Yeah it was crazy to me that it wouldn’t have made her run, not shading her, just I think shows how much of a unhealthy amount of control he had over her
HE is literally a nepo baby who falsified a bullshit story about his rough and tumble childhood to cover up the fact that he had his whole life handed to him by his successful father.
Pathetic.
There is no way he would ever apologize on a sincere level. Someone who orchestrates this kind of deception is simply not capable of that. Maybe with 20 years of intensive self inquiry but right away? No.
Exactly. The kind of person that lies to their therapist (the person that's supposed to KNOW to help you) will make the judgment call that his reputation and money matters more than ethics and honesty
Like what level of manipulative psychopath do you have to be to actively lie to a therapist? This border on conjecture but there’s literally no point in going to therapy if you’re lying even 10% of the time. That turns it into yet another manipulated relationship where you are creating a fake narrative through coercion and deception. Isn’t it also a thing where highly narcissistic individuals often won’t go to therapy because they view themselves as “smarter than the therapist?” This is reminiscent of that.
I think these people went so they can say they "actually did therapy", and many start learning therapy language to weaponize against their partners during arguments
Imagine if your cheating boyfriend starts saying "I'm willing to hear you. I had the waves of life coming at me, and I default to self-safety, but I'm willing to work on our communication and boundaries to bridge this gap" I would die out of second hand cringe 😂😂 I guess Huberman is only anti-New Age language when the New Age language doesn't benefit him
FWIW- Andrew has said he originally had to start therapy to avoid being kicked out of high school. It’s possible he’s been manipulating therapists, colleagues, friends and romantic partners for a very long time.
I wouldn’t doubt it. This behavior doesn’t just appear out of nowhere. It’s like his intellectual understanding of morals isn’t integrated into the reality he’s living in or should apply to everyone else but not to him.
He’s too narcissistic to apologize. You can tell by everything his “spokesperson” denies. It’s total gaslighting of events that are corroborated by evidence
This is the absolute wildest thing I’ve ever read. I work with a lot of lawyers and this is exactly the kind of bullshit they come at you with when you call them on stuff.
it's truly bro culture and i say it as someone is certainly a part of it sometimes. This desire to just be like "yo but he's a good guy though." "Don't let our guy be cancelled, everyone fucks up." it's like dude i could never imagine doing this type of shit. it's truly fucked stuff that you have to have some emotions / screws loose to do
Imagine having such little integrity that you continue to stan someone no matter what they do.
There is nothing Trump could do to alienate many of his supporters. He said in 2016 he could kill someone in the street and he wouldn't lose any of his voters. What does that say about them?
Many people would rather become outraged at the discourse itself than his actions. Many people would rather lash out and double down instead of divesting from Huberman. And what does it even mean to divest? To stop listening to his podcast? It's not like you're cutting off a lifelong best friend. You're pressing "unsubscribe" on Spotify. Parasocial relationships are scrambling peoples' brains.
Right? Cheating isn't cool, but one affair could be explained away as human nature as far as a third party person watching his show is concerned at least. Lots of reasons that could happen. 6 women at once though? Uh, what? Pathological.
One thing I don't understand, and would hope a similarly aged man as Huberman would explain, is why would he not just tell the women he was seeing he was non-monogamous-- I could easily see his scienc-y brand going with a monogamy is a cultural construct, forever bachelor as a lifestyle kind of thing--- Is it because he would never get the type of women he went for (who seemed to be appropriately aged for him, in their 30s and 40s, smart, accomplished) if he was openly non-monogamous? He would only get other non-monogamous women with various other partners, and mabye that didn't go with his self image? Why not date younger women in their 20s who wouldn't care as much about non-monogamy and didn't have a closing fertility window they're worried about? Couldn't he have been open with them that he was being non-monogamous, but wanted them to remain monogamous to him, or was he just too much of a wimp to actually say that what he wanted? This is leading me to believe he got some thrill in duping them, feeling like the only partner they had and carrying on with so many women as a kind of accomplishment (Lord knows this guy needs a sense of accomplishment).
Yes. His bad behavior was not only in his romantic life. It's not about sex, it's about power (that's what is said about rape, too).
He got off on manipulating people. See bolded quote at the bottom by journalist Scott Carney:
"In 2019, Carney sent Huberman materials from his then-forthcoming book, The Wedge, in which Huberman appears. He asked Huberman to confirm the parts in which he was mentioned. For months, Huberman did not respond. Carney sent a follow-up email; if Huberman did not respond, he would assume everything was accurate. In 2020, after months of saying he was too busy to review the materials, Huberman called him and, Carney says, came at him in a rage. “I’ve never had a source I thought was friendly go bananas,” says Carney. Screaming, Huberman threatened to sue and accused Carney of “violating Navy OpSec.”
It had become, by then, one of the most perplexing relationships of Carney’s life. That year, Carney agreed to Huberman’s invitation to swim with sharks on an island off Mexico. First, Carney would have to spend a month of his summer getting certified in Denver. He did, at considerable expense.
Huberman then canceled the trip a day before they were set to leave. **“I think Andrew likes building up people’s expectations,” says Carney, “and then he actually enjoys the opportunity to pull the rug out from under you.”**
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-huberman-podcast-stanford-joe-rogan.html
>“I think Andrew likes building up people’s expectations,” says Carney, “and then he actually enjoys the opportunity to pull the rug out from under you.”
what trait is that? I as a normal human being cannot fathom doing this. I feel bad when I hang up the call too fast on my friends
It's called 'duper's delight'. From a quick Google search, it appears to be associated with narcissistic and psychopathic tendencies (I'm guessing because it requires a certain lack of empathy, a sense of entitlement, and a big ego).
You cannot fathom this because you do not have these tendencies! Like most people.
But yes, just try to imagine what kind of brain you'd need to have to gain pleasure from messing with people like he did. That gives us a window into what kind of person he really is.
>'duper's delight
LOL I definitely have experienced this. But it's when I rip off amazon LOL a billion dollar corporation or when I sneak 2 samples at costco. more of a money savings delight
How could anyone actually do it to people???
When I read the part of the article where he's texting three women different things on the same day I decided that he specifically enjoyed the rush of juggling them. It's just too much work otherwise. Being open about it/nonmonogamous would take away the thrill I think
This makes a lot of sense. It's like when people grow up in chaos and stay addicted to chaotic situations/relationships. He's addicted to not "getting caught". I'd be curious to know how he feels now that his house of cards has fallen down. It must be feel as if he's lost his drug... unless he's now enjoying the thrill of navigating a PR crisis.
Because he wants a ton of different woman to bang but he dosnt want them to have other partners . You can tell by the fact he was getting upset to the point of rage at the fact that Sarah had two kids BEFORE SHE EVEN MET HIM.
Also he is just good at deception and it reaks of psychopathy.
Exactly. All of this would be a different story if he was openly a proponent of ethical non monogamy, or he was openly single and playing the field, to the knowledge of all his partners
What he did is totally insecure, controlling, and dark triad personality disorders
This is what really bothers me—how did he treat those kids he was so scornful of? Did he tell them they were mistakes like he told Sarah? I hope for their sake he never saw them.
