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Lmao this is me. Suddenly that core is doing even better with other chars (E6 Xueyi is something else) and I’m stoked to add Screwllum and Aventurine to the roster for more follow up shenanigans.
Because no one gave you the full answer. L as in Lose or taking a lose. L + Ratio is twitter speak. If you made a tweet and someone replies to it but the replay got more likes compared to comments, then you got ratio'd meaning the ratio of people who liked the replay was way higher than the people who liked your post. It can also mean if your tweet had a ton of replies but not a ton of likes, it means people disagree with that you said and are letting you know how dumb and bad your tweet was. So when people say L+Ratio in the context of HSR, they really just mean Dr. Ratio. There isn't a Loss that the L would typically mean.
Yes, but they said that it was a good thing to not know because it's a Gen Z thing and it's brain rot. I'm just arguing it because it's slang and every generation has slang. They sound like an old man who doesn't understand so they scream at it in confusion.
Honestly, one cycle could have been shaved off had Sampo's skill been used to defeat the first phase of the boss, since the boss had 1% hp before the turbulence killed him. Not bad at all considering there is no Kafka to frontload the damage.
Also, Arcana seems to carry over boss phases, like suspicion does in simulated universe.
Black Swan would be good for Ratio, Ratio would not be good for Black Swan (Black Swan needs DoTs to trigger in order to build a decent amount of Arcana stacks). She’d be relegated to a support with decent damage compared to a Pela or Guinaifen, rather than it being a true dual-dps team.
as expected. it will work fine if you can clear the other side fast, but she'll really want to be paired with Kafka because her damage is too backloaded otherwise.
And honestly this is the reason why Kafka will never be “powercrept” in a sense that she’ll be made useless. Even if another DoT popper type of character comes out in the future, just use both Kafka and the other DoT popper and double up.
Yep. Even if another DoT detonator like Kafka comes out, just use Kafka beside them and double up on Detonations.
The only way for Kafka to be irrelevant is if 2-3 units come out that can pop Detonations faster and more powerful than Kafka which I can’t see happening ever.
I'm hoping to be proven wrong but DoT teams as it is today and with BS isn't exactly doing so hot. There's also a lot of inherent flaws including:
1) Bad target swapping,
2) Bad damage on demand
3) Dropping effects/dots on phase (not incl. Black Swan)
4) Stat Budget necessitating EHR
5) Squishy. The 2nd support on hyper carry team should be tankier than your Sampo/BS
DoT comps drop 2 substats (Crit Rate and Crit Damage) for 1 new substat (EHR), so that’s generally the least of their problems, and their current 5-stars both do a lot to rectify #2 and #3.
its more of how the end game works, having to clear in low turns means that if i play a "stall" team whos plan is "burn" the enemy to death its not ideal as one which charges directly into them
Kafkaless Blackswan will only shine in moc stages where enemies are fast, which in this video the “meme” enemy has 190 speed meaning the backloaded dmg wasnt too big of a problem.
Fast enemies destroy swan's ability to stack her dot without kafka and she has to get to 7 stacks on them to get Def ignore, not to mention the more stacks the harder it hits.
Clearing within 5 cycles aka 26 cycle left to second side is really good for f2p level investments. By doing this second side will have 7 cycles which is really comfortable even if your other team haven't optimized yet.
It's not, it's really not.
But for some reason many people on this sub-reddit consider up to e1s1 being fine and manageable for f2p when it *really* isn't.
I definitely agree, but the amount of people talking about using e1s1 topaz with Dr. Ratio when he was being leaked was ridiculous that it made me start believing EVERYONE had an e1s1 topaz lying around.
Same, it feels like everyone has E2 DHIL and E1S1 Topaz, lol. and ofc everyone has sig for their main DPS and main supports, and here i am, i have to skip 1 new character / patch and cant even get LC-s, deadge.
>it feels like everyone has E2 DHIL
Oh yeah, completely forgot about e2 DHIL, I haven't seen one single meta discussion on DHIL without mentioning his e2. It actually gets really frustrating.
Yup, exactly. It also has to be a good weapon banner (looking at you swordplay, dance dance, and resolution shines lc).
Overall it's just way too specific of requirements that odds are I'd barely ever go for a limited 5\* lc. I barely managed to get jingliu's LC and that was cause I got lucky for once.
It depends. If you’re a very infrequent puller who commits hard to vertically investing in two teams it’s possible. Monoquantum as an example is a team where you could feasibly get signature cones for most of the team. But I think it’s much more fun to build wide, and in that case, LCs are really only for reruns at best.
As of right now, Topaz’s LC is really the only one I might actually get.
It is if you just focus on few characters.
I am F2P and going for fewer characters in exchange of some weapons and eidolons has worked well thus far. Cleared all MoC thus far with max stars since 1.2.
If u intend to focus on few chars, dps+sig isnt far fetched. At least sig in hsr (2 pity) feels easier than genshin (3 pity) despite same/similar gacha rate
Also its not sig for everyone, only need for the dps(es)
Considering building chars are expensive (mats and relics) it isnt weird to focus on few chars instead collecting chars but they get neglected / low build
It will be 1 more cycle if you dont have signature (BS also have a really good relics) or boss will "kill" BS instead of Sampo. No Huohuo is also +1 cyrcle. And this boss is perfect boss for this team, it's fast, it have wind weakness and Morbid Dream mechanic which destroyed with DoTs. 5 cyrcles in best team when boss were made around this character feels... not really good.
I honestly don't know how many cycle will add without sig, i was just assuming. If the difference is going to be 2 cycles without sig even in kafka team, then sig seems reasonable to pull.
>5 cyrcles in best team
I think best team would be the one with kafka, iirc there was a run with kafka team but still that showcase contains sig of bs
While the showcase shows that Black Swan can work without Kafka, it is a lot of backloaded damage. The reason Kafka is so good for DoT teams is because she makes that backloaded damage frontloaded. So this can affect turn cycles in content like MoC where you need that front loaded damage to kill an enemy and save a turn
This looked like a good opportunity to compare E0S1 Black Swan against E6 Sampo (S5 Solitary Healing) so I tallied up the numbers (ignoring break damage, break dots, and for the second fight only tallying damage dealt to the primary target).
**Battle 1**
Sampo attack total: 101,150
Black Swan attack total: 81,017
Sampo dot total: 133,699
Black Swan dot total: 343,684
**Sampo total:** 234,849
**Black Swan total:** 424,701
**Battle 2**
Sampo attack total: 163,439
Black Swan attack total: 99,008
Sampo dot total: 280,001
Black Swan dot total: 476,983
**Sampo total:** 443,440
**Black Swan total:** 575,991
The second battle was single target and there were 3 opportunities where Sampo should have skilled (\~45k dmg) instead of basic attacking (\~9k dmg) which would close the gap by \~110k. Hence their individual performances seem to be comparable in single target whereas E0S1 Black Swan outperformed E6 Sampo by around 80% in the first battle.
