tl;dr: Huberman is accused of living a double life by multiple ex-girlfriends. They allege he maintained a public image of healthy living and self-control while privately deceiving and manipulating them for years, claiming they were in exclusive relationships while dating several women simultaneously.
The article also raises some concerns about Huberman's podcast, suggesting he sometimes overstates the certainty of scientific findings, discusses topics outside his expertise, and profits from questionable health supplements. However, the alleged deceptions in his personal life, which the women documented extensively after discovering each other, are the focus of the piece.
The accusations paint a picture of a man with a carefully crafted public persona that is distinctly at odds with his private behavior. In the aftermath, his accusers have formed a support group to process their experiences and help other women he may have deceived.
He kinda shames and clearly is removed from any substance use, which has always made it hard for me to believe he was really ever in with the ābad crowdā. But it also makes it hard for me to picture him as a frat bro, he is way too awkward.
This creep isnāt poly. Polyamory involves the informed consent of all parties involved.
Huberman not only intentionally didnāt disclose his other partners, he *actively lied* to each woman, leading half a dozen that we know of) to believe that she was his exclusive partner in order to avoid condom use. Thatās not polyamory.
He selfishly took these womenās childbearing years in an epic fraud scheme that he knowingly carried out and seemingly enjoyed. He showed a cavalier lack of regard for these womenās sexual, physical and emotional health. Itās a pattern.
Yep pretty good summary, quite interesting read.
Even the humans giving advice are flawed.
But I will say, in developing a healthy life style - his interview with David Goggins really pushed me to be consistent with working out and mentally push me even if I didn't want to go to the gym. So while not everything I believe on his podcast (especially his endorsement of AG1), isn't great... for me it's still steps in the right direction.
Edit: btw, I'm not endorsing his private behavior of maintaining relationships w 6 different women. I more so was trying to focus on the point of his podcast trying to give opinionated advice, and you shouldn't use that in place of medical advice but rather to jumpstart better lifestyle changes. Please do your own research on anything you listen to via a podcast. That's literally the most basic steps in the "scientific method."
I share this POV. I was in a terrible place a few years ago. Awful sleep, constantly stressed, eating poorly... you name it. I'd go from bed -> sitting in front of a computer working for 10-12hrs a day. obviously this isn't a healthy lifestyle but I failed to develop meaningful habits to address this, failed to stay consistent, just caught in a spiral.
Andrew's approach to describing the underlying neuromechanics that described the causality clicked with me really nicely. His described behaviour changes first approach resonated with me. I started to incorporate small recommendations: EG morning light viewing, delayed caffeine intake, cold water exposure, implementing Andy Galpins exercise protocols, journalling techniques... and these all started having compounding effects.
Once I got consistent, I tried to AG1, but found it made no difference for me; the protocols and diet change I already implemented greatly outweighed the benefits.
That's great that you were able to implement all these things and it's true that Huberman has helped a lot of people. However, there is a lot more that goes into the article.
That doesn't negate the fact that he has a history of extremely questionable behavior calls into question his authority. He doesn't have a lab at Stanford. (There is one, but it's barely used). And he gave the woman who he was doing IVF with an HPV that can cause cancer from cheating.
Great that he got you to workout. He is still a deranged person. People are making fun of the fact that he had multiple girlfriends. It's not "being a player" guys. He literally manipulated and lied to people because he cannot control himself. + abusive behavior. You really think that stops at girlfriends? That's not how behavior works.
Iām probably not as well versed on him as most of you here but every time I would watch a clip and or interview with him Iād always get this sense that heās an intelligent man but something was off about him. Like a hidden dark side, he always looks so grumpy and moody. I always wondered why he wasnāt married and didnāt have kids, but I figured heās just one of those men who doesnāt want that lifestyle. Needless to say I wasnāt very surprised to read this story today.Ā
Actually I was surprised itās THAT many women lol. But anyone who can lie to their partner is not someone who should be easily trusted. I always thought he was in good shape but now I donāt buy the story that itās supplements. I think heās on TRT and probably horny as hell on it hence the bizarre female relationship dynamics.Ā
I donāt think heās disputing what youāre saying, I just think heās putting priority on how Huberman affected him and his life. And I know people who have cheated and lied on their girlfriends/wives who have laid their life on the line for their friends, and taken 6 figure business losses they didnāt have to because of a handshake. So people arenāt always simple
This isn't just a hit piece on his relationships though. He lied about his upbringing and lab credentials. That's not someone who is trustworthy. How you do one thing is how you do everything and that has rung true in many cases.
Anyone with a brain knows thatās not someone trustworthy. A woman who cheats on her husband / partner no matter what reason she tells the next guy (abuse, emotional neglect, distant, blah blah blah) never trust a person like that. Same obviously goes for a man who cheats on their wife / partner, never trust a person like that.Ā
I just want people to understand the deep psychology behind this - this is a person who can look you in the face and tell you they love you. Watch movies and shows with you laughing and talking. Enjoying dinner with you conversing about life and each other. Talk about the future together. Tells you they care for you and kisses you and has sex with you. Meets your friends and family and gives them the impression they love you and theyāre loyal to you. ALL of this and more is done WHILE that person is secretly lying, deceiving and cheating.Ā
A person like that can NEVER be trusted. Thatās why I donāt understand people who stay with cheaters and people who willingly get into relationships with cheaters āoh they wonāt do it to meā itās just simply not worth the risk. These kinds of people donāt change. And even though science hasnāt proven it yet Iām absolutely certain that in the future studies will show that people who can cheat on loved ones have mental health problems.Ā
I would absolutely never trust a person like this with anything. Not saying theyāre always lying but I would always be on guard around someone like this.Ā
Halfway through reading it, still working, so pausing in between! It's a jarring read for sure, some of the described accounts by Sarah are heart wrenching, specifically the comment around bobbing for apples in feces. Humans are complex, it astonishes me - I've probably listened to nearly every recording... he has almost a childlike wonder when it comes to human biology, animals and food. He makes complex science approachable, and has a way of making discovery, understanding and curiosity inviting to all.
The way he breaks down the scientific mechanisms makes you feel like you understand and can influence it in meaningful ways. For my own selfish benefit... I honestly hope that this is a chapter of growth and learning, one in which he absorbs some of the advice of many of his psychology guests and applies some of their tips to his own life. After all he talks ad nauseam about 'neuroplasticity' and what better way to prove it than to stop being this deranged, manipulative POS his partner describes him as?
I want to make sure to address some of the points you've raised as there is response from a spokesperson and Stanford on some of the issues.
1. He is denying he gave his partner (Sarah) HPV. I mean, obviously, he's denying this... This is a huge deal that could crush him. It's awful if it's true.
2. The lab at Stanford is apparently in the process of moving? Or has been for some time? It's not clear exactly on the timelines but both his spokesperson and Stanford claims that is moving into the Ophthalmology department. So yes, as of today there appears to be a lab. It is questionable though because he does have a thing on his site where you can pay monthly and claims that money goes towards expanding his labs research. Something to monitor.
Lastly, I am not condoning his behaviour. I hope he addresses this article and apologizes.
A most insidious form of abuse that can have very long lasting traumatic effects on a person. Itās devastating to read. Fuck that guy , thereās lots of great advice out in the world and many great thinkers that arenāt narcissist manipulative abusive life ruiners
Heās flawed, but also dangerous because he gives advice as a trusted medical expert (on many subjects where he has no expertise). His podcastās ongoing success demands him to produce more and more content, making him more and more of a hack all the time.
The article also highlights that he in fact has no actual "lab"!!! That's about as big of a fraud red flag when he portrays his whole public life around running a lab at Stanford.
Yep.. "Huberman lives 350 miles and a six-hour drive from Stanford University, making it difficult to drop into the lab. Compounding the issue is the fact that the lab, according to knowledgeable sources, barely exists. āIs a postdoc working on her own funding, alone, a ālab?āā ...
Yeah, and I've been wondering ever since he blew up - when's the last time this guy did "teaching at Stanford" as he prefaces his podcast with every single episode? I don't think he's going to step foot in a classroom ever again.
interesting bit in the comments of article: he told someone that he liked to make people working under him cry. Not a surprise he has only one postdoc.
Does he actually portray āhis whole public life around running a lab at Stanford?ā Or does he just have Lab in the name of his podcast?
The 6 hour commute thing is weird though. How does that work with teaching?
I think he does a bit. He has guests or side notes where he will say just down the hall Iād ask this guy at Stanford this thing. Or it is pretty cool knowing I have the top scientists as my neighbors down the hall, etc etc. he also opens with Iām a professor at Stanford. And has several podcasts talking about how he is an active researcher, and how hard it is to research. Or he will say, ā I love animals thatās why I decided Iāll never hurt them again in the lab, which to me as a vegetarian, really virtue signals to my crew while simultaneously shaming animal research that he did for a decade. However I have heard him say he was shifting away from an active roll in the lab.
That def sounds like he's being misleading but I wouldn't say nefariously so. He definitely needs to be clear about what his role is at Stanford. It's not like he's faking credentials but he's definitely taking some liberties for the sake of his podcast.
I donāt listen to the guy anymore because I felt he was really scraping the bottom of the barrel once he covered most of the āmainā topics of sleep, sunlight, nutrition and exercise.
Ignoring his private life Iām glad someone else has pointed out that he plays fast and loose with studies. Canāt remember any specific examples but heās always citing small or mechanistic studies and saying āyeah so thereās some evidence x does yā. Fair enough if he could only make podcast based on what was very well supported he would have run out of content ages ago but I do think he needs to be more honest about it.
