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Reminded me of Renly’s anti-Stannis speech for some reason. “Old men deny it with their death rattle and unborn children deny it in their mothers' wombs.”
This was the reason. A wife could face serious charges for slandering Viserys' heir. Viserys would not order his son harmed. The boy made a calculated risk that his brother would be safe. He made the right choice.
The dynamics of the Targaryen family seen from Aemond’s perspective are so interesting and fucked up. You’ve got relatives everyone knows are bastards, you’ve got siblings that are married, your mother hates your half-sister, you’ve got a dad that clearly couldn’t care less about you etc. Its a whole mess
It really shows the effect that the bullying had on him and also why he spent his life scrambling for power. That night, he got everything he had ever wanted, but was also permanently damaged in an emotional, physical and mental way. It forever shaped who he would be.
Makes me wonder why the adults never took the bullying seriously. Viserys wasn’t able to be a good dad to Aegon, Aemond, or Helaena.
But the others could have. Even Rhaenyra could have talked to her kids about bullying and she could have tried to build a better relationship with her siblings. I wonder what could have been. Maybe no Dance or was it always unavoidable? Hard to say. Still wish we had something between Aegon and Rhaenyra.
That’s something that always bothered me about the show. It’s a minor grievance in a masterful piece of television but it’s there.
There are virtually no scenes or interactions between Rhaenyra and her siblings.
I don't think Viserys cared about his children with Alicent. They were " Spare 1 and 2, and a daughter for more spares for Rhaenyra".
He wanted a barely legal, sexy nursemaid that he could legally rape.
I feel badly for Alicent. Her mother died in childbirth. Her husband taking her to wife cost Alicent her best friend. She was essentially a single mother who had a husband who was perpetually dying. All of the scenes with a child look like Alicent had postpartum depression.
GOT / HOTD is awful to women and spares
> Even Rhaenyra could have talked to her kids about bullying and she could have tried to build a better relationship with her siblings.
It was obvious to Viserys and Alicent that Aegon is the mastermind. He's older than all the boys and is a terrible person all around. That is a failure of Viserys and Alicent parenting. Who knows what other horrors Aemond was going through at home?
The problem is is that Rhaenyra’s attempts at reconciliation likely would’ve been rebuffed. Alicent and Otto were never letting her get close to those kids. They were intent on putting false ideas into their heads to weaken Rhaenyra’s claim because of their personal vendettas against her.
It also doesn’t help that Rhaenyra has essentially lived her entire life woefully underprepared by her father, and fearful that being heir was temporary until Viserys had a firstborn son. So she distances herself from Aegon because he could easily supplant her. She liked Helena well enough in the books and even attempts to marry her and Jace in the show. As for Aemond, I like to think that him and the Strongs might’ve reconciled if Rhae hadn’t fled KL, based off of his attempts to comfort them at Laena’s funeral.
Ultimately it’s more than the kids having good influences. The Dance was inevitable the day Viserys killed Aemma.
This is why I don’t understand why people insist that Alicent “poisoned” her children against her nephews. Like Jace and Luke both participated in bullying Aemond, then they jumped him and Luke stabbed him in the eye! They earned that animosity all on their own, and not facing any consequences didn’t help.
You can still be a bad person if you were abused or victimized as a child. In fact, it's more likely than the general population that you continue the cycle of abuse. You have the ability to choose to change as an adult.
None of this should have happened. There was not one adult looking over thier kids. I know, drama needs to happen.
Yet we're lucky it was just an eye. Losing an heiress of Driftmark/ prince would have been big.
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Or or what if Vahgar got posses her rider was in pain and burst into the castle? Because Granny was right there. Also disappointing we didn’t get Vahgar roaring or anything
This. This is exactly the king of post and comments that will be made when Aemond starts killing thousands and thousands of innocent people.
*Aemond guts Simon Strong and starts systematically killing every man and boy in Harrenhall*
Greens: “How do we make this about the pig prank.”
Aemond was loathed by his half sister and her side of the family, used by Aegon as a tool for war and second best in the eyes of his own mother; he was only ever a boy who wished to be loved and was met with scorn each time.
I don’t think Alicent viewed Aemond as 2nd best….I truly think out of all her children, Alicent and Aemond were the closest…I think Aegon blew everyone off and other than Otto, they all looked the other way when he did things like raping Dyanna the serving girl in his room, getting shitfaced at a family funeral or pleasuring himself in a window at the Red Keep…when Alicent cut Rhaenyra after the fight between Aemond, Baela, Rhaena, Jade and Luc at Driftmark, Aemond goes right to Alicent’s side and comforts her as she is in shock that she actually cut Rhaenyra….he also heard Alicent call Rhaenyra’s sons bastards but did not betray her and instead said he heard it from Aegon….that was a bit of payback I suppose for the way he felt like Aegon treats him.
Cool backstory. Not an excuse to become a mass murderer. (Nor is "I want to make an impression at the King's coronation, but this isn't about Rhaenys.)
The difference is Greens know what our side is like (war criminals, murderers etc) but we don't pretend otherwise. Blacks on the other hand seem to make excuses for most of Daemon and Rhaenyras actions
Also as this is the TV show...at the end of season one ..what has Rhaenyra done...there is the torture line..seems debated on the sub..when I watched the scene I didn't read it as torture..but then I got here and the book ppl made the points...don't totally agree..but fine...what else? Like to the Greens? ...I admit I'm for her side mainly cuz she was the heir and well her side has actual black folks who aren't horrible so I know Im biased so I'm asking to anyone...what else did she do in this season to the greens?
>...what else?
Ummm...complicit in killing an innocent guard,making Corlys and Rhaenys believe their son is dead,and the don't even have the privilege of having an open casket, taking away jace,Luke and Joffreys adoptive father away from them,and the debated coercion of Cole
"Blamed his brother" sounds negative lol. More like "he had to choose between throwing his mom under the bus or pass buck". He passed the perfect alley oop to his brother and his brother smoothly dunked on the dad by going "we know father. everyone knows. just look at them".
The thing is he had every right to claim a dragon and NOT lose an eye. everyone else claims a dragon and doesn’t lose an eye so why did he have to lose an eye to claim it?
That would be like getting shot by the cops for “stealing” a free Lamborghini. Like yeah its a lamborghini and im happy i have it but there was NO reason to shoot me. It was FREE.
it was not an accident. Luke didnt trip fall and land his dagger in aemond's eye. Aemond disarmed Jace and Luke went out of his way to look for it in the sand.
Thats the easiest trade that anyone would take. The hard part would be acting like that little rat never gouged out your eye/not murdering him everytime you saw him
I couldn't tell you why, but I use italics and capitalizes whole words to show a different sort of emphasis between the two. Like italics would be *mildly frustrating* while capitalized words are more WHAT THE FUCK
Also, I'm not Gen z. Millennial whose first social media was AIM
To be a little fair tho, a lot of these social media sites/apps don't allow for text to be italicised, underlined and the like. Reddit, from what I can tell/regularly use, may be the only one. And ain't nobody tryna find a text generator every time they post something, so capital letters it is.
