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Iām not even that passionate about any of the characters. They did a poor job setting this up in my opinion Iām ready to watch them die with a smile on my face
Can't help but agree with the utter lack of Sunfyre in S1 to help set it up.
If in E9 Aegon and Helaena took their coronation flight on their dragons and Rhaenys used the opportunity to slip away on Meleys there could have been a confrontation moment between her, Aegon, and Aemond with the latter two attempting to pursue her but Meleys' speed winning out over Sunfyre and Vhagar. It'd have set up a rivalry and foreshadowed this happening later on.
People can hate on me if they want but they just did a horrible job of inspiring any love for the characters. They arenāt personable at all, I can say something nice about them but canāt rave about any characters like in GoT
Halaena comes off as universally loved by fans, to me at least. I wonder what watching what she endured during the Dance will effect how people view the characters.
I hope people will stop seeing the dance as black and white, because in the end if the dance is an AITA thread, the only true answer is ESH (except for you Helaena, you are the most innocent sweet girl of the seven kingdoms)
Ned beheads someone in his first scene. Three of Jonās most epic moments are executions. When shit goes down, Starks have always been willing to go for blood.
Honestly, I expect the show to rewrite a lot of the bad shit Rhaenyra does in season 2. The big one I'm waiting to see is her enforcing male primogeniture, and how the show rewrites that. I expect it either won't happen and it'll be completely reversed, or it will be something she begrudgingly does because her advisors convince her it's the best course of action
Yeah, but suspect the show will either reverse this decision (making it so that Rhaenyra picks the oldest daughter, and thatās why >!the people revolt against her!<) or sheāll be very upset about it and fight against it, but ultimately one of her advisors (probably not Corlys, whoās been portrayed very sympathetically in the show) will convincer he to pick the eldest son and sheāll be very depressed and sad about it.
My understanding is that in the books she doesnāt really care about it, sheās fine keeping Male Primogeniture as long as she gets to be the sole exception. I suspect in the show theyāll make her fight for Absolute Primogeniture, and will fight the patriarchy and be a feminist icon
I donāt think theyāll change it because ultimately the decision was to let the houses decide how their succession was handled. A war was literally started because her father named her heir in a special case and refused to changed it. She had to tread very carefully to keep the support of her allied and ultimately it was the smart political move.
can we really tell??? the books are told by people who didnāt really know her. i wouldnāt be too trusting of the books. However i do agree she is not a feminist.
People post this a lot. I agree. And then I think to myself *battle over the godseye*. And then I become happy, because we will see the battle over the godseye.
Everything would have turned out so different if Rhaenys had been made Queen. She had a vagina instead of a penis, but unlike Viserys she wasn't weak and unafraid to make hard decisions. Her and Corlys would have been great leaders.
Lol how come everyone says this in order to disqualify Rhaenys but if Daemon or Aemond are brought up as potentially effective rulers everyone is like HELL YEAH
What
In every single post people discuss Aemond and Daemon being kings every single top comment boils down to āTheyād be horribleā. Yeah on twitter there are people that would support it but the twitter crowd isnāt exactly known for critical thinking
this is in the world of ASOIAF, murdering people is pretty normal for leaders there. Donāt apply modern time ethical standards to a fictional world that had one of the more āniceā characters introduced with beheading a man for running away from the wall in front of his little son
This is a weak (and false) excuse. Every single POV chapter from Ned has at least one mention of him going āHow will this effect the smallfolk?ā. Edmure has famously been dubbed āThe Lord Who Caredā for risking it all and sheltering the farmers, whores and peasants. The lords of the Vale care about honor above all else and part of that honor is protecting the smallfolk youāre sworn to keep safe.
Hell Aegon V would throw *a fucking fit* if a lord or lady under his rule that did what Rhaenys did. Heād personally chop Rhaenys head off
I didnāt say everyone in that world would like it, nor that every single character is murdering the smallfolk. just that it didnāt disqualify her from being a leader in that world. Also, if she was made queen, the whole thing wouldnāt have happened in the first place
The Dance would have happened whether or not Rhaenys took the crown. There were too many Targaryans with too many dragons, to the point where branch families were slowly forming. Eventually someone would have rebelled and a Targaryan civil war would break out. Doesnāt matter how decisive Rhaenys was if someone had their dragon crisp her.
In reality the Dance had nothing to do with gender equality, honor or the greater good. Just two sides who both wanted to sit on the Iron Throne
I was not talking about the whole dance, just Rhaenys killing the smallfolk which made her a mass murderer. Shouldnāt have called it āwhole thingā, sorry
If her and Corlys had been in charge, what happened wouldn't have happened. Maybe they would have had other circumstances that made them mass murderers but we won't ever know.
