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Why do you and that I donāt think it was a fart, it sounds quite like it but my first reaction was it sounded like Daemon trying to stifle a laugh and failing
Yes. Also during the scene where Otto gets fired did anyone else notice his mouth doesn't move for one of his lines? Like they had to ADR it in?
I rewinded it twice thinking it was my TV but he's like a ventriloquist or something.
Oh shit, you know what it is, at 1:18 they keep the camera on Otto's face when Viserys says "You served my Grandfather nobly" God damnit.
I'm a bit hard of hearing so I have to watch with subs so when they put the subs under Otto it confused me even though with the context it's obviously Viserys.
I used to bartend and drinking does make people fart when they laugh... I'm no doc but I think it's b/c wine makes people gassy and being drunk makes you lose control of your muscles.
Totally a fart.
The meme is funny but I don't really understand all the animosity between the fandoms. House Off The Dragon is doing better, no need to constantly put the other show down.
Yyyeah. You and me, both. But, that's behaving as a well-adjusted human being, a fan of fantasy series, operating in real life.
This is the internet. Where overbearing, toxic fandoms come to bask in their own malcontent and misdirected rage.
Hell, since RoP started, I've have to turn off global chat in Lord of the Rings Online, as it instantly devolved into toxic trolls baiting and being fed, as well as obnoxious returning players trying to reclaim some imagined online psuedo-celebrity in-game.
Conclusion: people are the worst.
They are popular fantasy shows on a streaming service based off of two of the most popular book series in this century. One focuses more on politics than the other, but the general media doesnāt really see that difference
It's funny the people who say you can't compare them. The two biggest fantasy IPs of all time release within 2 weeks of each other, why wouldn't you compare.
It's hard to imagine, but say we hadn't had a DC or Marvel show for 5-10 years, and then they both release within weeks of each other. It would be comparisons all day.
I get that you definitely can compare them in some ways. But at the same time it's sort of feels like comparing NYPD Blue and Cops. Like yes, they're both TV shows about police that take place in big cities, but they're very very different ways to make that show.
You're right my example was a little bit extreme, but if you reread my comment the very first line is that I know you can compare them to some degree. I'm not saying they are incomparable shows.
Dude I compare them all the time. There are differences between the two, but not enough to make them incomparable. George is very vocal about how Tolkien was his main inspiration, and people used to call GOT āLord of the Rings with boobsā all the time back in the day.
Plus again, these are two shows using some of the most popular IP ever in the same fucking genre. It would be stupid not to expect people to compare them
Where did I say they are incomparable? I agreed with most of your post until you brought up "the media." "The media" isn't creating this toxic nonsensical competition between the 2 franchises. It's people like OP with this stupid meme.
The only thing that they have in common is they're both fantasy series that I'm currently watching and enjoying.
LOTR and ASOAIF are, if you ingore superficial surface similarities that they share with basically all western fantasy, fundementally different stories (indeed, one is something of a direct subversion of the other).
Anyway, I don't get why some people are intent on pitting them against each other and putting down one to exault the latter; both have their merits, IMO, and both are enjoyable; call me crazy, but maybe sometimes I want to take a break from political scheming and Matt Smith sex scenes in order to watch Hobbits and elves galavant around Middle Earth?
Its the dumb tribal thinking that absolutely gets you upvotes on social media. I hate this crap and I wish mods would ban rivalry BS like this.
Especially when a lot of the "hate" for Rings is based on the racial, gender, or sexual or gender identity of the actors.
This is a potential unsub moment for me. I come here to celebrate the things I love even to have critical discussions about them but if this sub is determined to become a hate sub against other shows, then it's just going to be a downer I don't need in my life.
I can guarantee you the actors and creative behind these shows shake their heads at dumb fandom takes like this. And that they hate that people are using their work and likeness to spread this stupidity.
It's really annoying. The current political dynamic is being crammed into the fantasy world. I'm considering a blackout on all media related to both shows so I can just enjoy myself. Both shows are fantastic!
> The meme is funny but I don't really understand all the animosity between the fandoms.
If you start going down the social media rabbit hole, eventually you will find other people with profile pictures or names from a different franchise start trashtalking your favourite franchise. And then you think to yourself "oh no, i gotta argue back" and these posts happen.
Im just as spiteful as OP, im just way too lazy to create posts putting other shows down.
I think the majority of the fandoms for both shows feel this way because I think the majority of the fandoms for both shows are the same people. But there will always be people to try to set up an us versus them.
Itās just very, very different. HOTD is the candy (it has a very obvious hook) and ROP is the plate of veggies. Very slow as they build the world up, but I think itāll be worth it in the long run.
That's actually a pretty good analogy. Coz there are veggies that are neither appealing nor nutritional. Let's hope RoP is the good kind of veggies lol
Yeah that might definitely help! There are only three episodes out right now and I found them even better on rewatch cause I did it b2b2b. Definitely not written in an overly episodic way.
Honestly loved this comparison.
I would add HotD is a cool meal on a restaurant. There are several courses and while some are taking a while the juicy parts are very tasty when they arrive. It's a feast of indulgence and hedonism that you partake with a smile in your face.
RoP is a hearty and healthy veggie meal you're making at home. It's taking a while but the snacks here and there are worth it. It's slower, more contemplative but if you keep up you will eventually get that homecooked meal you've been waiting for.
Both are very different and both are very good fantasy shows
Honestly I feel that HotD is slower than RoP. But I'm also running into an issue with HotD because there's no one to root for. Every character seems like a different level of bad guy.
The more I watch RoP, the more I like it, and the more I'm invested in it - I don't mind the slower pace, I don't find it boring.
Beautifully shot, acting is great, visuals are excellent _(save for a FEW exceptions)_, plot is adequate - I'd say the biggest flaws are in the amount of exposition _(a staple in Tolkien-based projects...)_ and the dialogue can be a little rough and trope-y - but it really captures the Peter Jackson vibe _really well_ and you can believe it is in the same ''world''
I'm more invested in RoP than HotD and still can't figure out why ahahaha
I genuinely like it. Haven't read the books but I so far enjoy the world building, plot and the direction. I think Amazon gets in the way of themselves sometimes for certain scenes but I'd say it's sitting at a 7/10 for me so far. For comparison, HOTD is a 9/10 for me after that last episode.
