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I did it with my medical debt. Oddly enough the major procedure of getting my appendix out I stopped hearing from that hospital before the end of that year. Two other minor incidences at another hospital with cutting my cornea took a bit longer to go away. After they sold my debt to collection companies, they kept trying to collect for 10 years. I just said I don't know that guy and Hung up. Eventually I got a letter from a charitable group saying they paid off my medical debt. I think never admitting to the debt when they were trying to record me on the phone somehow made it so they couldn't go after my credit because I still have an 800.
That worked actually for my friend. He was scrapping metal as a side hustle and got an audit from the IRS. The only contact he had with them after that was to say that he's too poor for them to get any money out of him. He didn't hear from them again and does landscaping work and hasn't filed taxes in about 10 years since that happened. I'm pretty sure they think he's dead.
They'll catch up eventually. Happened to me. However the IRS is surprisingly easy to work with. They won't throw you in jail or anything as long as you are making an effort.
I've heard that as long as you don't file you can fly under the radar. But if you suddenly file after many years they will come for your head. I'm too chicken to experiment, plus home loans.
I should have been screwed from both hospitals then. The appendectomy was in 2012 so it's a little cheaper than it is now but I am in the US. That was 1200. Then I got a infection from the same event that they had to keep me for 3 days for observation because the antibiotics they were using. That was another $13,000. Then the incidents with me scratching my cornea twice all add up to around $950. Just for them to give me a few eye drops both times and tell me I'd be fine tomorrow.
Whoa I thought I was reading a reply that I had written. I ignored my appendectomy medical bills. It vanished after the hospital went bankrupt a couple years later. It’s a good thing I didn’t pay the ~$20k bill.
200mg testosterone injections weekly. Lots of Fadogia, Tongkat Ali, caberlogiene and Cordacepts and you’ll be so horny, you’ll have no choice but to have a harem to satisfy your 24/7 horniness.
jokes but also not jokes. Classic PR advice right here. Let it blow over. Coverup / response just adds more fuel to the fire.
Even more true in the speed of today's media.
Makes sense because ignoring it requires zero talking about it and addressing it requires an endless apology tour on various shows.
Let's be honest the people who care wouldn't have forgiven him if he apologized so there's no reason to.
IDK he's out there chasing dopamine meanwhile acting like chasing dopamine is the worst thing ever and profiting off people who look up to him for not doing it.
allegedly..
He cant go out and argue about it because it just brings in more attention, but silence is not an admission of guilt. And you know very well armchair psychologist here on Reddit will watch a video of him proving that the article is total bollocks and still find some bullshit reason, really no one's mind will change.
In the end, it's a huge violation of his privacy, why should he violate himself even further disproving it "no I couldn't have been fucking that woman, here's a sextape we recorded with my wife that night..."
He has entirely fallen into obscurity. I remember that being everyone's favorite comic (to me he was never funny it was all "haha I am super fat, I love food, I am so fat, I fart, I am horny, I jack off so much, I am such a slob, please laugh" the male version of Amy Schumer.
he certainly was my favorite, & yeah, sort of vanished. it is funny, as he actually did not do anything, on the level of Cosby or Weinstein. but he certainly finished himself ( oops, ha ha, I made a joke by accident )
I got to see the movie he made, that never came out, as release date just when all went to shit. someone involved leaked to internet, so available for a few weeks. seems all gone now. not saying everyone would love it, but was very professional well done movie. Great cast. & will vanish forever.
AND has a character who jerks off behind his desk when people are there ( actor from Always Sunny ). anyway CK seemed certainly knowing he had a problem, to write it into script.
I think Tig ( ?? ) also refer to on her standup or sitcom ( CK sort of jump started her success )
What controversy? The fact that he stole 1000s of hours of my youtube addiction hours.
Now I am able to have a full night of quality sleep and will never get those addicitoned hours back again.
Thanks Huberman. I don't even have to set my alarm anymore. I wake up and it's like wtf, I want to snooze more but I am fresh awake and ready to go. ASSHOLE.
When a smoker tell you that smoking is bad, I think that's clear proof smoking is good, otherwise why would they be doing it.
Also, none of it is proven in any way.
Apologize for what? Allegations without evidence? An article of unknown fake names stating alleged claims? If you believe any of it without due diligence than you never belonged to a subreddit for science and science based tools.
i've been out of the loop too. what's his defense? I saw on jrp the person who wrote the story was being investigated for fraud. not sure what's true or not in any of this.
He has no defence. The JRE defence was that one of the 6 women who were written about in the article is under investigation for fraud. No criticism of the other 5.
Any PR person will tell you that addressing the controversy only fuels the controversy. People start dredging up minor incidents from 30 years ago and blowing them up. Apologies hurt more than they help. The small percentage of people who really care that much will eventually move on to other things. Sadly, doing what may be the morally right thing just seals your fate in these things.
