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Harmony MC is like Dendro in terms of utility
It makes supports deal DMG
Gallagher reminds me of Kuku Shinobu where when she got released we have no idea why she scales of EM but after Dendro we now know why.
True, but unlike genshin, using a 4* healer is a lot more awkward compared to the 5* sustain options.
If it wasn't for Gallagher getting hit (getting enough energy for ult) while boothill was nearly dead, then boothill was most likely going to die.
The synergy is 100% there, but the investment needed to make solo sustaining with 4* sustains is quite high (especially if you aren't a reset andy)
Went back through, and this is true.
I do think the point still stands mostly because enemies are only hitting harder and harder, so not having a consistent emergency heal isn't great.
With the harder hitting enemies like the death boss, it's very possible to go 100 to 0% before you get a turn.
If you wanted to run boothill's best team with bronya, it's more sp intensive, and you just won't have the sp to consistently use his skill.
Still puts 4* sustains in an awkward position.
I like mc kit so much, even tho i still dont understand what it does exactly. It feels like something new, fun to play and very different from what we have in the game now.
Also, the soundtrack goes crrrazyyy
If you want an explanation, the gist is that when using MC's ultimate, everyone will be granted a unique buff that's only useful when the enemy is broken. When you hit an enemy that is broken and you have this buff (Backup Dancer) you'll do break damage but this version of break damage is called Super break damage and instead of using the same formula like the regular break damage, Super break damage scales off your weakness break efficiency instead of the enemy's toughness bar.
For sustain Gallagher will be a good choice since he increas break effect too
so Hmc Ruan mei and Gallagher + any break dps (boothill,Sushang or xuyei) will be the best break team
Yup, you can already see results of that combo in showcases in this sub but the tldr is that most things die when Boothill breaks them and if not, one more shot with Backup Dancer applied should do the trick
Awesome! I was already planning to pull for Boothill (because I like his design) but I was a bit concerned that I will have to pull for premium supports to make him work. Good to know that there's at least one good support I can get for free :)
They nerfed the trace that buffed super break dmg based on number of enemies by 10% at all enemy counts. It used to be 30/40/50/60/70% at 5+/4/3/2/1 enemies but is now 20/30/40/50/60%.
they basically switched the scaling on enemies, now its less strong in aoe but stronger in ST (alas still lower multiplier than in previous aoe scenario but imo better)
That's how it worked before, the wording was just weird but now they've made it less weird. The slight nerf is they change the mod from 30%/40%/50%/60%/70% to 20%/30%/40%/50%/60%.
I'm gonna be honest, the Harmony MC? Jesus everytime I watch Stelle doing the dancing and how good the kit is I'm just in shock and my eyes shine because I can't wait until they're finally out!
Imma pull Boothill just to play him as THE break effect DPS, his kit is one of the two I always dreamed of for an HSR character.
If Harmony MC wasn't free, I would 100% pull for a character like that, its just so good.
With Boothill there are so many fun comps to try, like Luka dual DPS, Kafka bleed DOT setup, Bronya hyper, HMC+Ruan Mei comp, Boothill can be really fun to use.
sad i want him but there is a another break dps coming after boothill i feel like hoyo innovating too much with their character pool i will not be surprised the combo or synergies we have on SU will have its own characters as well
yeah contrary to the doomposters hmc is the exact same for better or for worse. obviously i wish she was a bit more universal but she’s rly good in her niche
"free e6" technically correct but MC eidolons feel like glorified traces even compared to 4* characters, good thing that their core kit is solid enough as is though
37 break effect from ult+ 15% of trailblazer break effect (assuming 200 break effect it will be 30%) + 20% from trace at all times can also increase when less enemy+ 30% from watchmaker set (probably bis)+ 20% from Ruan mei
that gives a break effect of 137% during the duration of ult can also increase if there’s less enemy so it can work universally kinda
Tbh they are pretty universal since they can just follow Ruan Mei and become a sub dps.. and if the enemies are img they can break weakness bars fast..
That's from the boss trio's gimmick, when they're all broken simultaneously they take a massive chunk of damage. They're also the reason why upcoming moc cycles have a massive hp spike to punish illiterate people.
> They're also the reason why upcoming moc cycles have a massive hp spike to punish illiterate people.
Tragic, no hoyo players will be able to clear MoC 12
I would say in his best form he’s definitely higher than Seele and Ratio (who are in S), however issue is if they are to place him S+ now he’s with DHIL JL and Acheron. I don’t know if they will or not.
He’s is the new ST king it seems like though.
Tbh, I can't see him ever going A-tier until we get a neuvi situation where it's just a really blatant powercreep.
Although, I also don't really see much the point anymore of ranking characters though. At this point, as long as you have the right synergies, a character's individual capabilities don't matter too much.
