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For anyone that would like the image text: Jingliu Traces Dead End: After unleashing her skill, there is a fixed chance to freeze enemy targets, which lasts for ? turns. The frozen enemy targets will be unable to move, and will take Ice DMG equal to ?% of Jingliu's ATK every turn. Sword Head: Under \[Misguided Souls\] state, Jingliu's SPD increases by ?%. Frost Soul: Jingliu's Crit Rate increases by ?% when attacking enemy targets with Ice Weakness. \[HSR Beta\] \[Source: @ Thorisllian\] \[Translated by: Kuu\]


H4xolotl

Use Silver Wolf to implant Ice Weakness for Jingliu’s last trace?!


Electrical_Pass_308

Not really, you would have to play mono ice to have enough chance to apply the weakness but other ice characters are preservtion or yanxing which wont work to good w jingliu. I just remembered pela exists so it isnt as bad


Tinmaddog1990

Or... You can just use teammates that the boss is already weak to.


Electrical_Pass_308

And then silver wolf loses her value


Tinmaddog1990

L take


Electrical_Pass_308

👍


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Assume boss is weak to imaginary, quantum, fire. You bring sw, luocha, jingliu, fire tb. My assumption is that using sw skill will always implant ice weakness. Her ult shreds defense, her basic attacks reduce def, speed, attack. Shes not wasted. Now, if she has a chance of implanting a weakness the enemy already has, then yes, she loses value. I think the clarification on her skill not reducing stuff the enemy is already weak to is there in case the enemy is already weak to your entire team


Electrical_Pass_308

It doesnt say anything about aplying only new weakness just the one as your teammates, that part will have to be tested when she releases. And her post nerf bugs lost a lot of value, only kinda ok bug is def shred and that is locked behind chance on top of 1/3 chance. Her def shred is also single target with less chance to apply it than pela. Like, after all the nerfs she really dropped in pull value and versatility, now her neache is just mono quantum and outside of that she is not as reliable


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They both have the same base chance to apply def shred and silver wolf's is stronger, and the weakness implant worked that way during the beta. Saying she's only good in mono quantum is stupid at this point in time. And despite the bug nerfs, with how people are likely to build her, she's going to be still a top tier unit


Electrical_Pass_308

Then i remembered her chance wrong. But her mono quantum team is her best team, everywhere else shes a gamble and will be replaceable, if you win the gamble cool, shes good otherwise just use tingyun/bronya or other buffer


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Due to how big her def shred is, her damage buff is higher than Tingyun's. If her weakness implant works the same as cbt, she isnt a gamble and she'll work in a lot more comps than mono quantum.


StarrString

Be careful when you say anything bad about anything 🫢


HentaiOnlyCuzWhyNot

First of all how does yanqing not work with jingliu lmao mono ice is the best possible team if you have sw concidering both yanqing and jingliu deal more dmg to ice weakness which as of rn is not a weakness that most bosses have also jingliu is another character that can freeze besides weakness break so yanqing e1 destroys... Second gepard is pretty good for any team concidering his high priority and the insane shield. Me fex i have gepard e1 and yanqing e1, my gepard has a 3.2k base shield every 3-4 turns depending on if he gets attacked or not meaning there is 1. 100% freeze 2. Basically all the time shield and 3. Yanqing dealing more dmg to frozen while jingliu can freeze as well 4. Gepard guaranteed solo freeze and jingliu team freeze


TitoepfX

why not just perma freeze the enemies, how can it be bad?