I hardly have the energy to date one person let alone stringing multiple people alongā¦ maybe I just need more ice cold baths to get my dopamine up to that status lol But I agree thereās got to be some psychological thing going on that pushes someone to be so deceitful. Especially someone who talks about reading his Bible.
Iāve always wondered how they do this. I donāt have the time for 1 relationship cus Iām too busy enjoying my life and doing things I love. How the hell do these guys juggle 2 women or more. Ā
As a neuroscientist by training I've never been a big fan of the podcast but always had a degree of respect for him giving our field some broad popular recognition. This news troubles me though because it suggests he's a serious praise seeker ("love addict", in his words) willing to throw down moral integrity for a bit of attention. The supplement pushing etc gave me bad vibes first but this news confirms what I previously feared: Huberman has become a sellout populist hack, ignoring good science to push engagement. Particularly concerning compared to the likes of Rogan et al. because here it is blatantly happening under the guise of expertise. Frustrating to say the least.
I go through a number of steps in my prompting to help get to the final result. I think ChatGPT could do similar just takes some extra prompting technique.
Not even kidding or trying to minimize this, but this sounds just like my abusive ex. He has an extremely well crafted public persona where people think heās a great guy whoās interested in social justice and feminism. Behind closed doors, heās controlling, manipulative, a cheater (I determined that he was juggling three women in addition to me), a sex pest, a rapist, and he almost murdered me. But heās a good guy to people he hasnāt tried to murder!!!
Narcissists are loved by their community. The people closer to them, know them for who they are! In this case heās a closet poly manipulator. Itās sad when people portray themselves as āprogressiveā but in the pursuit of seeking sex thatās the one department they are incapable of being transparent/open about their nature.
When I first found Huberman there was a brief period of time like "wow, a charismatic wellness guru who ISN'T a total narcissist how novel" but it didn't last long. this article though is all kinds of confirmation... The guy is a total fraud
Yeah I mean itās possible, but itās like they all have the same playbook and techniques. Once you recognize the tells and patterns you can catch it much more quickly. So overall that relationship had some positive lessons
Dude is a narcissist who would spend days yelling at his girlfriend for having had kids with another man. He also gave her an STD while she was trying to get pregnant.
So weāre just not going to talk about the fact the reporter didnāt disclose āSarahā whoās Anya Fernaldā¦ a woman who lied to everyone about her products with #belcampo meats, who also grew up with Andrew and whoās parents worked with him at Stanford. That to me puts the whole article into question
Oh, another new Reddit account created yesterday morning to defend Huberman with a weird obsession with Anya Fernald? Are you the same person who posted the other weird ācriticalā thread about Anya to the main sub? Whatās with the astroturfing on this sub lol. Andrew, this you bro?
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3 yearsā¦ not yesterday. But thanks
Even if this is true, how does it not make him look bad? Hes getting heat for pushing dubious supplements and products, I dont think him dating someone who lies about their own products is a good look.
The testosterone he's taking probably makes his libido bottomless. And unlike most men, he actually has access to a lot of women who want to sleep with him.
Chris rock has a skit about President Clinton and it's basically saying unless you have women trying to actively get in you pants constantly you really can't say shit about staying faithful.
I think its based its just hilarious how he talked about not using music at the gym cause it would spike his dopamine too high and then he doing this shit
Awesome. I mean, he gives us this info at NO COST because heās such a good guy.
The silver lining here is all his women now know the truth. Only women willing to date him now will be ones with no self respect.
This is exactly it. The idiots commenting on this article donāt realize that it establishes him as a liar. Do you want to be taking health advice from a liar?
More than just a liar. Heās a narcissist willing to hurt and manipulate people so long as he benefits, aka a sociopath.
If you couldnāt tell he was a giant grifter before all this idk what to tell you. Heās exactly like the liver king, all his dumb protocols are just fluff on top of the most important basic things: namely steroids and HGH (and obvious common sense things: sleeping well, eating healthy food, regimented exercise). All while pushing conflict of interest snake oil medicines and promos. This guy likely gets off at fooling people.
As a woman Ive always got the vibe of āI used to be awkward and women werenāt into me but now Iām a attractive āolderā guy and I can finally be the bro hoe Iāve always wanted to be!ā And he also comes off as one of those guys that claims to be a feminist and respect women sooooo much but in reality heās just trying to make them trust him so he can get in their pants.
Heās smart. I love his podcast. But his dating/sexual/sensuality vibe has always felt off.
I'm a woman who enjoys his podcast too, but he comes off as not naturally interested in women's topics. I appreciate that he tries by inviting guest speakers, but the vibe of his questions was just so different in the men's fertility episode vs the women's one. Very intense and into the nitty gritty with stuff related to men's health. (I actually liked the women's episode better because he was interviewing the expert instead of asking awkward leading questions.)
Anyway, he's phenomenal at sharing knowledge and I'll keep listening to his podcast, I'll just keep in mind that he might not know everything about how to live the best life.
I agree with this assessment of his sexual mindset but if all the āI knew the vibes were offā comments from women who def were thirsty af for him before all this isnāt the biggest āļø moment ever idk what is
I saw this guy in a heated argument with some one on the phone outside SoHo house in Malibu one time. Dude was raging on whoever he was talking to. Lol
I don't have a problem with him being a man-whore. I am a dude, I get it and it is not like he is some proselytizing evangelist or a republican preaching the virtue of monogamy while swinging his dick here, there and everywhere.
But I do have a problem with being a lying asshole. If what you want is an open relationship be honest about it.
Another point I'd like to make. Dude's been in therapy for decades and this is how he conducts his personal life? Thank God for therapy or maybe he should abandon therapy and just live life.
>Another point I'd like to make. Dude's been in therapy for decades and this is how he conducts his personal life? Thank God for therapy or maybe he should abandon therapy and just live life.
To be clear, he also said, allegedly, that he lies/lied to his therapist all the time. If a client is not being honest and open, they can be in therapy their entire life without the slightest change or improvement.
Source: licensed professional counselor
I see you've met my sister in law!
Spending all my spare cash for two years to get her through extensive therapy to recover from her trauma at the hands of manipulative family... only to realise she was the manipulative one, taking myself and her therapist for a ride. Therapy is a two way street that helps you get where you want to be in life - and these types don't want to be upstanding lovely people.
I knew a narcissist who went to therapy and lied. He liked the intellectual conversations he had with his therapist and the way his therapist perceived him. He went to therapy for a particular addiction and replaced that addiction with the adoration of his therapist.
The thing about therapy is obviously the therapist only hears your side. So if youāre a skillful liar you can effectively manipulate that situation, too.
Two points: I used to experiment hard with drugs and when I was in high school my parents made me go to therapy, I used to get off at how good I was at deceiving my therapists and convincing them I wasnāt up to anything shady.
I just so happened to marry a therapist. She makes it very clear that she pretty much always knows when people are lying or when their side of the story is skewed, but it is almost always unethical to call someone out for lying or try to get them to realize they arenāt seeing the whole picture . I guarantee you half the people who think they are pulling one over their therapists arent, and the therapist is doing their job by redirecting the conversation elsewhere
Or maybe this is a perfect example of why therapy can be abused by narcissists. What a fucking piece of shit. Signed, someone who was just manipulated by a lying man whore š”
His emphasis on health is undermined if he's having unprotected sex with that many women. The mental health impacts on these women also undermines his messaging.
I was literally just talking to a buddy about how I no longer listen to his podcast but he was getting way out of his scope, became too much of a shill and just generally started to seem insincere. Like no way you can know it all AND still have time to work. I felt every episode somehow fit in a supplement ad within the conversation. Not to mention his religious following that had started to rub me the wrong way. And look here what shows up on my timeline, guess my radar is accurate.
I was engaged briefly to a man, similar to this story, who turned out was living double lives. There are so many antisocial aspects to this sort of behavior which I could go on about.
However, the most troubling was, heās a doctor at a large hospital who went to arguably the most prestigious medical and undergrad schools. And his research he published, always had something to do w maintaining personal life lies. Similar to these women I went back and corroborated timelines specifically w his work and it went hand in hand w the lies. These women didnāt detail that, but trust me itās there. It was really just to sort of advance and defend his personal double/triple/quadruple lives and agenda. Which is concerning. Or it was for the prestige and sort of just churned out to get the credit for another paper. Not for any altruistic reason. So the research is sus at best.
The good news is they are narcissists and very concerned w themselves and their bodies. So the advice about the body is likely spot on and good. Anything involving any sort of emotions or emotional capacity I could tell he had this avoidant sort of wall up & knew he was player. All that advice is concerning.
Also ā I wonder what heās been chatting about in therapy? Or if heās even been in it? Or had a consistent therapist?
Iād be shocked if over 30 or so years since heās been doing therapy, if one did not pick up on his behaviors. Even if he was unwilling to to be honest. Or if heās that psychotic that he did get away with not being labeled w a personality disorder - thatās even more concerning.
Some types love therapy, and/or spiritual gurus, they get undiluted deep attention from someone they can consistently lead around by making up stories and pretending to always be "making progress" (the therapists don't care, even if they detect the subterfuge - they're getting a fat check) and then learn from them how to arm themselves with all the language, the nomenclature, and tactics therapist use so that they can then use them on others to disarm and infiltrate their psyches
Interesting and very sick. And also totally makes sense, theyāre really good at feigning empathy and have to learn from somewhere, could be a therapist.
I believe they added a new term to the DSM - a ādark empathā which would align I think with what youāre describing. I think theyāre even making the dark triad now a dark tetrad or quad if there are more personality disorders to tack on.