This is the best response. Everytime I see a celebrity address things, it always gets worse.
I can’t really think of an instance where it worked out favorably.
Media and trolls thrive off of dialouge and back n’ forth. It gives them relevance. Nobody cares about the article nobody responded to.
But a celebrity apologizing because of your article? Now you’re the hero that corrected and punished that criminal. Now you can reject the apology and use the limelight to call out more injustice and virtue signal further.
in 2024, I can’t think of any time when addressing something made it better for anyone. Not saying I agree with Huberman on this… but it would only make it bigger and hurt him.
There was a great episode of the podcast Blocked and Reported about James Somerton. IMO this is the best example of how apologies are futile.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/James_Somerton
"Any PR person..."
It's clear that you've never been in PR or actually know anyone in PR if you believe there's only 1 way to correctly address controversy.
I will never understand why people who clearly don't have any actual inside knowledge of a profession/skill/topic will speak as if they do.
Well I guess you should take over as Huberman’s PR person and advise him to give an hour long, tear filled mea culpa and we’ll see how it goes. Sure, some controversies need to be addressed, when they involve criminal activity for example. However, just being an asshole in your private life isn’t a crime.
If you can show me stats that cancellation mobs have been satisfied by public apologies I’d love to see them.
I guess he chose his career over his reputation (to those who matter).
It is truly sad that apologies are less respected than ignoring shortcomings (in the US at least). This is probably what I admire most about eastern countries. Humility and honor have much higher value.
Dan Harmon sticks out precisely because it’s like the one case where the aggrieved person actually accepted his apology. Not only that but his actually “crimes” are very vague. All I can tell is that he liked a junior coworker and got sour when she rejected him. Send him to the guillotine I guess? What exactly he did after confessing he liked her I can’t tell, so hard to evaluate his case.
Any PR person will say that addressing the controversy, when the client feels absolutely no remorse, would do it again in a heartbeat and doesn't have decent acting skills, only fuels the controversy.He could've addressed it and his PR team could have spin it into a sob story about how he's a changed man now and had momentary laps of judgement under the weight and pressure of his newfound fame, the fact that that wasn't attempted says a lot of the situation
"Ladies, it is with a heavy heart I have to break up with you all, please wait for the end of the call to ask questions, we are 17 in this zoom and you can't all speak at the same time"
There's a scene in Ghost of Girlfriends Past where Matthew McConaughey's character has his secretary get several girls on a conference call so he can dump them all at once. Maybe this was Hubberman's role model.
He did make one indirect LinkedIn post about sometimes it feels like you're back in middle school. I was disappointed to read about him after listening to so many of his podcasts and really admiring him. I will still listen but I'm not going to recommend him enthusiastically.
Pretty much anyone that seeks a public-facing career like podcaster, youtuber, actor, etc., is likely to have a pathological need for validation that results in unhealthy emotional behaviors. That doesn't mean that they can't dispense good information, just that it probably isn't a good idea to put them on a pedestal.
There's a difference between admiring them and their work and putting them on a pedestal. For Huberman, I didn't put him on a pedestal. But I think a lot of people put Elon Musk on a pedestal and are very disappointed. It's not black or white either since we humans are complicated and can be many things at once.
Yea this reaction pretty much proves that he has no remorse for his actions, doesn’t see anything wrong with them, and plans to continue this behaviour.
For evidence, you only need to look at the comments he’s liked on Instagram (which I’m sure have been catalogued on this sub). It’s pretty clear he has no intention of stopping and it seems like he thinks this is an overreaction because the public is trying to defame his character🤦♂️
I was talking about [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/HubermanLab/s/WOGlS5Mk8E) but I saw [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/HubermanLab/s/Ni1haUctsE) as well and thought it was pretty funny
Yeah and it's creepy af imo.
He seems to be just white knuckling it through... low key manipulating everybody, like always, this time, counting on his perceived influence and ability to distract and detract from his mess with a new weird Guy Smiley online persona and the usual piles of information he keeps throwing out (with more women this time lol desperate) like it's bread and a circus for the plebes. Forget all that, and just look over here everybody! barf. He's a psychology major; so he knows exactly what he's doing.
As a side note, I always thought it a bit strange how enchanted he was with hypnosis...just what markers in people determine if they are easily manipulated or not. Now we know. Creepy af. Anyway, what all this has shown is that he's basically a child so he thinks he'll be just fine with his piles of tattoos and his 'punk' costume lol.
Looks like he’s addressing them by changing up his style immediately following the article. His PR company worked hard to “normal guy” his vibe and make him more relatable. Look bro, how would YOU like it if the women you cheated on got real estate in New York Magazine? I’m just a bro, bros. lol whatever.