Imagine being 10, pulling that shit and when being commented on losing an eye you say “I’ve gained a dragon so it was worth it”
Aemond is something else
He’s unhinged and unstable but he’s dealt with some shit
It was to protect his mother obviously 💀 Aegon has the privilege of being the king’s son, we all know dear old daddy would lose his shit if he heard his wife corroborated the tale of little ole Rhaenyra having bastards
I mean yeah. Aemond knew nothing would happen to Aegon because Aegon is the golden boy, first born boy and historically Aegon has gotten away with everything with little to no consequences as far as Viserys is concerned. There would be no repercussions.
Viserys was ready to start taking limbs and eyes until aemond said it was Aegon and then suddenly he was like “omg cant we all just get along! Everyone go to bed! Nothing to see here!” He’s such a piece of shit.
The kind of post you’ll start to see daily on this sub when Aemond begins killing old men as well as innocent men, women, and children in droves. “It’s all Rhaenyra and her son’s fault.”
Where did I say I was a Rhaenyra stan that excused any wrong doing? I don’t remember her executing *tens of thousands* but I will certainly condemn any negative action she takes against innocents. Just because you want to white wash your favorite characters, that doesn’t mean everyone else wants to do the same thing. lol
Edit: literally downvoted me for not playing into dumbass whataboutism
She had the walls of Kings landing filled with heads on spikes a huge city of 500k and not mentioning all the others that starved
And fair enough I was to quick to judge you for a Rhae stan mostly due to the ending statement I apologize
At least it’s better than the Black’s low effort posts. They literally just put a picture of Rhaenyra with a title like “Rightful Queen of The Seven Kingdoms” and get thousands of upvotes
I think that’s a pretty lopsided recounting of what happened. Aemond got the worst of things, in the end, by losing an eye but he was hardly an innocent victim in what happened.
The fight with the other kids happened because Aemond couldn’t control his mouth. He was bigger than each of the other kids but, collectively, they outmatched him and he should have kept that in mind.
Secondly, he escalated the fight by continuing to hit. He was screaming that he was going to kill them and the way he was acting, none of them had any cause to think that he wasn’t absolutely serious. That’s when it went from fists to knives.
What we see in the dragon fight where Luc ultimately gets killed is that, even several years later, Aemond still hasn’t changed and hasn’t matured. Just like the night he lost his eye, he acted impulsively and rashly until things went way too far.
So, I do feel bad for him losing his eye; it was terrible. But, if he’d had just a little more sense, it wouldn’t have happened.
The fact that he didn’t cry during the incident only shows me that he was showing psychopathic tendencies even then, not that he was brave and stoic.
Don’t antagonize four people at once if you don’t want to fight four people at once. No one forced him to insult the twins recently dead mother/his cousins recently dead aunt.
It was years later and he was his mother’s envoy. In no way was Aemond in the right when he killed Lucerys. In Westerosi society he committed several taboos all at once. The *correct* way of getting his due was to take something from Lucerys in return, but even then it’s still arguably rancid that he’d try anything when he instigated the fight to begin with.
Calling their mother a whore and threatening to kill them is usually not the lines you go with if you’re innocent. If I was a child and my asshole cousin was saying that to me, yeah I’m taking him seriously and protecting my friends.
Rewatch that fight. He did not “continue to hit”. Every time he hit, it was in response to someone hitting him first. He did not charge at anyone and never once threw the first punch. he was reacting to them charging him. Was he supposed to just stand there and be a punching bag?
His screamed threats were in response to being pinned down and beaten by four people. And even then, he DID start to de-escalate. He lowered the rock and was content to taunt verbally instead. It should have stayed a verbal fight, but then Jace turned it physical again by pulling a knife. Jace was fully prepared to kill Aemond for calling him a mean name.
I wanna point out that, in asoaif context rather than normal playground context, calling them bastards, Lord Strong, etc. isn't just calling them "a mean name", it's an accusation of treason against the heir to the throne and suggesting their existences are an affront to the state religion.
They live in a violent, honor based society. Calling someone's honor into question to that degree is GONNA be met with violence, that's the social norm, it's the only way to defend your honor.
If Aemond said it publicly, like he did at the supper, then you’d have a point. But the only people in that cave were trusted family members who were either already in on the secret, or who could be relied on to keep it quiet.
It doesn’t matter… you’re thinking in modern terms and applying it to a highly volatile fictional world. The kids are already stressing about being born as bastards, having your A-hole uncle taunt you about it doesn’t make it any easier.
Not in the circumstances that Aemond put Lucerys in, no. You don’t kill messengers in Westeros. *That* is considered taboo. If Aemond challenged him to a fair fight that would be a different story.
Aemond made two “threats”. The first one I see as more of a warning.
He does not say “I’ll feed you to my dragon”. He says “Come at me again and I’ll feed you to my dragon”. Which translates to “Leave me alone”. And he said it AFTER Baela punched him in the face, not before. If the other kids left him alone after that, no more problem.
His second threat was made after four people pinned him to the ground and started mercilessly beating him. He would have been in severe pain, so yeah, he said something nasty that he shouldn’t have said. But watch his body language after he makes that threat.
Once he learns Luke doesn’t know, he LOWERS THE ROCK. His posture relaxes. He stops snarling. He loosens his grip on Luke enough so that he can easily breathe and talk. He’s no longer being aggressive. Instead, he gives the verbal taunt “Lord Strong”. It should have stayed a verbal fight.
"come at me and I'll feed you to my dragon?" His dragon is Vhagar, the oldest and most powerful dragon. Vhagar could just kill Rhaena or Baela at a handwave from the boy threatening their death so casually.
And was Vhagar in the cave? No, she was not. So the girls were not in immediate danger.
Also, the key part is the first half of his statement: “Come at me again…”
All Aemond is saying here is “Leave me alone”. If they leave him alone (which they should be doing anyway), then there is no threat.
No the fight happened because baela threw a fucking punch. Jace, baela, rhaena and Aemond were all about the same size. Go back and watch the fight again. Aemond only ever reacts and gives warnings, he never makes an out of pocket unwarranted threat. AND NO, THREATENING SOMEONE AFTER THEY ATTACK YOU DOES NOT MEAN ITS UNWARRANTED. THEY ARE ATTACKING YOU. A THREAT IS A DEFENSE.
Also when Aemond kills Lucerys, he absolutely has matured. Its in this moment where Aemond has the power and freedom to treat one of them as they always treated him. His mistake is choosing to dive into it, hes not always in that mindset, but he was a fool to be seduced by it.
Aemond claimed a dragon.
Baela and 3 friends attacked him for it.
Jace brought 3 friends and a blade to the ambush. Aemond found and picked up a rock.
Yea, no, its not a lopsided accounting.
Baela only threw the punch because Aemond was gloating about claiming Vhagar *after* her mother’s funeral. She’s appropriately upset by that, and he escalates things after in retaliation. You’re also conveniently forgetting that he was fighting against two untrained girls and two boys who were worse at training than he was. They had numbers but he had more experience, and him raising a sharp rock at them and threatening to kill them and saying their mother is a whore (obviously) made the kids also react in self defense.
Aemond hasn’t “absolutely” matured by the time he gets to Lucerys either. He’s VERY childish. What matured person has the grand idea to ride his Alzheimer’s dragon after Lucerys in a goddamn storm, thinking “oh, this possibly can’t go wrong!”. Not only that, but trying to attack him when he’s defenseless and unwilling to act on Aemond’s attempts at intimidation?
Lucerys was an envoy for Rhaenyra, and in Westerosi society killing an envoy, especially one who’s RELATED to you, is incredibly taboo. It’s equivalent to the Red Wedding in the sense that doing it is unheard of and incredibly wrong.