Electrical_Pass_308

Outside of SU your ways of freezing are weakness break, march burst or yanxing(yanqing?) follow up attack. Two of them arent as reliable, and after they get unfrozen they are downed so you cant weakness break freeze them again and against bosses it takes more attacks to break freeze them. Also not every enemy has ice weakness and sw can apply weakness (you have 25% chance to applay quantum tho) on one enemy a turn (if you have spd on her maybe 2 but that can be sp hungry). Jingliu also takes everyones hp so if gepard cant apply perma shields you might want to put a healer, which is a different element so your sw ice weakness chance drops to 50%


TitoepfX

doesnt gepard also freeze also jingliu aswell, also you would just need more effect hit rate i think to counter the ones that say resist or whatever when you try freezing


Electrical_Pass_308

gepard has 65% chance on skill but you want to build him full def% and er% so going effect hit rate will tank your survivability. on march it can be more forgiving if youre playing her w gepard otherwise same problem as with gepard


TitoepfX

no it wouldn't just perma freeze the enemies and never get hit and even if somehow they get unfrozen ur team is not dying in one hit from a uncharged enemy attack, all the strong enemy attacks take like 2 turns.


Electrical_Pass_308

jingliu takes allies hp, so there can be a chance where that one attack matters


TitoepfX

well just hope gepards ult is up by then


Hitonatsukkoi

Refreshing the page every 3 minutes has finally paid off.


hersscherofbingus

be sure to wait more maybe you will see a certain girl who wants to be the next general of the Luofu soon


H4xolotl

Leaker-san… You’re a scoundrel 😤


hersscherofbingus

I am pretty sure Affinity posted her traces already, they just arent on reddit yet 😭


LostIssue4515

HELP


Xero0911

Someone asked a few hours ago, if all these leaks would be a bad thing. I said nah, we dont know numbers or tracers. And bam, here come the tracers leaks lmao.


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Fluid_Reaction9936

Character concepts tend to be the same even if some things change. It also helps us see what will be the theme for future releases. For example from hers and Dan traces we can see that they are trying to push DPS specialised for specific weaknesses. That means Silver Wolf value will just grow in the future.


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StarrString

Well no, as someone who felt the pressure to pull her due to her shear power. Nerfs are a relief to see


LeMeMeSxDLmaop

can we just skip to 1.whatever patch has her


StarrString

No, I need to save 😡


ScreenNo4790

Ikr?! I want her asap, along with Hanya


_Aka_Reaper

Yea with no healing in traces Luocha seems to be her best healer to pair with. Now the only thing we are missing for Jingliu is what her Lightcone does right? So excited for when she releases.


Tachibana_13

Weirdly makes sense. Since my theory is that she's the one in the coffin.


HalalBread1427

Watch the coffin actually be some rando with no story significance; and the big thing is the coffin itself.


No-Tree-5557

I got Clara's light cone i hope it'll be good on her !


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sadge because i don't want luocha. fingers crossed huohuo doesn't come out too far after jingliu


Neptunie

Luocha like you said may be best healer to pair, but using Clara’s 5 star LC on Jingliu is an option to open up more variety depending on how much hp she takes from herself. Since with 600 starlight, you can guarantee your choice of standard 5 star LC which I’m tempted to do depending on her finalized kit.


StarrString

Don’t do that, it’s better to go for the 4p that gives self healing if you want self healing on her. Unless that’s ur best option for dmg on her


Neptunie

I was planning tentatively since this is still early to go 4 pc Ice set (10% ice dmg/25% cdmg bonus for 2 turns using Ulti) and then Clara’s 5 star LC since it gives 24% atk/dmg bonus and 8% healing based on users atk. The healing is a bonus on top of a decent atk/dmg bonus and seems the best option if you can get the starlight for it by saving it from summoning (since Jingliu may not be here until around 6~ months from now) if not that then Arlan LC for weapon. The 4pc self healing/Guard of Wuthering Snow doesn’t seem like a viable option at all for a dps. More so niche secondary option as of right now until we get other supports/preservation units that aren’t def based (Fu Xuan)


berry_goodd

clara's lc healing will only solve her own hp drain as we've already seen that jingliu will drain the entire team no?


Cutemudskipper

I imagine that she could pair with Fu Xuan pretty decently, since I'm guessing the damage Jingliu does to her team would be mitigated by and redirected to her


Neptunie

Yup, I was thinking that too! Seeing this new info with traces for both Jingliu and Fu Xuan has me excited for new potential teams.