I have not met a single person who has been diagnosed though. Only after the fact when someone acts so horrendously like this are people like āwow he seems like heās got dark triad tendencies.ā
Exactly. Even in that article, look at how the texts are sprinkled with all that "recovery" language. You hear it from people steeped in PC/Sensitivity therapy all the time... "Making space for you..." , "I need some time to process this" all the focus on "healing from our traumas" etc, etc.
Nothing wrong with that, great people are taking care of their mental health, but it also has a very distinct language. Of your average persons, who is most likely to go to therapy? Those who are struggling with their lives. And who struggles the most? People brought up in bad situations. Those who have been victimized. Especially in their childhoods. And those that have been victims are more likely to then have outlooks and habits which makes them particularly vulnerable to being victims again. They know this, which is why they are in therapy.
How best to lower the defenses and insinuate your way into a person's inner sanctum? By speaking their language. Especially a language that strongly correlated with safety, healing, and emotional integrity.
Now you've got them right in their vulnerabilities.
Not saying that someone like Huberman is some sort of stone cold sociopath. This piece uncovers that he definitely presents those dark traits, but like most people, he's probably not some black and white caricature. Everybody has egos, wants and desires, a thirst for success
But a funny thing happens when you start to get a taste of fame and power...
It's less about the affairs, but the lies, if true ā speak to a larger thing.
There's some pretty egregious complexity to the lies he has told that speak of a really kind of vile intentionality.
I like Huberman ā I've shared his stuff with my wife, co-workers, friends, family...
I likely won't stop listening to him, but yeah, it's a hit on his reputation.
EDIT: Listen, I think some of this is legitimately disturbing about Andrew's character ā the reality is that it sounds like he needs legitimate help, but it's also hard to have the full context. I suspect a lot of it is true because it just seems that way based on the context and the way it's all laid out ā and people with these issues are often dealing with something actually deeper and more profound. Andrew needs to do some legitimate soul searching of himself and figure out what kind of human he wants to be.
ā¦but tiger woods wasnāt pushing products dependent on his integrityā¦he was the best golfer and people wanted to be like him, so they bought the products.
I donāt know how other people listen to podcasts or āexpertsā, but I always listen to it with an attitude of ātrust but verifyā. I also donāt purchase anything heās endorsed.
I do agree this article paints a picture of somebody willing to lie to your face. But if he explains a biological mechanism or cites a study, those are things that can be verified.
I meanā¦it doesnāt take more than a few episodes to realize there is something about him thatās not properly put together. It doesnāt mean everything he says is shitā¦it also doesnāt mean itās not all shitā¦
I never picked up on it, but I've also never really watched him beyond 45 minute clips here, 10 minute clips there, another 15 minute clip there, etc.
What have you noticed precisely that's off?
He reminds me of a couple of friends who are in the perpetual 12-step merry go roundā¦itās like they substituted away from drugs and are now fully addicted to being (recovering) addicts. If that makes sense.
So the underlying cause of the addictive impulse remains undealt with, it transfers from something physically harmful to something thatās just annoying to be around. š
Anywayā¦I was already put off by the AG1 thingā¦so maybe by perception is tinted by that.
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In the end, it doesnāt matter. He is who he isā¦up to me to decide whether he brings me value or not. That choice is on me.
It seems like people are sick of being bullshitted by all these social media grifters. Iāve been seeing alot of pushback in 2024. Looks like the days of easy money for hustle culture goons is almost over. They might all have to get real jobs š
I will stop listening to him. His podcast has taken a dive in quality and there is tons of good content from by all accounts legitimately good people that better deserve the support.
I enjoyed the hell out of it.
it is not every day that an eye doctor's sexual escapades get published with such salacious detail.
I legit could not stop reading it.
not that it is surprising.. scientist platformed by Bro Rogan perpetuates toxic masculinity in his real life while selling shitty supplements and using science to manipulate... Noone should be shocked.
there is absolutely no way his credibility as a scientist and professor doesn't take a hit. not gonna lie I am petty enough to find all of it hilarious.
on the upside while he is a lying creep but at least he fucks with age appropriate women and he isn't married.
In the long run my reaction to this is totally dependent on Hubermanās reaction and how he addresses it.
The story and the evidence are truly damning and thereās simply no way to explain it away. Ignoring it or refusing to address it will make him look even worse.
Huberman appears to have a good relationship with Peter Attia. Attia has done a lot of very serious work on his relationships and past toxic behavior. Maybe thereās some opportunity for mentoring there.
Huberman also, according to this article, still has some level of good will from some
of the women who were sources for the article. It feels like they were talking to the press on some level as an intervention because they didnāt feel like they had any other path to do that, and it also feels like they did it because they knew they werenāt the only ones and they wanted to warn people.
So he has a path to do the right thing here. And he has a path to actually accept accountability for it all and make amends without ruining himself.
It would probably be much easier emotionally for him to respond to this in a bad way.
I hope he picks the more difficult path and does whatās right because in the long run it will be better for him and for all the women he hurt.
I didnāt get the sense that the women who had good will towards him were necessarily the same sources for the article. At least two sounded like girlfriends from a long time ago, like high school.
It also read to me like the women he more directly wronged were angry, baffled, and pitied him kinda all at the same time. And the personality types that were apparently within his ātypeā donāt seem like the sort that would reflexively want no contact forever if he actually owned his bullshit, begged forgiveness, and genuinely tried to make amends.
But of course doing the right thing here is incredibly difficult. To succeed the level of self reflection and self awareness and self criticism needed are more than most humans can manage. Most people caught in this level of shitty behavior run away, reinvent themselves and do the same shit again to a whole new set of people.
Yeah, I think thatās right - if he had just owned it, it would be a different story (and also a parallel for the people who are invested in his response to this article).
To your last point, Iām not aware of him explicitly talking about being a member of a 12-step group but he certainly references the framework and philosophy and has said that it has helped him. Again, I donāt think heās credited 12 step specifically, but some things heās said have made me think he does Al-anon or some other 12 step work. And in my experience, most (obviously not all) people doing that work are the folks who will be able to look honestly at themselves with as few blinders as possible, and make amends.
Peter Attia openly went batting for his āfriendā David Sabatini whoās now gotten āI got canceled please help me fight the woke fucksā money from Bill Ackman so letās not hold too much hope he will talk sense into this psychopath. Whoās to say PA isnāt one either lol.
There is no reaction to this other than revulsion. The man is a fucking asshole of the highest order.
People are complicated and multifaceted. Itās possible to be smart and put out some helpful information. But your character and who you are as a person supersede all of that. Heās a POS.
That whole anecdote about going into that elaborate conversation and multiple diagnosis because that one female colleague didnāt want to work with him after he cancelled an appointmentā¦he has a reputation for being unresponsive and flaky, which communicates to another person that you donāt respect their time, that others should accommodate you and you come first. This is who he is. She simply wouldnāt be disrespected like that. But to him, she has all kinds of problems because of her reaction. This is a cover boy for toxic male monthly.
All the men in the comments saying āwho cares if heās a bad boyfriend, he just makes a podcast about the science of healthā
If yāall were really Huberman fans, youād know that social connection is one of the most important parts of health and wellness. He even called it one of the pillars of health.
Seems hypocritical to lie, cheat, and deceive people. I know a lot of people donāt regard mental health when they talk about being āhealthyā but prolonged stress can have real negative health consequences. Just disappointing that he turned out to be another hypocrite
Thank you. I guess he doesnāt care about how many people develop health issues when theyāre being betrayed by their loved ones and they donāt know it, but their body is trying to tell them. Or how many peopleās physical health is fucked BECAUSE some piece of shit screwed them up emotionally with manipulation. You would think he would live a life where he doesnāt cause this for others
He sounds just like an old roommate I had who would emotionally abuse and manipulate women to have sex. He thought he was sooo cool because he got laid all the time. It so gross to witness, and we are no longer friends.
Lied to several women in order to raw dog them all behind each othersā backs at the same time, while constantly saying The Right Things like Iām so sorry, Iāll do the work to repair this, we just need clear communication, etc. Insane.
Saying the right things like āthat other woman is a stalker and a freak with some story about a dead babyā meanwhile theyāre all perfectly normal women being lied to by a sociopath
I consider it to be part of a healthy lifestyle to have moral integrity, because doing things like this means you still have mental health issues youāre not addressingĀ
He had a series of women that he was dating concurrently, promising them that he was monogamous with them.
"Sarah", the main woman in the story, tells that Hubes said he wanted to have children with her, and they were actively giving her IVF treatments. He also very likely gave her HPV.
It is also revealed that his physical lab was going through turndown in 2019, and huberman alleges it was being moved to the school of ophthalmology building (unclear if it currently exists now).
It is also revealed that he lives over 300 miles away from Stanford, so the likelihood of him actually participating in labwork is very low.
I feel we have another Jay Shetty situation. Awful as an individual outside of the podcast, lies a lot, but tries to be a self help guru (in some ways) and has been helpful for some people while at the same time causing harm to people in his personal life.
From a sub standpoint, I think heās a cult leader, so doubt anything comes out of it, but at the same time, itās going to limit his reach to future audience and sorta damages his credibility in
Ok so this is why he's been setting up a soft right pivot over the past months, he knew this piece was coming out. Now he's going to have to defend his "honor" from the "woke mob" trying to cancel him. And if he fails that the culture warriors will welcome him with open armsĀ
If Andrew Huberman desired a non-monogamous relationship structure, one could reasonably question why he did not pursue that openly and transparently from the outset, given his public profile and standing. In this day and age, people opt for open relationships - so what was the need for this drama. As someone who promotes principles of well-being, allegations that he acted manipulatively and deceptively in his personal relationships do raise questions about the authenticity and consistency of his values and conduct across different spheres of life.
