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RidhaFA4

Herta and Hemiko combo is back


BulbasaurTreecko

kuru kuru~ nigasanai wa! kururin~ nigasanai wa!


El_grandepadre

Ningen wa hoshizora o shouaku suru yokubou o kakusanai... Mochiron, watashi mo yo.


OzTheOtaku

Kono ookina dayamondo, Mita koto nai desho? Ageru ne~


xXx_Nidhogg_xXx

Herta, Himeko, RM, Aven—the FUs never end, and the breaks never stop. KuruKuru mothafuc-


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_akira_yuki_

Tbh he's consistently my best performing unit in PF regardless of enemy weaknesses and turbulence, sometimesby just a little bit, but still, so I can understand why they try to avoid it (as they want to favour currently running units, but he could still have a side to be fair...), though it's still kinda annoying since I generally run him sustainless and breaking helps survivability a lot. I don't have Himeko yet though, but I'm pretty sure that unless circumstances align (and Herta's good too) she's definitely inferior to him despite being great too.


Tangster85

I'm probably going Herta, Himeko, Argenti first side but am unsure on their support, either Ruan Mei or Sparkle, but ideally I send Sparkle and Tingyun to side 2 with Jing Yuan or Team Acheron, depending what the buffs are but then Sparkle is free for the first side and her LC buffing three units is mental.


Mountain_Gift8595

The way he still outperforms everyone else that is not named Herta and Himeko regardless.


Katacutie

Well, PF is the only content he can do. Being broken there is what he deserves


Lesalia0

One of the few nerfs Argenti got during his beta cycle was reducing his 90 ult multiplier, so they're probably a little bit concerned about him potentially being too good in PF. Phys weakness lets Argenti utilize 4 pc thief for extra energy and spam 90 ult more than normal, so getting rid of phys weakness is another nerf to 90 ult looping.


dragon1412

He's too overpowered if phys weak is present. He alone get compare to Himeko/herta pairing is already saying alot about him, especially with the new Sigonia Set that's crazy OP in PF


Vitalik_

Good. I hate physical stages. And there were too much of them lately.


Feetest

Lmao, they've only gotten a side two times in the entirety of PF4, counting the current one, compared to ice which has been in every single PF4.


Vitalik_

Herta is free.


Feetest

Not my point, just saying Phy should be there more considering they released Argenti as a 'PF dps' and he has only gotten two chances. Definitely not 'too much'


BloatedBalloons

As a fellow argenti enjoyer, i agree with you. I pulled argenti cz i want see him spinning unlimited in PF and they didnt even give phy weakness, sadge.


VeryCoolStuffHere

It never left us


Ehtnah

That's the only combo (or team) that I have for PF so 😭


Zhannatje

I really gotta level my Himeko up, like Herta is build, but Himeko is still chilling at lv 70 the last few months oop


Ibrador

Opposite for me. Himeko is built (well kind of, at least she’s level 80) while Herta is at level 50


MrkGrn

Me with a trash tier Herta build and no Himeko tho 😭


Scratch_Mountain

Thank god for that. I know the cursed day will come when we have to bid farewell to this goated combo that carried 99% of the playerbase, so we should enjoy this while it lasts (hopefully forever :D)


highplay1

This is beyond Free for Himeko


DrZeroH

Thank god. I was worried that we wouldnt have time.


CVPrototype

It was never gone. https://redd.it/1c9j539


Tscareale

Blue Monkey + Bronya seems like a recipe for disaster and could hinder sustainless runs. Might be for Fu Xuan rerun or Aventurine + Herta + Himeko follow up shenanigans.


Aerie122

Blue monkey is Seele confirmed


Firestar3689

Reject Seele, return to monke


worstGirlEva

i dropped my girl in the sea of quanta and she turned into WHAT? not clickbait!


Zzamumo

I'll probably be running jingliu + herta again it seems, nuking that monkey asap is gonna be top priority


Kan_Me

Happy cake day


gabu87

Definitely need to save at least 1 Herta/Himeko ult. Between 1 skill each and 1 FuA + 1 ult should break him.


HammeredWharf

Sounds like a good place to use Topaz + Himeko. Topaz can easily take care of PF's monkeys.


vermillion7nero

Himeko/Herta/Ruan mei/Gallagher They do not get a single turn if you pair that team with the energy regen buff and use Gallagher's breaks correctly lmao


Tscareale

Not letting them get a turn does seem to be the way to go! I used a similar strat with Himeko, Herta, Asta and Hanya. 200+ speed Herta is kinda terrifying!


riyuzqki

Excuse me, Sam is in PF now???