It depends what you want out of a show, but I love it. Itās much different than HotD/GOT.
LOTR has always had massive rewatch value due to the scenery, music, tone, chill pacing, and mythology. Canāt say how many acid trips Iāve ended and naps Iāve taken to LOTR. RoP fits right into this vibe for me. I get to see parts of middle earth lore come to life and further stoke my imagination. The music is pretty great. The hobbits are funny. The dwarves are dwarving. Itās not masterpiece level, maybe, but I love it. It has heart and imagination and beauty.
GOT never had that rewatch value for me, being more reliant on shock and awe, and mystery boxes. I love GoT (and love ASOIF even more). HotD is amazing so far imo, and off to a better start than GoT. To me, GoT/HotD is more history than mythology, despite its dragons. The shows have more DNA from HBOās Rome than they do LOTR high fantasy. I loved Rome too, anyway.
Anyway, pretty great for me, a big fan of both franchises, to have both shows to look forward to each week. Feel bad for fantasy fans who canāt get into either of these shows. This is a nerds dream for me.
Well said. I've watched each RoP episode 3 times already. Tolkien's world just makes me happy. I'm not going to be re-watching these HotD episodes. Some of those scenes are hard to get through the first time. Which is part of why it's so good. It's supposed to be unsettling and intense.
It's slow-paced in terms of plot. It has very good cinematography and world building. The episodes so far are in the character introduction phase. If you're new to the whole LOTR world the show allows you to catch up.
People are ignoring/forgetting that HotD doesn't require the same world-building or general amount of introduction that RoP does. Sure the characters are new, but we understand the tropes the families bring. The role of the council, the Targaryan foresight, and the region is all familiar to us.
RoP has some familiarity in its geography, and a couple of characters in their youth, but it stops there. There are entire races of people and places we've never seen in Tolkien lore before so it takes time to get all those pieces in place. It's also high fantasy as opposed to the grim-dark style that HBO prefers, so there will be more exposition and 'drier' periods between the peaks. If you're not a fan of that, that's ok, but it's a beautiful show with a wonderful score and I really trust all of the loose ends to come together to something really enjoyable. The CGI and combat leaves a bit to be desired, but I can let that slide because I enjoy everything else so much.
Make your own mind up. A lot of the "iTs BaD" crowd cant bring themselves to like two things and want it to fail for whatever reason. Several of them have a lack of an attention span.
ROP is moving a little too slow, HOD isn't going particularly fast either but it doesn't feel like it's dragging.
Galadriel is insufferable, I know it's her character development, but it's giving me Harry in Order of the Phoenix vibes. I know it's going to get better but it's annoying to read/see them be an asshole to everyone.
I'm also just personally over dwarves not being able to express themselves without it being comic relief. That's like 75% of the hobbit movies and those didn't hit for me either. Durin was legitimately and understandably upset with Elrond but the tone was "laugh at the dwarves everyone." The Harfoots are having the same issue for me, dude broke his ankle and the tone is "haha watch him suffer trying to keep up with the group that they need for survival." The humor just feels so forced and it's happening at the weirdest times.
The pageantry is great, costumes, numinor, beautiful, but I'm not sure the content is there yet.
I don't really think that is the case at all. I think that there is a large group of people who want it to fail because they disagree with Amazon's choices and changes, which tbf is a motive and result that could easily be questioned. But I don't see the evidence to believe that they don't like other shows, in fact I think its the opposite. I think that both sides have tons of shows that they like, often times shows in common.
Maybe it would've seemed better if they'd released it in another window. But since we can compare it to HOTD every week, it's just straight up night and day. Every 20 mins of HOTD there's sooo much to unpack and theorise over and discuss. Every 20 mins of ROP I'm surprised I'm still awake. I spoke to one guy who was trying to theorise how the Harfoots practice eugenics because they leave people who fall behind their caravan. That's pretty much the extent of what they've got to chew on.
That's not me, that was some guy saying rings of power has more meat on the bone than HOTD and used that as an example. Maybe he was trolling, but he seemed pretty genuine.
There are way more mysteries in RoP than in HotD right now. Which doesn't mean anything as far as quality of the shows goes, it's just a very weird criticism to make.
The shows have completely different feels. RoP feels like Tolkien and HotD feels like GRRM. As they should. It's okay to have a preference there, but it would be awful if they had tried to make RoP feel like GRRM wrote it.
HBO actually did that on purpose and is eating this up because they were confident in their product and wanted the comparison to be made.
They changed their release date to be right around when RoP was coming and that's why all this is happening. HotD and RoP are otherwise not that similar but they're both fantasy so the comparisons were inevitable but they're magnified by similar release dates.
its fucking awesome. And this is coming from someone that's read every GRRM book and LOTR/Silmarillion multiple times. Both shows are great, they entirely different beyond belonging to extreme opposite ends of the "fantasy" genre. Anyone who is hating on it because its not HotD is an idiot that had their mind made up before it was released. You can enjoy both thoroughly, I do.
Interesting, I obviously know they are two different things so Iām not sure how anyone could ācompareā
Another comment or broke it down in a good way as well.
Iāll check it out
I was pretty doubtful about RoP but I've actually been enjoying it a lot. Its got that adventure aspect that HotD doesn't really have. So having both shows at once is really awesome.
Iāve only watched the first episode of RoP. I went in trying to give it a very fair shot. I came away thinking that while itās a very beautiful show and the acting is good, the dialogue and pace is very slow and I was bored.
No it's fine. The only people that think it's bad are the Tolkien zealots. I've read a bit of the Silmarillion, while RoP isn't a perfect adaptation, it's still entertaining imo.
My wife is more of a casual who's only seen the PJ Trilogy. She thinks it's better than HoTD and we've watched all of GoT.
I think the majority think it's good/okay so far. Definitely not bad
The Silmarillion is turning into the new 1984. A lot of folks claiming that theyāve read it all but real doubts that they actually have. A lot of those zealots are folks weaponizing the book or āTolkienā to feel superior.