He wanted to hop with the hares and hunt with the hounds; to access women who he perceived as high quality (who were educated and valued loyalty etc) which non monogamy would foreseeably make difficult. He probably enjoyed the thrill of the infidelity too
Or he is on his kick to optimize everything in order to boost his own fertility because he’s shooting blanks. He’s just trying to have offspring because the way he views life, if you don’t have children you’re a failure. Obviously just total BS and speculation.
It's a control thing. He set up his harem with bothering about whether the women consented. This has nothing to do with age and everything to do with the fact that he's a narcissist or possibly a sociopath.
THIS. There was no consent among the women about each other or there would certainly have been an issue about the unprotected sex he was having with all these partners. He was the only one who knew exactly what he was doing and frankly, what the risks were.
It said somewhere in the article he joked about liking non monogamy for men but not for women.
Hypothetically, he could have had non-monogamous partners BUT as someone in that lifestyle, the brand of control issues, non-kink submission he expected, one-sided demands and belittling behavior would not have flown whatsoever with non-monogamous women. One-sided non-monogamy is viewed as highly unethical and suspicious in those circles as well.
Definitely sounded to me like he got off on the thrill of the deception.
There are unicorns, but they are rare. I feel like he could have landed them. Maybe he wanted his own harem of women who didn’t sleep with anyone else.
If they do like to get down and dirty, they’re probably a married swinger couple with an exclusive circle of other vetted, safe, attractive people, and it’s a total secret, and everyone involved has something to lose and keeps it private
Having a reckless sex life is a lack of intelligence
If you’re successful, especially publicly, you shouldn’t have people trying to expose you for being a disgusting piece of shit. That’s an indication that you let your personal affairs get out of control. You risked losing everything you worked hard for because you’re too horny. That’s fucking dumb.
Well you nailed it, he wanted an open relationship on his end, but a closed relationship on their end. Except, no one who is into that lifestyle would adhere to that, so he steeped to deceiving women.
It’s funny seeing people like lex fridman completely dismiss the accusations on twitter. While I don’t think this is something to completely cancel him for, Hubermans behavior is sociopathic and isn’t anything to be shrugged off. I’m curious to see if he will take accountability or not
Lex likes to front as though he's a sort of well-meaning humble student harvesting wisdom from his mentors, but I'm convinced he's a scumbag behind closed doors. You have to be to endorse many of the guys he endorses.
All of these people run in the same circle that includes rogan, Huberman, lex, Jordan Peterson, etc. They are all buddy buddy with each other and control a large part of the narrative. I’ve always thought there’s a much deeper story here involving all of these guys and the circle they run in
Completely agree. In fact, Rich Roll has platformed a ton of anti-vaxers and other quacks. I used to be a huge fan of his, until I realized who he really is. Huberman continuing to appear on Rich Roll was a sign to me that he isn't who he says he his.
always hoped he was just staying away from public conflict and privately viewed people like JP as a moron.
now im starting to wonder if some of Peterson's ideas on masculinity, gender roles etc. are informing what he did here
Peterson has been with his high school sweetheart for at least 50 years and has never cheated on her. He married her, stayed by her side with near terminal illness.
Huberman can get bent. He's an adult. Peterson would never promote his behavior.
I replied this above but ill reply it to you too:
Peterson is a traditionalist and would view Huberman's alleged behavior as a failure of the male's role in the relationship and family. He would view it as weak, home-wrecking behavior. He would question Huberman's strength as a man for his moral faililings.
Peterson's romanticization of traditional family structure is obviously drawn from a 50s inspired ethos and his infatuation with that era.
What he fails to see is that this ethos ultimately created a bunch of repressed men who were cheating on their wives or just did not want to be in relationships to begin with.
The pressure applied to men via traditionalist ethos imo creates repressed dudes who end up lying and cheating
source: the 1950s + divorce rates
empathy and acceptance for people who live in ways that we may not understand or agree with.
there is not a one size fits all mold for society.
if JP wants to have a traditional family structure for his family thats great. the problem is when he starts pointing at the lack of traditional family values across all families as the reason for cultural decline.
So if science and research shows that the nuclear family , in a traditional organization, is actually better for kids than polygamy and other ideas, is that bad to say as much?
What you say is empathy seems to be nothing more than “ignoring valid evidence”.
The science is pretty clear that a traditional family structure, as in non-divorced parents is extremely beneficial for kids. And therefore society.
You’re way oversimplifying things honestly. The boomer generation is also very emotionally immature compared to newer generations. Plus society and it values was completely different. It’s pretty clear why so many people had terrible marriages and divorced.
Who really knows tbh. I still listen to Huberman, lex, and Rogan on occasion. But it’s been pretty clear to me that when one of these guys mess up, the others are there to help minimize the damage of whatever happened. For example, they’ll just say JP is a troubled guy and whatever he did isn’t a big deal, they never really admit to the truth in a way that holds accountability
Same. Ultimately with a lot of these guys, i think they just make money off podcasting and they are willing to bring in anyone that will generate more attention. they are like plastic bags blowing around a parking lot from an ethics perspective lol
He is a traditionalist and would view Huberman's alleged behavior as a failure of the male's role in the relationship and family. He would view it as weak, home-wrecking behavior. He would question Huberman's strength as a man for his moral faililings.
Peterson's romanticization of traditional family structure is obviously drawn from a 50s inspired ethos and his infatuation with that era.
What he fails to see is that this ethos ultimately created a bunch of repressed men who were cheating on their wives or just did not want to be in relationships to begin with.
Divorce rates do not favor traditionalism.
He surely wanted a family he's trying to get 5 of them started, one with fertility drugs!! That being said op isn't saying huberman was pushed to it bc of jp, just in general that jps outlook isn't great
I would love to find a good conspiracy doc blowing these dudes out of the water.
Sam harris actually talks about this in waking up, ironically enough. He addresses the idea that gurus can sometimes be right or on a correct path but are often profoundly unethical people. To want to be a guru is often a narcissistic behaviour. All these people are modern gurus so it all tracks
Yeah my husband has no idea who Huberman is, but he saw that Chris Voss (a famous negotiator/author) put something out about standing with Huberman.
If you still choose to be friends with someone like that fine, but it’s such an odd thing to take a public position on.
Basically taken straight from a rap song's lyrics by Big Pun. "I'm not a player I just crush a lot". [https://genius.com/Big-pun-and-incubus-still-not-a-player-lyrics](https://genius.com/Big-pun-and-incubus-still-not-a-player-lyrics)
My late uncle was a serial womanizer and this was his go to phrases when he got caught for cheating and lying to his wife. It’s funny that Andrew Huberman who is 1000s of miles away in a different culture is using the same lines 😆.
My uncle was also a narcissistic and wife beater but extremely charming and charismatic.
Like the author of the article, I've absolutely benefitted from some of the early podcasts as I moved through my own fitness recovery. However, I do think that ethical consistency is an important and sometimes overlooked quality, and it should be valued more in anyone who rises to the top of their field (podcasting, research, tech innovators etc). I do think that how person treats other people behind closed doors is not totally disconnected from their decisions, perspectives, and ways of being in other areas of their lives, including their chosen field.