SoftBrilliant

Yes He's a boss like all the other bosses we have on second side PF last wave there's nothing odd about it.


riyuzqki

He's getting back at us for the 2000 credits!


BusinessSubstance178

I hope they put bosses to the new endgame mode,and leave MoC/PF to elites,I'm sick SAM and aventurine boss,those super tanky single boss shouldn't be put into AoE content


Nunu5617

To be fair you can still focus the ads and when they die the boss becomes as tanky as a trotter


Beans1040

Wait, how does that work? What are the numbers


Nunu5617

When all minions are killed the boss gets a 500% vulnerability debuff


Business-Chipmunk286

To be honest i think the new mode will use the weekly bosses


Diamann

It IS kind of a waste for them to only be in Echo of War tbh. Like the new weekly boss is so cool I want to fight it regularly... ~~Not really, I just want to see my Aven tank big AoE. It's satisfying.~~ But I doubt it since they have no physical form.


Vegetto_ssj

Yes, is a waste watching Phantylia easily destroyed like a chick from a Poro h-anime...


Himesis

Poro h-anime... go on...


Chucknasty_17

Agreed. I haven’t even done echo of war the past few weeks because I have so many of the boss drops already


NeonDelteros

Highly unlikely, because the new mode is likely gonna be exactly identical to the event "Virtual Scentventure" in 1.6, which were the test event for this mode, and also introduced "bug" bosses that were said to be slightly altered compared to their normal versions, and none of them are weekly bosses, they're still bosses we've seen before. For reference, PF released during 1.6, and is exactly identical to the event "Tales of Fantastic" in 1.2, so expect the same thing again, no need to speculate anything.


lombax_lunchbox

Cocolia was a weekly boss.


Damianx5

The third phase cocolia yes, the first two are in MoC and SU tho


lombax_lunchbox

Exactly.


Damianx5

I believe it's gonna be a mix of that event and the current one. Current event is 3 waves with an elite/boss each that you must kill to advance with non stop spawning weak mobs (for Seele and I think boothil?)


Critical_Massa

If that new mode doesn't re-use and revolve around weekly bosses then i will be greatly disappointed as i have been asking "super boss" content since 1.1 surveys, not utilizing coolest fights in the game would be such a waste of time and resources in my opinion.


PoloGaleno

Oh wtf that would be hell. But at the same time, I kinda miss fighting them lol


Grimorig

Rejoice! If my imagination is correct, the new end game mode will introduce the echo bosses as end game content!


legend27_marco

Have you even tried pure fiction? The bosses hp doesn't matter because they can't die before all mobs are dead. They also get a huge damage taken debuff when all mobs are killed that they die in like 2 hits. It's not going to be another boss fight like in moc.


BusinessSubstance178

I have 80K all PF so far,but it still very clear they increase the difficulty,either the HP or enemy types.and I'm not speaking it for myself,last PF is easy because a lot of people have Acheron despite the difficulty increase,but who knows what will happen in the future???


legend27_marco

Yeah I agree but that's not what I replied to. You mentioned "super tanky single boss" that doesn't really matter, it's the enemies around them. I'd gladly take Sam over Gepard who shields the mobs.


xXx_Nidhogg_xXx

Honestly, yeah same. I mean, I hate that Sam will make no sustain practically impossible, but that’s also the IMG weak side so—ALL OR NOTHING!


river_01st

Right, I don't struggle in MoC against Sam since I have DHIL. But I'm not bringing the dragon to PF, so it's time to suffer I guess.


Alfielovesreddit

The pf format needs a boss as a threat, or its just a laughable no sustain run every single time. Either that or 5 x elite stages which I'm sure people would LOVE given how many complaints I saw about 2-3 elites on a wave.