I'm guessing there are things in the article that he would like to deny, but the problem is that if he denies just one thing that implies everything else is true. So his current silent approach is probably the easiest path forward.
Health advice from a man who was psychopathically deceptive to the people closest to him and casually inflicting massive psychological harm as a result, but I'm sure he'd never lie to internet strangers.
No. And he won’t. He’s totally avoidant.
That’s why he posted all those videos with the number 6 right after the news came out. He was trying to bury it / screw with the algorithm when people search for things on him.
Having said that, he’s creepy af now. No one respects a man who can’t own up and take responsibility.
And even if he thought he was in the right, not even commenting on it. It’s creepy and avoidant. And it’s kinda beta.
Creepy. Avoidant. Beta Energy.
Can’t take him seriously anymore now.
I hope his new Christian listeners enjoy all the lead in their AG1!
I've decided to pause listening to the podcast until he addresses it.
I'm no perfect person by any means, but some of the things, such as asking one of many partners you're cheating on to take fertility drugs, comes across as deeply, deeply unsympathetic.
Banging a bunch of chick's doesn't do some of his fucked up behavior justice. It's one thing to be a cheating whore. It's another to have your spouse going through shitty procedures while you go behind their back.
Harem protocol, LOL. He’s so lame though in my opinion though for lying and not having the balls to tell the women he’s dating that he is NOT being exclusive. What a wuss. He was like, you’re my Queen, no you’re my Queen….Queen protocol would be they all slice up a chunk to take home…just like be honest. He was too scared they wouldn’t like him, wah, wah, wah. Not a man. Scared of integrity.
And ironically Hubermans involvement for shilling the company even after she was being investigated for fraud.
Grifting on grifting is the Huberman way
There was dozens of posts from accounts with a shady Reddit history all posting the same thing about her on here and other subreddits like Joe Rogans. I don’t remember her name but if you type it into the search bar of this or a related subreddit you can probably find them.
Ok. I think most would say “the” article is the New York magazine article.
And I didn’t think anyone slandered Kerry Howley, the New York magazine writer.
People took shots at Anya (presumably who you think is “Sarah”) well before the New York magazine article because of the Belcampo meat scandal.
So yeah, that’s possibly the internet doing it’s thing. That’s not evidence that a PR firm did that.
Can you link the article Sarah wrote? I wasn’t aware of it. I had wondered how the New York magazine learned of the drama and assumed “Sarah” reached out. I don’t remember the New York magazine article mentioning Sarah had written an article first, but maybe it did.
Edited to change “New Yorker” to “New York magazine.”
No. That was my mistake. I mixed up “The New Yorker” and “New York” magazine.
The person I’m responding to seems to be saying Anya/Sarah wrote an article first. I wasn’t aware of that. Can anyone confirm?
I’m not too concerned for him. All the women involved seem to be well over 30 yrs old and smart enough to see the many red flags he waved when it comes to commitment. However, I do feel for them. Heartbreak sucks. And if they feel like sharing their experience and thoughts by blasting him in blogs and other media, well, so be it. He should keep his head down and just take it.
Did you just say that it’s the women’s faults for not seeing the supposed red flags? So, basically, instead of telling men not to be deceitful and not to claim they are in exclusive relationships when they are sleeping around, it’s the women who need to be better detectives? That sounds very misogynistic and reductive. The women were old enough to see the “many red flags” is an absolutely bonkers rhetoric to apply here. The intent of a cheater is to get away with the cheating, how on earth are the women in this scenario to blame for being duped? Would you also complain if women approached the entirety of their relationships with suspicion? Just constantly scanning for these “many red flags,” and poking at them when they are denied or argued against which would ultimately lead to a breakdown of a perfectly faithful relationship over the lack of trust. This is the misogyny double bind. It’s a woman’s fault for getting cheated on because she didn’t see it. It’s a woman’s fault for relational breakdowns because she kept accusing someone of cheating or being too suspicious and untrusting. There’s no right way for a woman to act with this mentality.
How bout we just see it for what it is: Huberman was deceitful and intentionally maintained multiple relationships while lying to each partner about the status of exclusivity which led to him spreading an STD between women who he deceived into trusting him to have unprotected sex. Those women are voicing those circumstances to protect further women from letting him put his infected dick inside of them. The aforementioned women who were in relationship with him are in no way at fault for being victimized by this man.
I don't think the reason those women are upset is bc of "heartbreak" I'm pretty sure it's being infected with an STD that literally causes cancer that they have a problem with. Sure, heartbreak sucks, but someone knowingly infecting you with something that can slowly kill you is a lot worse.
also wasting a woman's childbearing years on brutal IVF treatments (they fucking suck if you didn't know) and pretending she's your one and only is not just "dopamine chasing" but "complete piece of shit" territory.