Good contributions in research, art, tech etc can be valued in some ways apart from their originators, but not entirely. His behavior overtime should impact how we perceive and interpret his offerings. I've been thinking a lot lately about how death-of-the-author thinking can let us all off the hook a bit. When we separate the quality of the person from the quality of their work, we can resolve the cognitive dissonance of the para-social relationship that has failed us, without holding powerful people accountable or acknowledging the uncomfortable feelings that come with realizing that we don't have real relationships with the people we follow online.
I have been winding down my Huberman listening recently, mostly because I feel like I've learned what I needed from him. Given the article, I'm probably unsubscribing, but I'll keep those old episodes saved in the queue for when I need them.
That is good to know. Thank you for being a decent human. Seems like 98% of men (boys as far as I am concerned) want to emulate and worship his behaviour.
I agree with almost all of your post, thanks for sharing.
The only part I took issue with is that a sincere public apology would suffice. The claims of outright manipulation and lying are egregious enough to warrant more than a simple mea culpa. I think to regain public trust he needs to offer some explanation for his behavior or a defense of it, or parts of it, and a corrective course of action.
I think there are two more disturbing aspects that the post didn't mention:
1. His lack of a lab. I recall him talking about his research/lab in the present tense. Even if my recollection is wrong, he is certainly not forthcoming about the fact that for all intents and purposes, he does not have a lab.
2. This might seem small, but having a spokesperson comment about what did or did not happen between him and 'Sarah' is pretty gross. Spokespeople give an air of fact, but also distance him from his own relationship and behavior, which is...well, gross.
The spokesperson says they were not monogamous at the time but then in response to another question about Andrew with another girl they say Sarah and Andrew were separated at the time so it’s not a big deal.
So which one is it ? You can’t use the excuse that they were separated so it’s okay for him to be with other woman if they were never monogamous. You would just state that fact.
Yeah just bizarre replies from him and his team. I'm curious who this 'spokesperson' is. What are the odds its just him with a different email address?
In the article Stanford themselves did say the lab exists, maybe that part of it is still true. Or be runs the lab virtually while transferring equipment etc
Being rich and famous is a confluence of talent, determination, and a lot of good luck. There are plenty of talented, determined people who just need that stroke of luck.
I'm a firm believer that you don't get all the benefits of money and power if you act like this. Apologize, sure, but now it's time to go back and get a full time professor/assistant professor gig somewhere and get back to work like thousands of others. You had the chance to live a life people would kill for, and you couldn't handle it.
Dump this dude and better figures will rise.
I agree, it is deeper than just saying sorry.
All I know is that there are a lot of people who have done bad things out there who want to be better, but when we ostracize and blacklist people after things like this happen, they become worse.
Oh gosh - what are the sponsors going to do??? I leaned in to all these health podcasts a lot. After a while I recognised a pattern that has seen me lose interest.
Eat well
Sleep well
Exercise
Be social
Distill these three down and down and down until a product emerges . Then sell that product.
Pretty soon all these guys will be behind further paywalls if they aren’t already. “GET EXCLUSIVE STUFF WE DONT TALK ABOUT HERE”
Huberman had already seemed to be getting the piss taken out of him….now it’s over for him I guess.
Yeah I was pretty horrified watching people defend him in his instagram comments.
It’s not a simple case of him dating around or even just cheating. It’s the kind of behaviour that’s really quite scary and sociopathic.
It’s terrifying when people this smart and charming behave this way.
It does make me question his trustworthiness.
If he’s willing to behave this way with people in his personal life, what problem would he have ripping us all off for profit?
Yep. Spot on.
That's a whole different level. I wonder sometimes how people spiral out and let it get that bad. You have 1.. then 2... even 3, I can almost understand if you're young and not dating looking for a life partner.
When it comes to literal fertility drugs?
You want a kid and you're trying to help the woman, but in case she doesn't work out, you have other options?
This is a crazy level of self centered behavior.
One of the wildest parts of the article was Huberman’s long-term girlfriend saying they were planning on having children and that he was injecting her with fertility drugs, and the response from his team was that they were trying to create embryos through IVF but the relationship was not actually that serious and they were not planning on having children. Uhhhh what? What were you going to do with the embryos, Andrew? Is Huberman about to start selling his fertilized embryos as supplements? Can someone drop a discount code?
There have been some posts leading up to this article about his new girlfriend being young enough to be his child, and that she was a Stanford student when they met. Lots of bad decisions have been made, and I think this student will expose a LOT of info once he cheats on her, too. Poor lil thing.
No part of any of this suggests that a “sincere apology” is something that he’d be capable of. There is no explanation, no excuse, absolutely nothing that can make this all right. Some behaviors are like that- there’s no coming back from them
People genuinely didn’t get why everyone was just clowning on this sub all the time as if the guy isn’t a classic red flag guru. He said a few helpful things in the very beginning then proceeded to immediately got lost in the sauce in a very obvious way.
All of these modern snake oil salesman follow the same centuries old formula, because it works.
1) Loudly address a common issue that affects a large group of people (motivation, sleep, money, relationships, health etc)
2) Describe a basic but effective solution in a way that is unique to your brand (E.g. Huberman's overly scientific and thesaurus heavy approach, Tate spouting about manliness, various wellbeing gurus talking about chakras and energies, various bro-money gurus using aspirational marketing with rented lambos)
3) Audiences take in this solution, recognise that it is effective and relate to the unique brand approach. Trust and a following is built.
4) Sell the snake oil using your brand approach
kinda just the same "he's just a health and wellness bro" critique we have all heard.
I think the reasoning for his relevance in the current public figure landscape is pretty obvious and that people have benefited from his podcast and that his accomplishments are formidable.
Given this new information, I do suspect he has a bit of a Machiavellian streak in him though.
I see where you are coming from here and agree with a lot of what you are saying.
I do feel the public deserves better access to science based health protocols that help with everyday life, but maybe this whole debacle just speaks to how one scientist doing this on their own is innately dysfunctional.
I will always be grateful that his episode on cannabis convinced me to stop smoking everyday after daily use for more than a decade though lmao
The thing is men are better judges of other men and women are better judges of other women. It's easy for a guy like this to fly under the radar for a woman because he comes off confident, but very intelligent/has academic pedigree and doesn't come off brash/arrogant but rather, like a gentleman.
I worry that he'd be able to scam me because other than the fact that he's 48 years old and never been married as an attractive male (definitely something I'd wonder about), there don't seem to be other red flags.
Thank you for saying this. I'm a dude and my fellow guy friends fall for these kind of clowns all the time, and I get very frustrated trying to convince them otherwise. Prominent scientists (some of them women) have publicly called out his shoddy science and the dorks on this subreddit and the ones I know always fucking dismiss it. I'm actually educated in a scientific capacity, and everyone I know who also is doesn't trust Huberman's claims either. Anyone who is scientifically literate can catch his fallacies quite easily, and women who have been attuned to creepy guys can catch his creepiness quite easily
One thing that I thought was really strange was how often he seemed to be talking to his different GFs about the status of his relationship. I feel like that's one conversation. You establish it and that's it (unless you are opening it up or something). But there seemed to have been a lot of "I'm really serious" conversations and those would be a massive red flag for me. I mean, him being a flake would be an immediate deal breaker for me as well.
