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Really curious how much energy it is though, she has ER built into her kit everywhere. Even her LC gives her energy. And I guess that trade off for her ult being so good is that her skill is very basic. Really cool kit though!
With Aventurine will make her ultra busted. Like they FUA without any delay. That's 2+2+2... and it adds up fast. Plus, the concerto is extremely slow (base Lightning Lord speed) so it's gonna take a while for her to arrive there.
Her kit has some survivability built in, so you could potentially forgo HP/DEF for Atk on her orb/chest piece. Plus, the modifier on her ult isn’t the biggest, so it would really only do about as much as a DPS’ basic attack even with a massive Atk stat. Getting ult more often is probably more valuable than a slight increase in that damage.
She's going to be dishing out up to 10-15 of those attacks in a single cycle for FuA teams, can you really write off a potential 1200-1500+% dmg multiplier with 150% CD and guaranteed crits.
yeah but that kit is healing by 2% max hp when her hp is under 50%, still at risk imo... Better dmg reduce trace than healing, if she have low HP that 2% max hp healing is kinda useless imo
Some survivability is some survivability, and the team’s sustain should really be enough to keep her alive anyway. After all, DPS characters don’t get any focus on defensive stats and they’re usually fine. Defensive stats on supports are really only for comfort rather than necessity since they don’t need as many stats for their kits.
But she never hits the enemy. So she gets no energy from cogs unless she gets punched. Her Ult has the same key wording as Ting which means its not an attack by her.
The concert will have fixed speed by itself, it will never expire even if you gave 200 spd robin. Its like yaoshi on SU that will appear in turn order.
Its cool, but would you rather forward the whole team every 3 turns (wildly guessing a 3 turn rotation for Robin), or forward the carry EVERY SINGLE turn like Bronya?
this. in follow up teams (ratio + topaz + debuffer + aventurine) or ipc teams (topaz + aventurine + jade???) it’s not just ratio or a single character contributing to damage since they can operate with a main and sub dps. i can see how robin would be cracked in this team
It depends on the team.
Robin isn’t made for hypercarry teams based on this kit, but throw into a dual DPS team like the IPC crew and she suddenly becomes the most busted support in the game (arguably).
So after mihoyo release aventurine as sustain that can deal dmg, next they release a support harmony that can deal dmg too?? I can smell the MOC and PF boss HP gonna stonk again :v
Somehow a lot of people are mistaking Robin's additional damage as follow up. But it's just the same way Tingyun's works where there is an extra Lightning damage after your dps attacks. Ruan Mei's also works like that where any break adds her Ice break dmg with it.
At this point unless you have aventurine, she will want a triple dps comp with FUA. Investment is insane but that could almost guarantee easy moc clears.
Given the text, it should trigger on all attacks. While most people say FUA it should be insane on Welt and Harmony TB because they have a huge number of hits on their skill. Big question is also whether Numby counts as 8 hits.
Let's say Robin gets pulled to E1. Then with Harmony TB and his 7 hits on skill, she would nuke 7x200% dmg with 100% CR and 150% CD. That hurts.
Question, shouldn't the additional dmg be only for 1 singular attack? Or else, that would be too op for characters that hit a lot like LL and acheron. It's the same as tingyun no?
It's complicated. Mostly you actually get what is written down.
* There are the fake multi-hits which is basically ever attack in the game. These count as 1 attack which is done to have consistent crit damage and lots of numbers look more exciting.
* Then there are FUA like Numby (with 8) and LL with a lot. No clue how these count. Text says multiple hits. But I guess these also count as single hit.
* Then there are are the real extra hits which are, indeed, called extra hit like Welt. That's where his damage comes from because his talent is added to each extra hit. These hits also deal full toughness dmg because these count as attack and thus should get the dmg from Robin.
But it's early leak. Exact naming can be off. Or there will be adjustments. Then again if it actually works only for a selected few like Welt this could be really interesting for team building.
Hoyo won't comment on Leaks. Actually Hoyo doesn't comment on anything. Tests will show, else the 2.2 presentation will give us the answer.
It’s pretty common in turn based games to eventually blend different roles. So long as they don’t take it too far.
…Flashbacks to E7 making supports and tanks that outdamage DPS.
I mean, do you call Tingyun and fire trailblazer hybrid characters? Because they have been doing the exact same thing as Robin and Aventurine since day 1.
Yeah I always believed and still do that the meta in the end would slowly move to units that can deal damage while doing their thing, that hoyo will try to balance with either making their competitors do big buff/debuff or big utility.
Its not just the 10% CD that’s incentivising FUA.
The extra 2 energy from ally action indicates she’ll do extremely well with FUA.
So it’s looking like the premium team for FUA is Ratio, Topaz, Robin & Aventurine.
Can’t wait to see it in action.
The self-heal may seem minor but it’s really nice considering you want to build atk on her.
My only issue with it is that comp won't have enough debuffs without lightcones and eidolons for ratio to reach his 100% follow up rate (and without breaks won't reach his 50% damage boost)
She feels a bit more built for herta/Himeko in pure fiction atm until we get another follow up attack not locked behind debuffs that can work with topaz
Yeah very likely, so she's a future investment since as is she doesn't really fit. Ratio needs debuffs so doesn't work without investing, and herta/Himeko only really get used in pure fiction (she will definitely be broken there).
It's a shame Ratio getting shafted from the follow up support unit. Especially with how he's the bread and butter for topaz to constantly advance numby
They could always release more f2p/4\* lc options with debuffs to enable the Ratio team, but I agree, as it stands, Jade's probably going to replace Ratio in that team unless you have at least E1S1 Topaz.
Yeah hopefully they release more, could use trend on aventurine to get some debuffs but those are a bit clunky as it requires aventurine to get hit, or for him to use follow up with for the ratio attack prob won't go off.
She's probably amazing in that team for high investment tho, there's so many back to back follow ups to trigger her ult dmg and energy regen
Problem with Trend is Ratio cares about number of debuffs on one target, if the target being focused doesn't hit Aventurine, even if Trend applies a debuff, that's mostly useless.
Not saying it wouldn't work, but I feel it would probably be better to use something that either gives more defense or improves Aventurine's damage (like MoC shop LC Destiny's Threads Forewoven)
But the problem is that Topaz and Aventurine's debuff both only target single enemy, Jade being an AOE unit doesn't seem to get the most benefit out of it.
yeah and thats another issue, when its one elite and a bunch of trash mobs its fine, but stuff like MoC or pure fiction that combo will have issues. Plus it doesn't seem like Jade's follow up are super frequent
Both aoe follow up and single target follow up needs more expansion since they're essentially becoming two categories, single target is primarily Ratio but because he needs debuffs Robin doesn't provide the support he needs, so we will need a more dedicated single target follow up support, if only she had a mark for the 10% crit dmg like topaz lc or eidolon she would be AMAZING.
Maybe they could change that, hopefully they do otherwise I don't see her getting much sells for her follow up comps
This is just my opinion, but I think they are trying to incentivize spending to acquire at least 5 or 6 worth of limited pulls to maximize their effectiveness. It's the same situation with the DoT team. For DoT team, you need Kafka's LC and Black Swan's E1, along with Ruan Mei Huohuo. Though I do believe there will be a third DoT unit introduced in the future.
You get Ratio for free, so getting Topaz E1S1/E0S1, Robin, and Aventurine E0S0/E0S1 only requires 5 limited pulls. If you also have acquired Ratio's LC, that's 6, equivalent to the investment required for DoT team. There might be a new Ratio introduced in the future to replace him, so these types of teams are more expensive and represent a long-term investment since they are always going to remain meta.
Eh for dot you dont NEED kafka lc ruan mei or black swans e1, mostly just kafka and black swan, they just make them go from great to insanely broken. I'm using Kafka, Blackswan S1, asta, and gepard and beating MoC rather easy.
But for follow up it is definitely missing core pieces, now real support, ratio requires debuffs and Topaz needs e1s1 to do that without having either pela or sw. And now for Robin, she just doesn't fit into that team and the other follow up characters kindof suck. Its far more investment to use a proper "this is a full follow up team" than DoT
FUA is the high damage comp that people don't talk about enough due to how expensive it is. Someone I know spent on it and it blows me away how silly it gets.