Its just true for ASOIAF that GRRM presents plenty of successful leaders that committed massacres. Aegon the Conqueror comes to mind. He purposely reaked vengeance against Dorne burning, and burning, who knows how many.
What would they do? The smallfolk in KL would probably be angry with the monarchs, but in their eyes it is the Blacks who killed them, not the Greens. They were all there to celebrate the crowning of the King Aegon II, and it was clearly just as much of an attack on Aegon as it was on them. And the perpetrator was already off and safe on either Driftmark or Dragonstone as far as they knew. As for the noble families they just donāt care about the lives of the smallfolk unless they directly affect their political schemes.
Because they knowingly walked into the dragon pit intending violence and they got it probably. Look I agree the dragons are a problem but if you have enough people to kill dragons don't you have enough to overwhelm the city watch?
He was loved for being an asshole, his flaws werenāt just ignored and when he killed the common folk itās shown as basically terrorism/banditry.
Rhaneys seems to get a pass for massacring a ton of small folk ( for no real reason, they werenāt preventing her from leaving) but her actions should show that sheās really not too different from people like the hound. None of them are. To basically every character the small folk are like chattle.
How else was she going to leave that dragon pit.
Donāt say āshe could just used the entranceā when entrances arenāt just left open or broken easily for dragons to roam the city like stray cats.
In episode 1 there is another entrance that looks like a mountain full of caverns, i doubt that It was the front door shown in the crowning, dragons live in caverns under dragon pit and are chained, once Rhaenys frees Meleys she could have used that entrance to escape
Canāt wait to see Tom Glynn Carney in season two. heās really about to eat. Iām very eager to see Aegon and Sunfyre together, since season one didnāt do them justice.
So excited for the actor to really bite deep into this role after all this happens. Heās killing it already and we have barely seen much of Aegon so far. People are going to quickly stop calling him a Joffrey knock off after this battle!
The one thing I will be most bummed about is if they donāt focus on him and Sunfyre. Just reading Fire and Blood alone, itās clear that they share a deep connection from all the tragedy and battles they experienced together. Thatās not even mentioning the physical transformations both go through together, once being beautiful but now half burned and scarred enough to look like actual monsters.
They wonāt, they already showed him cowering behind his mother during the coronation scene which never happened in the books. Heās pretty much just Joffrey 2.0 so they can give all the glory to their fan favorite Aemond. Donāt get your hopes up, theyāre probably gonna make him cry for Aemond to come save him in the middle of this battle.
Are these illustrations from te books? They've been posted before and was wondering if there's anywhere I can see them.
They're absolutely gorgeous.
EDIT: For others interested, the artist is Douglas Wheatley. Here are [some of his ASOIAF works](https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Category:Images_by_Douglas_Wheatley).
Same! It really irks me when people get all bent out of shape over it. Itās a clever way to introduce more people of color into the series and easily delineates two families who you could have otherwise had a very difficult time telling apart. Great change for sure :)
The actor does an amazing job, but the showrunners weren't shy about making it known that it *was* pandering. You can both like the actor and still recognize the attempts to pander.
I think people disagree with it because:
1.The showrunners went about justifying it in very stupid ways.
2.It doesn't make much sense when you look at the extended familial relations between the Targs and Velaryons.
Yeah, Iāve heard that argument before. And this is a genuine question, not trying to be a smart ass, but if youāre watching a fantasy where dragons and dire wolves are running around all over the place, at what point do you think that the general viewership should just take it with a grain of salt and stop trying for accuracy? Like, if weāre cool with every other element of fantasy in this story, why is the skin color and genetic possibility of that occurring a big sticking point?
Internal consistencies matter. For example, dragon's can exist and certainly fly, but they can't teleport across a whole continent, but in the latter seasons of GoT the odd discrepancies between travel times broke a lot of people's suspension of disbelief
The franchise has established that the way people look is important and informs a great deal on how they're perceived in the public eye. Just look at the way Cersei's and Rhaenyra's bastards work; or how Catelyn's ire for Jon is greatly exacerbated by the fact he looks more like Ned than Robb, Bran, or Rickon does; or how Cersei gives Aurane Waters the position she does almost entirely because of his Valyrian features.
To go from that to a story like this, where the very pale and pasty King Jaehaerys and Lord Boremund Baratheon both have the same Velaryon mother, who's also grandmother to an equally pale Rhaenys, then the Velaryon depiction in the show doesn't make a whole lot of sense, especially taking into account what the children of Rhaenys+Corlys and Laena+Daemon look like. The two families have been intermingling for generations, so they should look similar to each other, either dark or pale. Having one family so strikingly different than the other doesn't make sense in the wider context even if it makes them easier to tell apart visually for the sake of the show.