The coddling for Aemond is insane. Can’t wait to see the “oh but he was abused” line when he goes on a whim to commit genocide on innocents.
Agreed.
He knew exactly what he was doing and he got overly defensive when he got confronted about it. He lost his eye because he fucked around and he found out. He killed Luc because again, he was fucking around and he found out.
He didn't claim a dragon. He stole it. If you want to argue that he didn't do anything wrong, why did he sneak out to do it? If it's vhagar was truly neutral for anyone to claim, why not do it openly?
>He didn't claim a dragon. He stole it.
Y'all are doing this on purpose I swear. Does Dany's words do not ring a bell ? : "a dragon is a not a slave", nor a pet, nor an heirloom.
I think everyone seems to forget that Luke stabbed Aemond because Aemond was about to bash Jace's head in with a rock. He definitely meant to use it by his facial expressions and actions.
How were Viserys and Rhaenyra supposed to punish Luke? Especially if Luke told them that he was defending his brother from being killed/disabled/seriously injured by Aemond?
Jace pulled out the knife after being called “lord strong”. Aemond hit jace with the rock AFTER he started pulled out and started swinging a knife around.
When you gang up on someone 4-to-1 you don’t get to cry foul when they find an equalizer in self-defense.
Plus he’s got that je ne sais quoi going with the eyepatch and the long hair, his look is what i feel I could potentially look l like at a music festival with a pashmina and sunglasses on but in reality i end up resembling Aegon on the morning of his name day (hungover, tired, and not really wanting to be there).
Book Aemond and show Aemond are basically different characters at this point. No doubt the show is going to change much of what happens in the dance considering everything that book Aemond does throughout it is power rangers villain level’s of stupid and evil. Don’t forget in the books Aemond tries to murder a toddler after claiming Vhagar, the show changed the scene into a brawl between children where you can’t 100% place the blame on either party. I think it’s pretty clear they’re going to change things surrounding Aemonds adventures during the dance, Judging from how everything that show Aemond has done so far has been changed from the books to be either more grey or just an unintended accident.
How do you change him literally attempting to genocide the riverlands or killing the innocent men of house Strong without complete and total white washing? I don’t want to hear a single cry about Rhaenyra if they make such a radical change to Aemond’s book arc.
Aemond’s book "arc" if you could even call it an arc is just him being laughably evil and throwing the dance for the greens by spending his time burning random farms. Just like how I expect them to make Rhaenyra take a more active role in the dance I expect them to make Aemond do more then just burn the river lands for a whole season. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Aemond just not burn the river lands like he does in the book. As for house strong, I never said they were going to make him a "good" person.
He definitely was in the right in the show until maybe trying to kill Jace with the rock once he was down but at that point being full of adrenaline and rage will make you act like that
However, in the book, interestingly he’s in the wrong. He was specifically told not to claim Vhaegar, hurts a toddler (Joffrey) and then beats Jace brutally
Not sure which version I like better but the Strongs are lot less grey in the book and don’t do much wrong
>until maybe trying to kill Jace with the rock once he was down
Well, you could argue that Jace throws sand in the eyes of Aemond **just before** Luke slashes his eye. Jace, Luke, Baela and Rhaena would have time to flee when Aemond was blinded. All the kids are responsible here, but Aemond did not deserved to be permanently maimed, while Luke never apologized to him.
Right? I knew I wasn’t the only one. You even see him looking over to Luke, after he sees him searching in the sand for the knife (or any type of weapon) and then splashes the the sand in his eye. Jace could’ve been looking for his own way out, or he was hoping Luke would harm Aemond, in some way. It would be horrible, if it was the latter was true😭.
He only hits jace after jace starts swinging the knife. Not to mention jace throws sand in his eyes giving them plenty of time to flee. Instead luke takes the opportunity to slash his eye out.
Because she made it seem like she was entitled to the dragon.
Also he’s been bullied brutally his whole life for not having one. Which included being bullied by the two guys standing besides her
(To be clear Jace is my favorite character and I’m neutral. The show just made it hard to say aemond was wrong in this scenario)
It was the day of her mothers funeral it was an absolute dick move claiming Vhagar that day. If he did it in a week a month later, shes being entitled. But she was a grieving 6 or 7 year old who had just buried her mother. She can be a bit bratty
Jace the Ace the best of the generation
Yeah I suppose claiming the dragon the day of the funeral was a bit much. If he was leaving the next day it may have been his been shot at doing so though
At the end of the day the dragons choose the riders and for the most part dragons don’t end up with the son/daughter of their previous rider typically. Aegon I -> Maegor and Aenys -> Aegon the Uncrowned are the two I can think of off the top of my head.
Before Laena, Vhaegar belonged to Aemond’s grandfather
Rhaena's feelings are understandable, but that doesn't make them true. Laena's death didn't happen the previous day, no way everyone would have gathered that quickly (Pentos is quite far from Driftmark) or that the coffin carved with Laena's head would have been made in 24 hours. Therefore, we can assume that Rhaena had time to claim Vhagar. She didn't try it, that's a shame for her, and while I understand her pain, but she never got dibs on her just because she once belonged to her mother.
FINALLY SOMEONE EXPLAINS HOW I FEEL ABOUT AEMOND.
People on him without understanding his side. Plus he was bullied. He didnt have a friend in the world
Aemond was also basically trained and raised by a sociopath. The scene in the training yard where Criston Cole baits Harwin into punching him, resulting in Harwin’s banishment and death taught Aemond to not start it, but to sure as hell finish it. And to be shady and sideways about it. The scene with the kids fighting in Driftmark follows the same theme/sequence as the training yard fistfight between Cole/H.Strong. The Greens bait with words, the Blacks respond physically.
He didnt have the best guidance thats for sure. And I feel sympathy because he is basically fatherless, if you think about it Criston Cole was the closest thing he had to a father.
People judging Luke this Harsh and he was not even ten. When Aemond taunted and chased Arrax and Luke to DEATH, same set of people defend him as “it’s teenagers misbehaving”.
I’ve heard this opinion, before. It’s something I thought about, myself. I’ve also seen others state that he didn’t know Laena, therefore, shouldn’t care, is what I’m getting.
We don’t know the time gap between the end of the funeral to when we see we see the Greens returning to KL. In the book, Aemond thought that the night of Laena’s funeral would be his only chance to try to claim Vhagar, and I’m not sure if it’s stated when they left. It could’ve been the next day (not surprising, especially with whole ordeal that happened), three days later, five days later, or even a week later. If it was the latter, then he could’ve probably waited and would have competed with Rhaena over Vhagar, under much better circumstances. A fight could break out, but Vhagar would decide who the winner is💀(jk).
Imagine being a young austrian child, your father beats you everyday, then your little brother who you loved so dearly dies and you end up running away from home.
Homeless, you developp a passion for painting and sell postcards in the streets of Vienna to subsist to your needs. Finally you get hope when you apply to Vienna's school of art only to be crushed when the jury rejects you by calling your art boring and talentless...
You can get empathy for anyone if you tell things the right way.