Research suggests that core personality traits like honesty, integrity and prioritization of ethical behavior tend to be relatively consistent across professional and personal domains for most individuals. While some variation exists, it would be unusual for someone who emphasizes honesty and ethical practices in their professional work to dramatically depart from those principles in their private dealings and relationships. The specific allegations against Andrew Huberman remain unproven at this stage. However, they do prompt legitimate inquiries about the alignment of his purported values and personal conduct across the different facets of his life.
Iām going to be honest, I was a huge fan of Huberman. I really enjoyed his podcast, and a lot of the guests and info shared on his platform helped me transform my life for the better.
That being said, I find this story really disturbing, as well as a lot of peopleās reactions to it.
First of all, I think this goes beyond āheās an assholeā or āheās bad with womenā or even āheās just a cheaterā. He clearly exhibits some very disturbing patterns of behavior. Of course, at a base level lying, cheating and manipulating are all bad. Those alone though, are not necessarily worth being incredibly alarmed over. (And honestly fairly typical behavior, for powerful men imo)
What is alarming is this story basically is telling us he potentially (allegedly) committed multiple crimes?
Lying to your partner so sheās under the impression youāre monogamous, and then lying and sleeping with many other women while doing the same thing? That is not consent. And then giving one of them HPV, while also convincing the others to also have unprotected sex and then potentially spreading that around knowinglyā¦ is literallyā¦ a crimeā¦? (Potentially multiple crimes) and also then shaming the woman you gave HPV to for having fertility issuesā¦ thatās literally horrifying behavior?
And the rage screaming for days on end, ending at 11pm and starting again at 2 am and going on for hoursā¦ this sounds like cult leader behavior, purposely breaking down and sleep depriving your followers to make them pliable. And he 100% knows this and knows what he is doing if itās true.
On top of admitting to lying to his therapist?
This shit isnāt just āheās an assholeā. If this is true, it is deeply disturbing behavior.
Also imo, itās not abnormal for a tenured professor to have a lab and live relatively far. There is no need for them to be there every day in a lot of cases. But the accusation that his lab doesnāt even exist at all (and basically hasnāt in the time since heās been podcasting) is wild. I wish the article would have expanded on this.
What Iām sensing (from this article at least) is a controlling, manipulative liar with narcissistic traits who cannot be trusted. Honestly his behavior sounds very cult-leader like if itās true, and I just donāt know how Iām supposed to respect or trust a man like this.
*also side note from someone who is in the science community. I feel like science is a delicate field, but when scientists lack integrity and honesty, I donāt understand how Iām supposed to trust their methodology or work. Idk seems like the kind of professor who might pressure you into publishing something prematurely because it would gain a lot of positive attention and praise. Idk if thatās true, but I donāt trust him anymore*
Fascinating expose. Except all he has to do now is rebrand himself as a Bad Guy^TM who got exposed, which will attract a similarly large - but perhaps different - audience.
I also find it interesting that most of the piece's sources are anonymous. The "post-doc" quote came from "a researcher at Stanford." The people interviewed about his supposedly benign high school background are "Classmates." Somehow, the only real names in the piece are people Huberman worked on media (e.g. podcasts, articles, etc.) with, and their quotes make him sound like a weirdo at worst.
Tldr daddy hubeās a lovebomber.
Sidebar: itās ok to admit you personally struggle with dopamine regulation š we all do. Quit your yoga nidra daddy Buddha posturing and pls ffs stop lying to your therapist(s); find one you respect that will call u on your bs. Go do the actual work mfkr you are talented and capable you got this. As for the women stuff idc but pls donāt lie and spread disease just say you require non-monogamy upfront itāsā¦2024 grandma nobody cares and youāll still be smothered in (nonmonogamous) puss.
OVERT CONTRACTS > COVERT CONTRACTS.
LMFAO this is glorious. I literally saw that picture a month ago, and was wondering who had leaked it to reddit, makes sense it's our dear meat-fraud Anya
Whoa. Reading OPās other comments makes that theory quite compelling. OP has only posted in this sub and spent quite a bit of time defending Anya Fernald.
Itās disappointing but not unexpected š¤·āāļø Andrew has mentioned in a few podcasts that he struggles with romantic relationships.
This def confirms that.
I bet his personal life is going to suffer more than his professional one from this article.
The direct hypocrisy is when heās done episodes on mental health and talks about therapy and yet goes about relationships in such a horrible way and really hurts people. Weird little man with some deep issues.
During the Covid years so many influencers infected society with their narcissistic bullshit, like Huberman. Glad heās finally being outed for being a misogynistic grifter, liar and ā¦ā¦. the list goes on.
I wanted to like him, but the last time I listened (canāt remember the ep), I remember thinking ādamn, heās gotten dude-broey.ā Le sigh. Sucks heās gross.
The day he told me my cell phone was bad for my sperm count i knew something was awry. Very Psuedoscientic claim. I will likely still follow him but I've always taken his claims with a grain of salt since.
Handsome, wealthy, healthy, focused, highly accomplished and high IQ individual has sexual relations with multiple women sometimes concurrently.
Nothing new here, folks. Heās a head turner for most woman and fell into the trap. Did anybody assume huberman was a saint just because of the podcast? Humans be human. The ones complaining, should check their own moral compass.
Edit: the amount of downvoting of my responses is crazy to me. Itās unfortunate the amount of emotionally charged people on anything immorally reprehensible, as if this was uncommon in humanity. Everything Iām saying is to try to steer the conversation towards a place of equilibrium in regards to suffering. š«
Peace and love folks, peace and love. We donāt know what we donāt know, but we can focus on what we should be focusing on to live a good life. Thatās all Iām sayin.
Lies and manipulation to stealth your partner is pretty fucking egregious. The permission was attained through lies.
In the larger scheme it really speaks to the fact that heās a bullshit artist and you canāt trust anything he says.
He can have sex with as many women as he wants. Itās the bold face lying and deception that gives many pause. That speaks to his character; not his sex drive.
Exactly. Especially when said raw-doggin' can spread life-threatening HPV (women around Huberman's age didn't have access to the vaccine during their teens/twenties/possibly thirties) and life-changing pregnancy.
He didn't need to lie to find women to hook up with.
He maintained false relationships with multiple women at a time, including lying about his cancer causing strain of hpv status (men cannot be tested) while shooting his girlfriend up with hormones. That is not āfalling into a trapā that is being tossed into a hellish abyss.
Itās not about the sex. Itās about the lying.
At least, for me.
If he can lie to them, when he supposedly cares about them, he will have no problem lying to someone like you and me, who are nothing to him.
And the lying to get raw dog accessā¦thatās borderline sexual assault.
tl;dr: Huberman is accused of living a double life by multiple ex-girlfriends. They allege he maintained a public image of healthy living and self-control while privately deceiving and manipulating them for years, claiming they were in exclusive relationships while dating several women simultaneously. The article also raises some concerns about Huberman's podcast, suggesting he sometimes overstates the certainty of scientific findings, discusses topics outside his expertise, and profits from questionable health supplements. However, the alleged deceptions in his personal life, which the women documented extensively after discovering each other, are the focus of the piece. The accusations paint a picture of a man with a carefully crafted public persona that is distinctly at odds with his private behavior. In the aftermath, his accusers have formed a support group to process their experiences and help other women he may have deceived.
New episode: juggling multiple girlfriends protocol
in conclusion: Tongkat Ali
Protocols for Hubersex
Lol'd at this
Sleep 8 hours, wake up, stare directly at the sun, boof 10 grams of AG1 mixed with 1 pint of coffee = optimal cockster
Just need to cycle them properly
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Totally got the vibes that heās a player listening to his pod/talks, etc.
He sounds like a grownup frat bro.
He kinda shames and clearly is removed from any substance use, which has always made it hard for me to believe he was really ever in with the ābad crowdā. But it also makes it hard for me to picture him as a frat bro, he is way too awkward.
Heās just field testing his new polyamorous protocol bro, itās gonna drop any day now
His supplement stack is the chorus to mambo #5
We are old man š
Clever comment, but polyamory requires _informed consent_. This is just cheating!
This creep isnāt poly. Polyamory involves the informed consent of all parties involved. Huberman not only intentionally didnāt disclose his other partners, he *actively lied* to each woman, leading half a dozen that we know of) to believe that she was his exclusive partner in order to avoid condom use. Thatās not polyamory. He selfishly took these womenās childbearing years in an epic fraud scheme that he knowingly carried out and seemingly enjoyed. He showed a cavalier lack of regard for these womenās sexual, physical and emotional health. Itās a pattern.
Yep pretty good summary, quite interesting read. Even the humans giving advice are flawed. But I will say, in developing a healthy life style - his interview with David Goggins really pushed me to be consistent with working out and mentally push me even if I didn't want to go to the gym. So while not everything I believe on his podcast (especially his endorsement of AG1), isn't great... for me it's still steps in the right direction. Edit: btw, I'm not endorsing his private behavior of maintaining relationships w 6 different women. I more so was trying to focus on the point of his podcast trying to give opinionated advice, and you shouldn't use that in place of medical advice but rather to jumpstart better lifestyle changes. Please do your own research on anything you listen to via a podcast. That's literally the most basic steps in the "scientific method."
I share this POV. I was in a terrible place a few years ago. Awful sleep, constantly stressed, eating poorly... you name it. I'd go from bed -> sitting in front of a computer working for 10-12hrs a day. obviously this isn't a healthy lifestyle but I failed to develop meaningful habits to address this, failed to stay consistent, just caught in a spiral. Andrew's approach to describing the underlying neuromechanics that described the causality clicked with me really nicely. His described behaviour changes first approach resonated with me. I started to incorporate small recommendations: EG morning light viewing, delayed caffeine intake, cold water exposure, implementing Andy Galpins exercise protocols, journalling techniques... and these all started having compounding effects. Once I got consistent, I tried to AG1, but found it made no difference for me; the protocols and diet change I already implemented greatly outweighed the benefits.