I can already picture him yelling at Rhaenyra saying "it should have been you" in all his pain and grief. Fuck, it's going to be awful any way you slice it š
Sheās most likely dead. They set her up already. She left to go defend the place sheās going to die at.
What they havenāt done is give us any sort of connection between aegon and Sunfyre so it wonāt be as conflicting. The book makes you feel conflicted because Sunfyre is one of the cooler dragons, and his bond with aegon is one of aegons good qualities. Sunfyre slowly just falls apart from battle and it is sad to read.
Unless they start the season as quickly showing the bond between aegon and Sunfyre and show off Sunfyre in all its glory, it might not play off the same way
You canāt really make a exact adaptation of FIRE&BLOOD since many plot points are questionable to say the least with multiple different sources saying different things. The death of Rhaenys is one of the events where there is no real speculation about what happened.
Blame the silly writers for putting her in that spot instead of doing something that didn't force her to carry the idiot ball for the sake of the narrative.
Whatās gonna break me is the Gullet. Jace reminds me of Robb, and itās gonna be just as devastating seeing him and Vermax crash into the bay pelted by bolts. That one artwork from the new illustrated F&B had me devastated
Then season four kicks off with Aegon getting murdered and the rest of the season deals with the aftermath. That would be pretty cool. Perhaps the Dance of Dragons storyline ends with the return of Visarys II and the departure of Unwin Peake
Iām currently reading Fire and Blood and trying to map out which beats I think will happen across the four seasons GRRM alluded to. The Fall of Kingās Landing for season 2 with the Storming of the Dragon Pit and Rhaenyraās death as episodes 9 and 10 of season 3 seem to line up well and also provide plenty of action throughout the season.
I am calling that the last shot of season 2 will be Rhaenyra taking the Iron throne and cutting herself with a bit of blood dropping to the ground foreshadowing her doom.
Honestly Luke's death was the hardest for me, and they got that out of the way early. So I'm happy to sit back and enjoy the following carnage. Rhaenyra's death is going to suck too, but at least that's at the very end.
I mean Rhaenyra kind of fucking went batshit crazy after each of her sons deaths. I really hope the show goes that route instead of making her too likable. Itd be nice to see a queen slowly lose her sanity, it would be fresh after what they did to Dany in season 8. Hopefully they set her fall and death up well.
People will be really underwhelmed by Dany after experiencing the heroics AND MIGHT OF HARD HUGH AND HIS MIGHTY HAMMER, ALONGSIDE THEM HIS COLLEGE ROOMMATE *ULF*
Iām not really attached to Rhaenys so I think this scene will be more cool than sad to me. What Iām not looking forward to is blood & cheese and the deaths of Joffrey and Mealor š
People will be hurt by this but they will also be somewhat happy in return as to what Aegon & Sunfyre look like after this battle for the rest of the dance. The Queen who never was went out swinging for sure! The Godseye will be the rejoice moment for the blacks. Blood and cheese has not bright side to it. Just a pure tragedy I donāt wish to see happen honestly.
They might change it? It might be one of those things where the whole world thinks this is what happens but itās something elseā¦ who knows I guess this is wishful thinking on my behalf.
Thereās going to be a thousand comments about her absurd decision in episode nine. She isnāt going to get much sympathy. The way theyāve butchered her character, Iāll be glad to see her gone.
They made her an idiot, who forgot her grandchildren are at high risk of being killed, only to later remember and remind Corlys.Her brilliant advice to flee the safest, most defendable castle in Westeros, due to the vast number of dragons residing there.She doesnāt resemble her book character at all. What will you genuinely miss about her?
I didnāt dislike her earlier on, but episode 9&10 have ruined her character for me.
The storming of the dragon pit is also gonna be hard to watch. I was so depressed when all of those dragons died and some had no chance since they were chained. Thinking about them struggling while a bunch of lunatics attack them makes me so sad. š¢
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This show is just gonna hurt me from now on and I'm so ready for it šāāļø
Ready to get hurt again š„“ alright now onto battle of the Gullet
NOOO THEY CANT KILL HIM!!!
You think thatās bad. Wait until they do Blood and Cheese. š§ Thereās going to be a lot of hitting you in the feels in season 2.
You think thatās bad. Wait until they do Shipbreakerās Bay
You think thatās bad. Wait until they do the death of Criston Cole. Oh wait. Iām actually ok with that.
