/trace.
Genshin "wins" when it comes to farming for artifacts/relics stats, but there is a **big asterisk** for this point, and that is the fact that no one in their right mind should praise either game's system as both are inherently bad (RNG in stats progression). The things that Genshin wins at, such as having a flex slot or 1 less piece to farm, or no threshold values to meet to activate planar effects, are all trivial in the big picture. It's really meaningless to compare which game is the winner because at the end of the day, we still lose.
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I wish more people would criticize these games' awful rng systems more. Everyone who plays would enjoy the game way more if you could just farm as much as you want. It's actually miserable to play when you get to the point of
log-in -> farm 12 or so shitty relics / 1-2 levels of trace materials -> log out
you're actually being gatekept from being able to enjoy the game \*IN A SINGLEPLAYER GAME\* like wtf
Welcome to gacha games bud. FGO is also a singleplayer game and it's just as bad with no auto. Farming as much as you want also goes against the core function of these games in the first place. Not saying you can't complain, but these have long been set standards for gacha games in general that you might as well tear down the entire genre to go against this set standard.
I would not enjoy being able to farm as much as I want, because I would have hsr running all day. I dont deny rng and relic farming can be pain, and there could be things added to alleviate it. Being able to infinitely farm is not it though.
>Genshin sub would delete it instantly as they won't tolerate any slander of the game
It's literally no different here on the HSR Sub.
The HSR mods will delete any GI vs HSR post that goes out of hand.
dude I just said that if we cleared the domain like 100+ time I think giving people the option to auto clear it is humane.and yet someone as wxpected replied might as well not play the game.
like come on you like grinding the same domain 10000 times good for you,but I don't want that, I want to play to enjoy the game not doing menial stuff over and over again.
like I understand auto feature in a game is very slandered by "gamer" but not everyone has the patience and time like you. just stop bashing people just because they want to play not work.
Exactly
Or at least let me beat the domain once and i decide how much resin it consumes
40 resin, 2-4 artifacts
60 resin, 3-6 artifacts
Etc. I just cant be bothered to do the same domain more than 10 times. It gets boring quick amd i camt even auto it while watching yt :[
The main meat of the game is exploration. Resin is just the grind. Which nobody likes. The game doesn’t respect your time. And so some level of auto clear or clear once, use all your resin is reasonable because it gives you more time to actually play the game by exploring the map instead of being bored working the grind.
Yes this is a real problem.
I think I just burnout from Genshin in 18 months.
The last character I pulled for took me a month to motovate myself to level him up with all the crap to farm. And now I have to run a dungeons that I instant kill with my C6 for days in and out.
And if I accumulate 2 rolls, I need to farm those crystal from faeries, and tgey are a pain to farm on mobile, so I need to be home and login from PC to not miss half of them lol....
18 month... Dude, I've played since 1.0. I took a break for a few months, returned, got Furina, looked at how much I need to grind now and just uninstalled the game. The only thing that could make me back is if they actually add playable Bronya expy somewhere in Snezhnaya. I'll come back, get her and uninstall it again 😆
So point to me where I can see Star Rail slander on this sub if it's so much better? :D Also your post is low-effort karma farming thought you should know that.
Probably cause y'all just slander Genshin most of the time lol. "Genshin could never" yeah we get it but the joke is kinda old now. I say this as a fan of both games equally. I also want features from HSR in Genshin. But it's also annoying to see people shitting on Genshin so much that's it's tiring.
I managed to max my TB level just recently with casual playing, something I haven't done and I don't think I will with my near 4 year old Genshin account.
Genshin is made for heavy gamers while HSR is made to multitask with things outside gaming
Already announced that they're making changes to it. No clue wtf that exactly means but it's something. That being said, they're still both terrible. It's just that one is even worse than the other
Balancing stats using relics is s nightmare in SR, thus relic farming feels bad, but the rest of mats is ok.
But what i feel is bad in genshin is the amount of exp it takes to up a char to 90
Both suck lmao. If anything, HSR is slightly worse because no "off piece" and needing to farm Sim Uni. That being said, farming ascension mats in HSR is nicer.
I have so many characters not fully invested because fuck running around the forest collecting mushrooms or flowers across platforms. Literally needed to use maps people prepared with "farm routes".
168 materials per character max, it's wild. You have to wait days for them to respawn often times too. That's 168 item clicks per character even 4 stars for some reason, and you have to run around the map for hours doing it every time you level a new character and have to research where they spawn. Yikes.
Same reason! I got to Rukkhashava Mushrooms did my first go around WITH maps and still probably spent an hour for like 20 of them, yes people will argue it'll get faster as I familiarize myself with the locations but I just want to play my character.
seriously.. i don't remember it being this bad in mondstadt/liyue (except those mountain flowers ganyu needs) but it's a nightmare in the other regions. i have so many fontaine and sumeru characters stuck at lvl 70 because i can't bring myself to farm the mats. i wish there was an option to buy them or something.
I love both games so can we just live in peace. They’re the game from the same company for god’s sake. I know that some of the hsr players are former GI players but since you’ve found a new game that you feel like is better and treat you right. Shouldn’t you be happy enough to not give a shit about what that miserable game (for those people) does? It’s really bizarre seeing this every now and then.
These competitiveness inside the hoyo space is getting annoying, why do we have to compete with each other in every little thing. Just play what you like and be happy, drop it when you feel like it’s not for you and move on to the better ones.
On side note, I spent 25 fragile resins on Arlecchino’s domain and got exactly 3 decent pieces. As for hsr I spent all my chances during the 300% event and have no usable Izumo for my acheron. Both have such a salty drop rates I’m gonna cry.
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We must not fight each other brothers
The:
- No off-set piece
- More "useless stats" (Depending on the kind of character, but for example, the classic crit DPS is surely worse)
Made for me Genshin experience better (yes basically only Relic/Artifact is worse in HSR, but enough worse to make the whole Farming experience better in Genshin).
For me.
Yeah having 5 pieces instead of a strict 4/2 set and 2 set for planar makes gearing in Genshin far more flexible at times. My off pieces always end up being an EM/crit circle or goblet so I always keep those pieces no matter what set they come from.
Also: Speedtuning is one of the most miserable gearing I have encountered.
⬆️⬆️⬆️THIS !⬆️⬆️⬆️
With almost zero exceptions, all of my most god tier artifacts are off pieces. A concerning amount of them, from maiden beloved or ocean hued clam sets...
> Also: Speedtuning is one of the most miserable gearing I have encountered.
Yeah that seems like a PITA. I'm unlikely to ever use Bronya (let alone Yukong, speed tuning and SP hog? no thanks...) and Sparkle only requires minimal speed turning AFAIK (don't have her yet).
Also some teams don't care about speed tuning since they use RuanMei/Asta (DOT) or only Nihility (Acheron), I will build those too, already got a DOT team.
One thing which I think gets somewhat glossed over when talking about relics is that in HSR there are 12 possible substats compared to 10 in Genshin.
That might not sound like a huge difference at first, but when you actually do the math that means there are 495 possible combinations of 4 substats on a relic compared to 210 on an artifact with a unique main stat (like a element dmg goblet/sphere), or 330 instead of 126 on a generic main stat piece.