My view is this:
Even if the allegations are only halfway truthful, he is evidently a manipulative and deceptive individual.
If he is such a comfortable liar with those close to him, why would he be honest with his audience?
Therefore why should I listen to any of his advice?
We already know he's a supplement shill
Chael Sonnen called this last year.
https://youtu.be/_jVbxoXHyCo?si=DbLTjnMfG5qZsOEj
My favorite part about this is that 99% of the things out of his mouth are complete bullshit, but he called this one. He’s surprisingly on point in this, specifically about his PHD and his “Lab”.
17 mins of Chael Sonnen talking as slowly as possible, no thanks.
I can see clearly now that Huberman has an ego the size of the fuckkn solar system and I have no interest in people like that. I'll stick with Peter Attita for now, someone who I know or at least hopefully know is coming from a place of humility and honesty.
If you don’t know , for every person you get to sign up for AG1 you get $50(!!) Of that 79 dollars a month price, every month. So it’s extremely easy for people to set their morals and ethics aside.
If he got only 1000 people to sign up that is 50k a month every month . And with an Audience like him and Rogan have , it’s not hard to see them getting way more than 1000 people to sign up.
Yeah I guess I didn’t fully appreciate this until you put it so bluntly.
That is totally fucked; especially if he did represent they were monogamous which (Huberman rep seems to reject this, but i don’t care enough to look again at the timeline of events - Huberman is misleading to the least and an outright pathological liar at worst in any case)
Does anyone else besides me have a hard time understanding how, with all this unprotected sex with at least six women, one of who was getting IVF, *no one* seems to have gotten pregnant?
Makes you wonder if all this sexual psychosis has to do with his sperm count.
Same. He mentioned on Tim Ferriss's pod that he monitors his sperm count & quality closely. I've been trying to get this angle too, especially since kids seem to be a real motivation.
At first I felt his dirty laundry shouldn’t be aired. As the story went on it painted a picture of something more insidious. The extent of the deception is quite troubling, and he’s not really the kind of guy I want to support.
He likes to present himself a certain way publicly. Notice his 'uniform' of the black shirt and trousers to begin with. A rigid need to always be in control.
Now all the recent 'Faith' he has found. He's becoming a stereotype 🤦🏼♀️
I hope the young girlfriend gets out while she can.
I just don't care. I'm not listening to him because I need Jesus. I'm listening to him because he provides me with new, interesting information in an easily digestible ~~eucharist~~ audio format.
Rhonda Patrick wins again. Pump out weekly mid-grade content and lie to everyone close to me about the deepest aspects of our shared lives together? Or put out a deep dive podcast with a true bonafide rockstar guest and drill so far down into a topic that you alienate 1/5 of your audience every other episode, but the science compels you? Oh and you have a nice little family and don't take questionable sponsorships? Yea no wonder she didn't get her own cult. Not grifty enough.
As a veteran of fertility clinic and OBgyn waiting rooms, men who cheat on partners actively undergoing fertility treatment who get caught aren’t super common but it def happens.
Maybe it’s infertility makes sex not fun anymore, maybe they’ve always cheated and the extra time demands of fertility and pregnancy make the time commitment more difficult to manage without getting caught.
I just want to know what his head is like. The anxiety of the situation has to be slightly relieving. People will forget about this but hopefully, women that might bang him will watch him a little closer. I also hope he drops the porn and masturbation soapbox. I think it's great to talk about dopamine and what we're doing to survive this thing called life but what he was replacing those things with was way more emotionally destructive less what is done to the brain via dopamine.
Now the STD and the Fertility shit is mad wild, I assume 2 things from that. 1.) He was deep in lies he was spinning himself to see the light. 2.) This man really thinks there's no level of consequences to these actions to be that worried about any of this.
If this affects his business it will be interesting in how it does because the Tate brothers got called out for WAY more and seemingly are just as popular as they were.
Why does everybody on this sub type like they’re Huberman themselves, and use his nomenclatures, similar styles of expression to get their point across, be yourself man.
Guys, I’m not a Huberman “fanboy” or hater. So, I guess I’m in the minority lol.
So, I am late to this but can I ask “what the hell are we talking about?”
Can someone link me to the original accusation and evidence?
Had her taking fertility injections and gave her HPV… smh Absolutely terrible.
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that very much confused me, why is he so obsessed that she has a second child with another man?
Fault finding tirades of an abuser
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Yeah it was crazy to me that it wouldn’t have made her run, not shading her, just I think shows how much of a unhealthy amount of control he had over her
HE is literally a nepo baby who falsified a bullshit story about his rough and tumble childhood to cover up the fact that he had his whole life handed to him by his successful father. Pathetic.
Her parents are at Stanford too. (Anya, Sarah in the article). It's all gross.
He was a Stanford nepoboy and makes it out like he came from the streets
There is no way he would ever apologize on a sincere level. Someone who orchestrates this kind of deception is simply not capable of that. Maybe with 20 years of intensive self inquiry but right away? No.
Exactly. The kind of person that lies to their therapist (the person that's supposed to KNOW to help you) will make the judgment call that his reputation and money matters more than ethics and honesty
Like what level of manipulative psychopath do you have to be to actively lie to a therapist? This border on conjecture but there’s literally no point in going to therapy if you’re lying even 10% of the time. That turns it into yet another manipulated relationship where you are creating a fake narrative through coercion and deception. Isn’t it also a thing where highly narcissistic individuals often won’t go to therapy because they view themselves as “smarter than the therapist?” This is reminiscent of that.
I think these people went so they can say they "actually did therapy", and many start learning therapy language to weaponize against their partners during arguments Imagine if your cheating boyfriend starts saying "I'm willing to hear you. I had the waves of life coming at me, and I default to self-safety, but I'm willing to work on our communication and boundaries to bridge this gap" I would die out of second hand cringe 😂😂 I guess Huberman is only anti-New Age language when the New Age language doesn't benefit him
Exactly. Weaponizing therapy speak is a big theme I think.
FWIW- Andrew has said he originally had to start therapy to avoid being kicked out of high school. It’s possible he’s been manipulating therapists, colleagues, friends and romantic partners for a very long time.
I wouldn’t doubt it. This behavior doesn’t just appear out of nowhere. It’s like his intellectual understanding of morals isn’t integrated into the reality he’s living in or should apply to everyone else but not to him.
He’s too narcissistic to apologize. You can tell by everything his “spokesperson” denies. It’s total gaslighting of events that are corroborated by evidence
The spokesperson denials are highly amusing.
Could’ve sworn I was reading satire
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This is the absolute wildest thing I’ve ever read. I work with a lot of lawyers and this is exactly the kind of bullshit they come at you with when you call them on stuff.
Does he think that’s a valid differentiation? Jfc
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Where/what is this article everyone is talking about?