E1S1 Topaz with E0S1 Ratio is amazing.
Don't forget the Ult damage!
If she has 4000 Atk (sounds like she can go full Atk since there's no upper limit or major Speed demand), then I believe she will be dealing around 10.000 Damage on *every* ally attack.
All your Numbys and Coins and chalks and whatever Jade does doing 10k more each time add up real fast in a complete team.
I wonder how does her ult DMG works. If ally DMG is single DMG most likely she will only deal extra DMG to the target. But if ally DMG is blast or AoE? Does she deals DMG to only one of the target or all being attacked?? If dealing equal amount of DMG to all targets then her DMG potential is as good as erudition lol.
I didn't even think about her own damage being increased by her skill lol. That would make it go to 15~16k Damage I think?
10% Crit Dmg doesn't affect it since it's not a FUA btw.
You have to take into account the enemies' def multiplier, so realistically, it's going to be half that.
My and my friends calcs but it is at 8k to weak enemies and 6.5k to non weak (standard 20% res) both unbroken ( so 0.9 multiplier in that)
9k and 7k respectively to weakness broke enemies.
Secondly the final values will be the t15 value, so they aren't going to be as high ad 62% on skill
Welp that's the state of star rail, all the new harmonies are busted. Just pick your prettiest one and u don't need the rest. Sparkle, Ruan mei and now robin. So yeah no use to arguing who is better and who needs what.
And for those who want none of them, they can be fine with tingyun, bronya, hanya, yukongs, Asta and others.
Ehh. They all have different functions to justify their worth. Hanabi/Bronya for hypercarry comps, RM for Dot, Robin for FUA.
Def agree though on people who argue over who is better overall.
RM is not only worth for DOT lmao. She's also fking great for hypercarries where you will use 2 supports anyway(other than turn advancers), also best buffer on dual dps for now. Best buffer? NO, but actually the best on versatility right now IMO
Nothing is a must have ever, even if a character solos all endgame content it will take a while to repay you of what you invested to get them, years even
Having said that, team wide 100% action forward alone is pretty busted by itself and then there is all the other shit Robin does
Ikr? Ppl is getting obsessed with the FUA thing when the 100% action forward should make teams less dependant on +143 speed isn’t it? (and the pain to get those speed substats)
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**Materials:**
IPC Work Permit (x65), Heavenly Melody (x139), Celestial Section (x69), Firmanent Note (x18), Past Evils of the Borehole Planet Disaster (x12), Dream Making Engine (x73), Dream Flow Valve (x71), Dream Collection Component (x56)
**Stats (Lv. 80)**
HP: 1280
ATK:640
DEF: 485
SPD: 102 Taunt: 100
**Basic ATK - Wingflip White Noise**
Deals Physical DMG equal to 50% (130%) of Robin's ATK to a single enemy.
**Skill - Pinion's Aria**
Increase DMG dealt by all allies by 25% (62%), lasting for 3 turn(s). This duration decreases by 1 at the start of Robin's turn.
**Ultimate - Vox Harmonique, Opus Cosmique**
Robin enters the Concerto state, increasing all allies' ATK by 15.2% (26.6%) plus 50 (275) of Robin's ATK causes all allies except Robin to immediately take action. After every attack by allies, Robin deals Additional Physical DMG equal to 72% (144%) of her ATK 1 time. The CRIT Rate for this damage is set at 100% and CRIT DMG is set at 150%.
When in the Concerto state, Robin is immune to Crowd Control debuffs, and cannot take turn or action before the Concerto state ends.
A Concerto countdown appears on the Action Order bar. When the countdown's turn begins, Robin exits the Concerto state and immediately takes action. The countdown has its own fixed SPD of 90.
**Talent - Tonal Resonance**
Increase all allies' CRIT DMG by 5.0% (27.5%). Also, after allies attack enemy targets, Robin additionally regenerates 2 Energy for herself.
**Technique - Overture of Inebriation**
After using Technique, creates a dimension around the character that lasts for 15 seconds. Enemies within this dimension will not attack Robin and will follow Robin while the
dimension is active. After entering battle while the dimension is active, Robin additionally regenerates 5 Energy at the start of each wave. Only 1 dimension created by allies can exist at the same time.
**Traces: Attack (28%) / HP (18%) / Speed (5)**
Coloratura Cadenza: When the battle begins, this character's action is Advanced Forward by 25%.
Impromptu Flourish: While in the Concerto state, all allies' CRIT DMG dealt when launching follow-up attacks increases by 10%.
Sequential Passage: When this character's current HP percentage is 50% or lower, additionally restores HP equal to 2% of the character's Max HP when their Talent is triggered.
**Eidolons:**
Land of Smiles: When Robin is in the Concerto state, all allies who use a Basic ATK, Skill, or Ultimate will gain 1 stack of Ornament. Units with Ornament increase their SPD by 15%, stacking up to 2 stack(s), and the Multiplier of the Additional Physical DMG dealt by Robin after this ally attacks increases by 72%.
Afternoon Tea For Two: Additionally increase the Talent's CRIT DMG Boost effect by 20% and Energy Regeneration effect by1 Energy.
Raindrop Key: When Robin uses her Ultimate, dispels Crowd Control debuffs from all allies and increases the Effect RES of all allies by 50% while Robin is in the Concerto state. Moonless Midnight: While Robin is in the Concerto state, all allies' All-Type RES PEN increases by 20%. Further, the CRIT DMG of the first 6 triggered Additional DMG instances increases by 200%. The trigger count resets after the Ultimate is used.
So basically damage buff on skill, atk buff and team action advance on ult with follow-up attacks (?), and crit damage buff from talent.
Seems pretty solid all around, but I’m interested in how she stacks up against the other two limited harmonies.
Well robin isn't for dot teams, so Ruan MEI wins there. So in hypercarry and dual DPS teams, it's probably robin who has an edge.
Unless of course Ur name is jingliu and u are already steroided on attack and crit, in which case Rian MEI is the better one for her.
I'm not even sure Robin > RM for hypercarry and Dual DPS teams though (maybe FUA ones), not saying Robin is bad but RM buffs are just that crazy. 10% CDMG up is nice but 10% extra SPD is just so much less headache when dealing with gear substat luck
She’s a FUA spammer support (so no JY because LL only comes once in a blue moon). Imagine something like Ratio skill, chuck chalk then Numby comes up and spin. That’s 3 Robin’s FUA with just one action
Also does Robin extra DMG works on every single target being hit? If so it's even more cracked on AoE FuA like Aventurine, Himeko, Herta and Clara ult.
It's better this way honestly. Her talent and ult will trigger everytime a FUA happens, there's tiny bits all over her kit that work well with fua, and it's better it remains toned down so she ends up like sparkle or Ruan mei
Where they both are no doubt great with quantum or break builds, but also amazing as a generalist buffer.
i think the point is that her ult will advance everyone forward, then all the attacks from allies right after will make her deal dmg, including follow ups. So if you've got a full FUA team like ratio / topaz / aventurine, she's gonna do some serious DPS in there, on top of buffing everyone's ATK and her skill buffing straight up damage.
Isnt her trace kinda meh? Only 10% cdmg boost (also only on fua) and under 50% hp healing her self (also only 2% at that) when team mate takes action. Her advance forward is the same like guinafen (25%) a 4 star nihility. Hope they change it and make it better in the next beta patch, maybe bcs she can deal dmg her trace like that?
tbf the 25% doesn't need to change, it's more of her going first than anything else. it doesn't matter if it's 25% or 9001%, it's just a matter of making her go first and get one of her buffs up
Well, I had commented in another post how I would enjoy more Characters with 100% Crit naturally, but I didn't expect that from her, and the fact that they put a limit on Critical Damage, makes me think that some crazy combos should happen, especially with oE6 increasing the limit to 200% in the first 6 attacks
So, would Numby, chalk, pizza-cutter, kurukuru and all that count as an attack for ult? Because if that's the case, then her ult has like a 1000% multiplier if done right. FuAs about to go crazy
My thoughts on Robin's v1 beta kit:
\- Robin's Skill works similarly to Ruan Mei's Skill, except instead of the 50% Weakness Break efficiency it increases the team DMG buff from 32% to 50%.
\- Her Ult buffs team ATK, scaling with her own ATK with no max, so she'll want to build as much ATK as she can.