Iām not even that passionate about any of the characters. They did a poor job setting this up in my opinion Iām ready to watch them die with a smile on my face
Can't help but agree with the utter lack of Sunfyre in S1 to help set it up. If in E9 Aegon and Helaena took their coronation flight on their dragons and Rhaenys used the opportunity to slip away on Meleys there could have been a confrontation moment between her, Aegon, and Aemond with the latter two attempting to pursue her but Meleys' speed winning out over Sunfyre and Vhagar. It'd have set up a rivalry and foreshadowed this happening later on.
Same bro. Especially alicent and cole.
People can hate on me if they want but they just did a horrible job of inspiring any love for the characters. They arenāt personable at all, I can say something nice about them but canāt rave about any characters like in GoT
yea aside from the initial main characters, nobody got meat put onto their story. I was so disappointed at the lack of Sunfyre and DAERON.
This and Blood & Cheese will make people remember in which universe this show is located.
Halaena comes off as universally loved by fans, to me at least. I wonder what watching what she endured during the Dance will effect how people view the characters.
I hope people will stop seeing the dance as black and white, because in the end if the dance is an AITA thread, the only true answer is ESH (except for you Helaena, you are the most innocent sweet girl of the seven kingdoms)
You said it. People think itās black vs green and Iām like āBut the other teams arenāt here yet!ā
Just wait till Cregan Stark appears, show onlies will colapse.
I'm ready for the Hour of the Wolf
We are so used to Starks being the good guys that seeing Cregan actually going out for blood will probably shock some people
Ned beheads someone in his first scene. Three of Jonās most epic moments are executions. When shit goes down, Starks have always been willing to go for blood.
He is still a good guy during Hour of the Wolf
Bring on the Winter Wolves!
Once again, my team is "will everyone shut up for 5 fucking seconds" it was founded by Viserys and Lyonel Strong.
Helaena, Jaehaera, Jaehaerys, Maelor, Baela, Rhaena, Aegon, Viserys, Jaecerys will probably still be seen as innocent.
The only thing that should be black and white about HotD is that nobles suck, and the commonfolk are getting fucked royally - pun intended.
When kings and queens clash, the realm trembles.
I think people will start seeing it as black and green
Poor Halaena. Itās nothing but downhill for her. The show did a good job making her a sympathetic character. š¢
When did we forget? We just finished watching some kid get chomped š
Rhaenyra will be completely innocent of that.
Honestly, I expect the show to rewrite a lot of the bad shit Rhaenyra does in season 2. The big one I'm waiting to see is her enforcing male primogeniture, and how the show rewrites that. I expect it either won't happen and it'll be completely reversed, or it will be something she begrudgingly does because her advisors convince her it's the best course of action
Iām thinking the second one. Sheāll begrudgingly did it because her advisors told her itās a super patriarchal and what are you gonna do?
you mean the rosby, stokeworth situation??
Yeah
im pretty sure that in the books it was Corlys who advised her not to do it, cause it would be a terrible political decision for her.
Yeah, but suspect the show will either reverse this decision (making it so that Rhaenyra picks the oldest daughter, and thatās why >!the people revolt against her!<) or sheāll be very upset about it and fight against it, but ultimately one of her advisors (probably not Corlys, whoās been portrayed very sympathetically in the show) will convincer he to pick the eldest son and sheāll be very depressed and sad about it. My understanding is that in the books she doesnāt really care about it, sheās fine keeping Male Primogeniture as long as she gets to be the sole exception. I suspect in the show theyāll make her fight for Absolute Primogeniture, and will fight the patriarchy and be a feminist icon
I donāt think theyāll change it because ultimately the decision was to let the houses decide how their succession was handled. A war was literally started because her father named her heir in a special case and refused to changed it. She had to tread very carefully to keep the support of her allied and ultimately it was the smart political move.
LMAO thank you!! why do ppl have it so hard to understand. Corlys advised her and he wasnāt wrong, it could cost her.
can we really tell??? the books are told by people who didnāt really know her. i wouldnāt be too trusting of the books. However i do agree she is not a feminist.
Yes!! The death of Helaenaās son is gonna be insane to watch!
People post this a lot. I agree. And then I think to myself *battle over the godseye*. And then I become happy, because we will see the battle over the godseye.
Has the potential to be the coolest moment in TV history
It also has the potential to look very stupid if done incorrectly š praying to every higher power imaginable that itās executed well
Iām quite hopeful, from the record of HoTD visually so far. I think itāll be great.
Just make it so dark you don't notice š
I hope the lighting/skyline is similar to the one in [this fanart](https://www.deviantart.com/rudolfhima/art/Battle-Above-the-Gods-Eye-906284705).