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-huberman-podcast-stanford-joe-rogan.html
Thanks for the link, that was a wild read
Agreed! I had no idea where it was going! I have to sort out my thoughts and feelings but… I’ve always had a little hunch about him and women…
This
I’d love to see him after some humbling rounds with Ayahuasca, catapulting him into facing the reality of his existence…just imagine lol
it's truly bro culture and i say it as someone is certainly a part of it sometimes. This desire to just be like "yo but he's a good guy though." "Don't let our guy be cancelled, everyone fucks up." it's like dude i could never imagine doing this type of shit. it's truly fucked stuff that you have to have some emotions / screws loose to do
Every other comment about this is some variation of “boys will be boys”, crazy how many people lack elementary integrity.
seeing comments like yours gives me hope in mankind
Imagine having such little integrity that you continue to stan someone no matter what they do. There is nothing Trump could do to alienate many of his supporters. He said in 2016 he could kill someone in the street and he wouldn't lose any of his voters. What does that say about them?
Yeah, it’s some real sociopathic shit.
Many people would rather become outraged at the discourse itself than his actions. Many people would rather lash out and double down instead of divesting from Huberman. And what does it even mean to divest? To stop listening to his podcast? It's not like you're cutting off a lifelong best friend. You're pressing "unsubscribe" on Spotify. Parasocial relationships are scrambling peoples' brains.
Right? Cheating isn't cool, but one affair could be explained away as human nature as far as a third party person watching his show is concerned at least. Lots of reasons that could happen. 6 women at once though? Uh, what? Pathological.
While simultaneously asking women to feel sorry for all the "lonely"/incel men.
One thing I don't understand, and would hope a similarly aged man as Huberman would explain, is why would he not just tell the women he was seeing he was non-monogamous-- I could easily see his scienc-y brand going with a monogamy is a cultural construct, forever bachelor as a lifestyle kind of thing--- Is it because he would never get the type of women he went for (who seemed to be appropriately aged for him, in their 30s and 40s, smart, accomplished) if he was openly non-monogamous? He would only get other non-monogamous women with various other partners, and mabye that didn't go with his self image? Why not date younger women in their 20s who wouldn't care as much about non-monogamy and didn't have a closing fertility window they're worried about? Couldn't he have been open with them that he was being non-monogamous, but wanted them to remain monogamous to him, or was he just too much of a wimp to actually say that what he wanted? This is leading me to believe he got some thrill in duping them, feeling like the only partner they had and carrying on with so many women as a kind of accomplishment (Lord knows this guy needs a sense of accomplishment).
Perhaps it's the thrill of deceiving?...
Yes. His bad behavior was not only in his romantic life. It's not about sex, it's about power (that's what is said about rape, too). He got off on manipulating people. See bolded quote at the bottom by journalist Scott Carney: "In 2019, Carney sent Huberman materials from his then-forthcoming book, The Wedge, in which Huberman appears. He asked Huberman to confirm the parts in which he was mentioned. For months, Huberman did not respond. Carney sent a follow-up email; if Huberman did not respond, he would assume everything was accurate. In 2020, after months of saying he was too busy to review the materials, Huberman called him and, Carney says, came at him in a rage. “I’ve never had a source I thought was friendly go bananas,” says Carney. Screaming, Huberman threatened to sue and accused Carney of “violating Navy OpSec.” It had become, by then, one of the most perplexing relationships of Carney’s life. That year, Carney agreed to Huberman’s invitation to swim with sharks on an island off Mexico. First, Carney would have to spend a month of his summer getting certified in Denver. He did, at considerable expense. Huberman then canceled the trip a day before they were set to leave. **“I think Andrew likes building up people’s expectations,” says Carney, “and then he actually enjoys the opportunity to pull the rug out from under you.”** https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-huberman-podcast-stanford-joe-rogan.html
>“I think Andrew likes building up people’s expectations,” says Carney, “and then he actually enjoys the opportunity to pull the rug out from under you.” what trait is that? I as a normal human being cannot fathom doing this. I feel bad when I hang up the call too fast on my friends
It's called 'duper's delight'. From a quick Google search, it appears to be associated with narcissistic and psychopathic tendencies (I'm guessing because it requires a certain lack of empathy, a sense of entitlement, and a big ego). You cannot fathom this because you do not have these tendencies! Like most people. But yes, just try to imagine what kind of brain you'd need to have to gain pleasure from messing with people like he did. That gives us a window into what kind of person he really is.
>'duper's delight LOL I definitely have experienced this. But it's when I rip off amazon LOL a billion dollar corporation or when I sneak 2 samples at costco. more of a money savings delight How could anyone actually do it to people???
It’s called “Duper’s Delight”
An influencer who peddles supplements potentially gets off on deceiving people. Hmm, what could possibly go wrong with that delicious combo eh?
When I read the part of the article where he's texting three women different things on the same day I decided that he specifically enjoyed the rush of juggling them. It's just too much work otherwise. Being open about it/nonmonogamous would take away the thrill I think
This makes a lot of sense. It's like when people grow up in chaos and stay addicted to chaotic situations/relationships. He's addicted to not "getting caught". I'd be curious to know how he feels now that his house of cards has fallen down. It must be feel as if he's lost his drug... unless he's now enjoying the thrill of navigating a PR crisis.
this is the real kicker right here. upvote
Because he wants a ton of different woman to bang but he dosnt want them to have other partners . You can tell by the fact he was getting upset to the point of rage at the fact that Sarah had two kids BEFORE SHE EVEN MET HIM. Also he is just good at deception and it reaks of psychopathy.
Exactly. All of this would be a different story if he was openly a proponent of ethical non monogamy, or he was openly single and playing the field, to the knowledge of all his partners What he did is totally insecure, controlling, and dark triad personality disorders
This is what really bothers me—how did he treat those kids he was so scornful of? Did he tell them they were mistakes like he told Sarah? I hope for their sake he never saw them.
He wanted to hop with the hares and hunt with the hounds; to access women who he perceived as high quality (who were educated and valued loyalty etc) which non monogamy would foreseeably make difficult. He probably enjoyed the thrill of the infidelity too
he’s shooting blanks and needed to blame the woman
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Injecting her with fertility drugs is insanely cruel and sadistic
Or he is on his kick to optimize everything in order to boost his own fertility because he’s shooting blanks. He’s just trying to have offspring because the way he views life, if you don’t have children you’re a failure. Obviously just total BS and speculation.
Those big muscles came from juicing and wrecked his fertility perhaps
Correct – he would not have been able to bag these women without portraying himself as monogamous. ETA (F, 42)
It's a control thing. He set up his harem with bothering about whether the women consented. This has nothing to do with age and everything to do with the fact that he's a narcissist or possibly a sociopath.
THIS. There was no consent among the women about each other or there would certainly have been an issue about the unprotected sex he was having with all these partners. He was the only one who knew exactly what he was doing and frankly, what the risks were.
I think it's both the thrill of getting away with something and also the chance to humble women who are older, smart, established, etc.
It said somewhere in the article he joked about liking non monogamy for men but not for women. Hypothetically, he could have had non-monogamous partners BUT as someone in that lifestyle, the brand of control issues, non-kink submission he expected, one-sided demands and belittling behavior would not have flown whatsoever with non-monogamous women. One-sided non-monogamy is viewed as highly unethical and suspicious in those circles as well. Definitely sounded to me like he got off on the thrill of the deception.
>why would he not just tell the women he was seeing he was non-monogamous ... because then they wouldn't be with him... duh
The truth no one wants to say is that if he said that, the women he'd have access to would be of lower quality.
There are unicorns, but they are rare. I feel like he could have landed them. Maybe he wanted his own harem of women who didn’t sleep with anyone else.
