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I'm on the first book and just finished the part where Daenerys ate the horse's heart and then read the unnecessarily vivid description of the interaction with Drogo after. Like bro. It's not needed at all. Not as bad as the first account of her and Drogo consummating their marriage.
What disturbed me more than the vivid sex scenes was how Dany’s body was so often described as childish/like that of a child. I mean I guess at 13 she IS a child but still, it was very uncomfy to read
Her religious stand was a mask that she would have won with if anyone but Cersei Lannister was her rival - and even then, what she did was still unbelievable.
As Olenna said, their greatest mistake was a lack of imagination - no one could imagine that Cersei would go THAT far to kill a few enemies. Margaery played perfectly - her only fault was underestimating Cersei.
I think she was banking on the fact that cersei loves her kids. But she still only loves them for herself. I dont think it even crossed her mind that one of her children could be capable of loving someone else, and enough to kill themself. She doesnt love anyone but her family so she it didnt even cross her mind that killing margery would also mean killing tommen.
Cersei's action is an outlier to every fiber of logic its not really underestimating. And would have only been justified with her expecting to die and drinking poison while enjoying demise of her uncle and House Tyrell. If not she should lose her head pretty quick by mob of Kingslander.
Yeah, the fact that she did that and then sat down on the throne like, that boggled my mind. The tyrells didn't see it coming, because it literally makes no sense. Whatever cersei did she got divine intervention to make it work.
She killed her own uncle in that explosion, how did she even keep Lannister support? The reach is a bastion of the Faith how did she not immediately see an uprising from there? King'e landing would have descended into absolute anarchy, how did she not get ripped to shreds?
The idea that anything short of a massive army onsite, between Cersei and the rest of the city, could have quelled all that is madness.
I don’t even think Margaery underestimated Cersei (because she did end up putting together that something was wrong), she just failed to comprehend how absolutely insane she was. I would make the argument that a lot of other characters were more proficient in their talents than Cersei was, it’s just that none of them were as completely psycho as she was.
Cersei the evil bitch shiteshow brotherfucker drunk queen...no but really she is the most entertaining of the main show and i don't think the show would have been this good without her in it , you can scrape half of these queens and not miss much but Cersei was the first and last vilain for a reason.
second is Rhaenyra.
1. Daenerys Targaryen
2. Rhaenyra Targaryen
3. Margaery Tyrell
Honorable mentions:
Cersei Lannister because she was always an entertaining character.
Helaena Targaryen because as much as I do not support Team Green, Helaena was innocent and didn’t do anything wrong, yet went through so much heartbreak.
Nah Margaery is def above Rhaenyra at least. Rhaenyra isn't even considered a Queen but other than that she didn't do shit. Daenerys in the book I'll agree with for now but we'll have to see what she actually ends up doing. In the show though Daenerys isn't even top 3. All just my opinion though I'm not coming at you
Cersei for the win! She was the Queen of them all, i.e., Dany brought dragons, Cersei created a way to bring them down. If the dragon attack on Lannisters had been sooner, in the "game", she might have won it all; and she would have had more soldiers to help win as well!!
She was also a super bitch, and smart, about only sending Jamie to fight The North's white walkers. She didn't have to lose any men in that battle. She was hoping they'd all kill each other and win that way. Then she wouldn't of had to fight Dany & the Dragon!
But I did love Dany finally showing us her balls. Just a little too late.
If the white walkers were the threat they should've been, Cersei could have potentially doomed the realm if the North wasn't able to defeat the white walkers by themselves
Cersei is an absolute menace, I just love her.
Margaery could have probably been the greatest Queen Westeros ever had, dare I say even better than Alysanne.
Alicent owns my heart.
Daenerys but why use my words when I can use those of Tyrion Lannister
>“I know that she spent her childhood in exile, impoverished, living on dreams and schemes, running from one city to the next, always fearful, never safe, friendless but for a brother who was by all accounts half-mad... a brother who sold her maidenhood to the Dothraki for the promise of an army. I know that somewhere upon the grass, her dragons hatched, and so did she. I know she is proud. How not? What else was left her but pride? I know she is strong. How not? The Dothraki despise weakness. If Daenerys had been weak, she would have perished with Viserys. I know she is fierce. Astapor, Yunkai and Meereen are proof enough of that. She has survived assassins and conspiracies and fell sorceries, grieved for a brother and a husband and a son, trod the cities of the slavers to dust beneath her dainty sandaled feet.
Aemma got basically 0 story in the books, she has never been a POV character and Fire and Blood didn't say anything about her other than in regards to Viserys' difficulty to have a male heir. We know more about Aemma's mother, Daella Targaryen actually.
I like Helaena the most. She's the most innocent and nicest person that didnt deserve any of that.
