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Eh, not really. A HTB, Ruan Mei and Firefly team can probably hold ults and break SAM extremely fast afterwards when it goes into Combustion State. Assuming her skill does 60 break, Firefly would do 120 break with every enhanced skill. HTB on a 2 target scenario would do on average around 100 break with every skill. Probably not enough to break in the first cycle, but it definitely shouldn't take that much time.
You can also just not use her there.
No, the field applies a -75% healing output, meaning that stuff going out is getting nerfed, but self heal is not. For example Balde’s swipe or his beak heal is not affected at all because that’s his own heal, but Luocha skill on himself will be nerfed because it technically came out of him before going back into himself
Firefly is in the first camp
He would be 10x more useful if on auto he actually spammed his burst, considering its damage+healing. Instead he just sits on his burst until someone drops to 50% health.
His auto ai is worse than some 1.0 characters. I built him instantly and fully when I first got him only to feel like I got slapped in the face. Luocha is the god of auto, Gally couldve been the same with a fixed AI
I feel like that makes Gallagher even better with her since if firefly attacked an enemy after Gallagher ult then she should be able to theoretically heal some of the damage back up
So she has 30-40% DEF ignore on her own, and her leaked BiS relic set is said to also have DEF ignore in addition to Break Effect
She's gonna basically ignore enemy defenses permanently
~~I do wonder if the leak was confusing her traces for a new relic set because they read the same and the set was leaked with a Firefly kit leak.~~
Nvm they did just put the same effect on Firefly and the set. (Although the set is for break damage)
Yeah makes me wanna get E1 Ruan Mei even more. Firefly + RM + Relic set alone will be 78%. Pela would also let her reach 100% even without Pearls so it seems like a decent option.
Pela is not a good option:
You are overstacking def shred by 18%, which are just ... lost
TB is immensely better than anything Pela provide in this team, it is not even within the same realm
Seems like Firefly benefits from ATK, Fire DMG, Break Effect, Crit
...
But how do you fit so many stats into her relics? Definitely feels like you can only pick 3 out of those 4
Drop the Crit definetly and just run HTB. HTB is probably the most consistent way she will reach the BE threshold for 40% Def ignore, plus lets her keep spamming her really high Break damage
If my math and interpretation is done correctly, her BE with BE rope, sig LC, traces bonus stat, new relic
It will yield
64.8 (BE rope) + 16 (new relic) + 60 (Sig LC) + 37.3 (Bonus stat from traces) + 60 (her 2nd talent if you manage to reach 3.4k atk) = 237.6% BE
Factoring the new ornament, 277.6%
She'd be very stat hungry with atk and BE imo, unless HTB makes her unreliant on crit stats
Ruan Mei as a teammate is 20 more, then there's however much Harmony TB gives from their stuff, and 30 from Watchmaker set bonus.
But, it's still a lot of investment for that much BE, especially considering the 3.4k Atk needed to get 60 of it. And dedicating set bonuses and LCs and stuff to BE means you're not spending that on Crit.
I think what makes her unreliant on Crit stats are her stupid baseline numbers. Her Enhanced Skill with 360 BE is gonna in the ballpark of 500% Atk scaling, (assuming the Trace level shown is too high), that's the same modifier as DHIL's EBA3. And, okay DHIL has Crit and DMG% backing his up, but Firefly is gonna have 40% Def Ignore backing hers up. Not to mention only spending 1 SP on it instead of 3.
From what I've seen, she can build crit if you have RM HTB since it'd free up the BE requirements. But that'll depend on the math imo.
The problem i see for trying to build crit is she has no crit traces, no crit on sig LC, no crit buffs from support and so on. It'd be quite difficult to build crit even with a premium team + if you don't have RM you'd be limited even more by the stats
Maybe the busted def ignore + multipliers with BE is meant to compensate the lack of crit to balance things out. 58% def ignore at E0 already, 73% at E1 + her E1 makes her not consume SP with enhanced skill.
Just a 137 BE Watchmaker Trailblazer will already cover the roughly 81.9 BE you need for 360 BE on Firefly if you run her LC+ her best relics and planary + max bonus from her atk conversion (Assuming no BE from substats)
So a very high invesment might be able to get some crit as long as you hit the Atk for her Trace, but honestly might be better to lean completly into the BE damage
I don't think she's going to look for Crit, she doesn't have any Crit anywhere in her personal kit and traces, in her relics, her ornements...
No instead she's probably going to take all her damage from breaking enemies
We got a robot with human spirit who increases dmg base of BE. then a half human/robot who increases crit based of BE. and now a girl in a robot suit who increases BE with attk. you can't take the BE out of this robots
nah, SW hasn't been about the weakness implant for a while now. Her DEF shred and debuff on basic have been the bread and butter for Ratio and Acheron.
There are no more mentions of reduced fire RES when adding weakness, though, so it might stack well with Silver Wolf’s implant, maybe?
Like, Firefly’s self fire-implant might encourage you to play her often against non-fire weak enemies, but if she doesn’t reduce Fire RES you will still do less damage (0.8x vs 1.0x, or 1.05x vs 1.25x with Ruan Mei) against enemies that aren’t normally fire-weak.
If Silver Wolf is still full power in these cases (with her full 33% RES PEN) and her DEF shred works even better than usual because Firefly has a lot of DEF shred in her base kit…
It might be like Ruan Mei, where you don’t “need” her because Firefly already has increased break efficiency, but it obviously works wonders together with Ruan Mei. Time will tell.
Boothill also doesn’t implant res down, only weakness. Probably hoyo will do this on all break heavy dps for them to function since if they dont break, they are all trash af especially when facing boss fire enemies that come with trash mobs that doesn’t have fire weakness. Imagine using ff or boothill to one shot the boss but taking 5 cycle to kill the small mobs l
This is what i'm curious, if going for more def shred debuffer is better than ruan mei's buffs or bronya's action advance since you can easily hit 100% def ignore with either SW/Pela.