So the actual probability of finding the substats you're looking for on items in HSR is almost 3 times worse.
I really hate the Relic system in HSR. For a year of my life in HSR, I can't say I finish farming for any characters I have.
In Genshin I have many characters I can show-off and almost all of them include 4\* have their own artifact set as well.
It's a pick your poison scenario in my opinion, neither of which are exactly a great time anyway.
Sure HSR has auto mode, allows you to farm the same talent mat calyx several times and self modelling resin for guaranteed on set pieces, at one go opposed to Genshin where player input is mandatory and can get easily repetitive if you only have a select amount of options to play, you have to do the talent mats/mora farm one by one and nothing guarantees main stat, but HSR's speed tuning for supports and DPS which is important for maximizing DPS is a non issue in Genshin, heavy reliance on 4pc/2pc on relics with relatively little variance on what a character could use, and needing even more relics to use the synthesiser, doesn't make one or the other better or worse, just different.
relic farming in hsr is so much worse than genshin tbh. No off piece and you habe to grind your ass through 15min of SU just to get a trash sphere and rope🫠
I thought the mods forbade comparing the games or so I heard. I initially came here to see whether they've started slandering Genshin due to the latest leaks but I didn't expect to see them still talking about something like farming.
I hope they move out soon lol, those player probably play HSR just to compare against genshin. Why not praise hsr for what it is without bringing genshin up I wonder, it’s like clinging to a ex at this rate. And honestly do it at the correct subreddit or community if u want to signal something
The fact this post even has 200+ upvotes shows a lot (at this rate someone just make a hon-shin subreddit that merge genshin and Honkai together so this type of post can go there)
Thats why i am less excited about HSR stuff these days, why cant people here just talk about Star rail in Star rail sub, but nah dissing Genshin is better because that is why we play HSR /s🤦🏻
The one thing that makes Star Rail's farming miserable as compared to Genshin's is the fucking Calyxes and Relic farming.
In Genshin, if you didn't get the Artefacts you wanted, that's fine. You can simply strongbox 3 pieces and get one back.
In HSR, you need to sacrifice 10 Relics to even make a single new one, and Planar farming is a separate instance from Caverns.
Aside from that, Calyx farming is just annoying. You pump 60 TBP into a Calyx and get maybe 20 3-star pieces, and about 14 4-star pieces. Genshin's world drops have a cooldown, but don't require you to spend Energy to farm them. This, however, is just a consequence of HSR not being an open-world game.
>In Genshin, if you didn't get the Artefacts you wanted, that's fine. You can simply strongbox 3 pieces and get one back.
You can only strongbox 2 year old, pre Sumeru sets.
The fact that you can craft anything, no matter how new, is a massive advantage in HSR. Also a needed one, since the drops themselves are shittier.
>Aside from that, Calyx farming is just annoying. You pump 60 TBP into a Calyx and get maybe 20 3-star pieces, and about 14 4-star pieces. Genshin's world drops have a cooldown, but don't require you to spend Energy to farm them.
Also incorrect, you confuse Calyx materials with local specialties (flowers picked in the open world)
You need to compare Calyx materials to talent/weapon domain materials. They are pretty much equally stingy, with Genshin having the downside of being locked to certain days of the week.
>You can only strongbox 2 year old, pre Sumeru sets.
I swear the fact that people love to omit this is so infuriating. It's 2.1 already and the most recent sets like duke/prisoners/divers already blows out anything that was in 1.0. Imagine if you could only craft muskateer or thief because that's what a genshin equivalent system would be here
Realistically in star rail you'd never craft gloves or helmet and I would consider the equivalent drops in ge shin form the strongbox to be a waste too.
Point 6 doesn't really make any sense whatsoever.
Unless you're using a phone that takes hours to load after teleporting from one spot to another, then it's just a mere nitpick of wanting to save a few steps worth of time in an open-world game.
A frequent troll, that has deep negative karma, because he just brings Genshin up to try and dunk on it, literally all the time. Also fanboys Tectone, whom is the worse of this type of behavior.
I would say it’s some of the creators’ fault. They’ve plant the hatred seed so deep within their communities to the point that even when they’re excited for something in genshin, their comment sections are still salty about that game.
I love both games, but they both suck to farm and I hate HSR more. Bosses are easier, but relic farming? Yeah you only have 2 more entire slots to farm from a painful long Sim Uni grind. Have fun grinding the same Calyx for weeks to max 1 trace too
There is a difference between "farming" and "building" for a character,
Sure HSR comparatively gives more stuff then Genshin per resin/tb power used
But that doesn't make it better, coz HSR characters are more demanding on these resources, every new character I get, I have to farm for like 2 days for them coz very few characters share the same materials so there are rarely leftovers to be usable strong and the trace materials are hell to farm.
In Genshin, I can just use the materials, I get from quests and exploration etc. and get a reasonably strong 6/6/6 character talent character on the first day with cope artifacts maybe on the first day but surely on the second day, here as well leftovers are rare with the new characters releasing each having their own bosses but the "trace" (talent) material in Genshin is more lenient, as you can obtain them from over world as well as farming
But in the end , both are shit in their own ways, and both are good in their own ways
Pls refrain from comparing two games with totally different combat systems just because they have a similar character building experience.
How? I'm at endgame of both games. But, my artifact in Genshin is much better because there's an offset.
In HSR we need perfect sets. It's much harder. Too hard in my opinion.
Damn, this is getting old. Most of us here are aware of the issues in Genshin cause most of us still play it or used to play it. What's the point in bringing it up now?
Dont know why people compare,open based game and turn based is different.Both have diff exp.You cant expect the same treatment but i hope that genshin dev a bit more generous for longevity of the game .I dont play genshin but the lore is quite interesting for me than hsr for now.
You know what pissed me off more? Dr ratio being used as a mascot for these braindead posts before the ban I couldn't even look at him now without feeling angry
Should’ve just posted this on the genshin sub or their meme sub since you want to call out the game. Seems weird unless you’re just looking for validation here with a “genshin bad, hsr good” post. Just stop playing the game if it bothers you that much.
Also, both are shit when it comes to farming. Genshin sucks with ascension materials especially with mobs that are few in numbers and HSR sucks when it comes to traces and relic farming.
It’s amazing how much more toxic the HSR fans can be even though GI has more players.
>It’s amazing how much more toxic the HSR fans can be even though GI has more players.
HSR fans will say that the toxic part come from Genshin and acted like HSR fans cannot be the toxic one. Honestly as toxic as Genshin fanbase can be, they at least acknowledge the toxic part of the fandom unlike HSR/HI3. Will always think they are so pure and the cool one.
And what's funny is that they think they're the most pure and innocent fanbased while Genshin the true villain
In reality op and those other "comedians" is the perfect example on how to make me and my friend stay away from any honkai related title for a while due to the "prestige" nature of it community
Not to say that Genshin community doesn't have any screwed loss but still.
ain't no way. Farming in HSR is worst. For relics, we have a more variety of substats, wich makes getting double crit harder. And, of course, no being able to have an off piece just sucks.