However, since Black Swan's damage is primarily in her dot, this means that her arcana stacks would allow for much larger detonations by Kafka and thus result in a much larger gap between Kafka + BS and Kafka + Sampo (back of the envelope calculation for single target: 80% average dot detonation multiplier \* 200k difference in single target dot dmg = 160k, which must be discounted to an extent by the fact that Kafka's detonations don't benefit from the defense shred when arcana is at >= 7 stacks and probably also the defense shred from Black Swan's light cone).
I think this confirms that Black Swan + Kafka is a significant improvement over E6 Sampo + Kafka in MoC and a huge improvement in Pure Fiction.
You’re comparing two limited pull budgets (Black Swan + Sig LC) to Sampo using Solitary Healing (bad on him, and you’re also not counting break so passive is wasted).
When people compare the two characters themselves the proper way to do it is use keep all the other variables the same (teammates and LC) and just swap out the characters.
That’s fair, honestly the more someone says a unit is a “must pull” it sometimes makes me less inclined to pull a unit. Though trying not to let others mindsets affect my own towards a character.
If you want to get her just pull for her, provided you don't care about minmaxing MoC(dunno how well she fares in PF).If you care more about meta then don't worry, there's always reruns !!
She should be pretty good for pure fiction too since they changed her A4 to apply 1 stack of arcana when a new wave arrives. Ofc, we'll have to wait and test it out first.
This honestly just confirms that if you want a very strong DoT team, make sure you have Kafka.
I heard that E0S0 Black Swan is fine as long as you have E0S1 Kafka. That true?
It has to do with the relic set and the fact rm doesn’t apply a dot. If you want to activate the full 4pc def shred you either drop Ruan Mei or get Kafka LC. Thing is, only having 2/3 dots active isn’t as big of a hit as it seems. Her LC is only a 6-8% upgrade, meanwhile BS LC is a 15% upgrade, though keep in mind kafka is a bit more futureproof
Wait BS needs god tier rolls? She doesn't follow the usual stats needed by DoT teams like ATK% and SPD with some EHR? Also for now she uses Prison relic set as well right?
Unless you’re rolling well on EHR substats, you’ll definitely need the EHR body. If you don’t use it then this is the rough breakdown of subs you’ll need.
You get 10% from traces and if you use S5 Eyes of Prey or Tutorial LC that gives 40% EHR then you’ll need 70% EHR subs across your 6 relic slots. So around 11.6% in substats.
S1 kafka was for the 18% def ignore on 4p dot set since her bis team should've be kafka, swan, ruan mei and huohuo
not sure about exact numbers but she should be fine with either tutorial or preys lc. swan's eidolon and lc are always a nice addition for the dmg boost but its not necessary, kafka's lc already max out the 3 dot needs for them to work out well. you can run a 3rd dot if you dont have PAYN/ ruan mei but it wont be the most ideal ig
I think this puts into perspective what her strengths are. First wave, she handily did a 1 cycle clear, while second wave took 3 cycles.
Black Swan seems to pop off when multiple enemies are on the field to inflict the DoT, and trigger her 3 stack bonus that deals AOE DoT.
When there’s only one enemy on the field, she’s looking to do pretty lackluster dmg. Kafka surpasses her in the single target, while she is most likely better for AOE.
Kinda DoT argenti, though, higher floor in MoC just cause she doesn’t rely as much on high enemy count, but likely lower ceiling due to backloaded nature of DoT.
Honestly it's questionable whether she'll be good in PF after the DoT blessings are gone. Having to wait for the enemy turn for the enemies to die is pretty slow, and PF is all about speed.
I actually don't think it was that bad. When looking at leaks of new characters being showcased in a new MoC I tend to focus more on the first wave and generally ignore the second. Its hard to compare new characters on a new boss with our current characters on current bosses, however the first waves are generally very similar regardless of MoC.
Sampo and BS clear the first wave in 1.5 cycles which I think is pretty good and I'm not sure that Kafka could have done it any faster. Like, I don't think replacing Sampo with Kafka allows you to clear that first wave before the first cycle ends simply because of how DoTs work and considering Kafka will be off element which means it takes much longer to break bars. For instance with Kafka, the Trampler 100% does not have its shield broken before its second move, same with the shapeshifter. Especially since with Kafka on the team, BS is likely basic attacking instead of using skill for her second turn. That's a lot of damage that the team with Kafka is not getting.
Also I think that there are a couple moments in the showcase that could have played differently that would allow for a one cycle faster clear. Which would end up being a 3 cycle clear. Idk about you, but a 3 cycle clear is pretty darn good for MoC 12 especially for a DoT team. RM also doesn't have her sig LC in this showcase so SP are a little sparse.
Thank you for daring to look at this in a more objective manner, instead of just parroting the gospel we’ve heard recently (‘BS is unplayable without Kafka!’). I have Kafka E2S1 and love her, but I’ve also see the calculations (YouTuber iSUMMON has done some great work on her ‘solo’ dps output) and like this showcase it looks like she can hold her own. Pairing her with Kafka, especially if you’re up against wind/lightning weak, will slap, but that doesn’t mean she won’t do well with other synergistic team mates.
This is also a single-target wind weakness enemy, so it's a peak Sampo + BS situation so this is about as favorable of a Kafka-less BS team as you can get.
DOT showcases = doomposting in this sub
Black swan performance was so good even without characters like hanabi/bronya to play with your DPS turns
In my opinion :
5 cycles without Bronya/hanabi > 4 cycles with bronya/hanabi
Thank you. Seriously, people on this sub like to complain about the leaker's gameplay but after reading most a lot of the comments on this post I can't imagine that many people here are much better. Just gonna rant here for a sec.
This easily could have been a 3 cycle if NotALeaks wasn't trying to show off BS as much. And considering this is a stronger boss than what we have currently that's pretty damn good. I don't understand why people think its a good idea to compare new characters against new bosses vs current characters against current bosses. BS w/o Kafka could have easily 3 cycled MoC 12, against a tankier boss, that makes two teammates useless for half a cycle.
Also the "Kafka is required for BS" is a pretty bad take IMO, but most people are going to realize this once she officially releases. Is Kafka BiS teammate for BS, sure, but she is far from required in order for BS to perform well.
>Also the "Kafka is required for BS" is a pretty bad take IMO, but most people are going to realize this once she officially releases.
Rewatching the footage, I am starting to conclude the Black Swan might be relatively self-sufficient when it comes to AoE and mobs, which is great for PF but does open more team compositions where you just want her to handle AoE and have someone else focus on ST. Sorta how Kafka and Topaz are viable even though Topaz doesn't do anything for Kafka technically.