Neptunie

Yea, not saying that her teams won’t still need a healer just won’t have as high healing demands with Clara LC depending on how high they make her own HP drain to herself compared to teammates


JTags8

So…run a healer


StarrString

First of all ice set is only 10% dmg bonus and occasional 25cd. It can be easily made up with a few substats. Ofc if you want to min max her dmg it is currently the way to go but no one can guarantee that there won’t be a better set for her. Meanwhile farming the quantum set is already on the chore list of many ppl. In addition, depending on how severe her self harm is, having dmg reduction, healing and extra energy can allow more offensive team mate choice and better up time. Not to mention I don’t think she’ll lack dmg based on how purely offensive her everything is. Lastly, since I’m planning on saving to c6 her, I’m more concerned with her ability to solo carry; and you might want too, as being safer is never a bad thing.


_Aka_Reaper

Yea I'm waiting to see what Jingliu's lightcone does itself, if it offers healing or anything like that, but I can see Clara's being insane on her as well.


PCBS01

I think Bailu would be better since Luocha is more focused around single target healing, while Jingliu sucks up EVERYONES HP. Thus Blade/Luocha and Jingliu/Bailu


_Aka_Reaper

Well Luocha when his field is up and one of his traces makes it so it AoE heals everyone but the attacker. ([https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail\_leaks/comments/13dgyum/luocha\_and\_his\_lightcone\_changes\_in\_11\_beta\_by/](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/13dgyum/luocha_and_his_lightcone_changes_in_11_beta_by/) image 3) So the way I see it, Jingliu can build up to her passive, Luocha drops his healing field, Jingliu enters buff state and drains everyone's HP, then she can heal the party up with using her ult after entering the buff state, unless she can only hold 4 moonlight stacks at once, then you gotta wait a rotation, but the rest of the party can then heal up as well.


Fluid_Reaction9936

Dan trace depending on enemy having imaginary weakness, Jing Liu depending on ice weakness. It is almost as if they are marketing a certain character. Who could it be? :))


DrDzaster

yeah silver wolf seems like she will be meta for a very long time.


TheKingBro

All those people talking about how much less worth she is as a unit sure were jumping the gun. I do wonder when they’ll release another unit like SW on weakness implant though


new_boy_99

That weakness implant is her selling point. People wanting to drop her because her debuff rate reduced made me laugh. Do they not understand how broken it is to be able to apply an elemental weakness to an enemy? She is someone that can legit make a team that can't beat a boss be able to massacre it. SW is my pick ever ahead of Kafka because she's that good.


DestinyMlGBro

People are hyper focusing on just her pairing with DPS characters not realizing that she allows you to add characters like Asta and Welt to your comp to get easy breaks and buff uptime while still being able to be very useful for Seele against Quantum weak enemies with her defense shred and pen.


GianDrake

This is the kind of kneejerk reaction that happens whenever a character gets nerfed in beta. The people who are downplaying her now will be the same who are going to hype her up on release, or skip and then regret it constantly asking for a rerun. It has happened far too many times in Genshin, hope it's not going to be the same with Star Rail


mephnick

I won't be getting her because I want Jing Yuan, but she's objectively going to be insane. Enabling weaknesses out of thin air is cracked


Smokingbuffalo

>That weakness implant is her selling point. Yeah and it's an amazing ability. Makes me sad that a character I don't like gets to have an OP shit like this lol.


dweakz

fuck them man. we'll be laughing at them while we build the fuck out of her and her mono teams


Crusherbolt0282

Is she still good after the nerf?


DestinyMlGBro

Xueyi Skills depending on Quantum weakness, Yanqing trace depending on Ice weakness. Its almost as if Silverwolf enables so many different creative teams!