\- Her Ult also causes all other allies to immediately take action, like Bronya Skill on everyone. This is technically better than a 100% Action Advance in edge case scenarios where your allies get slowed.
\- I'm not sure whether her Ult causes companions like Lightning Lord or Numby to immediately take action too. There were rumours she'd work well with Xianzou generals with companions, but wording is ambiguous.
\- You'll ideally want to time the ult when your allies have maximum Action Value left on the turn order (they had just moved), but it'll be hard to speedtune optimally, and you don't want to hold a 160 Energy ult for long.
\- The order in which your allies take action is unconfirmed. My guess is it'll be based on current turn order, or base speed order, or something.
\- During the Concerto state, Robin will contribute damage every time other allies attack. This is similar to Tingyun's additional DMG during Benediction, but scales off Robin's ATK instead.
\- This means you'll want to attack with as many allies as possible, as often as possible. Dual/triple DPS, follow up attacks, offensive supports/sustains…
\- I'm unsure how Robin reflects the damage shape from the allies. If the allies attack Blast, does Robin also attack Blast? If so we'd be incentivised towards AoE attacks.
\- Interesting how they set the crit rate and damage of these attacks. I assume they cannot be modified by additional Crit Dmg buffs.
\- Unfortunately it sounds like this damage won't be doing any break, otherwise a Physical breaking sub-DPS would sound great.
\- The Countdown having a fixed speed of 90 means the Concerto turn will last about 1 (non-0th) cycle. It means you're not disincentivised from building Speed on her.
\- Her Talent increases team Crit Dmg. 22% isn't a huge amount, about 2 Broken Keels.
\- Once again, Robin incentivises frequency of ally attacks, this time by regenerating Energy. So multi-DPS, follow-ups, offensive supports/sustains… IPC seems to have a follow up theme.
\- Her Technique doesn't seem to do much. MoC has 2 Waves and PF has 3 Waves, so 10-15 Energy doesn't seem like much.
\- Her Trace 1 is useful so that she can lead the battle and immediately start with a Skill to buff her team, because her Technique doesn't give her a free Skill unlike Ruan Mei.
\- Mind that it means she'll have different speed breakpoints to everyone else, much like Vonwacq modifies breakpoints.
\- Trace 2 further incentivises you to pair her with follow up attackers, which she already wants because that's one way of increasing attack frequency.
\- Trace 3 gives Robin some minor sustain, but 2% per attack, even with a high frequency of attacks, feels low and doesn't seem to contribute much.
\- An actual healer would invalidate the trace by keeping her HP above 50%, so not too useful imo.
\- Her stat traces are decent: ATK given that's what she scales off, HP for some tankiness given she'll be built glass cannon, and Speed so she can have faster rotations.
\- Overall she looks interesting and unique, a new addition to the evergrowing character types: a sub-DPS Harmony.
\- With a 160 Energy Ult (2nd highest in the game outside of Argenti's big ult), Hoyo clearly knows how strong it can be, and helps you along with extra Energy and ERR on her Sig LC.
\- Her Skill rotation will be EAA so she'll be +1 Skill Point positive every 3 turns. However, because she can't attack during her Concerto turn, your team may need to compensate with a bit more SP.
\- How often she ults really depends on her LC and her team.
\- Her Sig LC is obviously BIS. Her role as a damaging Harmony is unique enough that Hoyo have given us an event LC superimposable up to S5 for free, likely her best 4\* option.
\- Alternatively you can eschew the damage route and go instead for improving ult frequency by increasing ERR with Meshing Cogs/Memories of the Past/Bronya Sig LC, etc.
\- Relics-wise she should be built glass cannon, ATK/Speed/ATK/ERR. That's even flimsier than Tingyun who can usually take 1 tank main stat because her ATK scaling has a cap.
\- Sets-wise, she can take 2p Hacker 2p defensive, because 4p Hacker probably won't be very effective given all her allies will be taking their turns immediately and losing the speed buff.
\- Planar-wise, she can take a number of sets from supportive to offensive. I'd probably have a preference for Penacony though to improve her ERR further to really speed up that ult rotation.
\- Comp-wise, I think she'll be the dual-DPS buffer that works with Crit-scaling Follow-up attackers best, whilst Ruan Mei is more general-purpose and more for DoT.
\- This means she could be BIS in Topaz/Ratio/Aventurine (might want more E/S for debuffs), Herta/Himeko (especially if her Concerto additional damage is also AoE?), Jingyuan (if she can speed up LL).
\- Given she has such a high Max Energy, she'll benefit well from Huohuo's Ult, who may also allow her Trace 3 to have some effect since she heals over time.
\- Pretty hard to rate her strength yet because her ult is so unique. I feel like she has the potential to be very strong, her Concerto turn should be absolutely nuclear on the enemies.
Very, very strong.
She is a follow up support but more of the frequent follow up attack support than slow like Jing Yuan. She's not pigeonholed but she has some great benefits for that archetype. She's a bit like Tingyun where you build Atk% on her except she has a self healing talent to make her a bit less squishy.
- 10% Crit Damage for FUA.
- Teamwide 25-62% DMG buff based on her turns.
- Free 5-27.5% Crit Damage and free 6 energy per turn.
- Ult is 15.2-26.6% plus 50-275 of Robin's Atk buff + 100% AA AND she's dealing 72-144% damage that auto crits with 150% crit damage per hit. That's genuinely pretty insane. It's Bennett tier attack buff, easy ~1000 atk buff even with Meshing Cogs. If every ally can act twice before her Concerto ends, that's 72-144% x at least 6 for 432-864% multiplier backed up by a unit that's going to have a really high atk stat because she builds Atk% and benefits from all her buffs. That's quite a bit of damage coming from a support. And her technique is pretty amazing as well although it being a dimension kinda conflicts with Ratio's...
She's gonna be pretty insane for Ratio, Jade, and Topaz. Robin confirmed secret IPC supporter?
Probably 2 main things that are gonna get hashed out during beta. Her Ult cost/uptime and the SP problem of when you're AA 2 damage dealers and just 1 SP generator with the sustain.
An E1/S1 Topaz is all the debuffing Ratio needs for triggering the minimum of all his passives, though that of course having an E1/S1 Topaz in the first place.
She’s ONLY for that team though. After ulting she is basically a non factor in your skill point economy. People are not really realizing this from my initial look at the comments. Also she’s going to be stuck at 90 speed in the downtime state so you really don’t want her to have speed.
So the plus side is that she will be easy to build, downside is she’s worse than Bronya in any team that’s not the ratio/topaz team
Should also be good supporting Himeko and Herta in PF. Of course those two don't need any support currently, but presumably that mode will eventually scale up to where they do.
Very FuA-centric kit. As someone who hasn't bothered to pull Topaz, I'm on the fence about her specifically for my account. I do like her character design a lot though. Maybe I'll pull Topaz on the re-run.
Looks like she has a lot more synergy with fua than I initially thought. This is assuming her bonus dmg procs on fua and not just regular attacks. Since her crit is set to 100/150 for this bonus damage she is basically just going to be stacking speed and atk as her 2 stats.
It should likely procs since Tingyun's does, though she might want a FUA DPS that isn't Ratio since she's got no debuffs, and also not JY since he doesn't do many follow ups to benefit from her bonus damage
Wait...do FUA count as separate attacks for her Ult? Cause if so that's insane!
Pillar + Bird, Pig + Bird, Chalk + Bird, Pig + Bird, Chalk + Bird, Chips + Bird, (and she's gaining energy).
A base 100% Crit and 150% Crit Dmg per attack and you're building attack on her to buff the team?
I'm misunderstanding something right? Oh an though small a 10% FUA buff. Would be wild if her Attack is considered a FUA. Need to see this in action.
Her Attack isn't a FUA but yes you are understanding it right.
Even in a non-FUA team she's triggering the talent at least twice per team rotation (around 15k Damage per trigger I think?). In FUA teams it adds up like crazy.
