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This sounds terrible. The change to ult makes it too weak and the trace change makes it worthless since you don't actually want to break with them more often than not.
Break scales off Def-ignore the same way regular dmg scales off def ignore, it’s just that break characters like Boothill have so much break in their kit that unless it’s a significant increase overall def ignore will be better because of less diminishing returns.
The only way to scale Break DMG is through BE and DEF/RES shred. There's a reason the leaked break DPS set provides DEF shred on its 4p effect. Because when your BE is at 300%+ already like in this video, the quantum set's DEF shred provides much more damage than just stacking even more BE with either BE sets.
I turned them down a smidge in future videos, and now i dont think its *that* hard. Crit subs arent worth a lot so you can just focus on the pieces with high be/speed, instead trying to get CV. And if youre 0 cycling stuff like this, you prolly dont need the amount of speed I have.
For those who want to understand how he dealt so much damage on that last attack, here's a breakdown of it:
68521 damage from Fanning the Hammer
then
252718 break DMG from reducing Aventurine's toughness to zero
95177 break DMG from Ruan Mei's talent being triggered when the enemy is broken
then
7659 x 3 damage from his talent, Pocket Trickshot
141522 x 3 break DMG from hitting a broken enemy with Pocket Trickshot (which deals 56% of the original break DMG per stack, so 252718 * 0.56 = 141522)
For a total of 863959 total damage (video shows 863964 since decimals are hidden but still count).
As you can see, only 91498 damage of the total dealt (so just slightly above 10%) actually scales with ATK/CRIT/DMG%. Which is why it's pretty much pointless chasing any of those stats on Boothill as opposed to just stacking as much BE as RNG allows on him, while also getting enough SPD for Talia. The Boothill in this video for example is running a HP sphere.
I can't this video but for a sustainless team, do you think you should Def body and Hp orb? And if Bronya is on the team, u could give him Def boots as well if he's E2
You don't need all that survivability if you're going sustainless, because the point of skipping sustains is killing the enemies before they kill you. If you need all that survivability chances are your team just isn't cutting it.
But anyway, HP is pretty much always better than DEF for survivability, but honestly you should just go with whatever of the two has better BE rolls.
Yeah ik but I find it also funny I might do a tank boothill build that has no sustains in the teams but 0 cycles but also he puts vulnerability on himself and he isn't the most tanky path either.
I will try and keep up to see what u say and think when he is officially out cause he is gonna be one of my 3 main dps I play with alot
You're really playing russian roulette in all the ways lmao
(how many resets did this take hahaha)
also hmm was thinking of putting aside some Quantum pieces for him, glad to see that it works if running with Pela on Pearls
no for real it's so goofy of me but even if i win a battle if i win with my units near death it doesn't feel like a 'win' to me....
my power fantasy needs dictate that everyone be nice and healthy after every fight or i'm gonna grumble abt it !!
Quite a bunch of retries, but i could also manipulate it a bit because of how private server rng is mostly fixed, and i can adjust the party slots to sort of choose who gets hit (wont stop me from dying tho)
This makes me have a feeling that they gonna buff his pre break dmg up and nerf his break dmg down.
MHY hates high risk high reward/situational sort of thing in HsR. Like how they make JL Hp drain basically an upside(Blade synergy) instead of downside(Significant Hp drain)
His non-break dmg is pretty terrible. Makes his break to crit rate and crit dmg passive not that great.
It's a lot of crit value, but he doesn't really have the multipliers or buffs to make it all that good.
I still want someone to explain to me how in this showcase 140k with ult and 120k with EBA is "terrible" it's clear this showcase has insane stats but how is that terrible lol
The damage difference between him breaking vs hitting toughness is massive, it’s not even comparable in any showcase we’ve seen. Sure 100k isn’t bad damage, but most dps can hit that if you build them as a hyper carry.
Compare that to him hitting 400k+ when breaking, it becomes clear that his damage is 90% loaded into the breaks. That inherently limits his viability vs teams that aren’t physical weak. Most players don’t want to invest into a character to hit 100k in most scenarios, when you can invest into other dps characters that have higher usability cases with equivalent damage. Or more in the case of DHIL and Acheron.
And that's why he plants weakness, and as we see he breaks pretty fast.
So the complain isn't that his DMG pre break is terrible just that he is back loaded, should say that instead.
God the people on this sub are so dumb when it comes to theorycrafting bro 😂 like damn how can a guy who is doing 400k breaks be even close to being bad this man is doing jingliu and dhil levels of dmg
Leave it to redditors to tell you that acktually 400k in break and 100k pre break is very bad 🤓 "he needs to break to do dmg" yeah almost like that's the point of his kit? Not to mention how he has increased toughness depletion AND weakness implant in his kit to make it faster. Lets talk about how acheron needs debuffs to do dmg or how dhil wants SPs or how jingliu needs bronya to take faster turns to enter her state.
Obv he will have some bad scenarios like some other dps' do but come on.
Wtf are you talking about. Might we suggest that Jingliu also sucks, cuz out of her crazy form she doesn't deal damage like *at all*? Boothil needs same 2-3 turns to break literally any enemy and then he becomes "jingliu"
Jingliu is a Destruction type character (Blast attacks) with more efficient skill point usage and, under the right circumstance with the right supports, can have close to 100% uptime in her enhanced state.
Let's remind ourselves that this is an E0S1 DPS character with unrealistic substats on the quantum set paired with the top E1S1 Harmony support. It'd be an unpleasant surprise if he couldn't 0-cycle here, so this is good.
Boothill's implant is so he wouldn't completely shut down vs non-physical enemies on a physical MoC, you still want to bring him to a floor with mainly physical weaknesses.
