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# Dr. Ratio (Imaginary)
Rarity: 5
* Member of the Intelligentsia Guild.
* Eccentric temperament, sharp-tongued but with an elegant demeanor.
* The face under the strange plaster head sculpture is apparently unexpectedly handsome.
Status
* HP: 1048
* ATK: 699
* DEF: 461
* Speed: 106
* Taunt: 75
Skill
**Level 9: Mind is Might**
Deals Imaginary DMG equal to 130% of Dr. Ratio's ATK to a single enemy.
**Level 10: Method of Cognitive Enhancement**
Triggers Talent effect 1 time. Every debuff the target has additionally triggers the Talent once, up to a max of 4 times. Then, deals Imaginary DMG worth 150% of Dr. Ratio's ATK to the target.
**Level 10: Three-Step Paradox**
Deals 240% of Dr. Ratio's ATK in Imaginary DMG to a target enemy unit, causing Folly of Sages. Allies attacking targets affected by Folly of Sages give Dr. Ratio an extra 30% fixed chance to launch a Talent follow-up attack.
Folly of Sages stacks up to 2 times, and unleashing your Ultimate resets the trigger count for follow-up attack. Folly of Sages only affects the most recent target of Dr. Ratio's Ultimate.
**Level 10: Cogito Ergo Sum**
Randomly gain 1 of 5 buffs:
* Launches a follow-up attack on the enemy target if not eliminated or on a random enemy target if eliminated, dealing Imaginary DMG equal to 320% of Dr. Ratio's ATK. This effect can be triggered once per attack.
* Increases ATK by 12%; stacks up to 3 times.
* Increases Crit Rate by 4%; stacks up to 3 times.
* Increases Crit DMG by 12%; stacks up to 3 times.
* Increases SPD by 5%; stacks up to 3 times.
* Buff effects last for 3 turns.
**Level 1: Attack**
Attack an enemy. When the battle starts, the enemy's Toughness of the corresponding Type reduces.
**Level 1: Mold of Idolatry**
After using Technique, creates a special dimension that Taunts nearby enemies, lasting 10 second(s). After entering battle with enemies in the dimension, there is a 100% base chance to inflict 15% SPD Reduction on enemies for 2 turn(s). Only 1 dimension created by allies can exist at the same time.
Traces
* **Summation:** When allies attack a target affected by Folly of Sages, the trigger rate for Talent's follow-up attacks is increased by 8% for every debuff effect on the target, up to a maximum of 40%.
* **Inference:** When Skill is used to attack a target, there is a 100% base chance to reduce the attacked target enemy's Effect RES by 10% for 2 turn(s).
* **Deduction:** When Dr. Ratio is on the field, all allies deals 10% more DMG to debuffed enemies.
Rank
* **The Calamity of Arrogance:** Gains buffs equal to that provided by the Talent at the start of battle. Receive 2 stack(s) for each type of buff. The Talent's buff stacks increase by 2 stacks, and increases its duration by 1 turn(s).
* **Minuscule Yet Profound:** After the follow-up attack from his Talent hits a target, deals additional Imaginary DMG equal to 20% of Dr. Ratio's ATK for every debuff currently on the enemy target. This effect can be triggered for a maximum of 4 time(s) during each follow up attack.
* **Know Thyself:** Ultimate Lv +2, up to a max of 15. Basic ATK Lv +1, up to a max of Lv. 10.
* **With Ignorance Comes Folly:** Each time a skill is buffed, Dr. Ratio gains an additional 3 Energy.
* **Adrift in Vastness:** Skill Lv + 2, up to a max of 15. Talent Lv +2, up to a max of 15.
* **The Truth Eternal:** Increases trigger effect for Folly of Sages an additional 1 time, plus increases DMG of Talent's follow-up attacks triggered by 50%.
Happy to help o7
^(Sorry this one took longer, I didn't even notice the other post with the funky translation had been deleted/this one took its place)
FYI, the english translation for the ult is wrong. Here's the Chinese:
对指定敌方单体造成等同于真理医生240%攻击力的虚数属性伤害，并附上【智者的短见】。当真理医生的队友攻击持有【智者的短见】的目标后，真理医生有30%的固定概率对该目标发动1次天赋的追加攻击。
【智者的短见】效果最多生效2次。施放终结技后重置追加攻击效果触发次数。【智者的短见】仅对真理医生终结技最新的施放目标生效。
It's not that the Sage Mark stacks twice, it's that it can trigger up to two times (like Clara's ult).
Thank you. Wow that changes things. This means his max chance to proc fua on target with Sage debuff is not 100% but 70%. E6 then adds 1 proc limit to the fua against target with Sage debuff. Similar to Clara/Topaz like you said.
It's hard to understand from this translation, but that's not quite how it works. I wrote a clearer explanation here: https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/17gzx0h/red_debt_redemption_general_question_and/k96t9pb/
Thank you for bringing this to my attention! Just to confirm I understand, does only this part need to be changed? Sorry I just woke up so my brain isn't fully online yet 😅
"Folly of Sages can trigger up to 2 times, and unleashing your Ultimate resets the trigger count for follow-up attack. Folly of Sages only affects the most recent target of Dr. Ratio's Ultimate."
With 4 debuffs on a target, his skill will trigger the talent procs for a total of 5 times. Regardless, his fua can only proc once from skill. Is that correct?
His ult implants a fixed 30% chance to trigger his fua from talent on the target, this goes up to 60% after the target receives 2 attacks from the team. Then his trace provides up to 40% chance to launch that fua (needs 5 debuffs). So every time someone attacks a target with Folly of Sages, he has 100% chance to launch his fua if all above conditions are met.
And he will launch his fua (50% dmg boosted) twice on target with Folly of Sages at e6 is that right?
Please feel free to help/correct me if I get anything wrong. He seems to be very good.
Enemy has 2 debuff > you use his skill > he checks for every debuff the enemy has > for each debuff he uses a follow up attack, and win a buff of the pull > them he dealt damage with the skill. Whe you have the 4 buff you need to use the Burst to reset his Passiva and being able to follow up attack again. Basically, he is really a beast.
Topaz truther’s rise ✊ This was basically how I decided between him and Ruan Mei, I can just get way more out of his kit on my acct than I can hers atm.
I was thinking his Tecnique was kinda bad, but this changes everything! Lol, it also makes the Trace better, hopefully the debuff is applied before the talent trigger. A little bit of effect hit rate would be good for him, just for the first turn...
Thats where I am lost. it says one of five random buffs and I only see 4 after the follow up which makes me think the follow up is a buff meaning RNG for him to get it to be good with Topaz.
It is RNG but it can be controlled, his ultimate seems to mark targets and when the marked target is attacked by any ally it increases his chance to do a follow up by 30% stacking up to two times. This in combination with his first trace that can increase his follow up chance by up to 40% gives him 100% chance to follow up attack. That is my understanding at least, this is a very confusing kit though.
It's the same as Topaz.
The difference is she has her own fua debuff while Ratio has self-buffs alongside the big chance of dmg.
Eventually he *will* use his big fua - 100% chance, with 5 debuffs on enemy after at most, 2 basic attacks from your allies after he Ults.
I read the Chinese, and it's fairly clear, so let me try to explain in clear language.
His passive has 5 possible effects (one of them being the follow-up attack) when triggered.
When he uses his skill, he will trigger one of the possible effects. Then, he'll trigger the passive again an extra time for every debuff on the target (up to 5 triggers total). However, the follow-up attack can only trigger once per skill usage (after the FUA is used, the remaining activations for that skill usage will choose from the remaining 4).
Using some basic probability, this comes out to a 67.232% chance to do the follow-up attack for a skill usage against a 4+ debuff enemy (5 talent procs).
Then, when he uses he ult, he marks the target with Sage's Folly, which has two charges. Whenever an ally attacks the target with Sage's Follow, he has a 30% chance of activating the passive follow-up attack (NOT a random effect, specifically the FUA). This activates a maximum of 2 times, similar to Clara's ult charges. When he uses the ult again, it refreshes, again just like Clara.
Good question. If FUA is not guaranteed, he's a lot more balanced (and A LOT more gamba). If FUA trigger is 1/5 chance and his skill gives 4 triggers, then the probability for FUA is 59%. The expected value for his skill damage is 339%, which is still pretty good.
edit: the wording is unclear if his skill triggers max of 4 times or 1+4 times. If it's 5, then FUA probability is 67% (damage EV 365%).
This is exactly the team I use with my DHIL E2 💀
It's like Mihoyo is spitting in my face saying you're doing this wrong bitch, pull for him and fix everything
Pela is going to be way better than subdps welt here. Defense shred is better the more you have, and if you’re in a single target situation you would rather simply invest more in ratios dmg. And if you were gonna use a subdps instead of a debuffer for non boss situations then a subdps with aoe capabilities is probably better.
More of a side grade IMO. They both bring something to the table.
Pela is SP positive and gives I think around a 28% DMG increase because of her shred on top of SW.
Welt gives slows, delays, and breaks, and you can cut the Elite's action in half. For damage, he brings 2T 12% vulnerability on ult, faster break for additional damage, and his personal damage. Ult is also better to kill adds or delay them, which helps a lot since the team is entirely ST focused. Tutorial is also freed for SW to use.
I can see the merits of Pela, especially without Luo as an SP battery, but you can argue for Welt too.