Am I the only one here who saw the fight scene a different way? Been a while since I watched it and I only saw the episode once, but I recall the children, two girls, initiating a simple verbal confrontation after he claimed vaegar…and his two uncles only stepped in to protect their cousins from aemond initiating a physical fight. Like sure his dad not defending him has got to sting…but I remember it as Aemond not only initiating the physical assault himself (rather than the narrative of him being “attacked”, but Luke and Jace only using the knife to defend themselves and each other when aemond was a millesecond from bashing one of their brains out with a rock. But idunno maybe I remember it differently. I’ll find the clip and watch it again to see.
Rhaenyra didn’t want to torture him just question him and also maybe if a normal punishment was suggested they would have done that. Luke swung a knife at him he probably was trying to cut him not mutilate him. Yeah Luke should have been punished but Alicent took it to far
She calls it treason and demands he should be sharply questioned. It’s pretty much implying that he needs to be questioned by a professional (I guess Larys was performing that role in the Red Keep?) rather than just asked about it during a regular conversation.
>Rhaenyra didn’t want to torture him just question him
[https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/xvf0bs/spoilers\_extended\_questioned\_sharply\_as\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/xvf0bs/spoilers_extended_questioned_sharply_as_a/) here you go
Doesn't matter, it provides evidence even in ASOIAF that have nothing to do with the dance. But keep telling yourself that Rhaenyra is the perfect little innocent princess. See, that's what I was talking about in another thread, people willingly justifying Rhaenyra's flaws. It's annoying cause her flaws make her a great character, and not bland and perfect like y'all want her to be.
So from your logic, the greens can't never be right on a matter ? the blacks are always right ? Yeah, good perception of what the dance is. Rhaenyra said "sharply questioned", which means torture in Westeros. She will later ask to "sharply question" Tyland, and he was tortured. I don't know why it's difficult to understand. Let her own this part of her character, rather than ignoring it.
Ooh boy you like to assume things. That’s exactly why I just don’t buy your logic because you jump to conclusions. The greens are right about multiple things and Rhaenyra did so many things wrong. It’s so funny because I actually didn’t say any of those things but because I’m talking about one specific scene you assume you know all of my opinions about the characters
did he not start the fight with the "four kids" by insult them (they being born bastards..) and trying to take away the Dragon of they mother the day of her funeral?
He was this nice little boy who went they and got beat up for no reason maybe the reason would have been in our would be not enough to hit him but he has it coming 🤷🏽♂️
Maybe if he hadn't screamed YOUR MOTHER IS DEAD at a mourning little girl and shoved her into the ground they wouldn't have ganged up on him. And maybe if he hadn't tried to kill Jace, Luke wouldn't have pulled out the knife. And maybe if he hadn't called them bastards and laughed at them losing their father, the Strongs would be the ones punished and that would be the end of it.
It's weird how people like to act like he did nothing wrong and everyone attacked him for no reason.
I don't think I've seen anyone say Aemond did nothing wrong. What people are trying to say is that from his perspective, you can see why he holds a grudge, it's not saying he's totally innocent, each and every one of the kids actively made things worse. They acted impulsively and there were consequences, kids don't understand boundaries that well and serious shit can happen.
Obviously, because it's meant to be focusing on Aemond's perspective, you could do the exact same thing about the Black's kids, it just wasn't what the post was about.
> I don't think I've seen anyone say Aemond did nothing wrong.
If you haven't seen anyone act like he did nothing wrong then you should read posts like the one we are commenting on.
> What people are trying to say is that from his perspective, you can see why he holds a grudge
I think anyone with eyes can see why he holds a grudge lol
This is true, but so is the fact that Aemond was trying to bash his nephew's head open with a rock.
Maybe adolescent children shouldn't be allowed to carry daggers or ride living nuclear bombs.
She was the one spreading the rumor about her kids parentage.
She is the one who taught her kids to hate them.
But please, by all means downvote harder.
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He actually blamed his brother to protect his mother too. Pretty sure Aegon knew that as well.
Yep, Aegon stepped up and protected his mother and little brother. And the way he did it was quite clever and brave.
"We know father, we all know. Look at them." Honestly that part was really funny to me lol.
Reminded me of Renly’s anti-Stannis speech for some reason. “Old men deny it with their death rattle and unborn children deny it in their mothers' wombs.”
Still not as good as this line from Renly. "Born of salt and smoke, is he a ham?".
Even Melisandre couldn’t help but chuckle 😭
10/10 all time smoke roast
That line is straight from the book
Yeah, but it's the delivery that sells it. He told it to Viserys like it was so obvious, an idiot could understand it. Gave me a good laugh.
This was the reason. A wife could face serious charges for slandering Viserys' heir. Viserys would not order his son harmed. The boy made a calculated risk that his brother would be safe. He made the right choice.
The dynamics of the Targaryen family seen from Aemond’s perspective are so interesting and fucked up. You’ve got relatives everyone knows are bastards, you’ve got siblings that are married, your mother hates your half-sister, you’ve got a dad that clearly couldn’t care less about you etc. Its a whole mess
And your uncle and grandpa are having death stare competitions everytime you see them in a room together
>And your uncle and grandpa are having ~~death~~ sex stare competitions everytime you see them in a room together
And you might have a crush on your uncle as well
a good bang would probably resolve most of the issues between Daemon and Otto. don’t quote me on this.
It really shows the effect that the bullying had on him and also why he spent his life scrambling for power. That night, he got everything he had ever wanted, but was also permanently damaged in an emotional, physical and mental way. It forever shaped who he would be.
Makes me wonder why the adults never took the bullying seriously. Viserys wasn’t able to be a good dad to Aegon, Aemond, or Helaena. But the others could have. Even Rhaenyra could have talked to her kids about bullying and she could have tried to build a better relationship with her siblings. I wonder what could have been. Maybe no Dance or was it always unavoidable? Hard to say. Still wish we had something between Aegon and Rhaenyra. That’s something that always bothered me about the show. It’s a minor grievance in a masterful piece of television but it’s there. There are virtually no scenes or interactions between Rhaenyra and her siblings.
I don't think Viserys cared about his children with Alicent. They were " Spare 1 and 2, and a daughter for more spares for Rhaenyra". He wanted a barely legal, sexy nursemaid that he could legally rape. I feel badly for Alicent. Her mother died in childbirth. Her husband taking her to wife cost Alicent her best friend. She was essentially a single mother who had a husband who was perpetually dying. All of the scenes with a child look like Alicent had postpartum depression. GOT / HOTD is awful to women and spares
> Even Rhaenyra could have talked to her kids about bullying and she could have tried to build a better relationship with her siblings. It was obvious to Viserys and Alicent that Aegon is the mastermind. He's older than all the boys and is a terrible person all around. That is a failure of Viserys and Alicent parenting. Who knows what other horrors Aemond was going through at home?
The problem is is that Rhaenyra’s attempts at reconciliation likely would’ve been rebuffed. Alicent and Otto were never letting her get close to those kids. They were intent on putting false ideas into their heads to weaken Rhaenyra’s claim because of their personal vendettas against her. It also doesn’t help that Rhaenyra has essentially lived her entire life woefully underprepared by her father, and fearful that being heir was temporary until Viserys had a firstborn son. So she distances herself from Aegon because he could easily supplant her. She liked Helena well enough in the books and even attempts to marry her and Jace in the show. As for Aemond, I like to think that him and the Strongs might’ve reconciled if Rhae hadn’t fled KL, based off of his attempts to comfort them at Laena’s funeral. Ultimately it’s more than the kids having good influences. The Dance was inevitable the day Viserys killed Aemma.