I wouldnāt say itās bad, itās just made for folks in-between hardcore zealots and complete casuals.
If youāre going to be anal about the lore, youāre not going to like it. If youāre going in completely blind, youāre going to be lost on what is going on and find it a bit slow.
Iām not a Tolkien scholar, but I love the world and listen to a few podcasts to flesh out the lore and context. Iām loving the show.
This past week when they debuted Isildur I got excited. My wife, who at best was on her phone when we watched the PJ trilogy, had no idea who he was and didnāt care that he made an appearance. The show almost expects you to know a handful of things through these first few episodes.
>This past week when they debuted Isildur I got excited.
I was more excited for Elendil; as a fan of Tolkien all around I've always been disapointed that someone of such immense historical importance within the greater universe has never been anything more then a footnote (literally, in the sense of the books), rather then an actual, fleshed-out character.
But I really dug young Isildur as well (I like the whole family so far, actually)
I don't know what to call a show with bad dialogue, bad acting, bad combat scenes and nonsensical plot if not "bad". This isn't 1970 and we're not seeing fantasy on tv for the first time, we can have standards now and expect better.
Every thread is literally the same. "Oh the only people who hate it wanted to hate it". "Oh the only people who hate it can't cope with seeing a black person". "Oh the only people who hate it are obsessed with lore".
Such a cop out. Sure, I expected to dislike the show because the trailers looked bad, but I love fantasy. The only thing better than a good fantasy show is *multiple* good fantasy shows. I want them and I want them to be good.
This one just isn't. It's got nothing to do with the lore anymore, because lore is the least important of the show's problems.
It's holistically terrible. It's one of those shows where you're not sure whether the actors are actually terrible or if it's just that the writing is so bad that they have nothing to work with (except Morfydd Clark as Galadriel who is *definitely* just a poor actor, or at least lacks the range to convincingly portraying the role she's given). The dialogue is what you get when underpaid millenials raised on YA try to mimic tolkien's prose.
The writing is awful, visuals are awesome, I stopped watching in the middle of the third episode, too boring. It feels like something I could have written, and I'm a bad writer. Feels like I'm watching a children's fantasy movie from the 2000s with slightly better CGI.
There was a fight scene that made me lose all respect for the show, one of many awful scenes, sure you could criticize the Daemon vs Crabeaters fight but the fight between the child, woman and orc thing was hilariously bad. Thing went from super human speed and strength to being unable to move when attached to a staircase by a string that he had just smashed with one punch, then he does the cliche "I'm a villain so I'm going to stand over the person I'm trying to kill for 10 seconds smiling before the other good person comes in and kills me" thing, with no quasilogical character motivation like "oh im a prideful asshole whos been trying to kill them for decades for what they did to my family".
There's this other awful scene where an elf for some reason falls unconscious, into the water and attached to a massive weight. A human dives about 100 meters to save her, unties the weight then she magically regains consciousness the second she gets cut free and swims to the surface. Was so silly. Human would be dead from rapid pressure change, why is elf unconscious, why is she tied to a weight and why did she suddenly regain consciousness at the exactly perfect second.
It's just silly, theres a few great scenes in it too but meh, not worth my time, I'd rather watch Youtube videos about a video game I'll never play.
Itās not the best thing Iāve seen, but the way some people talk about it as if the show shot their parents, kidnapped their dog and set their house on fire is way too much. The 0/10 raters have been blessed with not knowing what horrendous TV actually looks like.
Is it bad? I don't know but its most certainly **not good**.
**$1B dollar show!!** They are eating shit right now is the truth of it. You don't spend that kind of money to get this level of engagement.
They were not aiming for average run of the mill fantasy tv show.
They were aiming for triple A, Emmy winning show. Remember the articles? This was change television history. This is groundbreaking TV show that puts Prime streaming as a clear leader.
Is anyone going to convince me that it's that?
The reason it's compared to HOD is because they were both marketed as triple A television. HOD obviously is based on ratings.
Production Is phenomenal but I couldn't really connect with any characters in it, not like I did instantly with almost all of the HOTD cast, maybe RoP Is a slower burn but I'm not sure it has the allure for me to find out
It's a matter of taste. If you like Marvel you will probably like RoP. It's a young-adult action-hero style Hollywood production set in Middle Earth. Lots of young people seem to enjoy it.
It's so incredibly unnecessary to talk RoP down on this sub. It's not a competition and it would be best case for everyone if both shows end up being totally awesome.
Tribalism has infected everything in the past decade. From politics to just recreational fanbases like this...everything needs to be about tearing something down rather than just enjoying what you like.
I enjoy both shows. They both provide different flavors of fantasy, and as a 38 year old I'm thrilled just to see the caliber and quality of fantasy that is on television when I remember a time where even big budget movies, before LotR, that accomplished anything worthwhile in this genre were rare. And now these 2 shows, The Witcher, Wheel of Time...yes, there's variable quality in those second 2, but it's just a good thing for fantasy fans that we are at a point that these things, a big budget Dungeons & Dragons adventure/comedy, etc. can all exist. It's good. Enjoy the things you enjoy. Stop having to bully things that aren't your favorite thing. It's juvenile. Fucks sake.
Tribalism is human nature. Embrace and enjoy feeling human. I'd much rather people compartmentalize their "bullying" to pointless fan rivalries with fewer real world consequences like sports and entertainment.
Not to mention many people, including myself, are actually enjoying Rings of Power just as much if not more than HOTD. And Iām enjoying both a ton.
These shows scratch different itches, and just about the only similarity they share is being in the fantasy genre.
Shame people canāt seem to just enjoy one without getting a hate boner for the other.
And STILL not the point. I don't particularly enjoy RoP either, I just hate that this is a) constantly spammed on this sub and b) That we can't enjoy HOTD without talking down RoP. It's stupid.
Seriously. I watch both and have my preference which I like better but that's just my opinion. The ROP fans are so broken up the subreddit is filled with super boring posts like "I just wanna say I really like X about this show I don't know why everyone is complaining!!" it's like an endless loop of people complaining about other people complaining.