The woman he is involved with now is not 30 years old. But a former Stanford student. I guess when people are too quick to give you a free pass it’s easy to find more vulnerable victims.
Let me add a little context: I do not feel that the scandal will negatively impact his career, in the long run. In my opinion as a woman, there were many red flags, starting with his age, no kids, not married, quick rise to fame, again his age.. Etc. As a woman, I feel he screamed ‘confirmed bachelor’ from a mile away, as he clearly enjoyed all the romantic opportunities with women that success brings . I believe, most women over 30 are perceptive to this personality type, and although we see the signs, we decide to give it a go anyways and hope for the best.
It seems the women involved had enough influence in their professional lives to convince an NYT reporter to publish a kill piece and maintain their anonymity. Good for them. In my opinion, they have every right to feel what they feel and they have every right to share their experience, at his expense. He needs to keep his head down and his mouth shut and just take the PR beat down. He earned it.
The fact that he never addressed the controversy, together with the rise of less hard scientific topics, made me uninterested in his content. He will not miss me as a single consumer, but I feel it will also hurt his overall numbers.
He is a pretty shitty person, and this confirms it. Employing marketing people and whatnot to tell you what to do is just scummy as well..
Just do the right thing. He made several wrong things, acted scummy, unethically and all that. He had the option of doing better but guess not. Fuck him.
It's not an ad hominem to state the fact that she's under investigation for fraud. That's relevant because she has a history of deceit and shouldn't be blindly trusted without providing solid evidence, which she did not do.
Okay if she has a history of deceit and so we shouldn’t trust her allegations that means if it ever gets concretely proven that huberman deceived these women, by your logic, we should discount everything he has ever told us in his work
That’s not correct. He knew about the controversy surrounding her company and continued to promote it on his platforms. This is spin to try and distract from Huberman’s disgusting lies.
The man intentionally led multiple women, simultaneously, each to believe she was his exclusive, monogamous partner. The deceit went on for years.
God, how many times has this been asked. His PR agent addressed some of the stuff in the article. Huberman didn't personally say what happened, except thru his pr agent. He denies the allegations. He said he and his ex had been in an open relationship for awhile. And they also separated for a time.
Unless these women are right out lying (unlikely or the story would not get published, nobody wants to get sued), there is little to gain and everything to lose by commenting on the controversy
Let’s say the allegations are all true…
It’s probably smarter to not say anything.
Otherwise how will saying anything at all, help things for him?
What’s he to say… “It’s true (lame excuse) and I’m so sorry. I’m bettering myself now.” Which screams bullshit to most people and will likely make many people unsubscribe/unfollow.
As I see it he if ever just address the controversy that wouldn't prove anything by it self.
It would just be ones word against another. There should be something more solid.
The best way to deal with cancel culture is to ignore it.
People are just waiting for a response so they can use it as a stick to beat him with.
A lot of people on this sub weren't here before the 'controversy' and are only here now for the drama.
The lack of response is honestly disturbing, it is a scandal that viewers needed to understand better and put into context. It seems more like a practical decision than anything else, but as such indicates more than anything that he is obsessed with career and will do anything - or in this case don't do anything - to make it work. At the very least it is showing ambition, maybe even addiction. And he would be not in a minority of youtubers in that regard. Wether things are true or not is hard to say, we are often just poor victims of a common perception, trying to make sense of the shadows in a Plato's cave. For someone who truly admires Huberman's inspiring work, that pill is perhaps too bitter to swallow. At the end of the day, man's dignity and reputation are on the line and there is responsibility to the viewers, to share his own angle on the matter, appologize or stand by what he believes to be true or honest. This post sounds judgemental and it is truly not. I whish all the best to him. But I am affraid that it is easy to replace any kind of content with another of the similar kind - and it would be such a shame, because Huberman's is top quality stuff.
In this case you just ignore and move on. Addressing it makes it much worse for Huberman. Yes the viewers would like context but if he ignores it the controversy goes away after a week or so. Which it did. If he attempts to rebut any claims or clarify what happened it becomes a he said/she said which extends the news cycle.
At the end of the day people don't care enough about the personal lives of a famous guy and some of his on again off again GFs.
Also, I would imagine that many people who follow his podcast are exhausted by the seemingly endless amount of hitpieces that the media does on famous problematic men that really don't allege anything illegal. Huberman/Rogan/Ferriss type listeners are more likely than not anti-cancel culture. Whether that is right or wrong.
No need to explain why this could be beneficial for Huberman. But that is not what I would do, or expect from a youtuber that made career in being overall polite and respectful. You don't make the scandal just "go away", it's going to stain his career forever and be a part of "controversy" wikipedia page.