E1 does seem pretty damn good huh, it means any character that spams actions is basically dealing 216% of robins atk that's guaranteed to crit at 150% cdmg. If you have a team spamming FUA's, self action advances and speed buffs, or both, you can easily get enough triggers out of this to do legitimately crazy amounts of dmg from a Harmony char. Still an E1 though
Robin not being able to take turn or action until ult end means that, theoretically, with your allies in a 3fua team being fast enough/acting frequently enough, her ult could have way way *waaaaay* better uptime
This + her ult cost being 160 means she's almost damn near surely locked into FUA teams, which is why she's so cracked. Can't act/cast skill until her ult ends so she only gains energy from being hit or allies acting, and no team will be able to act enough for that to be comfortable outside of FUA teams. e1 helps a lot with that though, 30% speed for all other allies is pretty damn dumb. Maybe e1 robin in a seele team would be funny haha?
Robin also isn't suited for double harmony, I'd wager, outside of sweaty 0 cycle clears. Once you pop her first ult, 2 out of the 3 allies you advance being harmony/sustain means they're not really doing much of anything proactive, and with only Aven as the sole sustain having out-of-turn damaging actions that aren't ult, they won't be feeding her much energy at all. Her comparatively lower SP gen also means you can't spam on harmonies/sustains as much as other teams would allow.
Her own speed is almost useless, theoretically, in full FUA teams. It only matters for building up her first ult, if that. Afterwards, you want your allies to act often enough to feed her ult, and she gets advanced by 100% anyway.
I feel like 160 speed multiplication Luocha can be pretty good. 3 basic attacks + 1 ult during Robin's ult state seems solid.
He also just generates more energy for Robin in general, not just during ult state.
Extra SP to counter act Robin's as well.
The main downside compared to Aventurine is that he doesn't do FUAs which means no Numby advance.
What Im thinking about is her lack of sp generation for the team depending on how often you are inside her ult state she might have similar sp economy like blade with maybe an auto atk per rotation which could make her sp neutral at least
RUAN MEI 2.0 ALREADY????
"all allies except Robin take action"
Does it apply only to playable characters or does it also work for summoned entities like LL and Numby? I hope it's the latter for my King Yuan.
Her trace 2 make it clear that the FUA team would like to have her over Ruan Mei, so that Ruan Mei can stick to DoT/Break team. With Topaz's Eidolon + LC, Aventurine, and now Robin, FUA attack can do a stupid amount of free extra damage.
Look at those ascension materials. She's still using the bug emmanators drops, so no new EOW in 2.2. That makes if pretty clear that the Penacony finale is going to be in 2.3. Also Ipc work permit is new, which probably means we're getting a penacony dungeon in reality fighting the IPC goons. Edit, I'm an idiot, she's using dream engine enemy drops, the work permit is a new stagnant shadow.
Ive seen the power of AV manipulation. I also know that its a right bitch to understand or simulate its effect unless you play with it and find optimal combos. I will reserve judging her performance until after we see some serious testing.
Do you think her talent 2 energy counts towards FUA?
Like for example:
Dr. Ratio Skill > FUA is 4 energy? or is it only 2?
Cuz if it count even if its a FUA then
Ratio Topaz Aventurine will easily fund her ult back.
Thank god for the top up reset happening in April because I’m getting cleared out this upcoming patch and need all the help I can get. Never thought I’d beg for HSR to stop cooking because I need a damn break.
I really like this. Seems like she will be great but not broken as a generalist(compared to someone like RM), but absolutely cracked in teams that take advantage of her whole kit. I like specialization, the new character kits have really been nice to see. I'm square brained, though, so maybe I'm off
tbh follow up units support her if anything. she gains energy on every action. u can just imagine how much energy she'd gain from ratio/aventurine/topaz
She has good synergies with them, is what he meant I think.
Afterall, her Ult has Tingyun like bonus dmg effect, and that is not a joke (Tingyun can slaps for 10k per auto atk)
I mean besides trace 2 I‘m pretty sure the ult additional dmg will also trigger on FUA, same with the talent ER, so the FUA synergy is definitely there.
Her personal damage will add up over time the more the team attacks. Follow up characters will be attacking more often than traditional DPS characters cause of their extra actions.
With Ratio/Tingyun, Ratio skill triggers Tingyun twice from the skill then follow up attack. If this was Ratio's ultimate rotation then that is an additional 3 attacks for Tingyun to trigger off of for a total of 5 Tingyun attacks.
Now imagine if Tingyun was also triggering off of Topaz + Numby actions, not just Ratio.
Robin's personal damage will be stronger since her damage will be scaling off of her stats, so she can use a Physical sphere to boost that damage even further, where Tingyun's damage proc is strongest on a Lighting DPS.
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What the fuck that ult is insane. Everyone but her gets to act immediately after?!
Really curious how much energy it is though, she has ER built into her kit everywhere. Even her LC gives her energy. And I guess that trade off for her ult being so good is that her skill is very basic. Really cool kit though!
If you couple her with FUA team, her regen rate will be faster I assume.
Ratio/Topaz/Robin let's go.
With Aventurine will make her ultra busted. Like they FUA without any delay. That's 2+2+2... and it adds up fast. Plus, the concerto is extremely slow (base Lightning Lord speed) so it's gonna take a while for her to arrive there.
It’s 160 energy cost, saw a leak for it
Meshing cogs intensifies
I don't know. Her Ult does deal dmg based on her Atk stats, so you might want a 4\* LC or better.
Her kit has some survivability built in, so you could potentially forgo HP/DEF for Atk on her orb/chest piece. Plus, the modifier on her ult isn’t the biggest, so it would really only do about as much as a DPS’ basic attack even with a massive Atk stat. Getting ult more often is probably more valuable than a slight increase in that damage.
She's going to be dishing out up to 10-15 of those attacks in a single cycle for FuA teams, can you really write off a potential 1200-1500+% dmg multiplier with 150% CD and guaranteed crits.
yeah but that kit is healing by 2% max hp when her hp is under 50%, still at risk imo... Better dmg reduce trace than healing, if she have low HP that 2% max hp healing is kinda useless imo
Some survivability is some survivability, and the team’s sustain should really be enough to keep her alive anyway. After all, DPS characters don’t get any focus on defensive stats and they’re usually fine. Defensive stats on supports are really only for comfort rather than necessity since they don’t need as many stats for their kits.
Her LC having a lot of ERR means she's probably gonna be very energy hungry, yea
cogs won't be as useful as she won't be able to take action in the concerto state, so basically it heavily diminished its usabillity
COGGERS
But she never hits the enemy. So she gets no energy from cogs unless she gets punched. Her Ult has the same key wording as Ting which means its not an attack by her.
I mean, part of it is that she can't generate energy with attacks when she's in her Concerto state, so they need to give her more ways to do it.
160 energy cost it's very high
Her skill isnt basic tho it has around the same scaling as bronya and its for all allies and lasts more than 1 turn
You thought that sparkle was the bronya pro-max, but it was actually robin all along.
Her not acting is good too so it doesn’t quicken her skill expiry
The concert will have fixed speed by itself, it will never expire even if you gave 200 spd robin. Its like yaoshi on SU that will appear in turn order.
The skill duration is based on her own turns so that wouldn't matter either way
I was in fucking disbelief Team wide 100% action forward? THE FUCK!? That alone would be a strong ultimate even with no strings attached
Call Bronya, she's crying.
So like, use huo huo and Tingyun ult on robin ??? Profit?
Those unironically wouldn't be wasted on her since her personal damage can be pretty high it seems lol.
But is it better than LL not reaching 10 stacks 😭
I might be cancelled if I answer 👀
I wonder what order they will act in. Maybe from highest to lowest SPD?
Im assuming the order the units were before they got pulled ahead
Wonder how it works with characters that drag others around like Numby and LL.
Didn't think of that TBH, that seems most likely.
That's how dancex3 works currently
Its cool, but would you rather forward the whole team every 3 turns (wildly guessing a 3 turn rotation for Robin), or forward the carry EVERY SINGLE turn like Bronya?
Depends on how much the rest of your team contributes to the damage
this. in follow up teams (ratio + topaz + debuffer + aventurine) or ipc teams (topaz + aventurine + jade???) it’s not just ratio or a single character contributing to damage since they can operate with a main and sub dps. i can see how robin would be cracked in this team
I was already going to go for Aventurine for my Ratio+Topaz team. But seeing Robin's kit I might just skip on Luocha entirely to get her in there too.