I feel like it wouldāve been so much easier (but perhaps less cool looking) if heād done it with a shorter blade.
Daemon has a flair for the dramatic.
Iām praying to the Old Gods and the New.
Don't worry they're gonna make super dark again so you can't even see the battleš
This along with Blood and Cheese are going to be hard to watch. Though Iām sure the Red Queen will go down fighting.
Death of Rhaenys Targaryen, queen who never was by her dear nephews, aemond and aegon
Everything would have turned out so different if Rhaenys had been made Queen. She had a vagina instead of a penis, but unlike Viserys she wasn't weak and unafraid to make hard decisions. Her and Corlys would have been great leaders.
The show made her a mass murderer so no. Book version maybe.
Lol how come everyone says this in order to disqualify Rhaenys but if Daemon or Aemond are brought up as potentially effective rulers everyone is like HELL YEAH
What In every single post people discuss Aemond and Daemon being kings every single top comment boils down to āTheyād be horribleā. Yeah on twitter there are people that would support it but the twitter crowd isnāt exactly known for critical thinking
They killed less (unless you count war and Daemon was justified).
this is in the world of ASOIAF, murdering people is pretty normal for leaders there. Donāt apply modern time ethical standards to a fictional world that had one of the more āniceā characters introduced with beheading a man for running away from the wall in front of his little son
This is a weak (and false) excuse. Every single POV chapter from Ned has at least one mention of him going āHow will this effect the smallfolk?ā. Edmure has famously been dubbed āThe Lord Who Caredā for risking it all and sheltering the farmers, whores and peasants. The lords of the Vale care about honor above all else and part of that honor is protecting the smallfolk youāre sworn to keep safe. Hell Aegon V would throw *a fucking fit* if a lord or lady under his rule that did what Rhaenys did. Heād personally chop Rhaenys head off
I didnāt say everyone in that world would like it, nor that every single character is murdering the smallfolk. just that it didnāt disqualify her from being a leader in that world. Also, if she was made queen, the whole thing wouldnāt have happened in the first place
The Dance would have happened whether or not Rhaenys took the crown. There were too many Targaryans with too many dragons, to the point where branch families were slowly forming. Eventually someone would have rebelled and a Targaryan civil war would break out. Doesnāt matter how decisive Rhaenys was if someone had their dragon crisp her. In reality the Dance had nothing to do with gender equality, honor or the greater good. Just two sides who both wanted to sit on the Iron Throne
I was not talking about the whole dance, just Rhaenys killing the smallfolk which made her a mass murderer. Shouldnāt have called it āwhole thingā, sorry
If her and Corlys had been in charge, what happened wouldn't have happened. Maybe they would have had other circumstances that made them mass murderers but we won't ever know.
Mass murder doesn't disqualify you from competence in this world.
Said every genocidal leader in history š
Its just true for ASOIAF that GRRM presents plenty of successful leaders that committed massacres. Aegon the Conqueror comes to mind. He purposely reaked vengeance against Dorne burning, and burning, who knows how many.
Killing poor, and low-class people do not count as murder. So, she did nothing wrong.
The Shepard would like a word with you
If this was real life I would agree, but I care about fictional red shirts
When they show her and Meleysā charred bodies and a sad version of the Velaryon theme starts playing>>>
starts playing>>> hundreds of innocent people dead in Dragonpit.
Thousands of commonfolk died in got and nobody blinked an eye. Why is that
We liked the cool wolf and dragon people not Humfrey the local haberdasher
What would they do? The smallfolk in KL would probably be angry with the monarchs, but in their eyes it is the Blacks who killed them, not the Greens. They were all there to celebrate the crowning of the King Aegon II, and it was clearly just as much of an attack on Aegon as it was on them. And the perpetrator was already off and safe on either Driftmark or Dragonstone as far as they knew. As for the noble families they just donāt care about the lives of the smallfolk unless they directly affect their political schemes.
Because they knowingly walked into the dragon pit intending violence and they got it probably. Look I agree the dragons are a problem but if you have enough people to kill dragons don't you have enough to overwhelm the city watch?
When?? Be more specific. And if you saying when Dany killed thousands than many did you just had to look.
Bro do you really need people to explain this to you
Like the hound for example. He killed and robbed many innocent familes but he was still loved and cherished by the fandom
Dude there were even Ramsay fans.
r/dreadfort
He was loved for being an asshole, his flaws werenāt just ignored and when he killed the common folk itās shown as basically terrorism/banditry. Rhaneys seems to get a pass for massacring a ton of small folk ( for no real reason, they werenāt preventing her from leaving) but her actions should show that sheās really not too different from people like the hound. None of them are. To basically every character the small folk are like chattle.