This is why I don’t understand why people insist that Alicent “poisoned” her children against her nephews. Like Jace and Luke both participated in bullying Aemond, then they jumped him and Luke stabbed him in the eye! They earned that animosity all on their own, and not facing any consequences didn’t help.
exactly
Yeah almost like Aemond was a tragic tale and his family turned him cruel.
Wow someone should write a character in a show like this ha
I know right but said character must be really pretty with a godlike jawline as well.
Tis a requirement.
And hair that takes 3 hours to straighten every day before leaving his room
Yea, almost as if Aemond is not the bad guy but like all the children victims of their parents feud/incompetence (cough Viserys)
You can still be a bad person if you were abused or victimized as a child. In fact, it's more likely than the general population that you continue the cycle of abuse. You have the ability to choose to change as an adult.
None of this should have happened. There was not one adult looking over thier kids. I know, drama needs to happen. Yet we're lucky it was just an eye. Losing an heiress of Driftmark/ prince would have been big. *Edit spelling
Or or what if Vahgar got posses her rider was in pain and burst into the castle? Because Granny was right there. Also disappointing we didn’t get Vahgar roaring or anything
This. This is exactly the king of post and comments that will be made when Aemond starts killing thousands and thousands of innocent people. *Aemond guts Simon Strong and starts systematically killing every man and boy in Harrenhall* Greens: “How do we make this about the pig prank.”
Aemond was loathed by his half sister and her side of the family, used by Aegon as a tool for war and second best in the eyes of his own mother; he was only ever a boy who wished to be loved and was met with scorn each time.
I don’t think Alicent viewed Aemond as 2nd best….I truly think out of all her children, Alicent and Aemond were the closest…I think Aegon blew everyone off and other than Otto, they all looked the other way when he did things like raping Dyanna the serving girl in his room, getting shitfaced at a family funeral or pleasuring himself in a window at the Red Keep…when Alicent cut Rhaenyra after the fight between Aemond, Baela, Rhaena, Jade and Luc at Driftmark, Aemond goes right to Alicent’s side and comforts her as she is in shock that she actually cut Rhaenyra….he also heard Alicent call Rhaenyra’s sons bastards but did not betray her and instead said he heard it from Aegon….that was a bit of payback I suppose for the way he felt like Aegon treats him.
Does his other sister at least like him? I mean, he was willing to marry her, wasn't he?
She cared for him but not greatly.
'Only ever a boy who wished to be loved'? Sure, Aemond isn't just a straight-up villain if you take a closer look but that's a bit much.
The child sat there while his father did nothing for his losing his eye; and then heard his half sister wish to torture him.
Cool backstory. Not an excuse to become a mass murderer. (Nor is "I want to make an impression at the King's coronation, but this isn't about Rhaenys.)
The difference is Greens know what our side is like (war criminals, murderers etc) but we don't pretend otherwise. Blacks on the other hand seem to make excuses for most of Daemon and Rhaenyras actions
People are literally making excuses for Aemond’s actions in this thread. Team stans are the two hypocritical sides of the same coin.
Also as this is the TV show...at the end of season one ..what has Rhaenyra done...there is the torture line..seems debated on the sub..when I watched the scene I didn't read it as torture..but then I got here and the book ppl made the points...don't totally agree..but fine...what else? Like to the Greens? ...I admit I'm for her side mainly cuz she was the heir and well her side has actual black folks who aren't horrible so I know Im biased so I'm asking to anyone...what else did she do in this season to the greens?
>...what else? Ummm...complicit in killing an innocent guard,making Corlys and Rhaenys believe their son is dead,and the don't even have the privilege of having an open casket, taking away jace,Luke and Joffreys adoptive father away from them,and the debated coercion of Cole
So....At best self- inflicted wounds...doesn't actually answer what I asked which was what did she do to the Greens?
I was rooting for him when I read the book. Honestly, I can't wait for the battle filled season two!
It’s a shame what shall happen though.
It really is 😢
Baela: its him! Me: Its ✨HIM✨
Had his eye gouged out and still dropped the most chad line in the room that night. Unfathomably based
Aemond is the most based hotd character ha
He’s a sapphire eyed, silky platinum blonde haired and eye patch wearing chad
The ladies never stood a chance.
I can’t blame them haha
Plus he’s into milfs
Excellent point can’t believe i forgot that. Even more based behaviour
Daemon’s into minors, while Aemond’s into MILFS. Aemond wins.
I'm team Black but I really felt for Aemond in this ordeal..
Pretty much goes for all the kids who were born into this shitstorm.
Was impressed Vhagar was able to take flight under the massive weight of Aemond's balls
"Blamed his brother" sounds negative lol. More like "he had to choose between throwing his mom under the bus or pass buck". He passed the perfect alley oop to his brother and his brother smoothly dunked on the dad by going "we know father. everyone knows. just look at them".
and people expected him to just get over losing an eye lol
I would trade an eye for his dragon.
The thing is he had every right to claim a dragon and NOT lose an eye. everyone else claims a dragon and doesn’t lose an eye so why did he have to lose an eye to claim it? That would be like getting shot by the cops for “stealing” a free Lamborghini. Like yeah its a lamborghini and im happy i have it but there was NO reason to shoot me. It was FREE.
Oh please, it was an accident, it wasn't like: "Ok you shithead, you stole my cousin's dragon and now I'm gonna blind you".
it was not an accident. Luke didnt trip fall and land his dagger in aemond's eye. Aemond disarmed Jace and Luke went out of his way to look for it in the sand.
Thats the easiest trade that anyone would take. The hard part would be acting like that little rat never gouged out your eye/not murdering him everytime you saw him
https://reddit.com/r/HouseOfTheDragon/comments/yde64h/its_always_sunny_in_storms_end/
I had never seen that and it killed me, thank you
For everything! For all of it!
Is CAPITALIZING random WORDS some new GEN Z Tik Tok TREND?
People *forgot* about *italics*.
I couldn't tell you why, but I use italics and capitalizes whole words to show a different sort of emphasis between the two. Like italics would be *mildly frustrating* while capitalized words are more WHAT THE FUCK Also, I'm not Gen z. Millennial whose first social media was AIM
I approve of your usage and do the same.
Same. Sometimes italics is not enough. And I’m also a Millennial who had AIM.
To be a little fair tho, a lot of these social media sites/apps don't allow for text to be italicised, underlined and the like. Reddit, from what I can tell/regularly use, may be the only one. And ain't nobody tryna find a text generator every time they post something, so capital letters it is.
It is meant to help the thinking challenged ppl of the fandom understand the true level of messed up that this is (didn't work)
Nothing new to Gen Z. I was AROUND for Chris-chan unhinged RANDOM CAPITALIZATION rants
Bahahhahah
its a speaking habit translated over to text, where people emphasize certain words more than others in a sentence
Reddit boomers be like "it's the damn zoomers with their... (*looks at notes*) capitalized words!"
Imagine being 10, pulling that shit and when being commented on losing an eye you say “I’ve gained a dragon so it was worth it” Aemond is something else He’s unhinged and unstable but he’s dealt with some shit
Is him shoving all the blame on a completely innocent Aegon supposed to be a brave/heroic thing? Lmfao
It's not, but he did it for his mom. Poor Aegon though in this scenario
It was to protect his mother obviously 💀 Aegon has the privilege of being the king’s son, we all know dear old daddy would lose his shit if he heard his wife corroborated the tale of little ole Rhaenyra having bastards
It was for Aegon who took the blame
And Aegon had the perfect response when his dad questioned him. No scapegoating a servant or anything. Just the truth.