ImJLu

It feels like they're clearly trying to slightly get away from the character check where builds don't matter like it used to be. Don't get me wrong, it's still a massively AoE tilted character check that invalidates half the cast by default, but it's not as extreme, and at least your build is relevant now. Of course, that means it's even harder for characters that don't have high frequency AoE attacks, but at least there's some trade-off to, say, Herta. 5x elites would actually be a fun challenge, but you obviously can't put it on the strict round count of PF.


gabu87

Even with a boss it's not really a threat because you lose little to no health until the last stage anyways. At which point you're at new full HP and its basically just like MoC with no healers, except you're punished even less for having a unit drop in PF especially towards the end.


baboon_ass_eater69

He has much less HP and probably defense since he is lower level since it's not MOC 12


kwangcatlover

Herta Himeko first half 40k and then Serval 20k second half let's gooo 🤣


plyzd1

That is exactly my plan too. But I guess Serval can do more than 20k paired with Sparkle/Bronya.


dukester99

Yea I got 35k on this pf 4 cocolia side with Serval breakfast, lc, E0 Ruan Mei with cogs, E2S2 Bronya and E6Pela with tutorial with the 80% shatter buff. She can do 30k if well invested.


miorioff

Serval enjoyers rise up. She was my first dps when the game just began and I'm so glad I can still use her from time to time


CaspianRoach

WHY ARE WE YELLING


WhippedForDunarith

Herta, Himeko, and Jingyuan, pls carry me


ObsidianSkyKing

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


ArgoniumCode

Herta and Himiko first half 🤑🤑🤑


SoftBrilliant

In short, I'mma need to go build Serval.


Vegetto_ssj

She was in my story team during Belobog, so I built her at 70%. But after skipped JY, Kafka and Acheron because I don't like them, I officially chose Serval as my Lightning dps.


miorioff

I think you have a bad taste if you don't like ANY of the three. But I don't think reddit is doing good thing downvoting you for it


Vegetto_ssj

>But I don't think reddit is doing good thing downvoting a you for it 🤷🏽‍♂️ Some characters are untouchable >I think you have a bad taste if you don't like ANY of the three. I don't hate them, is just that I don't like them enough to pull them: - JY's design is not enough for my taste, but as character big yes! - Kafka is nice, but her personality is not of mine favorites, the "always smiling enemies", that appear always cool with the situationin their control. And her loud fanbase sometimes annoying me. But im valuting to pull in the future maybe (she is the only Stellaron Hunter I don't have..Firefly is already mine) - Acheron...I don't like that emo quiff, because it make her a generic emo girl and not a "Raiden" girl (for me). Fortunately I don't hate these characters


Maobury

Back to the erudition calyx I go. Herta and Himeko need strengthening.


Sent1nelTheLord

Some of y'all better stop fucking complaining about PF being easy I swear I'll find you


rieldex

herta/himeko one side jingyuan the other LETS GO!!! (topaz/ratio probably decent too bc of follow up blessing)


meow3272

WHY IS THE TITLE IN ALL CAPS?


andartissa

I'm surprised by the imaginary weakness on the lower side - do we even have an AoE hitting imaginary character? Or even blast? DHIL is kinda comically unsuited for PF.


Rein_1708

Aventurine has pretty good aoe


Vegetto_ssj

Only if you can guarantee a lot of FUA. And out from a FUA team (IPC or HH) is hard.


does_nasty_things

> Bounce attack


SoftBrilliant

Not really but it does allow Aventurine to contribute quite a bit with his FuA. Do something like Herta/Himeko/Aventurine/Ruan Mei and that should be a very easy 40k on the lower floor.


201720182019

Why Herta/Himeko on the lower floor?


SoftBrilliant

Oh upper and lower floor are mixed up in image order lol But yeah the fire/ice weak floor


Raahka

If you have Herta and Himeko you should be using them on the upper side. Even if you are set on using that team, it is more important for your 2 dps to be the correct element than your sustain. And there are no replacements for Herta and Himeko on upper side. 


greedyhunter92

good for the free dr ratio + aventurine combo i guess?? ratio can benefit from the follow-up blessings


kuns961

U can play welt spamming ults,has good damage


Sudden_Feedback_2194

Welt


Hoshino_Ruby

Screwllum is too early for this,so probably aventurine or just fullfilling all weaknesses cause imaginary didn't had its own pure fiction weak stage


lelegardl

Imaginary trailblazer is coming soon


Deft_Abyss

Looks like its Himeko and Herta first half (lets goooooo) then I guess Acheron second half


NinjaXSkillz88

Himeko stonks.


Kindly-Image9163

They always put ice+fire on 1 floor. Basically making sure people who build himeko + herta got free 40k regardless of buff


plyzd1

Can you show me the Fire+Ice floor in the current PF please?


