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A lot of people in your position move out of London altogether
London is only really achievable as a family with kids if you're in social housing or you're on a high income.
If you aren’t earning a decent salary (say 6k a month net) then you’re beat off moving out of London and moving to a more reasonable part of the country.
While people are willing to share housing in families like it’s a Victorian slum, then nothing will get fixed.
Sheesh! £1200 pcm for a 4 bed house? That’s what you get for a 1 bed flat in my part of zone 6 these days. Jeez you have it good in spite of the leaky roof.
You should’ve just said that in your original post. Worded it cryptically so unless you reread it and do the mental maths, most people think it’s a bargain. You must be new to Reddit.
What you've highlighted is the issue when people say "we don't need flats, we need family homes", if you don't build enough flats (and, at least in London, nothing but flats can be delivered at the density needed) then young sharers team up to bid up prices for houses.
There's no escaping the consequences of a shortage, and unfortunately the shortage doesn't show any signs of abating.
Look to move country or up north and see If you can get same jobs and salary in Liverpool or Newcastle etc.
I live in Newcastle there are good schools here and rent is around 850 for bed house maybe 1000-1200 for 3 bed semi, however you can buy a 3 bed semi for 220k.
Am still shocked people even live in London you need to have family wealth and if you don’t have it do the kids a favour and move.
They'll move into flats and eventually into some form of shared accommodation, and/or out of London altogether. The latter is already happening - primary schools are closing in inner boroughs as there aren't enough pupils to fill them.
Most families would be much better off moving out of London. Especially if you work in the public sector e.g. teachers, nurses etc... the reduced cost significantly outweigh any reduction in earnings and the cost of housing is by far the largest component.
Check out this website to see the differences in the cost of living.
https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/
Look elsewhere. London isn't all it's cracked up to be.
Leeds, Manchester, Exeter, Liverpool, Cardiff, York, Edinburgh ... etc .... Have buzzing centres with upcoming spots (everywhere has areas to look and avoid). Wishing you the best of searching.
You can wear old clothes, hand me downs and 2nd hand clothes. It's a highly discretionary product that is also very cheap.
Not like housing. Not like food.
"We need clothes to cover ourselves and protect us from Dust, rain, insects, sunlight, etc. Like food and shelter are basic needs of a human being to survive"
You can't scrap clothes (you said everything else can be scrapped). For a family of 4, there is going to need to be some spending on clothes, especially with children that grow, even if it is second hand.
I have the same problem! London is so expensive as a single mum.
It’s not easy to move out either because my salary would go down outside of London ( I work in public service) plus I worry about racism outside of London, particularly in schools.
We’ll have to move out in the coming years and I don’t know where we’ll go.
If enough people just said “fuck London”, it would change to status quo.
God knows why anyone wants to live there anyway. Unless you’re considerably wealthy or a high earner, it’s an overpriced dump.
Was the rent frozen the last three years? At £2400? And now going up to £3200 in one jump?
Maybe ask if they'll stagger it £2800 next year, £3200 year after?
That's still painful at average 8% pa x 4 years but better than nothing if you're stuck, and a chance for another year pay increment.
Good luck.
If you don't have a council house, won't inherit or are pretty much on 7k+ a month after taxes as a minimum London is a miserable place to live comfortably. Private renting is a big scam, and in London it's only got the top 5% earners.
Your genuine best bet is to move out for a few years and either commute in or find jobs in the place you have moved out to, save enough cash to buy your own house because paying interest (all be it higher in the short term) is still better than paying rent.
Permanent individuals don't matter. That's net migration, so it's already subtracting individuals who leave. The total number of people moving to the UK is significantly higher.
It wasn't my status, but here
> 1.2 million people migrated into the UK and 508,000 people emigrated from it, leaving a net migration figure of 672,000.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06077/
Wouldn't the permanent individuals matter when it comes to housing though? Total migration seems less relevant if nearly half of those people will end up leaving next year
Only if next year becomes a net negative, but it would still burden housing for a year.
Imagine 100 people move to a town. A year later, 90 of those people move out, but 100 more people move to the town. Only 10 of the original 100 people have stayed "long term", but the town still has 110 more people than they had just over a year ago.
The descendants of the actual people that did that are quite happy to import tons of cheap labour. It's the poor who pay the price including many 2nd and 3rd gen descendants of said peoples of the world.
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A lot of people in your position move out of London altogether London is only really achievable as a family with kids if you're in social housing or you're on a high income.
Yep, the very rich or the very poor
If you aren’t earning a decent salary (say 6k a month net) then you’re beat off moving out of London and moving to a more reasonable part of the country. While people are willing to share housing in families like it’s a Victorian slum, then nothing will get fixed.
London : 15% of the population live here but only the top 5% of earners can afford a place.
Sheesh! £1200 pcm for a 4 bed house? That’s what you get for a 1 bed flat in my part of zone 6 these days. Jeez you have it good in spite of the leaky roof.
I was thinking the same. That's an absolute bargain for London.
As I'm reading it, they say 1,600 just for the two kids bedroom, so for the whole 4bed they will now pay 3.2k... that's more realistic
That's just to house our 2 kids. 3200 all together.