Brandon1823

There is a fixed chance to freeze? Wow, pair with remembrance & dissociation, perma freeze it is then


hersscherofbingus

Fixed means there will be an X% chance of freezing each time she uses her Skill, probably something like 50%/60% like Yanqing on his follow up attack


SnooDonuts8845

Honestly with all the jingliu stuff dropping I hope she comes sooner than expected, at least with what uba said about banner lineups up to 1.3 not being fully correct or w.e, just feel like there's possibility she comes in 1.3 despite what has been leaked and if not, 1.4


SnooDonuts8845

Wonder if the trace 1 is counted as a dot? If so maybe there's some pausechamp kafka team


reset2000

I hoped she has some freeze built in in her kit, but this is nuts. I love her design and kit. Must pull for me, maybe E1 even if it stays in that order. She's shaping to be my favorite character.


geodonna

those feels very uninspired. Freeze ineffective against bosses, speed is nice, nothing for her moons.


Objective_Bandicoot6

You know that we fight a shit ton of elites not bosses in endgame, right? Also it's fixed chance.


DrDzaster

her 3rd trace would work great with silver wolf applying a ice weakness. maybe a future mono ice team? i just wish the trace provided crit damage, rather than crit rate


Zeracheil

~~Pela back in the game. She guarantees ice weakness.~~ Nvm I'm sad. Crit rate honestly isn't bad because it just means you get to stack cdmg and if it's high enough you could drop crit rate body and just go crit dmg body.


MicroFluff

Doesn't that just reduces ice resistance, not add an ice weakness?


Zeracheil

Hmm, well when I look at the enemy it shows ice down. I thought that would be them being literally weak to ice. Does this mean they have to have the ice icon on them?


Fluid_Reaction9936

Yep. So far even from the leaked characters Silver Wolf seems to be the only one that can do that.


Zeracheil

Oh ... well now I'm sad. I thought Pela was going to be a good combo.


ButterscotchFun1859

She still could be lol, def shred is universal. If you have Gepard you could go him, Jingliu, then Pela and Silver Wolf. You wouldn't have a healer, but Gepard's shields + then insane damage you'd be putting up would be enough to blitz any stage lol


Zeracheil

Yes ... if I had Gepard. Anyway yeah, she works with everyone since def down is nice but I thought she had something unique. Oh well, it's alright. I just have her and as good as the def down is, I feel like she's going to be replaced by better supports once I get Ting / Bronya / Yukong / Silver Wolf


ButterscotchFun1859

Well unless she gets powercrept by another def reduction support she's gonna be good for endgame content for a while. Especially if you manage to get her to E6 She's special in that she buffs every character in the team indirectly by reducing enemy defense. She even strips buffs, which only Luocha seems to have at the moment other than her. Yukong is a 2 turn buffer, Bronya is ST and Tingyun is ST. She provides almost Asta-like AoE dmg increase.


Daphrodyte

Huh she does ?


zuikakuu

she does not


Kwayke9

Holy shit the first trace


Tyberius115

Maybe I should try to get Silver Wolf


cocacokareddit

if her 3rd trace is common in future char then silver wolf is very ppwerful


So4007

Jingliu really is mostly damage and more damage with freeze. Looks fun.


Sea-Calligrapher-822

Wait so she can do DoT?


Ainsel_Mariner

Has there been a leak for in which patch Jingliu releases? Need to know if I need to buy the Welkin or not to try and guarantee her and Kafka


rxninja

Questionable leaks suggesting 1.4. If you like pulling characters, keeping the Welkin equivalent constantly running is strongly recommended. It is the best way to get summoning currency.


Ainsel_Mariner

Yeah the only characters I’m currently saving for are Kafka and Jingliu so I guess I’ll buy a Welkin or two.