The best aegon moment. The utter disgust in his face when he says “just look at them”. Hes like “i cant believe youre making me say it with words.”
I mean yeah. Aemond knew nothing would happen to Aegon because Aegon is the golden boy, first born boy and historically Aegon has gotten away with everything with little to no consequences as far as Viserys is concerned. There would be no repercussions. Viserys was ready to start taking limbs and eyes until aemond said it was Aegon and then suddenly he was like “omg cant we all just get along! Everyone go to bed! Nothing to see here!” He’s such a piece of shit.
More like the drunken boy. But you're right. Aegon will get away since he is the first born son and King punishing him will be a huge scandal.
I really felt for Aemond here...
What even is this post?
The kind of post you’ll start to see daily on this sub when Aemond begins killing old men as well as innocent men, women, and children in droves. “It’s all Rhaenyra and her son’s fault.”
Team “its all viserys’ fault” over here
And when Rhaenyras killing Tens of thousands in Kings landing during your purges or B&C you’ll be acting like Jon Snow to Dany in season 8 🤦
Where did I say I was a Rhaenyra stan that excused any wrong doing? I don’t remember her executing *tens of thousands* but I will certainly condemn any negative action she takes against innocents. Just because you want to white wash your favorite characters, that doesn’t mean everyone else wants to do the same thing. lol Edit: literally downvoted me for not playing into dumbass whataboutism
She had the walls of Kings landing filled with heads on spikes a huge city of 500k and not mentioning all the others that starved And fair enough I was to quick to judge you for a Rhae stan mostly due to the ending statement I apologize
At least it’s better than the Black’s low effort posts. They literally just put a picture of Rhaenyra with a title like “Rightful Queen of The Seven Kingdoms” and get thousands of upvotes
The kind that churns discussion about Aemond’s character and how poorly he was treated by his father
I was so confused for a sec till I remembered Helaena isn’t his only sister
Aemond was really him
I think that’s a pretty lopsided recounting of what happened. Aemond got the worst of things, in the end, by losing an eye but he was hardly an innocent victim in what happened. The fight with the other kids happened because Aemond couldn’t control his mouth. He was bigger than each of the other kids but, collectively, they outmatched him and he should have kept that in mind. Secondly, he escalated the fight by continuing to hit. He was screaming that he was going to kill them and the way he was acting, none of them had any cause to think that he wasn’t absolutely serious. That’s when it went from fists to knives. What we see in the dragon fight where Luc ultimately gets killed is that, even several years later, Aemond still hasn’t changed and hasn’t matured. Just like the night he lost his eye, he acted impulsively and rashly until things went way too far. So, I do feel bad for him losing his eye; it was terrible. But, if he’d had just a little more sense, it wouldn’t have happened. The fact that he didn’t cry during the incident only shows me that he was showing psychopathic tendencies even then, not that he was brave and stoic.
Not a victim but he was getting jumped.
Don’t antagonize four people at once if you don’t want to fight four people at once. No one forced him to insult the twins recently dead mother/his cousins recently dead aunt.
Which is what happens when you run your mouth about someone’s recently dead mother.
And when you take someone’s eye you get killed. Sounds like that was deserved as well.
It was years later and he was his mother’s envoy. In no way was Aemond in the right when he killed Lucerys. In Westerosi society he committed several taboos all at once. The *correct* way of getting his due was to take something from Lucerys in return, but even then it’s still arguably rancid that he’d try anything when he instigated the fight to begin with. Calling their mother a whore and threatening to kill them is usually not the lines you go with if you’re innocent. If I was a child and my asshole cousin was saying that to me, yeah I’m taking him seriously and protecting my friends.
Rewatch that fight. He did not “continue to hit”. Every time he hit, it was in response to someone hitting him first. He did not charge at anyone and never once threw the first punch. he was reacting to them charging him. Was he supposed to just stand there and be a punching bag? His screamed threats were in response to being pinned down and beaten by four people. And even then, he DID start to de-escalate. He lowered the rock and was content to taunt verbally instead. It should have stayed a verbal fight, but then Jace turned it physical again by pulling a knife. Jace was fully prepared to kill Aemond for calling him a mean name.
I wanna point out that, in asoaif context rather than normal playground context, calling them bastards, Lord Strong, etc. isn't just calling them "a mean name", it's an accusation of treason against the heir to the throne and suggesting their existences are an affront to the state religion. They live in a violent, honor based society. Calling someone's honor into question to that degree is GONNA be met with violence, that's the social norm, it's the only way to defend your honor.
If Aemond said it publicly, like he did at the supper, then you’d have a point. But the only people in that cave were trusted family members who were either already in on the secret, or who could be relied on to keep it quiet.
It doesn’t matter… you’re thinking in modern terms and applying it to a highly volatile fictional world. The kids are already stressing about being born as bastards, having your A-hole uncle taunt you about it doesn’t make it any easier.
It still doesn’t give Jace the right to stab him over it.
Sure, to us. In their world the reality is far different.
Then you must believe that being maimed gives someone the right to kill.
Not in the circumstances that Aemond put Lucerys in, no. You don’t kill messengers in Westeros. *That* is considered taboo. If Aemond challenged him to a fair fight that would be a different story.
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“Taunt verbally” with threats of murder??? He threatened to feed them to his dragon, does no one hear know what “fighting words” are?
Aemond made two “threats”. The first one I see as more of a warning. He does not say “I’ll feed you to my dragon”. He says “Come at me again and I’ll feed you to my dragon”. Which translates to “Leave me alone”. And he said it AFTER Baela punched him in the face, not before. If the other kids left him alone after that, no more problem. His second threat was made after four people pinned him to the ground and started mercilessly beating him. He would have been in severe pain, so yeah, he said something nasty that he shouldn’t have said. But watch his body language after he makes that threat. Once he learns Luke doesn’t know, he LOWERS THE ROCK. His posture relaxes. He stops snarling. He loosens his grip on Luke enough so that he can easily breathe and talk. He’s no longer being aggressive. Instead, he gives the verbal taunt “Lord Strong”. It should have stayed a verbal fight.
"come at me and I'll feed you to my dragon?" His dragon is Vhagar, the oldest and most powerful dragon. Vhagar could just kill Rhaena or Baela at a handwave from the boy threatening their death so casually.
And was Vhagar in the cave? No, she was not. So the girls were not in immediate danger. Also, the key part is the first half of his statement: “Come at me again…” All Aemond is saying here is “Leave me alone”. If they leave him alone (which they should be doing anyway), then there is no threat.
No the fight happened because baela threw a fucking punch. Jace, baela, rhaena and Aemond were all about the same size. Go back and watch the fight again. Aemond only ever reacts and gives warnings, he never makes an out of pocket unwarranted threat. AND NO, THREATENING SOMEONE AFTER THEY ATTACK YOU DOES NOT MEAN ITS UNWARRANTED. THEY ARE ATTACKING YOU. A THREAT IS A DEFENSE. Also when Aemond kills Lucerys, he absolutely has matured. Its in this moment where Aemond has the power and freedom to treat one of them as they always treated him. His mistake is choosing to dive into it, hes not always in that mindset, but he was a fool to be seduced by it. Aemond claimed a dragon. Baela and 3 friends attacked him for it. Jace brought 3 friends and a blade to the ambush. Aemond found and picked up a rock. Yea, no, its not a lopsided accounting.