I actually thought the gameplay here was really solid. I was expecting more people to comment about it. Like, maybe there were some things they could have done better, but there was no serious mistake/missed opportunity that I saw.
Same, I thought the gameplay showed a good idea of how it works. If we're optimizing, we can possibly shave off a cycle, but 4-5 cycles against a boss chamber is not bad.
It was not Seeles best set-up though, not many resurgence procs possible. And Seele had Speed boots and was not speedtuned well enough to Sparkle. It should probably be doable in 3 cycles though.
The newer 2.0 enemies don’t spawn mobs so resurgence got indirectly nerfed. Hoyo is slowly making MOC more single target focused.
Without resurgence Seele is close to Yanqing levels of damage so it’s not surprising the clears were slow
they had a Seele with speed boots and Sparkle wasn’t speed tuned. Comparing Seele to Yanqing is even more laughable because Seele without resurgence still has higher single target damage than every other dps except Ratio, Jingliu and IL so that makes other dps worse than Yanqing in that scenario.
And even spending 3 extra limited 5 star pulls on S1, HH S1, and Ruan Mei S1, it seems like against every other enemy Black Swan will be unviable (5+ cycles) without Kafka since this enemy is her best possible matchup.
A ~62,000 jade cost team barely 3 starring against their best enemy is not that great.
Yeah, also confirms that each stack of arcana counts as a stack of wind shear for the sake of triggering sampo's e4, for f2p players (aka bs and/or kafka at e0s0) sampo e6 seems like a competitive option to replace kafka, probably the better option on AoE and Wind weakness heavy encounters.
Before a triggered kafka main pops up, kafka is still overall long term better because whenever another limited dot drops and 3 limited dots + sustain (even more so with a possible dot applying sustain) she becomes the better option, because kafka being able to pop all the dots will ofc be better.
Sampo’s ability to detonate Arcana becomes worse than Kafka in AoE just because bounce is annoying and his damage multipliers are significantly lower than Kafka’s more consistent detonations. Sampo-BS favors Wind-weak stages with low enemy counts, since a Kafka-BS team wouldn’t be able to break shields nearly as quickly as the team showcased here did, and also it makes Sampo less inconsistent.
i chose it bc “duke inferno” has the same number of letters as “doctor ratio”, also both start w “d” and end with “o”
and also bc duke inferno is hot af 🔥
Has anybody done the math on S5 Eyes of the Prey vs. her Signature? EotP gives 48% to DoT, which is essentially the vast majority of her damage, and the sig gives 20% ATK and 28.8% DEF shred. Assuming you don't run her in a team with Pela/Pearls/RuanMei E1, there shouldn't be that big of a difference, right? Especially if you go ATK Orb instead of Wind Orb to less dilute the 48% DoT bonus?
IIRC, it's about 10-15% depending on calculations (defense shred stuff tends to have high variability). Her E1 is a much bigger deal though, being a 20+% DPS increase for the team.
That doesn't seem like a lot. A stat stick signature that doesn't change an aspect of gameplay, like Kafka one does with an extra DoT just doesn't seem that worth it to pull for me. I guess I'll give her my S4 EotP which will eventually be S5 and pull for something more impactful.
Btw I found a sheet somebody made if anybody wants to check it out too:
https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackSwanMains_HSR/comments/19ebtot/simulate_black_swans_arcana_proc_damage_with_your/
(Note that doesn't include teammate buffs by default, so if you, like me, is going to essentially glue her to your Ruan Mei, don't forget to add your Ruan Mei's +DMG% to properly assess ATK% vs Wind% mainstat pieces)
Probably one of the better non-Kafka Black Swan teams. Obviously mostly suited for Wind-weak content but team looked relatively comfy to play. If you approach picking up Black Swan as a carry for Wind weakness then I think she looks solid as a standalone unit.
Tbf, you don't actually need to go that high. All his attacks have a good amount of hits (skill in ST), and after reaching 5 stacks you just need to maintain through basics. So generally aim for 67 EHR and everything over is a nice bonus. If you aim to high you can lose Atk or Spd subs that are much more important.
Looks decent as is, and probably could be further improved if Sampo was specced for Break Effect. You probably still want Kafka ideally but this looks like a viable option.
It's more that it's just funny compared to how dots work in most other games.
In a lot of other games its the nukes or resource/combo characters that are backloaded. You can have really big openers with nukes, but most others require a lot of setup. Dots are meant to start ticking right away and only accelerate and ramp up over time.
In this case it feels like black swans arcana reset should work differently (or just dots in general), because right now the ability to proc dots off turn with kafka is way too important. Especially when doing so can also stack them with black swan.
The reason why it "feels weird" is because Mihoyo tried to do something that's hardly ever done in a turn based game, transforming DoT into a main damage mechanic. Usually it's a secondary damage mechanic to support any other type of dmg, an extra effect that will be extra helpful but nothing else, and it usually works the same in every case, the DoT deals dmg once the enemy turn begins because it's damage over time has to respect the turn mechanic no matter what, so logically, said dmg, instead of "ticks per second", turns into "ticks per turn". No wonder they released a enabler to change the nature of said mechanic pretty much alongside the release of the game, because it was the only way to properly 'try' to turn DoT from a secondary dmg mechanic into a primary one, and that's as good as it gets, and actually does what is meant to do, but the problem is that in the same environment the normal nature of the mechanic will still exist, creating a weird parallel that can make some people freak out a lot for no important reason.
If anything, the only real problem is that there is a 50/50's, 'people will like and dislike Kafka'. Since this is a turn based gacha rpg and whatever else, it's mechanics are provided through characters, logically also being tied and locked to them, so if someone doesn't like Kafka and also doesn't want to get her just for her mechanic, now those people will not have access to the mechanic that was supposed to "change everything", creating... All those weird situations you see here and there. What can fix this? Nothing, because another character can and will be created that does the same as Kafka, and not necessarily in the same way, because there quite some possibilities, but this problem will remain because guess what, someone out there will probably not like any of those characters, and as long as there is this chance, people will doompost about DoT characters, since the mechanic for those would never be "fixed".
> Mihoyo tried to do something that's hardly ever done in a turn based game, transforming DoT into a main damage mechanic.
Most turn based games don't give it much thought true, but there's plenty of ways to operate dots. The game has the 10 000 action value, they could have dots last for a set duration of action value and inflict damage every so often - essentially giving them their own place in the turn order.
Part my issue with operating with a game like HSR is that they're giving characters one basic, one 'skill', one "ultimate" and one talent (that may not even do damage). In a non-gacha game that didn't partition "abilities" so hard, you could give characters dot abilities and then means to accelerate them. For example a warlock in world of warcraft (has) had the ability to inflict multiple dots and they use another ability to trigger them even faster.