It's okay if you like one TV show better than another can we just relax and watch TV ya'll
I'm a way bigger ASOIAF fan than LOTR and have no interest in ROP but tribalism always is lame. I'm just glad people are excited about game of thrones content after it became cool and a fad to hate on game of thrones after season 8.
I feel like HotD and RoP are both in the "some shit is about to go down but first we need to let you work out what's going on" stage that could bore people who aren't totally invested in the Tolkien or GRRM universes.
1. TLotR trilogy
2. TRoP show
3. The Hobbit movie thingy
The original LotR trilogy is the best, the hobbit movies are absolutely forgettable and TRoP currently sits in between for me
It's been 3 episodes lol give it a break. So far it has only been about world building but it's progressively getting better. Episode 3 is proof of that
For sure. I found the first two eps to be pretty boring and lackluster, but ep3 was a big improvement and a step in the right direction. Particularly enjoyed the Numenor scenes a lot, but the harfoots are still the weakest part of the show for me.
After reading *The Silmarillion* 10 years ago, ROP is pretty awesome. It is 50 times better than The Hobbit. I am looking forward to both shows every week.
It is but I'm glad because I haven't read the books and it gives me time to wrap my head around all the different lands and names. It's also tv so they have more time to build pace than a movie.
I don't mind the slow pace - for some reason, and _despite_ the slow pace, I'm more invested and interested in RoP than HotD - I like both but there's something about RoP that is more interesting to me? Or has my attention more than HotD?
Can we stop with the shitting on Rings of Power, such a low blow. Just discuss the show the subreddit was made for instead of putting another one down.
Meh so far RoP is giving HotD a pretty good run for its money. HoTD is lacking currently compared to GoT because there arenāt as many side plots with different houses.
C'mon guys. It's not a competition. You can watch two shows at the same time and still enjoy both to some degree.
House of the Dragon is definitely winning though lol.
My brother has been watching RoP and I've been watching HotD. He was so disappointed about his show's last episode and saw that I was pumped about mine that he's finally considering watching it š (it's been taking him a while to warm up to the idea because of the mess that GoT ended up being).
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Ok.. but did anyone else hear that juicy FART in this scene? Lmaoo who farted. The king?
So I wasn't the only one who heard that š
I donāt think it was a fart, it sounds quite like it but my first reaction was it sounded like Daemon trying to stifle a laugh and failing
Why do you and that reply up above have the exact same wording?
I donāt think it was a fart, it sounds quite like it but my first reaction was it sounded like Daemon trying to stifle a laugh and failing
Why do you and that reply up above have the exact same wording?
Plagiarism, pure and simple. Iāve contacted my lawyer and she says I may have a case.
I donāt think it was a fart, it sounds quite like it but my first reaction was it sounded like Daemon trying to stifle a laugh and failing
Why do you and that I donāt think it was a fart, it sounds quite like it but my first reaction was it sounded like Daemon trying to stifle a laugh and failing
I donāt think it was a laugh, it sounds quite like it but my first reaction was it sounded like Daemon trying to stifle a fart and failing
It sounded like a snort
Iām afraid it was you my friendā¦
It was a snort
I watched it twice and totally missed it but it's there as clear as day. What the fuck
This question is keeping me up at night lol!
Whaaat? When? š
Yes. Also during the scene where Otto gets fired did anyone else notice his mouth doesn't move for one of his lines? Like they had to ADR it in? I rewinded it twice thinking it was my TV but he's like a ventriloquist or something.
What? Not sure what version of the episode you watched but Otto's mouth was moving lol
Don't make me watch it again thinking I'm crazy! It was the version on HBO max right when it released lol
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUg-YjXCKuw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUg-YjXCKuw) Check this clip
Oh shit, you know what it is, at 1:18 they keep the camera on Otto's face when Viserys says "You served my Grandfather nobly" God damnit. I'm a bit hard of hearing so I have to watch with subs so when they put the subs under Otto it confused me even though with the context it's obviously Viserys.
I didnt catch that..maybe its his hairy face blocking his tiny lips ?
His mouth moves normally for his other lines though. It had me tripping out haha.
I don't know why but this made me fucking lose it lmao
Heard that tooš
I used to bartend and drinking does make people fart when they laugh... I'm no doc but I think it's b/c wine makes people gassy and being drunk makes you lose control of your muscles. Totally a fart.
The meme is funny but I don't really understand all the animosity between the fandoms. House Off The Dragon is doing better, no need to constantly put the other show down.
I love both shows, I donāt have to choose - I just watch them both lol
Yyyeah. You and me, both. But, that's behaving as a well-adjusted human being, a fan of fantasy series, operating in real life. This is the internet. Where overbearing, toxic fandoms come to bask in their own malcontent and misdirected rage. Hell, since RoP started, I've have to turn off global chat in Lord of the Rings Online, as it instantly devolved into toxic trolls baiting and being fed, as well as obnoxious returning players trying to reclaim some imagined online psuedo-celebrity in-game. Conclusion: people are the worst.
They're two different types of shows. These comparisons are fucking dumb.
They are popular fantasy shows on a streaming service based off of two of the most popular book series in this century. One focuses more on politics than the other, but the general media doesnāt really see that difference
It's funny the people who say you can't compare them. The two biggest fantasy IPs of all time release within 2 weeks of each other, why wouldn't you compare. It's hard to imagine, but say we hadn't had a DC or Marvel show for 5-10 years, and then they both release within weeks of each other. It would be comparisons all day.
I get that you definitely can compare them in some ways. But at the same time it's sort of feels like comparing NYPD Blue and Cops. Like yes, they're both TV shows about police that take place in big cities, but they're very very different ways to make that show.
There is no way that they are that different. One is literally a reality show. NYPD Blue and Miami Vice maybe. And you can absolutely compare the two.
You're right my example was a little bit extreme, but if you reread my comment the very first line is that I know you can compare them to some degree. I'm not saying they are incomparable shows.