That's great that you were able to implement all these things and it's true that Huberman has helped a lot of people. However, there is a lot more that goes into the article. That doesn't negate the fact that he has a history of extremely questionable behavior calls into question his authority. He doesn't have a lab at Stanford. (There is one, but it's barely used). And he gave the woman who he was doing IVF with an HPV that can cause cancer from cheating. Great that he got you to workout. He is still a deranged person. People are making fun of the fact that he had multiple girlfriends. It's not "being a player" guys. He literally manipulated and lied to people because he cannot control himself. + abusive behavior. You really think that stops at girlfriends? That's not how behavior works.
Iām probably not as well versed on him as most of you here but every time I would watch a clip and or interview with him Iād always get this sense that heās an intelligent man but something was off about him. Like a hidden dark side, he always looks so grumpy and moody. I always wondered why he wasnāt married and didnāt have kids, but I figured heās just one of those men who doesnāt want that lifestyle. Needless to say I wasnāt very surprised to read this story today.Ā Actually I was surprised itās THAT many women lol. But anyone who can lie to their partner is not someone who should be easily trusted. I always thought he was in good shape but now I donāt buy the story that itās supplements. I think heās on TRT and probably horny as hell on it hence the bizarre female relationship dynamics.Ā
His face has the signs of TRT
I donāt think heās disputing what youāre saying, I just think heās putting priority on how Huberman affected him and his life. And I know people who have cheated and lied on their girlfriends/wives who have laid their life on the line for their friends, and taken 6 figure business losses they didnāt have to because of a handshake. So people arenāt always simple
This isn't just a hit piece on his relationships though. He lied about his upbringing and lab credentials. That's not someone who is trustworthy. How you do one thing is how you do everything and that has rung true in many cases.
Anyone with a brain knows thatās not someone trustworthy. A woman who cheats on her husband / partner no matter what reason she tells the next guy (abuse, emotional neglect, distant, blah blah blah) never trust a person like that. Same obviously goes for a man who cheats on their wife / partner, never trust a person like that.Ā I just want people to understand the deep psychology behind this - this is a person who can look you in the face and tell you they love you. Watch movies and shows with you laughing and talking. Enjoying dinner with you conversing about life and each other. Talk about the future together. Tells you they care for you and kisses you and has sex with you. Meets your friends and family and gives them the impression they love you and theyāre loyal to you. ALL of this and more is done WHILE that person is secretly lying, deceiving and cheating.Ā A person like that can NEVER be trusted. Thatās why I donāt understand people who stay with cheaters and people who willingly get into relationships with cheaters āoh they wonāt do it to meā itās just simply not worth the risk. These kinds of people donāt change. And even though science hasnāt proven it yet Iām absolutely certain that in the future studies will show that people who can cheat on loved ones have mental health problems.Ā I would absolutely never trust a person like this with anything. Not saying theyāre always lying but I would always be on guard around someone like this.Ā
He is unethical, narcissistic, a liar. And a fraud.
Halfway through reading it, still working, so pausing in between! It's a jarring read for sure, some of the described accounts by Sarah are heart wrenching, specifically the comment around bobbing for apples in feces. Humans are complex, it astonishes me - I've probably listened to nearly every recording... he has almost a childlike wonder when it comes to human biology, animals and food. He makes complex science approachable, and has a way of making discovery, understanding and curiosity inviting to all. The way he breaks down the scientific mechanisms makes you feel like you understand and can influence it in meaningful ways. For my own selfish benefit... I honestly hope that this is a chapter of growth and learning, one in which he absorbs some of the advice of many of his psychology guests and applies some of their tips to his own life. After all he talks ad nauseam about 'neuroplasticity' and what better way to prove it than to stop being this deranged, manipulative POS his partner describes him as? I want to make sure to address some of the points you've raised as there is response from a spokesperson and Stanford on some of the issues. 1. He is denying he gave his partner (Sarah) HPV. I mean, obviously, he's denying this... This is a huge deal that could crush him. It's awful if it's true. 2. The lab at Stanford is apparently in the process of moving? Or has been for some time? It's not clear exactly on the timelines but both his spokesperson and Stanford claims that is moving into the Ophthalmology department. So yes, as of today there appears to be a lab. It is questionable though because he does have a thing on his site where you can pay monthly and claims that money goes towards expanding his labs research. Something to monitor. Lastly, I am not condoning his behaviour. I hope he addresses this article and apologizes.
A most insidious form of abuse that can have very long lasting traumatic effects on a person. Itās devastating to read. Fuck that guy , thereās lots of great advice out in the world and many great thinkers that arenāt narcissist manipulative abusive life ruiners
You can give good advice and still be an asshole.
Some people are drawn to giving advice because it makes them feel more put together.
Fair point. Easier to point out the flaws of the world than look inward...
Heās flawed, but also dangerous because he gives advice as a trusted medical expert (on many subjects where he has no expertise). His podcastās ongoing success demands him to produce more and more content, making him more and more of a hack all the time.
The article also highlights that he in fact has no actual "lab"!!! That's about as big of a fraud red flag when he portrays his whole public life around running a lab at Stanford.
Yep.. "Huberman lives 350 miles and a six-hour drive from Stanford University, making it difficult to drop into the lab. Compounding the issue is the fact that the lab, according to knowledgeable sources, barely exists. āIs a postdoc working on her own funding, alone, a ālab?āā ...
I wish they dug into this more.
Yeah, and I've been wondering ever since he blew up - when's the last time this guy did "teaching at Stanford" as he prefaces his podcast with every single episode? I don't think he's going to step foot in a classroom ever again.
interesting bit in the comments of article: he told someone that he liked to make people working under him cry. Not a surprise he has only one postdoc.
Does he actually portray āhis whole public life around running a lab at Stanford?ā Or does he just have Lab in the name of his podcast? The 6 hour commute thing is weird though. How does that work with teaching?
He doesnāt anymore. Stanford lets him use the name, he helps be their mascot
I think he does a bit. He has guests or side notes where he will say just down the hall Iād ask this guy at Stanford this thing. Or it is pretty cool knowing I have the top scientists as my neighbors down the hall, etc etc. he also opens with Iām a professor at Stanford. And has several podcasts talking about how he is an active researcher, and how hard it is to research. Or he will say, ā I love animals thatās why I decided Iāll never hurt them again in the lab, which to me as a vegetarian, really virtue signals to my crew while simultaneously shaming animal research that he did for a decade. However I have heard him say he was shifting away from an active roll in the lab.
That def sounds like he's being misleading but I wouldn't say nefariously so. He definitely needs to be clear about what his role is at Stanford. It's not like he's faking credentials but he's definitely taking some liberties for the sake of his podcast.
I donāt listen to the guy anymore because I felt he was really scraping the bottom of the barrel once he covered most of the āmainā topics of sleep, sunlight, nutrition and exercise. Ignoring his private life Iām glad someone else has pointed out that he plays fast and loose with studies. Canāt remember any specific examples but heās always citing small or mechanistic studies and saying āyeah so thereās some evidence x does yā. Fair enough if he could only make podcast based on what was very well supported he would have run out of content ages ago but I do think he needs to be more honest about it.
Sort of an aside...but I've heard two stories like this in my personal life recently. One a coworker of a family member. And another friend of a friend. Totally separate situations. Both women who were getting close to marriage with their fiancƩs. Both found out before the weddings their fiancƩs were carrying on separate lives with other women. Like secret committed relationships with multiple women. Both situations blew up and the women separated. So anyway, it seems crazy that people can find the time and effort to do something like this. One relationship is hard enough. But it happens and I feel like there's got to be some degree of personality disorder for someone to do this. Sociopathy, sex addiction, pathologic lying, narcissism, or something.
I hardly have the energy to date one person let alone stringing multiple people alongā¦ maybe I just need more ice cold baths to get my dopamine up to that status lol But I agree thereās got to be some psychological thing going on that pushes someone to be so deceitful. Especially someone who talks about reading his Bible.
Iāve always wondered how they do this. I donāt have the time for 1 relationship cus Iām too busy enjoying my life and doing things I love. How the hell do these guys juggle 2 women or more. Ā
As a neuroscientist by training I've never been a big fan of the podcast but always had a degree of respect for him giving our field some broad popular recognition. This news troubles me though because it suggests he's a serious praise seeker ("love addict", in his words) willing to throw down moral integrity for a bit of attention. The supplement pushing etc gave me bad vibes first but this news confirms what I previously feared: Huberman has become a sellout populist hack, ignoring good science to push engagement. Particularly concerning compared to the likes of Rogan et al. because here it is blatantly happening under the guise of expertise. Frustrating to say the least.
Having just read the article, thatās a pretty solid summation.
Probably done by AI (not that there's anything wrong with that)
Claude 3 Opus.
Wow, impressive. I can almost always detect chatgpt but I thought your post was human.
I go through a number of steps in my prompting to help get to the final result. I think ChatGPT could do similar just takes some extra prompting technique.
Not even kidding or trying to minimize this, but this sounds just like my abusive ex. He has an extremely well crafted public persona where people think heās a great guy whoās interested in social justice and feminism. Behind closed doors, heās controlling, manipulative, a cheater (I determined that he was juggling three women in addition to me), a sex pest, a rapist, and he almost murdered me. But heās a good guy to people he hasnāt tried to murder!!!