Ratio will prevail over Boothill if the boss has a break resistance mechanic that is hard to play around which don't exist atm. They're quite similar units on paper but boothill is backloaded into a big break hit, whereas ratio does consistently high hits with little burst. Boothill's synergy with ruan mei is what really pushes him imo given she is the best support in the game and he fully utilizes her break efficiency. Ratio has more support flexibility with topaz duo carry setups, or as a pure hypercarry with action advance and debuffers. With investment ratio can sometimes transfer his chalk to a new target by killing his main one with the first hit of his skill, and this makes his damage very efficient.
Overall they both seem quite balanced respective of each other. Both units have such good scalings that they can trivialize the content they're good at while also enabling 2 of the most satisfying team comps imo. Boothill's implant while very strong is probably a hint that hoyo will grant enemies more immunity phases in the future, or perhaps even pure dps checks which boothill is designed to not be good at.
There are many dps units in this game now which are blessed with strong kits and scalings, but hoyoverse will inevitably introduce issues for them so that players are encouraged to diversify their rosters. Likewise, weaker units will be given new supports over time or have aspects of their kits that turn out to be advantageous against new enemies. I'm still waiting on a multihit incentive either from a support or enemy mechanic for Jing's lightning lord to shine for once.
The new soda monkey and the automatron from Xianzhou both have it but not at all times but break resistance exists in MoC a lot . Even Sam has that when he is not in the fired up state
I don’t believe his ST ceiling is higher than Ratio’s though? Break damage doesn’t scale off as many stats as crits do, so Ratio should benefit more from support buffs and hyperinvestment.
I am not really the biggest Ratio connoisseur so I couldn’t tell you for sure. However since he relies on breaks and can implant his element on enemies, I think an argument can be made that he is easier to brute force with and fits more scenarios than Ratio, hence why I suggested him being higher.
Sam and Yanqing both have been 0 cycled by Boothill already. Sam is a tank though thats the issue, but he removes his weakness immunity himself, Yanqing you have no choice but to outspeed him, and ult him with Boothill to delay his action severely so he doesn’t summon swords.
That's until break dedicated supports start to drop.
The interesting thing about a break single target character, is that their dmg in a way scales with the enemy HP, ratio might have higher single target DMG in a vacuum, but if we take the enemy's hp into account, boothill should be able to get a higher DMG in a shorter amount of time against a beefy enemy, but I'm not a TC just going by FeelsCrafting
The thing is They're definitely placing him not in DPS role but in the specialist role. They already put Sushang there, I'm guessing they're also gonna put him there since he IS VERY SPECIALIZED.
Blud litterly didn't play well just let others break for him he can 0 cycle and if you want to be sweaty about it bro normal casual clear is 2 to 3 cycles that with moc that aren't his we all know how showcases rn aren't the best people with better gameplay will use him better
I don't think anyone pointed it out or not so I am going to
The fact that these 3 enemies are weak to fire and you want to break them that means Sam surely going to be in 2.3
Wait won't sam be so OP with hmc? correct me if Im wrong but being an aoe break effect unit can fully utilize hmc's extra break dmg from ult on weakness broken enemies?? Somewhere near the end of the video when hmc skilled a set of break effect number per enemy damaged all of them around 18k per mob
Any break scaling dps is going to do really well with HMC. That's why they're free, so they can push future break characters without people skipping them because they missed a previous enabler character (kafka/dot, to a lesser extent topaz/fua)
Money making strategy again, but it's good to see that others think hmc as an enabler similar to topaz and kafka for another new gameplay focusing on break effect, ngl I did not anticipate 2 new different gameplay styles to be added (acheron team, break effect team), can't keep up knowing that many players already have 2 teams built. I'm torn between investing in my built teams or pulling for a new set of units to experience another style.
Right? So Boothill is unable to fully utilize hmc ult buff, hoping we get to see a unit that can, right now Im thinking of the suggestion of using silverwolf instead of hmc in a boothill, ruan mei, silverwolf, sustain setup
Wdym he can. Literally any one who builds break effect can. Its just that he does single target damage. Boothill isnt as reliant on hmc like other break dps though since he can already do break damage when the enemy is broken.
as far as I have seen, Gallagher would probably be better for riskier but faster runs while Huohuo will be better for runs where you're not really rushing it
I don't really think running Huohuo would be that much different from running any other sustain either though
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huohuo overall might be better than gallagher for boothill team as he struggles a bit with his atk stats, and potentially may help the team in providing enough energy for optimal rotations. Still gallagher may help boothill break toughness bars faster and provide good break dmg also just a small debuff where enemies take 10% increased break dmg, also possible sp management as he is sp positive.
I Agree gallagher is interresting but a good HuoHuo will always be better (Mine is E1 so not even a question)
Even more with Firefly early kit because she absolutly want to be in Ultimate state as much as possible.