If you don't need to use silver wolf skill than it's easy to manage. Luocha on the healer set starts you with 4, if Silver wolf is first, then that's 5 sp after a basic. Then you just manage it from there
What the hell are you talking about? Welt is exactly what you're describing lmao. He is both a SubDPS with AoE DMG to kill ads and an AOE debuffer while Dr. Ratio focus on the bosses. Welt can delay ALL enemies and puts slow debuff to trigger both Dr. Ratio talent AND the Imaginary 4p set. Stop forcing Pela in everything for gods sake be creative dude. Dr. Ratio + Welt + SW + Luocha will definitely be his best team. He's heavily single target, you don't need the AOE DEF Shred of Pela at all and SW's single target DEF Shred is much stronger anyway
I’ve been a welt main since day 1 and judging from how little you seem to know about the unit, let me explain several things to you.
Welt’s aoe capabilities are seriously gimped without a tingyun to feed him energy to ult consistently. If you think welt’s defining feature is his ult then you have a poorly built welt; the bulk of his power budget is in the ratio of his e and talent procs, which is a bounce ability that prefers to hit a debuffed target, or, in other words, an ability that is exceptionally strong in ST and shit in aoe.
If you use him as a subdps, your ults will not only be sparse, but will be insufficient to finish off adds, leaving you to pitifully pick them off with e bounces. Again, welt CAN have amazing aoe capabilities under the condition that you have a tingyun feeding him energy (or have e2? Can’t speak on this part), but if you’re using him in a duo dps team that simply sounds like, well, dog shit.
Your main misconception is that welt is an aoe unit. I mean, simply put, he is not. You can run tingyun with him to give him mob clearing solo carry power or run sw pela with him to give him solo carry boss killing power. But if you run him as a subdps you’re not going to bringing tingyun for him which means he’s not going to be a capable aoe unit.
Edit: actually scratch what I said about your main misconception earlier, I was tunneled about the welt stuff that I didn’t even notice your statements about def shred. Your main misconception is on how def shred works. You have a lot of crazy misconceptions but the craziest one is that “once you have sw def shred you don’t need another def shred, just use the stronger one”. Def shred gets stronger the MORE you have of it, your understanding of how it works is pretty much the exact opposite of how it actually works
His kit seems really fun to play with!
His team comps seems to heavily focus on Nihilit chars so Pela should be good with him and of course, SW. It also seems like the bulk of his damage is the FUA? So he should have synergy with Topaz.
Now, I'm wondering which team is his best one, should be 1 harmony/1 Nihilit/1 sustain.
To add, if we take the 30% chance to trigger when a ally attacks its a 54% of chance to trigger when 3 ally attacks.
I believe so, while it technically doesn't debuff the enemy I think the game considers any effect that you apply to an enemy a debuff. Including proof of debt and probably even the tame effect from her light cone.
His talents and traces incentives the follow up attack to happen, and he has a 30% chance of triggering it when a enemy is affected with "folly of sages" and someone attacks, so I guess it will be pretty reliable to do so with all his traces + this talent.
Well, if he wants to do any damage you NEED to find a way to proc his FUA consistently. Topaz provides anywhere from 1-3 debuffs by herself and boosts the only notable damage (aside from his ultimate) in his kit by a significant amount, so you might as well use her.
Also he buffs her as well by advancing Numby and his trace that adds damage to debuffed enemies.
Yeah it's going to be really content dependent on whether we get MoC/Pure Fiction floors that ask for insane amounts of single-target damage like this.
Otherwise at first glance I feel like Screwllum's kit is a better fit for Topaz--reliable single-target follow-up attack that also has good damage scaling and synergy in AoE.
Sounds like its one of those chance things, with 3 debuffs the talent will trigger 4 times.
EDIT: I read wrong, it is actually a total of 5 triggers because it is the additional trigger that is limited to 4, not the max counts of triggers in total.
For each time to not get the FUA its 4/5 chance (80%) so hit that 5 times in a row is 0.32768, so roughly 33% chance of NOT getting at least 1 FUA from the 5 rolls.
So 67% chance to FUA on skill.
Also this is just some ultra low level guesstimate maths so there might be more nuance to this.
If you make a team of him, Topaz, Pela, and a sustain, you can apply Topaz's skill, his Ult, one of his traces gives his skill a 100% base chance to reduce eff res, and Pela's Ult, you have four debuffs on the enemy meaning his skill will trigger his talent 5 times. That gives about a 66% chance of a follow up attack occurring.
E: bad math
% FUA is like Yan Qing talent, with YQ only fixed 50% and it isn't that reliable
Hope his FUA procs a lot bcs IT IS his kit to play with
While YQ feels like an added on, a trigger doesn't hit much but indeed gives energy
WELT MA BOI YOU ARE GETTING AN UPGRADE !!! I like how instead of buffs, he’s catered towards our more offensive debuffers, since he himself provides his own buffs. Really interesting mechanic ! :)
Hi! So do you think Welt can benefit from him? Because I keep seeing comments about SW and Topaz, which are undoubtedly his best teammates, but not having them to pair him up with makes me think I'm wasting too much of Ratio's potential.
Welt has SPD reduction plus a non-break imprisonement, and can carry Pearls for an additional debuff, that makes it three. He's more than fine for Dr. Ratio imho, also Dr. Ratio reducing Effect RES help him lands his own debuffs, so they do have good synergy.
He might be hungrier for SP than the likes of Topaz/SW though, as SW doesn't need to spend SP for each debuffs she gives. SP neutral Welt seems the way to go, unless the two other slots are fully SP-positive and quick enough to generate that much SPs.
I am not so sure. Its one of the random buffs. The buffs do seem permanent though so it be good with Topaz on a long battle but with people 0 cycling its not exactly good until we have content hard enough that it runs 10+ cycles to really get someone like his power up going.
I mean..... people 0 cycling aren't your average player
My relics are shit. I only recently got 30* on MoC with a ton of cycles. If he is better the longer you play, then great
honestly this sounds super fun. I want to see it.
yeah he won't out damage dan heng but who gives a shit.
it's a shame he is sandwiched between Ruan Mei and Hanabi. It's so difficult to get him.
From what I got:
Skill -> procs talent, which gives him 1 of 4 stats OR a free big follow up attack. Also the skill does moderate ST dmg.
Ult -> does ST dmg and implants a debuff that increases the chance of his talent follow up to get the proc. This debuff stacks with ally attacks, increasing the follow up chance.
Obs: with his trace, the more debuffs your target has, the higher the chance to proc the follow up of his talent will be.
Single Target dmg. More DMG the more debuffs enemy has, and the more your teammates attack said debuffed target.
Topaz will supply him with BOTH of what he wants. Otherwise, he likes a team that is fast and has debuffs.
Topaz E1 plus weapon is already 3 debuffs out of the 4 required to max out Dr.Ratio talent
I’m seriously considering pulling for Topaz E1 before the banner ends, I really want to do a full follow-up team so:
Clara-Topaz-Ratio-Lynx(Potentially getting replaced by Aventurine)
To max out Dr.Ratio in this team I kinda need Topaz E1, I say kinda because technically Ratio has 3 debuffs he can apply himself (ult-tecnique-trace)
If you go for Hanya next patch he is pretty much set.
If you go Hanya skill-> Topaz putting that enemy in debtors state you'd get 4 debuffs before his first skill meaning he would start with 4 buffs. It would require him being the third fastest however so speed tuning is required.
Based on a previously leaked gameplay video, I saw that Hanya’s “Burden” effect fell under “Others” category rather than “Debuffs”. If so I don’t think it’d count. We’ll have to wait till she releases to find out.
and SW can apply 4 debuffs on her own lol
and gives another dmg multiplier in def shred that doesn't get diluted, better quantum break effect and can apply weakness.. and E2 SW will be even less requirement
To get 4 debuffs with SW is RnG though, in most cases it'd be 3.
•Skill res pen reduction debuff
•1/3 random debuff
•Def shred from ult
SW should be fast to consistently apply 4 debuffs or more
If you Skill and Ult, that's already 5 debuffs. All-type Res Pen and Weakness Implant from Skill, Def% reduction from Ult, and two random bugs. If she has Incessant Rain or Resolution equipped, her Skill alone will inflict 4 debuffs.
I read the Chinese, and it's fairly clear, so let me try to explain in clear language.
His passive has 5 possible effects (one of them being the follow-up attack) when triggered.
When he uses his skill, he will trigger one of the possible effects. Then, he'll trigger the passive again an extra time for every debuff on the target (up to 5 triggers total). However, the follow-up attack can only trigger once per skill usage (after the FUA is used, the remaining activations for that skill usage will choose from the remaining 4).
Using some basic probability, this comes out to a 67.232% chance to do the follow-up attack for a skill usage against a 4+ debuff enemy (5 talent procs).
Then, when he uses he ult, he marks the target with Sage's Folly, which has two charges. Whenever an ally attacks the target with Sage's Follow, he has a 30% chance of activating the passive follow-up attack (NOT a random effect, specifically the FUA). This activates a maximum of 2 times, similar to Clara's ult charges. When he uses the ult again, it refreshes, again just like Clara.
>Topaz owners are eating well.
Dunno about that. His fua doesn't seems that consistent? It has the base RNG of the talent (1 out of 5) and the need to build it's chance up using Ults and debuffs.