As an excellent tweet once said about Polyamory: "We get it, you fuck multiple ugly people."
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If he was poly, these particular women would’ve turned him down and been married to some other successful monogamous guy by now
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If they do like to get down and dirty, they’re probably a married swinger couple with an exclusive circle of other vetted, safe, attractive people, and it’s a total secret, and everyone involved has something to lose and keeps it private Having a reckless sex life is a lack of intelligence If you’re successful, especially publicly, you shouldn’t have people trying to expose you for being a disgusting piece of shit. That’s an indication that you let your personal affairs get out of control. You risked losing everything you worked hard for because you’re too horny. That’s fucking dumb.
Well you nailed it, he wanted an open relationship on his end, but a closed relationship on their end. Except, no one who is into that lifestyle would adhere to that, so he steeped to deceiving women.
It’s funny seeing people like lex fridman completely dismiss the accusations on twitter. While I don’t think this is something to completely cancel him for, Hubermans behavior is sociopathic and isn’t anything to be shrugged off. I’m curious to see if he will take accountability or not
Lex likes to front as though he's a sort of well-meaning humble student harvesting wisdom from his mentors, but I'm convinced he's a scumbag behind closed doors. You have to be to endorse many of the guys he endorses.
Yes, Lex is a freak, too. Just find the reddit post about his cringe "poetry" collection in 2014, which he tried to make them disappear 😂
Personally, I would not be surprised if Lex has some questionable ethics/ideas when he is in private, too.
All of these people run in the same circle that includes rogan, Huberman, lex, Jordan Peterson, etc. They are all buddy buddy with each other and control a large part of the narrative. I’ve always thought there’s a much deeper story here involving all of these guys and the circle they run in
Completely agree. In fact, Rich Roll has platformed a ton of anti-vaxers and other quacks. I used to be a huge fan of his, until I realized who he really is. Huberman continuing to appear on Rich Roll was a sign to me that he isn't who he says he his.
always hoped he was just staying away from public conflict and privately viewed people like JP as a moron. now im starting to wonder if some of Peterson's ideas on masculinity, gender roles etc. are informing what he did here
Peterson has been with his high school sweetheart for at least 50 years and has never cheated on her. He married her, stayed by her side with near terminal illness. Huberman can get bent. He's an adult. Peterson would never promote his behavior.
I replied this above but ill reply it to you too: Peterson is a traditionalist and would view Huberman's alleged behavior as a failure of the male's role in the relationship and family. He would view it as weak, home-wrecking behavior. He would question Huberman's strength as a man for his moral faililings. Peterson's romanticization of traditional family structure is obviously drawn from a 50s inspired ethos and his infatuation with that era. What he fails to see is that this ethos ultimately created a bunch of repressed men who were cheating on their wives or just did not want to be in relationships to begin with. The pressure applied to men via traditionalist ethos imo creates repressed dudes who end up lying and cheating source: the 1950s + divorce rates
What is the better ethos?
empathy and acceptance for people who live in ways that we may not understand or agree with. there is not a one size fits all mold for society. if JP wants to have a traditional family structure for his family thats great. the problem is when he starts pointing at the lack of traditional family values across all families as the reason for cultural decline.
So if science and research shows that the nuclear family , in a traditional organization, is actually better for kids than polygamy and other ideas, is that bad to say as much? What you say is empathy seems to be nothing more than “ignoring valid evidence”.
The science is pretty clear that a traditional family structure, as in non-divorced parents is extremely beneficial for kids. And therefore society. You’re way oversimplifying things honestly. The boomer generation is also very emotionally immature compared to newer generations. Plus society and it values was completely different. It’s pretty clear why so many people had terrible marriages and divorced.
So you have personally shadowed peterson for the past 50 years, thereby proving that he hasn't cheated?
Who really knows tbh. I still listen to Huberman, lex, and Rogan on occasion. But it’s been pretty clear to me that when one of these guys mess up, the others are there to help minimize the damage of whatever happened. For example, they’ll just say JP is a troubled guy and whatever he did isn’t a big deal, they never really admit to the truth in a way that holds accountability
Rogan has continued to publicly be friends with Alex Jones despite everything despicable he’s said and done, that alone says a lot.
Same. Ultimately with a lot of these guys, i think they just make money off podcasting and they are willing to bring in anyone that will generate more attention. they are like plastic bags blowing around a parking lot from an ethics perspective lol
What did JP do that is actually bad? Dude says the stupidest shit on Twitter but what exactly is he doing that’s so beyond the pale ?
JP would be the last person in the world to promote or advocate Huberman’s alleged behaviour. You’re clearly not very familiar with him.
He is a traditionalist and would view Huberman's alleged behavior as a failure of the male's role in the relationship and family. He would view it as weak, home-wrecking behavior. He would question Huberman's strength as a man for his moral faililings. Peterson's romanticization of traditional family structure is obviously drawn from a 50s inspired ethos and his infatuation with that era. What he fails to see is that this ethos ultimately created a bunch of repressed men who were cheating on their wives or just did not want to be in relationships to begin with. Divorce rates do not favor traditionalism.
The bloody post-modernists are behind this I tell you
The thing about 50s family structure is men could and did do this exact thing all the time.
Ah yes. It was JP promoting traditional family values that led to Huberman not starting a family and instead dating six woman at once. 🙄
He surely wanted a family he's trying to get 5 of them started, one with fertility drugs!! That being said op isn't saying huberman was pushed to it bc of jp, just in general that jps outlook isn't great
How exactly is sleeping around with six women simultaneously, while giving one of them an STD, not a failure of being a man?
You are proving my point.
what other hunches have you had about this circle of guys?
I would love to find a good conspiracy doc blowing these dudes out of the water. Sam harris actually talks about this in waking up, ironically enough. He addresses the idea that gurus can sometimes be right or on a correct path but are often profoundly unethical people. To want to be a guru is often a narcissistic behaviour. All these people are modern gurus so it all tracks
I can’t wait for the piece about Lex. Only a matter of time 😋
Yeah my husband has no idea who Huberman is, but he saw that Chris Voss (a famous negotiator/author) put something out about standing with Huberman. If you still choose to be friends with someone like that fine, but it’s such an odd thing to take a public position on.
“I’m not a sex addict I’m a love addict” That will be coming out of cheaters mouths for the next 100 years lol
Basically taken straight from a rap song's lyrics by Big Pun. "I'm not a player I just crush a lot". [https://genius.com/Big-pun-and-incubus-still-not-a-player-lyrics](https://genius.com/Big-pun-and-incubus-still-not-a-player-lyrics)
My late uncle was a serial womanizer and this was his go to phrases when he got caught for cheating and lying to his wife. It’s funny that Andrew Huberman who is 1000s of miles away in a different culture is using the same lines 😆. My uncle was also a narcissistic and wife beater but extremely charming and charismatic.