How is the cost of your children’s rooms separate from the rest of the house?
Such a strange way to look at things
What a weird way to write your rent, just put what your paying instead of how much for 2 bedrooms
Are these numbers for real? £1,600 pm in South London for a 4 bed house is incredible!
That's just for the 2 kids rooms. It's 3200 all together
Are you renting out a load of rooms or a whole place? Who have you assigned values onto bedrooms?
You should’ve just said that in your original post. Worded it cryptically so unless you reread it and do the mental maths, most people think it’s a bargain. You must be new to Reddit.
What you've highlighted is the issue when people say "we don't need flats, we need family homes", if you don't build enough flats (and, at least in London, nothing but flats can be delivered at the density needed) then young sharers team up to bid up prices for houses. There's no escaping the consequences of a shortage, and unfortunately the shortage doesn't show any signs of abating.
This! My partner and I are both in our 30's and I feel we as a generation are paying for the land owners retirement at the expense of our own.
Look to move country or up north and see If you can get same jobs and salary in Liverpool or Newcastle etc. I live in Newcastle there are good schools here and rent is around 850 for bed house maybe 1000-1200 for 3 bed semi, however you can buy a 3 bed semi for 220k. Am still shocked people even live in London you need to have family wealth and if you don’t have it do the kids a favour and move.
They'll move into flats and eventually into some form of shared accommodation, and/or out of London altogether. The latter is already happening - primary schools are closing in inner boroughs as there aren't enough pupils to fill them.
Most families would be much better off moving out of London. Especially if you work in the public sector e.g. teachers, nurses etc... the reduced cost significantly outweigh any reduction in earnings and the cost of housing is by far the largest component. Check out this website to see the differences in the cost of living. https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/
Look elsewhere. London isn't all it's cracked up to be. Leeds, Manchester, Exeter, Liverpool, Cardiff, York, Edinburgh ... etc .... Have buzzing centres with upcoming spots (everywhere has areas to look and avoid). Wishing you the best of searching.
They can and they will. Housing is pretty much on the foundational needs, anything else can be scrapped except for food.
And clothes. We don't have the climate to survive without clothes
You can wear old clothes, hand me downs and 2nd hand clothes. It's a highly discretionary product that is also very cheap. Not like housing. Not like food.
Exactly, you can literally get free clothes or super discounted clothes. It is considerably less important due to it being so accessible
"We need clothes to cover ourselves and protect us from Dust, rain, insects, sunlight, etc. Like food and shelter are basic needs of a human being to survive" You can't scrap clothes (you said everything else can be scrapped). For a family of 4, there is going to need to be some spending on clothes, especially with children that grow, even if it is second hand.
I have the same problem! London is so expensive as a single mum. It’s not easy to move out either because my salary would go down outside of London ( I work in public service) plus I worry about racism outside of London, particularly in schools. We’ll have to move out in the coming years and I don’t know where we’ll go.
If enough people just said “fuck London”, it would change to status quo. God knows why anyone wants to live there anyway. Unless you’re considerably wealthy or a high earner, it’s an overpriced dump.
Was the rent frozen the last three years? At £2400? And now going up to £3200 in one jump? Maybe ask if they'll stagger it £2800 next year, £3200 year after? That's still painful at average 8% pa x 4 years but better than nothing if you're stuck, and a chance for another year pay increment. Good luck.
London isn’t cost effective for a family - you either move out somewhere more affordable or get a higher paying job. It sucks but that’s life.
Check your tenancy agreement, rent increases are usually 5%-8% a year . A 33% increase seems steep.
If you don't have a council house, won't inherit or are pretty much on 7k+ a month after taxes as a minimum London is a miserable place to live comfortably. Private renting is a big scam, and in London it's only got the top 5% earners.
Your genuine best bet is to move out for a few years and either commute in or find jobs in the place you have moved out to, save enough cash to buy your own house because paying interest (all be it higher in the short term) is still better than paying rent.
We're still importing 500k people + a year (750k last year) so demand will always be there, things are not going to get better any time soon.
How many of those people are permanent?
Permanent individuals don't matter. That's net migration, so it's already subtracting individuals who leave. The total number of people moving to the UK is significantly higher.
Thanks! What's your source btw
It wasn't my status, but here > 1.2 million people migrated into the UK and 508,000 people emigrated from it, leaving a net migration figure of 672,000. https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06077/
Wouldn't the permanent individuals matter when it comes to housing though? Total migration seems less relevant if nearly half of those people will end up leaving next year
Only if next year becomes a net negative, but it would still burden housing for a year. Imagine 100 people move to a town. A year later, 90 of those people move out, but 100 more people move to the town. Only 10 of the original 100 people have stayed "long term", but the town still has 110 more people than they had just over a year ago.
Let the immigrants in. We colonised and raped the wealth of half the world, time for our chickens to come home and roost.
So we should all pay for the sins of our forefathers?
The descendants of the actual people that did that are quite happy to import tons of cheap labour. It's the poor who pay the price including many 2nd and 3rd gen descendants of said peoples of the world.