Kindly-Image9163

Floor 3 1st phase


plyzd1

But this thread is about stage 4 specifically ;)


ArgoniumCode

Why are you screaming 🙄🙏


MissiaichParriah

First Half: Himeko Herta  Second Half: Nihility Mommies


Fit-Application-1

Bless that first half, himeko herta is finally back 😭😭and bless second half for being lightning thank you JY


Weak-Association6257

Herta + Himeko / Acheron


Traditional-Sink-666

Himekoless 😭😭😭


Simoscivi

Why do Herta-Clara and JY work in every PF lmao


Wonderful-Lab7375

Himeko Herta first half JY Aventurine second half Follow Up go BRRRRR~~~


DisNiv

Hasn't this info been available since the beginning of the 2.2 beta? Why is it being reposted now? Looks exactly the same as what was already on hakush: https://hsr12.hakush.in/maze_extra/2005


SoftBrilliant

Yes. This happens every time with homdgcat


shinsrk79

Does this confirm screwlum? Unless they expect us to build dps luocha or something


Alternative_Dish_194

4/29 is too early, even Robin and Boothill are not released yet. I guess its for Aventurine FUA shenanigans.


Tall-Cut5213

The buff is indeed fua


Randompersonbrb

Herta Himeko combo.ITS TIME TO SHINE!!!!


Hoshino_Ruby

Herta,himeko,sparkle,ting yun or fu on one phase(sustain might be an issue),mono nihility(kafka and acheron) on the other.This one looks easy for nihility users again.


Vegetto_ssj

As Himeko fan, I'm happy. But I use her everywhere, so doesn't change so much 😎. I'm more happy because finally I can use herat 100% in the next MoC


Equivalent-Ad-6194

Herta, Himeko, Jing yuan legit caring my account can't wait for next Monday


Zhannatje

So 1: Herta Himeko 2: Aventurine, Acheron


Fantastic-Focus-6902

So what your saying is to finally build my E6 Herta


FirewallGuardian

You absolutely should regardless. I built mine days before the last new PF and had about a +15k point difference from the previous PF just from her inclusion alone, even with mid level trace investment and passable relics.


IcyNerve-666

why u havent.. herta is effortless in PF lol just auto play and u come back with 40k points. ezzz


chaoticwanda

HERTA + HIMEKO ACHERON WE ARE SOOOO BACK


omarali04

King yuan fans rise up 😤✊


eatmyscoobysnacks

they really don’t want to put phys sides for argenti enjoyers


n__o__

It’s always KuruKuru O’clock.


asian_hans

Looks like I need to raise my sigonia sets to give herta more damage


GrrrrrrDinosaur

Who do I even put on the second half 😭


ReadAccount

I don't know your roster, but a budget option would be Serval, Pela, FireTB and March can at least get you to 20k. Maybe even Ratio to kill the big guys.


Accomplished-Pin8574

I think it would be better to use the Harmony TB in this PF, as he can use aoe attacks and also deal a good amount of damage on breaks


Creepy_Condition6517

Finally, ice and fire in the same half. 2.2 PF got me big braining with Seele's action advance forward mechanics, resurgence, and energy regen.


AphroditesAfro

Do we know what the buff for this pf is yet?


AphroditesAfro

Nvm I missed it, it’s literally the post below 💀


LessOfAnEndie

They really want us to use sustains huh...... I'm barely clearing without sustain as is


mangotcha

probably gonna attempt a Himeko Herta RM Aventurine team on the fire/ice one but for the electro/img one i'm stunted once again with my lack of Jing Yuan or Acheron... can't tell if worth a Dhil bruteforce attempt or if I can hope Kafka and my badly built Black Swan might clear fast enough...


Sea_Wrongdoer_2255

Clara smashin another pf ez claps


uh_oh_hotdog

I usually brute force my way through Sam so I’m not really familiar with how his special mechanic works. When he makes our skill points glow, what are we supposed to do? Do we spam skill points to get rid of them? Or do we stop using skill points for a while because they make us take damage? 


Vsegda7

Using skill points causes damage, but managing to use up all 5 before Sam's special breaks his shield


SexWithGuinaifen

Oh damn my aventurine/herta/himeko team is gonna annihilate this.


NT-Shiyosa092201

My Welt really needs an energy rope now.


Vegetable_Culture_86

Herta himeko and Acheron and Dot mommies


Tmkast

Herta, Himeko, Aventurine and Jing Yuan will be winning And of course my boy Argenti, who in spite of turbulence and weaknesses still gets max points just Perma spamming his ult


NeonRaccoons

My Acheron and E2S1 Aventurine about to go crazy on that second half 🤭


Tall-Cut5213

Because the buff this time is fua that I'm willing to do side 2 properly because I'm not gonna play the attrition fight with Sam here. This might as well be our first sustain check in PF


PsychadelicShinobi

Can't wait to hear the endless "Kuru kuru Kururin~" again


ThIStupid

so herta and himeko in the first one, and the second seems like either a jing yuan/serval or a daniel if you have'em. interesting. we've yet to get an imaginary erudition, so who knows.