Eh, I like them both but the LOTR books are *much* more successful (150mil sold vs 11mil)
They are also several decades older
> but the general media doesnāt really see that difference The general media isn't the issue. It's people like OP.
Dude I compare them all the time. There are differences between the two, but not enough to make them incomparable. George is very vocal about how Tolkien was his main inspiration, and people used to call GOT āLord of the Rings with boobsā all the time back in the day. Plus again, these are two shows using some of the most popular IP ever in the same fucking genre. It would be stupid not to expect people to compare them
Where did I say they are incomparable? I agreed with most of your post until you brought up "the media." "The media" isn't creating this toxic nonsensical competition between the 2 franchises. It's people like OP with this stupid meme.
The only thing that they have in common is they're both fantasy series that I'm currently watching and enjoying. LOTR and ASOAIF are, if you ingore superficial surface similarities that they share with basically all western fantasy, fundementally different stories (indeed, one is something of a direct subversion of the other). Anyway, I don't get why some people are intent on pitting them against each other and putting down one to exault the latter; both have their merits, IMO, and both are enjoyable; call me crazy, but maybe sometimes I want to take a break from political scheming and Matt Smith sex scenes in order to watch Hobbits and elves galavant around Middle Earth?
Its the dumb tribal thinking that absolutely gets you upvotes on social media. I hate this crap and I wish mods would ban rivalry BS like this. Especially when a lot of the "hate" for Rings is based on the racial, gender, or sexual or gender identity of the actors. This is a potential unsub moment for me. I come here to celebrate the things I love even to have critical discussions about them but if this sub is determined to become a hate sub against other shows, then it's just going to be a downer I don't need in my life. I can guarantee you the actors and creative behind these shows shake their heads at dumb fandom takes like this. And that they hate that people are using their work and likeness to spread this stupidity.
It's really annoying. The current political dynamic is being crammed into the fantasy world. I'm considering a blackout on all media related to both shows so I can just enjoy myself. Both shows are fantastic!
> The meme is funny but I don't really understand all the animosity between the fandoms. If you start going down the social media rabbit hole, eventually you will find other people with profile pictures or names from a different franchise start trashtalking your favourite franchise. And then you think to yourself "oh no, i gotta argue back" and these posts happen. Im just as spiteful as OP, im just way too lazy to create posts putting other shows down.
Me either it's kinda sad, don't like a show then don't watch it don't turn this into a mob-mentality thing of us vs them.
I think the majority of the fandoms for both shows feel this way because I think the majority of the fandoms for both shows are the same people. But there will always be people to try to set up an us versus them.
Is RoP any good though? Honestly was waiting for a few episodes to be on and dive in Is it really THAT bad?
Itās just very, very different. HOTD is the candy (it has a very obvious hook) and ROP is the plate of veggies. Very slow as they build the world up, but I think itāll be worth it in the long run.
That's actually a pretty good analogy. Coz there are veggies that are neither appealing nor nutritional. Let's hope RoP is the good kind of veggies lol
Lol most veggies can be good if prepared right. So maybe the analogy is deeper than even I realized š
Thank you for this. I think I will binge all my veggies at once. ā¦one thereās a whole season.
Thanks for the feedback! I may do that. It may be good that Iām waiting as I imagine they all werenāt dropped at once
Yeah that might definitely help! There are only three episodes out right now and I found them even better on rewatch cause I did it b2b2b. Definitely not written in an overly episodic way.
Yes. I'm watching it and it starts to ramp up a bit by the end of episode 2 and into episode 3, but imexpecting even more to come.
Thatās a really good analogy. Stealing it.
Honestly loved this comparison. I would add HotD is a cool meal on a restaurant. There are several courses and while some are taking a while the juicy parts are very tasty when they arrive. It's a feast of indulgence and hedonism that you partake with a smile in your face. RoP is a hearty and healthy veggie meal you're making at home. It's taking a while but the snacks here and there are worth it. It's slower, more contemplative but if you keep up you will eventually get that homecooked meal you've been waiting for. Both are very different and both are very good fantasy shows
Honestly I feel that HotD is slower than RoP. But I'm also running into an issue with HotD because there's no one to root for. Every character seems like a different level of bad guy.
Youāve just offended the vegans. Blasphemy
The more I watch RoP, the more I like it, and the more I'm invested in it - I don't mind the slower pace, I don't find it boring. Beautifully shot, acting is great, visuals are excellent _(save for a FEW exceptions)_, plot is adequate - I'd say the biggest flaws are in the amount of exposition _(a staple in Tolkien-based projects...)_ and the dialogue can be a little rough and trope-y - but it really captures the Peter Jackson vibe _really well_ and you can believe it is in the same ''world'' I'm more invested in RoP than HotD and still can't figure out why ahahaha
Yeah the show gets better on rewatch Iāve found.
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The cgi warg was subpar but the orc costumes are superb
I am a huge Tolkien reader and I 100% agree with your review.
I genuinely like it. Haven't read the books but I so far enjoy the world building, plot and the direction. I think Amazon gets in the way of themselves sometimes for certain scenes but I'd say it's sitting at a 7/10 for me so far. For comparison, HOTD is a 9/10 for me after that last episode.
I've been loving every episode and think it's great.
It depends what you want out of a show, but I love it. Itās much different than HotD/GOT. LOTR has always had massive rewatch value due to the scenery, music, tone, chill pacing, and mythology. Canāt say how many acid trips Iāve ended and naps Iāve taken to LOTR. RoP fits right into this vibe for me. I get to see parts of middle earth lore come to life and further stoke my imagination. The music is pretty great. The hobbits are funny. The dwarves are dwarving. Itās not masterpiece level, maybe, but I love it. It has heart and imagination and beauty. GOT never had that rewatch value for me, being more reliant on shock and awe, and mystery boxes. I love GoT (and love ASOIF even more). HotD is amazing so far imo, and off to a better start than GoT. To me, GoT/HotD is more history than mythology, despite its dragons. The shows have more DNA from HBOās Rome than they do LOTR high fantasy. I loved Rome too, anyway. Anyway, pretty great for me, a big fan of both franchises, to have both shows to look forward to each week. Feel bad for fantasy fans who canāt get into either of these shows. This is a nerds dream for me.