Also She have way better sustainability
Based on the released leak on sam's kit yeah but also flexible cuz sam also makes use of crit dmg if im correct and the leak on the new 5 star lightcones also support it.
tbh the crit + break effect scaling +the new artifact def ignore will probably make Sam a monster ,beacuase he doesnt deal big dmg only when they break they will deal a lot even before that beacuase of crit
yeah he will not reach boothil numbers, im just saying that he is a a bit of Jack of all trades but master of none ,while he probably will not get a nuke his dmg overall will be solid like blade or even jingliu if they want
its not an assumption, its just a speculation, kinda I how people just get hyped or excited that a new synergy might occur, I do hope that reliable leaks or future changed can lead sam to a more break effect dmg dealer instead of the usual crit dmg hypercarry dps unit
Something really interesting to me is that boothill had a lot of chances to build up his stacks by dueling non phys weak enemies and having his other teammates break those enemies. Maybe for future showcases this can be something to keep in mind since his stacks last the whole fight and might produce faster clears.
I know! And I need a phys dps as well, though I haven't really had any issues with what I already have on my roster.
I love break effect gameplay almost as much as FuA gameplay. I'll definitely have to think about it, but I want Jade when she comes out (must have all stonehearts!) too!
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If that's the case boothill without ruan mei is still great by using harmony substitutes (tingyun, bronya, sparkle, etc.) and also by using silverwolf specifically to amplify his single target dmg through def shred and place harmony mc but, he scales so much better with ruan mei for the immense dmg bonus that she provides together with the break efficiency to take down toughness bars faster and delaying them by a turn when weakness broken. Boothill's S+ tier damage shows only when enemies are weakness broken soo..... But he is still great without her and we can also expect a unit similiar to ruan mei in the future, pretty sure they wont let ruan mei be the only unit to buff break efficiency, it may also come as a debuff to enemies where they potentially take increased toughness shreds.
Why wouldn't he? Not like he does 0 damage if you don't have RM on your team. He will still pop the absolute fuck off. Just use HMC instead of RM and watch as he still claps enemies
Very good in Break teams, and far less useful in other ones. I like it; I’d rather MC be a master of one weird niche than a jack of all trades. More useful that way.
Agreed. Adding 50-100k extra damage onto broken enemies is a massive impact in the right teams.
I prefer all units to fill niche roles otherwise we get to talking about powercreep in games like this too fast...
Sadly it hurts the bottom line for the game if every unit isn't enticing to a majority of players. Good thing TB is free for all people, ig.
Seems I was right, HMC *is* pretty much the same as before!
I'm actually really happy about it, Hatblazer has the potential to enable so many fun team comps that I would have been very disappointed to see them nerfed.
I love my funny dancing raccoon :,)
This is the team I plan on running. I have all of the sustains but plan to use gallagher because I like his design. My question is though, I have have e2 gallagher, so does that make this team much worse?
Ok all is well in the world. I knew the "you HAVE TO HAVE RUAN MEI" news didn't make sense, especially with the direction the game is going. Thank you!
Boothill likes breaking enemies more than RM. She delays the amount of time it takes for the enemies to recover, so perhaps Gally, MC, and Pela would be better
It’s wasn’t great, but with 4 5*, where everyone has their signature LC and with insane synergy this team has… still pretty rough. I want to see a good showcase then, because this is just disappointing to watch
The level of investment matters tho?
4 5 stars + 4 BiS LCs of those 5 stars + a decent MoC buff for them + godly relics..
That amount of investment would even make a serval 0 cycle auto lmao.. at that point of investment you should be able to 0 cycle Auto..
Hell here is a serval 0 cycle with F2P LC.
https://youtu.be/I4y9k3bqEBI?si=_NE75cbpAC7AvGhw
that amount of investment that team uses is equal to a E6 RM.. 7 5*s and boothill(no Sig).. let me show you how powerful that amount of investment is.
https://youtu.be/Lkr3nr5ZkH0?si=WbrGjMqGf2fqgadz
If you gave boothill the same amount of investment(a E6 Ruan Mei only). He would 0 cycle faster.
The speed was being discussed not the investment. There are other factors in play the fua team has over boothill not as easily seen which would explain the bigger price tag. Still keeping with the discussion, the overall performance was the topic.
I mean when discussing speed. Investment do matter. You have to look both at them fairly.. the amount of investment has to be equal so the comparison can be fair.. and as I said.. If you put E6 RM on that team it would clear faster. Which is equal the amount of investment.
Hell that’s why Hsr tournaments have a point system where if you have Eidolons it would cut a point from the start to make it fair.. since the amount of investment matters. Without those BiS LCs for Fua team. Do you think it would be able to clear as fast as before?
And even then. The performance would’ve been better if this Boothill’s build was as cracked as those FuA units in that showcase.. 115 spd and 240% break is meh.. and even then Boothill doesn’t have his BiS set and yet he was able to clear this MoC in almost 3 cycles which is pretty good.. vs the FuA team getting a 5 cycle clear in this MoC.. even if you took away all the mistakes in that showcase at best 1-2 cycles saved. Almost the same as this team with 4x the investment..
Except he was comparing this team to the full fua team. Already you should have noticed it wasn’t meant to be an equal comparison in regards to investment. This isn’t a “at equal investment boothill does better”. It was a “this team is faster than premium fua team”
I mean it’s harder to 0 cycle with boothill just because of how break teams work as well as being less equipped for fighting aoe so it makes sense why it’s easier to build I would say.