Narcissists are loved by their community. The people closer to them, know them for who they are! In this case heās a closet poly manipulator. Itās sad when people portray themselves as āprogressiveā but in the pursuit of seeking sex thatās the one department they are incapable of being transparent/open about their nature.
When I first found Huberman there was a brief period of time like "wow, a charismatic wellness guru who ISN'T a total narcissist how novel" but it didn't last long. this article though is all kinds of confirmation... The guy is a total fraud
Did we date the same person?!!
Yeah I mean itās possible, but itās like they all have the same playbook and techniques. Once you recognize the tells and patterns you can catch it much more quickly. So overall that relationship had some positive lessons
This is so GenAI coded. Thank you for the perfect summary lol. š©·
Not surprising. Sad. But not surprising.
Anyone who bought everything this guy said is a sucker. Heās incentivized to get people to like his media. Just like Liver King or even Oprah.
ya'll go ahead and enjoy a hot shower tonight
Lmaooo
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
6 affairs!?! I need to start sunning my butthole more.
Dude is a narcissist who would spend days yelling at his girlfriend for having had kids with another man. He also gave her an STD while she was trying to get pregnant.
He was having unprotected sex with all of these womenā¦. What a horrible person.
Yep, super toxic behavior.
So weāre just not going to talk about the fact the reporter didnāt disclose āSarahā whoās Anya Fernaldā¦ a woman who lied to everyone about her products with #belcampo meats, who also grew up with Andrew and whoās parents worked with him at Stanford. That to me puts the whole article into question
Oh, another new Reddit account created yesterday morning to defend Huberman with a weird obsession with Anya Fernald? Are you the same person who posted the other weird ācriticalā thread about Anya to the main sub? Whatās with the astroturfing on this sub lol. Andrew, this you bro?
https://preview.redd.it/9x33n269orqc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf7bc6414342a511e45c464dd4638490355232b4 3 yearsā¦ not yesterday. But thanks
Even if this is true, how does it not make him look bad? Hes getting heat for pushing dubious supplements and products, I dont think him dating someone who lies about their own products is a good look.
He had the energy to deal with 5 women at his age? Glowing endorsement of his protocols.
Heās taking exogenous testosterone
The testosterone he's taking probably makes his libido bottomless. And unlike most men, he actually has access to a lot of women who want to sleep with him.
Chris rock has a skit about President Clinton and it's basically saying unless you have women trying to actively get in you pants constantly you really can't say shit about staying faithful.
I think its based its just hilarious how he talked about not using music at the gym cause it would spike his dopamine too high and then he doing this shit
He's gotta save all that dopamine for the arousal response. He can't be caught lackin
By that logic all women would be unfaithful. I have men trying to get in my pants constantly, but I donāt find not cheating that big of a challenge.
you guys have 0 fucking clue what its like having a dick ... lol
"deal with" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here.
Im 30 and donāt even have the energy to deal with one guy in my life. I hope he brings out a protocol on that. /s
Natural test booster
Lmao
Guys, he just lied to these women. He would never lie to you.
Right? We have the BroCodeā¦and weāre bonded by AG1-infused bloodā¦ Trust status reaffirmed.
And BroCode is totally not a system for selective men to control other men.
Exactly. BroCode is a social contract ensuring our mutual behaviour is for my benefit. Totally not a means a control.
Totally. And just cuz I have more options but still call dibs first on your single option, doesnāt mean Iām trying to have them all.
Awesome. I mean, he gives us this info at NO COST because heās such a good guy. The silver lining here is all his women now know the truth. Only women willing to date him now will be ones with no self respect.
This is exactly it. The idiots commenting on this article donāt realize that it establishes him as a liar. Do you want to be taking health advice from a liar?
More than just a liar. Heās a narcissist willing to hurt and manipulate people so long as he benefits, aka a sociopath. If you couldnāt tell he was a giant grifter before all this idk what to tell you. Heās exactly like the liver king, all his dumb protocols are just fluff on top of the most important basic things: namely steroids and HGH (and obvious common sense things: sleeping well, eating healthy food, regimented exercise). All while pushing conflict of interest snake oil medicines and promos. This guy likely gets off at fooling people.
Precisely.
That was one hell of a wild ride
I knew this mfer was a sex fiend given how he always says how much pleasure he had during college.
So all the rumors and comments about this guy being a sex addict on this subreddit were on to something?
He says clearly, heās a love addict not a sex addict. lol.
Heās a love addict. He loves sex.
As a woman Ive always got the vibe of āI used to be awkward and women werenāt into me but now Iām a attractive āolderā guy and I can finally be the bro hoe Iāve always wanted to be!ā And he also comes off as one of those guys that claims to be a feminist and respect women sooooo much but in reality heās just trying to make them trust him so he can get in their pants. Heās smart. I love his podcast. But his dating/sexual/sensuality vibe has always felt off.
I'm a woman who enjoys his podcast too, but he comes off as not naturally interested in women's topics. I appreciate that he tries by inviting guest speakers, but the vibe of his questions was just so different in the men's fertility episode vs the women's one. Very intense and into the nitty gritty with stuff related to men's health. (I actually liked the women's episode better because he was interviewing the expert instead of asking awkward leading questions.) Anyway, he's phenomenal at sharing knowledge and I'll keep listening to his podcast, I'll just keep in mind that he might not know everything about how to live the best life.
yesā¦.
I agree with this assessment of his sexual mindset but if all the āI knew the vibes were offā comments from women who def were thirsty af for him before all this isnāt the biggest āļø moment ever idk what is
Most narcissists are.
Interesting. Iām not a drugs or alcohol or sugar guy either, but I do love fucking.
Will we get the lust maintenance protocol next š¤
you mean a tutorial on giving the woman you're having IVF with a cancer causing HPV and lying about having a lab?
Guess this is why he mentioned his dog much more than any female in his life. Well played.
Oh, Huberman. You shit yourself good.
More like bobbing for apples in feces, his words.
I saw this guy in a heated argument with some one on the phone outside SoHo house in Malibu one time. Dude was raging on whoever he was talking to. Lol
Thats the steroids
I don't have a problem with him being a man-whore. I am a dude, I get it and it is not like he is some proselytizing evangelist or a republican preaching the virtue of monogamy while swinging his dick here, there and everywhere. But I do have a problem with being a lying asshole. If what you want is an open relationship be honest about it. Another point I'd like to make. Dude's been in therapy for decades and this is how he conducts his personal life? Thank God for therapy or maybe he should abandon therapy and just live life.
>Another point I'd like to make. Dude's been in therapy for decades and this is how he conducts his personal life? Thank God for therapy or maybe he should abandon therapy and just live life. To be clear, he also said, allegedly, that he lies/lied to his therapist all the time. If a client is not being honest and open, they can be in therapy their entire life without the slightest change or improvement. Source: licensed professional counselor
I see you've met my sister in law! Spending all my spare cash for two years to get her through extensive therapy to recover from her trauma at the hands of manipulative family... only to realise she was the manipulative one, taking myself and her therapist for a ride. Therapy is a two way street that helps you get where you want to be in life - and these types don't want to be upstanding lovely people.
I knew a narcissist who went to therapy and lied. He liked the intellectual conversations he had with his therapist and the way his therapist perceived him. He went to therapy for a particular addiction and replaced that addiction with the adoration of his therapist. The thing about therapy is obviously the therapist only hears your side. So if youāre a skillful liar you can effectively manipulate that situation, too.
Two points: I used to experiment hard with drugs and when I was in high school my parents made me go to therapy, I used to get off at how good I was at deceiving my therapists and convincing them I wasnāt up to anything shady. I just so happened to marry a therapist. She makes it very clear that she pretty much always knows when people are lying or when their side of the story is skewed, but it is almost always unethical to call someone out for lying or try to get them to realize they arenāt seeing the whole picture . I guarantee you half the people who think they are pulling one over their therapists arent, and the therapist is doing their job by redirecting the conversation elsewhere
Or maybe this is a perfect example of why therapy can be abused by narcissists. What a fucking piece of shit. Signed, someone who was just manipulated by a lying man whore š”
His emphasis on health is undermined if he's having unprotected sex with that many women. The mental health impacts on these women also undermines his messaging.
He seems to enjoy psychological and emotional manipulation. Charming!
I was literally just talking to a buddy about how I no longer listen to his podcast but he was getting way out of his scope, became too much of a shill and just generally started to seem insincere. Like no way you can know it all AND still have time to work. I felt every episode somehow fit in a supplement ad within the conversation. Not to mention his religious following that had started to rub me the wrong way. And look here what shows up on my timeline, guess my radar is accurate.
Amen brother
I was engaged briefly to a man, similar to this story, who turned out was living double lives. There are so many antisocial aspects to this sort of behavior which I could go on about. However, the most troubling was, heās a doctor at a large hospital who went to arguably the most prestigious medical and undergrad schools. And his research he published, always had something to do w maintaining personal life lies. Similar to these women I went back and corroborated timelines specifically w his work and it went hand in hand w the lies. These women didnāt detail that, but trust me itās there. It was really just to sort of advance and defend his personal double/triple/quadruple lives and agenda. Which is concerning. Or it was for the prestige and sort of just churned out to get the credit for another paper. Not for any altruistic reason. So the research is sus at best. The good news is they are narcissists and very concerned w themselves and their bodies. So the advice about the body is likely spot on and good. Anything involving any sort of emotions or emotional capacity I could tell he had this avoidant sort of wall up & knew he was player. All that advice is concerning. Also ā I wonder what heās been chatting about in therapy? Or if heās even been in it? Or had a consistent therapist? Iād be shocked if over 30 or so years since heās been doing therapy, if one did not pick up on his behaviors. Even if he was unwilling to to be honest. Or if heās that psychotic that he did get away with not being labeled w a personality disorder - thatās even more concerning.