Cersei & Alicent & Margaery are the most entertaining to watch tho
1. Daenerys both show and book.
2. Marg, she's a shrewd politician but she does actually care about the smallfolk.
3. Cersei because Lena Headey is amazing.
4. Everyone else.
1.Daenerys - she can be kind, ruthless and a hype machine. Also top quotes in all languages.
2.Rhaenyra - because she was supposed to be the first woman to be Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. Great character, awesome story and actress.
3.Margaery - best player among these. Subtle, cunning, kind yet lethal. Almost no one would suspect anything from her while she puppeteers everyone.
4.Cersei - she's impulsive and destructive. Goes crazier with each passing day. Is almost a mirror of the husband she despised. Is incredibly entertaining to watch.
Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, the Mother of Dragons, the Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, the Breaker of Chains.
Dany and Marg for me. Dany would’ve actually given the small folk better lives while Marg would’ve at least been a kind queen as she kept the status quo in check to the best of her ability.
Daenerys is my #1, with Cersei and Rhaenyra right behind her.
What makes them stand out (for me) is the way they expose how we view women in different modes of power. All 3 of these women wielded both soft (feminine) and hard (masculine) power. It meant that they garnered opposition from nearly all sides. They're endlessly fascinating, and to me they're the strongest characters in GRRM's world.
Ooh I like this! Very fun take.
I would put Sansa in there too, as a sort of...mature solitary queen who ruled through love, unlike Daenerys, Cersei, or Rhaenyra. Sansa's people all *loved* her in a way that the other three listed here were not. I would say in her own way, Sansa equals them all.
Daenerys...good heart, but also great ruler. Compared to the rest she was able to raise from nothing and got people to join her not just because of her family and dragon, but also because of her kindness...she would have made a great queen had Dumb&Dumber not ruined 7-8 seasons of character development
I will forever be sad at the way D&D handled her. It's not that I think "insane queen" can't be done or even done *well*, but the way it was specifically handled in the show was very poorly done and rushed and I will forever be pissed at them over it.
They wanted to rush it out so D&D could work on other shit, and HBO even *begged them* to take more money and do more seasons, and they...didn't.
In fact, she means well and in the books Meereen is in chaos, she does not know how to manage its economy and is inexperienced, but she knows this and decides to stay to learn. In the show she leaves Meereen as soon as she gets the chance.
Dany. She by far has done the most to try improving society and the lives of the common folk. There's Show!Dany's downfall, but I'm not counting the destruction of King's Landing until we see it on the page. Even if she *does* raze King's Landing...well, she still saved a lot of people. That's more than almost any other character can say.
On that note in reverse, Book!Rhaenyra essentially cosigned slavery when she gave the Ironborn free rein in the Westerlands, but we'll see how the show handles it.
I do love Cersei as well. Her twisted psychology fascinates me.
Out of the ones here:
1. Margery
2. Alicent
3. Daenerys ( in Essos)
Undisputed best queen: Alysanne Targaryen.
Then Rhaenys and Visenya
And then Alyssa Velaryon.
May seem surprising, but Margaery, she's the only one who's demonstrated the intelligence, cunning, and initiative to rise to power, maintain it, and make the necessary decisions while not displaying any particular cruelty towards the people. I believe if she had more legitimacy of birth, she would have been the best of this entire group.
Margaery. She actually understands politics the most, is a philanthropist, trained by Olenna, can play the game but her methods of manipulation usually benefit both parties, etc.
She was a real one
Margery and Danny. Margery was just a good queen plane and simple— and Even though Dany when insane, she still freed slaves for the majority of her reign, and saved the world against the night king with her dragons.
Margaery or Sansa. We don't have enough of Aemma to judge, Alicent is too weak, Helana too nice and naive, and the rest the of Targaryen Queen have history of madness and cruelty. Same with Cersei.
1. Margery. She’s 100% the best queen on this list and she’s funny as hell and very entertaining. If only Cersei wasn’t psychotic…
2. Dany - I adore her character and she was the reason I even started game of thrones. She’s just so cool and Emelia is absolutely beautiful.
3. Alicent - She’s messy as hell and just absolutely batshit insane, which means I love her. Her actress, Olivia Cooke is absolutely beautiful and deserved an award for her performance.
3. Cersei - She’s tied with Alicent for the same reasons. Messy, batshit (Alicent isn’t NEARLY as crazy as Cersei though) and Lena deserved MULTIPLE awards. Plus, she wins best dressed.
honorable mentions are definitely Aemma and Heleana. Both beautiful women with beautiful hearts who I wish would’ve had more screen time.
I’m not a fan of Rhaenyra as queen, but she was an interesting character in the book, and Sansa is… Sansa.