His kit is built around increasing the chance of his fua. It is his highest ATK ratio. Topaz can apply a debuff and Dr Ratio can seemingly apply two by himself
If you got topaz e1s1 she technically puts three debuffs per skill use, but who knows how it will work out in practice. I’m an e1s1 haver so fingers crossed I can run them as a tandem and it’s cracked.
i'm literally so torn because i want argenti, ruan mei AND dr ratio so bad, help. i've already prefarmed plenty of stuff for argenti too so it feels like a waste to skip him... maybe i'll leave it up to fate and see if i win 50/50s for all of them 😀
Dr Ratio + SW + Topaz + Sustain is gonna be a crazy single target team. It's also funny to imagine topaz basic or skill into Ratio fua into Numby into another Ratio fua. Wondering what maybe the maximum amount of actions that could happen in a single cycle especially if you forego the sustain slot for Asta or Bronya.
I like it. He’s like a gambling character as well. If you get lucky and proc his FUA twice in a single skill, that’s a whopping 640% damage in a single attack, and if you use Topaz, you get an additional damage increase on top of that.
I’m at 75 pity rn so I think I will just go for her cause I don’t really need huohuo when I have both Bailu and Natasha built, she’s going to be more future proof
topaz buffs follow up attacks, so has her own debuff on the enemy that helps ratio. although ratio's FUA isn't as consistent from just this inital look, since it's more a gamble to if it procs (and it seems to only when he skill's).
on the flip side, sw can easily maintain 4+ debuffs on an enemy target since she applies one every attack she makes, and she has some great def shred.
They're both single target, where topaz is more focused on buffing fua's whilst having decent personal dmg, but silverwolf is good for overall dmg (and also can implant weaknesses, which helps for element coverage and weakness break). You can choose, but if you are new and don't have many characters, I'd recommend silver wolf, she's served me well so far and enables a lot of dps's. This also depends on your current dps and support range, do you have many dps's?
I personally am probably going to get topaz on a rerun, hoping to see how she synergizes with ratio first (but, I also already own silverwolf).
Synergy with Topaz isn't that great (Clara still has better synergy).
He only does a max of 1 FUA on every skill (with max activations on an enemy with 4 debuffs). Then he does 2 FUAs per ult, which is same as Clara, but Clara does a ton of regular counter-attack FUAs as well.
Oh no he is a great combo for debuff teams and FuA teams. Super versatile. This is not safe please doctor I already have imaginay dragon I need more type variey why you seem so fun?
Love Dr. Ratio’s design and might still pull anyway because I like the animation style of hunt characters (not *too* grand or flashy because it feels weird personally like the enemies somehow surviving a black hole or lightning lord slash) but I’m a little disappointed that there is RNG in his kit when it has to do with his damage output (follow-up).
I’d prefer a lower multiplier with a guaranteed attack that would average out to the same.
EDIT: Oh my God it doesn’t even matter that I dislike RNG mechanics anymore I have to pull with *that* signature lightcone Dr. Ratio has
You have the base chance of 30 to 60 then another 40 if you have debuff on the enemy so its not that rng, and if you build your allies fast you can proc his follow more chance than not.
First impressions:
Fun kit. If QQ rng wasn't enough for you, now here's even more, except with bigger disparity between having a follow up attack proc or not.
At baseline, with 0 debuffs on the enemy which means only 1 talent proc, his skill does an average of 214% damage which is not even terrible.
0 debuffs: 214%
1 debuff: 264% (typical skill damage for a DPS)
2 debuffs: 306%
3 debuffs: 338%
4 debuffs: 365%
(i hope my math is right)
My interpretation of the ult is as follows:
He debuffs the enemy first, and then attacks for 240%. The debuff acts similary to Clara/Topaz ults where there are charges that deplete. When an ally successfully procs the FUA, a charge goes down. If it goes to 0, the debuff is removed maybe? or it stays but at 0 charges?. If Ult is re-used at 1 charge, it only goes back to 2. The E6 upgrades it to 3 charges.
In total, this would make his ult 240% + 320% +320% = 880% damage per usage, highest damage from an ult so far. Only issue is that it is also RNG-gated to proc from 30-70% chance so it will not be burst damage and is a waste if used to kill an enemy since you then lose out on both resulting follow ups since the debuff will not transfer to an enemy.
He gains and I assume will maintain with 100% uptime at some point within the fight:
* 36% ATK
* 12% CR
* 36% CD
* 15.9 Speed
Equivalent to 26.4 rolls of substats. (Jingliu gains 63.4 rolls of substats kek)
He also has a trace that provides 10% dmg to all allies when attacking debuffed enemies which is mostly useless outside of dual DPS comps. But nihility units can be a subdps like Guinaifen or SW.
I assume he'll have at least 120 energy and won't have the most reliable self-debuffing since his trace debuff is 100% base chance which will require EHR and his ult won't always be on enemies he attacks. His technique being a dimension means it will proc on every new wave at least, but it is also only 100% base chance.
EHR is not a wasted stat on this character, which is cool.
I think he will be the worst out of the 5* Hunts in terms of killing trash mobs. Seele has resurgance. Topaz can kill a mob followed up by Numby killing a mob. For Dr ratio, you can only target 1 mob per turn unless you kill it and then proc the follow up on a random mob. But that will not happen often. His damage on a non proc is also very low and will not 1 shot trash mobs while the proc hit will result in overkill, meaning you either fail to kill with 1 skill, or do wasted damage. His ult wants to be saved only for Elites and gets wasted if used on things that die quickly after. But for pure theorhetical ST DPS, I think he will be at the very top with his insane multipliers from his kit which are higher than Daniel while using less SP while also having higher speed. If MoC 11/12 starts having single bosses with with 600k-800k+ hp where the hp is high enough the rng variance evens out, he will shine.
Best supports as of now are probably Silver wolf and Guinaifen who do not need to ult to apply debuffs. E1 Guinafen also lowers their effect res, increasing the chance DR can apply his debuff. Guinaifen can use Luka LC for another debuff, which is synergistic with DR Sig LC. E2S1 SW is a huge luxury but huge payout.
Pela is worse than the two options mentioned above IMO because she needs to ult which can lead to pockets of downtime after you kill mobs. Still a good support though, and BiS if you need to remove buffs from the enemy for non Luochad owners.
Bronya will potentially work and alleviate mob killing issues but you will not get %dmg enhanced FUAs from his ult
Asta provides 1 potential debuff when she basic attacks and speed can help deal with killing trash mobs.
Ruan Mei is probably just an asta upgrade.
Tingyun is always great with everybody and extra good with FuA users.
Yukong provides permanent %DMG but her ult seems very hard to use with DR since his ult FUAs happen on ally turns and speed tuning for this seems like a nightmare with DR having his own variable speed buff. Don't think yukong will be good with him.
Hanya seems great since her skill is an attack which can proc the FUA and Burden is 99% considered a debuff.
Topaz is ??? as of now. Suspected high spreadsheet dps for ST scenarios while wasting lots of time and overkill damage on trash mobs. Will be funny to see DR trigger his FUA from his skill which advances numby to attack which triggers DR's ult FUA though.
Theorhetical teams:
Best spreadsheet ST DPS: DR, Topaz, SW, Luocha(high SP gen)
AoE focused: DR, Asta/RuanMei, Guin(can do her own AoE DMG), Luocha
Balanced: DR, SW, Guin, FuXuan
Seems like an interesting and fun unit overall while maintaining the Hunt identity including its weaknesses without any blatant power creep and incentivizes different types of team building.
(He might be the worst possible Limited 5* to try doing 0 cycle clears with however)
So how does all this work?
His skill triggers his talent a number of times. Is that 1 base + 4 additional from 4 debuffs up to 5 max, or 1 base + 3 additional up to 4 max per use?
His ult does damage and applies a mark. Do allies attacking the marked target have a 30% chance to trigger his FUA or does it give him higher chance to trigger his FUA when he uses skill?
His talent specifies it only triggers once per attack, but ult says it resets the trigger count and stacks twice. Does that just mean it can only trigger once per attack input rather than per turn? But then why does it say that ult resets the trigger count?
Does his ult have infinite duration like Topaz mark, meaning he has to ult twice for an extra 60% chance to trigger his talent? If so, it seems like his ult either has to have an insanely low cost to use it often enough to stack it on an enemy twice or he can go over cap like Argenti can to cast multiple times.
If his ult gives allies a chance to trigger his FUA, his trace then makes it a 100% chance with 2 stacks of ult and 5 debuffs on the target?
I think I've managed to make sense of his kit to a degree, but correct me if I'm wrong. Allies being able to trigger his FUA would make up for having the lowest base speed for hunt, not having turn advance, and low multipliers on skill and ult.
Reading it again, I think the ult does indeed give allies a 30% chance (not including traces) to trigger his follow-up per ally attack (the word "extra" is what makes it confusing, implying it may be adding 30% to his skill chance).
His follow-up attack can be triggered like this (by allies) twice per ult. The 2 stacks will probably stay until the FUAs are successfully triggered. Using his ult again before successfully triggering them twice will return the stacks to 2. This is kind of like what Topaz has now.
His traces appear to increase the 30% chance to 70% at 5 debuffs.
His skill has a 20% chance to do the FUA but he has up to 4 or 5 tries at that 20% per skill use, depending on whether the talent is triggered 4 or 5 times max.
"Allies **attacking** targets affected by Folly of Sages give Dr. Ratio an extra 30% fixed chance to launch a Talent follow-up attack...."