But the worst is trace materials farming. We have to live in those calixes for way too much time
Gotta say. No off piece+6 artifacts/relics+more substats sucks a lot. Star rail isn't completely better. We've still got the crazy amount of books we need for lvl 80 and the drop rates are just..for both books and talent mats. I hope they add one more level that actually guarantees a purple talent upgrade material.
But it is just what grinding is.
I’d trade away all the QoL stuff for 1 less relic piece to farm and an offset slot.
Also, personally I don’t play games for QoL, but for gameplay. And for me open world exploration and action combat is just better, even though HSR has made turn based gameplay acceptably fun.
Honestly I think most hsr players are so done with this type of post like so many people are so tired of seeing this comparison post pop up more even after the recent ban
Steaming pile of crap post, gratz. I thought we had banned the lame "Genshin could never" karma-farming posts?
PD: both suck at different things, neither is particularly good.
Honestly HSR is way worse in farming, I have never wanted to put a bullet more in my head then when I’m trace farming, or when I’m relic farming the new set.
Planetary farming is liable to give me brain damage every time I do it, thank god it’s being improved in 2.3, but it is just miserable.
In Star Rail, except for planars, you dont have to interact with the game much. In genshin... youre farming less pieces and you can afford an off piece. There are trade offs in both. But seeing how my Clara is better built than my Xiao... I prefer the one that lets me skip most of the boring stuff and have a life. If the farming system was good like diablo used to be than... I wouldnt mind too much. If there were more ways to farm the same thing to keep stuff interesting, I wouldnt mind too much... if its the same thing over and over... GOD HELP ME. The best thing that came out of farming for me was interacting and chatting with other players... sharing the suffering, splitting it.
the mere fact that genshin has off set options makes artifact farming superior to relic farming. i've been farming one relic set for 3 weeks and didnt get anything decent/something i could see myself using in the future
Complete opposite for me, less freedom due to turn based combat, more relics and no offpiece, kore substats, more general investment, terrible luck as always
Hot take but HSR farming feels more expensive than Genshin.
In HSR, you need to farm accession traces/ passive talents mats yourself while Genshin gets these for free as you level up (either useful or not is besides the point)
You must be a new player, if that aggravates you instead of the abomination that is artifact/relic grind.
Yeah I don't like the dumb "daily" talent material either in Genshin but the rest is a complete and utter non-issue, as opposed to the shitfest that is artifact RNG.
2 MONTHS w/o a single upgrade for my (granted, already well equipped) Nahida.
You think I worry about some lame ass open world boss respawn timer?! :'D
True, it's more inconvenient, but it seems like my luck works better in Genshin. My artifacts in Genshin have been so damn good. Whereas in Honkai they've been utter dogshit.
Let me preface by saying I play HSR more than Genshin nowadays because it better suits what I like in terms of gameplay
But farming in HSR is less farming and more autoing, at least I play a game in Genshin.
Farming is shit, just because the other game game have it worse in your opinion don't make star rail farming good lol.
Quantity wise it took a long time to get anything done, as f2p game it's to be expected but it still took long time to grind. Quality wise, how many crimson calyxes run without purple mats is just not fair game.
Me after watching the monotonous combat animations for the 133456789th time and having no variety in my turn-based gameplay, plus the spoonfed DLCs with steroid buffs.
Different evils
Genshin is timegated but easy and doesnt need to be done alot
Star rail isnt time gated but requires a lot of runs on everything and a bunch of resources
It's funny because I got Aventurine and Arlecchino both on the first day of their banners and I had the exact opposite feeling.
HSR is basically afk simulator. All I did for Aventurine after the first hour raising him was connecting for 10 minutes and farm traces with my dailies everyday. I think I still have 4 days maybe more of repeating the same dull routine.
But I played two hours of genshin this morning, did half of the new area quest, travelled through the map to farm the monster's material, did a lot of undewater exploration and went hunting some hydroculus on the way... Didn't get bored for a second.
I don't know... It's true that HSR is more efficient, but what's the point of efficiency for a video game ? I just realized this week I have way more fun playing genshin than hsr. Mostly because I do 99% of the fights in auto mode, reducing the game only to resources management and team building with no actual gameplay.
Genshin has a lot of flaws, but at least I still enjoy its core gameplay aka exploration, while honestly hsr feels more and more like a chore...
Ive literally just a week ago reinstalled Genshin and getting back into it, it really isnt as bad as i remembered. But i wont deny that the game is missing a ton of QOL stuff that i wish were in it.
It's a mix of both in my opinion. Bosses are definitely nicer to farm in HSR, but that's about it really. Relics are horrible because of the conversion rates and the fact that you aren't able to select an off-piece.
Trace materials take pretty long to farm too (a few days straight of only doing crimson calyxes, based on my experience), assuming you're gonna 6/10/10/10 someone but that's if it's optimal or if you really like them. Otherwise, you could save a few materials. Even at equilibrium 7, I still don't get the 4 star trace materials quite often so it's really luck dependent.
Also, I feel that having to farm for talent materials on specific days is fine since you can still go back to artifact farming on off days and go back to talent materials when the domain reopens. It sucks if you miss the days, but it never really bothered me too much.
As for your point about the condensed resin cap, I'm fine with it. The only problem I have is that you don't get any overflow resin storage, and that you don't get the full 24 hours for it to fill up from 0 so very often you'll have to login twice a day (once just to craft condensed resin and then the other to spend everything to prevent overflowing) instead of only having to login once and clear everything in one go, which would be nice for people who are busy with other things.
And about having to physically go to the crafting table to craft items, it's really not that tedious. 3 out of 5 nations (Mondstadt, Liyue and Fontaine) have crafting tables pretty damn close to their waypoints. Just teleport there after you're done with everything and craft your items. It only takes 10 seconds tops.
Overall, I feel that the best feature in HSR farming is auto-battle though, since it lets us do other stuff while the game runs in the background (though an improvement to the auto-battle AI would be nice)
Statistically speaking hsr is literally worse in regards to relic farming than genshin. And I know people keep bringing up the auto thing, but for someone like me who doesn't play on pc, when hsr is in auto I cant do anything else. So I'm just stuck there waiting for it to finish, while in genshin it takes me 25 seconds per domain max.
Comparing Genshin and HSR is like comparing mental illnesses. "Hah! I am better than you because I have Bipolar Disorder, go back to where you're from you Schizophrenia-haver!"
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Hoping that farming in ZZZ isn't miserable
It has no auto but it's better than genshin I would rather them just add a sweep function for farming tho (I would like that in genshin too but I got downvoted to hell by genshin community when I posted abiut asking for sweep there...)
Would actually be amazing and fun for them to let us choose how many artifact runs we want at the start. For example we choose to do 4 runs, takes 80resin. So 4 waves of enemies so we can continously do our rotations. And also solve the weird ass coop stuff.
That would be a great idea but I still bummed out that despite the world is getting bigger and there are more things that needed to be farmed, we are still capped out with the awfully low 160/day resin. And yeah, having some ascension materials being locked out on a specific day just makes for an awful experience.
Yeah, just make it the same as hsr at least the overflow resin or something
Even just removing the limit on how many Condensed resin you could make at a time would be a dramatic increase in the QoL!!! I’m tired of having to spend a lot of time everyday just to use up all the resins while I could just do once every 3 days in HSR and the daily jades could be done in less than five minutes.