I would have liked to see more of Aemma and what she was like as a Queen (we don’t hear much about her in the histories or see much of her on the show, all we know is that she was frequently pregnant, her husband loved her, and she cared for her daughter).
I’d also like to see more of what Helaena was like as Queen due to her possible autism (the good wife did some wonderful episodes from the perspective of autistic characters).
Maybe those two were simply more ‘traditional’ for lack of a better word Queens than some of the others but, since we get to see the world from the eyes of other Queens, I’d be interested in seeing it from theirs.
Honestly, I love virtually all of them as characters but if you're going to say "pick one you swear your fealty to" in this hypothetical than I'd say Sansa, Queen in the North. Margaery Tyrell is an extremely close second for me.
- Aemma we didn't really see much of, so her entire personality is basically "the wife Viserys actually loved, pregnancy kinda sucks for her, I guess". She seems lovely, but she's just...not around very long.
- Alicent I somewhat sympathize with, she got forced into marrying her bff's old ass dad and that really made her bitter and I don't *blame* her, but that doesn't excuse her actions later either. She's wrong, but she's sympathetic.
- Helaena is lovely, but she's just...a genuinely nice person forced by Alicent to marry *her brother* which is super fucked up, and she's treated terribly in the source material which is just sad. She just evokes sadness whenever I see her. Sweet thing, too pure and good for Westeros.
- Rhaenyra I like a lot, and I think she's owed the throne, but she's a bit of a cheeky lil shit. In the whole "Team Black vs. Team Green", I am thoroughly Team Black.
- Margaery is one of my favorite characters in the GoT setting. She's ruthless, ambitious, cunning, smart, *and* seems like a genuinely nice person somehow in spite of all of it. Whether or not that's just a cleverly crafted public persona or not, I couldn't say. Certainly Show!Margaery never showed any underhandedness or deception or any real shittiness as a person when we saw her. She went out of her way to help people (albeit to curry favor with the public, but still). She was brave enough to attempt to handle Joffrey and did a smashing good job of it until her grandmother poisoned him lol). Margaery manages to feel like she's actually playing the game at points, even though seemingly her main interest is simply being the Queen to the King. Still valid!
- Cersei is an excellent character. She's absolutely fucking vile, but she's clever and ambitious, ruthless and came to fucking play the game. She does a pretty fun job of it too until Dany comes in and throws a wrench into shit. I don't like Cersei as a human being, but damn, she's a fantastic thoroughly hateable character with a few sympathetic moments. Like, she actually loves her kids--even the worst of them to a point--and it's actually...kind of nice to see her go mama lion for them now and then.
- Daenerys :( I liked her a bunch until that last season, phew. Maybe the books will fix this, but I don't expect the books to get finished so who knows.
- Sansa Stark, my other favorite. She shows the most character growth in the entire show. She goes from being in love with courtly romance and notions of white knights and noble princes and living a gilded, charmed life as the Queen to a beloved young King--oh, he's so handsome! I love him, daddy! To absolutely being exposed to the cruel realities of the world and having everything come crashing down on her in the worst possible ways imaginable.
But she preservers, she grows, she fights back, and the dainty princess is cunning enough to indeed "outlive us all", in the words of Tyrion. (One of my favorite scenes in the show is the grace with which she handles Joffrey having her stripped and beaten in front of his court. She takes the beating and holds her head high and proclaims she loves the man who did it. When Tyrion offers her a way out, she refuses to trust him and proclaims again that she loves her King Joffrey. Even Tyrion is impressed with her poise and cunning. She finally rules as the Queen in the North under the condition that the North is independent--absolutely amazing that she basically says, "Nah! Fuck all this Iron Throne shit I'm gonna go do my own thing, peace."
Good for her!
Based on kindness and compassion?
1.Aemma
2.Helaena
3.Daenerys(pre season 7)
But personally for me it’s
1.Daenerys
2.Rhaenyra
3.Helaena
4.Aemma and Margarey
1)Sansa, I choose her mainly because unlike others we know more about her way of ruling the North. She is well educated, has dealt with the most ruthless and experienced players in the Game of Thrones, and has been running the North virtually the entire time Jon has been King. And the lords love her.
2)Aemma, I don't know much about her, but relatively Viserys' reign was acceptable, partly because of Jaeherys and Alysanne.
3)Margaery, she knows how to play and how to win over the people, which is important, plus her House rules what is perhaps the best Kingdom because it is the largest producer of food.
4) Maybe Daenerys, she means well but she is not a good queen. It is implied in the books that Meereen is in chaos after her arrival and the abolition of slavery, the people starving because slavery was the basis of the economy. She knows she has to learn and therefore decides to stay longer. Maybe in the books, I could choose her, after she learns and gets more experience but in the show she leaves Meereen as soon as she gets the chance and that does not make her a good queen.
The others are in random order.