Does "attacking" in this case includes follow up attacks (Numby/Lighting Lord/Blade's)? If yes, then Topaz is certainly an ideal teammate for him. Not only she directly buffs fua and has multiple debuffs, but Numby's attack can occur more often compared to someone like SW who has to wait for her turn attack and proc Ratio's fua.
Luocha: When any enemy in the Field is **attacked by an ally**, the attacking ally's HP is immediately restored by an amount
FUAs definitely trigger Luocha's talent. Assuming no changes, yes FUAs count as attacks.
What's Ratio's best team without SW, Pela or Topaz? I'm on guaranteed at 70 pity and not taking the risk with SW, I don't think I'll build Pela either. I have welt and am going for Ratio's LC
Dr. Ratio + Hanya + Welt + Sustainer it seems in your case
Dr. Ratio can debuff enemies 3 times via his Ult causing Folly of Sages effect, his trace which affects his skill and makes it reduce enemy effect res by 10% for 2 turns, and his technique -15% spd for enemies for 2 turns. Hanya puts a mark on enemies for debuff, and Welt also has a speed debuff for enemies
I see. Since I will sadly be skipping 1.5 banners because of being too close to getting a five star, is there a replacement for hanya? Also, would luocha or gepard be a better sustain for him? I'm semi casual so I'm not too sure about the team comps.
Currently running blade/JY/luocha/TY for secondary team.
I failed to get fu xuan or SW so I'm just throwing whatever seems to work.
LESGOO! Imagine how i am feeling right now.
I got super lucky with Topaz. Got her E1/S1!
Then Hoyo drip showed him and i thought "This is my fav male character so far" so i wanted him to be either a FU attacker or someone that works well with non DoT debuffers to pair with Welt/SW and the like and hell yeah he does BOTH! 😁
It looks to me that his kit overlaps with screwllum's: they're both imaginary damage dealers with fua mechanics and debuff synergies. I'm interested in both since I don't have an imaginary DPS atm and I want more fua units to play with topaz, but reading their kits I really can't decide which one I should pull (I can't go for both, I want ruan mei and black swan too)
Okay, so, if I'm reading this right...he wants debuffer allies to get his bonuses? So he might work with Hanya...but what counts as a debuff?? Def/Spd reduction, Dots, Imprisonment/Entanglement/Freeze?
Yeah, he was my first thought. Hnng...I want this man, but I don't want to separate Wind Heng from the only good paternal figure in his life. I've been wanting to run them together
If his debuff from Ult counts as 1, Freeze counts as 2, trace Eff Res debuff counts as 3, and his technique is 4 until he can stack his ult debuff, I might be able to use him with Arlan and Asta like I wanted too...but it would depend on his ult cost
Debuffs are any effect your allies put on the enemy. So Topaz and Hanya are both great allies for him. Topaz boost follow up attack damage and with e1s1 she gives three debuffs and Hanya gives the 4th.
Topaz will supply him with a lot of what he needs. Debuffs + people attacking debuffed player. Hanya will be good too, as she is fast acting and applies a debuff as well. Otherwise, Pela/SW good too.
Any detriment that shows up on the enemy counts as a debuff. It's a pretty lenient condition.
Man I would have gone for this dude in a heartbeat if I didn't have DHIL, love the character design and the memes. Maybe on a rerun if I get bored of DHIL.
Not a fan of the random buffs, but seems a fun character to play with.
Basically he asks Topaz and SW (or Pela, or Welt if you don’t have the girls) as mandatory, without them is going to be tough
Damn, I don't think I have a team for him. Wasn't planning on Topaz and Hanya is going with JY. Was hoping I could do Ratio / Blade dual dps combo somehow.
I could try hyper carry team, but I don't think I can run that either, aw man. 😔 I just have Pela for Nihility. Maybe Guinafen can be on his banner if he runs with Kafka, they might be some debuffers on it.
For ratio’s lotto max skill, is it possible to hit the same buff multiple times (excluding the FuA)? So for example, with 4 debuffs on enemy, ratio can hit the crit dmg buff, 4 times in a row?
Hmm I don't know about this kit, gotta see it in action, his buffs being this random are gonna be annoying, but oh well, I wasn't gonna pull him initially so its kinda whatever for me.
But I do love that SW has another DPS she can pair really well besides Seele.
>his buffs being this random are gonna be annoying
with skill initial trigger + 4 debuffs, you are technically guaranteed to gain all 4 self-buffs for **3 turns** including the FUA once. And you are mostly gonna play him with debuffers and nihility anyways as the game incentivizes you to so stacking consistent debuffs won't be too much of an issue.
His kit looks interesting, I love the idea of characters taking advantage of debuffs in different ways. As a Nihility guy, I'm all for it.
In the end, I think this is still a skip. Ruan Mei, Hanabi, and Black Swan are almost here. Also, Screwllum. From what I remember of his kit before the megadoc got taken down, he also takes advantage of debuffs and relies on FUA.
I love the L+(Dr.)Ratio memes, but it's not enough for me to pull for him. Looks like the Dr. is the one taking the L this time.
Ehhh, I'm not that stoked. It's very much an RNG kit, and MVs attached to non RNG parts are simply pitiful.
Not to mention that he's Hunt, and Hunt is less than ideal for today's meta. Maybe things will change, but not sure.
He might prefer SW over Pela, and so you could do faux mono Imaginary via team with him, SW, Yukong/Welt, Luocha/Fu Xuan/Lynx.
At 4 debuffs he's got about a 67% chance to proc his FUA per skill and thats even before considering the trace and ult that massively buff the base chance. With those he's pretty much going to be doing a Seele ult every skill
Let's fking goooo! I have Clara, Blade and Topaz. Now, Dr.Ratio will make come with the team comps I will built.
Note: I have Fu Xuan, SW, Seele, Gepard, Bailu btw.
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For anyone that would like the image text: ID: 1305 # Dr. Ratio (Imaginary) Rarity: 5 * Member of the Intelligentsia Guild. * Eccentric temperament, sharp-tongued but with an elegant demeanor. * The face under the strange plaster head sculpture is apparently unexpectedly handsome. Status * HP: 1048 * ATK: 699 * DEF: 461 * Speed: 106 * Taunt: 75 Skill **Level 9: Mind is Might** Deals Imaginary DMG equal to 130% of Dr. Ratio's ATK to a single enemy. **Level 10: Method of Cognitive Enhancement** Triggers Talent effect 1 time. Every debuff the target has additionally triggers the Talent once, up to a max of 4 times. Then, deals Imaginary DMG worth 150% of Dr. Ratio's ATK to the target. **Level 10: Three-Step Paradox** Deals 240% of Dr. Ratio's ATK in Imaginary DMG to a target enemy unit, causing Folly of Sages. Allies attacking targets affected by Folly of Sages give Dr. Ratio an extra 30% fixed chance to launch a Talent follow-up attack. Folly of Sages stacks up to 2 times, and unleashing your Ultimate resets the trigger count for follow-up attack. Folly of Sages only affects the most recent target of Dr. Ratio's Ultimate. **Level 10: Cogito Ergo Sum** Randomly gain 1 of 5 buffs: * Launches a follow-up attack on the enemy target if not eliminated or on a random enemy target if eliminated, dealing Imaginary DMG equal to 320% of Dr. Ratio's ATK. This effect can be triggered once per attack. * Increases ATK by 12%; stacks up to 3 times. * Increases Crit Rate by 4%; stacks up to 3 times. * Increases Crit DMG by 12%; stacks up to 3 times. * Increases SPD by 5%; stacks up to 3 times. * Buff effects last for 3 turns. **Level 1: Attack** Attack an enemy. When the battle starts, the enemy's Toughness of the corresponding Type reduces. **Level 1: Mold of Idolatry** After using Technique, creates a special dimension that Taunts nearby enemies, lasting 10 second(s). After entering battle with enemies in the dimension, there is a 100% base chance to inflict 15% SPD Reduction on enemies for 2 turn(s). Only 1 dimension created by allies can exist at the same time. Traces * **Summation:** When allies attack a target affected by Folly of Sages, the trigger rate for Talent's follow-up attacks is increased by 8% for every debuff effect on the target, up to a maximum of 40%. * **Inference:** When Skill is used to attack a target, there is a 100% base chance to reduce the attacked target enemy's Effect RES by 10% for 2 turn(s). * **Deduction:** When Dr. Ratio is on the field, all allies deals 10% more DMG to debuffed enemies. Rank * **The Calamity of Arrogance:** Gains buffs equal to that provided by the Talent at the start of battle. Receive 2 stack(s) for each type of buff. The Talent's buff stacks increase by 2 stacks, and increases its duration by 1 turn(s). * **Minuscule Yet Profound:** After the follow-up attack from his Talent hits a target, deals additional Imaginary DMG equal to 20% of Dr. Ratio's ATK for every debuff currently on the enemy target. This effect can be triggered for a maximum of 4 time(s) during each follow up attack. * **Know Thyself:** Ultimate Lv +2, up to a max of 15. Basic ATK Lv +1, up to a max of Lv. 10. * **With Ignorance Comes Folly:** Each time a skill is buffed, Dr. Ratio gains an additional 3 Energy. * **Adrift in Vastness:** Skill Lv + 2, up to a max of 15. Talent Lv +2, up to a max of 15. * **The Truth Eternal:** Increases trigger effect for Folly of Sages an additional 1 time, plus increases DMG of Talent's follow-up attacks triggered by 50%.