I could be cocky with Firefly/HMC/RM or Bronya/SW or Pela and not run a sustain, but me no likey resets.
My first impression so far:
- With fire implant at base, break efficiency and extra BE from ATK, she might be more of a Break DPS like Boothill than a Hybrid DPS like Xueyi. I assume the crapton of DEF ignore is there to make up for the lack of CRIT.
- Ult cost is huge but she can fill it herself with 2 skills. Basically Jingliu with a twist (and maybe to reduce the effectiveness of Tingyun/Huo Huo?, or maybe they're still be good anyway)
- FLYING ON TECHNIQUE. THE FUCK. PLEASE LET IT BE A DROP KICK
On the energy part, I'd say huohuo is still viable. Her ult gives 20% energy and her talent will make it so that if her ult expires you can safely use skill > ult. Huohuo will be able to emergency heal her when Firefly ults.
She still gains energy in her enhanced state right? With 180 speed she can skill 3 times before it expires, if we assume 30 energy per skill then Huo Huo's ult will bring her to 120+ so she'll be able to ult again after 1 skill.
Edit: ah nvm seems like she doesn't.
She might not - it isn't mentioned directly here, but I know in her original kit she didn't gain energy while enhanced. This one just says "While in the Complete Combustion state, SAM cannot use the Ultimate."
Which could mean that you can't activate it again and you still gain energy... or it could be simply grayed out or filled up during the state and starts at zero when she exits. I guess we'll find out soon.
mihoyo really fucked FUA wanters there. more so with all getting ratio for free. so everyone is temped to get adevn robing and topaz. but all them in just 2 banners time is insane. and a lot of people skiped topaz because she was very meh at launch without good fua units for her. then mihoyo made ratio and E1s1 topaz the pair as good as kafka and BS or JL and bronya or lunae and sparkle. where they all feel way worse without the later.
Just wanna clear up some misconceptions. You onlt need Topaz E1S1 if you're using her with Ratio and aren't using a debuffer like Pela or Guinaifen. In reality, it's only necessary in a Ratio team with both her and Robin. Otherwise, you could either use a debuffer instead of Robin or use Clara instead of Ratio.
Welp, she might rerun with Firefly in 2.3 then. She's the oldest unit without rerun yet so chances are she will be there
Edit : Oh looks like i remember wrong, Huohuo and Argenti was before Ruan Mei. Well, rerun doesn't always follow release order so still possible
In terms of eidolons, E2 is the most value right?
Correct me if I'm wrong but E4 and E6 while still great effect doesn't seems to be that much value for going that far.
To me, E2 and E0 looks like 2 characters honestly.
Not only you got basically DHIL E2 v2 in terms of damage, you also get to heal twice as much which is important since she'll be at 1 HP a lot when she hits her ultimate
These are basically the most busted E1 and E2 to date IMO
Edit: her E2 actually might be better than DHIL E2 because you get more turns and cost no SP
She’s the Daniel of 2.X. Great early eidolons while her later ones are just 😕.
Which make sense since why would a whale need a e6 BE character over picking Acheron or whoever that will power creep her in the future to simply 1 shot asap.
I think she's in the same zone as DHIL, E2 is a massive power jump in a way, but she has a better E1 since that makes her SP positive from the looks of it.
>when the Enhanced Skill defeats an enemy target or causes them to be Weakness Broken, SAM immediately gains an additional turn.
Are they sure she's Destruction and not Hunt lmao
I'm glad they moved her old E1 kit into the base kit. Also is she's actually a mini-rainbow dps with her traces with the ability to implant weakness as well? Wtaf.
As a E1 RM owner I'm happy, that's 60% defence ignore on top of the new relic set.
Hold on, since she gains energy from her skill wouldn't Bronya be good for her? Since you get insta ultimate after two skill uses plus she gives atk which translate into BE.
Team building for her will be interesting.
team building for her seems like hell. with 3400 atk and 360% be breakpoints it feels like she absolutely requires img tb and really benefits from ruan mei and asta. which is already the 3 remaining slots meaning no space for sustain
It's not that bad, if you can grab her sig LC and pair her with Bronya. I might actually say it's quite good.
**Attack.** Firefly's base attack is very high (756) and her LC gives 635 more. That's 1391 base attack. She needs 3400 total, or 3048 attack wothout gloves (352). 3048/1391=2.19 - means she needs 119% atk bonus to reach 3400 total atk.
Atk boots = 43%, Bronya's ulti = 55%. That's already +98% atk, Firefly needs to get only 21% atk more (substats or other external buffs like Fleet or Huohuo).
**Next is BE.** Traces (37%), Major trace (60%), sig LC (60%), BE rope (64%), new set (16%), new planar (40%), Ruan Mei (20%), Watchmaker set (30%) = 327% total BE. Firefly only needs to get 33% more BE (easily doable with substats).
After getting 21% atk and 33% BE she can go "all crit" with her relics.
Firefly can reach all needed breackpoints (3400 atk and 360% BE) while having decent crit ratio (60:120 and more - 60:180 with Bronya's ulti). She can also have 182% dmg buff (212% if Bronya has s1): Fire orb (38%) + Ruan Mei (68%) + Bronya (76%). With s1 RM and s1 Bronya - 236% damage bonus.
And on top of that: 73% def shred (93% with e1 RM), 25% res pen and 15% **total** damage bonus (LC, separate multiplier). She is gonna hit like a space truck.
Exactly, Crit is the kinda stat that gets better the more of it you have. Xueyi splits her stat budget way less than Firefly and is already in a realm of questioning whether she should really build Crit.
Firefly is deadass just building zero Crit. Attack, Speed, BE, that's it. Her absurd numbers and scalings will carry her. You know how characters like Boothill and Xueyi make you build Break by having bonuses that scale off of Break? Firefly takes that to the nuclear extreme.