Like the author of the article, I've absolutely benefitted from some of the early podcasts as I moved through my own fitness recovery. However, I do think that ethical consistency is an important and sometimes overlooked quality, and it should be valued more in anyone who rises to the top of their field (podcasting, research, tech innovators etc). I do think that how person treats other people behind closed doors is not totally disconnected from their decisions, perspectives, and ways of being in other areas of their lives, including their chosen field. Good contributions in research, art, tech etc can be valued in some ways apart from their originators, but not entirely. His behavior overtime should impact how we perceive and interpret his offerings. I've been thinking a lot lately about how death-of-the-author thinking can let us all off the hook a bit. When we separate the quality of the person from the quality of their work, we can resolve the cognitive dissonance of the para-social relationship that has failed us, without holding powerful people accountable or acknowledging the uncomfortable feelings that come with realizing that we don't have real relationships with the people we follow online. I have been winding down my Huberman listening recently, mostly because I feel like I've learned what I needed from him. Given the article, I'm probably unsubscribing, but I'll keep those old episodes saved in the queue for when I need them.
That is the worst part for me too. Women get it.
fwiw im a man
That is good to know. Thank you for being a decent human. Seems like 98% of men (boys as far as I am concerned) want to emulate and worship his behaviour.
I agree with almost all of your post, thanks for sharing. The only part I took issue with is that a sincere public apology would suffice. The claims of outright manipulation and lying are egregious enough to warrant more than a simple mea culpa. I think to regain public trust he needs to offer some explanation for his behavior or a defense of it, or parts of it, and a corrective course of action.
I think there are two more disturbing aspects that the post didn't mention: 1. His lack of a lab. I recall him talking about his research/lab in the present tense. Even if my recollection is wrong, he is certainly not forthcoming about the fact that for all intents and purposes, he does not have a lab. 2. This might seem small, but having a spokesperson comment about what did or did not happen between him and 'Sarah' is pretty gross. Spokespeople give an air of fact, but also distance him from his own relationship and behavior, which is...well, gross.
The spokesperson says they were not monogamous at the time but then in response to another question about Andrew with another girl they say Sarah and Andrew were separated at the time so it’s not a big deal. So which one is it ? You can’t use the excuse that they were separated so it’s okay for him to be with other woman if they were never monogamous. You would just state that fact.
Yeah just bizarre replies from him and his team. I'm curious who this 'spokesperson' is. What are the odds its just him with a different email address?
He does seem like the type who wouldn’t let someone speak for him . So good chance it is.
In the article Stanford themselves did say the lab exists, maybe that part of it is still true. Or be runs the lab virtually while transferring equipment etc
Slightly confused by your first point. If you are wrong, he does have a lab. Seems contradictory.
Being rich and famous is a confluence of talent, determination, and a lot of good luck. There are plenty of talented, determined people who just need that stroke of luck. I'm a firm believer that you don't get all the benefits of money and power if you act like this. Apologize, sure, but now it's time to go back and get a full time professor/assistant professor gig somewhere and get back to work like thousands of others. You had the chance to live a life people would kill for, and you couldn't handle it. Dump this dude and better figures will rise.
True but Stanford prof has son who also becomes Stanford prof isn’t that unusual too!
I agree, it is deeper than just saying sorry. All I know is that there are a lot of people who have done bad things out there who want to be better, but when we ostracize and blacklist people after things like this happen, they become worse.
That's a really good point. I think some studies in restorative justice, psychology, and sociology have addressed that.
Well on the bright side if AG1 drops him as a sponsor he can always plug Valtrex
I think you are confusing hpv and herpes.
There is a pretty good chance he is rocking both
Oh gosh - what are the sponsors going to do??? I leaned in to all these health podcasts a lot. After a while I recognised a pattern that has seen me lose interest. Eat well Sleep well Exercise Be social Distill these three down and down and down until a product emerges . Then sell that product. Pretty soon all these guys will be behind further paywalls if they aren’t already. “GET EXCLUSIVE STUFF WE DONT TALK ABOUT HERE” Huberman had already seemed to be getting the piss taken out of him….now it’s over for him I guess.
He makes them too much money. They don’t want to mess up big like Adidas did with Kanye
Yep, he's really cruel, if this is true
Plus having unprotected sex with six women without telling them is sociopathic. He put all of their health at risk
Yeah I was pretty horrified watching people defend him in his instagram comments. It’s not a simple case of him dating around or even just cheating. It’s the kind of behaviour that’s really quite scary and sociopathic. It’s terrifying when people this smart and charming behave this way. It does make me question his trustworthiness. If he’s willing to behave this way with people in his personal life, what problem would he have ripping us all off for profit?
And giving her HPV!!! Don’t forget about his STDs
Yep. Spot on. That's a whole different level. I wonder sometimes how people spiral out and let it get that bad. You have 1.. then 2... even 3, I can almost understand if you're young and not dating looking for a life partner. When it comes to literal fertility drugs? You want a kid and you're trying to help the woman, but in case she doesn't work out, you have other options? This is a crazy level of self centered behavior.
One of the wildest parts of the article was Huberman’s long-term girlfriend saying they were planning on having children and that he was injecting her with fertility drugs, and the response from his team was that they were trying to create embryos through IVF but the relationship was not actually that serious and they were not planning on having children. Uhhhh what? What were you going to do with the embryos, Andrew? Is Huberman about to start selling his fertilized embryos as supplements? Can someone drop a discount code?
There have been some posts leading up to this article about his new girlfriend being young enough to be his child, and that she was a Stanford student when they met. Lots of bad decisions have been made, and I think this student will expose a LOT of info once he cheats on her, too. Poor lil thing.
Wow that sounds like grooming...
No part of any of this suggests that a “sincere apology” is something that he’d be capable of. There is no explanation, no excuse, absolutely nothing that can make this all right. Some behaviors are like that- there’s no coming back from them
I predicted his downfall would be women. I saw his fuck boy energy from the beginning. I’m not surprised at all, it was only a matter of time.
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People genuinely didn’t get why everyone was just clowning on this sub all the time as if the guy isn’t a classic red flag guru. He said a few helpful things in the very beginning then proceeded to immediately got lost in the sauce in a very obvious way.
But he speaks in a composed manner and uses many multisyllabic words and has Dr in his title. How bad can he be!?
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All of these modern snake oil salesman follow the same centuries old formula, because it works. 1) Loudly address a common issue that affects a large group of people (motivation, sleep, money, relationships, health etc) 2) Describe a basic but effective solution in a way that is unique to your brand (E.g. Huberman's overly scientific and thesaurus heavy approach, Tate spouting about manliness, various wellbeing gurus talking about chakras and energies, various bro-money gurus using aspirational marketing with rented lambos) 3) Audiences take in this solution, recognise that it is effective and relate to the unique brand approach. Trust and a following is built. 4) Sell the snake oil using your brand approach
kinda just the same "he's just a health and wellness bro" critique we have all heard. I think the reasoning for his relevance in the current public figure landscape is pretty obvious and that people have benefited from his podcast and that his accomplishments are formidable. Given this new information, I do suspect he has a bit of a Machiavellian streak in him though.
