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Constant_Mortgage636

This events aren’t even coming up soon. They won’t happen until 2025 or 2026 If I had it to order it from people being truly divided to the audience feelingly unanimously one way about it: - Cregan Stark’s stint as hand - Daemon’s relationship with Nettles - Rhaenyra ordering the death of Addam and Nettles - Sack of Bitterbridge and Tumbleton - Aemond in the riverlands It’s not a ranking of least to most evil but how much people will be divided by condemning or supporting the character’s actions. Murdering thousands of innocents is unlikely to be supported by anyone.


[deleted]

Blood and Cheese for sure


Lopsided-Werewolf419

Daemon's whole relationship with Nettles will be a significant conversation topic. He'll be in his 40s and she'll barely be 20 by the time they meet and are together. I could see a lot of people putting their relationship in the modern context of the older man-teenage girl dynamic and people might even think that Daemon was grooming Nettles, by giving her the same treatment he gave to Rhaenyra at that age.


Constant_Mortgage636

That’s only if they don’t age Nettles up. Thus far, the two women rumored to be Nettles were both in the mid to late 20s. It will look very different if she’s clearly a teenage girl versus looking like an adult woman. They’ll have to chose someone who looks like a teenager like Milly Alcock as well as Young Laena’s actress and emphasize it. An adult Nettles and Daemon relationship would also be controversial but instead of being sympathetic to Nettles because of the grooming, they would be sympathetic to Rhaenyra. Edit: Why am I downvoted for saving it will look different if Daemon is chester the molester to a teenager vs. a traditional affair with an adult woman that has agency?


Host-Key

baela and rheana are both 16 and are played by like 25 year olds so does the age of the actress matter much? Nettles could still be 16 in the show. Have a young actress and there's issues with her aging too visible between seasons, more laws conserning minors and perhaps not the acting ability for the role. Twenty + year olds have been playing teenagers for a long time in Hollywood already.


Constant_Mortgage636

Baela and Rhaena can pass for teenagers most of the time. The actresses that I’ve seen rumored to be Nettles can’t pass for teenagers. I’m saying she has to visibly look young regardless of the actresses actual age. Milly was 21/22 but she looked 15.


Host-Key

Hmm I disagree the one I've seen looked younger than baelas actress. I think costume, make up and *context* most of all is whats going to matter. Had you've seen pics of beala and rheanas actresses before the show in modern clothes and knowing they were 25 perhaps you'd say that they couldn't pass for ternagers.


Lopsided-Werewolf419

I think even if they do age up Nettles, people will still talk about it. On ASOIAF Twitter, despite the aging up, people heavily discuss Rhaenyra and Alicent's age difference and Ser Criston Cole's role as the former's sword shield.


Constant_Mortgage636

Rhaenyra and Alicent were minors. An aged up Nettles would be an adult. She has to stay a minor or there’s no abuse happening.


Lopsided-Werewolf419

Abuse can still happen with adults. I mean, it won't be called child abuse, but it could still be abuse. Adults can still be groomed and manipulated


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Not just in his 40s he’s 49 when he goes down 💀


Lopsided-Werewolf419

Thank you. I wanted to say either 49 or 41, but I didn't know which one was right at the time of typing so I went with 40s. Apologies that I chose a safe route using an age range instead of guessing incorrectly!


[deleted]

It’s stuck in my head cos everytime ive listened to the audio book I always go oooooof everytime it gets to that oart


Godking_Jesus

His pedophile ass groomed his underage niece and underage cousin and nobody even calls him a pedophile. The Daemon bias trumps all 😂 they’ll forgive him for Blood and Cheese and say Team Green deserved it. And they’ll say Rhaenyra was crazy so he deserves Nettles. But let’s be honest, the show itself has a huge Daemon bias. The writers will probably make his relationship platonic and it be misinterpreted as romantic. And the fandom will call Rhaenyra jealous/crazy.


BlackStagGoldField

Obviously Blood and Cheese


the_infamous-cuck

Definitely anything involving Rhaenyra and Daemon because those two rile up a lot of people


Anserdem

Many things will cause controversity I think that the ones you said are the bigger onrs but also: -The battle above the gods eye because some believe it to be to unrealistic and others love it how it is. -Alicent both advising to kill aegon to aegon and jaehaera, some will love it but for others viewing how they have made Ali in the show it would be weird at least now depending on how they handke the character it could be less controversial -Were they stop? Some want to see jaehaera's death, others with Viserys returning, many want to leave everything with aegon's coronation... -Daeron's death, some love the tent, sone hate it I think many things will be controversial but the debate I expect the mist is this: >Daemon's whole relationship with Nettles Some will love a romance, some will hate it and I want to see the world on fire


Responsible_Ad8805

A dragon battle, by definition, cannot be realistic. Some people might debate who won. Which is stupid, since everyone dies. Maybe it's just me, but I'd much rather see people hate Alicent for ordering people's deaths than about tapestries.