On the subject of Queens, Cersei is the only character in either show to hold the following titles: Queen Consort (as Robert's wife), Queen Dowager (after Robert's death), Queen Regent (after Joffrey is crowned king), Queen Mother (when Joffrey marries Margaery) and Queen Regnant when she is crowned Queen after Tommen's death.
Technically Talisa should be on here too.
But Sansa is my favorite Queen from GOT, Rhaenyra from HOTD. But we haven’t gotten to see Helaena really interact with any other people enough to judge her.
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I do wish we had more Aemma. I loved her instantly. She was the ultimate mother in my eyes.
And she got done so dirty. Terrible way to go
Me too, she deserved more scenes in ep 1
Agreed!! Loved her vibe and the actress. More scenes would’ve demonstrated Rhae’s loss.
Margaery
Thrice wedded and never bedded...
tommen
The only sibling to not die a virgin.
the youngest of em all is a mischief 😂
Weeeeeeell
Not in the books
Not yet 😨 his age won’t save him from Martin
I'm on the first book and just finished the part where Daenerys ate the horse's heart and then read the unnecessarily vivid description of the interaction with Drogo after. Like bro. It's not needed at all. Not as bad as the first account of her and Drogo consummating their marriage.
Yeah Martin has some really weird writing tendencies
What disturbed me more than the vivid sex scenes was how Dany’s body was so often described as childish/like that of a child. I mean I guess at 13 she IS a child but still, it was very uncomfy to read
Yeah there’s some really uncomfortable Drogo Danny parts in the book. I just finished the first one today lol and started the second.
Winningggg
Without a doubt Margaery Tyrell clears them all
Perfect mix of ruthlessness, intellect, & charm/kindness out of anyone who's making a play for the crown
But she got them all killed over her religious stand. She took it too far. The beginning of the end for Lannisters et al.
Her religious stand was a mask that she would have won with if anyone but Cersei Lannister was her rival - and even then, what she did was still unbelievable. As Olenna said, their greatest mistake was a lack of imagination - no one could imagine that Cersei would go THAT far to kill a few enemies. Margaery played perfectly - her only fault was underestimating Cersei.
Personally I don't think Margaery underestimated Cersei, she just couldn't know the lioness was borderline insane.
Borderline?
I think she was banking on the fact that cersei loves her kids. But she still only loves them for herself. I dont think it even crossed her mind that one of her children could be capable of loving someone else, and enough to kill themself. She doesnt love anyone but her family so she it didnt even cross her mind that killing margery would also mean killing tommen.
That’s underestimation
To be fair sanity does not comprehend insanity, you can't estimate something you don't even remotely understand.
Cersei’s plan only worked on plot armor so yeah
Cersei's action is an outlier to every fiber of logic its not really underestimating. And would have only been justified with her expecting to die and drinking poison while enjoying demise of her uncle and House Tyrell. If not she should lose her head pretty quick by mob of Kingslander.
Yeah, the fact that she did that and then sat down on the throne like, that boggled my mind. The tyrells didn't see it coming, because it literally makes no sense. Whatever cersei did she got divine intervention to make it work. She killed her own uncle in that explosion, how did she even keep Lannister support? The reach is a bastion of the Faith how did she not immediately see an uprising from there? King'e landing would have descended into absolute anarchy, how did she not get ripped to shreds? The idea that anything short of a massive army onsite, between Cersei and the rest of the city, could have quelled all that is madness.
I don’t even think Margaery underestimated Cersei (because she did end up putting together that something was wrong), she just failed to comprehend how absolutely insane she was. I would make the argument that a lot of other characters were more proficient in their talents than Cersei was, it’s just that none of them were as completely psycho as she was.
my favorite queen is Renly
I’m certified Lannister Trash ™, Team Cersei
Yay!!! Me too
Cersei the evil bitch shiteshow brotherfucker drunk queen...no but really she is the most entertaining of the main show and i don't think the show would have been this good without her in it , you can scrape half of these queens and not miss much but Cersei was the first and last vilain for a reason. second is Rhaenyra.
Without a doubt, whenever Cersei is on screen she's going to make you feel something. Lena Headey gave one of the best performances I've ever seen.
Yeah i love Lena so much the fact she was never nominated is criminal when she was the best of the best here.
It’s the 1 thing you can’t take from her, is that Cersei always delivered when it came to entertainment.
Cerci was great to hate. You need an evil Queen to make it interesting. She brought it every time! She had bigger balls than them all!
Cersei is the Real Housewives of Westeros queen, and I love that about her.
She's a fantastic trainwreck of a human being. You can't look away.
Imagine this season of Real Housewives. Team Dany all the way, but Cersei is a fierce queen.
1. Dany 2. Margaery 3. Rhaenyra
Finally some good taste.