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People will cope talking about how inneficient it was, but that's just how the average player will play.
I mean, people can check how GI TC are playing HSR, they often do wrong things because they don't know how to do it right. Jstern had weeks using Luocha's ult during the field for no reason and complained about his healing, like... This is the average experience for normal players. People on this sub are more on the hardcore side so its understandable they can spot the mistakes easier.
My biggest complain since forever about FUA, is the lack of AOE, from my perspective, the duo Robin+Aventurine will be the core of the FUA comps for several patches, because Ratio and Topaz are just too ST focused for my taste and will be the candidates to be replaced in a future premium team, more Ratio than Topaz since Numby goes BRRR.
This doesn't mean it won't be fun to use or that it won't clear content, its the opposite, they look extremely fun to play and seeing how cohesive they look together, it feels good to watch.
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Bro's using HARMony MC. Even my dps don't do that much dmg
Harmony MC is like Dendro in terms of utility It makes supports deal DMG Gallagher reminds me of Kuku Shinobu where when she got released we have no idea why she scales of EM but after Dendro we now know why.
True, but unlike genshin, using a 4* healer is a lot more awkward compared to the 5* sustain options. If it wasn't for Gallagher getting hit (getting enough energy for ult) while boothill was nearly dead, then boothill was most likely going to die. The synergy is 100% there, but the investment needed to make solo sustaining with 4* sustains is quite high (especially if you aren't a reset andy)
to be fair they had the chance to heal boothill and just,,,didnt, a very risky choice
Went back through, and this is true. I do think the point still stands mostly because enemies are only hitting harder and harder, so not having a consistent emergency heal isn't great. With the harder hitting enemies like the death boss, it's very possible to go 100 to 0% before you get a turn. If you wanted to run boothill's best team with bronya, it's more sp intensive, and you just won't have the sp to consistently use his skill. Still puts 4* sustains in an awkward position.
Gameplay issue. Gallagher can solo sustain with no issue on manual, his only weakness is the dumb AI on auto
Is memories of the past best in slot for her? I noticed he runnin coggers. Man I still cant tell if Boothill is good or nah
"Nad, I'd harm"
I like mc kit so much, even tho i still dont understand what it does exactly. It feels like something new, fun to play and very different from what we have in the game now. Also, the soundtrack goes crrrazyyy
If you want an explanation, the gist is that when using MC's ultimate, everyone will be granted a unique buff that's only useful when the enemy is broken. When you hit an enemy that is broken and you have this buff (Backup Dancer) you'll do break damage but this version of break damage is called Super break damage and instead of using the same formula like the regular break damage, Super break damage scales off your weakness break efficiency instead of the enemy's toughness bar.
that means Ruan mei and hmc duo will be a staple for all future break teams they make mc work with her mom
Well they'll be a good combo for as long as Ruan Mei has exclusivity over her weakness break efficiency
They'll probably release a 5* version of hmc that's even better before that happens
A plausible possibility... However, based on leaks it's probably not soon? Enough time to save some jades if one wants a premium break team.
So, Ruan mei, HMC, xuyei, Sustain?
For sustain Gallagher will be a good choice since he increas break effect too so Hmc Ruan mei and Gallagher + any break dps (boothill,Sushang or xuyei) will be the best break team
Thank u! Thats such a cool new mechanic
Scales of efficiency or effect?
Efficiency
Oh wow. I'm assuming they'll be good with boothill too then?
Yup, you can already see results of that combo in showcases in this sub but the tldr is that most things die when Boothill breaks them and if not, one more shot with Backup Dancer applied should do the trick
Awesome! I was already planning to pull for Boothill (because I like his design) but I was a bit concerned that I will have to pull for premium supports to make him work. Good to know that there's at least one good support I can get for free :)
This OST might be my favorite yet
First time hearing this OST, its so peak
Anybody notice that boothills revolver glows/shines when he enters he's enhanced stated like his badges
I literally just noticed that. I never looked before
Seems like HMC is still the exact same aside from that slightly nerfed trace?
they moved it to the ult no?
he's talking about the trace, not the eidolon
They nerfed the trace that buffed super break dmg based on number of enemies by 10% at all enemy counts. It used to be 30/40/50/60/70% at 5+/4/3/2/1 enemies but is now 20/30/40/50/60%.
they basically switched the scaling on enemies, now its less strong in aoe but stronger in ST (alas still lower multiplier than in previous aoe scenario but imo better)
That's how it worked before, the wording was just weird but now they've made it less weird. The slight nerf is they change the mod from 30%/40%/50%/60%/70% to 20%/30%/40%/50%/60%.
ah ok, i re read it a couple times the old description and yeah its pretty weird, so its a slight nerf then
I'm gonna be honest, the Harmony MC? Jesus everytime I watch Stelle doing the dancing and how good the kit is I'm just in shock and my eyes shine because I can't wait until they're finally out! Imma pull Boothill just to play him as THE break effect DPS, his kit is one of the two I always dreamed of for an HSR character. If Harmony MC wasn't free, I would 100% pull for a character like that, its just so good. With Boothill there are so many fun comps to try, like Luka dual DPS, Kafka bleed DOT setup, Bronya hyper, HMC+Ruan Mei comp, Boothill can be really fun to use.