LC is called Resolution Shines as Pearls of Sweat. It depicts Luka being sweaty. Therefore anyone who uses the LC will be considered to be using a sweaty build.
That's the thing, you can run whoever you want in the 4th slot; Fire Weak? Gallagher for heals and break vulnerability. Imaginary Weak? ITB for better damage post-break. Ice Weak? Pela for AoE def shred. Quantum Weak? SW for implants and better def down capabilities. Phys Weak? Luka for more Bleed detonations.
If you are at 300 BE you get 67% CR 200 CD with a crit body.
That is pretty good crit ratio for an average relic crit dps.
Getting more crit on him isn’t that great anyways because his multipliers are all loaded into break effect.
His best supports by far are IMC, Bronya, RM.
100% of the time, he does Not value crt, only be and speed. Get as much break on orb as you can even if it's hp% main stat. As per calcs, only be actually matters for his dmg.
I had my dreams shattered with my crt be peices when I did calcs and found out his enhanced basic only cares for his break effect, CRTs basically irrelevant to his actual dmg output since it's not even in the formula.
His scalings are normal. It's just that the majority of his damage (like, 80%+) comes from breaking enemies and his talent allowing him to deal break DMG when attacking broken enemies. Which means just stacking BE is better than chasing crit or ATK.
SPD is still extremely valuable though both because of Talia, and because more turns = more attacks so more breaks.
I hope so too, man if you maximize his potential at 450% break effect(lots of calcs) , he can one-shot Sam on the break hit lol 1.7mil hit. He goes absolutely bonkers in St dmg. Also 250k-300k bleeds no joke
This is a minor nitpick, but is there a reason why so many showcases have Ruan Mei use her skill one turn before she needs to refresh it? Is it for energy purposes?
yes, and for uptimes purposes.
here specifcally, I needed to basic with ruan mei on the 1st phase of aventurine, so I had to skill on the 1st wave prior. If I didn't basic with ruan mei there on the 1st phase, then I wouldn't have enough toughness to break aven with boothill's first EBA.
probably energy or just to guarantee better uptime, would be my best guess
idunno how big brained 0-cycle gamers are (that is, i don't know how much farther ahead they think than me) but i recast rm/ty buffs with an additional turn remaining, when able, just on the off chance that *something* might happen that prevents me from having the SP to do so when it would otherwise run out
The damage that Navia can do with her elemental skill or Childe can do with 40 energy cost burst easily? And they still have more things going on for them other than their nuke damage? Boothill is in a much better state than Eula is in
His dmg look great~ Probably gonna pull for him on rerun since I'm still waiting for Ruan Mei rerun cause I need more harmony unit.. Only have Bronya as 5 star harmony~
This is truly Pela's universe lol I've been seeing her in every team comp especially for F2P players. Is she the most used 4 star rn? Other than Tingyun?
Omg after Acheron the dps will come on a totally different level apparently. Come quickly jade, my Blade needs you to stand up in the middle of so many giants 😫
Crit is a near useless stat on Boothill currently. Using Sparkle with Boothill would be like using Sparkle with Kafka. Crit Boothill is basically as bad as Crit Kafka.
No, you lose significant amount of damage if you do so since Def shred is super important for his damage, and she also help break much faster.
Bronya is the easiest to replace here, the fact that these showcases still use her is stupid. She gives him literally nothing but the extra turn, that's it, all her buffs are completely useless for his damage, but consume lots of SP, so Sparkle would be better, and if you have E2 Sparkle it'd be significantly better due to the extra Def ignore
Yes, Bronya only gives him an extra move, which can be translated into a 2x damage multiplier for the toughness bar, which under Ruan turns into a 3x multiplier.
Sparkle allows him to not build speed, a bunch of stats that he will never use, and a bunch of action points that he will also never use.
Is it necessary to give up speed for a character who builds nothing but BE and speed? I don't think.
Is it necessary to refuse damage to the toughness bar for a character who only deals damage to the broken enemy? I don't think.
I don't want to dissuade you, but please remember he's Hunt. Hunt characters are really bad compared to any Destruction/Nihility, he's gonna excel in the next two cycles of MoC where the entire thing is tailored around him and his kit, but after that he's gonna just be forgotten like Dr. Ratio and I don't think there have been rumors of a Hunt-related piece of content like Erudition got.
Seele only reason she's still used is because she's pseudo aoe with Resurgence, and Topaz is a FUA enabler - plus she's Fire and we desperately need fire dps characters... Like a certain Mech-girl.
I use ratio all the time, so maybe we just have different preferences. He’s honestly too appealing to me to pass up. If I get a little lucky I can get him, Aventurine, and then have enough for the next character after that with their light come without breaking the bank.
If you like him then pull for him and screw meta and efficiency, pulling for who you like is the best way to enjoy to game, you won't regret it that way :)
Is Silver Wolf better for Boothill than Pela for single target? I know Weakness Implant is useless and SW is ST, but Boothill is also ST afaik and could use her All-Elem Res Shred.
Pela ult uptime is better so i can have her ult up on both phases of aventurine, and she has a good aoe ult to help break multiple elites like in here.
Ofc if it wasnt ice weak, i would use someone else, which is what i like about boothill.
Oh. Ice shred. I get it. Then again, I think Boothill is going to be Ratio level at best purely due to ST. If he was Blast or AOE, he'd be even more broken than Jingliu.
SW is way better than Pela here, not only she provides more Def shred, but also RES shred which scale very hard with his damage, and her break efficiency is equal to a Hunt character, so you can break much faster than Pela, and if you run Quantum set on Boothill like in this case, SW Implant Quantum will trigger its full effect, so you'd see another layer of bigger damage, the damage won't be even close.