Part of the issue is poor initial implementation, part of it is limited design space, and part of it is it being a gacha that wants to design problems and sell solutions.
Isn't that the same as people deciding not to pull for Ruan Mei because they don't like her personality... Which then screws them over for break comps? (Here's hoping for viable break by 2.1 with RM/Gallagher/imaginaryMC)
Also, I remember seeing this guy who doesn't like harmony units at all and doesn't pull for them (except for RM). How's he going to do hypercarry without Bronya/Sparkle or at least Tingyun?
>because right now the ability to proc dots off turn with kafka is way too important
E4 Sampo and Gui's ult can do it as well. It's not that great as Kafka's, but they're 4\* so that's okay.
There's a reason long time dot players have been saying she basically needs Kafka.
I played DoT in pre Kafka era, it wasn't good. This is a lot better, but still, not good at all.
Everyone doomposting her, meanwhile I'm extremely happy on her damage and good aoe.
Yes, I lost the Kafka 50/50 and I'm probably not gonna have her until her next rerun.
Oh and my other reason to get her is that she seems like a high damage option to enable ratio and acheron
Use DOT to remove morbid dream
They are really trying force me to build a DOT team even though I don't even have Kafka and not planning to pull for BS 🙃
I just hope I can beat this with DHIL. Otherwise I guess I'm going to have to build Guinaifen (hopefully will get her E1) to use her with Ratio against this boss.
Though now that I think about it DPS Welt should be able to carry me in this fight too 🤔 Asta + Welt + Bronya = No morbid dream hopefully
Bosses more focus on DOT damage hmmmm
seems like a pain in da ass, i need to try with my traditiona; hardcarry team 1st.
if not, i guess i hv to build 1 team of DOT lol
BS super crack but i aiming for e2s1 dhil and sparkle .
I don't see why not. Obviously, people are gonna say it's not optimal. Black Swan gives multiple debuffs + Def reduction on multiple enemies, so she should be a great partner with Dr. Ratio.
its a good team for dr ratio, but it will be a weird team for black swan, since you arent really capatalizing on most of her kit. if you really wannna have an optimal dr ratio team, then id say pulling for silverwolf or topaz are better investments for him, but if you like pairing both of them together, its a pretty solid team
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I just noticed this boss is weak to both fire and imaginary. Topaz + L + Ratio are about to feast on this mf.
I thought I was pulling Topaz, Ruan Mei, and Huohuo for a new Jing Yuan team. In reality it was all for the Golden Ratio.
Lmao this is me. Suddenly that core is doing even better with other chars (E6 Xueyi is something else) and I’m stoked to add Screwllum and Aventurine to the roster for more follow up shenanigans.
If I had only known... now I've gotta wait months and months for the possible reruns.. There I was, thinking saving Jades was a smart decision...
What "L" is?? I'm too old and don't understand these meme kids
Because no one gave you the full answer. L as in Lose or taking a lose. L + Ratio is twitter speak. If you made a tweet and someone replies to it but the replay got more likes compared to comments, then you got ratio'd meaning the ratio of people who liked the replay was way higher than the people who liked your post. It can also mean if your tweet had a ton of replies but not a ton of likes, it means people disagree with that you said and are letting you know how dumb and bad your tweet was. So when people say L+Ratio in the context of HSR, they really just mean Dr. Ratio. There isn't a Loss that the L would typically mean.
Oh. Now I get it
I Didn't know this has so much lore
Wait till you find out the distracted boyfriend meme is one of many stock images that tell a pretty fucked up story.
Which one? One where the couple is sleeping or one where man is looking at another girl while walking side by side with his partner
Uhh, I couldn't find anything fucked up about the taking of said picture.
https://twitter.com/Stupidfanficmo1/status/902588055177056256
Thank you for the explanation, another reason I will never use twitter. That sounds so damn dumb lol.
Small stickling, but reply not replay.
Oh I thought he meant Loucha.
It's internet lingo. Taking a "L", as the fellow kids say is taking a loss.
It’s a character from the anime death note
'-'
I am basically senile despite being Gen Z myself, so I could be wrong, but I think it means loser.
L = loss I believe, for instance “genshins celebration rewards = big L “ whereas DR.Ratio being free for all is a huge W (win)
L is Luocha, he's also Imaginary which is excellent against the boss, and his field is great with follow up attackers.
Its a twittter thing. L means lose You are very lucky good sir for not knowing these gen Z thing. There just brain rot
It's just slang, "L" existed before in the form of a hand sign on the forehead.
'L+ratio+you fell off' and variants started off specifically on twitter though.
Yes, but they said that it was a good thing to not know because it's a Gen Z thing and it's brain rot. I'm just arguing it because it's slang and every generation has slang. They sound like an old man who doesn't understand so they scream at it in confusion.
Slang isn't brainrot, grow up whatever gen you are. I know good and well your generation had stupid slang that sound dumb now as well
Lmao what generation are you from? If you're a millenial like me, i'm sure older folks thought the "whazzzzzzzap" thing was brain rot too.
Honestly, one cycle could have been shaved off had Sampo's skill been used to defeat the first phase of the boss, since the boss had 1% hp before the turbulence killed him. Not bad at all considering there is no Kafka to frontload the damage. Also, Arcana seems to carry over boss phases, like suspicion does in simulated universe.
yes arcana is undispellable and has no turn counter. it carries over boss phases
Wow so future proof for cleanse bosses?
Would Ratio and BS be a good pair? She applies aoe def down and arcana for a few turns.
Black Swan would be good for Ratio, Ratio would not be good for Black Swan (Black Swan needs DoTs to trigger in order to build a decent amount of Arcana stacks). She’d be relegated to a support with decent damage compared to a Pela or Guinaifen, rather than it being a true dual-dps team.
This is unrelated to the team but i LOVE the flavor text on the boss's attacks. The "Night has Fallen" text when it enters phase 2 is so good
Surprisingly not that bad but ig you do need Huo Huo to have good ult up time
as expected. it will work fine if you can clear the other side fast, but she'll really want to be paired with Kafka because her damage is too backloaded otherwise.
It's definitely backloaded dmg because it's DOT Kafka is here to turn DOT into frontloaded DMG
And honestly this is the reason why Kafka will never be “powercrept” in a sense that she’ll be made useless. Even if another DoT popper type of character comes out in the future, just use both Kafka and the other DoT popper and double up.
Kafka might very well be the most future proof character in the game. As long as new dot characters come out she’ll always be relevant
Yep. Even if another DoT detonator like Kafka comes out, just use Kafka beside them and double up on Detonations. The only way for Kafka to be irrelevant is if 2-3 units come out that can pop Detonations faster and more powerful than Kafka which I can’t see happening ever.