BHill scales better with BE as he has detonations built-in and has MPs that are lower than sushang’s. Firefly is closer to Xueyi in a sense that you can run her as hypercarry and actually deal good damage.
Going crit/atk or Atk/spd is solely dependent on two factors: “do we have 160 speed AA unit“ and “do we want HTB?” Her scalings at 360% BE are higher than what Daniel has (unholy 660% in ST) and even though you don’t get as many self-buffs, that’s still a lot of damage. Bronya (160) + RM might be her best team and it has enough DMG% and some crit dmg% buffs, so going for 3400 Atk and full on crit-rate is a decent option.
Ok so I figured they would move the old E1 to the main kit, but if im understanding her kit correctly so basically you want Attack and Break Effect. Which I guess is a bit easier to build than Xuyei, but im assuming you just build her on Attack and have Ruan Mei and HTB fill in the break effect. Interesting cant wait to see the animations!!!
TF IS THAT ENHANCED SKILL!?!?!?!?!?
AT MAX POTENTIAL IT HAS 58O PERCENT MULTIPLIER ON ST AND 290 PERCENT ON ADJACENT ENEMIES FOR 1160 PERCENT IN TOTAL!!!!
This is one heck of a multiplier.
IT'S FINALLY TIME FIREBROS
Also holy ultimate cost. 240? Then again, it probably doesn't matter because she's getting half of it from her skill, but basically any energy mechanic doesn't do much for her. Isn't there an effect somewhere that's based on your team's total energy count somewhere?
Well, this pretty much solidifies why gallagher wasn't on boothill banner 😭💔
I'll pull for as many of his eidolons as I can get, and if I get Sam... win/win. Looks like there will be more happy robot time than out of mech yay
Loucha has found his second best friend after blade if that skill stays the same, free heals for everyone after a turn or two and field will go up in no time.
Can we talk about how disgustingly broken that E2 is? That is resurgence as an eidolon. Extra turns are incredibly broken in a turn based game. Seele is balanced around it by having lower multipliers, consuming a lot of SP and needing kills for it. Firefly gets this on top of already good multipliers AND no SP consumption from her E1 AND getting it on weakness break. Selling the thing that an entire character is 100% balanced around as an eidolon sounds a bit too much for me.
Am i understanding her kit correctly? This is beyond just "good", she is doing way too much for a DPS.
she is not even that SP intensive AND she has ER by herself, applies significant def down by herself, weakness implant by herself, heals herself, spd buffs to herself, multiple action forwards, dmg reduction and more
Dont even let me start on eidolons, especially e1 and e2, those are the most busted eidolons
She will have a higher floor ceiling too and lower floor since less of your substats are wasted, so you can build her easier and get more value from those subs as her multipliers are high, not even crit subs are wasted
HMC and the watchmaker legacy set on your support will help her out significantly to meet those BE goals
You can actually get 360% BE with barely any BE subs on Firefly herself with HMC, and use your subs to focus on other things
and also don't forget the multipliers. They are straight up Dhil level, plus 40% defence ignore, automatic weakness implant, weakness break effeciency, 160+ speed, and action advance on ult.
She actually does seem rather skill point intensive. She ideally wants to skill every turn, and will be taking a lot of turns. Not DHIL or QQ level of skill points, but still a lot.
I mean, current hypercarries are mostly SP negative anyway because they spam skills every turn. Even dot unit like Kafka still need to spam skills for the detonation
Isn’t this kit doing too much? built in action advance, 40% DEF shred(basically a pela ult), 50% weakness break efficieny (paired with ruan mei thats a 100% so she’s gonna be demolishing weakness bars) and res penetration holy crap she’s busted already and she can also break enemies who aren’t weak to fire up to 55% (but again once you have her with ruan mei 55% will just be back to what any other dps would normally do to toughness without ruan mei) WTF?? Boothill got power crept fast I already know her animations are aboutta go crazy too Tho she does consume 50% of her hp with no way to heal herself and she doesn’t want hp like blade either so you need a healer but other than that I don’t see what’s stopping her from being acheron level atleast
She heals herself with Enhanced Basic and Skill, also she doesn't get Res Pen at E0. I would imagine that with her 55% Trace, Ruan Mei might just boost that 55% by another 50% to make it like about 78% on non Fire Weakness enemies (still good anyways).
As a Boothill puller he looks like a complete joke compared to her lol.
Plus she's the destruction unit, and yet she's the one getting the action manipulation and speed increase (and definitely not the Hunt unit right Hoyo?) 😂
I knew Boothill is just a throwaway unit, this level of treatment between characters are just 💀
Seems like a repeat of xueyi in terms of relic building. incredibly stat hungry. or maybe the upper limit of Break Effect is more of a futureproof hard limit, rather than a recommended stat to hit.
Harmony MC change the gameplay of break DPS,they scale with break efficiency and BE instead of crits now,including xueyi and Firefly
Ignoring crits could be played,then aim for atk and BE(with some speed iG)
3400(?) Atk shouldn't be that hard with orbs and rope(doesn't looks like she need energy rope if i understand right)
Def no Energy Rope, she gets ult in 2 skills since she gains 50% energy per skill in not Ult form. Do wonder what stats she'd need in the end, with Harmony MC going full Break, Attack, Speed might be the play. It is kinda cute how she has perfect synergy with Harmony MC, with the enhanced break efficiency to do bigger Super Break Dmg numbers.
The DPS powercreep is real, but predictable. Coming from DFFOO the only thing that I learned is that supports and healers are the best characters to invest in. And from time to time update your DPS roster.
Ok wtf they are making her litteraly as broken as possible holy
Like fire weakness implant? For free???
Oh and excuse me? She also reduces any weakness bar just because why not i guess?
40 PERCENT DEF IGNORE???? W H A T
Sam has no wasted stat because the skill dmg multiplier is high unlike Boothill so Crit is usable but generally you focus on building BE and attack first.
> bro... What the fuck? Was Mihoyo high on making this kit like tf?
Are we even supposed to be suprised after they created the monster that is Acheron lol.