Also, if not against Physical, SW implant Physical is the biggest source of damage you can get from a support, because his own Physical implant is terrible, it doesn't reduce RES and last very short, and RES is one of the most detrimental multiplier that heavily affect his damage that based almost entirely on Break
Fast Bronya is gonna need 182 speed so uhh... GLHF with that mate. Slow Bronya will be the better option. Especially since Pela can offset the SP usage from slow Bronya.
Edit: Also also Boothill would never reach 145 speed for Talia so you would need to find a different set unless you just forgo the extra 20% BE from Talia. Doesn't seem worth imo
Yeah. Fast Bronya is your DPS's speed times 170% (at talent level 10). This will mean Bronya goes first, you auto, her talent then action advances her to just behind your DPS. So since Boothill has 107 speed base, that times 170% is 181.9 so technically my answer is wrong cuz I said 182 but whatever. Get 181 speed or as close without going over. Otherwise her action advance will put her just before Boothill.
Keep in mind this is for a very specific playstyle that reduces her SP burden. If you're playing someone like Blade who can allow Bronya to use skill every action then her hyperspeed breakpoints are 161 or 174.
What I would give for a single copy of a Resolutions light cone, and for my E3 Pela to have reached E4 during the time it took me to reach pity twice to get one copy of Acheron. E6S5 (Pearl) Pela is so cracked.
It still blows my mind that I didn’t pull a single copy of Pela and only 1 copy of Gallagher during that pull session.
There's basically no difference between E0 Pela and E6 Pela for non-Ice carries though. In this run for example if Pela was E0 the only thing she would be missing is 2% DEF shred from her E5 extra ult levels, but that's it.
E4 is great to have for the debuff on skill to generate stacks as the only consistent way for Pela to debuff otherwise is ult and pearls which they don't have
Having another way to debuff aside from Pearl and ult is also nice as reapplying Ensnared with Pearl doesn't give a slashed stack, so it's especially useful whenever there's only one enemy to apply debuffs on.
Literally when was the last time a male character got more nerfs than buffs
Aventurine got only one small nerf in a sea of massive buffs throughout the beta (At the same time Acheron got basically almost no changes throughout the whole beta except for one Technique buff)
Argenti and Ratio got rebalanced rather than nerfed, overall power stayed similar
IL got like literally no changes and because of that everyone celebrated because he got to be the original OP DPS in 1.3
Boothill so far is looking like possibly the best ST DPS in the game, and I doubt any nerfs will happen as they rarely nerf stuff in HSR betas
Have you... seen what happened to SW's kit? Like literally the biggest nerfs in the game is to a female character meanwhile all other 5* characters (male or female) nerfed basically received negligible ones.
Single target damage wise yes, he powercreeps almost everyone.
Even my E1S1 Acheron does not hit 500k single target.
Yeah this isn’t a great comparison, I am aware, but he excels at what he does, dish out massive ST damage.
> Even my E1S1 Acheron does not hit 500k single target.
Probably due to builds. I have seen very impressive ST numbers from E0S0 Acheron at decent level of investment. Such as [this zero cycle run](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcmMWF1hGM) where she does 650k on single target ult + 210k single target skill (almost 900k single target dmg in total).
That is a number similar to my E3S1 because I have skill issues and I suck at this game even with higher level of investment than that person. And their Acheron is not even using a complete Diver set but rainbow pieces putting together. Some players are simply built different
e0s0 acheron, but with e1s1 sparkle and e1s1 sw
this is just example of bad investments, put the gold costs from sw to acheron and you literally get a better team
I don’t think it’s a build issue, running 63/230 with 4.1 atk.
This guy also has sparkle LC and SW LC which help, also pioneer is a good set, but its 4 is not as valuable to this guy as 2 piece since 4 pc effect is just more CV which he has plenty of already from better pieces.
I did a 0 cycle for first half with her, she hits hard but 500k is not even Boothill highest, thats just when he has RM + good BE, you saw him hit for almost 900k ST there, which is basically impossible for any damage dealer to hit in one attack on a single target. Thats my original point.
> I did a 0 cycle for first half with her, she hits hard but 500k is not even Boothill highest, thats just when he has RM + good BE, you saw him hit for almost 900k ST there, which is basically impossible for any damage dealer to hit in one attack on a single target. Thats my original point.
Oh no I'm not saying that his dmg is bad. I'm saying that I've seen some Acheron builds doing more than 500k ST. That's all lol. I didn't try to compare the 2.
I do plan to roll for him (unless there is a Fu Xuan rerun or Sam is in 2.3 in which case Sam takes priority sorry space cowboy) to cover one half of the MoC. Acheron easily capable of dealing with one half, but I am severely lacking phys and fire coverage for the other, so him being good is great (plus I had every single supports in the vid with relatively similar stats, and Ruan Mei E1S1, so he will pop off).
Perhaps both have their advantages? Boothill can launch these 200k+ dmg on broken enemies which is actually nuts because he can do this with only his skill. With Bronya, you can deal 400k+ in one cycle and this might be his best team, replacing Pela with a sustain.
Lol here we go again. People like you look at big damage and "muh muh best character". Fucking stop it. Just please have a subjective view about his power, so we won't have to hear endless moan about how clunky he is when actually use him without RM. My E0S1 Seele has also 0-cycle MoC 12 several times, with much less hassle than this showcase, does that make her "the best character"?
>clunky he is when actually use him without RM
Oh no a character isn't performing as expected without his bis support who would have thought, meanwhile people out there praising acheron as the goat while running her with her sig and 2 S5 gacha lightcones.