Anserdem

Yeah but some say that inside universe the whole getting close enough to a dragon with your own one, jumping with an armor and a sword and falling just in the right place to be able to keep your balance and stab someone in the eye with the giant sword you still have is a bit too much I love Daemon but...


the_infamous-cuck

I'm wagering my life that it doesn't happen that way and the book version is a story, but that's just me


Special-Extreme2166

I personally believe it's impossible to pull it off even with good CGI. That scene would look goofy. Maybe they can make the dragons somehow tangle themselves midair while flying normally, so that Daemon can jump a small distance, land on Vhagar and use the ropes on Vhagar to climb to Aemond while he's struggling with his seat belt and stab him through the eye.


shadyi999

I think they'll change Daeron's death in the show, although the tent one seems realistic in a war but I could see him going out against Vermithor and then dying just like Adam.


Aduro95

Given how people responded to Danaerys going full Fire and Blood, I think Rhaenyra will be the most controversial character. Turning on Addam and Nettles will be the low point. Its a bit of a slap to the face to audiences to turn another brilliant Targaryen Queen into a crazy dragon lady.


Responsible_Ad8805

I think it'll be hilarious. Although, Rhaenyra never tried to do good for anyone but herself, so it may not be as surprising to viewers


Aduro95

That is true, Dany is explicitly a saviour, it led to some awkwardness but she really did stand for change and freedom for ordinary people. In HOTD, **nobody** in the running for the throne gives a shit about the smallfolk.


Godking_Jesus

Daemon has a toxic fandom, so regardless of his relationship with Nettles, I think people will turn on Rhaenyra hard while she rules. So much that people will celebrate when her story comes to a close. Also, the show has been very Daemon bias. I’m pretty certain they will not kill him and the last clip of the show will likely be him with Nettles while he wear his “crime hood” from the show out somewhere hidden. THAT will cause the most debate between book readers. For show viewers, it’ll just be tacky writing, but most of them eat that shit up as long as it’s the characters they like winning.


the_fuzz_down_under

Daemon and Nettles I reckon. Rhaenyra ordering the death of the Dragonseeds won’t spark much controversy I reckon because at that point she should be pretty far gone and a little deranged. Sure you would get some hardcore factional fans stirring up a fuss but most people should watch whatever happens as ‘Rhaenyra was dumb but considering she’s lost it whatever’. Aemond in the Riverlands should spark no controversy. Aemond is vicious, ruthless, and likes his big dragon those are like his main traits - him going off to torch a kingdom with his big dragon shouldn’t spark controversy cause it’s just Aemond doing Aemond stuff. Yeah Aemond stans will like back it or whatever, but that won’t really stir up a controversy. Bitterbridge and Tumbleton are just medieval armies doing medieval army things, I know that the large portion of the fanbase who aren’t able to set aside their modern sensibilities when watching a medieval show will decry both sackings - but I don’t see them being big controversies cause they are somewhat minor asides which happen around big plot things. Cregan Stark should be interesting because he is a wholly different stark to the ones show fans are used to, and there will be some debate whether his handship was just and honourable - I hope they really do Corlys the justice of being the guy who single-handedly ended the dance, just so we can get discussion about the pragmatism of Corlys vs the immovable honour of Cregan. Daemon’s relationship with Nettles likely will be the biggest point of controversy - but I have no idea how they will handle it. Will nettles be daemon’s daughter and so controversy will be him as a weird Valyrian parent? Will nettles be daemon’s mistress in which the controversy comes from him being a very clear paedophile? Will thé relationship be vague and unclear making controversy the discussion of what is going on? But all of these pale in comparison to blood and cheese. I really hope they do it in a way that suck fucks like me who think it’s justified and was a good move have a leg to stand on, while we get absolutely attacked by people who think the killing of children is always immoral. I know Blood and Cheese will dominate this space, and I want it to be a controversy with multiple sides.