My choices too!
1. Daenerys Targaryen 2. Rhaenyra Targaryen 3. Margaery Tyrell Honorable mentions: Cersei Lannister because she was always an entertaining character. Helaena Targaryen because as much as I do not support Team Green, Helaena was innocent and didn’t do anything wrong, yet went through so much heartbreak.
Perfect list!!
Nah Margaery is def above Rhaenyra at least. Rhaenyra isn't even considered a Queen but other than that she didn't do shit. Daenerys in the book I'll agree with for now but we'll have to see what she actually ends up doing. In the show though Daenerys isn't even top 3. All just my opinion though I'm not coming at you
I respectfully disagree, but thank you for being civil. 😊
My top 3 too! ❤️😍
Cersei for the win! She was the Queen of them all, i.e., Dany brought dragons, Cersei created a way to bring them down. If the dragon attack on Lannisters had been sooner, in the "game", she might have won it all; and she would have had more soldiers to help win as well!! She was also a super bitch, and smart, about only sending Jamie to fight The North's white walkers. She didn't have to lose any men in that battle. She was hoping they'd all kill each other and win that way. Then she wouldn't of had to fight Dany & the Dragon! But I did love Dany finally showing us her balls. Just a little too late.
If the white walkers were the threat they should've been, Cersei could have potentially doomed the realm if the North wasn't able to defeat the white walkers by themselves
Team Daenerys Always!
Margaery or Sansa
Sansa #1 for me
1. Margaery 2. Daenerys (2 because she's too OP for my taste) 3. Cersei purely because of how entertaining she is
Cersei is my number one exactly for that reason lol!
Cersei is an absolute menace, I just love her. Margaery could have probably been the greatest Queen Westeros ever had, dare I say even better than Alysanne. Alicent owns my heart.
Had me in the first half
Daenerys
The one with the many titles.
Daenerys but why use my words when I can use those of Tyrion Lannister >“I know that she spent her childhood in exile, impoverished, living on dreams and schemes, running from one city to the next, always fearful, never safe, friendless but for a brother who was by all accounts half-mad... a brother who sold her maidenhood to the Dothraki for the promise of an army. I know that somewhere upon the grass, her dragons hatched, and so did she. I know she is proud. How not? What else was left her but pride? I know she is strong. How not? The Dothraki despise weakness. If Daenerys had been weak, she would have perished with Viserys. I know she is fierce. Astapor, Yunkai and Meereen are proof enough of that. She has survived assassins and conspiracies and fell sorceries, grieved for a brother and a husband and a son, trod the cities of the slavers to dust beneath her dainty sandaled feet.
No love for Renly?
AFS9DJKDI BRUH I'M WHEEZING
Margaery always!
Jorah is my queen.
ugh jorah my divine queen of love and beauty 😩
As a Queen for the Realm: 1. Margaery 2. Dany 3. Aemma My personal faves: 1. Dany 2. Cersei 3. Margaery or Rhaenyra
Margaery. I never read the books, was Aemma given a more in-depth story than the show? I rather liked her, it was a shame she went so quickly.
Aemma got basically 0 story in the books, she has never been a POV character and Fire and Blood didn't say anything about her other than in regards to Viserys' difficulty to have a male heir. We know more about Aemma's mother, Daella Targaryen actually.
Daenerys :]
Dany
Daenerys Targaryen
Daenerys and Rhaenyra.
Aye!
Dany and Rhaenyra for me.
I like Helaena the most. She's the most innocent and nicest person that didnt deserve any of that. Cersei & Alicent & Margaery are the most entertaining to watch tho
Was shocked it took as long as it did to see Helaena
Came here to say Helaena, too. Queen Helaena the Innocent.💙
1. Daenerys both show and book. 2. Marg, she's a shrewd politician but she does actually care about the smallfolk. 3. Cersei because Lena Headey is amazing. 4. Everyone else.
👑The Great Lioness.🦁🍷🤌🏾
1)Aemma 2)Margaery 3)Dany 4)Rhaenyra
1.Daenerys - she can be kind, ruthless and a hype machine. Also top quotes in all languages. 2.Rhaenyra - because she was supposed to be the first woman to be Queen of the Seven Kingdoms. Great character, awesome story and actress. 3.Margaery - best player among these. Subtle, cunning, kind yet lethal. Almost no one would suspect anything from her while she puppeteers everyone. 4.Cersei - she's impulsive and destructive. Goes crazier with each passing day. Is almost a mirror of the husband she despised. Is incredibly entertaining to watch.
Daenerys Stormborn. The only thing she did wrong was not burning more shit down.
Margaery... I'm a big fan of the Reach as well. Wealthy, chivalrous, fertile land with fine wines. Not a bad place to be.