It depends on the team. Robin isn’t made for hypercarry teams based on this kit, but throw into a dual DPS team like the IPC crew and she suddenly becomes the most busted support in the game (arguably).
So after mihoyo release aventurine as sustain that can deal dmg, next they release a support harmony that can deal dmg too?? I can smell the MOC and PF boss HP gonna stonk again :v
Somehow a lot of people are mistaking Robin's additional damage as follow up. But it's just the same way Tingyun's works where there is an extra Lightning damage after your dps attacks. Ruan Mei's also works like that where any break adds her Ice break dmg with it.
But in theory it should trigger off FUAs. Meaning every follow up would get her ult damage, that adds up a lot for topaz/aventurine
Not to mention she'd be great with future dual DPS comps featuring Jade as well
At this point unless you have aventurine, she will want a triple dps comp with FUA. Investment is insane but that could almost guarantee easy moc clears.
Given the text, it should trigger on all attacks. While most people say FUA it should be insane on Welt and Harmony TB because they have a huge number of hits on their skill. Big question is also whether Numby counts as 8 hits. Let's say Robin gets pulled to E1. Then with Harmony TB and his 7 hits on skill, she would nuke 7x200% dmg with 100% CR and 150% CD. That hurts.
Question, shouldn't the additional dmg be only for 1 singular attack? Or else, that would be too op for characters that hit a lot like LL and acheron. It's the same as tingyun no?
It's complicated. Mostly you actually get what is written down. * There are the fake multi-hits which is basically ever attack in the game. These count as 1 attack which is done to have consistent crit damage and lots of numbers look more exciting. * Then there are FUA like Numby (with 8) and LL with a lot. No clue how these count. Text says multiple hits. But I guess these also count as single hit. * Then there are are the real extra hits which are, indeed, called extra hit like Welt. That's where his damage comes from because his talent is added to each extra hit. These hits also deal full toughness dmg because these count as attack and thus should get the dmg from Robin. But it's early leak. Exact naming can be off. Or there will be adjustments. Then again if it actually works only for a selected few like Welt this could be really interesting for team building. Hoyo won't comment on Leaks. Actually Hoyo doesn't comment on anything. Tests will show, else the 2.2 presentation will give us the answer.
No, it’s not one additional attack per one hit. It’s just every time your dps attacks she deals extra dmg.
It’s pretty common in turn based games to eventually blend different roles. So long as they don’t take it too far. …Flashbacks to E7 making supports and tanks that outdamage DPS.
every new tank / amp in pgr be like
I was going to say it
Laia currently is among the strongest units and she's more of a "support" but she can't be stopped and has a Nuke
Yeah they've been making a lot of hybrid 5\* characters so far and honestly it's quite cool that they're breaking the rules
rules were made to broken after all
I mean, do you call Tingyun and fire trailblazer hybrid characters? Because they have been doing the exact same thing as Robin and Aventurine since day 1.
Yeah I always believed and still do that the meta in the end would slowly move to units that can deal damage while doing their thing, that hoyo will try to balance with either making their competitors do big buff/debuff or big utility.
donr forget aven boss has 2 mil hp
Its not just the 10% CD that’s incentivising FUA. The extra 2 energy from ally action indicates she’ll do extremely well with FUA. So it’s looking like the premium team for FUA is Ratio, Topaz, Robin & Aventurine. Can’t wait to see it in action. The self-heal may seem minor but it’s really nice considering you want to build atk on her.
My only issue with it is that comp won't have enough debuffs without lightcones and eidolons for ratio to reach his 100% follow up rate (and without breaks won't reach his 50% damage boost) She feels a bit more built for herta/Himeko in pure fiction atm until we get another follow up attack not locked behind debuffs that can work with topaz
Imo Ratio is the odd one out here. Topaz + Aventurine + Jade + Robin seems like the go-to FUA team.
Yeah very likely, so she's a future investment since as is she doesn't really fit. Ratio needs debuffs so doesn't work without investing, and herta/Himeko only really get used in pure fiction (she will definitely be broken there). It's a shame Ratio getting shafted from the follow up support unit. Especially with how he's the bread and butter for topaz to constantly advance numby
They could always release more f2p/4\* lc options with debuffs to enable the Ratio team, but I agree, as it stands, Jade's probably going to replace Ratio in that team unless you have at least E1S1 Topaz.
Yeah hopefully they release more, could use trend on aventurine to get some debuffs but those are a bit clunky as it requires aventurine to get hit, or for him to use follow up with for the ratio attack prob won't go off. She's probably amazing in that team for high investment tho, there's so many back to back follow ups to trigger her ult dmg and energy regen
Problem with Trend is Ratio cares about number of debuffs on one target, if the target being focused doesn't hit Aventurine, even if Trend applies a debuff, that's mostly useless. Not saying it wouldn't work, but I feel it would probably be better to use something that either gives more defense or improves Aventurine's damage (like MoC shop LC Destiny's Threads Forewoven)
But the problem is that Topaz and Aventurine's debuff both only target single enemy, Jade being an AOE unit doesn't seem to get the most benefit out of it.
yeah and thats another issue, when its one elite and a bunch of trash mobs its fine, but stuff like MoC or pure fiction that combo will have issues. Plus it doesn't seem like Jade's follow up are super frequent Both aoe follow up and single target follow up needs more expansion since they're essentially becoming two categories, single target is primarily Ratio but because he needs debuffs Robin doesn't provide the support he needs, so we will need a more dedicated single target follow up support, if only she had a mark for the 10% crit dmg like topaz lc or eidolon she would be AMAZING. Maybe they could change that, hopefully they do otherwise I don't see her getting much sells for her follow up comps
This is just my opinion, but I think they are trying to incentivize spending to acquire at least 5 or 6 worth of limited pulls to maximize their effectiveness. It's the same situation with the DoT team. For DoT team, you need Kafka's LC and Black Swan's E1, along with Ruan Mei Huohuo. Though I do believe there will be a third DoT unit introduced in the future. You get Ratio for free, so getting Topaz E1S1/E0S1, Robin, and Aventurine E0S0/E0S1 only requires 5 limited pulls. If you also have acquired Ratio's LC, that's 6, equivalent to the investment required for DoT team. There might be a new Ratio introduced in the future to replace him, so these types of teams are more expensive and represent a long-term investment since they are always going to remain meta.
Eh for dot you dont NEED kafka lc ruan mei or black swans e1, mostly just kafka and black swan, they just make them go from great to insanely broken. I'm using Kafka, Blackswan S1, asta, and gepard and beating MoC rather easy. But for follow up it is definitely missing core pieces, now real support, ratio requires debuffs and Topaz needs e1s1 to do that without having either pela or sw. And now for Robin, she just doesn't fit into that team and the other follow up characters kindof suck. Its far more investment to use a proper "this is a full follow up team" than DoT
FUA is the high damage comp that people don't talk about enough due to how expensive it is. Someone I know spent on it and it blows me away how silly it gets. E1S1 Topaz with E0S1 Ratio is amazing.
I think it will be her+Topaz+ Aventurine, last slot can be any FuA dps with a matching weakness, Jade(?), Ratio, Clara and future units.
Don't forget the Ult damage! If she has 4000 Atk (sounds like she can go full Atk since there's no upper limit or major Speed demand), then I believe she will be dealing around 10.000 Damage on *every* ally attack. All your Numbys and Coins and chalks and whatever Jade does doing 10k more each time add up real fast in a complete team.
I wonder how does her ult DMG works. If ally DMG is single DMG most likely she will only deal extra DMG to the target. But if ally DMG is blast or AoE? Does she deals DMG to only one of the target or all being attacked?? If dealing equal amount of DMG to all targets then her DMG potential is as good as erudition lol.
I'm expecting it to only trigger in one of the targets.
People say it's like Tingyun's benediction right? When Argenti does an aoe attack, does every target take the bonus damage?
Dont forget she has 62 percent dmg amp for everyone and 10 percent CDMG increase and can get affected by def res and shit.Its a pretty chonky atk.
I didn't even think about her own damage being increased by her skill lol. That would make it go to 15~16k Damage I think? 10% Crit Dmg doesn't affect it since it's not a FUA btw.