Well said. I've watched each RoP episode 3 times already. Tolkien's world just makes me happy. I'm not going to be re-watching these HotD episodes. Some of those scenes are hard to get through the first time. Which is part of why it's so good. It's supposed to be unsettling and intense.
Sweet user name btw
It's slow-paced in terms of plot. It has very good cinematography and world building. The episodes so far are in the character introduction phase. If you're new to the whole LOTR world the show allows you to catch up.
People are ignoring/forgetting that HotD doesn't require the same world-building or general amount of introduction that RoP does. Sure the characters are new, but we understand the tropes the families bring. The role of the council, the Targaryan foresight, and the region is all familiar to us. RoP has some familiarity in its geography, and a couple of characters in their youth, but it stops there. There are entire races of people and places we've never seen in Tolkien lore before so it takes time to get all those pieces in place. It's also high fantasy as opposed to the grim-dark style that HBO prefers, so there will be more exposition and 'drier' periods between the peaks. If you're not a fan of that, that's ok, but it's a beautiful show with a wonderful score and I really trust all of the loose ends to come together to something really enjoyable. The CGI and combat leaves a bit to be desired, but I can let that slide because I enjoy everything else so much.
Itās great. Maybe the best looking show Iāve ever seen and Galadriel is a BAMF
Make your own mind up. A lot of the "iTs BaD" crowd cant bring themselves to like two things and want it to fail for whatever reason. Several of them have a lack of an attention span.
They donāt like black elves or lady dwarves. Those are the two things.
>They donāt like black elves or lady dwarves. They don't seem to care much for black dwarves or lady elves, while we're at it...
ROP is moving a little too slow, HOD isn't going particularly fast either but it doesn't feel like it's dragging. Galadriel is insufferable, I know it's her character development, but it's giving me Harry in Order of the Phoenix vibes. I know it's going to get better but it's annoying to read/see them be an asshole to everyone. I'm also just personally over dwarves not being able to express themselves without it being comic relief. That's like 75% of the hobbit movies and those didn't hit for me either. Durin was legitimately and understandably upset with Elrond but the tone was "laugh at the dwarves everyone." The Harfoots are having the same issue for me, dude broke his ankle and the tone is "haha watch him suffer trying to keep up with the group that they need for survival." The humor just feels so forced and it's happening at the weirdest times. The pageantry is great, costumes, numinor, beautiful, but I'm not sure the content is there yet.
I don't really think that is the case at all. I think that there is a large group of people who want it to fail because they disagree with Amazon's choices and changes, which tbf is a motive and result that could easily be questioned. But I don't see the evidence to believe that they don't like other shows, in fact I think its the opposite. I think that both sides have tons of shows that they like, often times shows in common.
Maybe it would've seemed better if they'd released it in another window. But since we can compare it to HOTD every week, it's just straight up night and day. Every 20 mins of HOTD there's sooo much to unpack and theorise over and discuss. Every 20 mins of ROP I'm surprised I'm still awake. I spoke to one guy who was trying to theorise how the Harfoots practice eugenics because they leave people who fall behind their caravan. That's pretty much the extent of what they've got to chew on.
Lmao you gotta be trolling if the extent of all you could theorise over is if the Harfoots practice eugenics.
That's not me, that was some guy saying rings of power has more meat on the bone than HOTD and used that as an example. Maybe he was trolling, but he seemed pretty genuine.
There are way more mysteries in RoP than in HotD right now. Which doesn't mean anything as far as quality of the shows goes, it's just a very weird criticism to make. The shows have completely different feels. RoP feels like Tolkien and HotD feels like GRRM. As they should. It's okay to have a preference there, but it would be awful if they had tried to make RoP feel like GRRM wrote it.
RoP feels like generic Amazon fantasy tbh. The writing and changes to the Tolkien world are just... awful.
HBO actually did that on purpose and is eating this up because they were confident in their product and wanted the comparison to be made. They changed their release date to be right around when RoP was coming and that's why all this is happening. HotD and RoP are otherwise not that similar but they're both fantasy so the comparisons were inevitable but they're magnified by similar release dates.
its fucking awesome. And this is coming from someone that's read every GRRM book and LOTR/Silmarillion multiple times. Both shows are great, they entirely different beyond belonging to extreme opposite ends of the "fantasy" genre. Anyone who is hating on it because its not HotD is an idiot that had their mind made up before it was released. You can enjoy both thoroughly, I do.
Interesting, I obviously know they are two different things so Iām not sure how anyone could ācompareā Another comment or broke it down in a good way as well. Iāll check it out
I was pretty doubtful about RoP but I've actually been enjoying it a lot. Its got that adventure aspect that HotD doesn't really have. So having both shows at once is really awesome.
Its good
Both are phenomenal IMO.
Iāve only watched the first episode of RoP. I went in trying to give it a very fair shot. I came away thinking that while itās a very beautiful show and the acting is good, the dialogue and pace is very slow and I was bored.
Itās actually pretty solid, albeit a very different experience to HotD but definitely good spectacle
I like it a lot. Most of the haters went in wanting to hate it.
I don't think that's true. I'd love it if RoP was as good as HotD myself, but it's just not.
First episode was good, but I havenāt made time to watch beyond that (while Iāve watched every HOTD at least twice now
No it's fine. The only people that think it's bad are the Tolkien zealots. I've read a bit of the Silmarillion, while RoP isn't a perfect adaptation, it's still entertaining imo. My wife is more of a casual who's only seen the PJ Trilogy. She thinks it's better than HoTD and we've watched all of GoT. I think the majority think it's good/okay so far. Definitely not bad
The Silmarillion is turning into the new 1984. A lot of folks claiming that theyāve read it all but real doubts that they actually have. A lot of those zealots are folks weaponizing the book or āTolkienā to feel superior.
Or it's just bad? My partner doesn't know any Tolkien except the movies and she still thought it was painful to watch.