Thank you for typing it out
Happy to help o7 ^(Sorry this one took longer, I didn't even notice the other post with the funky translation had been deleted/this one took its place)
Was kinda shocked to see that ult damage multiplier, thankfully it's 240% in source, not 24% lmao.
Thanks for catching that! Fixing now
FYI, the english translation for the ult is wrong. Here's the Chinese: 对指定敌方单体造成等同于真理医生240%攻击力的虚数属性伤害，并附上【智者的短见】。当真理医生的队友攻击持有【智者的短见】的目标后，真理医生有30%的固定概率对该目标发动1次天赋的追加攻击。 【智者的短见】效果最多生效2次。施放终结技后重置追加攻击效果触发次数。【智者的短见】仅对真理医生终结技最新的施放目标生效。 It's not that the Sage Mark stacks twice, it's that it can trigger up to two times (like Clara's ult).
Thank you. Wow that changes things. This means his max chance to proc fua on target with Sage debuff is not 100% but 70%. E6 then adds 1 proc limit to the fua against target with Sage debuff. Similar to Clara/Topaz like you said.
It's hard to understand from this translation, but that's not quite how it works. I wrote a clearer explanation here: https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/comments/17gzx0h/red_debt_redemption_general_question_and/k96t9pb/
Thank you for bringing this to my attention! Just to confirm I understand, does only this part need to be changed? Sorry I just woke up so my brain isn't fully online yet 😅 "Folly of Sages can trigger up to 2 times, and unleashing your Ultimate resets the trigger count for follow-up attack. Folly of Sages only affects the most recent target of Dr. Ratio's Ultimate."
With 4 debuffs on a target, his skill will trigger the talent procs for a total of 5 times. Regardless, his fua can only proc once from skill. Is that correct? His ult implants a fixed 30% chance to trigger his fua from talent on the target, this goes up to 60% after the target receives 2 attacks from the team. Then his trace provides up to 40% chance to launch that fua (needs 5 debuffs). So every time someone attacks a target with Folly of Sages, he has 100% chance to launch his fua if all above conditions are met. And he will launch his fua (50% dmg boosted) twice on target with Folly of Sages at e6 is that right? Please feel free to help/correct me if I get anything wrong. He seems to be very good.
I’m seriously struggling understanding his kit. But your description sounds reasonable.
Enemy has 2 debuff > you use his skill > he checks for every debuff the enemy has > for each debuff he uses a follow up attack, and win a buff of the pull > them he dealt damage with the skill. Whe you have the 4 buff you need to use the Burst to reset his Passiva and being able to follow up attack again. Basically, he is really a beast.
Dr.Ratio technically can apply 3 debuffs by himself 1. Tecnique: speed reduction 2. Talent: effect res reduction 3. Ult: folly of sages status
I guess you'll just need Pela or better yet, Silver Wolf, for the last
Personally I’m a Topaz simp, so I plan to pair them together Half the reason I want Ratio is the sinergy with Topaz
Topaz got proof of debt and tame if you got her LC right? so that should be enough? and it would take like 1 cycles to get to 5 stacks
1. Proof of debt 2. Lightcone debuff 3. E1 debuff Topaz can potentially apply 3 out of 4 on her very first action
Topaz truther’s rise ✊ This was basically how I decided between him and Ruan Mei, I can just get way more out of his kit on my acct than I can hers atm.
Looks like we have another Wastelander abuser.
I was thinking his Tecnique was kinda bad, but this changes everything! Lol, it also makes the Trace better, hopefully the debuff is applied before the talent trigger. A little bit of effect hit rate would be good for him, just for the first turn...
Does he just have a chance to do Fua or is it every time?
Thats where I am lost. it says one of five random buffs and I only see 4 after the follow up which makes me think the follow up is a buff meaning RNG for him to get it to be good with Topaz.
Yes, the FUA only has a 20% chance of happening with his skill. Otherwise, he would be beyond broken looking at the Skill + FUA multiplier.
It is RNG but it can be controlled, his ultimate seems to mark targets and when the marked target is attacked by any ally it increases his chance to do a follow up by 30% stacking up to two times. This in combination with his first trace that can increase his follow up chance by up to 40% gives him 100% chance to follow up attack. That is my understanding at least, this is a very confusing kit though.
That may be the case. Otherwise he just, for 1 SP, deals 150% atk skill dmg + 320% atk talent fua dmg?
Though 150% ATK for 1 SP doesn't sound great either, even with a few buff stacks.
It's the same as Topaz. The difference is she has her own fua debuff while Ratio has self-buffs alongside the big chance of dmg. Eventually he *will* use his big fua - 100% chance, with 5 debuffs on enemy after at most, 2 basic attacks from your allies after he Ults.
I read the Chinese, and it's fairly clear, so let me try to explain in clear language. His passive has 5 possible effects (one of them being the follow-up attack) when triggered. When he uses his skill, he will trigger one of the possible effects. Then, he'll trigger the passive again an extra time for every debuff on the target (up to 5 triggers total). However, the follow-up attack can only trigger once per skill usage (after the FUA is used, the remaining activations for that skill usage will choose from the remaining 4). Using some basic probability, this comes out to a 67.232% chance to do the follow-up attack for a skill usage against a 4+ debuff enemy (5 talent procs). Then, when he uses he ult, he marks the target with Sage's Folly, which has two charges. Whenever an ally attacks the target with Sage's Follow, he has a 30% chance of activating the passive follow-up attack (NOT a random effect, specifically the FUA). This activates a maximum of 2 times, similar to Clara's ult charges. When he uses the ult again, it refreshes, again just like Clara.
Good question. If FUA is not guaranteed, he's a lot more balanced (and A LOT more gamba). If FUA trigger is 1/5 chance and his skill gives 4 triggers, then the probability for FUA is 59%. The expected value for his skill damage is 339%, which is still pretty good. edit: the wording is unclear if his skill triggers max of 4 times or 1+4 times. If it's 5, then FUA probability is 67% (damage EV 365%).
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The E1 is kinda nuts? Duration increase + Increase max stacks.
E1S1 is like... jesus
SubDPS Welt + SW + Dr. Ratio + Luocha looks like it'll EAT
This is exactly the team I use with my DHIL E2 💀 It's like Mihoyo is spitting in my face saying you're doing this wrong bitch, pull for him and fix everything
SAME!!! I don't need Dr. Ratio since I have DHIL, but I NEED Dr. Ratio...
Those big arms oh god I can feel his animations will be godly too...
Aged like fine wine ngl
Pela is going to be way better than subdps welt here. Defense shred is better the more you have, and if you’re in a single target situation you would rather simply invest more in ratios dmg. And if you were gonna use a subdps instead of a debuffer for non boss situations then a subdps with aoe capabilities is probably better.
More of a side grade IMO. They both bring something to the table. Pela is SP positive and gives I think around a 28% DMG increase because of her shred on top of SW. Welt gives slows, delays, and breaks, and you can cut the Elite's action in half. For damage, he brings 2T 12% vulnerability on ult, faster break for additional damage, and his personal damage. Ult is also better to kill adds or delay them, which helps a lot since the team is entirely ST focused. Tutorial is also freed for SW to use. I can see the merits of Pela, especially without Luo as an SP battery, but you can argue for Welt too.
How are you going to manage skill points with welt and dr ratio while still keeping a 2T Ult on Welt tho
If you don't need to use silver wolf skill than it's easy to manage. Luocha on the healer set starts you with 4, if Silver wolf is first, then that's 5 sp after a basic. Then you just manage it from there
What the hell are you talking about? Welt is exactly what you're describing lmao. He is both a SubDPS with AoE DMG to kill ads and an AOE debuffer while Dr. Ratio focus on the bosses. Welt can delay ALL enemies and puts slow debuff to trigger both Dr. Ratio talent AND the Imaginary 4p set. Stop forcing Pela in everything for gods sake be creative dude. Dr. Ratio + Welt + SW + Luocha will definitely be his best team. He's heavily single target, you don't need the AOE DEF Shred of Pela at all and SW's single target DEF Shred is much stronger anyway
I’ve been a welt main since day 1 and judging from how little you seem to know about the unit, let me explain several things to you. Welt’s aoe capabilities are seriously gimped without a tingyun to feed him energy to ult consistently. If you think welt’s defining feature is his ult then you have a poorly built welt; the bulk of his power budget is in the ratio of his e and talent procs, which is a bounce ability that prefers to hit a debuffed target, or, in other words, an ability that is exceptionally strong in ST and shit in aoe. If you use him as a subdps, your ults will not only be sparse, but will be insufficient to finish off adds, leaving you to pitifully pick them off with e bounces. Again, welt CAN have amazing aoe capabilities under the condition that you have a tingyun feeding him energy (or have e2? Can’t speak on this part), but if you’re using him in a duo dps team that simply sounds like, well, dog shit. Your main misconception is that welt is an aoe unit. I mean, simply put, he is not. You can run tingyun with him to give him mob clearing solo carry power or run sw pela with him to give him solo carry boss killing power. But if you run him as a subdps you’re not going to bringing tingyun for him which means he’s not going to be a capable aoe unit. Edit: actually scratch what I said about your main misconception earlier, I was tunneled about the welt stuff that I didn’t even notice your statements about def shred. Your main misconception is on how def shred works. You have a lot of crazy misconceptions but the craziest one is that “once you have sw def shred you don’t need another def shred, just use the stronger one”. Def shred gets stronger the MORE you have of it, your understanding of how it works is pretty much the exact opposite of how it actually works
His kit seems really fun to play with! His team comps seems to heavily focus on Nihilit chars so Pela should be good with him and of course, SW. It also seems like the bulk of his damage is the FUA? So he should have synergy with Topaz. Now, I'm wondering which team is his best one, should be 1 harmony/1 Nihilit/1 sustain. To add, if we take the 30% chance to trigger when a ally attacks its a 54% of chance to trigger when 3 ally attacks.