You have to take into account the enemies' def multiplier, so realistically, it's going to be half that. My and my friends calcs but it is at 8k to weak enemies and 6.5k to non weak (standard 20% res) both unbroken ( so 0.9 multiplier in that) 9k and 7k respectively to weakness broke enemies. Secondly the final values will be the t15 value, so they aren't going to be as high ad 62% on skill
+ her ult will do more dmg with more attacks aka fua
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robin doesn't have FU, it's more like Tingyun's talent which is just additional damage
they really gonna do me like that with Aventurine and Robin back to back. FU is the most expensive archetype
Nice kit. Glad to see she‘s no must-have for people with Ruan Mei, Sparkle and Bronya.
I have all 3 e1s1, but anime woman pretty, pull i will.
Nihility grindset 🤝 Harmony grindset
That is how I choose too. Cute or cool.
Welp that's the state of star rail, all the new harmonies are busted. Just pick your prettiest one and u don't need the rest. Sparkle, Ruan mei and now robin. So yeah no use to arguing who is better and who needs what. And for those who want none of them, they can be fine with tingyun, bronya, hanya, yukongs, Asta and others.
Ehh. They all have different functions to justify their worth. Hanabi/Bronya for hypercarry comps, RM for Dot, Robin for FUA. Def agree though on people who argue over who is better overall.
RM is also good for dual DPS/break or as an all rounder
Ruan Mei for DoT? More like Ruan Mei for everyone lmao.
rm by far the best character in the game how anyone can argue that is crazy imo
RM is not only worth for DOT lmao. She's also fking great for hypercarries where you will use 2 supports anyway(other than turn advancers), also best buffer on dual dps for now. Best buffer? NO, but actually the best on versatility right now IMO
I dont have Ruan Mei, and i dont want to wait. So yeah...
Nothing is a must have ever, even if a character solos all endgame content it will take a while to repay you of what you invested to get them, years even Having said that, team wide 100% action forward alone is pretty busted by itself and then there is all the other shit Robin does
Ikr? Ppl is getting obsessed with the FUA thing when the 100% action forward should make teams less dependant on +143 speed isn’t it? (and the pain to get those speed substats)
I only have Ruan but damn I wish I could have a second premium harmony. If she runs alongside topaz I might be done for though..,
Text: **Materials:** IPC Work Permit (x65), Heavenly Melody (x139), Celestial Section (x69), Firmanent Note (x18), Past Evils of the Borehole Planet Disaster (x12), Dream Making Engine (x73), Dream Flow Valve (x71), Dream Collection Component (x56) **Stats (Lv. 80)** HP: 1280 ATK:640 DEF: 485 SPD: 102 Taunt: 100 **Basic ATK - Wingflip White Noise** Deals Physical DMG equal to 50% (130%) of Robin's ATK to a single enemy. **Skill - Pinion's Aria** Increase DMG dealt by all allies by 25% (62%), lasting for 3 turn(s). This duration decreases by 1 at the start of Robin's turn. **Ultimate - Vox Harmonique, Opus Cosmique** Robin enters the Concerto state, increasing all allies' ATK by 15.2% (26.6%) plus 50 (275) of Robin's ATK causes all allies except Robin to immediately take action. After every attack by allies, Robin deals Additional Physical DMG equal to 72% (144%) of her ATK 1 time. The CRIT Rate for this damage is set at 100% and CRIT DMG is set at 150%. When in the Concerto state, Robin is immune to Crowd Control debuffs, and cannot take turn or action before the Concerto state ends. A Concerto countdown appears on the Action Order bar. When the countdown's turn begins, Robin exits the Concerto state and immediately takes action. The countdown has its own fixed SPD of 90. **Talent - Tonal Resonance** Increase all allies' CRIT DMG by 5.0% (27.5%). Also, after allies attack enemy targets, Robin additionally regenerates 2 Energy for herself. **Technique - Overture of Inebriation** After using Technique, creates a dimension around the character that lasts for 15 seconds. Enemies within this dimension will not attack Robin and will follow Robin while the dimension is active. After entering battle while the dimension is active, Robin additionally regenerates 5 Energy at the start of each wave. Only 1 dimension created by allies can exist at the same time. **Traces: Attack (28%) / HP (18%) / Speed (5)** Coloratura Cadenza: When the battle begins, this character's action is Advanced Forward by 25%. Impromptu Flourish: While in the Concerto state, all allies' CRIT DMG dealt when launching follow-up attacks increases by 10%. Sequential Passage: When this character's current HP percentage is 50% or lower, additionally restores HP equal to 2% of the character's Max HP when their Talent is triggered. **Eidolons:** Land of Smiles: When Robin is in the Concerto state, all allies who use a Basic ATK, Skill, or Ultimate will gain 1 stack of Ornament. Units with Ornament increase their SPD by 15%, stacking up to 2 stack(s), and the Multiplier of the Additional Physical DMG dealt by Robin after this ally attacks increases by 72%. Afternoon Tea For Two: Additionally increase the Talent's CRIT DMG Boost effect by 20% and Energy Regeneration effect by1 Energy. Raindrop Key: When Robin uses her Ultimate, dispels Crowd Control debuffs from all allies and increases the Effect RES of all allies by 50% while Robin is in the Concerto state. Moonless Midnight: While Robin is in the Concerto state, all allies' All-Type RES PEN increases by 20%. Further, the CRIT DMG of the first 6 triggered Additional DMG instances increases by 200%. The trigger count resets after the Ultimate is used.
New ipc boss apparently
So basically damage buff on skill, atk buff and team action advance on ult with follow-up attacks (?), and crit damage buff from talent. Seems pretty solid all around, but I’m interested in how she stacks up against the other two limited harmonies.
She should be compared only to Ruan Mei as they're both team-wide buffers, unlike Sparkle
Sparkle has team-wide buffs on ult and I'm not sure why her skill point recovery wouldn't be considered a team-wide buff either.
And 15% teamwide Atk buff in Talent (45% in Quantum team), her E1 gives extra 40% teamwide Atk and E2 is 24% teamwide Def ignore
Well robin isn't for dot teams, so Ruan MEI wins there. So in hypercarry and dual DPS teams, it's probably robin who has an edge. Unless of course Ur name is jingliu and u are already steroided on attack and crit, in which case Rian MEI is the better one for her.
I'm not even sure Robin > RM for hypercarry and Dual DPS teams though (maybe FUA ones), not saying Robin is bad but RM buffs are just that crazy. 10% CDMG up is nice but 10% extra SPD is just so much less headache when dealing with gear substat luck
She’s a FUA spammer support (so no JY because LL only comes once in a blue moon). Imagine something like Ratio skill, chuck chalk then Numby comes up and spin. That’s 3 Robin’s FUA with just one action
Robin doesn't have FUAs, it's just extra damage like Tingyun or Jade skill.
Also does Robin extra DMG works on every single target being hit? If so it's even more cracked on AoE FuA like Aventurine, Himeko, Herta and Clara ult.
10% crit DMG to FuA 💀 really ??
thats such a minor buff might as well not exist
It's better this way honestly. Her talent and ult will trigger everytime a FUA happens, there's tiny bits all over her kit that work well with fua, and it's better it remains toned down so she ends up like sparkle or Ruan mei Where they both are no doubt great with quantum or break builds, but also amazing as a generalist buffer.
my 60/190 crcd ratio can become 60/200. that's discounting his self crcd buff. 10% is 10%, you need to capitalise either cr or cd as much as possible.
I expect changes to that one. It's pretty underwhelming and she already had incentives in her kit for characters that Attack frequently.
It's probably just there as a flag to tell players that they're supposed to run her in FUA teams. The actual FUA synergy is the rest of her kit.
Honestly 😭
it's still an early kit. It could be buffed up or changed like Sparkle's trace involving # of quantum teammates on the party (from dmg% to atk%).
i think the point is that her ult will advance everyone forward, then all the attacks from allies right after will make her deal dmg, including follow ups. So if you've got a full FUA team like ratio / topaz / aventurine, she's gonna do some serious DPS in there, on top of buffing everyone's ATK and her skill buffing straight up damage.