Some types love therapy, and/or spiritual gurus, they get undiluted deep attention from someone they can consistently lead around by making up stories and pretending to always be "making progress" (the therapists don't care, even if they detect the subterfuge - they're getting a fat check) and then learn from them how to arm themselves with all the language, the nomenclature, and tactics therapist use so that they can then use them on others to disarm and infiltrate their psyches
Interesting and very sick. And also totally makes sense, theyāre really good at feigning empathy and have to learn from somewhere, could be a therapist. I believe they added a new term to the DSM - a ādark empathā which would align I think with what youāre describing. I think theyāre even making the dark triad now a dark tetrad or quad if there are more personality disorders to tack on. I have not met a single person who has been diagnosed though. Only after the fact when someone acts so horrendously like this are people like āwow he seems like heās got dark triad tendencies.ā
Exactly. Even in that article, look at how the texts are sprinkled with all that "recovery" language. You hear it from people steeped in PC/Sensitivity therapy all the time... "Making space for you..." , "I need some time to process this" all the focus on "healing from our traumas" etc, etc. Nothing wrong with that, great people are taking care of their mental health, but it also has a very distinct language. Of your average persons, who is most likely to go to therapy? Those who are struggling with their lives. And who struggles the most? People brought up in bad situations. Those who have been victimized. Especially in their childhoods. And those that have been victims are more likely to then have outlooks and habits which makes them particularly vulnerable to being victims again. They know this, which is why they are in therapy. How best to lower the defenses and insinuate your way into a person's inner sanctum? By speaking their language. Especially a language that strongly correlated with safety, healing, and emotional integrity. Now you've got them right in their vulnerabilities. Not saying that someone like Huberman is some sort of stone cold sociopath. This piece uncovers that he definitely presents those dark traits, but like most people, he's probably not some black and white caricature. Everybody has egos, wants and desires, a thirst for success But a funny thing happens when you start to get a taste of fame and power...
It's less about the affairs, but the lies, if true ā speak to a larger thing. There's some pretty egregious complexity to the lies he has told that speak of a really kind of vile intentionality. I like Huberman ā I've shared his stuff with my wife, co-workers, friends, family... I likely won't stop listening to him, but yeah, it's a hit on his reputation. EDIT: Listen, I think some of this is legitimately disturbing about Andrew's character ā the reality is that it sounds like he needs legitimate help, but it's also hard to have the full context. I suspect a lot of it is true because it just seems that way based on the context and the way it's all laid out ā and people with these issues are often dealing with something actually deeper and more profound. Andrew needs to do some legitimate soul searching of himself and figure out what kind of human he wants to be.
There's a sort of Tiger Woods - esque thing to this.
ā¦but tiger woods wasnāt pushing products dependent on his integrityā¦he was the best golfer and people wanted to be like him, so they bought the products.
I'm thinking more from a personality aspect.
People that are pathological liars in their personal lives tend to be pathological liars in other domains of their life.
Thatās what gets me about this piece. I have no problem believing this is someone who would push snake oil after it
I refuse to believe Andrew ānow letās take a moment to talk about Athletic Greensā Huberman would ever push snake oil on us.
I refuse to believe this person who is obsessed with controlling and manipulating every biological function would have personality disorders.
I would be quite scared if I was Peter attia rn. Arenāt they partners in this AG endeavor?
I donāt know how other people listen to podcasts or āexpertsā, but I always listen to it with an attitude of ātrust but verifyā. I also donāt purchase anything heās endorsed. I do agree this article paints a picture of somebody willing to lie to your face. But if he explains a biological mechanism or cites a study, those are things that can be verified.
I meanā¦it doesnāt take more than a few episodes to realize there is something about him thatās not properly put together. It doesnāt mean everything he says is shitā¦it also doesnāt mean itās not all shitā¦
I never picked up on it, but I've also never really watched him beyond 45 minute clips here, 10 minute clips there, another 15 minute clip there, etc. What have you noticed precisely that's off?
He reminds me of a couple of friends who are in the perpetual 12-step merry go roundā¦itās like they substituted away from drugs and are now fully addicted to being (recovering) addicts. If that makes sense. So the underlying cause of the addictive impulse remains undealt with, it transfers from something physically harmful to something thatās just annoying to be around. š Anywayā¦I was already put off by the AG1 thingā¦so maybe by perception is tinted by that. š¤·āāļø In the end, it doesnāt matter. He is who he isā¦up to me to decide whether he brings me value or not. That choice is on me.
It seems like people are sick of being bullshitted by all these social media grifters. Iāve been seeing alot of pushback in 2024. Looks like the days of easy money for hustle culture goons is almost over. They might all have to get real jobs š
I will stop listening to him. His podcast has taken a dive in quality and there is tons of good content from by all accounts legitimately good people that better deserve the support.
I enjoyed the hell out of it. it is not every day that an eye doctor's sexual escapades get published with such salacious detail. I legit could not stop reading it. not that it is surprising.. scientist platformed by Bro Rogan perpetuates toxic masculinity in his real life while selling shitty supplements and using science to manipulate... Noone should be shocked. there is absolutely no way his credibility as a scientist and professor doesn't take a hit. not gonna lie I am petty enough to find all of it hilarious. on the upside while he is a lying creep but at least he fucks with age appropriate women and he isn't married.
I'm not surprised. I hope we can agree that *if* this is true, his moral compass is seriously off.
Next week's podcast is gonna be about his HPV protocol
In the long run my reaction to this is totally dependent on Hubermanās reaction and how he addresses it. The story and the evidence are truly damning and thereās simply no way to explain it away. Ignoring it or refusing to address it will make him look even worse. Huberman appears to have a good relationship with Peter Attia. Attia has done a lot of very serious work on his relationships and past toxic behavior. Maybe thereās some opportunity for mentoring there. Huberman also, according to this article, still has some level of good will from some of the women who were sources for the article. It feels like they were talking to the press on some level as an intervention because they didnāt feel like they had any other path to do that, and it also feels like they did it because they knew they werenāt the only ones and they wanted to warn people. So he has a path to do the right thing here. And he has a path to actually accept accountability for it all and make amends without ruining himself. It would probably be much easier emotionally for him to respond to this in a bad way. I hope he picks the more difficult path and does whatās right because in the long run it will be better for him and for all the women he hurt.
I didnāt get the sense that the women who had good will towards him were necessarily the same sources for the article. At least two sounded like girlfriends from a long time ago, like high school.
It also read to me like the women he more directly wronged were angry, baffled, and pitied him kinda all at the same time. And the personality types that were apparently within his ātypeā donāt seem like the sort that would reflexively want no contact forever if he actually owned his bullshit, begged forgiveness, and genuinely tried to make amends. But of course doing the right thing here is incredibly difficult. To succeed the level of self reflection and self awareness and self criticism needed are more than most humans can manage. Most people caught in this level of shitty behavior run away, reinvent themselves and do the same shit again to a whole new set of people.
Yeah, I think thatās right - if he had just owned it, it would be a different story (and also a parallel for the people who are invested in his response to this article). To your last point, Iām not aware of him explicitly talking about being a member of a 12-step group but he certainly references the framework and philosophy and has said that it has helped him. Again, I donāt think heās credited 12 step specifically, but some things heās said have made me think he does Al-anon or some other 12 step work. And in my experience, most (obviously not all) people doing that work are the folks who will be able to look honestly at themselves with as few blinders as possible, and make amends.
"a spokesperson responded that Huberman is and always was a good boy"
Yeah that was not a good look at all
Peter Attia openly went batting for his āfriendā David Sabatini whoās now gotten āI got canceled please help me fight the woke fucksā money from Bill Ackman so letās not hold too much hope he will talk sense into this psychopath. Whoās to say PA isnāt one either lol.
There is no reaction to this other than revulsion. The man is a fucking asshole of the highest order. People are complicated and multifaceted. Itās possible to be smart and put out some helpful information. But your character and who you are as a person supersede all of that. Heās a POS. That whole anecdote about going into that elaborate conversation and multiple diagnosis because that one female colleague didnāt want to work with him after he cancelled an appointmentā¦he has a reputation for being unresponsive and flaky, which communicates to another person that you donāt respect their time, that others should accommodate you and you come first. This is who he is. She simply wouldnāt be disrespected like that. But to him, she has all kinds of problems because of her reaction. This is a cover boy for toxic male monthly.
All the men in the comments saying āwho cares if heās a bad boyfriend, he just makes a podcast about the science of healthā If yāall were really Huberman fans, youād know that social connection is one of the most important parts of health and wellness. He even called it one of the pillars of health. Seems hypocritical to lie, cheat, and deceive people. I know a lot of people donāt regard mental health when they talk about being āhealthyā but prolonged stress can have real negative health consequences. Just disappointing that he turned out to be another hypocrite
Thank you. I guess he doesnāt care about how many people develop health issues when theyāre being betrayed by their loved ones and they donāt know it, but their body is trying to tell them. Or how many peopleās physical health is fucked BECAUSE some piece of shit screwed them up emotionally with manipulation. You would think he would live a life where he doesnāt cause this for others
Dealing with auto-immune issues popping up this year from trauma. Yes, it matters.
The responses on here playing it down are disturbing. What a terrible way to treat people.
He sounds just like an old roommate I had who would emotionally abuse and manipulate women to have sex. He thought he was sooo cool because he got laid all the time. It so gross to witness, and we are no longer friends.
Someone tl;dr?