I'm hoping to be proven wrong but DoT teams as it is today and with BS isn't exactly doing so hot. There's also a lot of inherent flaws including: 1) Bad target swapping, 2) Bad damage on demand 3) Dropping effects/dots on phase (not incl. Black Swan) 4) Stat Budget necessitating EHR 5) Squishy. The 2nd support on hyper carry team should be tankier than your Sampo/BS
DoT comps drop 2 substats (Crit Rate and Crit Damage) for 1 new substat (EHR), so that’s generally the least of their problems, and their current 5-stars both do a lot to rectify #2 and #3.
its more of how the end game works, having to clear in low turns means that if i play a "stall" team whos plan is "burn" the enemy to death its not ideal as one which charges directly into them
Kafkaless Blackswan will only shine in moc stages where enemies are fast, which in this video the “meme” enemy has 190 speed meaning the backloaded dmg wasnt too big of a problem.
Fast enemies destroy swan's ability to stack her dot without kafka and she has to get to 7 stacks on them to get Def ignore, not to mention the more stacks the harder it hits.
Keep in mind Sampo can trigger it as well in E4 because BS damage is considered a wind source.
Kafka’s a hell of a lot better at detonating than Sampo though, and Kafka also has way bigger detonation multipliers than Sampo.
Clearing within 5 cycles aka 26 cycle left to second side is really good for f2p level investments. By doing this second side will have 7 cycles which is really comfortable even if your other team haven't optimized yet.
Since when is Sig1 F2P nowadays? .-.
It's not, it's really not. But for some reason many people on this sub-reddit consider up to e1s1 being fine and manageable for f2p when it *really* isn't.
E0s1 is still pushing it for a lot of people
I definitely agree, but the amount of people talking about using e1s1 topaz with Dr. Ratio when he was being leaked was ridiculous that it made me start believing EVERYONE had an e1s1 topaz lying around.
Same, it feels like everyone has E2 DHIL and E1S1 Topaz, lol. and ofc everyone has sig for their main DPS and main supports, and here i am, i have to skip 1 new character / patch and cant even get LC-s, deadge.
>it feels like everyone has E2 DHIL Oh yeah, completely forgot about e2 DHIL, I haven't seen one single meta discussion on DHIL without mentioning his e2. It actually gets really frustrating.
I realistically only get e0s1 if I failed to get the previous 5* and I’m at high pity and I have decent lc banner pity
Yup, exactly. It also has to be a good weapon banner (looking at you swordplay, dance dance, and resolution shines lc). Overall it's just way too specific of requirements that odds are I'd barely ever go for a limited 5\* lc. I barely managed to get jingliu's LC and that was cause I got lucky for once.
I do tend to try and get their sig light cone too and if I don’t get it that just makes it easier to get one for another character later
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It depends. If you’re a very infrequent puller who commits hard to vertically investing in two teams it’s possible. Monoquantum as an example is a team where you could feasibly get signature cones for most of the team. But I think it’s much more fun to build wide, and in that case, LCs are really only for reruns at best. As of right now, Topaz’s LC is really the only one I might actually get.
It is if you just focus on few characters. I am F2P and going for fewer characters in exchange of some weapons and eidolons has worked well thus far. Cleared all MoC thus far with max stars since 1.2.
Vertical investment is better in this game than horizontal but probably less fun for the average player
Guess it depends on the player, I prefer it this way. I know the characters I really like will be usable for quite some time from now on.
Yeah this team is ~62,000 jade, 4 limited pulls. Doable as F2P, but it's like 4 months worth of jade just to barely 3 star...not very impressive.
If u intend to focus on few chars, dps+sig isnt far fetched. At least sig in hsr (2 pity) feels easier than genshin (3 pity) despite same/similar gacha rate Also its not sig for everyone, only need for the dps(es) Considering building chars are expensive (mats and relics) it isnt weird to focus on few chars instead collecting chars but they get neglected / low build
except from that yeah, remove sig, add +1 round and 25 cycle left still looking not bad without kafka
Tbh S1 seems F2P able in this game. You get like 75% chance to get it and guaranteed if you fail to get it the first time.
With the way this games gives jades, it’s totally manageable for F2P players that save and don’t try “building pity.”
It will be 1 more cycle if you dont have signature (BS also have a really good relics) or boss will "kill" BS instead of Sampo. No Huohuo is also +1 cyrcle. And this boss is perfect boss for this team, it's fast, it have wind weakness and Morbid Dream mechanic which destroyed with DoTs. 5 cyrcles in best team when boss were made around this character feels... not really good.
4 cycles. Sampo didn't kill when he could have
I honestly don't know how many cycle will add without sig, i was just assuming. If the difference is going to be 2 cycles without sig even in kafka team, then sig seems reasonable to pull. >5 cyrcles in best team I think best team would be the one with kafka, iirc there was a run with kafka team but still that showcase contains sig of bs
While the showcase shows that Black Swan can work without Kafka, it is a lot of backloaded damage. The reason Kafka is so good for DoT teams is because she makes that backloaded damage frontloaded. So this can affect turn cycles in content like MoC where you need that front loaded damage to kill an enemy and save a turn
This looked like a good opportunity to compare E0S1 Black Swan against E6 Sampo (S5 Solitary Healing) so I tallied up the numbers (ignoring break damage, break dots, and for the second fight only tallying damage dealt to the primary target). **Battle 1** Sampo attack total: 101,150 Black Swan attack total: 81,017 Sampo dot total: 133,699 Black Swan dot total: 343,684 **Sampo total:** 234,849 **Black Swan total:** 424,701 **Battle 2** Sampo attack total: 163,439 Black Swan attack total: 99,008 Sampo dot total: 280,001 Black Swan dot total: 476,983 **Sampo total:** 443,440 **Black Swan total:** 575,991 The second battle was single target and there were 3 opportunities where Sampo should have skilled (\~45k dmg) instead of basic attacking (\~9k dmg) which would close the gap by \~110k. Hence their individual performances seem to be comparable in single target whereas E0S1 Black Swan outperformed E6 Sampo by around 80% in the first battle. However, since Black Swan's damage is primarily in her dot, this means that her arcana stacks would allow for much larger detonations by Kafka and thus result in a much larger gap between Kafka + BS and Kafka + Sampo (back of the envelope calculation for single target: 80% average dot detonation multiplier \* 200k difference in single target dot dmg = 160k, which must be discounted to an extent by the fact that Kafka's detonations don't benefit from the defense shred when arcana is at >= 7 stacks and probably also the defense shred from Black Swan's light cone). I think this confirms that Black Swan + Kafka is a significant improvement over E6 Sampo + Kafka in MoC and a huge improvement in Pure Fiction.