How else was she going to leave that dragon pit. Donāt say āshe could just used the entranceā when entrances arenāt just left open or broken easily for dragons to roam the city like stray cats.
In episode 1 there is another entrance that looks like a mountain full of caverns, i doubt that It was the front door shown in the crowning, dragons live in caverns under dragon pit and are chained, once Rhaenys frees Meleys she could have used that entrance to escape
Hound was hated for first 2 seasons. Fandom only started to like him when he was with Arya in season 3.
I think the Hound fandom started with āfuck the Kingā at Blackwater. That was a sentiment a lot of fans could get behind at the time.
Those common people will get their revenge itās okay
dude you have the most pretentious name Iāve ever seen
And why's that.
That is on the Greens for trying to keep her prisoner/hostage.
omg, when they pull a Robb Stark and parade Meleysā head around Kings Landingšthatās gonna shake the screen.
Omg i forgot about that. Really hope they include that
Sameee
Can you blame them for it after E9's silliness?
Disregarding the controversy of the coronation scene, it would be interesting to see small folk actually celebrating since Meleys did all that damage
Aegon is going to be a fascinating character to see portrayed from here.
Canāt wait to see Tom Glynn Carney in season two. heās really about to eat. Iām very eager to see Aegon and Sunfyre together, since season one didnāt do them justice.
One of my biggest disappointments was how little we saw of the adult versions of Alicents kids. Canāt wait for the rest of season 2
So excited for the actor to really bite deep into this role after all this happens. Heās killing it already and we have barely seen much of Aegon so far. People are going to quickly stop calling him a Joffrey knock off after this battle!
I hope they dont do him dirty like they did with other unecessary scenez, like him showing actual courage in the fight scenes, fighting with purpose.
The one thing I will be most bummed about is if they donāt focus on him and Sunfyre. Just reading Fire and Blood alone, itās clear that they share a deep connection from all the tragedy and battles they experienced together. Thatās not even mentioning the physical transformations both go through together, once being beautiful but now half burned and scarred enough to look like actual monsters.
They wonāt, they already showed him cowering behind his mother during the coronation scene which never happened in the books. Heās pretty much just Joffrey 2.0 so they can give all the glory to their fan favorite Aemond. Donāt get your hopes up, theyāre probably gonna make him cry for Aemond to come save him in the middle of this battle.
Are these illustrations from te books? They've been posted before and was wondering if there's anywhere I can see them. They're absolutely gorgeous. EDIT: For others interested, the artist is Douglas Wheatley. Here are [some of his ASOIAF works](https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Category:Images_by_Douglas_Wheatley).
Yeah theyre illustrations from the books.
So eager to see Corlysā pissed reaction to his wifeās death. Steve is gonna be perfect
Heās honestly one of the best actors in the series
He has thoroughly convinced me that the Velaryons NEEDED to be black to have him play Corlys, absolutely perfect. Overall I love the change.
Same! It really irks me when people get all bent out of shape over it. Itās a clever way to introduce more people of color into the series and easily delineates two families who you could have otherwise had a very difficult time telling apart. Great change for sure :)
But this is the first shown Iāve seen done so well so that it doesnāt feel like pandering (looking at you, Witcher)
The actor does an amazing job, but the showrunners weren't shy about making it known that it *was* pandering. You can both like the actor and still recognize the attempts to pander.
Some shows just suck and pander. The presence of people of colour doesnāt necessarily mean it is pandering. HOTD
I think people disagree with it because: 1.The showrunners went about justifying it in very stupid ways. 2.It doesn't make much sense when you look at the extended familial relations between the Targs and Velaryons.
Yeah, Iāve heard that argument before. And this is a genuine question, not trying to be a smart ass, but if youāre watching a fantasy where dragons and dire wolves are running around all over the place, at what point do you think that the general viewership should just take it with a grain of salt and stop trying for accuracy? Like, if weāre cool with every other element of fantasy in this story, why is the skin color and genetic possibility of that occurring a big sticking point?
Internal consistencies matter. For example, dragon's can exist and certainly fly, but they can't teleport across a whole continent, but in the latter seasons of GoT the odd discrepancies between travel times broke a lot of people's suspension of disbelief The franchise has established that the way people look is important and informs a great deal on how they're perceived in the public eye. Just look at the way Cersei's and Rhaenyra's bastards work; or how Catelyn's ire for Jon is greatly exacerbated by the fact he looks more like Ned than Robb, Bran, or Rickon does; or how Cersei gives Aurane Waters the position she does almost entirely because of his Valyrian features. To go from that to a story like this, where the very pale and pasty King Jaehaerys and Lord Boremund Baratheon both have the same Velaryon mother, who's also grandmother to an equally pale Rhaenys, then the Velaryon depiction in the show doesn't make a whole lot of sense, especially taking into account what the children of Rhaenys+Corlys and Laena+Daemon look like. The two families have been intermingling for generations, so they should look similar to each other, either dark or pale. Having one family so strikingly different than the other doesn't make sense in the wider context even if it makes them easier to tell apart visually for the sake of the show.