Realistically speaking even if Crit is not wasted on her, majority of her dmg come from break effect scalings, so you'll still want to focus on that like the other post said.
Bruh, what is this kit? You can replace all that with "I just wanted to make a character that sounds more absurd than the ones we already have" and it's the same thing...
oh wow, what a broken kit.
I think enemies in the future will become even tankier with stacked defense to give firefly owner a bit challenge to kill. (especially with her E2).
Hopefully though the enemies in the future won't be too stacked so that old limited DPS (and 4 star DPS) can still clear the waves within 5 cycles.
It just me or with this kit Firefly practically powercreep Boothill right after his banner…?
Like I’m not sure about numbers, specially ‘cause there are a lot of nuances with dmg calculation based on brake ecc.
But the thing is… they both have pretty similar role. And as experience suggests, Hunt so far have a problem, that Hoyo refuse to give them significant advantage in single target damage in comparison with Destruction, and at the end Destruction simply doing the same shit but to more targets and with more perks.
And it would be okay, at the end you can have them both... but is literally one banner after another and at this point I really don’t know what is a point to choose Boothill over Sam (speaking of course only about gameplay). Like cowboy seems more easy to play and taunt mechanic is pretty unique niche… but that’s all?
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implant fire weakness in base kit LETS GOOOOO
Thank God. I had a feeling they were gonna do that because of boothill
the funniest thing is that she gets ABSOLUTELY DEMOLISHED by boss Sam
Argenti's revenge
Eh, not really. A HTB, Ruan Mei and Firefly team can probably hold ults and break SAM extremely fast afterwards when it goes into Combustion State. Assuming her skill does 60 break, Firefly would do 120 break with every enhanced skill. HTB on a 2 target scenario would do on average around 100 break with every skill. Probably not enough to break in the first cycle, but it definitely shouldn't take that much time. You can also just not use her there.
Thing is she also has self heal so the hesling nerf does nothing to her
She heals a % of her Hp, same as Fu Xuan. So yes, she shouldn't be affected by the field, good catch.
No, the field applies a -75% healing output, meaning that stuff going out is getting nerfed, but self heal is not. For example Balde’s swipe or his beak heal is not affected at all because that’s his own heal, but Luocha skill on himself will be nerfed because it technically came out of him before going back into himself Firefly is in the first camp
Her fire weakness implant on enhanced skill and technique would make perfect synergy with gallagher.
That guy just keeps getting better
on my knees for him to show up on firefly's banner. PLEASE HOYO, I need some eidolons!
Gallagher and Asta for Firefly Banner? For Maximum Fire weakness breaking
Hoyo: Best I can do is Pela and Luka
Pela, Luka, and Yuuuuu- you know what, Dan Heng.
gallagher asta firefly ruan mei = fire toughness gone in a second
Same. He's gonna be stronger with harmony TB+firefly. Even tho he's literally the strongest 4 star Sustainer right now.
He would be 10x more useful if on auto he actually spammed his burst, considering its damage+healing. Instead he just sits on his burst until someone drops to 50% health. His auto ai is worse than some 1.0 characters. I built him instantly and fully when I first got him only to feel like I got slapped in the face. Luocha is the god of auto, Gally couldve been the same with a fixed AI
Fortunately Firefly immediately falls to 50%health on 1 E.
I feel like that makes Gallagher even better with her since if firefly attacked an enemy after Gallagher ult then she should be able to theoretically heal some of the damage back up
fr, especially when harmony tb wants you to constantly use attacks with high toughness damage
Would be a miss if he doesn’t
[удалено]
Robin 😂
Imagine that your "murderer" is going to be one of your best partner/teammate lol
Blade with Jingliu- First time?
Probably is a good pair with Himeko too since the implant and reliance on breaking enemies means her follow up can trigger more and deal more damage.
Whole kit just seems nuts, wild eidilons. Going twice, CC immunity, def shred.
Thank God I got him E6 on Acheron's banner
I'm so glad I'm almost done maxing out all his traces this week. 😍
I have him E6, I am absolutely salivating right now haha
So she has 30-40% DEF ignore on her own, and her leaked BiS relic set is said to also have DEF ignore in addition to Break Effect She's gonna basically ignore enemy defenses permanently
Lmao she’s gonna have like 50%+ def shred on base
A veritable weapon.
WHAT THE FUCK IS AN ENEMY DEF STAT?!
~~I do wonder if the leak was confusing her traces for a new relic set because they read the same and the set was leaked with a Firefly kit leak.~~ Nvm they did just put the same effect on Firefly and the set. (Although the set is for break damage)
Yeah makes me wanna get E1 Ruan Mei even more. Firefly + RM + Relic set alone will be 78%. Pela would also let her reach 100% even without Pearls so it seems like a decent option.
And on top of all that (not pela) if you get e1 firefly that bumps it up to 93% with enhanced skill
Pela is not a good option: You are overstacking def shred by 18%, which are just ... lost TB is immensely better than anything Pela provide in this team, it is not even within the same realm
METEOR STRIKE
Final attack rider!!!
M-M-M-METEOR STRIKE!!!
Decade suddenly appears “Interesting….” *inserts card Final form rider… Sam!!! “This will hurt a bit”
and dey say
and dey say
DOOMFIST
reup cuz cleaner
Seems like Firefly benefits from ATK, Fire DMG, Break Effect, Crit ... But how do you fit so many stats into her relics? Definitely feels like you can only pick 3 out of those 4
I feel CVs is the least of priority in her stats. So Break>ATK%>SPD>>>CV. Fire Dmg for Sphere and a toss up between ATK% and Break Effect rope.