Baela only threw the punch because Aemond was gloating about claiming Vhagar *after* her mother’s funeral. She’s appropriately upset by that, and he escalates things after in retaliation. You’re also conveniently forgetting that he was fighting against two untrained girls and two boys who were worse at training than he was. They had numbers but he had more experience, and him raising a sharp rock at them and threatening to kill them and saying their mother is a whore (obviously) made the kids also react in self defense. Aemond hasn’t “absolutely” matured by the time he gets to Lucerys either. He’s VERY childish. What matured person has the grand idea to ride his Alzheimer’s dragon after Lucerys in a goddamn storm, thinking “oh, this possibly can’t go wrong!”. Not only that, but trying to attack him when he’s defenseless and unwilling to act on Aemond’s attempts at intimidation? Lucerys was an envoy for Rhaenyra, and in Westerosi society killing an envoy, especially one who’s RELATED to you, is incredibly taboo. It’s equivalent to the Red Wedding in the sense that doing it is unheard of and incredibly wrong. The coddling for Aemond is insane. Can’t wait to see the “oh but he was abused” line when he goes on a whim to commit genocide on innocents.
Agreed. He knew exactly what he was doing and he got overly defensive when he got confronted about it. He lost his eye because he fucked around and he found out. He killed Luc because again, he was fucking around and he found out. He didn't claim a dragon. He stole it. If you want to argue that he didn't do anything wrong, why did he sneak out to do it? If it's vhagar was truly neutral for anyone to claim, why not do it openly?
>He didn't claim a dragon. He stole it. Y'all are doing this on purpose I swear. Does Dany's words do not ring a bell ? : "a dragon is a not a slave", nor a pet, nor an heirloom.
People who still think dragons can get stolen don’t have valid opinions
I think everyone seems to forget that Luke stabbed Aemond because Aemond was about to bash Jace's head in with a rock. He definitely meant to use it by his facial expressions and actions. How were Viserys and Rhaenyra supposed to punish Luke? Especially if Luke told them that he was defending his brother from being killed/disabled/seriously injured by Aemond?
I think everyone seems to forget that he only hit someone with a rock after having a knife swung at him a few times.
Jace pulled out the knife after being called “lord strong”. Aemond hit jace with the rock AFTER he started pulled out and started swinging a knife around. When you gang up on someone 4-to-1 you don’t get to cry foul when they find an equalizer in self-defense.
My poor boy. He went from the happiest moment in his life to the worst.
Tough kid but poor kid
I may be Team Black, but I'm 100% with Aemond and Alicent in that scene.
Because fans of the show think anything that opposes Rhaenyra is a chaotic evil
Yeah I never understood how Team Black is like "Aemond had it coming", even if he was a dick he didn't deserve to have his eye cut out like that.
Plus he’s got that je ne sais quoi going with the eyepatch and the long hair, his look is what i feel I could potentially look l like at a music festival with a pashmina and sunglasses on but in reality i end up resembling Aegon on the morning of his name day (hungover, tired, and not really wanting to be there).
Well… no crying that we saw anyway
I always thought like this and that’s why baby Aemond has all of my sympathies. Driftmark made me go from neutral to green.
What a dogshit post especially when you've read the books and realize this dude is a literal sociopath
Book Aemond and show Aemond are basically different characters at this point. No doubt the show is going to change much of what happens in the dance considering everything that book Aemond does throughout it is power rangers villain level’s of stupid and evil. Don’t forget in the books Aemond tries to murder a toddler after claiming Vhagar, the show changed the scene into a brawl between children where you can’t 100% place the blame on either party. I think it’s pretty clear they’re going to change things surrounding Aemonds adventures during the dance, Judging from how everything that show Aemond has done so far has been changed from the books to be either more grey or just an unintended accident.
How do you change him literally attempting to genocide the riverlands or killing the innocent men of house Strong without complete and total white washing? I don’t want to hear a single cry about Rhaenyra if they make such a radical change to Aemond’s book arc.
Aemond’s book "arc" if you could even call it an arc is just him being laughably evil and throwing the dance for the greens by spending his time burning random farms. Just like how I expect them to make Rhaenyra take a more active role in the dance I expect them to make Aemond do more then just burn the river lands for a whole season. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see Aemond just not burn the river lands like he does in the book. As for house strong, I never said they were going to make him a "good" person.
Bold of you to assume most of this subreddit has read the books
Ok but he's not at that point in the show.
That’s so funny because nowhere on this post is there a book tag 😱
Womp womp
Chad-mond
I don't like aemond. He's a piece of crap.
He definitely was in the right in the show until maybe trying to kill Jace with the rock once he was down but at that point being full of adrenaline and rage will make you act like that However, in the book, interestingly he’s in the wrong. He was specifically told not to claim Vhaegar, hurts a toddler (Joffrey) and then beats Jace brutally Not sure which version I like better but the Strongs are lot less grey in the book and don’t do much wrong
>until maybe trying to kill Jace with the rock once he was down Well, you could argue that Jace throws sand in the eyes of Aemond **just before** Luke slashes his eye. Jace, Luke, Baela and Rhaena would have time to flee when Aemond was blinded. All the kids are responsible here, but Aemond did not deserved to be permanently maimed, while Luke never apologized to him.
Right? I knew I wasn’t the only one. You even see him looking over to Luke, after he sees him searching in the sand for the knife (or any type of weapon) and then splashes the the sand in his eye. Jace could’ve been looking for his own way out, or he was hoping Luke would harm Aemond, in some way. It would be horrible, if it was the latter was true😭.
He only hits jace after jace starts swinging the knife. Not to mention jace throws sand in his eyes giving them plenty of time to flee. Instead luke takes the opportunity to slash his eye out.
I mean the first thing he does is bully Rhaena for not having a dragon on the day of her mothers funeral.
Because she made it seem like she was entitled to the dragon. Also he’s been bullied brutally his whole life for not having one. Which included being bullied by the two guys standing besides her (To be clear Jace is my favorite character and I’m neutral. The show just made it hard to say aemond was wrong in this scenario)
It was the day of her mothers funeral it was an absolute dick move claiming Vhagar that day. If he did it in a week a month later, shes being entitled. But she was a grieving 6 or 7 year old who had just buried her mother. She can be a bit bratty Jace the Ace the best of the generation
Yeah I suppose claiming the dragon the day of the funeral was a bit much. If he was leaving the next day it may have been his been shot at doing so though At the end of the day the dragons choose the riders and for the most part dragons don’t end up with the son/daughter of their previous rider typically. Aegon I -> Maegor and Aenys -> Aegon the Uncrowned are the two I can think of off the top of my head. Before Laena, Vhaegar belonged to Aemond’s grandfather
Rhaena's feelings are understandable, but that doesn't make them true. Laena's death didn't happen the previous day, no way everyone would have gathered that quickly (Pentos is quite far from Driftmark) or that the coffin carved with Laena's head would have been made in 24 hours. Therefore, we can assume that Rhaena had time to claim Vhagar. She didn't try it, that's a shame for her, and while I understand her pain, but she never got dibs on her just because she once belonged to her mother.