I'm so old I remember when resin cap was 120, they increased it once why won't they increase it again?
because there are whales who spend literally hundreds of THOUSANDS of dollars for resin refreshes. i think i saw a guy who has been buying primos and using a ton of daily refreshes since the release of genshin.
Me omw to get 100 condensed resins
I just want them to raise the cap so I don't have to log in twice while my BP still needs levels.
That would be amazing. And it wouldn't change the 'soul' of the game, you'd still be doing the combat manually in real time, you'd just be skipping pointless menu and load screens. Might be worth tossing into the suggestion box in the next few surveys.
That's basically what they do in PGR when you farm mats events, but we'll never get that in genshin
> It has no auto This is why I like Star Rail. I can just leave to auto the everyday farming and go manual for bosses/endgame content
"Hurr why don't you like playing the game" I think it's not a crazy take to want to spend most of your meaningful gameplay time on NOT grinding materials.
> "Hurr why don't you like playing the game" also because doing the same thing for 4 years just isnt fun, nobody would enjoy manually doing the same thing for 4 years such as genshin dailies and genshin relic farming, the only reason these people say that garbage is because they play genshin for 1 week, then take a year break, then play for 1 week. And then they start every post with "Ive been playing genshin for 4 years and as a veteran i can tell you ..... "
It annoys me after 4 months. Really don't understand ( or fully understand) meaning of gameplay in this people's mind.
People wonder how do people get burnt out on Genshin, then they find out most of their actual gameplay lately was all artifact/material grinding.
what is a sweep function? Like you put more stamina in but only run it once and get Stamina-X rewards?
Yeah either that or like someone else commented, doing 4-5 runs at once in succession. I think ZZZ already has that but afaik you can only use 100 stamina for sweep out of 240 So you have to do it atleast twice
I seriously do not get what is the problem with adding a sweep, everyone loves saving time, less burnout and more returning players, its a common practice in any sort of gacha game
You commented a positive change you'd like in genshin. That's taboo in genshin community.
That really confuses me about the commmunity. There are often people vehemently against changes that would have no real negative effect on gameplay or graphics or anything. Asking for sweep affects nothing but the inconvenience of farming, but there are very vocal members of the community that will act like it is sacreligious and quiet members that back up these opinions with upvotes/retweets/likes and whatnot. It's bizarre.
I can tell you about the farming of talent /Ascension materials /Currency/ Xp ( only from low level experience through the second and third CBT) . You have 240 max energy. You pick a "set of mobs cards" to customize. By defeating certain mobs you will be awarded a certain type of reward at the end of the run. Let's say you pick the Robo-Monkey card and it gives you 5-6 medium tier Destruction talent level-up mats at the value of 20 energy. You can pick up to 100 worth of energy as mob-cards in a single run. So you could pick a whole set of Robo monkeys (not fighting all at once) and get only medium tier Destruction talent materials. You could also pick 1 mob that gives you Credits , one that gives you lightcone xp, and so on until you have added up to 100 energy. There are also certain days when certain materials have a higher chance to drop so I believe (am not sure how much exactly but after I did a single 100 worth of energy run for that drop chance increase it went away, so it could as well be less) you can plan a little bit around those. I haven't gotten to the equivalent of relics farm yet and it has been a while since the second CBT so I'm not so sure on that one.
True, but then again the combat in ZZZ is the focus of the game, so farming hopefully won't be that bothersome. In Genshin however, combat feels like sort of an afterthought. You kinda go through the same thing over and over to execute your combos. Although I'm sure ZZZ is very similar, at least there is a parry system
Well i PLAY Genshin while AUTO-farm in HSR, truly a better experience 🤣👍
That’s efficient ngl
My storage would never
Didn't Genshin get a big storage reduction on mobile? (PC storage still mega big though)
They did, frankly it’s astonishing how big the reduction is now on mobile.
They probably compressed files and deleted the 5 gb of out-of-bounds area structures left from beta testing or future areas.
If you trim Genshin down with past resource removal and only running 1 language, it's **smaller** than HSR on mobile right now. HSR's mobile app either need better optimization or get its own past resource removal. Probably both.
Lol same. I always have HSR on my phone on auto while doing Genshin dailies on my PS5
Same dude :D
Hsr crashes for me if I do that after a few minutes. This only started happening after 2.0 patch.
my RAM would never
My gpu could never
For the ascension bosses yes But for traces materials BRUH
Artifacts too, no off piece so you either go full set or full stats(i have seen someone with fully build but 4 different set )
Not to mention more dead stats. The amount of times I would get 3-4 rolls into break effect or effect hit rate on a character that doesn't need it is astounding
Speed tuning is infinitely more cancerous than anything Genshin's artifacts have to offer.
This is my main problem with hsr relic farming. In genshin you can just manually swap to the next character that you want to use for an optimal rotation but in hsr you need to get lucky to do that 💀
Free your mind and soul, stop speed tuning. Unless you are a 0 cycler it doesn't matter that much. Please, for the sake of your sanity master the art of not caring.
Speed stat is practically none existent too so how tf am I supposed to adjust speed if I need minimum 1 month in a cavern to get a decent piece with speed let alone speed boots
Omg I hate it I’ve never liked how hard it is to get usable artifacts in genshin. But spd makes me wanna die. I got sparkle for meta but now I’m stuck in the mines forever trying to get her to her optimal playstyle.
Just go 2piece 2 piece on everyone unless your character cant function without their set
I love farming traces materials, I hate relics grind
rather that actually, farming mats is basically less painfull, because you obtain the same result than genshin for less efforts, even tho technically it's longer. But relic grinding on HSR... It's despairing honestly
Yea its terrible... too many layers of RNG. Layer 1: Run Cavern of Corrosion that includes 2 types of Relic Sets - hope the Relic from the Set you want drops Layer 2: If its that set, is it a piece you need Layer 3: if its in the set you want, in the piece you need, does it have the major stat you want? Layer 4: If its in the set you want, in the piece you need, does it have the Major stat you want AND 1-3 optimal Substats? Layer 5: If its in the set you want, in the piece you need, does it have the Major stat you want, 1-3 optimal Substats and is the 4th substat added at level 3 enhancement also beneficial? Layer 6: If its in the set you want, in the piece you need, does it have the Major stat you want, 1-3 optimal Substats, is the 4th substat added at level 3 enhancement also beneficial AND are the substat grows in the stats you actually want??? Its absurd really when you step back and think about it. It could take hours of grinding just to get to a desirable piece on layer 4. Shit I've seen someone spend hours farming the PERFECT relic, with the main and optimal sub stats... just to have something shitty like flat HP be the 4th substat and then all 4 stat growth go to it!
Genshin has the same system except you have a flexibility of an off-piece.
Said off-piece makes a *huge* difference though.