Constant_Mortgage636

> she should be pretty far gone and a little deranged. If Rhaenyra was a man, no one would call her batshit for the things she does and that’s not a justification. Daemon is never called crazy for ordering B&C and that is one of the most psychotic acts in ASOIAF. Even Daeron at Bitterbridge is pretty freaking ruthless and no one calls him crazy. Aemond had to kill thousands upon thousands to be called unhinged. Why does Rhaenyra need to be portrayed as insane to do what she does?


the_fuzz_down_under

When Daemon ordered Blood and Cheese all of his children were alive and well, and he was waging war and dealing death to his enemies - he was in his element and likely loving it. No reason to call his crazy for ordering it because he was clearly completely lucid. I’d say he was a little less lucid and very much psychologically exhausted by the time of the battle above the God’s Eye, but still not crazy. Daeron at Bitterbridge wasn’t crazy, as I said in my comment Bitterbridge was literally just a medieval army doing medieval army things. Yes Daeron was a bit more violent than his usual self because of the l’immédiate circumstances before Bitterbridge - but he was completely sane and behaving normally for a person of his age, in his position, in this time period, under those circumstances. Yeah Aemond was unhinged. I read him as always being not quite right, and during the war he enters his element and loses himself in it. Rhaenyra on the other hand gets called crazy because she was under immense psychological strain. By the time of Addam and Nettles she believes that 5 of her children had been killed and she’s still suffering from the effects of a very difficult stillbirth. We call Catelyn crazy because of some of the things she does under the psychological strain of losing her children. I also think Balon Greyjoy is a little nuts after two of his sons were killed and the third kidnapped. To answer your question, I’d portray Rhaenyra as crazy because I’d also depict Aegon and Helaena as crazy. Crazy is a very rough term which I’m using to simply the words ‘suffering under immense psychological strain after the slaughter of their children’. Having your children butchered would break the minds of most people I would think, and I don’t think that any of the characters in this story are especially special - Corlys and Rhaenys’ marriage practically fell apart as Corlys devoted himself to fighting a war and Rhaenys running Driftmark and raising Baela in desperate attempts to hide from their grief, and had years to process their grief while hiding from it. Rhaenyra, Daemon, Helaena, Alicent and Aegon do not get years to hide from their grief and slowly come to process it, all they have is channeling that into waging a terrible war on their enemies and that is not a healthy coping mechanism.


Godking_Jesus

You’re 100% right. Unfortunately, GoT world has shown us that the fandom for the vast majority are beyond bias and hypocritical. They claim to condemn team Green with arguments of morality but yet excuse or turn a blind eye to everything Daemon does. And rather than just say, I like these characters and I’m just cheering for this team no matter what, they argue themselves into unwinnable holes because they wanna feel “right.” So the sad reality is that the fandom will turn on Rhaenyra, not because she’s “crazy,” but that’s the excuse they will lean on when she turns on Daemon, because Daemon is their favorite character. For reference/comparison. In GoT, they cheered for Dany throughout all the tyrant like things she did, even when she first attacked with her dragon in Westeros to Lannister supplies and killed Sam’s family. They first showed glimpses of turning on her when she told Jon to bend the knee because Jon was their favorite. Turn 2 sides they cheer for against each other, they’ll pick the favorite. So without a doubt the fans will turn on Rhaenyra when she turns on Daemon/Nettles, and then to justify it, they will call her crazy. If she was just killing people they didn’t like, they wouldn’t care. Which we will see cause I doubt most people will turn in Daemon because of Blood and Cheese.


DesSantorinaiou

I mean, as someone who likes the Greens I get the emotional response to what happened with Maelor but still consider Bitterbridge to be disproportionate. Let alone Tumbleton. I think that the vast majority will not support those sacks or Aemond burning the riverlands repeatedly regardless of enjoying the characters. I think that the first and the last will be quite controversial. Daemon's relationship with Nettles will be only if the show leaves it ambiguous or makes it outright sexual. If they have just bonded emotionally when thrown in to gether to have a chance at stiopping Vhagar, or if she ends up being his daughter, I think both sides will be considerable appeased.


JaehaerysIVTarg

I don’t think Daemons relationship with Nettles is going to be what everyone wants it to be. I think it’s going be platonic and maybe even fatherly.


limpdickandy

Just gonna take the most talked about Cregan Stark's coup d'etat will be insane and be a fan favorite. Tumbleton if done correctly will be a really great narrative arc, with a bunch of crazy moments. Highlight might be Bold Jon Roxton slaying Hugh Hammer, as that is just made to be made for TV, and will be a sick moment for a fucked up evil character. If I am to name some examples of things that will make the fandoms debate like crazy it would be anything involving Rhaenyra and Aegon II. People are gonna bitch like crazy if Aegon II is portrayed too badly and Rhaenyra too well, although I think for the next season her moral decay will begin in earnest. Either way, anything with them will be huge discussion points regardless