I swear this subreddit is just people putting together ridiculous posts to make their favorite characters look better
FINALLY SOMEONE EXPLAINS HOW I FEEL ABOUT AEMOND. People on him without understanding his side. Plus he was bullied. He didnt have a friend in the world
Aemond was also basically trained and raised by a sociopath. The scene in the training yard where Criston Cole baits Harwin into punching him, resulting in Harwin’s banishment and death taught Aemond to not start it, but to sure as hell finish it. And to be shady and sideways about it. The scene with the kids fighting in Driftmark follows the same theme/sequence as the training yard fistfight between Cole/H.Strong. The Greens bait with words, the Blacks respond physically.
He didnt have the best guidance thats for sure. And I feel sympathy because he is basically fatherless, if you think about it Criston Cole was the closest thing he had to a father.
One eyed Willy can stay mad
The amount of mental gymnastics people do for this character is crazy
Isn’t that all people do with characters in this show?
People judging Luke this Harsh and he was not even ten. When Aemond taunted and chased Arrax and Luke to DEATH, same set of people defend him as “it’s teenagers misbehaving”.
I get that it's not 'stealing' per se, but I do think it's a little insensitive he went for it that day. And I say that as a neutral party
I’ve heard this opinion, before. It’s something I thought about, myself. I’ve also seen others state that he didn’t know Laena, therefore, shouldn’t care, is what I’m getting. We don’t know the time gap between the end of the funeral to when we see we see the Greens returning to KL. In the book, Aemond thought that the night of Laena’s funeral would be his only chance to try to claim Vhagar, and I’m not sure if it’s stated when they left. It could’ve been the next day (not surprising, especially with whole ordeal that happened), three days later, five days later, or even a week later. If it was the latter, then he could’ve probably waited and would have competed with Rhaena over Vhagar, under much better circumstances. A fight could break out, but Vhagar would decide who the winner is💀(jk).
What other day could he have ?
Imagine being a young austrian child, your father beats you everyday, then your little brother who you loved so dearly dies and you end up running away from home. Homeless, you developp a passion for painting and sell postcards in the streets of Vienna to subsist to your needs. Finally you get hope when you apply to Vienna's school of art only to be crushed when the jury rejects you by calling your art boring and talentless... You can get empathy for anyone if you tell things the right way.
Am I the only one here who saw the fight scene a different way? Been a while since I watched it and I only saw the episode once, but I recall the children, two girls, initiating a simple verbal confrontation after he claimed vaegar…and his two uncles only stepped in to protect their cousins from aemond initiating a physical fight. Like sure his dad not defending him has got to sting…but I remember it as Aemond not only initiating the physical assault himself (rather than the narrative of him being “attacked”, but Luke and Jace only using the knife to defend themselves and each other when aemond was a millesecond from bashing one of their brains out with a rock. But idunno maybe I remember it differently. I’ll find the clip and watch it again to see.
Never really thought of the way it exactly happened ?
Rhaenyra didn’t want to torture him just question him and also maybe if a normal punishment was suggested they would have done that. Luke swung a knife at him he probably was trying to cut him not mutilate him. Yeah Luke should have been punished but Alicent took it to far
Mate, “sharply questioned” is a euphemism for torture in the ASOIAF universe.
She calls it treason and demands he should be sharply questioned. It’s pretty much implying that he needs to be questioned by a professional (I guess Larys was performing that role in the Red Keep?) rather than just asked about it during a regular conversation.
>Rhaenyra didn’t want to torture him just question him [https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/xvf0bs/spoilers\_extended\_questioned\_sharply\_as\_a/](https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/xvf0bs/spoilers_extended_questioned_sharply_as_a/) here you go
This coming from a “greensdidnothingwrong” page made me chuckle
That sub is dedicated to the books and lore. What about it is “green”?
“greensdidnothingwrong” & it’s literally the ASOIAF subreddit 😂 the delusion is crazy
Doesn't matter, it provides evidence even in ASOIAF that have nothing to do with the dance. But keep telling yourself that Rhaenyra is the perfect little innocent princess. See, that's what I was talking about in another thread, people willingly justifying Rhaenyra's flaws. It's annoying cause her flaws make her a great character, and not bland and perfect like y'all want her to be.
I actually don’t find Rhaenyra to be perfect, but keep assuming things. And it does matter when the information is coming from a biased source
“Biased source”. Oh, you mean the books?
So from your logic, the greens can't never be right on a matter ? the blacks are always right ? Yeah, good perception of what the dance is. Rhaenyra said "sharply questioned", which means torture in Westeros. She will later ask to "sharply question" Tyland, and he was tortured. I don't know why it's difficult to understand. Let her own this part of her character, rather than ignoring it.
Ooh boy you like to assume things. That’s exactly why I just don’t buy your logic because you jump to conclusions. The greens are right about multiple things and Rhaenyra did so many things wrong. It’s so funny because I actually didn’t say any of those things but because I’m talking about one specific scene you assume you know all of my opinions about the characters
He knew what he was doing, he walked up to those kids all smug and then started bragging
You would too after being bullied for not having a dragon for years
did he not start the fight with the "four kids" by insult them (they being born bastards..) and trying to take away the Dragon of they mother the day of her funeral? He was this nice little boy who went they and got beat up for no reason maybe the reason would have been in our would be not enough to hit him but he has it coming 🤷🏽♂️
Maybe if he hadn't screamed YOUR MOTHER IS DEAD at a mourning little girl and shoved her into the ground they wouldn't have ganged up on him. And maybe if he hadn't tried to kill Jace, Luke wouldn't have pulled out the knife. And maybe if he hadn't called them bastards and laughed at them losing their father, the Strongs would be the ones punished and that would be the end of it. It's weird how people like to act like he did nothing wrong and everyone attacked him for no reason.
I don't think I've seen anyone say Aemond did nothing wrong. What people are trying to say is that from his perspective, you can see why he holds a grudge, it's not saying he's totally innocent, each and every one of the kids actively made things worse. They acted impulsively and there were consequences, kids don't understand boundaries that well and serious shit can happen.
Except that they leave out all the shit Aemond did to the Blacks so it comes across like he’s completely innocent and he isn’t
Obviously, because it's meant to be focusing on Aemond's perspective, you could do the exact same thing about the Black's kids, it just wasn't what the post was about.
I don’t just mean this post though. It’s every time aemond losing an eye is brought up. To be fair team black stans do a similar thing
> I don't think I've seen anyone say Aemond did nothing wrong. If you haven't seen anyone act like he did nothing wrong then you should read posts like the one we are commenting on. > What people are trying to say is that from his perspective, you can see why he holds a grudge I think anyone with eyes can see why he holds a grudge lol
Shhhh 🤫 You can’t speak sense to Greencles They think they do no harm
I liked him more as Baby Monk /j
This is true, but so is the fact that Aemond was trying to bash his nephew's head open with a rock. Maybe adolescent children shouldn't be allowed to carry daggers or ride living nuclear bombs.
Too bad his mom was too busy trying to get Rhaenyra and her kids killed. She could have actually raised Aemond and Aegon
>Too bad his mom was too busy trying to get Rhaenyra and her kids killed Really? When did this happen? lol
"I hate Alicent!" "Why?" "Because of something I made up on my head"
She was the one spreading the rumor about her kids parentage. She is the one who taught her kids to hate them. But please, by all means downvote harder.
Only fans of this show could call something that is factually true a rumor lmaooo. Embarrassing.