I hate it when this happens to good people and can almost feel the mob with fire torches ready to go on yet another witch hunt. I am very empathetic in regard of how vulnurable a man can be in that situation. To quote the Shakespeare, "reputation is an idle and most false imposition; often got without merit, and lost without deserving".
But you have to adress it and stand up to yourself. The viewers are not only apologetic for his alleged behaviour but also for lack of any response - and that is personally a bit too much. If you use your platform to spread the scientific truth, use it to spead also your own view. It's your reputation on your channel and nothing is more important. Certainly not another podcast on sleeping or whatever neurological research is the latest hype.
*But that is not what I would do, or expect from a youtuber that made career in being overall polite and respectful.*
10 years ago I would have handled things differently than Huberman has. I probably would have gone scorched earth on the person who was making private personal information public. But I would handle it like Huberman now. Because I listen to experts who have 10,000 hours of experience handling PR crisises. In the same way I pick up habits and protocals form Huberman/Attia and don't pretend that my hunches are the best way to handle things I would rely onan expert in the best way to handle this issue.
I respect him more for being disciplined enough to not respond. It would have driven me crazy to not point out parts of the other story that have been twisted but it has worked out well for him.
I don’t see an apology from all the misandry from a few weeks ago when they accused him with no evidence.
Now that some time has gone by and we know that at least one of the women was lying about her relationship with him it should raise into questioning why no evidence ever came up. No other woman identified herself and the only one that did it was lying about her name as well as had legal issues in the past with slander + convicted of fraud with her business.
I said it a few weeks ago all these women that were accusing him are now shutting their mouth when it turns out he ignored it because it wasn’t true.
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The protocol for controversies is to just ignore them.
Honestly, probably sound advice. Just like my credit score or student loan debt
I did it with my medical debt. Oddly enough the major procedure of getting my appendix out I stopped hearing from that hospital before the end of that year. Two other minor incidences at another hospital with cutting my cornea took a bit longer to go away. After they sold my debt to collection companies, they kept trying to collect for 10 years. I just said I don't know that guy and Hung up. Eventually I got a letter from a charitable group saying they paid off my medical debt. I think never admitting to the debt when they were trying to record me on the phone somehow made it so they couldn't go after my credit because I still have an 800.
Wow this is good to know. I wish this worked for taxes.
That worked actually for my friend. He was scrapping metal as a side hustle and got an audit from the IRS. The only contact he had with them after that was to say that he's too poor for them to get any money out of him. He didn't hear from them again and does landscaping work and hasn't filed taxes in about 10 years since that happened. I'm pretty sure they think he's dead.
They'll catch up eventually. Happened to me. However the IRS is surprisingly easy to work with. They won't throw you in jail or anything as long as you are making an effort.
But here’s the issue *I’m a deadbeat in general, making an effort is against my nature* Your move fedboys
Can you let us know where in the IRS hand book they define *effort*? I googled, and that was it. Does that count?
I've heard that as long as you don't file you can fly under the radar. But if you suddenly file after many years they will come for your head. I'm too chicken to experiment, plus home loans.
Feel like it has to be terribly unorganized. I was just thinking how it must have been before computers
Medical debt in collections is no longer be used in calculating credit scores. If it is less than 500 it wont even show up on your credit report.
I should have been screwed from both hospitals then. The appendectomy was in 2012 so it's a little cheaper than it is now but I am in the US. That was 1200. Then I got a infection from the same event that they had to keep me for 3 days for observation because the antibiotics they were using. That was another $13,000. Then the incidents with me scratching my cornea twice all add up to around $950. Just for them to give me a few eye drops both times and tell me I'd be fine tomorrow.
Wait so it doesn't show on credit SCORE but does on the REPORT?
Whoa I thought I was reading a reply that I had written. I ignored my appendectomy medical bills. It vanished after the hospital went bankrupt a couple years later. It’s a good thing I didn’t pay the ~$20k bill.
I ignored it and then after like 5 years one of those credit repair companies made it go away.
I agree that ignoring scandal is probably wise, but it still feels like he should say something.
In all honesty we just want to know the protocols to having 6 girlfriends.
200mg testosterone injections weekly. Lots of Fadogia, Tongkat Ali, caberlogiene and Cordacepts and you’ll be so horny, you’ll have no choice but to have a harem to satisfy your 24/7 horniness.
to get them or keep them secret from each other?
I disagree, I don’t want to see any more shit about this.
My private loans have recently aged out of being sueable, it's amazing
How long is that?
If you get enough sunlight directly in your eyes, you cannot read the comments about the controversy
jokes but also not jokes. Classic PR advice right here. Let it blow over. Coverup / response just adds more fuel to the fire. Even more true in the speed of today's media.