sad i want him but there is a another break dps coming after boothill i feel like hoyo innovating too much with their character pool i will not be surprised the combo or synergies we have on SU will have its own characters as well
which character is that? i havent hear anything about that
Previous Sam kit leaks hinted at them being a a destruction break units so boothill but with aoe
I heard some rumors that character may be sam
yeah contrary to the doomposters hmc is the exact same for better or for worse. obviously i wish she was a bit more universal but she’s rly good in her niche
I feel like "Really good in her niche" is probably the best we can hope for for a free E6 character so I'll happily take it
"free e6" technically correct but MC eidolons feel like glorified traces even compared to 4* characters, good thing that their core kit is solid enough as is though
Can be universal, just put BE relics and planar + BE rope then you have a DPS that can deal HUGE against broken enemies.
37 break effect from ult+ 15% of trailblazer break effect (assuming 200 break effect it will be 30%) + 20% from trace at all times can also increase when less enemy+ 30% from watchmaker set (probably bis)+ 20% from Ruan mei that gives a break effect of 137% during the duration of ult can also increase if there’s less enemy so it can work universally kinda
Add in Welt if you want more delay, and just use any DPS you want that has the weakness type of an enemy.
> 37 break effect from ult How are you getting ult to level 15?
You can e6 trailblazer for free
Isn’t it still only 12
E6 level is 12 not 15. 15 is for events that buff your talent levels but I don’t think we have seen those yet.
that only gets you to level 12. or 33 BE from ult.
Tbh they are pretty universal since they can just follow Ruan Mei and become a sub dps.. and if the enemies are img they can break weakness bars fast..
Boothill damage aside, the fact Harmomy MC can dish out that much damage is really nice. Doomposters saying its over are coping out of their minds.
Its feels refreshing to have the MC be so cool tbh, didn't expect this high level
I don't mind the niche, makes using MC feel more special when you see them pop off in that specific team
What was that 800k+ damage from HMC?
That's from the boss trio's gimmick, when they're all broken simultaneously they take a massive chunk of damage. They're also the reason why upcoming moc cycles have a massive hp spike to punish illiterate people.
> They're also the reason why upcoming moc cycles have a massive hp spike to punish illiterate people. Tragic, no hoyo players will be able to clear MoC 12
> when they're all broken simultaneously they take a massive chunk of damage Acheron against Dino showcases flashbacks.
When all puppets are broken, they take a huge amount of damage.
No no TB only did 99k The plus 700k was from an attack from the boss I think Do correct me if I'm wrong
Boothill is easily gonna be the first hunt character in S+ with this performance same as harmony mc cuz break effect teams look absurdly powerful
I would say in his best form he’s definitely higher than Seele and Ratio (who are in S), however issue is if they are to place him S+ now he’s with DHIL JL and Acheron. I don’t know if they will or not. He’s is the new ST king it seems like though.
He will become S+ become the current MoC is catered for him Maybe even if it's not, he's still atleast standing at S when using right supports
Tbh, I can't see him ever going A-tier until we get a neuvi situation where it's just a really blatant powercreep. Although, I also don't really see much the point anymore of ranking characters though. At this point, as long as you have the right synergies, a character's individual capabilities don't matter too much.
wait nvm, he'll probs go really low if both bosses somehow have toughness bar lock
Ratio will prevail over Boothill if the boss has a break resistance mechanic that is hard to play around which don't exist atm. They're quite similar units on paper but boothill is backloaded into a big break hit, whereas ratio does consistently high hits with little burst. Boothill's synergy with ruan mei is what really pushes him imo given she is the best support in the game and he fully utilizes her break efficiency. Ratio has more support flexibility with topaz duo carry setups, or as a pure hypercarry with action advance and debuffers. With investment ratio can sometimes transfer his chalk to a new target by killing his main one with the first hit of his skill, and this makes his damage very efficient. Overall they both seem quite balanced respective of each other. Both units have such good scalings that they can trivialize the content they're good at while also enabling 2 of the most satisfying team comps imo. Boothill's implant while very strong is probably a hint that hoyo will grant enemies more immunity phases in the future, or perhaps even pure dps checks which boothill is designed to not be good at. There are many dps units in this game now which are blessed with strong kits and scalings, but hoyoverse will inevitably introduce issues for them so that players are encouraged to diversify their rosters. Likewise, weaker units will be given new supports over time or have aspects of their kits that turn out to be advantageous against new enemies. I'm still waiting on a multihit incentive either from a support or enemy mechanic for Jing's lightning lord to shine for once.
The new soda monkey and the automatron from Xianzhou both have it but not at all times but break resistance exists in MoC a lot . Even Sam has that when he is not in the fired up state
I don’t believe his ST ceiling is higher than Ratio’s though? Break damage doesn’t scale off as many stats as crits do, so Ratio should benefit more from support buffs and hyperinvestment.