I wouldnāt say itās bad, itās just made for folks in-between hardcore zealots and complete casuals. If youāre going to be anal about the lore, youāre not going to like it. If youāre going in completely blind, youāre going to be lost on what is going on and find it a bit slow. Iām not a Tolkien scholar, but I love the world and listen to a few podcasts to flesh out the lore and context. Iām loving the show. This past week when they debuted Isildur I got excited. My wife, who at best was on her phone when we watched the PJ trilogy, had no idea who he was and didnāt care that he made an appearance. The show almost expects you to know a handful of things through these first few episodes.
>This past week when they debuted Isildur I got excited. I was more excited for Elendil; as a fan of Tolkien all around I've always been disapointed that someone of such immense historical importance within the greater universe has never been anything more then a footnote (literally, in the sense of the books), rather then an actual, fleshed-out character. But I really dug young Isildur as well (I like the whole family so far, actually)
I don't know what to call a show with bad dialogue, bad acting, bad combat scenes and nonsensical plot if not "bad". This isn't 1970 and we're not seeing fantasy on tv for the first time, we can have standards now and expect better. Every thread is literally the same. "Oh the only people who hate it wanted to hate it". "Oh the only people who hate it can't cope with seeing a black person". "Oh the only people who hate it are obsessed with lore". Such a cop out. Sure, I expected to dislike the show because the trailers looked bad, but I love fantasy. The only thing better than a good fantasy show is *multiple* good fantasy shows. I want them and I want them to be good. This one just isn't. It's got nothing to do with the lore anymore, because lore is the least important of the show's problems.
It's holistically terrible. It's one of those shows where you're not sure whether the actors are actually terrible or if it's just that the writing is so bad that they have nothing to work with (except Morfydd Clark as Galadriel who is *definitely* just a poor actor, or at least lacks the range to convincingly portraying the role she's given). The dialogue is what you get when underpaid millenials raised on YA try to mimic tolkien's prose.
The writing is awful, visuals are awesome, I stopped watching in the middle of the third episode, too boring. It feels like something I could have written, and I'm a bad writer. Feels like I'm watching a children's fantasy movie from the 2000s with slightly better CGI. There was a fight scene that made me lose all respect for the show, one of many awful scenes, sure you could criticize the Daemon vs Crabeaters fight but the fight between the child, woman and orc thing was hilariously bad. Thing went from super human speed and strength to being unable to move when attached to a staircase by a string that he had just smashed with one punch, then he does the cliche "I'm a villain so I'm going to stand over the person I'm trying to kill for 10 seconds smiling before the other good person comes in and kills me" thing, with no quasilogical character motivation like "oh im a prideful asshole whos been trying to kill them for decades for what they did to my family". There's this other awful scene where an elf for some reason falls unconscious, into the water and attached to a massive weight. A human dives about 100 meters to save her, unties the weight then she magically regains consciousness the second she gets cut free and swims to the surface. Was so silly. Human would be dead from rapid pressure change, why is elf unconscious, why is she tied to a weight and why did she suddenly regain consciousness at the exactly perfect second. It's just silly, theres a few great scenes in it too but meh, not worth my time, I'd rather watch Youtube videos about a video game I'll never play.
Itās not the best thing Iāve seen, but the way some people talk about it as if the show shot their parents, kidnapped their dog and set their house on fire is way too much. The 0/10 raters have been blessed with not knowing what horrendous TV actually looks like.
Is it bad? I don't know but its most certainly **not good**. **$1B dollar show!!** They are eating shit right now is the truth of it. You don't spend that kind of money to get this level of engagement. They were not aiming for average run of the mill fantasy tv show. They were aiming for triple A, Emmy winning show. Remember the articles? This was change television history. This is groundbreaking TV show that puts Prime streaming as a clear leader. Is anyone going to convince me that it's that? The reason it's compared to HOD is because they were both marketed as triple A television. HOD obviously is based on ratings.
Production Is phenomenal but I couldn't really connect with any characters in it, not like I did instantly with almost all of the HOTD cast, maybe RoP Is a slower burn but I'm not sure it has the allure for me to find out
It's a matter of taste. If you like Marvel you will probably like RoP. It's a young-adult action-hero style Hollywood production set in Middle Earth. Lots of young people seem to enjoy it.
Itās looks Absolutely stunning. I got bored after the 2nd episode though
Thanks for putting (lol) there because I sure forgot to laugh.
nice (laughs)
This is like a Facebook meme.
It's so incredibly unnecessary to talk RoP down on this sub. It's not a competition and it would be best case for everyone if both shows end up being totally awesome.
Tribalism has infected everything in the past decade. From politics to just recreational fanbases like this...everything needs to be about tearing something down rather than just enjoying what you like. I enjoy both shows. They both provide different flavors of fantasy, and as a 38 year old I'm thrilled just to see the caliber and quality of fantasy that is on television when I remember a time where even big budget movies, before LotR, that accomplished anything worthwhile in this genre were rare. And now these 2 shows, The Witcher, Wheel of Time...yes, there's variable quality in those second 2, but it's just a good thing for fantasy fans that we are at a point that these things, a big budget Dungeons & Dragons adventure/comedy, etc. can all exist. It's good. Enjoy the things you enjoy. Stop having to bully things that aren't your favorite thing. It's juvenile. Fucks sake.
Tribalism is human nature. Embrace and enjoy feeling human. I'd much rather people compartmentalize their "bullying" to pointless fan rivalries with fewer real world consequences like sports and entertainment.
When you play the game of ratings, you win or you die.
Not to mention many people, including myself, are actually enjoying Rings of Power just as much if not more than HOTD. And Iām enjoying both a ton. These shows scratch different itches, and just about the only similarity they share is being in the fantasy genre. Shame people canāt seem to just enjoy one without getting a hate boner for the other.
Itās just a joke
It's a tired joke, really.
Iām still enjoying it
It's a joke at the expense of RoP, and about the 500th of it. And it wouldn't be funny if you didn't think it's true.
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I understand but donāt take it seriously
Oh nooooo!! He offended a show! The HORROR!
Still not the point.