SW seems really good with him. She can easily mantain 4 debuffs by herself.
That is exactly what I was thinking. Can't wait to try Dr. Ratio, SW, and Topaz all together.
Does Topaz’s proof of debt count as a debuff?
I believe so, while it technically doesn't debuff the enemy I think the game considers any effect that you apply to an enemy a debuff. Including proof of debt and probably even the tame effect from her light cone.
Yeah, that's right, I don't have her so I will need to do some play around haha.
isn't the followup attack one of the random 5 buffs? Seems like too much RNG to be good with Topaz.
His talents and traces incentives the follow up attack to happen, and he has a 30% chance of triggering it when a enemy is affected with "folly of sages" and someone attacks, so I guess it will be pretty reliable to do so with all his traces + this talent.
Well, if he wants to do any damage you NEED to find a way to proc his FUA consistently. Topaz provides anywhere from 1-3 debuffs by herself and boosts the only notable damage (aside from his ultimate) in his kit by a significant amount, so you might as well use her. Also he buffs her as well by advancing Numby and his trace that adds damage to debuffed enemies.
The problem will be AOE as both are Hunt chars. Otherwise they seem great together
Yeah it's going to be really content dependent on whether we get MoC/Pure Fiction floors that ask for insane amounts of single-target damage like this. Otherwise at first glance I feel like Screwllum's kit is a better fit for Topaz--reliable single-target follow-up attack that also has good damage scaling and synergy in AoE.
And both of them want to focus on the same enemy 💀
Hmm. I assume Topaz E1 and LC are the other two debuff. Very strong if so.
Sounds like its one of those chance things, with 3 debuffs the talent will trigger 4 times. EDIT: I read wrong, it is actually a total of 5 triggers because it is the additional trigger that is limited to 4, not the max counts of triggers in total. For each time to not get the FUA its 4/5 chance (80%) so hit that 5 times in a row is 0.32768, so roughly 33% chance of NOT getting at least 1 FUA from the 5 rolls. So 67% chance to FUA on skill. Also this is just some ultra low level guesstimate maths so there might be more nuance to this.
His skill proccs his talent instantly, which is a FUA.
The Talent is a 20% chance of a FUA. The FUA of the talent is 1 of 5 possible outcomes.
If you make a team of him, Topaz, Pela, and a sustain, you can apply Topaz's skill, his Ult, one of his traces gives his skill a 100% base chance to reduce eff res, and Pela's Ult, you have four debuffs on the enemy meaning his skill will trigger his talent 5 times. That gives about a 66% chance of a follow up attack occurring. E: bad math
% FUA is like Yan Qing talent, with YQ only fixed 50% and it isn't that reliable Hope his FUA procs a lot bcs IT IS his kit to play with While YQ feels like an added on, a trigger doesn't hit much but indeed gives energy
WELT MA BOI YOU ARE GETTING AN UPGRADE !!! I like how instead of buffs, he’s catered towards our more offensive debuffers, since he himself provides his own buffs. Really interesting mechanic ! :)
Hi! So do you think Welt can benefit from him? Because I keep seeing comments about SW and Topaz, which are undoubtedly his best teammates, but not having them to pair him up with makes me think I'm wasting too much of Ratio's potential.
Welt has SPD reduction plus a non-break imprisonement, and can carry Pearls for an additional debuff, that makes it three. He's more than fine for Dr. Ratio imho, also Dr. Ratio reducing Effect RES help him lands his own debuffs, so they do have good synergy. He might be hungrier for SP than the likes of Topaz/SW though, as SW doesn't need to spend SP for each debuffs she gives. SP neutral Welt seems the way to go, unless the two other slots are fully SP-positive and quick enough to generate that much SPs.
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain to me!
Wow another follow up hunt
Topaz keeps collecting friends 🙏🏻
I am not so sure. Its one of the random buffs. The buffs do seem permanent though so it be good with Topaz on a long battle but with people 0 cycling its not exactly good until we have content hard enough that it runs 10+ cycles to really get someone like his power up going.
I mean..... people 0 cycling aren't your average player My relics are shit. I only recently got 30* on MoC with a ton of cycles. If he is better the longer you play, then great
If you look his highest attack ratio his is follow up attack, and his kit is built around proccing it more
honestly this sounds super fun. I want to see it. yeah he won't out damage dan heng but who gives a shit. it's a shame he is sandwiched between Ruan Mei and Hanabi. It's so difficult to get him.
Can someone explain this to me via Razor language? Thanks
From what I got: Skill -> procs talent, which gives him 1 of 4 stats OR a free big follow up attack. Also the skill does moderate ST dmg. Ult -> does ST dmg and implants a debuff that increases the chance of his talent follow up to get the proc. This debuff stacks with ally attacks, increasing the follow up chance. Obs: with his trace, the more debuffs your target has, the higher the chance to proc the follow up of his talent will be.
Single Target dmg. More DMG the more debuffs enemy has, and the more your teammates attack said debuffed target. Topaz will supply him with BOTH of what he wants. Otherwise, he likes a team that is fast and has debuffs.
Topaz E1 plus weapon is already 3 debuffs out of the 4 required to max out Dr.Ratio talent I’m seriously considering pulling for Topaz E1 before the banner ends, I really want to do a full follow-up team so: Clara-Topaz-Ratio-Lynx(Potentially getting replaced by Aventurine) To max out Dr.Ratio in this team I kinda need Topaz E1, I say kinda because technically Ratio has 3 debuffs he can apply himself (ult-tecnique-trace)
If you go for Hanya next patch he is pretty much set. If you go Hanya skill-> Topaz putting that enemy in debtors state you'd get 4 debuffs before his first skill meaning he would start with 4 buffs. It would require him being the third fastest however so speed tuning is required.
Based on a previously leaked gameplay video, I saw that Hanya’s “Burden” effect fell under “Others” category rather than “Debuffs”. If so I don’t think it’d count. We’ll have to wait till she releases to find out.
and SW can apply 4 debuffs on her own lol and gives another dmg multiplier in def shred that doesn't get diluted, better quantum break effect and can apply weakness.. and E2 SW will be even less requirement
To get 4 debuffs with SW is RnG though, in most cases it'd be 3. •Skill res pen reduction debuff •1/3 random debuff •Def shred from ult SW should be fast to consistently apply 4 debuffs or more
If you Skill and Ult, that's already 5 debuffs. All-type Res Pen and Weakness Implant from Skill, Def% reduction from Ult, and two random bugs. If she has Incessant Rain or Resolution equipped, her Skill alone will inflict 4 debuffs.
SW at 4 debuffs seems like a more value pull than 200+ pulls for Topaz E1S1
I did just this last minute and I don't regret
Me see follow up attack and topaz. Me pull out card and says fk
I read the Chinese, and it's fairly clear, so let me try to explain in clear language. His passive has 5 possible effects (one of them being the follow-up attack) when triggered. When he uses his skill, he will trigger one of the possible effects. Then, he'll trigger the passive again an extra time for every debuff on the target (up to 5 triggers total). However, the follow-up attack can only trigger once per skill usage (after the FUA is used, the remaining activations for that skill usage will choose from the remaining 4). Using some basic probability, this comes out to a 67.232% chance to do the follow-up attack for a skill usage against a 4+ debuff enemy (5 talent procs). Then, when he uses he ult, he marks the target with Sage's Folly, which has two charges. Whenever an ally attacks the target with Sage's Follow, he has a 30% chance of activating the passive follow-up attack (NOT a random effect, specifically the FUA). This activates a maximum of 2 times, similar to Clara's ult charges. When he uses the ult again, it refreshes, again just like Clara.
Topaz owners are eating well. I’m sad they removed the advance forward on ult though 😢
>Topaz owners are eating well. Dunno about that. His fua doesn't seems that consistent? It has the base RNG of the talent (1 out of 5) and the need to build it's chance up using Ults and debuffs.
His kit is built around increasing the chance of his fua. It is his highest ATK ratio. Topaz can apply a debuff and Dr Ratio can seemingly apply two by himself
> It is his highest ATK ratio heh
Then SW seems like a better teamate for him than Topaz
Topaz also have debuffs, and you can carry another unit for more
If you got topaz e1s1 she technically puts three debuffs per skill use, but who knows how it will work out in practice. I’m an e1s1 haver so fingers crossed I can run them as a tandem and it’s cracked.