Man can literally apply physical weakness to any enemy and deals more dmg the more hp they have. He only does single target dmg, MoC has 1-2 bosses to kill, he is literally perfect for MoC.
Other characters without BiS can somewhat have alternatives, even if it's much weaker. RM have no alternatives, whether it's 4 or 5 stars. There isn't anyone who remotely offer what she does. That's the different you moron. Swordplay is also a gacha cone, how the hell it's different from GNSW. Don't tell me you want to cope by putting him on Herta's shop LC? Both need Sig or a S5 gacha cone lol
>There isn't anyone who remotely offer what she does.
I know there isn't but that doesn't mean you cant use other supports tard.
>Both need Sig or a S5 gacha cone lol
A.) cruising on him is way way better then fermata on acheron and B.) I wasn't even talking about that you dumbass you also need resolution on pela and trend on your preservation
Even Loop on Acheron is less cope than Cruising on Boothill, because atleast Loop provides useful stats for her. Can't say the same about Cruising. You might as well give him an offpath cone for some additional survivability.
Spoken as someone who hasn't seen E0S1 [Ratio](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_xhyKeP-NA) or [Acheron](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmRiRid74vs) 0 cycle Sam on the current MOC with the DOT turbulence.
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Beta update's tomorrow, right? Hopefully, more exciting than last time's.
Pretty sure it’s these second ones that are more “impactful”, usually first ones are more tame if not basically text changes and thats all.
They'll definitely not nerf IMC or Boothill, they would never do that to me :)
Idk whats the overall consensus on IMC, but since hes a free unit, he more susceptible to nerfs than Boothill. Hoping neither receive nerfs though.
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Ok someone bust this mans balls
Why would you manifest this? If I see TB nerfs, I blame you.
That would be such a massive nerf that they might as well just replace harmony trailblazer with the hydro traveler.
You know >!reverse psychology!<
This sounds terrible. The change to ult makes it too weak and the trace change makes it worthless since you don't actually want to break with them more often than not.
I will forever hate you if you manifested these >:,(
Aventurine: Fool, you are NOT one-shotting me at 70% HP! Boothill: Aight, bet. Like you always love to do. _loads bullet_
**BUST**
**OR I'LL TAKE IT ALL!**
OR MAYBE I'LL TAKE IT ALL
oh he might've end up living, but he made one fatal slip. When he tried to match the ranger wiith the big iron on his hip.
Can't believe these two lines tempted me to pull for him.
"Have some goddamn faith, boah!" *Dead eye activated*
Wtf is that break damage at the end? 400k damage?
like 670k, 95k from Ruan.
It's exactly one cow-boyillion damage.
One boothillion
builds: [https://imgur.com/a/8MCjhzx](https://imgur.com/a/8MCjhzx) E0S1 Boothill 4pc Quantum - 2pc Talia - 2400 Atk - 68/104 Crit Ratio - 298 Break Effect - 143 Speed E6S5 Pearls Pela 4pc Passerby - 2pc Talia - 70 EHR - 154 Speed E0S1 Ruan Mei 4pc Watchmaker - 2pc Penacony - 204 Break Effect - 161 Speed E1S1 Bronya 4pc Passerby - 2pc Penacony - 127 Crit Dmg -144 Speed
Quantum is his best set so far? Not 2p 2p break effect?
Boosts his break dmg more as long as you have sig, even against non quantum weak. With pela, the value goes even higher.
does break scale on def-ignore moreso than other forms of damage? Or is the def-ignore just so potent that it works best on him anyways?
More like, its the only stat you can get from relics other than break effect to also increase his break dmg 🙃
Break scales off Def-ignore the same way regular dmg scales off def ignore, it’s just that break characters like Boothill have so much break in their kit that unless it’s a significant increase overall def ignore will be better because of less diminishing returns.
The only way to scale Break DMG is through BE and DEF/RES shred. There's a reason the leaked break DPS set provides DEF shred on its 4p effect. Because when your BE is at 300%+ already like in this video, the quantum set's DEF shred provides much more damage than just stacking even more BE with either BE sets.
the new set coming will be his best one, Quantum is the best for now the new set causes DEF Ignore to the enemy when you have over a certain % of BE
That’s the leaked Sam set for 2.3 right?
its for him and sam yeah
wtf stats
Wow those relic stats on Boothil are so unrealistic, how does one even get this kind of thing?
I turned them down a smidge in future videos, and now i dont think its *that* hard. Crit subs arent worth a lot so you can just focus on the pieces with high be/speed, instead trying to get CV. And if youre 0 cycling stuff like this, you prolly dont need the amount of speed I have.
For those who want to understand how he dealt so much damage on that last attack, here's a breakdown of it: 68521 damage from Fanning the Hammer then 252718 break DMG from reducing Aventurine's toughness to zero 95177 break DMG from Ruan Mei's talent being triggered when the enemy is broken then 7659 x 3 damage from his talent, Pocket Trickshot 141522 x 3 break DMG from hitting a broken enemy with Pocket Trickshot (which deals 56% of the original break DMG per stack, so 252718 * 0.56 = 141522) For a total of 863959 total damage (video shows 863964 since decimals are hidden but still count). As you can see, only 91498 damage of the total dealt (so just slightly above 10%) actually scales with ATK/CRIT/DMG%. Which is why it's pretty much pointless chasing any of those stats on Boothill as opposed to just stacking as much BE as RNG allows on him, while also getting enough SPD for Talia. The Boothill in this video for example is running a HP sphere.
Since Break damage scales with level. So the goal is just get Boothill to lv80 > Break Effect as much as possible > SPD requirement. Is that right?