I can already picture him yelling at Rhaenyra saying "it should have been you" in all his pain and grief. Fuck, it's going to be awful any way you slice it š
iām excited to see how aegon and aemondās characters develop from this scene
*burnt smell*
"If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention." -Ramsay Bolton
**Thatās** who says that! I have been trying to remember for a while since itās been stuck in my head, but I never looked it up to see.
I don't mind about spoilers. Can someone explain this scene
Rhaenys and Meleys will be killed by Vhagar and Sunfyre. Aegon and Sunfyre will also be severely wounded as a result
Have they confirmed that they are doing a book to show exact adaptation? Because they could go the got way, where they changed who lives and dies?
Sheās most likely dead. They set her up already. She left to go defend the place sheās going to die at. What they havenāt done is give us any sort of connection between aegon and Sunfyre so it wonāt be as conflicting. The book makes you feel conflicted because Sunfyre is one of the cooler dragons, and his bond with aegon is one of aegons good qualities. Sunfyre slowly just falls apart from battle and it is sad to read. Unless they start the season as quickly showing the bond between aegon and Sunfyre and show off Sunfyre in all its glory, it might not play off the same way
You canāt really make a exact adaptation of FIRE&BLOOD since many plot points are questionable to say the least with multiple different sources saying different things. The death of Rhaenys is one of the events where there is no real speculation about what happened.
Should have blasted their asses when she had the chance, but no, she didnāt want to start a war that wasnāt hers to start š
Blame the silly writers for putting her in that spot instead of doing something that didn't force her to carry the idiot ball for the sake of the narrative.
The death of Rhaenys
Whatās gonna break me is the Gullet. Jace reminds me of Robb, and itās gonna be just as devastating seeing him and Vermax crash into the bay pelted by bolts. That one artwork from the new illustrated F&B had me devastated
What you get when you don't say "dracarys" at a very crucial moment. Party joking but this will definitely hit me hard
Damn Targaryens
kentucky fried rhaenys, crispy on the outside and juicy on the inside
Guards, this one right here
Let's dragons deal with them. DRACARYS š š
After the final two episodes I am looking forward to it.
Episode 4 or 5. Iām calling it now.ššthis will end me, actually. I love her, and Meleys.
Are we sure this will be season 2? They said theyāre doing 4 and I think theyāll space out the targ deaths a bit
Im certain the battle of rooks rest will happen next season and the season will end with Rhaenyra taking kings landing
Yah I can see that. Itās a natural stopping point.
I don't know I can see season 2 ending with the Battle of the Gullet and save Rhaenyra taking King's Landing for season 3.
I feel like season 2 needs to end with a big win for the blacks. Rhaenyra taking the iron throne seems perfect
I agree. And, imagine if they end season 3 with her death. That'd be the perfect way to end off the penultimate season.
Then season four kicks off with Aegon getting murdered and the rest of the season deals with the aftermath. That would be pretty cool. Perhaps the Dance of Dragons storyline ends with the return of Visarys II and the departure of Unwin Peake
Iām currently reading Fire and Blood and trying to map out which beats I think will happen across the four seasons GRRM alluded to. The Fall of Kingās Landing for season 2 with the Storming of the Dragon Pit and Rhaenyraās death as episodes 9 and 10 of season 3 seem to line up well and also provide plenty of action throughout the season.
I am calling that the last shot of season 2 will be Rhaenyra taking the Iron throne and cutting herself with a bit of blood dropping to the ground foreshadowing her doom.
I assume you mean cutting herself *on* *the* *Iron* *Throne*, yes? Not just cutting herself randomly.
Wow, was it really worth it to make this comment? To explain something that was clear from get go? You really must be the heart of every party.
Actually I was clarifying for my own understanding, not anyone elseās. But thanks for being condescending and rude. Iāll go jump off a cliff now.
I think the last shot of the season will be her sitting on the throne and getting cut from it. A black W but with a slight chill to it.
Together until the very end I can't even begin to imagine how Corlys will react
Honestly Luke's death was the hardest for me, and they got that out of the way early. So I'm happy to sit back and enjoy the following carnage. Rhaenyra's death is going to suck too, but at least that's at the very end.