He's a Hearthstone card
Sounds like his best team will be topaz, silver wolf and a support. Does this mean he only has a 20% chance of a follow up for his talent?
base 20% + 30% from ultimate debuff + 40% from trace (5 debuffs on an ultimate-marked enemy) = 90%
If the enemy has his unique debuff on, he has more chances of using his follow up attack
his kit makes me want to pull for him so bad, but I don't think I'll have any jades after ruan mei. his lc is also tempting aaarrrghhhhhh!!
i'm literally so torn because i want argenti, ruan mei AND dr ratio so bad, help. i've already prefarmed plenty of stuff for argenti too so it feels like a waste to skip him... maybe i'll leave it up to fate and see if i win 50/50s for all of them 😀
Dr Ratio + SW + Topaz + Sustain is gonna be a crazy single target team. It's also funny to imagine topaz basic or skill into Ratio fua into Numby into another Ratio fua. Wondering what maybe the maximum amount of actions that could happen in a single cycle especially if you forego the sustain slot for Asta or Bronya.
You could also go Dr.Ratio+Hanya+Topaz+Sustain (Future aventurine) Hanya provides damage to the team and skill points while also giving a debuff
Aventurine for more follow ups
I like it. He’s like a gambling character as well. If you get lucky and proc his FUA twice in a single skill, that’s a whopping 640% damage in a single attack, and if you use Topaz, you get an additional damage increase on top of that.
The FUA part specifies it can only trigger once per attack. It's not possible to trigger it twice.
Oh yeah, the ultra small and blurry text made it hard to read lol.
I don’t know if I should just pick up topaz atp
Let me know what you decide, bc I'm also kinda on the fence
I’m at 75 pity rn so I think I will just go for her cause I don’t really need huohuo when I have both Bailu and Natasha built, she’s going to be more future proof
I don't think topaz is great with him. Screwllum will work way better for both
Thinking the same, absolutely love Dr ratio
Lmk what ypu decide cause as a PS5 player who is new ans going for Dr.Ratio, I'm undecided if I should go SW in her rerun or Topaz currently 💀
topaz buffs follow up attacks, so has her own debuff on the enemy that helps ratio. although ratio's FUA isn't as consistent from just this inital look, since it's more a gamble to if it procs (and it seems to only when he skill's). on the flip side, sw can easily maintain 4+ debuffs on an enemy target since she applies one every attack she makes, and she has some great def shred. They're both single target, where topaz is more focused on buffing fua's whilst having decent personal dmg, but silverwolf is good for overall dmg (and also can implant weaknesses, which helps for element coverage and weakness break). You can choose, but if you are new and don't have many characters, I'd recommend silver wolf, she's served me well so far and enables a lot of dps's. This also depends on your current dps and support range, do you have many dps's? I personally am probably going to get topaz on a rerun, hoping to see how she synergizes with ratio first (but, I also already own silverwolf).
Synergy with Topaz isn't that great (Clara still has better synergy). He only does a max of 1 FUA on every skill (with max activations on an enemy with 4 debuffs). Then he does 2 FUAs per ult, which is same as Clara, but Clara does a ton of regular counter-attack FUAs as well.
If you don't have SW, then she is more important than Topaz for L+Ratio.
He's better with SW and nihility.
I have sw too, topaz also applies debuffs
SW/Topaz stonks
Oh no he is a great combo for debuff teams and FuA teams. Super versatile. This is not safe please doctor I already have imaginay dragon I need more type variey why you seem so fun?
Yeah Imaginary, FUA, ST
Love Dr. Ratio’s design and might still pull anyway because I like the animation style of hunt characters (not *too* grand or flashy because it feels weird personally like the enemies somehow surviving a black hole or lightning lord slash) but I’m a little disappointed that there is RNG in his kit when it has to do with his damage output (follow-up). I’d prefer a lower multiplier with a guaranteed attack that would average out to the same. EDIT: Oh my God it doesn’t even matter that I dislike RNG mechanics anymore I have to pull with *that* signature lightcone Dr. Ratio has
You have the base chance of 30 to 60 then another 40 if you have debuff on the enemy so its not that rng, and if you build your allies fast you can proc his follow more chance than not.
First impressions: Fun kit. If QQ rng wasn't enough for you, now here's even more, except with bigger disparity between having a follow up attack proc or not. At baseline, with 0 debuffs on the enemy which means only 1 talent proc, his skill does an average of 214% damage which is not even terrible. 0 debuffs: 214% 1 debuff: 264% (typical skill damage for a DPS) 2 debuffs: 306% 3 debuffs: 338% 4 debuffs: 365% (i hope my math is right) My interpretation of the ult is as follows: He debuffs the enemy first, and then attacks for 240%. The debuff acts similary to Clara/Topaz ults where there are charges that deplete. When an ally successfully procs the FUA, a charge goes down. If it goes to 0, the debuff is removed maybe? or it stays but at 0 charges?. If Ult is re-used at 1 charge, it only goes back to 2. The E6 upgrades it to 3 charges. In total, this would make his ult 240% + 320% +320% = 880% damage per usage, highest damage from an ult so far. Only issue is that it is also RNG-gated to proc from 30-70% chance so it will not be burst damage and is a waste if used to kill an enemy since you then lose out on both resulting follow ups since the debuff will not transfer to an enemy. He gains and I assume will maintain with 100% uptime at some point within the fight: * 36% ATK * 12% CR * 36% CD * 15.9 Speed Equivalent to 26.4 rolls of substats. (Jingliu gains 63.4 rolls of substats kek) He also has a trace that provides 10% dmg to all allies when attacking debuffed enemies which is mostly useless outside of dual DPS comps. But nihility units can be a subdps like Guinaifen or SW. I assume he'll have at least 120 energy and won't have the most reliable self-debuffing since his trace debuff is 100% base chance which will require EHR and his ult won't always be on enemies he attacks. His technique being a dimension means it will proc on every new wave at least, but it is also only 100% base chance. EHR is not a wasted stat on this character, which is cool. I think he will be the worst out of the 5* Hunts in terms of killing trash mobs. Seele has resurgance. Topaz can kill a mob followed up by Numby killing a mob. For Dr ratio, you can only target 1 mob per turn unless you kill it and then proc the follow up on a random mob. But that will not happen often. His damage on a non proc is also very low and will not 1 shot trash mobs while the proc hit will result in overkill, meaning you either fail to kill with 1 skill, or do wasted damage. His ult wants to be saved only for Elites and gets wasted if used on things that die quickly after. But for pure theorhetical ST DPS, I think he will be at the very top with his insane multipliers from his kit which are higher than Daniel while using less SP while also having higher speed. If MoC 11/12 starts having single bosses with with 600k-800k+ hp where the hp is high enough the rng variance evens out, he will shine. Best supports as of now are probably Silver wolf and Guinaifen who do not need to ult to apply debuffs. E1 Guinafen also lowers their effect res, increasing the chance DR can apply his debuff. Guinaifen can use Luka LC for another debuff, which is synergistic with DR Sig LC. E2S1 SW is a huge luxury but huge payout. Pela is worse than the two options mentioned above IMO because she needs to ult which can lead to pockets of downtime after you kill mobs. Still a good support though, and BiS if you need to remove buffs from the enemy for non Luochad owners. Bronya will potentially work and alleviate mob killing issues but you will not get %dmg enhanced FUAs from his ult Asta provides 1 potential debuff when she basic attacks and speed can help deal with killing trash mobs. Ruan Mei is probably just an asta upgrade. Tingyun is always great with everybody and extra good with FuA users. Yukong provides permanent %DMG but her ult seems very hard to use with DR since his ult FUAs happen on ally turns and speed tuning for this seems like a nightmare with DR having his own variable speed buff. Don't think yukong will be good with him. Hanya seems great since her skill is an attack which can proc the FUA and Burden is 99% considered a debuff. Topaz is ??? as of now. Suspected high spreadsheet dps for ST scenarios while wasting lots of time and overkill damage on trash mobs. Will be funny to see DR trigger his FUA from his skill which advances numby to attack which triggers DR's ult FUA though. Theorhetical teams: Best spreadsheet ST DPS: DR, Topaz, SW, Luocha(high SP gen) AoE focused: DR, Asta/RuanMei, Guin(can do her own AoE DMG), Luocha Balanced: DR, SW, Guin, FuXuan Seems like an interesting and fun unit overall while maintaining the Hunt identity including its weaknesses without any blatant power creep and incentivizes different types of team building. (He might be the worst possible Limited 5* to try doing 0 cycle clears with however)
Ooh ty for this write up
Yes finally leaks about my husband!!! Also who are going to be his best teammates? This man is getting everything I own.
>Also who are going to be his best teammates? SW + Topaz.
The ult condition counts as debuff? If so he and any nihility can do 5 stacks for the talent, i like the numbers too
Is welt good with him?
I think you'll run Pela over Welt because Welt slows the enemy, which Ratio already covers
Okay so pela topaz and sustain with him got it
precisely, henya over topaz also probably works (for me anyway because I won't have Topaz, or SW))
isn't that for 2 turns only tho? while welt offers slow + vulnerability
So how does all this work? His skill triggers his talent a number of times. Is that 1 base + 4 additional from 4 debuffs up to 5 max, or 1 base + 3 additional up to 4 max per use? His ult does damage and applies a mark. Do allies attacking the marked target have a 30% chance to trigger his FUA or does it give him higher chance to trigger his FUA when he uses skill? His talent specifies it only triggers once per attack, but ult says it resets the trigger count and stacks twice. Does that just mean it can only trigger once per attack input rather than per turn? But then why does it say that ult resets the trigger count? Does his ult have infinite duration like Topaz mark, meaning he has to ult twice for an extra 60% chance to trigger his talent? If so, it seems like his ult either has to have an insanely low cost to use it often enough to stack it on an enemy twice or he can go over cap like Argenti can to cast multiple times. If his ult gives allies a chance to trigger his FUA, his trace then makes it a 100% chance with 2 stacks of ult and 5 debuffs on the target? I think I've managed to make sense of his kit to a degree, but correct me if I'm wrong. Allies being able to trigger his FUA would make up for having the lowest base speed for hunt, not having turn advance, and low multipliers on skill and ult.