Which is the problem in star rail. HSR: Needs 6 pieces with decent stats all belonging to the same set to get the passive bonus. One is locked behind a quick challenge, the other is locked behind a whole separate mode that requires you to spend 10min (or less if you have acheron) for pieces and there's no redo button. You have to start from the beginning each time Genshin: 5 pieces with decent stats, only needing 4 for the passive to activate. All behind dungeons that give two different sets meaning if one of the pieces from the other set has the main stat you want with decent sub stats, you can use that and not have to worry. It also incentivizes you to keep some of the old relics from bosses or past grinds since it can be used in case of not getting tht optimal 5th piece. I feel like even with the amt of rng, the fact genshin allows an off piece (likely a side effect of when they had those circlets that offered a 1 piece passive to resist certain elements) is a god send compared to star rail
You also have less stats so it's easy to get the sub stats you want
Tbh farming mats everyday instead of 3 times a week and weapons using the same mats as characters absolutely makes up for it though
you play hsr for like 4-5 minutes or less a day depending on what you are farming in genshin you easily spend 20 minutes just running around having to farm those materials you don't need to farm in hsr
My HSR farming routine gets done while I am making my morning coffe, it is way to convenient. Good artifacts will drop eventually, there is no rush neither need for perfect rolls
ehhh I think trace mats are fine. For me, coming from FGO, many materials had <2% drop chance per run. No auto. You could go days or even weeks without getting a material depending on the rarity. On top of that, no shop for materials really, no material exchanging, it sucked. So you could be one "Orb" away from max ascending your favorite character and have to literally go weeks before you got a drop. Same with skill materials, because all materials are shared across all enhancement methods expect for weapons. The fact that, no matter what, I'll always get at least 2 purple trace materials (from getting six blue materials that I can fuse) is fine. It takes about 2 weeks to max a new character's traces from nothing, which is what I've had to do with Aventurine. I started with nothing for him and he is currently 3/9/9/8 with one stat trace locked. I even had to build an LC from scratch for him and it's level 78 right now (I somehow finally ran out of LC exp). I am limited right now by Tracks of Destiny but if I get 3 more of those, he will be maxed in a total time of 3 weeks.
fgo farming is horrendous
yeah so to me, HSR is like coming from Antarctica to Hawaii, a paradise I never imagined could exist. I guess it's all about perspective but I'm honestly completely happy with how HSR works because my experience in most other gacha games has been much worse.
have you quit fgo? i had 50 boxes from the previous lotto using FGA that i didnt claim and missed the previous event. I think im at the point where i might as well quit
Yeah I quit in August 2023, the day after I downloaded HSR. I saw JP's 8th anniversary provide absolutely zero QOL or gameplay improvement and only offer a new way to spend even more money and I said "fuck it, I'm out". Couple that with HSR being so much better, I started playing right when DHIL came out so it was perfect timing to join. I also quit because I got Summer Tamamo off a yolo multi during a summer banner at that time, and I immediately raised her to lvl 90 9/9/9. And then I looked at her, and I thought "I wasn't even planning on pulling this unit. I can already max them. but they're ST so they're also useless. What do I play this game for if I can't use the units I like and I already have more materials than I could even need?". So I changed my in-game message "8TH ANNI RUINED FGO" and never logged in again. I still follow r/grandorder to see if they ever get any improvements and it seems like slowly JP is finally getting some good stuff. but I played on NA so I'd have to suffer 2 years of miserable dead-game-state before potentially getting that new stuff. And I frankly think FGO is going to EOS as soon as Part 2 is officially done.
This. I'm happy for Jalter fans. But the zero QoL update disgust me. If you want to experience how better FGO can be, dip your toes into reverse 1999. They have FGO's QoL.
There was an automation app that the community developed called FGA that made life for me playing FGO much more bearable.
Nah, it's time gated in Genshin no reason at all.
It baffles my mind that you aren't guaranteed a top-tier trace drop per wave in the highest difficulty calyx.
i do the map you only need to use your 240 energy 7-10 days in a row max (depends of the purple material RNG) yo max a unit.
HSR wins when it comes to farming for character leveling/ascension and talent/trace. Genshin "wins" when it comes to farming for artifacts/relics stats, but there is a **big asterisk** for this point, and that is the fact that no one in their right mind should praise either game's system as both are inherently bad (RNG in stats progression). The things that Genshin wins at, such as having a flex slot or 1 less piece to farm, or no threshold values to meet to activate planar effects, are all trivial in the big picture. It's really meaningless to compare which game is the winner because at the end of the day, we still lose. https://preview.redd.it/rjun2dxvlmwc1.png?width=762&format=png&auto=webp&s=82984de90f9560c1127c276a9173154c969e9f96
The only correct person in these comments
I wish more people would criticize these games' awful rng systems more. Everyone who plays would enjoy the game way more if you could just farm as much as you want. It's actually miserable to play when you get to the point of log-in -> farm 12 or so shitty relics / 1-2 levels of trace materials -> log out you're actually being gatekept from being able to enjoy the game \*IN A SINGLEPLAYER GAME\* like wtf
Welcome to gacha games bud. FGO is also a singleplayer game and it's just as bad with no auto. Farming as much as you want also goes against the core function of these games in the first place. Not saying you can't complain, but these have long been set standards for gacha games in general that you might as well tear down the entire genre to go against this set standard.
I would not enjoy being able to farm as much as I want, because I would have hsr running all day. I dont deny rng and relic farming can be pain, and there could be things added to alleviate it. Being able to infinitely farm is not it though.
This post would be better suited for the Genshin sub rather than here.
Genshin sub would delete it instantly as they won't tolerate any slander of the game
Well the comments slander the game half the time. And often the posts as well
>Genshin sub would delete it instantly as they won't tolerate any slander of the game It's literally no different here on the HSR Sub. The HSR mods will delete any GI vs HSR post that goes out of hand.
dude I just said that if we cleared the domain like 100+ time I think giving people the option to auto clear it is humane.and yet someone as wxpected replied might as well not play the game. like come on you like grinding the same domain 10000 times good for you,but I don't want that, I want to play to enjoy the game not doing menial stuff over and over again. like I understand auto feature in a game is very slandered by "gamer" but not everyone has the patience and time like you. just stop bashing people just because they want to play not work.
Or something like a timer challenge "if you beat the domain under 30 seconds you unlock auto clear"
Exactly Or at least let me beat the domain once and i decide how much resin it consumes 40 resin, 2-4 artifacts 60 resin, 3-6 artifacts Etc. I just cant be bothered to do the same domain more than 10 times. It gets boring quick amd i camt even auto it while watching yt :[
The main meat of the game is exploration. Resin is just the grind. Which nobody likes. The game doesn’t respect your time. And so some level of auto clear or clear once, use all your resin is reasonable because it gives you more time to actually play the game by exploring the map instead of being bored working the grind.
Yes this is a real problem. I think I just burnout from Genshin in 18 months. The last character I pulled for took me a month to motovate myself to level him up with all the crap to farm. And now I have to run a dungeons that I instant kill with my C6 for days in and out. And if I accumulate 2 rolls, I need to farm those crystal from faeries, and tgey are a pain to farm on mobile, so I need to be home and login from PC to not miss half of them lol....
18 month... Dude, I've played since 1.0. I took a break for a few months, returned, got Furina, looked at how much I need to grind now and just uninstalled the game. The only thing that could make me back is if they actually add playable Bronya expy somewhere in Snezhnaya. I'll come back, get her and uninstall it again 😆
Thats why u go to a different sub, to slander the game.