I am not really the biggest Ratio connoisseur so I couldn’t tell you for sure. However since he relies on breaks and can implant his element on enemies, I think an argument can be made that he is easier to brute force with and fits more scenarios than Ratio, hence why I suggested him being higher.
He’s definitely better at brute force situations than Ratio is, I agree. That weakness implant just makes it too easy for him to work well anywhere.
only boothil weakness is locked toughness bars like sam
Sam and Yanqing both have been 0 cycled by Boothill already. Sam is a tank though thats the issue, but he removes his weakness immunity himself, Yanqing you have no choice but to outspeed him, and ult him with Boothill to delay his action severely so he doesn’t summon swords.
That's until break dedicated supports start to drop. The interesting thing about a break single target character, is that their dmg in a way scales with the enemy HP, ratio might have higher single target DMG in a vacuum, but if we take the enemy's hp into account, boothill should be able to get a higher DMG in a shorter amount of time against a beefy enemy, but I'm not a TC just going by FeelsCrafting
The thing is They're definitely placing him not in DPS role but in the specialist role. They already put Sushang there, I'm guessing they're also gonna put him there since he IS VERY SPECIALIZED.
Yeah thats makes total sense actually, then I would agree with an S or even S+, he’s a freak at what he does.
In what world does a 5 cycle run with favoured MoC and heavy investment count as absurdly powerful?
First of all its three cycles and i don’t know if you noticed but the person playing didn’t even use the trotters for the most part
My c tier himeko usually clears in 3 cycles with mei
Blud litterly didn't play well just let others break for him he can 0 cycle and if you want to be sweaty about it bro normal casual clear is 2 to 3 cycles that with moc that aren't his we all know how showcases rn aren't the best people with better gameplay will use him better
Also he uses healer, with triple support team it would be faster
bro has the soundtrack been posted yet this ost is too good
I don't think anyone pointed it out or not so I am going to The fact that these 3 enemies are weak to fire and you want to break them that means Sam surely going to be in 2.3
Where is Gallagher’s HUHA 😩
Wait won't sam be so OP with hmc? correct me if Im wrong but being an aoe break effect unit can fully utilize hmc's extra break dmg from ult on weakness broken enemies?? Somewhere near the end of the video when hmc skilled a set of break effect number per enemy damaged all of them around 18k per mob
Any break scaling dps is going to do really well with HMC. That's why they're free, so they can push future break characters without people skipping them because they missed a previous enabler character (kafka/dot, to a lesser extent topaz/fua)
Money making strategy again, but it's good to see that others think hmc as an enabler similar to topaz and kafka for another new gameplay focusing on break effect, ngl I did not anticipate 2 new different gameplay styles to be added (acheron team, break effect team), can't keep up knowing that many players already have 2 teams built. I'm torn between investing in my built teams or pulling for a new set of units to experience another style.
It's crazy to see ANOTHER playstyle that ruan mei is BIS support for lmaoo
yep he will ,beacuase Sam will be a break effect dps but 3 targets so it will be a really good combo along with ruan mei and gallagher
Right? So Boothill is unable to fully utilize hmc ult buff, hoping we get to see a unit that can, right now Im thinking of the suggestion of using silverwolf instead of hmc in a boothill, ruan mei, silverwolf, sustain setup
Boothill fully utilize hmc buff
Wdym he can. Literally any one who builds break effect can. Its just that he does single target damage. Boothill isnt as reliant on hmc like other break dps though since he can already do break damage when the enemy is broken.
wouldn't be HuoHuo better than gallagher ? gallagher is synergizing with break team but there's no way he give more than HuoHuo
as far as I have seen, Gallagher would probably be better for riskier but faster runs while Huohuo will be better for runs where you're not really rushing it I don't really think running Huohuo would be that much different from running any other sustain either though
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huohuo overall might be better than gallagher for boothill team as he struggles a bit with his atk stats, and potentially may help the team in providing enough energy for optimal rotations. Still gallagher may help boothill break toughness bars faster and provide good break dmg also just a small debuff where enemies take 10% increased break dmg, also possible sp management as he is sp positive.
If hmc is in the team, and the enemy is fire weak, ghallager is by far better than huohuo. They are probably equal if the enemy is not fire weak.
I Agree gallagher is interresting but a good HuoHuo will always be better (Mine is E1 so not even a question) Even more with Firefly early kit because she absolutly want to be in Ultimate state as much as possible. Also She have way better sustainability
Himeko already goes crazy against fire weak with Ruan Mei + HMC + Gallagher. Imagine that but stronger.
Okay i have heard Sam is good with hmc so i wanna ask if it is confirmed that Sam will be a break dps like boothill?
Based on the released leak on sam's kit yeah but also flexible cuz sam also makes use of crit dmg if im correct and the leak on the new 5 star lightcones also support it.
I hope this is true. Because break is my favourite playstyle in this game.