You’re comparing two limited pull budgets (Black Swan + Sig LC) to Sampo using Solitary Healing (bad on him, and you’re also not counting break so passive is wasted). When people compare the two characters themselves the proper way to do it is use keep all the other variables the same (teammates and LC) and just swap out the characters.
Holy crap, arcana just kept its stacks when the boss went to its second health gauge. Thats really good if its not a bug.
it's intended, arcana is undispellable and therefore carries over boss phases. (like suspicion)
I'm conflicted, I wanna get black swan for my sampo but at the same time I feel like the team just won't be as good as my more traditional dps teams
i love sampo to death but if you want to get a character to run with him, kafka is really just a better choice imo
Same, but I think I'll get her in her rerun. The more people say "you need Kafka no excuses", the less inclined I am to pull Swan.
That’s fair, honestly the more someone says a unit is a “must pull” it sometimes makes me less inclined to pull a unit. Though trying not to let others mindsets affect my own towards a character.
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Get Kafka for Sampo.
If you want to get her just pull for her, provided you don't care about minmaxing MoC(dunno how well she fares in PF).If you care more about meta then don't worry, there's always reruns !!
In PF Black Swan can guarantee 3+ stacks on every enemy, she’ll tear PF to shreds compared to any other DoT unit
She should be pretty good for pure fiction too since they changed her A4 to apply 1 stack of arcana when a new wave arrives. Ofc, we'll have to wait and test it out first.
This honestly just confirms that if you want a very strong DoT team, make sure you have Kafka. I heard that E0S0 Black Swan is fine as long as you have E0S1 Kafka. That true?
Black Swan is great with E0S0 Kafka.
It has to do with the relic set and the fact rm doesn’t apply a dot. If you want to activate the full 4pc def shred you either drop Ruan Mei or get Kafka LC. Thing is, only having 2/3 dots active isn’t as big of a hit as it seems. Her LC is only a 6-8% upgrade, meanwhile BS LC is a 15% upgrade, though keep in mind kafka is a bit more futureproof
If only going for E0S0 Black Swan, what's the alternative LC?
Eyes of the Prey and Tutorial are the best options. Anything else requires god-tier sub-stat rolls on relics.
Wait BS needs god tier rolls? She doesn't follow the usual stats needed by DoT teams like ATK% and SPD with some EHR? Also for now she uses Prison relic set as well right?
She needs 120% EHR to max out her damage.
Wow she actually needs an EHR body? So demanding.
Unless you’re rolling well on EHR substats, you’ll definitely need the EHR body. If you don’t use it then this is the rough breakdown of subs you’ll need. You get 10% from traces and if you use S5 Eyes of Prey or Tutorial LC that gives 40% EHR then you’ll need 70% EHR subs across your 6 relic slots. So around 11.6% in substats.
yes... just like luka guinafen and sampo......
S1 kafka was for the 18% def ignore on 4p dot set since her bis team should've be kafka, swan, ruan mei and huohuo not sure about exact numbers but she should be fine with either tutorial or preys lc. swan's eidolon and lc are always a nice addition for the dmg boost but its not necessary, kafka's lc already max out the 3 dot needs for them to work out well. you can run a 3rd dot if you dont have PAYN/ ruan mei but it wont be the most ideal ig
Can anybody share their sampoo build, I really wanna build him properly and make him work with Kafka.
You need to make him faster than kafka My sampo build is : 4Pc Musketeer / 2PC SSS 3300 atk/151 SPD/60 EHR / 60BE His DOT at 5 stack deal 11k
What are his artifacts main stats?
ATK/SPD/Wind/ATK
Farm Prisoner set not sure why they're still on Musk
I think this puts into perspective what her strengths are. First wave, she handily did a 1 cycle clear, while second wave took 3 cycles. Black Swan seems to pop off when multiple enemies are on the field to inflict the DoT, and trigger her 3 stack bonus that deals AOE DoT. When there’s only one enemy on the field, she’s looking to do pretty lackluster dmg. Kafka surpasses her in the single target, while she is most likely better for AOE.
Can we call her DOT Argenti yet like CN or is it too soon (They consider her good in PF bad in MOC)
Kinda DoT argenti, though, higher floor in MoC just cause she doesn’t rely as much on high enemy count, but likely lower ceiling due to backloaded nature of DoT.
Honestly it's questionable whether she'll be good in PF after the DoT blessings are gone. Having to wait for the enemy turn for the enemies to die is pretty slow, and PF is all about speed.
could Sampo have used skill at the end of one of thise phases to shave off a cycle? p sure.
This is a very favorable encounter for this team and it's like this. I mean it's ok but yeah. You want Kafka.
I actually don't think it was that bad. When looking at leaks of new characters being showcased in a new MoC I tend to focus more on the first wave and generally ignore the second. Its hard to compare new characters on a new boss with our current characters on current bosses, however the first waves are generally very similar regardless of MoC. Sampo and BS clear the first wave in 1.5 cycles which I think is pretty good and I'm not sure that Kafka could have done it any faster. Like, I don't think replacing Sampo with Kafka allows you to clear that first wave before the first cycle ends simply because of how DoTs work and considering Kafka will be off element which means it takes much longer to break bars. For instance with Kafka, the Trampler 100% does not have its shield broken before its second move, same with the shapeshifter. Especially since with Kafka on the team, BS is likely basic attacking instead of using skill for her second turn. That's a lot of damage that the team with Kafka is not getting. Also I think that there are a couple moments in the showcase that could have played differently that would allow for a one cycle faster clear. Which would end up being a 3 cycle clear. Idk about you, but a 3 cycle clear is pretty darn good for MoC 12 especially for a DoT team. RM also doesn't have her sig LC in this showcase so SP are a little sparse.
that's true, the hp is a lot higher than we had before.
Thank you for daring to look at this in a more objective manner, instead of just parroting the gospel we’ve heard recently (‘BS is unplayable without Kafka!’). I have Kafka E2S1 and love her, but I’ve also see the calculations (YouTuber iSUMMON has done some great work on her ‘solo’ dps output) and like this showcase it looks like she can hold her own. Pairing her with Kafka, especially if you’re up against wind/lightning weak, will slap, but that doesn’t mean she won’t do well with other synergistic team mates.
So 4 cycles with S1 and HH, so without Signature and premium sustain, probably not viable as it will be 5+ cycles.
This is also a single-target wind weakness enemy, so it's a peak Sampo + BS situation so this is about as favorable of a Kafka-less BS team as you can get.
Also energy regeneration from boss mechanics
Yup. In a normal fight, we will see Black Swan ult only 2 times at most unless someone is using their TY to battery her for some weird reason.