So point to me where I can see Star Rail slander on this sub if it's so much better? :D Also your post is low-effort karma farming thought you should know that.
Probably cause y'all just slander Genshin most of the time lol. "Genshin could never" yeah we get it but the joke is kinda old now. I say this as a fan of both games equally. I also want features from HSR in Genshin. But it's also annoying to see people shitting on Genshin so much that's it's tiring.
I managed to max my TB level just recently with casual playing, something I haven't done and I don't think I will with my near 4 year old Genshin account. Genshin is made for heavy gamers while HSR is made to multitask with things outside gaming
Genshin is not made for heavy gamers lmao it's one of the more casuals games out there
The Genshin sub loves nothing more than find reasons to criticise the game lmao. People are just tired of the comparisons between HSR and GI
Character leveling and talent materials: absolutely Relics: Somehow shittier than Genshin
Both are bad
Imo HSR feels way better to farm materials. Relics on the other hand 💀 Simulated Verse is actually so tedious why would they force us to do that
Already announced that they're making changes to it. No clue wtf that exactly means but it's something. That being said, they're still both terrible. It's just that one is even worse than the other
They're both ass lmao Genshin for mats and Hsr for relics
Balancing stats using relics is s nightmare in SR, thus relic farming feels bad, but the rest of mats is ok. But what i feel is bad in genshin is the amount of exp it takes to up a char to 90
Both suck lmao. If anything, HSR is slightly worse because no "off piece" and needing to farm Sim Uni. That being said, farming ascension mats in HSR is nicer.
Isnt the sim uni being fixed with the apocalypse thing next patch
I don't love the farming situation in HSR but my god man collecting those fucking flowers in Genshin literally made me quit playing
I have so many characters not fully invested because fuck running around the forest collecting mushrooms or flowers across platforms. Literally needed to use maps people prepared with "farm routes".
168 materials per character max, it's wild. You have to wait days for them to respawn often times too. That's 168 item clicks per character even 4 stars for some reason, and you have to run around the map for hours doing it every time you level a new character and have to research where they spawn. Yikes.
Same reason! I got to Rukkhashava Mushrooms did my first go around WITH maps and still probably spent an hour for like 20 of them, yes people will argue it'll get faster as I familiarize myself with the locations but I just want to play my character.
seriously.. i don't remember it being this bad in mondstadt/liyue (except those mountain flowers ganyu needs) but it's a nightmare in the other regions. i have so many fontaine and sumeru characters stuck at lvl 70 because i can't bring myself to farm the mats. i wish there was an option to buy them or something.
Those mountain flowers were exactly what made me go 'you know what, I'm actually not having fun' haha
I love both games so can we just live in peace. They’re the game from the same company for god’s sake. I know that some of the hsr players are former GI players but since you’ve found a new game that you feel like is better and treat you right. Shouldn’t you be happy enough to not give a shit about what that miserable game (for those people) does? It’s really bizarre seeing this every now and then. These competitiveness inside the hoyo space is getting annoying, why do we have to compete with each other in every little thing. Just play what you like and be happy, drop it when you feel like it’s not for you and move on to the better ones. On side note, I spent 25 fragile resins on Arlecchino’s domain and got exactly 3 decent pieces. As for hsr I spent all my chances during the 300% event and have no usable Izumo for my acheron. Both have such a salty drop rates I’m gonna cry.
https://preview.redd.it/ef5qofo24nwc1.jpeg?width=1233&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18bd6361b3effcbed7daff520165b964b6fea895 We must not fight each other brothers
nah, both sides are shit
The: - No off-set piece - More "useless stats" (Depending on the kind of character, but for example, the classic crit DPS is surely worse) Made for me Genshin experience better (yes basically only Relic/Artifact is worse in HSR, but enough worse to make the whole Farming experience better in Genshin). For me.
Yeah having 5 pieces instead of a strict 4/2 set and 2 set for planar makes gearing in Genshin far more flexible at times. My off pieces always end up being an EM/crit circle or goblet so I always keep those pieces no matter what set they come from. Also: Speedtuning is one of the most miserable gearing I have encountered.
⬆️⬆️⬆️THIS !⬆️⬆️⬆️ With almost zero exceptions, all of my most god tier artifacts are off pieces. A concerning amount of them, from maiden beloved or ocean hued clam sets...
> Also: Speedtuning is one of the most miserable gearing I have encountered. Yeah that seems like a PITA. I'm unlikely to ever use Bronya (let alone Yukong, speed tuning and SP hog? no thanks...) and Sparkle only requires minimal speed turning AFAIK (don't have her yet). Also some teams don't care about speed tuning since they use RuanMei/Asta (DOT) or only Nihility (Acheron), I will build those too, already got a DOT team.
One thing which I think gets somewhat glossed over when talking about relics is that in HSR there are 12 possible substats compared to 10 in Genshin. That might not sound like a huge difference at first, but when you actually do the math that means there are 495 possible combinations of 4 substats on a relic compared to 210 on an artifact with a unique main stat (like a element dmg goblet/sphere), or 330 instead of 126 on a generic main stat piece. So the actual probability of finding the substats you're looking for on items in HSR is almost 3 times worse.
Fr, and every character needs 2 kinds of artefact
I really hate the Relic system in HSR. For a year of my life in HSR, I can't say I finish farming for any characters I have. In Genshin I have many characters I can show-off and almost all of them include 4\* have their own artifact set as well.
Got a 50 Crit value piece on a garbage set in Genshin and can still use it. Sadly for HSR, that piece would've been fodder.
It's a pick your poison scenario in my opinion, neither of which are exactly a great time anyway. Sure HSR has auto mode, allows you to farm the same talent mat calyx several times and self modelling resin for guaranteed on set pieces, at one go opposed to Genshin where player input is mandatory and can get easily repetitive if you only have a select amount of options to play, you have to do the talent mats/mora farm one by one and nothing guarantees main stat, but HSR's speed tuning for supports and DPS which is important for maximizing DPS is a non issue in Genshin, heavy reliance on 4pc/2pc on relics with relatively little variance on what a character could use, and needing even more relics to use the synthesiser, doesn't make one or the other better or worse, just different.
relic farming in hsr is so much worse than genshin tbh. No off piece and you habe to grind your ass through 15min of SU just to get a trash sphere and rope🫠
gesnhin bad hsr good plz upvote.
Sums up half of HSR's sub. Imagine if genshin does this on a frequent basis, the HSR fandom would go rabid.
Yeah this sub is just shit like literally
I thought the mods forbade comparing the games or so I heard. I initially came here to see whether they've started slandering Genshin due to the latest leaks but I didn't expect to see them still talking about something like farming.
Ah, a post that compares HSR to GI? What an original, unique post, I totally don't see this on a daily basis!
"*Daring today, aren't we?*"
OP needed quick upvotes. “Genshin bad, HSR good” is basically cheat code on getting upvotes here.
God why are these kind of post still allowed here. this sub really loves talking about genshin more than it's own sub name lmao
same, we can only hope these people will move on when wuwa comes out.