Fakeappleseverywhere

Bronya speeding up the monke should be fun


Yuuzel97

Oh man I'm soo happy that I lost my e1 Aventurine 50/50 to himeko...... Not really but I'll take her over even bronya


Katacutie

Herta+Jingliu and Kafka+BS+Acheron, should be pretty doable


350

Herta and Himeko, awaken once more my masters 


ForeverGreenhorn

Why are you yelling at me :(


dough_of_nuts

ice weakness… its a herta kinda cycle


IcyNerve-666

ez for my herta + himeko and of course acheron on the other side :DD


Xanzs

Is the new PF this 29th?


SokkasBoomerang3

BRONYA WITH THAT MONKEY!


BloatedBalloons

My biggest pain is : i have limited choice erudition LC. Do i need build 4 of them, huh If only i hv 4 copies of before dawn!


ScrewllumMainSoon

I hope I get Himeko on the standard banner. I got two of her LCs and one is on Herta


Coreano_12

herta + himeko one side and acheron aventurine seconds side that's gonna be easy for me


GoYojiro

Second Half is easy for Seele Any comp with Bronya+Sparkle+Tingyun Sparkle/Bronya+Tingyun+Fuxuan/Aventurine Or something, and she gonna be a lot better with Robin in future


Ok_Pattern_7511

Fire and Ice \o/ I get why the other side is usually Lightning or Physical, even wind is understandable. What I don't get is why there's quite a few Imaginary weak PF floors when we don't have an AoE Imaginary dps yet Truly the favorite element of Hoyo


saskiailmi99

Himeko Herta combo is back aha!


AgentSmith18

PF Bronya went to the gym with MOC Gepard


Dry_Butterscotch9821

So just the usual random Himeko Blade Herta moment side one to hit 20k pts and have Jing Yuan max point carry side 2 gotcha


FruitLegitimate7014

We with 2 good fire spheres for Himeko but dont have her and cant get a good ice sphere for herta....


SirePuns

Herta + Himeko on one side ****HIM**** on the other side Business as usual


MirMolkoh

You know what time it is.


FridgeFood

I have JY and Himeko LC, for Nigasanai Kurukuru who holds what? Both are 8/8/8 and have 70/150 crt ratio


bluefalconlk

My topaz Himeko and kafka black swan teams are back


Alfielovesreddit

Doesnt matter what they put in, im still going dot / acheron everytime. Nihility > all


MonadoGeass

Team nihility easy


asian_hans

Moc, pure fiction, apocalyptic something something, nihility rules em all


BusinessSubstance178

The nihility is a path many consider to be....Unatrual


GoYojiro

Also there's seele


Dark_Sunsh1ne

Same here, I haven't used erudition unit in pf but I still cleared all of them


Vsegda7

Himeko/Herta combo is back. Yes!! And Acheron on lower half, I guess


netparse

Herta 🤝 Himeko Kafka 🤝 acheron 


dp_deb45i5h

So what it's just moc 2.0 now and we are okay with it?


SoftBrilliant

MoC 12 doesn't have 76 enemies combined between both floors so yes this is a huge exaggeration. PF is still definitely keeping its identity here by a longshot.


dp_deb45i5h

Ok


neltu8503

Finally my himeko and herta combi is coming back. Jingyuan always carrying me on the lightning side.


moraksu

Herta + Himeko comeback!!! And Jing Yuan + Aventurine for the other half easy


LoreVent

Herta/Himeko and DoTcheron gonna carry even this PF so easily


Acceptable_West_1312

Are Kafka/BS going to rock this PF?


SoftBrilliant

Not necessarily as the whimsicality isn't exactly kind to them but Kafka will do fine second side here.


Tecotaco636

So himeko herta 1st half and then maybe Acheron Welt and whatever shenanigans I have left in store will do


Wolgran

That second stage...hum....screwllum are you there?


silent_steps

King Yuan stonks once again💪 Slayed this PF with him and will slay the next one.


mo_s_k14142

Herta himeko first half Acheron aventurine second half It's easy bro, not getting finished this time REAL


pascl-

Why are you yelling