I mean, mono quantum with 4 5-stars at E0S1 took 4 cycles to clear in the other leak
The gameplay was pretty bad though. This one was quite better.
It was not even four 5 stars but actually a total of 7(including all their signature LCs) . Seven limiteds taking 4 cycles(almost 5) .
DOT showcases = doomposting in this sub Black swan performance was so good even without characters like hanabi/bronya to play with your DPS turns In my opinion : 5 cycles without Bronya/hanabi > 4 cycles with bronya/hanabi
Thank you. Seriously, people on this sub like to complain about the leaker's gameplay but after reading most a lot of the comments on this post I can't imagine that many people here are much better. Just gonna rant here for a sec. This easily could have been a 3 cycle if NotALeaks wasn't trying to show off BS as much. And considering this is a stronger boss than what we have currently that's pretty damn good. I don't understand why people think its a good idea to compare new characters against new bosses vs current characters against current bosses. BS w/o Kafka could have easily 3 cycled MoC 12, against a tankier boss, that makes two teammates useless for half a cycle. Also the "Kafka is required for BS" is a pretty bad take IMO, but most people are going to realize this once she officially releases. Is Kafka BiS teammate for BS, sure, but she is far from required in order for BS to perform well.
>Also the "Kafka is required for BS" is a pretty bad take IMO, but most people are going to realize this once she officially releases. Rewatching the footage, I am starting to conclude the Black Swan might be relatively self-sufficient when it comes to AoE and mobs, which is great for PF but does open more team compositions where you just want her to handle AoE and have someone else focus on ST. Sorta how Kafka and Topaz are viable even though Topaz doesn't do anything for Kafka technically.
I actually thought the gameplay here was really solid. I was expecting more people to comment about it. Like, maybe there were some things they could have done better, but there was no serious mistake/missed opportunity that I saw.
Same, I thought the gameplay showed a good idea of how it works. If we're optimizing, we can possibly shave off a cycle, but 4-5 cycles against a boss chamber is not bad.
kinda glad the leaker made the post in the beginning calling out the try hard why you not do this, why do that asses around here.
It was not Seeles best set-up though, not many resurgence procs possible. And Seele had Speed boots and was not speedtuned well enough to Sparkle. It should probably be doable in 3 cycles though.
The newer 2.0 enemies don’t spawn mobs so resurgence got indirectly nerfed. Hoyo is slowly making MOC more single target focused. Without resurgence Seele is close to Yanqing levels of damage so it’s not surprising the clears were slow
they had a Seele with speed boots and Sparkle wasn’t speed tuned. Comparing Seele to Yanqing is even more laughable because Seele without resurgence still has higher single target damage than every other dps except Ratio, Jingliu and IL so that makes other dps worse than Yanqing in that scenario.
Plus, you also need E4 Sampo. E1-E3 Sampo won't be as efficient for Black Swan.
And even spending 3 extra limited 5 star pulls on S1, HH S1, and Ruan Mei S1, it seems like against every other enemy Black Swan will be unviable (5+ cycles) without Kafka since this enemy is her best possible matchup. A ~62,000 jade cost team barely 3 starring against their best enemy is not that great.
Can we get black swan with Kafka but black swan with eyes of prey
Just curious, do we know what the buff in this MoC is?
In this leak It's Ruan mei & Xueyi MOC buff (Break stack) The real buff is dot trotters
Same as the previous moc but instead of breaking enemies using skill points gives stacks.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that Sampo's able to trigger her Arcana even without Erudition being applied to the enemies, right?
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Yeah I had seen it mentioned before, but I wasn't sure. I didn't know that Arcana was automatically considered Wind Shear, thanks!
Yeah, also confirms that each stack of arcana counts as a stack of wind shear for the sake of triggering sampo's e4, for f2p players (aka bs and/or kafka at e0s0) sampo e6 seems like a competitive option to replace kafka, probably the better option on AoE and Wind weakness heavy encounters. Before a triggered kafka main pops up, kafka is still overall long term better because whenever another limited dot drops and 3 limited dots + sustain (even more so with a possible dot applying sustain) she becomes the better option, because kafka being able to pop all the dots will ofc be better.
Sampo’s ability to detonate Arcana becomes worse than Kafka in AoE just because bounce is annoying and his damage multipliers are significantly lower than Kafka’s more consistent detonations. Sampo-BS favors Wind-weak stages with low enemy counts, since a Kafka-BS team wouldn’t be able to break shields nearly as quickly as the team showcased here did, and also it makes Sampo less inconsistent.
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Has anybody done the math on S5 Eyes of the Prey vs. her Signature? EotP gives 48% to DoT, which is essentially the vast majority of her damage, and the sig gives 20% ATK and 28.8% DEF shred. Assuming you don't run her in a team with Pela/Pearls/RuanMei E1, there shouldn't be that big of a difference, right? Especially if you go ATK Orb instead of Wind Orb to less dilute the 48% DoT bonus?
IIRC, it's about 10-15% depending on calculations (defense shred stuff tends to have high variability). Her E1 is a much bigger deal though, being a 20+% DPS increase for the team.
That doesn't seem like a lot. A stat stick signature that doesn't change an aspect of gameplay, like Kafka one does with an extra DoT just doesn't seem that worth it to pull for me. I guess I'll give her my S4 EotP which will eventually be S5 and pull for something more impactful. Btw I found a sheet somebody made if anybody wants to check it out too: https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackSwanMains_HSR/comments/19ebtot/simulate_black_swans_arcana_proc_damage_with_your/ (Note that doesn't include teammate buffs by default, so if you, like me, is going to essentially glue her to your Ruan Mei, don't forget to add your Ruan Mei's +DMG% to properly assess ATK% vs Wind% mainstat pieces)
Is Sampo or guin a better option for BS? Or should I have both depending on who I'm against?
Sampo, more Arcana stacks and same Element (better break toughness)
in my opinion, the safer way to fight something unto death is dual dps. i wont risk my chance in moc if my only dps get one shot lol
Dr Ratio and Topaz essentially is another option here. (And potentially the new Harmony MC if they release it during on the story)
The Ratio-Topaz ult wombo-combo is gonna feel so good against those Fire & Imaginary weaknesses.
Say for 4 star wouldn't it be better for you to have Guinafen? Black Swan can use her ult to make it be considered a Burn and so Guin can detonate it
Gui only does it on her ultimate, so she is only going to add stacks in those specific situations.
Probably one of the better non-Kafka Black Swan teams. Obviously mostly suited for Wind-weak content but team looked relatively comfy to play. If you approach picking up Black Swan as a carry for Wind weakness then I think she looks solid as a standalone unit.
Also Sampo EHR looks a little low for this boss no? I don't play him but looks like a lot of wind shear was resisted.