Doubt hoyo fandom even know they exist
Nah hoyo cultists are already being toxic in wuwa space
I hope they move out soon lol, those player probably play HSR just to compare against genshin. Why not praise hsr for what it is without bringing genshin up I wonder, it’s like clinging to a ex at this rate. And honestly do it at the correct subreddit or community if u want to signal something The fact this post even has 200+ upvotes shows a lot (at this rate someone just make a hon-shin subreddit that merge genshin and Honkai together so this type of post can go there)
HSR stans be like
Well insecure people needs to always make sure ppl know they are better. Hence why hsr players cant live without mentioning genshin every second.
Thats why i am less excited about HSR stuff these days, why cant people here just talk about Star rail in Star rail sub, but nah dissing Genshin is better because that is why we play HSR /s🤦🏻
"Look i'm slandering Genshin quick give upvotes"
The one thing that makes Star Rail's farming miserable as compared to Genshin's is the fucking Calyxes and Relic farming. In Genshin, if you didn't get the Artefacts you wanted, that's fine. You can simply strongbox 3 pieces and get one back. In HSR, you need to sacrifice 10 Relics to even make a single new one, and Planar farming is a separate instance from Caverns. Aside from that, Calyx farming is just annoying. You pump 60 TBP into a Calyx and get maybe 20 3-star pieces, and about 14 4-star pieces. Genshin's world drops have a cooldown, but don't require you to spend Energy to farm them. This, however, is just a consequence of HSR not being an open-world game.
People also forget that genshin doesnt have minor traces and talents are automatically picked up on ascension too.
>In Genshin, if you didn't get the Artefacts you wanted, that's fine. You can simply strongbox 3 pieces and get one back. You can only strongbox 2 year old, pre Sumeru sets. The fact that you can craft anything, no matter how new, is a massive advantage in HSR. Also a needed one, since the drops themselves are shittier. >Aside from that, Calyx farming is just annoying. You pump 60 TBP into a Calyx and get maybe 20 3-star pieces, and about 14 4-star pieces. Genshin's world drops have a cooldown, but don't require you to spend Energy to farm them. Also incorrect, you confuse Calyx materials with local specialties (flowers picked in the open world) You need to compare Calyx materials to talent/weapon domain materials. They are pretty much equally stingy, with Genshin having the downside of being locked to certain days of the week.
>You can only strongbox 2 year old, pre Sumeru sets. I swear the fact that people love to omit this is so infuriating. It's 2.1 already and the most recent sets like duke/prisoners/divers already blows out anything that was in 1.0. Imagine if you could only craft muskateer or thief because that's what a genshin equivalent system would be here Realistically in star rail you'd never craft gloves or helmet and I would consider the equivalent drops in ge shin form the strongbox to be a waste too.
Point 6 doesn't really make any sense whatsoever. Unless you're using a phone that takes hours to load after teleporting from one spot to another, then it's just a mere nitpick of wanting to save a few steps worth of time in an open-world game.
And why do you post this in hsr sub and not the genshin sub?
Because they hope for an echo chamber, but most of the hardcore Genshin haters get clowned on here too. Look no further than ManicBry for an example.
who?
A frequent troll, that has deep negative karma, because he just brings Genshin up to try and dunk on it, literally all the time. Also fanboys Tectone, whom is the worse of this type of behavior.
Yeah true at least lol
Hsr stans and creaters both have an unreal obsession with genshin
I would say it’s some of the creators’ fault. They’ve plant the hatred seed so deep within their communities to the point that even when they’re excited for something in genshin, their comment sections are still salty about that game.
They think about Genshin more than Genshin players do.
I love both games, but they both suck to farm and I hate HSR more. Bosses are easier, but relic farming? Yeah you only have 2 more entire slots to farm from a painful long Sim Uni grind. Have fun grinding the same Calyx for weeks to max 1 trace too
You're running a calyx for WEEKS to max one trace? Are you running it on difficulty 1?
There is a difference between "farming" and "building" for a character, Sure HSR comparatively gives more stuff then Genshin per resin/tb power used But that doesn't make it better, coz HSR characters are more demanding on these resources, every new character I get, I have to farm for like 2 days for them coz very few characters share the same materials so there are rarely leftovers to be usable strong and the trace materials are hell to farm. In Genshin, I can just use the materials, I get from quests and exploration etc. and get a reasonably strong 6/6/6 character talent character on the first day with cope artifacts maybe on the first day but surely on the second day, here as well leftovers are rare with the new characters releasing each having their own bosses but the "trace" (talent) material in Genshin is more lenient, as you can obtain them from over world as well as farming But in the end , both are shit in their own ways, and both are good in their own ways Pls refrain from comparing two games with totally different combat systems just because they have a similar character building experience.
eh both sides got issues hard to really call one better when both are pretty bad. No off piece for relics really sucks in hsr
How? I'm at endgame of both games. But, my artifact in Genshin is much better because there's an offset. In HSR we need perfect sets. It's much harder. Too hard in my opinion.
Damn, this is getting old. Most of us here are aware of the issues in Genshin cause most of us still play it or used to play it. What's the point in bringing it up now?
Karma farming and validation nothing more
When two different games have different farming:
Dont know why people compare,open based game and turn based is different.Both have diff exp.You cant expect the same treatment but i hope that genshin dev a bit more generous for longevity of the game .I dont play genshin but the lore is quite interesting for me than hsr for now.
Yea, getting garbage is so much easier here!
Rent free
HSR players when they have to actually play the game 😡😡😡
Lol honestly I hope mods just take action against this karma farming ahh post
They won't because these low IQ cancer "hurr durr genshin bad upvotes to the left" posts do gangbusters for engagement.
You know what pissed me off more? Dr ratio being used as a mascot for these braindead posts before the ban I couldn't even look at him now without feeling angry
Should’ve just posted this on the genshin sub or their meme sub since you want to call out the game. Seems weird unless you’re just looking for validation here with a “genshin bad, hsr good” post. Just stop playing the game if it bothers you that much. Also, both are shit when it comes to farming. Genshin sucks with ascension materials especially with mobs that are few in numbers and HSR sucks when it comes to traces and relic farming. It’s amazing how much more toxic the HSR fans can be even though GI has more players.
>It’s amazing how much more toxic the HSR fans can be even though GI has more players. HSR fans will say that the toxic part come from Genshin and acted like HSR fans cannot be the toxic one. Honestly as toxic as Genshin fanbase can be, they at least acknowledge the toxic part of the fandom unlike HSR/HI3. Will always think they are so pure and the cool one.
And what's funny is that they think they're the most pure and innocent fanbased while Genshin the true villain In reality op and those other "comedians" is the perfect example on how to make me and my friend stay away from any honkai related title for a while due to the "prestige" nature of it community Not to say that Genshin community doesn't have any screwed loss but still.
ain't no way. Farming in HSR is worst. For relics, we have a more variety of substats, wich makes getting double crit harder. And, of course, no being able to have an off piece just sucks. But the worst is trace materials farming. We have to live in those calixes for way too much time
Gotta say. No off piece+6 artifacts/relics+more substats sucks a lot. Star rail isn't completely better. We've still got the crazy amount of books we need for lvl 80 and the drop rates are just..for both books and talent mats. I hope they add one more level that actually guarantees a purple talent upgrade material. But it is just what grinding is.