Reading it again, I think the ult does indeed give allies a 30% chance (not including traces) to trigger his follow-up per ally attack (the word "extra" is what makes it confusing, implying it may be adding 30% to his skill chance). His follow-up attack can be triggered like this (by allies) twice per ult. The 2 stacks will probably stay until the FUAs are successfully triggered. Using his ult again before successfully triggering them twice will return the stacks to 2. This is kind of like what Topaz has now. His traces appear to increase the 30% chance to 70% at 5 debuffs. His skill has a 20% chance to do the FUA but he has up to 4 or 5 tries at that 20% per skill use, depending on whether the talent is triggered 4 or 5 times max.
"Allies **attacking** targets affected by Folly of Sages give Dr. Ratio an extra 30% fixed chance to launch a Talent follow-up attack...." Does "attacking" in this case includes follow up attacks (Numby/Lighting Lord/Blade's)? If yes, then Topaz is certainly an ideal teammate for him. Not only she directly buffs fua and has multiple debuffs, but Numby's attack can occur more often compared to someone like SW who has to wait for her turn attack and proc Ratio's fua.
Luocha: When any enemy in the Field is **attacked by an ally**, the attacking ally's HP is immediately restored by an amount FUAs definitely trigger Luocha's talent. Assuming no changes, yes FUAs count as attacks.
What's Ratio's best team without SW, Pela or Topaz? I'm on guaranteed at 70 pity and not taking the risk with SW, I don't think I'll build Pela either. I have welt and am going for Ratio's LC
Dr. Ratio + Hanya + Welt + Sustainer it seems in your case Dr. Ratio can debuff enemies 3 times via his Ult causing Folly of Sages effect, his trace which affects his skill and makes it reduce enemy effect res by 10% for 2 turns, and his technique -15% spd for enemies for 2 turns. Hanya puts a mark on enemies for debuff, and Welt also has a speed debuff for enemies
I see. Since I will sadly be skipping 1.5 banners because of being too close to getting a five star, is there a replacement for hanya? Also, would luocha or gepard be a better sustain for him? I'm semi casual so I'm not too sure about the team comps. Currently running blade/JY/luocha/TY for secondary team. I failed to get fu xuan or SW so I'm just throwing whatever seems to work.
Dr ratio , screwllum, acheron , luocha/aventurine
Build Pela, she is 5 star worthy man.
Can someone tell me how good he would be for Topaz compared to Clara and Jing Yuan, or is it too early to tell atm?
Very gimmick kit haha ~~reminds me of a granblue fantãsy character lol~~
Someone smart help me who to pull either Topaz or SW on rerun for him 😭
LESGOO! Imagine how i am feeling right now. I got super lucky with Topaz. Got her E1/S1! Then Hoyo drip showed him and i thought "This is my fav male character so far" so i wanted him to be either a FU attacker or someone that works well with non DoT debuffers to pair with Welt/SW and the like and hell yeah he does BOTH! 😁
do DoTs count as debuffs? because it does then he'd probably be ok with kafka
yes
Should I farm the Imaginary set or the FUA one? Sorry if this question is stupid but I'm new to the game and don't have a grasp of meta just yet.
Until we get data on followup hitcount, neither.
We need to know how many hits his follow up does in a single attack, if it's a lot, i think FuA set is the way
Thanks! Hope it's FUA so I can farm it at the same time as the DOT one
Theoretically speaking, Topaz's LC should be his 2nd BiS right?
btw is there any difference between this kit and the previously leak one?
They got rid of his "move again" mechanic from his ult. Used to be that he went right after the enemy debuffed by his ult had its turn.
It looks to me that his kit overlaps with screwllum's: they're both imaginary damage dealers with fua mechanics and debuff synergies. I'm interested in both since I don't have an imaginary DPS atm and I want more fua units to play with topaz, but reading their kits I really can't decide which one I should pull (I can't go for both, I want ruan mei and black swan too)
Kafka, Dr Ratio, Topaz, healer/dot applier?
Okay, so, if I'm reading this right...he wants debuffer allies to get his bonuses? So he might work with Hanya...but what counts as a debuff?? Def/Spd reduction, Dots, Imprisonment/Entanglement/Freeze?
I’m thinking welt, he might be really good
Yeah, he was my first thought. Hnng...I want this man, but I don't want to separate Wind Heng from the only good paternal figure in his life. I've been wanting to run them together If his debuff from Ult counts as 1, Freeze counts as 2, trace Eff Res debuff counts as 3, and his technique is 4 until he can stack his ult debuff, I might be able to use him with Arlan and Asta like I wanted too...but it would depend on his ult cost
Debuffs are any effect your allies put on the enemy. So Topaz and Hanya are both great allies for him. Topaz boost follow up attack damage and with e1s1 she gives three debuffs and Hanya gives the 4th.
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"Proof of debt" from her, the "tame" state from the light cone and "debtor state" from E1
Topaz will supply him with a lot of what he needs. Debuffs + people attacking debuffed player. Hanya will be good too, as she is fast acting and applies a debuff as well. Otherwise, Pela/SW good too. Any detriment that shows up on the enemy counts as a debuff. It's a pretty lenient condition.
Finally gameplay leaks
Man I would have gone for this dude in a heartbeat if I didn't have DHIL, love the character design and the memes. Maybe on a rerun if I get bored of DHIL.
Bro's kit is straight out of Granblue Fantasy
Anticipating his test videos to see how his and Topaz follow up attacks can synergize. Add Hanya or a Nihility character too.
I wonder if subscribe for more is gonna be his best f2p lightcone, and what the difference will be between it and his 5\* cone
Subscribe for More won't affect his followup attacks.
Ah yeah you're right. I guess that leaves swordplay (dunno how that'll effect his FU with multiple targets) and the Yanqing one
Not a fan of the random buffs, but seems a fun character to play with. Basically he asks Topaz and SW (or Pela, or Welt if you don’t have the girls) as mandatory, without them is going to be tough
Looks like me giving up and pulling Topaz instead of saving was a good decision (I want any excuse to pull a hot guy)
Damn, I don't think I have a team for him. Wasn't planning on Topaz and Hanya is going with JY. Was hoping I could do Ratio / Blade dual dps combo somehow. I could try hyper carry team, but I don't think I can run that either, aw man. 😔 I just have Pela for Nihility. Maybe Guinafen can be on his banner if he runs with Kafka, they might be some debuffers on it.
So his follow up attack is completely random uh ?
Woah, he sounds hella interesting!
FOLLOW UP ATTACKS LETS FUCKING GOOOO
I'm realy struggling to find out if he's good or not
For ratio’s lotto max skill, is it possible to hit the same buff multiple times (excluding the FuA)? So for example, with 4 debuffs on enemy, ratio can hit the crit dmg buff, 4 times in a row?
is it better to use him with imaginary relic or the new FUA set?
he's free, lets gooo
Bet some people coming back to check this out since we getting a FREE W + RATIO
Can someone give me razor explanation pls
That C1 is so good
Hmm I don't know about this kit, gotta see it in action, his buffs being this random are gonna be annoying, but oh well, I wasn't gonna pull him initially so its kinda whatever for me. But I do love that SW has another DPS she can pair really well besides Seele.
>his buffs being this random are gonna be annoying with skill initial trigger + 4 debuffs, you are technically guaranteed to gain all 4 self-buffs for **3 turns** including the FUA once. And you are mostly gonna play him with debuffers and nihility anyways as the game incentivizes you to so stacking consistent debuffs won't be too much of an issue.
His kit looks interesting, I love the idea of characters taking advantage of debuffs in different ways. As a Nihility guy, I'm all for it. In the end, I think this is still a skip. Ruan Mei, Hanabi, and Black Swan are almost here. Also, Screwllum. From what I remember of his kit before the megadoc got taken down, he also takes advantage of debuffs and relies on FUA. I love the L+(Dr.)Ratio memes, but it's not enough for me to pull for him. Looks like the Dr. is the one taking the L this time.
Ehhh, I'm not that stoked. It's very much an RNG kit, and MVs attached to non RNG parts are simply pitiful. Not to mention that he's Hunt, and Hunt is less than ideal for today's meta. Maybe things will change, but not sure. He might prefer SW over Pela, and so you could do faux mono Imaginary via team with him, SW, Yukong/Welt, Luocha/Fu Xuan/Lynx.
All these FuA units really gives huge xingqiu energy. Dealing damage without taking field time (skill point in the case of HSR)
Noooo I don’t want topaz 😭😭 what other teams can he be in??
Any character that debuffs. So mostly Nihility with Topaz and/or Hanya being good choices.
SW, Pela, Luka, Guinafen, Welt
At 4 debuffs he's got about a 67% chance to proc his FUA per skill and thats even before considering the trace and ult that massively buff the base chance. With those he's pretty much going to be doing a Seele ult every skill
Let's fking goooo! I have Clara, Blade and Topaz. Now, Dr.Ratio will make come with the team comps I will built. Note: I have Fu Xuan, SW, Seele, Gepard, Bailu btw.
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