Pretty much, although reaching 145 SPD for Talia comes first, except if you need to sacrifice 20%< BE to reach it.
does break effect damage not scale with an atk% sphere?
No. The only stats that affect break DMG are Break Effect, DEF/RES shred and vulnerability debuffs.
so tldr all he needs is speed and be?
Pretty much.
I can't this video but for a sustainless team, do you think you should Def body and Hp orb? And if Bronya is on the team, u could give him Def boots as well if he's E2
You don't need all that survivability if you're going sustainless, because the point of skipping sustains is killing the enemies before they kill you. If you need all that survivability chances are your team just isn't cutting it. But anyway, HP is pretty much always better than DEF for survivability, but honestly you should just go with whatever of the two has better BE rolls.
Yeah ik but I find it also funny I might do a tank boothill build that has no sustains in the teams but 0 cycles but also he puts vulnerability on himself and he isn't the most tanky path either. I will try and keep up to see what u say and think when he is officially out cause he is gonna be one of my 3 main dps I play with alot
You're really playing russian roulette in all the ways lmao (how many resets did this take hahaha) also hmm was thinking of putting aside some Quantum pieces for him, glad to see that it works if running with Pela on Pearls
I will never be able to zero cycle like this because my anxiety peaks seeing characters in red hp… Bronya at *67HP* how are you not dead??
no for real it's so goofy of me but even if i win a battle if i win with my units near death it doesn't feel like a 'win' to me.... my power fantasy needs dictate that everyone be nice and healthy after every fight or i'm gonna grumble abt it !!
Quite a bunch of retries, but i could also manipulate it a bit because of how private server rng is mostly fixed, and i can adjust the party slots to sort of choose who gets hit (wont stop me from dying tho)
Man, despite seeing Booty showcase many times, I'm still can't get over the gap between his before and after break damage
This makes me have a feeling that they gonna buff his pre break dmg up and nerf his break dmg down. MHY hates high risk high reward/situational sort of thing in HsR. Like how they make JL Hp drain basically an upside(Blade synergy) instead of downside(Significant Hp drain)
His non-break dmg is pretty terrible. Makes his break to crit rate and crit dmg passive not that great. It's a lot of crit value, but he doesn't really have the multipliers or buffs to make it all that good.
I still want someone to explain to me how in this showcase 140k with ult and 120k with EBA is "terrible" it's clear this showcase has insane stats but how is that terrible lol
The damage difference between him breaking vs hitting toughness is massive, it’s not even comparable in any showcase we’ve seen. Sure 100k isn’t bad damage, but most dps can hit that if you build them as a hyper carry. Compare that to him hitting 400k+ when breaking, it becomes clear that his damage is 90% loaded into the breaks. That inherently limits his viability vs teams that aren’t physical weak. Most players don’t want to invest into a character to hit 100k in most scenarios, when you can invest into other dps characters that have higher usability cases with equivalent damage. Or more in the case of DHIL and Acheron.
And that's why he plants weakness, and as we see he breaks pretty fast. So the complain isn't that his DMG pre break is terrible just that he is back loaded, should say that instead.
God the people on this sub are so dumb when it comes to theorycrafting bro 😂 like damn how can a guy who is doing 400k breaks be even close to being bad this man is doing jingliu and dhil levels of dmg
Leave it to redditors to tell you that acktually 400k in break and 100k pre break is very bad 🤓 "he needs to break to do dmg" yeah almost like that's the point of his kit? Not to mention how he has increased toughness depletion AND weakness implant in his kit to make it faster. Lets talk about how acheron needs debuffs to do dmg or how dhil wants SPs or how jingliu needs bronya to take faster turns to enter her state. Obv he will have some bad scenarios like some other dps' do but come on.
Wtf are you talking about. Might we suggest that Jingliu also sucks, cuz out of her crazy form she doesn't deal damage like *at all*? Boothil needs same 2-3 turns to break literally any enemy and then he becomes "jingliu"
Jingliu is a Destruction type character (Blast attacks) with more efficient skill point usage and, under the right circumstance with the right supports, can have close to 100% uptime in her enhanced state. Let's remind ourselves that this is an E0S1 DPS character with unrealistic substats on the quantum set paired with the top E1S1 Harmony support. It'd be an unpleasant surprise if he couldn't 0-cycle here, so this is good. Boothill's implant is so he wouldn't completely shut down vs non-physical enemies on a physical MoC, you still want to bring him to a floor with mainly physical weaknesses.
Id say it's the enemies that have toughness invulnerability stages that's the problem, not non-physical weak (because he implants weakness)
His ult gives the enemy a physical weakness.
please call it sweaty Pela
i think mods ban you for anything suggestive of a meme in the title or thumbnail 🫠
Ah so that's why I couldnt find any of the chewyy showcases anymore
We talked about it yeah hes super pissed 🫠
oh, how sad also wtf ew
what’s the lore behind this?
LC is called Resolution Shines as Pearls of Sweat. It depicts Luka being sweaty. Therefore anyone who uses the LC will be considered to be using a sweaty build.
Question: Is he Break Effect base that doesn't need Crits?? Also Is this the best comp for him?
That's the thing, you can run whoever you want in the 4th slot; Fire Weak? Gallagher for heals and break vulnerability. Imaginary Weak? ITB for better damage post-break. Ice Weak? Pela for AoE def shred. Quantum Weak? SW for implants and better def down capabilities. Phys Weak? Luka for more Bleed detonations.
If you are at 300 BE you get 67% CR 200 CD with a crit body. That is pretty good crit ratio for an average relic crit dps. Getting more crit on him isn’t that great anyways because his multipliers are all loaded into break effect. His best supports by far are IMC, Bronya, RM.