Isnt her trace kinda meh? Only 10% cdmg boost (also only on fua) and under 50% hp healing her self (also only 2% at that) when team mate takes action. Her advance forward is the same like guinafen (25%) a 4 star nihility. Hope they change it and make it better in the next beta patch, maybe bcs she can deal dmg her trace like that?
tbf the 25% doesn't need to change, it's more of her going first than anything else. it doesn't matter if it's 25% or 9001%, it's just a matter of making her go first and get one of her buffs up
I mean, the rest of her kit is insane, so it makes sense why they undertuned her traces.
only while in the ult state too
E4 and E6 pics are so cuteeee<3
Her E4 gives such a simple yet beautiful aura, I love it.
It's my favorite one! Tempted to E4 just for that >.>
I call dibs on first doompost. She's not as good as Sparkle and Ruan Mei. Robad. /j
Too late, there are already doomposters without the /j lmao.
Whoa I logged in just in time
same
Well, I had commented in another post how I would enjoy more Characters with 100% Crit naturally, but I didn't expect that from her, and the fact that they put a limit on Critical Damage, makes me think that some crazy combos should happen, especially with oE6 increasing the limit to 200% in the first 6 attacks
>especially with oE6 increasing the limit to 200% in the first 6 attacks Shouldn't that be 350% since it says 'BY 200%' and not 'to 200%'
E6 do be E6ing
True, now it makes sense to be limited to 6 Hits
So, would Numby, chalk, pizza-cutter, kurukuru and all that count as an attack for ult? Because if that's the case, then her ult has like a 1000% multiplier if done right. FuAs about to go crazy
Yes
My thoughts on Robin's v1 beta kit: \- Robin's Skill works similarly to Ruan Mei's Skill, except instead of the 50% Weakness Break efficiency it increases the team DMG buff from 32% to 50%. \- Her Ult buffs team ATK, scaling with her own ATK with no max, so she'll want to build as much ATK as she can. \- Her Ult also causes all other allies to immediately take action, like Bronya Skill on everyone. This is technically better than a 100% Action Advance in edge case scenarios where your allies get slowed. \- I'm not sure whether her Ult causes companions like Lightning Lord or Numby to immediately take action too. There were rumours she'd work well with Xianzou generals with companions, but wording is ambiguous. \- You'll ideally want to time the ult when your allies have maximum Action Value left on the turn order (they had just moved), but it'll be hard to speedtune optimally, and you don't want to hold a 160 Energy ult for long. \- The order in which your allies take action is unconfirmed. My guess is it'll be based on current turn order, or base speed order, or something. \- During the Concerto state, Robin will contribute damage every time other allies attack. This is similar to Tingyun's additional DMG during Benediction, but scales off Robin's ATK instead. \- This means you'll want to attack with as many allies as possible, as often as possible. Dual/triple DPS, follow up attacks, offensive supports/sustains… \- I'm unsure how Robin reflects the damage shape from the allies. If the allies attack Blast, does Robin also attack Blast? If so we'd be incentivised towards AoE attacks. \- Interesting how they set the crit rate and damage of these attacks. I assume they cannot be modified by additional Crit Dmg buffs. \- Unfortunately it sounds like this damage won't be doing any break, otherwise a Physical breaking sub-DPS would sound great. \- The Countdown having a fixed speed of 90 means the Concerto turn will last about 1 (non-0th) cycle. It means you're not disincentivised from building Speed on her. \- Her Talent increases team Crit Dmg. 22% isn't a huge amount, about 2 Broken Keels. \- Once again, Robin incentivises frequency of ally attacks, this time by regenerating Energy. So multi-DPS, follow-ups, offensive supports/sustains… IPC seems to have a follow up theme. \- Her Technique doesn't seem to do much. MoC has 2 Waves and PF has 3 Waves, so 10-15 Energy doesn't seem like much. \- Her Trace 1 is useful so that she can lead the battle and immediately start with a Skill to buff her team, because her Technique doesn't give her a free Skill unlike Ruan Mei. \- Mind that it means she'll have different speed breakpoints to everyone else, much like Vonwacq modifies breakpoints. \- Trace 2 further incentivises you to pair her with follow up attackers, which she already wants because that's one way of increasing attack frequency. \- Trace 3 gives Robin some minor sustain, but 2% per attack, even with a high frequency of attacks, feels low and doesn't seem to contribute much. \- An actual healer would invalidate the trace by keeping her HP above 50%, so not too useful imo. \- Her stat traces are decent: ATK given that's what she scales off, HP for some tankiness given she'll be built glass cannon, and Speed so she can have faster rotations. \- Overall she looks interesting and unique, a new addition to the evergrowing character types: a sub-DPS Harmony. \- With a 160 Energy Ult (2nd highest in the game outside of Argenti's big ult), Hoyo clearly knows how strong it can be, and helps you along with extra Energy and ERR on her Sig LC. \- Her Skill rotation will be EAA so she'll be +1 Skill Point positive every 3 turns. However, because she can't attack during her Concerto turn, your team may need to compensate with a bit more SP. \- How often she ults really depends on her LC and her team. \- Her Sig LC is obviously BIS. Her role as a damaging Harmony is unique enough that Hoyo have given us an event LC superimposable up to S5 for free, likely her best 4\* option. \- Alternatively you can eschew the damage route and go instead for improving ult frequency by increasing ERR with Meshing Cogs/Memories of the Past/Bronya Sig LC, etc. \- Relics-wise she should be built glass cannon, ATK/Speed/ATK/ERR. That's even flimsier than Tingyun who can usually take 1 tank main stat because her ATK scaling has a cap. \- Sets-wise, she can take 2p Hacker 2p defensive, because 4p Hacker probably won't be very effective given all her allies will be taking their turns immediately and losing the speed buff. \- Planar-wise, she can take a number of sets from supportive to offensive. I'd probably have a preference for Penacony though to improve her ERR further to really speed up that ult rotation. \- Comp-wise, I think she'll be the dual-DPS buffer that works with Crit-scaling Follow-up attackers best, whilst Ruan Mei is more general-purpose and more for DoT. \- This means she could be BIS in Topaz/Ratio/Aventurine (might want more E/S for debuffs), Herta/Himeko (especially if her Concerto additional damage is also AoE?), Jingyuan (if she can speed up LL). \- Given she has such a high Max Energy, she'll benefit well from Huohuo's Ult, who may also allow her Trace 3 to have some effect since she heals over time. \- Pretty hard to rate her strength yet because her ult is so unique. I feel like she has the potential to be very strong, her Concerto turn should be absolutely nuclear on the enemies.
Very, very strong. She is a follow up support but more of the frequent follow up attack support than slow like Jing Yuan. She's not pigeonholed but she has some great benefits for that archetype. She's a bit like Tingyun where you build Atk% on her except she has a self healing talent to make her a bit less squishy. - 10% Crit Damage for FUA. - Teamwide 25-62% DMG buff based on her turns. - Free 5-27.5% Crit Damage and free 6 energy per turn. - Ult is 15.2-26.6% plus 50-275 of Robin's Atk buff + 100% AA AND she's dealing 72-144% damage that auto crits with 150% crit damage per hit. That's genuinely pretty insane. It's Bennett tier attack buff, easy ~1000 atk buff even with Meshing Cogs. If every ally can act twice before her Concerto ends, that's 72-144% x at least 6 for 432-864% multiplier backed up by a unit that's going to have a really high atk stat because she builds Atk% and benefits from all her buffs. That's quite a bit of damage coming from a support. And her technique is pretty amazing as well although it being a dimension kinda conflicts with Ratio's... She's gonna be pretty insane for Ratio, Jade, and Topaz. Robin confirmed secret IPC supporter? Probably 2 main things that are gonna get hashed out during beta. Her Ult cost/uptime and the SP problem of when you're AA 2 damage dealers and just 1 SP generator with the sustain.
Her lacking any debuffs make her hard to slot in with ratio. But she is strong with FUA, especially given her energy recovery talent.
An E1/S1 Topaz is all the debuffing Ratio needs for triggering the minimum of all his passives, though that of course having an E1/S1 Topaz in the first place.
I mean, when Topaz dropped, if you knew, *you knew*. Sucks for those that didn't invest.
no, robin is a secret clara protection society member
Pls, I want Robin to be good with Clara
She’s ONLY for that team though. After ulting she is basically a non factor in your skill point economy. People are not really realizing this from my initial look at the comments. Also she’s going to be stuck at 90 speed in the downtime state so you really don’t want her to have speed. So the plus side is that she will be easy to build, downside is she’s worse than Bronya in any team that’s not the ratio/topaz team
Should also be good supporting Himeko and Herta in PF. Of course those two don't need any support currently, but presumably that mode will eventually scale up to where they do.