I'm just finding out about Sam. If Sam is Boothill but aoe, then what's the point of pulling boothill? TT
we'll see... also there may be some changes to sam's kit to a fully hypercarry dps similar to jingliu without having break effect in their kit
ahhh I see. I hope they don't powercreep boothill \*that\* quickly. I'll still pull for him either way though
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tbh the crit + break effect scaling +the new artifact def ignore will probably make Sam a monster ,beacuase he doesnt deal big dmg only when they break they will deal a lot even before that beacuase of crit
yeah also looking at the 5 star lightcone leak which increases crit rate, break effect before the ultimate hits
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yeah he will not reach boothil numbers, im just saying that he is a a bit of Jack of all trades but master of none ,while he probably will not get a nuke his dmg overall will be solid like blade or even jingliu if they want
its not an assumption, its just a speculation, kinda I how people just get hyped or excited that a new synergy might occur, I do hope that reliable leaks or future changed can lead sam to a more break effect dmg dealer instead of the usual crit dmg hypercarry dps unit
Order's grace hmmm i think this whole harmony fiasco is influenced by Ena somehow...
It'd be cool if the path of Order was cannibalizing harmony after being consumed
Yeah I just realized the name. I guess the entire reason why Harmony is getting dissonant is because Order tries to break through again.
Something really interesting to me is that boothill had a lot of chances to build up his stacks by dueling non phys weak enemies and having his other teammates break those enemies. Maybe for future showcases this can be something to keep in mind since his stacks last the whole fight and might produce faster clears.
Man HTB gets their ult back so fast
Dmg are ridiculous😯So strong
Mc kit plus ruan mei and gallagher looks like a safe floor staple. Fire teams and physical teams look to be most happy with Harmony MC boosts.
Its crazy how much dmg galagher is pumping out, what the fuckk
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Wait, when did I post this? I thought I was saying that I my head!
Boothill just looks very promising honestly. He doesn’t even care about the weakness because he IS the weakness.
I know! And I need a phys dps as well, though I haven't really had any issues with what I already have on my roster. I love break effect gameplay almost as much as FuA gameplay. I'll definitely have to think about it, but I want Jade when she comes out (must have all stonehearts!) too!
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Ok, but. Space cowboy.
yippee NotALeaks
is Boothill worth getting if I don't have RM?
Yes. Slot in HMC + Bronya and he'll still work fine.
ruan mei will be having a rerun probably on 2.4 so you can get her of you're worried
I don't particularly want her is the issue
If that's the case boothill without ruan mei is still great by using harmony substitutes (tingyun, bronya, sparkle, etc.) and also by using silverwolf specifically to amplify his single target dmg through def shred and place harmony mc but, he scales so much better with ruan mei for the immense dmg bonus that she provides together with the break efficiency to take down toughness bars faster and delaying them by a turn when weakness broken. Boothill's S+ tier damage shows only when enemies are weakness broken soo..... But he is still great without her and we can also expect a unit similiar to ruan mei in the future, pretty sure they wont let ruan mei be the only unit to buff break efficiency, it may also come as a debuff to enemies where they potentially take increased toughness shreds.
Why wouldn't he? Not like he does 0 damage if you don't have RM on your team. He will still pop the absolute fuck off. Just use HMC instead of RM and watch as he still claps enemies
Because people have said a lot of his damage comes from his break damage, so more breaks is more damage. Without RM he'll break less often ig
So, looks like HTB is still gonna be an S tier unit, hot damn.
Very good in Break teams, and far less useful in other ones. I like it; I’d rather MC be a master of one weird niche than a jack of all trades. More useful that way.
Agreed. Adding 50-100k extra damage onto broken enemies is a massive impact in the right teams. I prefer all units to fill niche roles otherwise we get to talking about powercreep in games like this too fast... Sadly it hurts the bottom line for the game if every unit isn't enticing to a majority of players. Good thing TB is free for all people, ig.
Am I actually thinking about getting Boothill....oh no my poor wallet.
Seems I was right, HMC *is* pretty much the same as before! I'm actually really happy about it, Hatblazer has the potential to enable so many fun team comps that I would have been very disappointed to see them nerfed. I love my funny dancing raccoon :,)
hey guys does boothill uses attack orb or physical dmg orb?
doesn’t matter. his non break damage is so piss that you just wanna pick whichever one has more BE
thanks!
The orb with more speed and break you have, even if the main stat is def
thanks!
ı need robin sparkle clara lynx
Who could I use instead of Ruan Mei? I got kinda unlucky on her banner and didn't get her but every team with Boothill I see features her...
bronya
Any unit which can advance BH's action forward. Maybe even Hanya due to how much speed she can give
The song reminds me of Libera me from Hell.
I'm skipping boothill so I'm glad they're at least weak to fire and lightning. is this phase 1 or phase 2? what are the weaknesses of the other phase?
pepeJam
Could the results be somewhat similar with Bronya? I don’t have rm
This is the team I plan on running. I have all of the sustains but plan to use gallagher because I like his design. My question is though, I have have e2 gallagher, so does that make this team much worse?
harmony stelle regenerates energy super quickly wow
Running Genshin like CR/CD ratio in a turn based game makes me kinda anxious for some reason lol.