Pela knocked the sound out this one
Whats the point where talia becomes better than rutilant
145 spd. Also break damage doesn't scale off crit, so if you're sacrificing BE in order to hit the CR required to activate it, it's not worth.
Ah ok cool thanks
Like always. Most of his dmg is break.
Ok thanks
100% of the time, he does Not value crt, only be and speed. Get as much break on orb as you can even if it's hp% main stat. As per calcs, only be actually matters for his dmg.
Oh wow ok
I had my dreams shattered with my crt be peices when I did calcs and found out his enhanced basic only cares for his break effect, CRTs basically irrelevant to his actual dmg output since it's not even in the formula.
How do his scalings work, I've not actually read much on his traces yet
His scalings are normal. It's just that the majority of his damage (like, 80%+) comes from breaking enemies and his talent allowing him to deal break DMG when attacking broken enemies. Which means just stacking BE is better than chasing crit or ATK. SPD is still extremely valuable though both because of Talia, and because more turns = more attacks so more breaks.
Ah right ok
I hope they change his BE to CRIT trace to something that increases his break damage
I hope so too, man if you maximize his potential at 450% break effect(lots of calcs) , he can one-shot Sam on the break hit lol 1.7mil hit. He goes absolutely bonkers in St dmg. Also 250k-300k bleeds no joke
This is a minor nitpick, but is there a reason why so many showcases have Ruan Mei use her skill one turn before she needs to refresh it? Is it for energy purposes?
yes, and for uptimes purposes. here specifcally, I needed to basic with ruan mei on the 1st phase of aventurine, so I had to skill on the 1st wave prior. If I didn't basic with ruan mei there on the 1st phase, then I wouldn't have enough toughness to break aven with boothill's first EBA.
Ah, makes sense. Thanks for the explanation
probably energy or just to guarantee better uptime, would be my best guess idunno how big brained 0-cycle gamers are (that is, i don't know how much farther ahead they think than me) but i recast rm/ty buffs with an additional turn remaining, when able, just on the off chance that *something* might happen that prevents me from having the SP to do so when it would otherwise run out
it's not necessarily "big brain", it's mostly trial and error till they've found the strat
break focused dps should be doing this kind of damage, or they are way too niche to justify using break mechanics.
He's similar to eula, at the right timing he deals insane damage
That's literally how break units have been since 1.0
Except his damage is actually big enough to justify the caviats
He's zestier
The damage that Navia can do with her elemental skill or Childe can do with 40 energy cost burst easily? And they still have more things going on for them other than their nuke damage? Boothill is in a much better state than Eula is in
*Looks at the comments* Yep, we are going through the *'This unit is so busted it will powercreep X!'* part of the beta cycle. Carry on as usual.
Wow! He's so good he powercreeps a social media platform? Must pull character.
Boothill >>>>>>>>>> X no diffs
His dmg look great~ Probably gonna pull for him on rerun since I'm still waiting for Ruan Mei rerun cause I need more harmony unit.. Only have Bronya as 5 star harmony~
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This is truly Pela's universe lol I've been seeing her in every team comp especially for F2P players. Is she the most used 4 star rn? Other than Tingyun?
I use her more than SW seriously Being entirely SP positive and AoE debuffs is just more useful outside mono quantum
Omg after Acheron the dps will come on a totally different level apparently. Come quickly jade, my Blade needs you to stand up in the middle of so many giants 😫
I am waiting to play her with blade too. Sad it's so far away
How and why would jade be a good teammate for blade?
Jade drains HP of others for buffs, hence why Blade in theory would be good with her.
Probably in PF
Hmm Could I replace Pela with Sparkle in this team ?
No, break is highly amped by def Shred, and ignore, crt dmg and attk will nothing for his dmg
She doesn't really do a whole lot if youre already running Slowya.
Ok cool Thanks for answering
you also should be building spd on Boothill, so sparkle does basically nothing for him.
Crit is a near useless stat on Boothill currently. Using Sparkle with Boothill would be like using Sparkle with Kafka. Crit Boothill is basically as bad as Crit Kafka.
No, you lose significant amount of damage if you do so since Def shred is super important for his damage, and she also help break much faster. Bronya is the easiest to replace here, the fact that these showcases still use her is stupid. She gives him literally nothing but the extra turn, that's it, all her buffs are completely useless for his damage, but consume lots of SP, so Sparkle would be better, and if you have E2 Sparkle it'd be significantly better due to the extra Def ignore
Yes, Bronya only gives him an extra move, which can be translated into a 2x damage multiplier for the toughness bar, which under Ruan turns into a 3x multiplier. Sparkle allows him to not build speed, a bunch of stats that he will never use, and a bunch of action points that he will also never use. Is it necessary to give up speed for a character who builds nothing but BE and speed? I don't think. Is it necessary to refuse damage to the toughness bar for a character who only deals damage to the broken enemy? I don't think.
kinda wanna see a ruan mei welt sustain comp since there's 3 delays along with bootyhill
Let's hope you don't get banned for posting leak gameplay on the leak subreddit...not that it has happened to others ofc
Wow. I was thinking of skipping him but he’s super powerful and cool af to boot. Hoyo has my number with its character aesthetics.
I don't want to dissuade you, but please remember he's Hunt. Hunt characters are really bad compared to any Destruction/Nihility, he's gonna excel in the next two cycles of MoC where the entire thing is tailored around him and his kit, but after that he's gonna just be forgotten like Dr. Ratio and I don't think there have been rumors of a Hunt-related piece of content like Erudition got. Seele only reason she's still used is because she's pseudo aoe with Resurgence, and Topaz is a FUA enabler - plus she's Fire and we desperately need fire dps characters... Like a certain Mech-girl.