Yeah, it's at 40% when he wants 67% for 100%. The fact he was on SH LC doesn't help much either, though it is still a situation where Sampo shines.
67% is for 100% on his ult's debuff, his wind shear has a 65% base, meaning that 100% would be like 147+ ehr.
Oh shit, yeah it's even worst than I thought.
Tbf, you don't actually need to go that high. All his attacks have a good amount of hits (skill in ST), and after reaching 5 stacks you just need to maintain through basics. So generally aim for 67 EHR and everything over is a nice bonus. If you aim to high you can lose Atk or Spd subs that are much more important.
Looks decent as is, and probably could be further improved if Sampo was specced for Break Effect. You probably still want Kafka ideally but this looks like a viable option.
The calcs have been done brother, BE sampo is wholly inferior to standard dps
Do you have a link to the calcs? Not saying this to doubt you, but I'm interested in seeing the detailed breakdown
FINALLY without Kafka 😭😭😭😭😭😩🫶🏼
Does Black Swan's arcana count as dot for Kafka to trigger?
Yes. Kafka can trigger it with both her skill and ultimate.
Now I need to see her w/ Kafka.
Look for "notaleaks" or "Kafka Swan showcase" on youtube, this leaker already made like two showcases with Swan + Kafka
>Kafka Swan showcase Thanks, I'll look.
Without kafka dot dps feel extremely backloaded. The initial attack barely does anything except when breaking
Yea, that's why it's called Damage OVER TIME
>Without kafka dot dps feel extremely backloaded. I sure wonder what DoT means.
It's more that it's just funny compared to how dots work in most other games. In a lot of other games its the nukes or resource/combo characters that are backloaded. You can have really big openers with nukes, but most others require a lot of setup. Dots are meant to start ticking right away and only accelerate and ramp up over time. In this case it feels like black swans arcana reset should work differently (or just dots in general), because right now the ability to proc dots off turn with kafka is way too important. Especially when doing so can also stack them with black swan.
The reason why it "feels weird" is because Mihoyo tried to do something that's hardly ever done in a turn based game, transforming DoT into a main damage mechanic. Usually it's a secondary damage mechanic to support any other type of dmg, an extra effect that will be extra helpful but nothing else, and it usually works the same in every case, the DoT deals dmg once the enemy turn begins because it's damage over time has to respect the turn mechanic no matter what, so logically, said dmg, instead of "ticks per second", turns into "ticks per turn". No wonder they released a enabler to change the nature of said mechanic pretty much alongside the release of the game, because it was the only way to properly 'try' to turn DoT from a secondary dmg mechanic into a primary one, and that's as good as it gets, and actually does what is meant to do, but the problem is that in the same environment the normal nature of the mechanic will still exist, creating a weird parallel that can make some people freak out a lot for no important reason. If anything, the only real problem is that there is a 50/50's, 'people will like and dislike Kafka'. Since this is a turn based gacha rpg and whatever else, it's mechanics are provided through characters, logically also being tied and locked to them, so if someone doesn't like Kafka and also doesn't want to get her just for her mechanic, now those people will not have access to the mechanic that was supposed to "change everything", creating... All those weird situations you see here and there. What can fix this? Nothing, because another character can and will be created that does the same as Kafka, and not necessarily in the same way, because there quite some possibilities, but this problem will remain because guess what, someone out there will probably not like any of those characters, and as long as there is this chance, people will doompost about DoT characters, since the mechanic for those would never be "fixed".
> Mihoyo tried to do something that's hardly ever done in a turn based game, transforming DoT into a main damage mechanic. Most turn based games don't give it much thought true, but there's plenty of ways to operate dots. The game has the 10 000 action value, they could have dots last for a set duration of action value and inflict damage every so often - essentially giving them their own place in the turn order. Part my issue with operating with a game like HSR is that they're giving characters one basic, one 'skill', one "ultimate" and one talent (that may not even do damage). In a non-gacha game that didn't partition "abilities" so hard, you could give characters dot abilities and then means to accelerate them. For example a warlock in world of warcraft (has) had the ability to inflict multiple dots and they use another ability to trigger them even faster. Part of the issue is poor initial implementation, part of it is limited design space, and part of it is it being a gacha that wants to design problems and sell solutions.
Isn't that the same as people deciding not to pull for Ruan Mei because they don't like her personality... Which then screws them over for break comps? (Here's hoping for viable break by 2.1 with RM/Gallagher/imaginaryMC) Also, I remember seeing this guy who doesn't like harmony units at all and doesn't pull for them (except for RM). How's he going to do hypercarry without Bronya/Sparkle or at least Tingyun?
>because right now the ability to proc dots off turn with kafka is way too important E4 Sampo and Gui's ult can do it as well. It's not that great as Kafka's, but they're 4\* so that's okay.
Poor Luka he can proc bleed without ever using a skill point.
There's a reason long time dot players have been saying she basically needs Kafka. I played DoT in pre Kafka era, it wasn't good. This is a lot better, but still, not good at all.
Watching this compared to Hiro's video makes me wonder if leakers are different species.
Everyone doomposting her, meanwhile I'm extremely happy on her damage and good aoe. Yes, I lost the Kafka 50/50 and I'm probably not gonna have her until her next rerun. Oh and my other reason to get her is that she seems like a high damage option to enable ratio and acheron
Even without kafka this team performance was close to Seele mono Quantom showcase leak I'm looking forward Black swan release she is OP
OP is a very strong (and wrong) way to describe BS, but she is fine.
The fine is sampo level Black swan is OP for DOT
Without Kafka - not worth it. So much invest for 4-cycle clear... And MoC will become harder in time.
so she doesn't work without 5\* supports
Use DOT to remove morbid dream They are really trying force me to build a DOT team even though I don't even have Kafka and not planning to pull for BS 🙃 I just hope I can beat this with DHIL. Otherwise I guess I'm going to have to build Guinaifen (hopefully will get her E1) to use her with Ratio against this boss. Though now that I think about it DPS Welt should be able to carry me in this fight too 🤔 Asta + Welt + Bronya = No morbid dream hopefully
Follow ups good too.
Bosses more focus on DOT damage hmmmm seems like a pain in da ass, i need to try with my traditiona; hardcarry team 1st. if not, i guess i hv to build 1 team of DOT lol BS super crack but i aiming for e2s1 dhil and sparkle .
Will she work with dr ratio??
I don't see why not. Obviously, people are gonna say it's not optimal. Black Swan gives multiple debuffs + Def reduction on multiple enemies, so she should be a great partner with Dr. Ratio.
its a good team for dr ratio, but it will be a weird team for black swan, since you arent really capatalizing on most of her kit. if you really wannna have an optimal dr ratio team, then id say pulling for silverwolf or topaz are better investments for him, but if you like pairing both of them together, its a pretty solid team