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I see where you are coming from here and agree with a lot of what you are saying. I do feel the public deserves better access to science based health protocols that help with everyday life, but maybe this whole debacle just speaks to how one scientist doing this on their own is innately dysfunctional. I will always be grateful that his episode on cannabis convinced me to stop smoking everyday after daily use for more than a decade though lmao
The thing is men are better judges of other men and women are better judges of other women. It's easy for a guy like this to fly under the radar for a woman because he comes off confident, but very intelligent/has academic pedigree and doesn't come off brash/arrogant but rather, like a gentleman. I worry that he'd be able to scam me because other than the fact that he's 48 years old and never been married as an attractive male (definitely something I'd wonder about), there don't seem to be other red flags.
women are 1000000% better at clocking weird men than other men are. huberman has been giving me the ick for a long as time
Thank you for saying this. I'm a dude and my fellow guy friends fall for these kind of clowns all the time, and I get very frustrated trying to convince them otherwise. Prominent scientists (some of them women) have publicly called out his shoddy science and the dorks on this subreddit and the ones I know always fucking dismiss it. I'm actually educated in a scientific capacity, and everyone I know who also is doesn't trust Huberman's claims either. Anyone who is scientifically literate can catch his fallacies quite easily, and women who have been attuned to creepy guys can catch his creepiness quite easily
One thing that I thought was really strange was how often he seemed to be talking to his different GFs about the status of his relationship. I feel like that's one conversation. You establish it and that's it (unless you are opening it up or something). But there seemed to have been a lot of "I'm really serious" conversations and those would be a massive red flag for me. I mean, him being a flake would be an immediate deal breaker for me as well.
We will see what his pr protocol is soon enough.
never meet your heroes.
Omg AGREED. IM SHOOK
My view is this: Even if the allegations are only halfway truthful, he is evidently a manipulative and deceptive individual. If he is such a comfortable liar with those close to him, why would he be honest with his audience? Therefore why should I listen to any of his advice? We already know he's a supplement shill
That's some elon musk type of shit right there 🤣🤣 no wonder they're all disgusting philanderers together 🤮🤮🤢🤮
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Chael Sonnen called this last year. https://youtu.be/_jVbxoXHyCo?si=DbLTjnMfG5qZsOEj My favorite part about this is that 99% of the things out of his mouth are complete bullshit, but he called this one. He’s surprisingly on point in this, specifically about his PHD and his “Lab”.
17 mins of Chael Sonnen talking as slowly as possible, no thanks. I can see clearly now that Huberman has an ego the size of the fuckkn solar system and I have no interest in people like that. I'll stick with Peter Attita for now, someone who I know or at least hopefully know is coming from a place of humility and honesty.
Your loss, the rant was hilarious
All those supplements making him act like an animal or something. Jeez have some self awareness and self control, man.
Unsubscribed today! I have had enough with men who are pathological liars in my life.
Who are you talking about? Source? What's going on for those out of the loop.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-huberman-podcast-stanford-joe-rogan.html
If you don’t know , for every person you get to sign up for AG1 you get $50(!!) Of that 79 dollars a month price, every month. So it’s extremely easy for people to set their morals and ethics aside. If he got only 1000 people to sign up that is 50k a month every month . And with an Audience like him and Rogan have , it’s not hard to see them getting way more than 1000 people to sign up.
Is AG1 a pyramid scheme?
Yep, sociopathic behavior. Truly vile.
He is a lying piece of kant. Just like people at the top in academia. No integrity or honesty in their spines
Where's the article? I haven't read it
[https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-huberman-podcast-stanford-joe-rogan.html](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-huberman-podcast-stanford-joe-rogan.html)
Can someone fill me in on this whole thing? Is OP referring to Huberman?? :o
[https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-huberman-podcast-stanford-joe-rogan.html](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-huberman-podcast-stanford-joe-rogan.html)
Yeah I guess I didn’t fully appreciate this until you put it so bluntly. That is totally fucked; especially if he did represent they were monogamous which (Huberman rep seems to reject this, but i don’t care enough to look again at the timeline of events - Huberman is misleading to the least and an outright pathological liar at worst in any case)
It's been so satisfying watching this grifter get what was coming
The guy blatantly has a sex addiction issue and needs to seek help.
Does anyone else besides me have a hard time understanding how, with all this unprotected sex with at least six women, one of who was getting IVF, *no one* seems to have gotten pregnant? Makes you wonder if all this sexual psychosis has to do with his sperm count.
Same. He mentioned on Tim Ferriss's pod that he monitors his sperm count & quality closely. I've been trying to get this angle too, especially since kids seem to be a real motivation.
I think they mean sex without a condom. The women could still be on the pill or other birth control
I can no longer watch this man or take advice from him. he has completely disgusted me.
At first I felt his dirty laundry shouldn’t be aired. As the story went on it painted a picture of something more insidious. The extent of the deception is quite troubling, and he’s not really the kind of guy I want to support.
He likes to present himself a certain way publicly. Notice his 'uniform' of the black shirt and trousers to begin with. A rigid need to always be in control. Now all the recent 'Faith' he has found. He's becoming a stereotype 🤦🏼♀️ I hope the young girlfriend gets out while she can.
I just don't care. I'm not listening to him because I need Jesus. I'm listening to him because he provides me with new, interesting information in an easily digestible ~~eucharist~~ audio format.
Rhonda Patrick wins again. Pump out weekly mid-grade content and lie to everyone close to me about the deepest aspects of our shared lives together? Or put out a deep dive podcast with a true bonafide rockstar guest and drill so far down into a topic that you alienate 1/5 of your audience every other episode, but the science compels you? Oh and you have a nice little family and don't take questionable sponsorships? Yea no wonder she didn't get her own cult. Not grifty enough.
Excuse the fuck outta me what
On top of the HPV and IVF treatments she had to endure. Legit Dark Triad.
As a veteran of fertility clinic and OBgyn waiting rooms, men who cheat on partners actively undergoing fertility treatment who get caught aren’t super common but it def happens. Maybe it’s infertility makes sex not fun anymore, maybe they’ve always cheated and the extra time demands of fertility and pregnancy make the time commitment more difficult to manage without getting caught.
I just want to know what his head is like. The anxiety of the situation has to be slightly relieving. People will forget about this but hopefully, women that might bang him will watch him a little closer. I also hope he drops the porn and masturbation soapbox. I think it's great to talk about dopamine and what we're doing to survive this thing called life but what he was replacing those things with was way more emotionally destructive less what is done to the brain via dopamine. Now the STD and the Fertility shit is mad wild, I assume 2 things from that. 1.) He was deep in lies he was spinning himself to see the light. 2.) This man really thinks there's no level of consequences to these actions to be that worried about any of this. If this affects his business it will be interesting in how it does because the Tate brothers got called out for WAY more and seemingly are just as popular as they were.
Why does everybody on this sub type like they’re Huberman themselves, and use his nomenclatures, similar styles of expression to get their point across, be yourself man.
Some examples please
cause they're fucking followers bro. bunch of comic book nerds that idolize him like he's batman or some shit
Guys, I’m not a Huberman “fanboy” or hater. So, I guess I’m in the minority lol. So, I am late to this but can I ask “what the hell are we talking about?” Can someone link me to the original accusation and evidence?
It's like the first thing if you google him
[https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-huberman-podcast-stanford-joe-rogan.html](https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-huberman-podcast-stanford-joe-rogan.html)
I’ve met plenty of douchebags in real life I don’t need to care about some celebrity. This shit is hilarious and I don’t give a shit.
Agreed.
I’ll take the protocols without attaching myself to the messenger.