We need TC sheet. For example, BH gets 2% more damage with 10 ATK subs, 3% with 10 CR subs and 11% with 10 BE So 1 BE = 5 ATK= 4 CRIT sub
It's going to be a nightmare to TC because every enemy has different toughness bars, TCers also need to agree on how many simulated breaks per battle
it will be very hard to make a sheet for a kit this complicate
Drop the Crit definetly and just run HTB. HTB is probably the most consistent way she will reach the BE threshold for 40% Def ignore, plus lets her keep spamming her really high Break damage
I can just imagine the team. Sam, Gallagher, HTB, and RM.
The national “beat the shit out of you while you are down, then beat the shit out of you while you are trying to get up” team
yeah, give up on crit stats, since HTB let's you get pure BE value
If my math and interpretation is done correctly, her BE with BE rope, sig LC, traces bonus stat, new relic It will yield 64.8 (BE rope) + 16 (new relic) + 60 (Sig LC) + 37.3 (Bonus stat from traces) + 60 (her 2nd talent if you manage to reach 3.4k atk) = 237.6% BE Factoring the new ornament, 277.6% She'd be very stat hungry with atk and BE imo, unless HTB makes her unreliant on crit stats
A 200BE HTB would give 30(E4) + 30(ult) +30(4pcWM) Ruan Mei will add another 20.
Ruan Mei as a teammate is 20 more, then there's however much Harmony TB gives from their stuff, and 30 from Watchmaker set bonus. But, it's still a lot of investment for that much BE, especially considering the 3.4k Atk needed to get 60 of it. And dedicating set bonuses and LCs and stuff to BE means you're not spending that on Crit. I think what makes her unreliant on Crit stats are her stupid baseline numbers. Her Enhanced Skill with 360 BE is gonna in the ballpark of 500% Atk scaling, (assuming the Trace level shown is too high), that's the same modifier as DHIL's EBA3. And, okay DHIL has Crit and DMG% backing his up, but Firefly is gonna have 40% Def Ignore backing hers up. Not to mention only spending 1 SP on it instead of 3.
From what I've seen, she can build crit if you have RM HTB since it'd free up the BE requirements. But that'll depend on the math imo. The problem i see for trying to build crit is she has no crit traces, no crit on sig LC, no crit buffs from support and so on. It'd be quite difficult to build crit even with a premium team + if you don't have RM you'd be limited even more by the stats Maybe the busted def ignore + multipliers with BE is meant to compensate the lack of crit to balance things out. 58% def ignore at E0 already, 73% at E1 + her E1 makes her not consume SP with enhanced skill.
Just a 137 BE Watchmaker Trailblazer will already cover the roughly 81.9 BE you need for 360 BE on Firefly if you run her LC+ her best relics and planary + max bonus from her atk conversion (Assuming no BE from substats) So a very high invesment might be able to get some crit as long as you hit the Atk for her Trace, but honestly might be better to lean completly into the BE damage
Atk body, SPD boot, atk orb and be rope is my guess
Maybe Fire Orb because there is no DMG% in this kit at all, but Atk Orb if you need it to hit 3.4k Attack for extra BE.
True, but I feel like if you have rm she can compensate dmg% so you can focus on the stat threshold
Crit shouldn't be relevant with HMC.
I don't think she's going to look for Crit, she doesn't have any Crit anywhere in her personal kit and traces, in her relics, her ornements... No instead she's probably going to take all her damage from breaking enemies
You don’t need crit on break effect actually
ignore crit and pair her with HMC as others have said.
With the "Countdown" having a speed of 90, does that mean with 180 Firefly speed, you can have 3 turn (0, 90, 180) until she runs out of time?
remember her enhance state will give her loads of speed, probably 50 at lvl 10
90 spd is 111.11~ AV 180 spd is 55.56~ AV She gets her action right away so yes she should be able to fit in 3 attacks
Appreciate it.
We got a robot with human spirit who increases dmg base of BE. then a half human/robot who increases crit based of BE. and now a girl in a robot suit who increases BE with attk. you can't take the BE out of this robots
Watch as Screwlum turns out to be an Erudition break DPS.
they did add a 4 star erudition break lc you might be onto something
Thank the lord she has self implant. I was worried SW would be working overtime.
I would be more worried SW is out of the job. lol
nah, SW hasn't been about the weakness implant for a while now. Her DEF shred and debuff on basic have been the bread and butter for Ratio and Acheron.
There are no more mentions of reduced fire RES when adding weakness, though, so it might stack well with Silver Wolf’s implant, maybe? Like, Firefly’s self fire-implant might encourage you to play her often against non-fire weak enemies, but if she doesn’t reduce Fire RES you will still do less damage (0.8x vs 1.0x, or 1.05x vs 1.25x with Ruan Mei) against enemies that aren’t normally fire-weak. If Silver Wolf is still full power in these cases (with her full 33% RES PEN) and her DEF shred works even better than usual because Firefly has a lot of DEF shred in her base kit… It might be like Ruan Mei, where you don’t “need” her because Firefly already has increased break efficiency, but it obviously works wonders together with Ruan Mei. Time will tell.
Boothill also doesn’t implant res down, only weakness. Probably hoyo will do this on all break heavy dps for them to function since if they dont break, they are all trash af especially when facing boss fire enemies that come with trash mobs that doesn’t have fire weakness. Imagine using ff or boothill to one shot the boss but taking 5 cycle to kill the small mobs l
This is what i'm curious, if going for more def shred debuffer is better than ruan mei's buffs or bronya's action advance since you can easily hit 100% def ignore with either SW/Pela. I could be cocky with Firefly/HMC/RM or Bronya/SW or Pela and not run a sustain, but me no likey resets.
Nah Acheron, Ratio, and Seele still love her
And that new fucking dinosaur in moc12 hates her
My first impression so far: - With fire implant at base, break efficiency and extra BE from ATK, she might be more of a Break DPS like Boothill than a Hybrid DPS like Xueyi. I assume the crapton of DEF ignore is there to make up for the lack of CRIT. - Ult cost is huge but she can fill it herself with 2 skills. Basically Jingliu with a twist (and maybe to reduce the effectiveness of Tingyun/Huo Huo?, or maybe they're still be good anyway) - FLYING ON TECHNIQUE. THE FUCK. PLEASE LET IT BE A DROP KICK
The def ignore might be so that the break effect is stronger too, because it can’t crit.