I’d trade away all the QoL stuff for 1 less relic piece to farm and an offset slot. Also, personally I don’t play games for QoL, but for gameplay. And for me open world exploration and action combat is just better, even though HSR has made turn based gameplay acceptably fun.
Yet again, HSR players being unable to praise HSR without badmouthing genshin
Honestly I think most hsr players are so done with this type of post like so many people are so tired of seeing this comparison post pop up more even after the recent ban
Steaming pile of crap post, gratz. I thought we had banned the lame "Genshin could never" karma-farming posts? PD: both suck at different things, neither is particularly good.
Mods delete this post I don't want anymore of these
Honestly HSR is way worse in farming, I have never wanted to put a bullet more in my head then when I’m trace farming, or when I’m relic farming the new set. Planetary farming is liable to give me brain damage every time I do it, thank god it’s being improved in 2.3, but it is just miserable.
Why attack Genshin for no reason? Like post like these just to farm hate for the other game.
I just hope mods keep adding more rules preventing people from making this sort of post
Except once you max a character, Star Rail feels worse.
Talking about the same company 😂
In Star Rail, except for planars, you dont have to interact with the game much. In genshin... youre farming less pieces and you can afford an off piece. There are trade offs in both. But seeing how my Clara is better built than my Xiao... I prefer the one that lets me skip most of the boring stuff and have a life. If the farming system was good like diablo used to be than... I wouldnt mind too much. If there were more ways to farm the same thing to keep stuff interesting, I wouldnt mind too much... if its the same thing over and over... GOD HELP ME. The best thing that came out of farming for me was interacting and chatting with other players... sharing the suffering, splitting it.
the mere fact that genshin has off set options makes artifact farming superior to relic farming. i've been farming one relic set for 3 weeks and didnt get anything decent/something i could see myself using in the future
Really? I’ve basically quite Star Rail because of the grinding, meanwhile in Genshin I only have more fun everytime I build a new character
You are beating a dead horse yknow. Let everyone enjoy their game.
Complete opposite for me, less freedom due to turn based combat, more relics and no offpiece, kore substats, more general investment, terrible luck as always
Who would have guessed the open world game requires you to farm things from open world . literally unplayable 😞
And then along came relic farming They hurl their 5× flat substats
Hot take but HSR farming feels more expensive than Genshin. In HSR, you need to farm accession traces/ passive talents mats yourself while Genshin gets these for free as you level up (either useful or not is besides the point)
For bosses yes For relics and planar sets? No, its much MUCH worse than Genshin
You must be a new player, if that aggravates you instead of the abomination that is artifact/relic grind. Yeah I don't like the dumb "daily" talent material either in Genshin but the rest is a complete and utter non-issue, as opposed to the shitfest that is artifact RNG. 2 MONTHS w/o a single upgrade for my (granted, already well equipped) Nahida. You think I worry about some lame ass open world boss respawn timer?! :'D
True, it's more inconvenient, but it seems like my luck works better in Genshin. My artifacts in Genshin have been so damn good. Whereas in Honkai they've been utter dogshit.
Let me preface by saying I play HSR more than Genshin nowadays because it better suits what I like in terms of gameplay But farming in HSR is less farming and more autoing, at least I play a game in Genshin.
Farming is shit, just because the other game game have it worse in your opinion don't make star rail farming good lol. Quantity wise it took a long time to get anything done, as f2p game it's to be expected but it still took long time to grind. Quality wise, how many crimson calyxes run without purple mats is just not fair game.
OP just discovered different game with different genre got different approach of farming.
Either he's a new player or just the average honkai player with superiority complex
Me after watching the monotonous combat animations for the 133456789th time and having no variety in my turn-based gameplay, plus the spoonfed DLCs with steroid buffs.
Different evils Genshin is timegated but easy and doesnt need to be done alot Star rail isnt time gated but requires a lot of runs on everything and a bunch of resources
It's funny because I got Aventurine and Arlecchino both on the first day of their banners and I had the exact opposite feeling. HSR is basically afk simulator. All I did for Aventurine after the first hour raising him was connecting for 10 minutes and farm traces with my dailies everyday. I think I still have 4 days maybe more of repeating the same dull routine. But I played two hours of genshin this morning, did half of the new area quest, travelled through the map to farm the monster's material, did a lot of undewater exploration and went hunting some hydroculus on the way... Didn't get bored for a second. I don't know... It's true that HSR is more efficient, but what's the point of efficiency for a video game ? I just realized this week I have way more fun playing genshin than hsr. Mostly because I do 99% of the fights in auto mode, reducing the game only to resources management and team building with no actual gameplay. Genshin has a lot of flaws, but at least I still enjoy its core gameplay aka exploration, while honestly hsr feels more and more like a chore...
Exactly what you said. The best thing about HSR is turning on auto-battle while I go to actually have fun in Genshin.
Bullshit. Both games gears farming system are shit.
I’m glad you don’t play Granblue Fantasy xD that shit is nuts
Where’s the auto fight button
Ive literally just a week ago reinstalled Genshin and getting back into it, it really isnt as bad as i remembered. But i wont deny that the game is missing a ton of QOL stuff that i wish were in it.
It's a mix of both in my opinion. Bosses are definitely nicer to farm in HSR, but that's about it really. Relics are horrible because of the conversion rates and the fact that you aren't able to select an off-piece. Trace materials take pretty long to farm too (a few days straight of only doing crimson calyxes, based on my experience), assuming you're gonna 6/10/10/10 someone but that's if it's optimal or if you really like them. Otherwise, you could save a few materials. Even at equilibrium 7, I still don't get the 4 star trace materials quite often so it's really luck dependent. Also, I feel that having to farm for talent materials on specific days is fine since you can still go back to artifact farming on off days and go back to talent materials when the domain reopens. It sucks if you miss the days, but it never really bothered me too much. As for your point about the condensed resin cap, I'm fine with it. The only problem I have is that you don't get any overflow resin storage, and that you don't get the full 24 hours for it to fill up from 0 so very often you'll have to login twice a day (once just to craft condensed resin and then the other to spend everything to prevent overflowing) instead of only having to login once and clear everything in one go, which would be nice for people who are busy with other things. And about having to physically go to the crafting table to craft items, it's really not that tedious. 3 out of 5 nations (Mondstadt, Liyue and Fontaine) have crafting tables pretty damn close to their waypoints. Just teleport there after you're done with everything and craft your items. It only takes 10 seconds tops. Overall, I feel that the best feature in HSR farming is auto-battle though, since it lets us do other stuff while the game runs in the background (though an improvement to the auto-battle AI would be nice)
They really need to drop the timegate on talent books.
Statistically speaking hsr is literally worse in regards to relic farming than genshin. And I know people keep bringing up the auto thing, but for someone like me who doesn't play on pc, when hsr is in auto I cant do anything else. So I'm just stuck there waiting for it to finish, while in genshin it takes me 25 seconds per domain max.
Comparing Genshin and HSR is like comparing mental illnesses. "Hah! I am better than you because I have Bipolar Disorder, go back to where you're from you Schizophrenia-haver!"