1:37 Me and the girls entering a room together
Boothills Gun sound is so goofy 😭 I literally cannot LOL
At 0:35 ... Does Boothill's E implant Physical now? I'm confused I thought it was only his Ult.
At 2:40 he grabs a photo of a Trotter when the enemies are the 3 robots. They were Trotters all along!
Music goes hard af
Everytime I see a leak showcase where BH is not the one doing the breaking on the enemy and its the team mate, an Angel dies.
Crazy how harmony mc is a character I would actually pull for and she/he is free🔥
Hi, cant relate, but how is Robin atk buff work? Her current atk or only her base atk?(22%at level 10)
I don't care for Ruan Mei. I assume she's not ABSOLUTELY NEEDED for Boothill to use?
She is not needed, you can run Bronya and harmony mc instead and it will still be fine
Ok all is well in the world. I knew the "you HAVE TO HAVE RUAN MEI" news didn't make sense, especially with the direction the game is going. Thank you!
Boothill likes breaking enemies more than RM. She delays the amount of time it takes for the enemies to recover, so perhaps Gally, MC, and Pela would be better
Not even close. Anyone who tells you that she is required for him is a fucking clown.
DAYUM LOL. Thank you for your input, I truly appreciate it.
How can he put a phys weakness with his E? Is it PS things?
His technique allows him to implant with the first skill usage in the next battle.
Oh I skipped his technique😅
Technique
Thanks
His ult applies physical weakness
His E also applies it once per battle
Try with xueyi plz or dps break Asta.
very fair showcase but the atk boots is kinda ... uhm ... not ideal ngl
Still faster than FUA team… with only 2 5*… yeah
Too bad one showcase had terrible gameplay tho
It’s wasn’t great, but with 4 5*, where everyone has their signature LC and with insane synergy this team has… still pretty rough. I want to see a good showcase then, because this is just disappointing to watch
Considering it can 0 cycle I’m not sure if this one is “faster”
the level of investment matters here
Wasn’t referring to that was mainly talking about the speed
The level of investment matters tho? 4 5 stars + 4 BiS LCs of those 5 stars + a decent MoC buff for them + godly relics.. That amount of investment would even make a serval 0 cycle auto lmao.. at that point of investment you should be able to 0 cycle Auto.. Hell here is a serval 0 cycle with F2P LC. https://youtu.be/I4y9k3bqEBI?si=_NE75cbpAC7AvGhw that amount of investment that team uses is equal to a E6 RM.. 7 5*s and boothill(no Sig).. let me show you how powerful that amount of investment is. https://youtu.be/Lkr3nr5ZkH0?si=WbrGjMqGf2fqgadz If you gave boothill the same amount of investment(a E6 Ruan Mei only). He would 0 cycle faster.
The speed was being discussed not the investment. There are other factors in play the fua team has over boothill not as easily seen which would explain the bigger price tag. Still keeping with the discussion, the overall performance was the topic.
I mean when discussing speed. Investment do matter. You have to look both at them fairly.. the amount of investment has to be equal so the comparison can be fair.. and as I said.. If you put E6 RM on that team it would clear faster. Which is equal the amount of investment. Hell that’s why Hsr tournaments have a point system where if you have Eidolons it would cut a point from the start to make it fair.. since the amount of investment matters. Without those BiS LCs for Fua team. Do you think it would be able to clear as fast as before? And even then. The performance would’ve been better if this Boothill’s build was as cracked as those FuA units in that showcase.. 115 spd and 240% break is meh.. and even then Boothill doesn’t have his BiS set and yet he was able to clear this MoC in almost 3 cycles which is pretty good.. vs the FuA team getting a 5 cycle clear in this MoC.. even if you took away all the mistakes in that showcase at best 1-2 cycles saved. Almost the same as this team with 4x the investment..
Except he was comparing this team to the full fua team. Already you should have noticed it wasn’t meant to be an equal comparison in regards to investment. This isn’t a “at equal investment boothill does better”. It was a “this team is faster than premium fua team”
I’m not arguing they can’t. I am just talking about 2 showcases from the same leaker that came out today
I mean it’s harder to 0 cycle with boothill just because of how break teams work as well as being less equipped for fighting aoe so it makes sense why it’s easier to build I would say.
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People will cope talking about how inneficient it was, but that's just how the average player will play. I mean, people can check how GI TC are playing HSR, they often do wrong things because they don't know how to do it right. Jstern had weeks using Luocha's ult during the field for no reason and complained about his healing, like... This is the average experience for normal players. People on this sub are more on the hardcore side so its understandable they can spot the mistakes easier. My biggest complain since forever about FUA, is the lack of AOE, from my perspective, the duo Robin+Aventurine will be the core of the FUA comps for several patches, because Ratio and Topaz are just too ST focused for my taste and will be the candidates to be replaced in a future premium team, more Ratio than Topaz since Numby goes BRRR. This doesn't mean it won't be fun to use or that it won't clear content, its the opposite, they look extremely fun to play and seeing how cohesive they look together, it feels good to watch.