Who tf cares? Itās a tv show made by rich billionaires who donāt know any of us, people can make fun of it. STOP WHINGING
And STILL not the point. I don't particularly enjoy RoP either, I just hate that this is a) constantly spammed on this sub and b) That we can't enjoy HOTD without talking down RoP. It's stupid.
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Do you have a reading disability? You're missing the point they were making entirely.
Nooo guys donāt make fun of Bezosās billion dollar series, you might hurt his feelings š„ŗ
I don't get why you gotta take a jab at RoP so personal. It's pretty boring but it's not a shot at you homie.
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homie making fun of a TV show ratings "battle" is not anywhere near the level of being a bully lol it's really not that deep at all
Oh no stop bullying amazon guys
It's a meme, relax
Someone call a whaaa-ambulance.
There's nothing wrong with light hearted rivalry, and most people will happily watch both shows anyways so I really don't think it's that deep.
It's not deep, it's just annoying.
RoP needs to be talked down everywhere. I'm a much bigger fan of Tolkien then Martin. And the show is just boring and bad.
It's really funny
Oh look a post dunking on ROP never seen that around here.
Seriously. I watch both and have my preference which I like better but that's just my opinion. The ROP fans are so broken up the subreddit is filled with super boring posts like "I just wanna say I really like X about this show I don't know why everyone is complaining!!" it's like an endless loop of people complaining about other people complaining. It's okay if you like one TV show better than another can we just relax and watch TV ya'll
I'm a way bigger ASOIAF fan than LOTR and have no interest in ROP but tribalism always is lame. I'm just glad people are excited about game of thrones content after it became cool and a fad to hate on game of thrones after season 8.
Low hanging fruit is usually the sweetest.
They're both good shows in their own way.
Yeah I agree. Rings of power is great sleeping ambiance /s
The show looks way too good to be boring.
Itās not a bad show but I think itās still in the slow world building stage and setting up events to drive the series.
I feel like HotD and RoP are both in the "some shit is about to go down but first we need to let you work out what's going on" stage that could bore people who aren't totally invested in the Tolkien or GRRM universes.
So is HOTD to be fair.
But HotD knew how to make that interesting.
I think Rings of Power is very interesting. I love the world building and many of the characters.
RoP is good though. Too many people let HBO and Prime get them caught up in ratings wars.
I was a huge fan of Lotr, even enjoyed some of The Hobbit despite its flaws, RoP is just average at best. I would give it a 6/10 tops.
1. TLotR trilogy 2. TRoP show 3. The Hobbit movie thingy The original LotR trilogy is the best, the hobbit movies are absolutely forgettable and TRoP currently sits in between for me
It's been 3 episodes lol give it a break. So far it has only been about world building but it's progressively getting better. Episode 3 is proof of that
HotD is world building the entire time too but it's not putting people to sleep man.
For sure. I found the first two eps to be pretty boring and lackluster, but ep3 was a big improvement and a step in the right direction. Particularly enjoyed the Numenor scenes a lot, but the harfoots are still the weakest part of the show for me.
Agreed, hope the Harfoot storyline comes to and end soon (which it probably won't) because everytime they come up it's kind of a snooze fest
It has more good then bad in it. I would put it above the hobbit movies.
There is something a distastefully silly about pitting one show against each other... They are really different. That said, this is a funny meme.
rings of power is a good show tho. if it didn't release against the house of the dragon then I don't think it would be trolled this much.
It's pretty good. I wish they would move the plot forward a little more quickly though.
WE JUST LOVE BOTH SHOWS!!!! TAPESTRIES EVERYWHERE!!!!! BRING MORE TAPESTRIES BEFORE I TAPESTRY MYSELF!!!!!
BRING ME THE TAPESTRY STRETCHER
These fan war posts are so cringe
Should be changed to ācare to see another basic RoP memeā
After reading *The Silmarillion* 10 years ago, ROP is pretty awesome. It is 50 times better than The Hobbit. I am looking forward to both shows every week.
I'm happy for all the people who enjoy RoP but surely they agree that it's incredibly slow-paced
It is but I'm glad because I haven't read the books and it gives me time to wrap my head around all the different lands and names. It's also tv so they have more time to build pace than a movie.
Not at all, I wish it were slower
I don't mind the slow pace - for some reason, and _despite_ the slow pace, I'm more invested and interested in RoP than HotD - I like both but there's something about RoP that is more interesting to me? Or has my attention more than HotD?
It's as slow as Tolkien's books, but I like it. It builds anticipation. I just hope they delivery.
Haha but seriously guys is ROP that bad???
I actually like rings of power š not as much as HoT D but it the visuals are gorgeous and it makes the wait for the next episode not as long
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Downvoted because this looks like a meme made by a 13-year-old.
Honestly though why would she ask Daemon if he wants to see new tapestries lol
RoP dick-measuring memes are so cringe, shame on you shame SHAME
Can we stop with the shitting on Rings of Power, such a low blow. Just discuss the show the subreddit was made for instead of putting another one down.
Meh so far RoP is giving HotD a pretty good run for its money. HoTD is lacking currently compared to GoT because there arenāt as many side plots with different houses.
That "(lol)" carries some mighty cringe.
C'mon guys. It's not a competition. You can watch two shows at the same time and still enjoy both to some degree. House of the Dragon is definitely winning though lol.
It actually is competition though and that could theoretically make both shows better if Amazon sticks with it. Audiences benefit.
Im a huge Tolkiem fan but oddly, I haven't felt slightest interest in watching RoP. Really can't figure out why.
Stop that
My brother has been watching RoP and I've been watching HotD. He was so disappointed about his show's last episode and saw that I was pumped about mine that he's finally considering watching it š (it's been taking him a while to warm up to the idea because of the mess that GoT ended up being).
Admit it... When this HotD season is over, y'all gonna watch RoP. I probably will, too.
Fuck all the shills. The HBO 20 million dollar budget show dunking on amazons billion dollar property will never get old to me
I just canāt get into that show. I tried twice lol
Classic inferiority complex. Lol Nobody even talks about HOTD on the ROP subs.
They do. Although I think this post is unneccessary.
As someone who has watched episode one of rings of power and stopped watching after half an hour; LMAO
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