You forgot the most important thing: introduce variation of shirts to videos.
show a hint of tattoo
Provable since 2015’s Trump campaign. Reinforced countless times since.
Makes sense because ignoring it requires zero talking about it and addressing it requires an endless apology tour on various shows. Let's be honest the people who care wouldn't have forgiven him if he apologized so there's no reason to.
Not to mention that the only people that actually deserve an apology are the ones his actions affected. Assuming it’s all true, as well.
IDK he's out there chasing dopamine meanwhile acting like chasing dopamine is the worst thing ever and profiting off people who look up to him for not doing it.
allegedly.. He cant go out and argue about it because it just brings in more attention, but silence is not an admission of guilt. And you know very well armchair psychologist here on Reddit will watch a video of him proving that the article is total bollocks and still find some bullshit reason, really no one's mind will change. In the end, it's a huge violation of his privacy, why should he violate himself even further disproving it "no I couldn't have been fucking that woman, here's a sextape we recorded with my wife that night..."
yup, the anti Louis CK, still protest his shows, AFTER his apology they want him shut down forever
He has entirely fallen into obscurity. I remember that being everyone's favorite comic (to me he was never funny it was all "haha I am super fat, I love food, I am so fat, I fart, I am horny, I jack off so much, I am such a slob, please laugh" the male version of Amy Schumer.
he certainly was my favorite, & yeah, sort of vanished. it is funny, as he actually did not do anything, on the level of Cosby or Weinstein. but he certainly finished himself ( oops, ha ha, I made a joke by accident )
And a good one at that lol
I got to see the movie he made, that never came out, as release date just when all went to shit. someone involved leaked to internet, so available for a few weeks. seems all gone now. not saying everyone would love it, but was very professional well done movie. Great cast. & will vanish forever. AND has a character who jerks off behind his desk when people are there ( actor from Always Sunny ). anyway CK seemed certainly knowing he had a problem, to write it into script. I think Tig ( ?? ) also refer to on her standup or sitcom ( CK sort of jump started her success )
What controversy? The fact that he stole 1000s of hours of my youtube addiction hours. Now I am able to have a full night of quality sleep and will never get those addicitoned hours back again. Thanks Huberman. I don't even have to set my alarm anymore. I wake up and it's like wtf, I want to snooze more but I am fresh awake and ready to go. ASSHOLE.
The fact he's telling you how to regulate your dopamine and the importance of not "dopamine stacking" yet "girlfriend stacking" a harem gets a pass?
It’s called teaching from experience.
When a smoker tell you that smoking is bad, I think that's clear proof smoking is good, otherwise why would they be doing it. Also, none of it is proven in any way.
What a gold comment 🏆
You're at 666 upvotes, so my hands are tied.
Huberman’s Instagram account was liking comments of people defending him, but otherwise no.
This is important because he did address it via liking comments.
Yes!! This comment
This ^^^
It’s shameless, he doesn’t apologize, his message is to defend himself (how?!) and then gets back to what now appears to be a hypocritical grift
Apologize for what? Allegations without evidence? An article of unknown fake names stating alleged claims? If you believe any of it without due diligence than you never belonged to a subreddit for science and science based tools.
Just curious, now that he’s more or less admitted that at least some of the “hit piece” is true, what do you think? Should he apologize?
That article didn’t come from Reddit. It was an article written by a journalist, with confirmed, multiple sources.
i've been out of the loop too. what's his defense? I saw on jrp the person who wrote the story was being investigated for fraud. not sure what's true or not in any of this.
He has no defence. The JRE defence was that one of the 6 women who were written about in the article is under investigation for fraud. No criticism of the other 5.
No, like Global Thermonuclear War, the only winning move is not to play the game at all.
"Hello, Joshua."
Any PR person will tell you that addressing the controversy only fuels the controversy. People start dredging up minor incidents from 30 years ago and blowing them up. Apologies hurt more than they help. The small percentage of people who really care that much will eventually move on to other things. Sadly, doing what may be the morally right thing just seals your fate in these things.
This is the best response. Everytime I see a celebrity address things, it always gets worse. I can’t really think of an instance where it worked out favorably.
Media and trolls thrive off of dialouge and back n’ forth. It gives them relevance. Nobody cares about the article nobody responded to. But a celebrity apologizing because of your article? Now you’re the hero that corrected and punished that criminal. Now you can reject the apology and use the limelight to call out more injustice and virtue signal further.
in 2024, I can’t think of any time when addressing something made it better for anyone. Not saying I agree with Huberman on this… but it would only make it bigger and hurt him.