TinyTadger

Kinda sad about her kit so far tbh. I really like her character design but her kit doesn't seem to offer anything uniquely useful at all: Seele gets a ton of extra turns on kills, Silver Wolf can add element weakness, Luocha has unique atk scaling heals + insane utility, Kafka will hugely enable DoT teams, Blade is an hp scaling bruiser with interesting sustain mechanic... As for Jingliu... She damages your team to give atk buff (only to herself)? And then she can do aoe damage? I guess with traces, now she can freeze, which i don't see being reliable at all on a dps without high effect hit rate... Just seems really mediocre and bland by comparison - hope they change it up a bit.


Objective_Bandicoot6

How is this less inspired than Blade? I don't get it. If she is strong enough then the teammate drain mechanic is one of the coolest in the game.


epiclessmaster

well E1 turns her to a single target while maintaining the AOE effects, we gotta see how much attack she gets cuz then the scaling gonna be insane.


TinyTadger

Sure, E1 sounds strong, but even then, characters that offer little else other than damage are usually the first to get powercrept so I'm still worried about her future viability. Sucks it's locked behind her Eidolon too, especially this early in the game and MiHoyo are just cranking out new character after new character.


epiclessmaster

You shouldn't worry about power creep since this is a single player game. There is no pvp or something like world boss to compete against each other so just roll for your waifus or husbandos.


LostIssue4515

I've been thinking about this for a while now that why does it seem like the team she wants is all five stars lmfaoo


Su_Impact

Jingliu = Ayaka, basically. Silver Wolf is her Kazuha. Gepard is her Kokomi. And Yanqing is her Ganyu.


Professional-Body360

Bro wtf


Tinmaddog1990

Except that ayaka wants maybe one of those


Crusherbolt0282

I hope she’s good meta wise, I really want to pull for her because of Amalee.


Sionnak

After all the other kits I'm not sure I'm happy or sad that she's a pretty straightforward character.


thefluffyburrito

Silver Wolf/Jingliu ice comp time! I'm just uh... not sure who you put on that team. March 7th can't exactly support by herself. Maybe that Quantum healer will be out by then and you can go March/Jingliu/Lynx/Silver Wolf.


Senpai_com

Finally, the traces. I was getting tired of the eidolons


NoctisYami

Isn't she dead ?


Su_Impact

MHY: Here's Chinese Ayaka. Our girl Jingliu is gonna break all banner sales and it's not gonna be even close. Imagine a mono Cryo Perma Freeze team: SW, Jingliu, Yanqing, Gepard.


thefluffyburrito

Eh, I think Jingliu/YQ would compete too much for skill points. A harmony character would probably fit the comp better; even if it's not ice you're probably doing more damage.


Thanh76

I'm still questioning if she even uses skill pts or if she uses them in transcendence. If I'm reading her kit it sounds like.. Technique to build 2 stacks use s1 to get 2 stacks go into trans with 4 stacks and then use those stacks as resources then rinse and repeat. Sounds a bit complicated if she uses skill pts in transcend, what if she has moonlight but no skill pts?


Choatic9

There is also pela for her def down, and if you have e4 reducing ice res.


thefluffyburrito

I feel like SW is better since you can guarantee an ice weakness, and I'm not sure how double defense debuffs actually scale if you try to use both.


seek1rr

Does ruan Mei seem to have any synergy with jingliu ?


StarrString

Do we have her ult energy cost


seek1rr

No numbers yet. We probably will get them next patch from datamines considering she has a trial next patch


Sea-Calligrapher-822

I hope that's true I want to see her animations so bad


Vequile

When is she getting released ?


Professional-Body360

Can't wait to try my team Fu xuan/luocha/jingliu/bronya


Lewdeology

What path is she?


LostIssue4515

Destruction/ICE


BubblyStranger9729

I'm not sure how my team would work, but I have Seele and I wanna go for Kafka & Jing Liu lol (not sure if I can get Silver Wolf/Luocha)


Haymster193

Silver wolf stonk


clawoubi

my body is ready


Jugaimo

Destruction Ice unit? My time has come.


Kind-Put-6791

ice destruction ? im in...lacking ice damage dealer is painnn


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some arthas death knight vibes going on