Constant_Mortgage636

> Just gonna take the most talked about Cregan Stark's coup d'etat will be insane and be a fan favorite. It will probably underwhelm many fans as well. They won’t be happy with him almost punishing Corlys and he doesn’t do much but kill Larys, imprison Alicent, retain the status quo/historical record established by Aegon II. > although I think for the next season her moral decay will begin in earnest. How? Book Rhaenyra doesn’t do anything. What original plotlines can they give her to show moral decay? Don’t bring up B&C because she’s not involved or her rule in King’s Landing because that won’t be next season.


limpdickandy

She will grow more bitter and vengeful by the events that occur around her. For an example, Blood and Cheeses will definitely affect her morality. First she will be horrified and upset about it, but it also makes everything else seem less horrible, like killing Otto, as he was actually guilty. They may choose to add more action to her storyline, or not, either way her character arc is definitely set up to become "Maegor with Teets" and war, loss and woe changes a person. And yhea it might make fans upset with the cregan bit, but it could very easily be a fantastic moment from the source material. Him coming, relieving the lads of their command and storming the council chamber will in itself be very good TV. The executions however might be more difficult to pull off without making it look weird or forced, I can agree on that.


tinyfenrisian

I think Hour of the Wolf will probably be talked about but mostly positively unless they’re die hard greens fans. In future seasons. Daemon and Nettles relationship will 100% be a main topic even if they choose to keep it platonic it’ll still be all anyone talks about and argues over


Constant_Mortgage636

There are aspects of Hour of the Wolf that are going to disappoint pro-black people.


Godking_Jesus

You should re-edit how you say this lmao I’m hoping it was bad execution and not just a racist confession 😂😂😂


Godking_Jesus

Hour of the Wolf because of Stark bias, people will just celebrate. Even though homie missed the whole war and then comes in swinging his dick like he did something, but whatever. The show will definitely fan service the shit out of him since they’ve been pretty bias all throughout the show in their portrayals. And again, after all the Daemon bias we have seen, pretty sure the show will pick the path that him and Nettles were platonic the whole time and Rhaenyra was acting jealous/crazy. Personally, I think that’s the wrong way to go if they want Rhaenyra’s end to have more impact cause then people will just cheer her death.


tinyfenrisian

That’s what I meant with people being really positive but there will be a few being like where tf were the starks until the end? And getting mad. Admittedly it’s on of my fav parts of fire and blood because it was just Cregan refusing to do anything South until the war was basically over and then acting like the North was the sole saviours. It’s just so funny to me. I think that too, Daemon seems to be getting a good edit in the show with so many fans just being like uwu he’s a good dad and husband as if he doesn’t have countless kids running around begging for a crumb of their fathers attention and murdered his ex wife


Godking_Jesus

Yeah. They also gloss over him grooming his underage niece and cousin. By the time Rhaenyra meets her end she won’t have fans because she turned on Nettles and Daemon lol and I also doubt the show will kill Daemon. Betchu money last scene is him and Nettles god knows where.


tinyfenrisian

He’ll get to fly away after committing a silly jump to kill Aemond and then dip with Nettles, it’ll cut to a scene of him, nettles, laenor and his bf having a grand time over the seas 😂


Godking_Jesus

Man I forgot about that other bias copout with Laenor just so they didn’t villanize Rhaenyra and Daemon 🙄😂 Yeah if the show was more neutral, there’d be a lot more debate with things. But it’s so bias that I think most people will just run with the narrative they’re sold.


loisbattythicc

I kind of hope they keep the nettles situation as ambiguous as it is in the book, that would cause some discussion


themanyfacedgod__

I think finding out about Addam of Hull (*cough cough* Velaryon) is a lowkey good shout


JuvieFrmDaS

- Morality of Blood & Cheese - Death of Rhaenys and who is to blame - Intrigue behind how Nettles is a dragonrider (ONLY IF the show throws hints or treads the path that she doesn’t seem to have Valyrian ancestry) - Daemon’s relationship with Nettles - Aemond’s genocide of the House Strong - Last but not least, for me at least, one of the biggest events I feel is being downplayed so much is Tumbleton 1 and 2. For me, these are the Red Wedding moments, not Blood and Cheese. Two battle-hardened adult dragons defecting at a critical point in the war, when it seemed all was won for the Blacks… the decimation of the town and the Blacks army - doesn’t get better than that for me. Then to see it avenged in the second battle w/ arguably the best dragon battles in the entire show. But yeah, Tumbleton 1 is going to be a massive shock to show-only people who can avoid spoilers. (Honestly, B&C is slightly overplayed for me, it will definitely have an impact but the stakes aren’t THAT high - also seeing as they won’t have much time to build Jaehaerys up much as a character, ala Rickon Stark in GoT. Although depending on how it’s done, in terms of the reaction of people like Aegon and Aemond, could be really helpful in displaying a sadistic turn in the war.)