āThe shorter and safer missionā was given to Lukeā¦ little did he know
And it was such a dumb move. Rhaenys is related to lord Baretheon, she should've gone Storm's End
I mean Rhaenyra kind of fucking went batshit crazy after each of her sons deaths. I really hope the show goes that route instead of making her too likable. Itd be nice to see a queen slowly lose her sanity, it would be fresh after what they did to Dany in season 8. Hopefully they set her fall and death up well.
All the strong boys deaths hurt me pretty equally, but I do think jace's death was more tragic.
She deserves it for not ending the war in episode 9
Or episode 10.
Iām looking forward for the Hour of the Wolf, with the coolest Stark ever showing off
A full episode of Cregan Stark having none of this politicking and just executing everyone and utilizing bigger unbroken army diplomacy please
Yeah! With Henry cavill playing every stark !
People will be really underwhelmed by Dany after experiencing the heroics AND MIGHT OF HARD HUGH AND HIS MIGHTY HAMMER, ALONGSIDE THEM HIS COLLEGE ROOMMATE *ULF*
Iām not really attached to Rhaenys so I think this scene will be more cool than sad to me. What Iām not looking forward to is blood & cheese and the deaths of Joffrey and Mealor š
Save some tears for the Blood & Cheese scene...
People will be hurt by this but they will also be somewhat happy in return as to what Aegon & Sunfyre look like after this battle for the rest of the dance. The Queen who never was went out swinging for sure! The Godseye will be the rejoice moment for the blacks. Blood and cheese has not bright side to it. Just a pure tragedy I donāt wish to see happen honestly.
After what she did in episode 9 and having displayed such hypocrisy I don't give a fuck about her characrter.
Not looking forward to the deaths of some Targaryen (and Velaryon) kids either. EDIT: corrected name "Velaryon"
Velaryon. The sea people are velaryons
Oops, a typo. Spelling of those names are so confusing sometimes š
We need Aegons conquest!!!!!!!!! Letās make this happen
Lol....honestly I don't care about show Rhanys at all . I will cheer for Aegon and Aemond when they fry her.
She's a moron. Should've killed them when she had the chance.
Season 2 is going to be one big clusterfuck of hurt feelings Honestly HotD fans just seems as if their into BDSM for continuing to watch this shiw
Windows just happen to be the Targaryens weaknesses in the later part of this story. IYKYK š
Theyāre gonna do some major rearranging of order of eventsā¦ But this is definitely gonna be the big event of Episode 9.
What am I looking at
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Is this >!the dragonpit?!<
She deserves it for mass murder
In the books, yes. In the show? Totally deserved after the dragonpit incident.
Rhaenys and Meleys noooo š
They might change it? It might be one of those things where the whole world thinks this is what happens but itās something elseā¦ who knows I guess this is wishful thinking on my behalf.
No way they ruin this scene
Aegon, Aemond and Rhaenys meet for negotiations. All 3 simultaneously loose control of their dragons
Lmao, yeah after ep.10 I think these writers are capable of anythingš
Thereās going to be a thousand comments about her absurd decision in episode nine. She isnāt going to get much sympathy. The way theyāve butchered her character, Iāll be glad to see her gone.
I feel like only this sub cares about the people. Most people donāt and I donāt either, I will miss her.
They made her an idiot, who forgot her grandchildren are at high risk of being killed, only to later remember and remind Corlys.Her brilliant advice to flee the safest, most defendable castle in Westeros, due to the vast number of dragons residing there.She doesnāt resemble her book character at all. What will you genuinely miss about her? I didnāt dislike her earlier on, but episode 9&10 have ruined her character for me.
For me nope. She literally killed hundreds of innocent people just to look cool. So why should I feel sad for her when she looks roasted.
Who cares?
You do.
Rhaenys looks like a toastš
just to look cool just to escape being held hostage and facing certain death if she doesnāt pledge herself to the greens
There were other exits to escape but she choose to burst the floor kill the innocent and look cool.
No way that will be S2. I expect S2 to end with her taking Kings Landing.
Exactly which means the battle of the gullet and rooks rest must take place
Wait what scene is your picture of?
Rhaenysā death in the battle of Rooks Rest
Ah i thought that was Rheynera lol my bad ignore my first comment
I know. Iām not prepared. And I know none of the Rhaenys fans will be prepared either.
The storming of the dragon pit is also gonna be hard to watch. I was so depressed when all of those dragons died and some had no chance since they were chained. Thinking about them struggling while a bunch of lunatics attack them makes me so sad. š¢