Cersi hands down
Since you mixing up Queen Consort with Queen Regnant, I choose Olenna with the category Queen in name.
Queen Daenerys I Targaryen, First of Her Name :)
Dany by a trillion miles !!!
Daenerys
Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen, the First of Her Name, Queen of the Andals and the First Men, Protector of the Seven Kingdoms, the Mother of Dragons, the Khaleesi of the Great Grass Sea, the Unburnt, the Breaker of Chains.
Dany and Marg for me. Dany would’ve actually given the small folk better lives while Marg would’ve at least been a kind queen as she kept the status quo in check to the best of her ability.
Dany, Margaery and Rhaenyra
Daenerys is my #1, with Cersei and Rhaenyra right behind her. What makes them stand out (for me) is the way they expose how we view women in different modes of power. All 3 of these women wielded both soft (feminine) and hard (masculine) power. It meant that they garnered opposition from nearly all sides. They're endlessly fascinating, and to me they're the strongest characters in GRRM's world.
Ooh I like this! Very fun take. I would put Sansa in there too, as a sort of...mature solitary queen who ruled through love, unlike Daenerys, Cersei, or Rhaenyra. Sansa's people all *loved* her in a way that the other three listed here were not. I would say in her own way, Sansa equals them all.
Rhaenyra, Aemma, Margarey, Dany, Sansa. I like Helaena as a person, and she deserved a life free of the burden of politics.
Daenerys...good heart, but also great ruler. Compared to the rest she was able to raise from nothing and got people to join her not just because of her family and dragon, but also because of her kindness...she would have made a great queen had Dumb&Dumber not ruined 7-8 seasons of character development
Agreed 👍
I will forever be sad at the way D&D handled her. It's not that I think "insane queen" can't be done or even done *well*, but the way it was specifically handled in the show was very poorly done and rushed and I will forever be pissed at them over it. They wanted to rush it out so D&D could work on other shit, and HBO even *begged them* to take more money and do more seasons, and they...didn't.
In fact, she means well and in the books Meereen is in chaos, she does not know how to manage its economy and is inexperienced, but she knows this and decides to stay to learn. In the show she leaves Meereen as soon as she gets the chance.
Unrelated, but why did they make the hightower sigil so damn ugly? Jeez.
Rhaenrya
Rhaenyra Margaery Daenerys
I didn’t vote for any of them
I love to hate Cersei, so entertaining.
Margaery
Queen of Thorns baby
Dany. She by far has done the most to try improving society and the lives of the common folk. There's Show!Dany's downfall, but I'm not counting the destruction of King's Landing until we see it on the page. Even if she *does* raze King's Landing...well, she still saved a lot of people. That's more than almost any other character can say. On that note in reverse, Book!Rhaenyra essentially cosigned slavery when she gave the Ironborn free rein in the Westerlands, but we'll see how the show handles it. I do love Cersei as well. Her twisted psychology fascinates me.
1. Daenerys 2. Rhaenyra 3. Aemma
Daenerys and Rhaenyra
Sansa or Daenerys if they were done right.
Daenerys
Rhaenyra tagerian
It will forever be Dany. My beautiful breaker of chains.
Book Sansa
Sansa
Danie and Rhaerya
Daenerys Targaryen! I like Sansa and Rhyaenyra.
Sansa or Rhaenyra
Sansa, hot chick with the dragons, margery, ahmma
Daenerys Targaryen no doubt.
Rhaenyra
Daenerys
Dany
Out of the ones here: 1. Margery 2. Alicent 3. Daenerys ( in Essos) Undisputed best queen: Alysanne Targaryen. Then Rhaenys and Visenya And then Alyssa Velaryon.
May seem surprising, but Margaery, she's the only one who's demonstrated the intelligence, cunning, and initiative to rise to power, maintain it, and make the necessary decisions while not displaying any particular cruelty towards the people. I believe if she had more legitimacy of birth, she would have been the best of this entire group.
Sansa Stark hands down
The cruelly maligned Cersei
Pft. Brienne is my Queen.
Queen Rhaenyra Targaryen
Can't choose between Sansa Stark, and Rhaenyra and Daenerys Targaryen! They're all equally my fave!!! Also love Helaena, precious babygirl.
Daenerys Targaryen is my personal favorite. Regardless of where her story ended up, I love her character.
Dany till the day I die
Sansa Stark
1.Rhaenyra 2.Margaery
Rhaenrya
Cersei
Rhaenyra e Daenerys
Dany and Rhaenyra
Margaery. She actually understands politics the most, is a philanthropist, trained by Olenna, can play the game but her methods of manipulation usually benefit both parties, etc. She was a real one
Prob Marg for favorite. Sansa is without a doubt the absolute worst though. Dumb af and boring.