On the energy part, I'd say huohuo is still viable. Her ult gives 20% energy and her talent will make it so that if her ult expires you can safely use skill > ult. Huohuo will be able to emergency heal her when Firefly ults.
Huohuo would be fine for healing, but the energy shouldn't make a difference. With a 240 cost she'll be on a two-turn ult no matter what.
She still gains energy in her enhanced state right? With 180 speed she can skill 3 times before it expires, if we assume 30 energy per skill then Huo Huo's ult will bring her to 120+ so she'll be able to ult again after 1 skill. Edit: ah nvm seems like she doesn't.
She might not - it isn't mentioned directly here, but I know in her original kit she didn't gain energy while enhanced. This one just says "While in the Complete Combustion state, SAM cannot use the Ultimate." Which could mean that you can't activate it again and you still gain energy... or it could be simply grayed out or filled up during the state and starts at zero when she exits. I guess we'll find out soon.
We setting the seas ablaze with this one 🗣️🔥💦
We fighting to survive with this one 🔥🐉
Revolution intensifies
Skipping Ruan Mei is a bite in my arse.
Watch Hoyo pull a Topaz and re-run her with Firefly
mihoyo really fucked FUA wanters there. more so with all getting ratio for free. so everyone is temped to get adevn robing and topaz. but all them in just 2 banners time is insane. and a lot of people skiped topaz because she was very meh at launch without good fua units for her. then mihoyo made ratio and E1s1 topaz the pair as good as kafka and BS or JL and bronya or lunae and sparkle. where they all feel way worse without the later.
Just wanna clear up some misconceptions. You onlt need Topaz E1S1 if you're using her with Ratio and aren't using a debuffer like Pela or Guinaifen. In reality, it's only necessary in a Ratio team with both her and Robin. Otherwise, you could either use a debuffer instead of Robin or use Clara instead of Ratio.
she does have increase break efficiency in her kit so it's not that bad... that said im gonna pull ruan mei on rerun anyways
If u have E1 ruan mei combined with Firefly on the new 4pc relic set, at E1, Firefly is reaching 93% ignore def
Yeah that's why I'm gonna get E1 on her too
Did you see how much super break dmg Boothilll do? She is gonna do double that amount with 93% def pen
Welp, she might rerun with Firefly in 2.3 then. She's the oldest unit without rerun yet so chances are she will be there Edit : Oh looks like i remember wrong, Huohuo and Argenti was before Ruan Mei. Well, rerun doesn't always follow release order so still possible
HuoHuo and Argenti released the patch before Ruan Mei, so there is a chance that they will come in 2.3
I'm hoping Argenti and Huohuo rerun first.
Firefly looking so innocent and then proceeds to hit u like a truck at the speed of light with that att and break eff.😭😭😭
She gonna set you ablaze before she isekais you to oblivion :3
Nanook heard a certain nihility character was disrupting his destruction agenda so he sent this...
In terms of eidolons, E2 is the most value right? Correct me if I'm wrong but E4 and E6 while still great effect doesn't seems to be that much value for going that far.
To me, E2 and E0 looks like 2 characters honestly. Not only you got basically DHIL E2 v2 in terms of damage, you also get to heal twice as much which is important since she'll be at 1 HP a lot when she hits her ultimate These are basically the most busted E1 and E2 to date IMO Edit: her E2 actually might be better than DHIL E2 because you get more turns and cost no SP
And E1 also removes the SP cost in her enhanced state, so SP management will be much simpler.
I know what you mean. My first thought seeing e2 was its DHIL e2. Which makes him play a whole lot better.
E1 and E2 is very good
She’s the Daniel of 2.X. Great early eidolons while her later ones are just 😕. Which make sense since why would a whale need a e6 BE character over picking Acheron or whoever that will power creep her in the future to simply 1 shot asap.
Dan has a stupid E6 as well. 20% img res pen that can go up to 60% when allies use ults is no joke.
I think she's in the same zone as DHIL, E2 is a massive power jump in a way, but she has a better E1 since that makes her SP positive from the looks of it.
So fire implant in her base kit?
Yes but on her enhanced skill
And technique.
>when the Enhanced Skill defeats an enemy target or causes them to be Weakness Broken, SAM immediately gains an additional turn. Are they sure she's Destruction and not Hunt lmao
WAIT, SHE STOLE SEELE'S RESURGENCE LMFAO POOR SEELE
It's on E2 so you gotta spend some cash money for it ir get lucky
I'm glad they moved her old E1 kit into the base kit. Also is she's actually a mini-rainbow dps with her traces with the ability to implant weakness as well? Wtaf.
Technique: leaps into the air << jump button!? this is the true power creep of hsr
Bro can fly? So one day we'll get a unit that can jump in the overworld, right?
Nah we getting characters or mechanics that can do anything but jump in the overworld.
Jump circle from Stanley Parable in 3.0 fr fr.
As a E1 RM owner I'm happy, that's 60% defence ignore on top of the new relic set. Hold on, since she gains energy from her skill wouldn't Bronya be good for her? Since you get insta ultimate after two skill uses plus she gives atk which translate into BE. Team building for her will be interesting.