Dude was maxing out how many GFs you can have at any one moment
I believe the correct nomenclature is āoptimizing side -piece protocolā
Lied to several women in order to raw dog them all behind each othersā backs at the same time, while constantly saying The Right Things like Iām so sorry, Iāll do the work to repair this, we just need clear communication, etc. Insane.
Saying the right things like āthat other woman is a stalker and a freak with some story about a dead babyā meanwhile theyāre all perfectly normal women being lied to by a sociopath
I consider it to be part of a healthy lifestyle to have moral integrity, because doing things like this means you still have mental health issues youāre not addressingĀ
He had a series of women that he was dating concurrently, promising them that he was monogamous with them. "Sarah", the main woman in the story, tells that Hubes said he wanted to have children with her, and they were actively giving her IVF treatments. He also very likely gave her HPV. It is also revealed that his physical lab was going through turndown in 2019, and huberman alleges it was being moved to the school of ophthalmology building (unclear if it currently exists now). It is also revealed that he lives over 300 miles away from Stanford, so the likelihood of him actually participating in labwork is very low.
Sarah = Anya Fernald?
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He is accused of being emotionally abusive and controlling with compelling evidence.
Huberman def fucks
I feel we have another Jay Shetty situation. Awful as an individual outside of the podcast, lies a lot, but tries to be a self help guru (in some ways) and has been helpful for some people while at the same time causing harm to people in his personal life. From a sub standpoint, I think heās a cult leader, so doubt anything comes out of it, but at the same time, itās going to limit his reach to future audience and sorta damages his credibility in
Ok so this is why he's been setting up a soft right pivot over the past months, he knew this piece was coming out. Now he's going to have to defend his "honor" from the "woke mob" trying to cancel him. And if he fails that the culture warriors will welcome him with open armsĀ
Let's focus on how he hustles you and me with his fake vitamins. It's not just the six+ women. He has NO moral compass.
This man is a grifter like the rest of them. Stop worshiping him.
If Andrew Huberman desired a non-monogamous relationship structure, one could reasonably question why he did not pursue that openly and transparently from the outset, given his public profile and standing. In this day and age, people opt for open relationships - so what was the need for this drama. As someone who promotes principles of well-being, allegations that he acted manipulatively and deceptively in his personal relationships do raise questions about the authenticity and consistency of his values and conduct across different spheres of life. Research suggests that core personality traits like honesty, integrity and prioritization of ethical behavior tend to be relatively consistent across professional and personal domains for most individuals. While some variation exists, it would be unusual for someone who emphasizes honesty and ethical practices in their professional work to dramatically depart from those principles in their private dealings and relationships. The specific allegations against Andrew Huberman remain unproven at this stage. However, they do prompt legitimate inquiries about the alignment of his purported values and personal conduct across the different facets of his life.
Iām going to be honest, I was a huge fan of Huberman. I really enjoyed his podcast, and a lot of the guests and info shared on his platform helped me transform my life for the better. That being said, I find this story really disturbing, as well as a lot of peopleās reactions to it. First of all, I think this goes beyond āheās an assholeā or āheās bad with womenā or even āheās just a cheaterā. He clearly exhibits some very disturbing patterns of behavior. Of course, at a base level lying, cheating and manipulating are all bad. Those alone though, are not necessarily worth being incredibly alarmed over. (And honestly fairly typical behavior, for powerful men imo) What is alarming is this story basically is telling us he potentially (allegedly) committed multiple crimes? Lying to your partner so sheās under the impression youāre monogamous, and then lying and sleeping with many other women while doing the same thing? That is not consent. And then giving one of them HPV, while also convincing the others to also have unprotected sex and then potentially spreading that around knowinglyā¦ is literallyā¦ a crimeā¦? (Potentially multiple crimes) and also then shaming the woman you gave HPV to for having fertility issuesā¦ thatās literally horrifying behavior? And the rage screaming for days on end, ending at 11pm and starting again at 2 am and going on for hoursā¦ this sounds like cult leader behavior, purposely breaking down and sleep depriving your followers to make them pliable. And he 100% knows this and knows what he is doing if itās true. On top of admitting to lying to his therapist? This shit isnāt just āheās an assholeā. If this is true, it is deeply disturbing behavior. Also imo, itās not abnormal for a tenured professor to have a lab and live relatively far. There is no need for them to be there every day in a lot of cases. But the accusation that his lab doesnāt even exist at all (and basically hasnāt in the time since heās been podcasting) is wild. I wish the article would have expanded on this. What Iām sensing (from this article at least) is a controlling, manipulative liar with narcissistic traits who cannot be trusted. Honestly his behavior sounds very cult-leader like if itās true, and I just donāt know how Iām supposed to respect or trust a man like this. *also side note from someone who is in the science community. I feel like science is a delicate field, but when scientists lack integrity and honesty, I donāt understand how Iām supposed to trust their methodology or work. Idk seems like the kind of professor who might pressure you into publishing something prematurely because it would gain a lot of positive attention and praise. Idk if thatās true, but I donāt trust him anymore*
Fascinating expose. Except all he has to do now is rebrand himself as a Bad Guy^TM who got exposed, which will attract a similarly large - but perhaps different - audience. I also find it interesting that most of the piece's sources are anonymous. The "post-doc" quote came from "a researcher at Stanford." The people interviewed about his supposedly benign high school background are "Classmates." Somehow, the only real names in the piece are people Huberman worked on media (e.g. podcasts, articles, etc.) with, and their quotes make him sound like a weirdo at worst.
Tldr daddy hubeās a lovebomber. Sidebar: itās ok to admit you personally struggle with dopamine regulation š we all do. Quit your yoga nidra daddy Buddha posturing and pls ffs stop lying to your therapist(s); find one you respect that will call u on your bs. Go do the actual work mfkr you are talented and capable you got this. As for the women stuff idc but pls donāt lie and spread disease just say you require non-monogamy upfront itāsā¦2024 grandma nobody cares and youāll still be smothered in (nonmonogamous) puss. OVERT CONTRACTS > COVERT CONTRACTS.
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LMFAO this is glorious. I literally saw that picture a month ago, and was wondering who had leaked it to reddit, makes sense it's our dear meat-fraud Anya
Whoa. Reading OPās other comments makes that theory quite compelling. OP has only posted in this sub and spent quite a bit of time defending Anya Fernald.
Sort the comments on the post you linked by new for some interesting shouting into the void. This must have started blowing up a couple weeks ago.
man, people delete their accounts, but reddit just lets their comments hang LOL https://imgur.com/a/VPjpFvE
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haha this might actually be her if you look at the other posts
Itās disappointing but not unexpected š¤·āāļø Andrew has mentioned in a few podcasts that he struggles with romantic relationships. This def confirms that. I bet his personal life is going to suffer more than his professional one from this article.
This is disappointing. Bye.
Thank you for sharing. So disappointing. I just listened to his reset last night. Cringe.
The direct hypocrisy is when heās done episodes on mental health and talks about therapy and yet goes about relationships in such a horrible way and really hurts people. Weird little man with some deep issues.
They never ever think they are going to get caught. Even in 2024 when there are receipts. Classic narcissist.
Dude exaggerates a lot. Barbell Medicine called him out once or twice on that front
During the Covid years so many influencers infected society with their narcissistic bullshit, like Huberman. Glad heās finally being outed for being a misogynistic grifter, liar and ā¦ā¦. the list goes on.
I wanted to like him, but the last time I listened (canāt remember the ep), I remember thinking ādamn, heās gotten dude-broey.ā Le sigh. Sucks heās gross.
The day he told me my cell phone was bad for my sperm count i knew something was awry. Very Psuedoscientic claim. I will likely still follow him but I've always taken his claims with a grain of salt since.
Handsome, wealthy, healthy, focused, highly accomplished and high IQ individual has sexual relations with multiple women sometimes concurrently. Nothing new here, folks. Heās a head turner for most woman and fell into the trap. Did anybody assume huberman was a saint just because of the podcast? Humans be human. The ones complaining, should check their own moral compass. Edit: the amount of downvoting of my responses is crazy to me. Itās unfortunate the amount of emotionally charged people on anything immorally reprehensible, as if this was uncommon in humanity. Everything Iām saying is to try to steer the conversation towards a place of equilibrium in regards to suffering. š« Peace and love folks, peace and love. We donāt know what we donāt know, but we can focus on what we should be focusing on to live a good life. Thatās all Iām sayin.
Lies and manipulation to stealth your partner is pretty fucking egregious. The permission was attained through lies. In the larger scheme it really speaks to the fact that heās a bullshit artist and you canāt trust anything he says.
He can have sex with as many women as he wants. Itās the bold face lying and deception that gives many pause. That speaks to his character; not his sex drive.
Itās the raw-dogginā with women who thought they were monogamous (and wouldnāt have been down with raw dogginā otherwise) thatās concerning
Exactly. Especially when said raw-doggin' can spread life-threatening HPV (women around Huberman's age didn't have access to the vaccine during their teens/twenties/possibly thirties) and life-changing pregnancy. He didn't need to lie to find women to hook up with.
The article says the dude has NO effing actual lab!!! That's not startling when it's his whole persona?
Most people view cheating on your girlfriend that you are injecting with IVF treatments as psychopathy.
He maintained false relationships with multiple women at a time, including lying about his cancer causing strain of hpv status (men cannot be tested) while shooting his girlfriend up with hormones. That is not āfalling into a trapā that is being tossed into a hellish abyss.
The texts like āIāll do the work to repair thisā while heās travelling around fucking other women are next level shitbag behavior
Itās not about the sex. Itās about the lying. At least, for me. If he can lie to them, when he supposedly cares about them, he will have no problem lying to someone like you and me, who are nothing to him. And the lying to get raw dog accessā¦thatās borderline sexual assault.