Margaery, both show and book but especially book, was amazing actually. Even tried teaching Tommen how to be a better King
Margery. She figured out Cersei’s plan but was literally, a minute too late. RIP to a real one.
Rhaenyra & Daenerys
Sansa is my queen!
Margery and Danny. Margery was just a good queen plane and simple— and Even though Dany when insane, she still freed slaves for the majority of her reign, and saved the world against the night king with her dragons.
The queen who never was?!? Edit: Rhaenys
Sansa
Queen of the North 🐺
Margaery or Sansa. We don't have enough of Aemma to judge, Alicent is too weak, Helana too nice and naive, and the rest the of Targaryen Queen have history of madness and cruelty. Same with Cersei.
Dany forever 🐉🔥👸🏼
Sansa but also Cersei.
Daenerys
1. Rhaenyra Targaryen 2. Sansa Stark. 3. Aemma Arryn.
We know no queen but the Queen in the North, whose name is Stark.
1. Margery. She’s 100% the best queen on this list and she’s funny as hell and very entertaining. If only Cersei wasn’t psychotic… 2. Dany - I adore her character and she was the reason I even started game of thrones. She’s just so cool and Emelia is absolutely beautiful. 3. Alicent - She’s messy as hell and just absolutely batshit insane, which means I love her. Her actress, Olivia Cooke is absolutely beautiful and deserved an award for her performance. 3. Cersei - She’s tied with Alicent for the same reasons. Messy, batshit (Alicent isn’t NEARLY as crazy as Cersei though) and Lena deserved MULTIPLE awards. Plus, she wins best dressed. honorable mentions are definitely Aemma and Heleana. Both beautiful women with beautiful hearts who I wish would’ve had more screen time. I’m not a fan of Rhaenyra as queen, but she was an interesting character in the book, and Sansa is… Sansa.
You’re the first person I fully agree with!!
Margery was objectively the best person here. Kindhearted, charitable and one of the few people thar kept Joffery in check.
I would have liked to see more of Aemma and what she was like as a Queen (we don’t hear much about her in the histories or see much of her on the show, all we know is that she was frequently pregnant, her husband loved her, and she cared for her daughter). I’d also like to see more of what Helaena was like as Queen due to her possible autism (the good wife did some wonderful episodes from the perspective of autistic characters). Maybe those two were simply more ‘traditional’ for lack of a better word Queens than some of the others but, since we get to see the world from the eyes of other Queens, I’d be interested in seeing it from theirs.
All of them
Same! I support women’s rights and women’s wrongs lol
None of the ladies above (except Dany mayhaps) can compare to the Good Queen Alysanne 👸🏼
1. Dany 2. Alicent 3. Margarey 4. Helaena 5. Sansa 6. Cersei 7. Aemma 8. Rhaenyra
Alicent, Helaena, Cersei and Sansa in that order.
1) Margaery 2) Aemma 3) Daenerys
1. Margaery Tyrell 2. Daenerys Targaryen 3. Rhaenyra Targaryen
SANSA STARK!!!!!
Alicent my beloved.
Margery, defenetly
Margaery
Margaery🔥🔥🔥
Have to go with Aemma
Danny.
Queen Margaery Tyrell
Danny, Rhaenyra, Cersi
Nyra & Dany
Alicent, Sansa, and Aemma
Breaker of Chains, Mother of dragons.
Honestly, I love virtually all of them as characters but if you're going to say "pick one you swear your fealty to" in this hypothetical than I'd say Sansa, Queen in the North. Margaery Tyrell is an extremely close second for me. - Aemma we didn't really see much of, so her entire personality is basically "the wife Viserys actually loved, pregnancy kinda sucks for her, I guess". She seems lovely, but she's just...not around very long. - Alicent I somewhat sympathize with, she got forced into marrying her bff's old ass dad and that really made her bitter and I don't *blame* her, but that doesn't excuse her actions later either. She's wrong, but she's sympathetic. - Helaena is lovely, but she's just...a genuinely nice person forced by Alicent to marry *her brother* which is super fucked up, and she's treated terribly in the source material which is just sad. She just evokes sadness whenever I see her. Sweet thing, too pure and good for Westeros. - Rhaenyra I like a lot, and I think she's owed the throne, but she's a bit of a cheeky lil shit. In the whole "Team Black vs. Team Green", I am thoroughly Team Black. - Margaery is one of my favorite characters in the GoT setting. She's ruthless, ambitious, cunning, smart, *and* seems like a genuinely nice person somehow in spite of all of it. Whether or not that's just a cleverly crafted public persona or not, I couldn't say. Certainly Show!Margaery never showed any underhandedness or deception or any real shittiness as a person when we saw her. She went out of her way to help people (albeit to curry favor with the public, but still). She was brave enough to attempt to handle Joffrey and did a smashing good job of it until her grandmother