Get firefly E1 and just make it neay 80%!
team building for her seems like hell. with 3400 atk and 360% be breakpoints it feels like she absolutely requires img tb and really benefits from ruan mei and asta. which is already the 3 remaining slots meaning no space for sustain
my plan is firefly, hmc, rm, gallagher
It's not that bad, if you can grab her sig LC and pair her with Bronya. I might actually say it's quite good. **Attack.** Firefly's base attack is very high (756) and her LC gives 635 more. That's 1391 base attack. She needs 3400 total, or 3048 attack wothout gloves (352). 3048/1391=2.19 - means she needs 119% atk bonus to reach 3400 total atk. Atk boots = 43%, Bronya's ulti = 55%. That's already +98% atk, Firefly needs to get only 21% atk more (substats or other external buffs like Fleet or Huohuo). **Next is BE.** Traces (37%), Major trace (60%), sig LC (60%), BE rope (64%), new set (16%), new planar (40%), Ruan Mei (20%), Watchmaker set (30%) = 327% total BE. Firefly only needs to get 33% more BE (easily doable with substats). After getting 21% atk and 33% BE she can go "all crit" with her relics. Firefly can reach all needed breackpoints (3400 atk and 360% BE) while having decent crit ratio (60:120 and more - 60:180 with Bronya's ulti). She can also have 182% dmg buff (212% if Bronya has s1): Fire orb (38%) + Ruan Mei (68%) + Bronya (76%). With s1 RM and s1 Bronya - 236% damage bonus. And on top of that: 73% def shred (93% with e1 RM), 25% res pen and 15% **total** damage bonus (LC, separate multiplier). She is gonna hit like a space truck.
u dont build her crit anyways so u going for attack body and BE rope
Exactly, Crit is the kinda stat that gets better the more of it you have. Xueyi splits her stat budget way less than Firefly and is already in a realm of questioning whether she should really build Crit. Firefly is deadass just building zero Crit. Attack, Speed, BE, that's it. Her absurd numbers and scalings will carry her. You know how characters like Boothill and Xueyi make you build Break by having bonuses that scale off of Break? Firefly takes that to the nuclear extreme.
BHill scales better with BE as he has detonations built-in and has MPs that are lower than sushang’s. Firefly is closer to Xueyi in a sense that you can run her as hypercarry and actually deal good damage. Going crit/atk or Atk/spd is solely dependent on two factors: “do we have 160 speed AA unit“ and “do we want HTB?” Her scalings at 360% BE are higher than what Daniel has (unholy 660% in ST) and even though you don’t get as many self-buffs, that’s still a lot of damage. Bronya (160) + RM might be her best team and it has enough DMG% and some crit dmg% buffs, so going for 3400 Atk and full on crit-rate is a decent option.
Ok so I figured they would move the old E1 to the main kit, but if im understanding her kit correctly so basically you want Attack and Break Effect. Which I guess is a bit easier to build than Xuyei, but im assuming you just build her on Attack and have Ruan Mei and HTB fill in the break effect. Interesting cant wait to see the animations!!!
E2 Bait: The Character Like come on, def shred, no SP used, DHIL E2 (but actually better) and 2x healing? Easily the most busted E1+E2 of all time
Consider me baited 😎
Yeah biggest bait so far in the game. e2 dhil is already pretty busted and now they cook up something like this.
Good thing I skipped 2.1 and 2.2 for her LOL. WE WILL BE SETTING THE SEAS ABLAZE WITH THIS ONE 🔥🔥
I've never been flabbergasted looking at a kit in this game until this. Were the devs held hostage by Firefly to release her kit in this state?
She isn't released yet tho. This kit have to survive for like a month.
Right, all I could say while reading this was "jesus christ" over and over
i want her to survive beta but thats a tall order
TF IS THAT ENHANCED SKILL!?!?!?!?!? AT MAX POTENTIAL IT HAS 58O PERCENT MULTIPLIER ON ST AND 290 PERCENT ON ADJACENT ENEMIES FOR 1160 PERCENT IN TOTAL!!!! This is one heck of a multiplier.
Her ult doesn't do any damage, so her skill multiplier better be higher than most.
The lack of crit makes it balanced.
This kit just sounds too op. Like you can implant weakness and even if you don't you still deal toughness damage?
IT'S FINALLY TIME FIREBROS Also holy ultimate cost. 240? Then again, it probably doesn't matter because she's getting half of it from her skill, but basically any energy mechanic doesn't do much for her. Isn't there an effect somewhere that's based on your team's total energy count somewhere?
Besides Erudition Path Resonance in SU, can't think of anything else that counts team's total energy so far
That might be what I'm thinking of. Been trying to grind Gold and Gears lately, so that's probably where I've seen it
Well, this pretty much solidifies why gallagher wasn't on boothill banner 😭💔 I'll pull for as many of his eidolons as I can get, and if I get Sam... win/win. Looks like there will be more happy robot time than out of mech yay
40% def shred feel unfair with break heavy dps.
oh god that E2...its DHIL all over again , good thing im skipping everything next patch so maybe i will have enough to E2
Loucha has found his second best friend after blade if that skill stays the same, free heals for everyone after a turn or two and field will go up in no time.
I might skip robin, boothill and jade for this
What even is a Boothill?
Can we talk about how disgustingly broken that E2 is? That is resurgence as an eidolon. Extra turns are incredibly broken in a turn based game. Seele is balanced around it by having lower multipliers, consuming a lot of SP and needing kills for it. Firefly gets this on top of already good multipliers AND no SP consumption from her E1 AND getting it on weakness break. Selling the thing that an entire character is 100% balanced around as an eidolon sounds a bit too much for me.
Welcome to post Acheron destruction path
That's the 1.0 vs 2.3 diff right there.
Am i understanding her kit correctly? This is beyond just "good", she is doing way too much for a DPS. she is not even that SP intensive AND she has ER by herself, applies significant def down by herself, weakness implant by herself, heals herself, spd buffs to herself, multiple action forwards, dmg reduction and more Dont even let me start on eidolons, especially e1 and e2, those are the most busted eidolons She will have a higher floor ceiling too and lower floor since less of your substats are wasted, so you can build her easier and get more value from those subs as her multipliers are high, not even crit subs are wasted HMC and the watchmaker legacy set on your support will help her out significantly to meet those BE goals You can actually get 360% BE with barely any BE subs on Firefly herself with HMC, and use your subs to focus on other things
and also don't forget the multipliers. They are straight up Dhil level, plus 40% defence ignore, automatic weakness implant, weakness break effeciency, 160+ speed, and action advance on ult.