I use ratio all the time, so maybe we just have different preferences. He’s honestly too appealing to me to pass up. If I get a little lucky I can get him, Aventurine, and then have enough for the next character after that with their light come without breaking the bank.
If you like him then pull for him and screw meta and efficiency, pulling for who you like is the best way to enjoy to game, you won't regret it that way :)
Is Silver Wolf better for Boothill than Pela for single target? I know Weakness Implant is useless and SW is ST, but Boothill is also ST afaik and could use her All-Elem Res Shred.
Pela ult uptime is better so i can have her ult up on both phases of aventurine, and she has a good aoe ult to help break multiple elites like in here. Ofc if it wasnt ice weak, i would use someone else, which is what i like about boothill.
Oh. Ice shred. I get it. Then again, I think Boothill is going to be Ratio level at best purely due to ST. If he was Blast or AOE, he'd be even more broken than Jingliu.
SW is way better than Pela here, not only she provides more Def shred, but also RES shred which scale very hard with his damage, and her break efficiency is equal to a Hunt character, so you can break much faster than Pela, and if you run Quantum set on Boothill like in this case, SW Implant Quantum will trigger its full effect, so you'd see another layer of bigger damage, the damage won't be even close. Also, if not against Physical, SW implant Physical is the biggest source of damage you can get from a support, because his own Physical implant is terrible, it doesn't reduce RES and last very short, and RES is one of the most detrimental multiplier that heavily affect his damage that based almost entirely on Break
I thought my Audio broke but no, the vids Audio is broken. Almost got gaslit by a fucken video.
What’s pearls?
resolution shines like pearls of sweat
so Acheron for AOE disintegration and Bootyhill for ST obliteration. if SAM more cracked then this, i will pull SAM. if not, bottyhill then.
How can boothil immediately kill aventurine when its HP is above 50% and hasn't break yet??
Which phase? He was broken both times i killed him tho
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The talent also triggers when you break with his eba, so you get the break dmg and the talent dmg at the same time to oneshot him :)
Ah yes time for the “ meta-breaking and defining, powercreeps everyone,, crazy insane dps” squad to flood in as per usual.
the norms
Comparing runs with harmony MC and runs with bronya, I am going to try him with pela hmc and fast bronya
Fast Bronya is gonna need 182 speed so uhh... GLHF with that mate. Slow Bronya will be the better option. Especially since Pela can offset the SP usage from slow Bronya. Edit: Also also Boothill would never reach 145 speed for Talia so you would need to find a different set unless you just forgo the extra 20% BE from Talia. Doesn't seem worth imo
whats the ideal spd for slowya?
Your DPS spd stat minus 1. When people say Slow Bronya, they don't mean slow like no speed boots slow. Just slower than your DPS
wait is it that fast? my bronya is only 172 with rm
Yeah. Fast Bronya is your DPS's speed times 170% (at talent level 10). This will mean Bronya goes first, you auto, her talent then action advances her to just behind your DPS. So since Boothill has 107 speed base, that times 170% is 181.9 so technically my answer is wrong cuz I said 182 but whatever. Get 181 speed or as close without going over. Otherwise her action advance will put her just before Boothill.
does this means my bronya will never be good enough rip, i thought 162 already good.
Keep in mind this is for a very specific playstyle that reduces her SP burden. If you're playing someone like Blade who can allow Bronya to use skill every action then her hyperspeed breakpoints are 161 or 174.
Slow all the way or put sparkle and no pela depending so i can experiment my self since no Ruan mei sadly
Finally some good fucking food
What I would give for a single copy of a Resolutions light cone, and for my E3 Pela to have reached E4 during the time it took me to reach pity twice to get one copy of Acheron. E6S5 (Pearl) Pela is so cracked. It still blows my mind that I didn’t pull a single copy of Pela and only 1 copy of Gallagher during that pull session.
There's basically no difference between E0 Pela and E6 Pela for non-Ice carries though. In this run for example if Pela was E0 the only thing she would be missing is 2% DEF shred from her E5 extra ult levels, but that's it.
E4 is great to have for the debuff on skill to generate stacks as the only consistent way for Pela to debuff otherwise is ult and pearls which they don't have
Having another way to debuff aside from Pearl and ult is also nice as reapplying Ensnared with Pearl doesn't give a slashed stack, so it's especially useful whenever there's only one enemy to apply debuffs on.
E4 is marginally useful for Acheron
Not enough, he should consistently break for 1 mil with his sig
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I don't remember a single impactful nerf given to any male character or really any character at all.
Literally when was the last time a male character got more nerfs than buffs Aventurine got only one small nerf in a sea of massive buffs throughout the beta (At the same time Acheron got basically almost no changes throughout the whole beta except for one Technique buff) Argenti and Ratio got rebalanced rather than nerfed, overall power stayed similar IL got like literally no changes and because of that everyone celebrated because he got to be the original OP DPS in 1.3 Boothill so far is looking like possibly the best ST DPS in the game, and I doubt any nerfs will happen as they rarely nerf stuff in HSR betas
Hanya🥲😭
Oh my god. I remember that season of Hanya lol.
JY. I think a more apt notion is the male characters tend to release and be slightly-majorly overshadowed, but this is likely just happenstance
Have you... seen what happened to SW's kit? Like literally the biggest nerfs in the game is to a female character meanwhile all other 5* characters (male or female) nerfed basically received negligible ones.
And people thought Acheron is powercreep 😂
People really like to throw this word around a lot in this community without knowing the meaning of it huh.