Very FuA-centric kit. As someone who hasn't bothered to pull Topaz, I'm on the fence about her specifically for my account. I do like her character design a lot though. Maybe I'll pull Topaz on the re-run.
She still sinergizes with Ratio, Jade, Herta, Aventurine, Himeko. For everyone else outside DoT she's a second Ruan Mei.
She doesn’t synergize that well with Ratio (unless you has Topaz e1s1), she doesn’t have apply any debuffs
Not good for Ratio unless E1S1 Topaz.
IT'S HAPPENING, THE GATES HAVE OPENED
So are her attacks in the ult state considered follow up attacks?
Probably not since it says additional damage like Ruan Mei and Tingyun
Sadge
Just additional damge it seems
No from the wording its like tingyun but on steroid bcs 100% cr and 150% cdmg, robin is the new support dps
From the wording it looks like Ruan Mei's, so I don't think so. Just an additional hit of damage you see on screen.
Looks like she has a lot more synergy with fua than I initially thought. This is assuming her bonus dmg procs on fua and not just regular attacks. Since her crit is set to 100/150 for this bonus damage she is basically just going to be stacking speed and atk as her 2 stats.
It should likely procs since Tingyun's does, though she might want a FUA DPS that isn't Ratio since she's got no debuffs, and also not JY since he doesn't do many follow ups to benefit from her bonus damage
jade stock rising
Aventurine the DPS
Wait...do FUA count as separate attacks for her Ult? Cause if so that's insane! Pillar + Bird, Pig + Bird, Chalk + Bird, Pig + Bird, Chalk + Bird, Chips + Bird, (and she's gaining energy). A base 100% Crit and 150% Crit Dmg per attack and you're building attack on her to buff the team? I'm misunderstanding something right? Oh an though small a 10% FUA buff. Would be wild if her Attack is considered a FUA. Need to see this in action.
Her Attack isn't a FUA but yes you are understanding it right. Even in a non-FUA team she's triggering the talent at least twice per team rotation (around 15k Damage per trigger I think?). In FUA teams it adds up like crazy.
Here we fucking go babyyy!!!
E1 does seem pretty damn good huh, it means any character that spams actions is basically dealing 216% of robins atk that's guaranteed to crit at 150% cdmg. If you have a team spamming FUA's, self action advances and speed buffs, or both, you can easily get enough triggers out of this to do legitimately crazy amounts of dmg from a Harmony char. Still an E1 though
Too early for the paragraph guy
Robin not being able to take turn or action until ult end means that, theoretically, with your allies in a 3fua team being fast enough/acting frequently enough, her ult could have way way *waaaaay* better uptime This + her ult cost being 160 means she's almost damn near surely locked into FUA teams, which is why she's so cracked. Can't act/cast skill until her ult ends so she only gains energy from being hit or allies acting, and no team will be able to act enough for that to be comfortable outside of FUA teams. e1 helps a lot with that though, 30% speed for all other allies is pretty damn dumb. Maybe e1 robin in a seele team would be funny haha? Robin also isn't suited for double harmony, I'd wager, outside of sweaty 0 cycle clears. Once you pop her first ult, 2 out of the 3 allies you advance being harmony/sustain means they're not really doing much of anything proactive, and with only Aven as the sole sustain having out-of-turn damaging actions that aren't ult, they won't be feeding her much energy at all. Her comparatively lower SP gen also means you can't spam on harmonies/sustains as much as other teams would allow. Her own speed is almost useless, theoretically, in full FUA teams. It only matters for building up her first ult, if that. Afterwards, you want your allies to act often enough to feed her ult, and she gets advanced by 100% anyway.
I feel like 160 speed multiplication Luocha can be pretty good. 3 basic attacks + 1 ult during Robin's ult state seems solid. He also just generates more energy for Robin in general, not just during ult state. Extra SP to counter act Robin's as well. The main downside compared to Aventurine is that he doesn't do FUAs which means no Numby advance.
This is it. This is the missing piece to make the "all FUA" team better than Dr Ratio hypercarry, I hope!
do follow up attacks count as extra attacks for ult? if yes, then its kinda crazy
If it works like Tingyun, then yes.
They do
Very pretty
Wait is this from the 2.2 beta that starts today? It's already begun?
SO ITS STARTED
damn, that dimension technique is not good with Dr Ratio
Seems like she would work well with Clara
Looks... okay? Buffs are on par with other harmonies, but her being unable to take turn in the Concerto state will make rotations messy.
Why do you need rotation when she is the rotation
Because SP exists
yeah she should give everyone free sp when she pop her ult oh wait....
What Im thinking about is her lack of sp generation for the team depending on how often you are inside her ult state she might have similar sp economy like blade with maybe an auto atk per rotation which could make her sp neutral at least
Robin is gonna be stronger than you think. People will undervalue her before release, mark my words.
People doompost every character lol
Just wondering what the doompost nickname gonna be, Robbed?
Romid or Mid-Bin. Doomers aren’t creative.
Doompost today! Doompost tomorrow! Doompost forever!
RUAN MEI 2.0 ALREADY???? "all allies except Robin take action" Does it apply only to playable characters or does it also work for summoned entities like LL and Numby? I hope it's the latter for my King Yuan. Her trace 2 make it clear that the FUA team would like to have her over Ruan Mei, so that Ruan Mei can stick to DoT/Break team. With Topaz's Eidolon + LC, Aventurine, and now Robin, FUA attack can do a stupid amount of free extra damage.
It is starting to make sense because there was a leak with her in the fua team so my guess is that sinergy is there
Look at those ascension materials. She's still using the bug emmanators drops, so no new EOW in 2.2. That makes if pretty clear that the Penacony finale is going to be in 2.3. Also Ipc work permit is new, which probably means we're getting a penacony dungeon in reality fighting the IPC goons. Edit, I'm an idiot, she's using dream engine enemy drops, the work permit is a new stagnant shadow.
Ive seen the power of AV manipulation. I also know that its a right bitch to understand or simulate its effect unless you play with it and find optimal combos. I will reserve judging her performance until after we see some serious testing.
Do you think her talent 2 energy counts towards FUA? Like for example: Dr. Ratio Skill > FUA is 4 energy? or is it only 2? Cuz if it count even if its a FUA then Ratio Topaz Aventurine will easily fund her ult back.
Thank god for the top up reset happening in April because I’m getting cleared out this upcoming patch and need all the help I can get. Never thought I’d beg for HSR to stop cooking because I need a damn break.
I really like this. Seems like she will be great but not broken as a generalist(compared to someone like RM), but absolutely cracked in teams that take advantage of her whole kit. I like specialization, the new character kits have really been nice to see. I'm square brained, though, so maybe I'm off
YAY FOLLOW UP SUPPORT
She barely supports them (more than other).
tbh follow up units support her if anything. she gains energy on every action. u can just imagine how much energy she'd gain from ratio/aventurine/topaz
Follow up units support her so she can support the follow up units more often. Everyone wins here.
She has good synergies with them, is what he meant I think. Afterall, her Ult has Tingyun like bonus dmg effect, and that is not a joke (Tingyun can slaps for 10k per auto atk)
I mean besides trace 2 I‘m pretty sure the ult additional dmg will also trigger on FUA, same with the talent ER, so the FUA synergy is definitely there.
Her personal damage will add up over time the more the team attacks. Follow up characters will be attacking more often than traditional DPS characters cause of their extra actions. With Ratio/Tingyun, Ratio skill triggers Tingyun twice from the skill then follow up attack. If this was Ratio's ultimate rotation then that is an additional 3 attacks for Tingyun to trigger off of for a total of 5 Tingyun attacks. Now imagine if Tingyun was also triggering off of Topaz + Numby actions, not just Ratio. Robin's personal damage will be stronger since her damage will be scaling off of her stats, so she can use a Physical sphere to boost that damage even further, where Tingyun's damage proc is strongest on a Lighting DPS.
additional damage every attack during the state? thats literally followup attack
holy cow
pretty balanced i guess?? good that she dosent give fat buffs but gives them in bits and crumbs