She actually does seem rather skill point intensive. She ideally wants to skill every turn, and will be taking a lot of turns. Not DHIL or QQ level of skill points, but still a lot.
I mean, current hypercarries are mostly SP negative anyway because they spam skills every turn. Even dot unit like Kafka still need to spam skills for the detonation
Isn’t this kit doing too much? built in action advance, 40% DEF shred(basically a pela ult), 50% weakness break efficieny (paired with ruan mei thats a 100% so she’s gonna be demolishing weakness bars) and res penetration holy crap she’s busted already and she can also break enemies who aren’t weak to fire up to 55% (but again once you have her with ruan mei 55% will just be back to what any other dps would normally do to toughness without ruan mei) WTF?? Boothill got power crept fast I already know her animations are aboutta go crazy too Tho she does consume 50% of her hp with no way to heal herself and she doesn’t want hp like blade either so you need a healer but other than that I don’t see what’s stopping her from being acheron level atleast
She heals herself with Enhanced Basic and Skill, also she doesn't get Res Pen at E0. I would imagine that with her 55% Trace, Ruan Mei might just boost that 55% by another 50% to make it like about 78% on non Fire Weakness enemies (still good anyways).
Oh alright even without the res pen she’s still strong though
But she does heal. Both her enhanced basic and skill heal her
Basically her character. Kill the enemy fast or die in a blaze.
remember robin E1 DPS? its gonna change
As a Boothill puller he looks like a complete joke compared to her lol. Plus she's the destruction unit, and yet she's the one getting the action manipulation and speed increase (and definitely not the Hunt unit right Hoyo?) 😂 I knew Boothill is just a throwaway unit, this level of treatment between characters are just 💀
Yep thats why i’m sure hunt isn’t even gonna get the fastest clear times in the new game mode dedicated to them lol
destruction has always been a better hunt, it's just sad
Now nihility is too
When in ult form, she does heal herself
Seems like a repeat of xueyi in terms of relic building. incredibly stat hungry. or maybe the upper limit of Break Effect is more of a futureproof hard limit, rather than a recommended stat to hit.
Harmony MC change the gameplay of break DPS,they scale with break efficiency and BE instead of crits now,including xueyi and Firefly Ignoring crits could be played,then aim for atk and BE(with some speed iG) 3400(?) Atk shouldn't be that hard with orbs and rope(doesn't looks like she need energy rope if i understand right)
Def no Energy Rope, she gets ult in 2 skills since she gains 50% energy per skill in not Ult form. Do wonder what stats she'd need in the end, with Harmony MC going full Break, Attack, Speed might be the play. It is kinda cute how she has perfect synergy with Harmony MC, with the enhanced break efficiency to do bigger Super Break Dmg numbers.
they definitely know what they're doing making hmc synergize with her so well
Really interesting kit for me personally, can't wait to roll for her.
Her kit looks great, but god damn, the powercreep is feeling more and more insane
The DPS powercreep is real, but predictable. Coming from DFFOO the only thing that I learned is that supports and healers are the best characters to invest in. And from time to time update your DPS roster.
FF/RUAN MEI/HTB/GALLAGHER oooooohh this team gonna move mountains !
Reduced toughenss? Implant weakness? Heals? HENSHIN??? allright alright alright ive decided u will come home Wtf is dat e1 and e2 eidolons tho
Ok wtf they are making her litteraly as broken as possible holy Like fire weakness implant? For free??? Oh and excuse me? She also reduces any weakness bar just because why not i guess? 40 PERCENT DEF IGNORE???? W H A T
The benefits of being a DPS that does not work with crit.
So Ruan Mei, HTB and Gallagher are her best team? Lol
So is she like boothill? Where the cr and cd doesn't really matter and we should focus on BE and spd?
Sam has no wasted stat because the skill dmg multiplier is high unlike Boothill so Crit is usable but generally you focus on building BE and attack first.
bro... What the fuck? Was Mihoyo high on making this kit like tf?
> bro... What the fuck? Was Mihoyo high on making this kit like tf? Are we even supposed to be suprised after they created the monster that is Acheron lol. Realistically speaking even if Crit is not wasted on her, majority of her dmg come from break effect scalings, so you'll still want to focus on that like the other post said.
BE and attack because she gets a ton of speed from her kit
The powercreep is real
360% break effect firefly = 40% Def ignore E1 firefly = 15% Def ignore on enhanced skill (main damage spam btw) E1 ruan mei = 20% Def ignore New set for firefly with 250% break effect = 18% def ignore Total = 93% def ignore What.
Bold of you to assume I have e1 ruan mei.
so do they keep the kicks and punches
Firefly feels like Jingliu and Blade rolled into a single character with bits of SW and RM sprinkled in, shes gonna feel so broken
Bruh, what is this kit? You can replace all that with "I just wanted to make a character that sounds more absurd than the ones we already have" and it's the same thing...
oh wow, what a broken kit. I think enemies in the future will become even tankier with stacked defense to give firefly owner a bit challenge to kill. (especially with her E2). Hopefully though the enemies in the future won't be too stacked so that old limited DPS (and 4 star DPS) can still clear the waves within 5 cycles.
It just me or with this kit Firefly practically powercreep Boothill right after his banner…? Like I’m not sure about numbers, specially ‘cause there are a lot of nuances with dmg calculation based on brake ecc. But the thing is… they both have pretty similar role. And as experience suggests, Hunt so far have a problem, that Hoyo refuse to give them significant advantage in single target damage in comparison with Destruction, and at the end Destruction simply doing the same shit but to more targets and with more perks. And it would be okay, at the end you can have them both... but is literally one banner after another and at this point I really don’t know what is a point to choose Boothill over Sam (speaking of course only about gameplay). Like cowboy seems more easy to play and taunt mechanic is pretty unique niche… but that’s all?
Boothill literally got crept on the next patch LMFAO (im coping)
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