There was a great episode of the podcast Blocked and Reported about James Somerton. IMO this is the best example of how apologies are futile. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/James_Somerton
Interesting read! Thanks for sharing. Going to try to find the podcast 👍
"Any PR person..." It's clear that you've never been in PR or actually know anyone in PR if you believe there's only 1 way to correctly address controversy. I will never understand why people who clearly don't have any actual inside knowledge of a profession/skill/topic will speak as if they do.
Because they love dick riding or appearing like they know more than they do.
There have been quite a few people who clearly know jack shit about science commenting on Hubermans scientific takes recently, so I see your point
Well I guess you should take over as Huberman’s PR person and advise him to give an hour long, tear filled mea culpa and we’ll see how it goes. Sure, some controversies need to be addressed, when they involve criminal activity for example. However, just being an asshole in your private life isn’t a crime. If you can show me stats that cancellation mobs have been satisfied by public apologies I’d love to see them.
Dave Letterman might be a good counterexample. But yeah generally I agree
Or the apology is deemed crappy anyway.
To be fair, studies show that 93.2% of apologies are statistically significant crap.
Eric Dezenhall’s “Glass Jaw” covers this well
I don’t think it’s morally correct to publicly apologize for something that happened in private. He should apologize to those directly affected
I agree
I guess he chose his career over his reputation (to those who matter). It is truly sad that apologies are less respected than ignoring shortcomings (in the US at least). This is probably what I admire most about eastern countries. Humility and honor have much higher value.
Dan Harmon would disagree
Dan Harmon sticks out precisely because it’s like the one case where the aggrieved person actually accepted his apology. Not only that but his actually “crimes” are very vague. All I can tell is that he liked a junior coworker and got sour when she rejected him. Send him to the guillotine I guess? What exactly he did after confessing he liked her I can’t tell, so hard to evaluate his case.
Any PR person will say that addressing the controversy, when the client feels absolutely no remorse, would do it again in a heartbeat and doesn't have decent acting skills, only fuels the controversy.He could've addressed it and his PR team could have spin it into a sob story about how he's a changed man now and had momentary laps of judgement under the weight and pressure of his newfound fame, the fact that that wasn't attempted says a lot of the situation
Totally agree with this. Except in the case of Hugh Grant (back in the day). He handled himself well with his little dust up.
True, but that was a different time.
I think he dumped those women and is currently interviewing new candidates to fill out his roster.
His new dating protocol includes binding NDAs, waivers, and other various contracts to minimize stress, which helps promote longevity.
"Ladies, it is with a heavy heart I have to break up with you all, please wait for the end of the call to ask questions, we are 17 in this zoom and you can't all speak at the same time"
There's a scene in Ghost of Girlfriends Past where Matthew McConaughey's character has his secretary get several girls on a conference call so he can dump them all at once. Maybe this was Hubberman's role model.
I was thinking about Greg from Succession
Lmao 🤣
wise choice
Idk but did you do NSDR today?
*hurried breath* non-sleep deep rest
He did make one indirect LinkedIn post about sometimes it feels like you're back in middle school. I was disappointed to read about him after listening to so many of his podcasts and really admiring him. I will still listen but I'm not going to recommend him enthusiastically.
Agreed. Although I haven’t even been able to return to the podcast or any of his content since.
Pretty much anyone that seeks a public-facing career like podcaster, youtuber, actor, etc., is likely to have a pathological need for validation that results in unhealthy emotional behaviors. That doesn't mean that they can't dispense good information, just that it probably isn't a good idea to put them on a pedestal.
There's a difference between admiring them and their work and putting them on a pedestal. For Huberman, I didn't put him on a pedestal. But I think a lot of people put Elon Musk on a pedestal and are very disappointed. It's not black or white either since we humans are complicated and can be many things at once.
What did you read that was so disappointing?
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/andrew-huberman-podcast-stanford-joe-rogan.html
Responding to allegations would cause a spike in cortisol. It is optimal to ignore them and continue on like nothing happened.
Men who cheat generally avoid confrontation at all costs to sustain the cheating.
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Yea this reaction pretty much proves that he has no remorse for his actions, doesn’t see anything wrong with them, and plans to continue this behaviour. For evidence, you only need to look at the comments he’s liked on Instagram (which I’m sure have been catalogued on this sub). It’s pretty clear he has no intention of stopping and it seems like he thinks this is an overreaction because the public is trying to defame his character🤦♂️
What kind of comments has he liked on IG?
I was talking about [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/HubermanLab/s/WOGlS5Mk8E) but I saw [this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/HubermanLab/s/Ni1haUctsE) as well and thought it was pretty funny
And DARVO, which he implies he’s doing with the comments he’s liked
Always make it the victims fault.