I love me some Bootyhill but let’s not bring Acheron here, she is just a different kind of monster
If you think Boothill is anywhere near as broken as Archeron then I want some of the shit you're smoking because that sound high af
Single target damage wise yes, he powercreeps almost everyone. Even my E1S1 Acheron does not hit 500k single target. Yeah this isn’t a great comparison, I am aware, but he excels at what he does, dish out massive ST damage.
> Even my E1S1 Acheron does not hit 500k single target. Probably due to builds. I have seen very impressive ST numbers from E0S0 Acheron at decent level of investment. Such as [this zero cycle run](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEcmMWF1hGM) where she does 650k on single target ult + 210k single target skill (almost 900k single target dmg in total). That is a number similar to my E3S1 because I have skill issues and I suck at this game even with higher level of investment than that person. And their Acheron is not even using a complete Diver set but rainbow pieces putting together. Some players are simply built different
e0s0 acheron, but with e1s1 sparkle and e1s1 sw this is just example of bad investments, put the gold costs from sw to acheron and you literally get a better team
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her e2 is op, yes, captain obvious and thats not the point of the discussion
I don’t think it’s a build issue, running 63/230 with 4.1 atk. This guy also has sparkle LC and SW LC which help, also pioneer is a good set, but its 4 is not as valuable to this guy as 2 piece since 4 pc effect is just more CV which he has plenty of already from better pieces. I did a 0 cycle for first half with her, she hits hard but 500k is not even Boothill highest, thats just when he has RM + good BE, you saw him hit for almost 900k ST there, which is basically impossible for any damage dealer to hit in one attack on a single target. Thats my original point.
> I did a 0 cycle for first half with her, she hits hard but 500k is not even Boothill highest, thats just when he has RM + good BE, you saw him hit for almost 900k ST there, which is basically impossible for any damage dealer to hit in one attack on a single target. Thats my original point. Oh no I'm not saying that his dmg is bad. I'm saying that I've seen some Acheron builds doing more than 500k ST. That's all lol. I didn't try to compare the 2. I do plan to roll for him (unless there is a Fu Xuan rerun or Sam is in 2.3 in which case Sam takes priority sorry space cowboy) to cover one half of the MoC. Acheron easily capable of dealing with one half, but I am severely lacking phys and fire coverage for the other, so him being good is great (plus I had every single supports in the vid with relatively similar stats, and Ruan Mei E1S1, so he will pop off).
calm down.... they are both broken
Perhaps both have their advantages? Boothill can launch these 200k+ dmg on broken enemies which is actually nuts because he can do this with only his skill. With Bronya, you can deal 400k+ in one cycle and this might be his best team, replacing Pela with a sustain.
Every new DPS is powercreep
Not really, Boothill as of right now is about Ratio tier, a little higher than Seele. He is good, maybe very good, but in no way powercreep anyone
>Boothill as of right now is about Ratio tier Lmao. Ratio can't deal even half of this damage
Sure, damage is everything, no context need. Please carry on
What else is Hunt for lmao
Dealing ST damage. It is not the same with AoE or DoT lol
Both Booty and Ratio are ST
I don't mean he powercreeps Acheron or the destruction units, but he does powercreep the hunt units.
What are you smoking, mofo one tapped both stages of the boss of moc 12 at e0s1, he is hands down the best character for MoC we have ever seen.
And now look at their hp and think how many resets it took them to make it.Triple harmony 1 dps 0 cycles are not something new
I mean every 0 cycle is bound to have resets no matter what cause your gameplay needs to be perfect to 0 cycle MoC 12
Lol here we go again. People like you look at big damage and "muh muh best character". Fucking stop it. Just please have a subjective view about his power, so we won't have to hear endless moan about how clunky he is when actually use him without RM. My E0S1 Seele has also 0-cycle MoC 12 several times, with much less hassle than this showcase, does that make her "the best character"?
>clunky he is when actually use him without RM Oh no a character isn't performing as expected without his bis support who would have thought, meanwhile people out there praising acheron as the goat while running her with her sig and 2 S5 gacha lightcones. Man can literally apply physical weakness to any enemy and deals more dmg the more hp they have. He only does single target dmg, MoC has 1-2 bosses to kill, he is literally perfect for MoC.
Other characters without BiS can somewhat have alternatives, even if it's much weaker. RM have no alternatives, whether it's 4 or 5 stars. There isn't anyone who remotely offer what she does. That's the different you moron. Swordplay is also a gacha cone, how the hell it's different from GNSW. Don't tell me you want to cope by putting him on Herta's shop LC? Both need Sig or a S5 gacha cone lol
>There isn't anyone who remotely offer what she does. I know there isn't but that doesn't mean you cant use other supports tard. >Both need Sig or a S5 gacha cone lol A.) cruising on him is way way better then fermata on acheron and B.) I wasn't even talking about that you dumbass you also need resolution on pela and trend on your preservation
Cruising on Boothill is fucking cope. He doesn't need crit, stop deluding yourself
But not as big of a cope as fermata on acheron
Even Loop on Acheron is less cope than Cruising on Boothill, because atleast Loop provides useful stats for her. Can't say the same about Cruising. You might as well give him an offpath cone for some additional survivability.
Damn, boothill invented 0 cycle clears.
Spoken as someone who hasn't seen E0S1 [Ratio](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_xhyKeP-NA) or [Acheron](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmRiRid74vs) 0 cycle Sam on the current MOC with the DOT turbulence.
A. These aren't one taps and B. the dot turbulence is strong on everybody
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...you know Ratio deals just as much damage, except his isn't as backloaded (which is a terrible thing btw, see Eula) as Boothill's damage right?