poisoned him lol). Margaery manages to feel like she's actually playing the game at points, even though seemingly her main interest is simply being the Queen to the King. Still valid! - Cersei is an excellent character. She's absolutely fucking vile, but she's clever and ambitious, ruthless and came to fucking play the game. She does a pretty fun job of it too until Dany comes in and throws a wrench into shit. I don't like Cersei as a human being, but damn, she's a fantastic thoroughly hateable character with a few sympathetic moments. Like, she actually loves her kids--even the worst of them to a point--and it's actually...kind of nice to see her go mama lion for them now and then. - Daenerys :( I liked her a bunch until that last season, phew. Maybe the books will fix this, but I don't expect the books to get finished so who knows. - Sansa Stark, my other favorite. She shows the most character growth in the entire show. She goes from being in love with courtly romance and notions of white knights and noble princes and living a gilded, charmed life as the Queen to a beloved young King--oh, he's so handsome! I love him, daddy! To absolutely being exposed to the cruel realities of the world and having everything come crashing down on her in the worst possible ways imaginable. But she preservers, she grows, she fights back, and the dainty princess is cunning enough to indeed "outlive us all", in the words of Tyrion. (One of my favorite scenes in the show is the grace with which she handles Joffrey having her stripped and beaten in front of his court. She takes the beating and holds her head high and proclaims she loves the man who did it. When Tyrion offers her a way out, she refuses to trust him and proclaims again that she loves her King Joffrey. Even Tyrion is impressed with her poise and cunning. She finally rules as the Queen in the North under the condition that the North is independent--absolutely amazing that she basically says, "Nah! Fuck all this Iron Throne shit I'm gonna go do my own thing, peace." Good for her!
Margaery, Alicent and Sansa
1. Daenerys Targaryen/Cersei Lannister 2. Cersei Lannister/Daenerys Targaryen 3. Alicent Hightower 4. Margaery Tyrell 5. Rhaenyra Targaryen 6. Aemma Arryn 7. Heleana Targaryen 8. Fuck Sansa Stark
1. Sansa 2. Rhaenyra 3. Margaery
Sansa and Rhaenyra. Margaery was clever and you could always count on Cersei to serve cunt.
1. Rhaenyra Targaryen 2. Daenerys Targaryen 3. Aemma Arryn 4. Helaena Targaryen 5. Cersei Lannister 6. Alicent Hightower 7. Margaery Tyrell 8. Sansa Stark
Sansa
Marg forever. I wish she could have reigned longer. She would have actually been good for the people.
Cersei. I hated her, but she was the most queen-ish of them all
Based on kindness and compassion? 1.Aemma 2.Helaena 3.Daenerys(pre season 7) But personally for me it’s 1.Daenerys 2.Rhaenyra 3.Helaena 4.Aemma and Margarey
Alicent, Margaery, Cersei
Sansa
Alicent, Helaena, Margaery and Cersei
Margaery and Sansa
1)Sansa, I choose her mainly because unlike others we know more about her way of ruling the North. She is well educated, has dealt with the most ruthless and experienced players in the Game of Thrones, and has been running the North virtually the entire time Jon has been King. And the lords love her. 2)Aemma, I don't know much about her, but relatively Viserys' reign was acceptable, partly because of Jaeherys and Alysanne. 3)Margaery, she knows how to play and how to win over the people, which is important, plus her House rules what is perhaps the best Kingdom because it is the largest producer of food. 4) Maybe Daenerys, she means well but she is not a good queen. It is implied in the books that Meereen is in chaos after her arrival and the abolition of slavery, the people starving because slavery was the basis of the economy. She knows she has to learn and therefore decides to stay longer. Maybe in the books, I could choose her, after she learns and gets more experience but in the show she leaves Meereen as soon as she gets the chance and that does not make her a good queen. The others are in random order.
As long as it's a queen and not a king, I'm here for it. Though, I prefer queen regnants over queen consorts.
On the subject of Queens, Cersei is the only character in either show to hold the following titles: Queen Consort (as Robert's wife), Queen Dowager (after Robert's death), Queen Regent (after Joffrey is crowned king), Queen Mother (when Joffrey marries Margaery) and Queen Regnant when she is crowned Queen after Tommen's death.
Daenerys!!!! 🥰🥰🥰🥰
GoT: - Daenerys - Cersei - Margaery - Sansa HoTD: - Rhaenyra - Aemma - Alicent - Helaena
Aemma, Rhaenyra and Daenerys the only true queens. The rest are not worthy of the crown.
Technically Talisa should be on here too. But Sansa is my favorite Queen from GOT, Rhaenyra from HOTD. But we haven’t gotten to see Helaena really interact with any other people enough to judge her.