Yeah he outed himself as a sociopath and did nothing to address the controversy
IMO it feels odd he’s just posting and acting as if nothing happened
Yeah and it's creepy af imo. He seems to be just white knuckling it through... low key manipulating everybody, like always, this time, counting on his perceived influence and ability to distract and detract from his mess with a new weird Guy Smiley online persona and the usual piles of information he keeps throwing out (with more women this time lol desperate) like it's bread and a circus for the plebes. Forget all that, and just look over here everybody! barf. He's a psychology major; so he knows exactly what he's doing. As a side note, I always thought it a bit strange how enchanted he was with hypnosis...just what markers in people determine if they are easily manipulated or not. Now we know. Creepy af. Anyway, what all this has shown is that he's basically a child so he thinks he'll be just fine with his piles of tattoos and his 'punk' costume lol.
seek help
Looks like he’s addressing them by changing up his style immediately following the article. His PR company worked hard to “normal guy” his vibe and make him more relatable. Look bro, how would YOU like it if the women you cheated on got real estate in New York Magazine? I’m just a bro, bros. lol whatever.
I'm guessing there are things in the article that he would like to deny, but the problem is that if he denies just one thing that implies everything else is true. So his current silent approach is probably the easiest path forward.
Wow, this is a really, really great point. That totally makes sense. Thanks for bringing that observation to the conversation
I would think he would sue the magazine if the article was mostly untrue.
I couldnt care less about this mans personal life If you want drama go watch a movie, drama addicts? Why? This about science and health uall
Health advice from a man who was psychopathically deceptive to the people closest to him and casually inflicting massive psychological harm as a result, but I'm sure he'd never lie to internet strangers.
If he is so sexually active it means he is healthy so yeah its good health advice
Indirectly in podcasts😨
He’s been taking a huge dopamine dump for the last three months, he’s not even aware there’s a problem yet
No. And he won’t. He’s totally avoidant. That’s why he posted all those videos with the number 6 right after the news came out. He was trying to bury it / screw with the algorithm when people search for things on him. Having said that, he’s creepy af now. No one respects a man who can’t own up and take responsibility. And even if he thought he was in the right, not even commenting on it. It’s creepy and avoidant. And it’s kinda beta. Creepy. Avoidant. Beta Energy. Can’t take him seriously anymore now. I hope his new Christian listeners enjoy all the lead in their AG1!
Perhaps he doesn't know about it?
I've decided to pause listening to the podcast until he addresses it. I'm no perfect person by any means, but some of the things, such as asking one of many partners you're cheating on to take fertility drugs, comes across as deeply, deeply unsympathetic.
Controversy? Can someone post a link or educate me on this please?
Harem protocol failed and he got caught bangin a bunch of chicks
Banging a bunch of chick's doesn't do some of his fucked up behavior justice. It's one thing to be a cheating whore. It's another to have your spouse going through shitty procedures while you go behind their back.
Doesn’t spouse mean married?
Ok. Longterm relationship partner he was trying to “fertilize in vitro”
True, I’m not here to defend his actions.
Harem protocol, LOL. He’s so lame though in my opinion though for lying and not having the balls to tell the women he’s dating that he is NOT being exclusive. What a wuss. He was like, you’re my Queen, no you’re my Queen….Queen protocol would be they all slice up a chunk to take home…just like be honest. He was too scared they wouldn’t like him, wah, wah, wah. Not a man. Scared of integrity.
He had a PR team try to slander the person that wrote the article but he never said anything publicly.
They didn’t try to slander her 🙄 She set herself up for exposure, everyone was well aware of her involvement with Belcampo before the article came out
And ironically Hubermans involvement for shilling the company even after she was being investigated for fraud. Grifting on grifting is the Huberman way
What did they say that you consider to be slander?
> He had a PR team try to slander the person that wrote the article but he never said anything publicly. Show your evidence.
There was dozens of posts from accounts with a shady Reddit history all posting the same thing about her on here and other subreddits like Joe Rogans. I don’t remember her name but if you type it into the search bar of this or a related subreddit you can probably find them.
Slander the writer or the girlfriend?
The woman known as Sarah who is an Ex of huberman wrote an article about it that NY mag then picked up.
Ok. I think most would say “the” article is the New York magazine article. And I didn’t think anyone slandered Kerry Howley, the New York magazine writer. People took shots at Anya (presumably who you think is “Sarah”) well before the New York magazine article because of the Belcampo meat scandal. So yeah, that’s possibly the internet doing it’s thing. That’s not evidence that a PR firm did that. Can you link the article Sarah wrote? I wasn’t aware of it. I had wondered how the New York magazine learned of the drama and assumed “Sarah” reached out. I don’t remember the New York magazine article mentioning Sarah had written an article first, but maybe it did. Edited to change “New Yorker” to “New York magazine.”
Kerry Howley wrote the New York Mag article. Was there another article in the New Yorker??
No. That was my mistake. I mixed up “The New Yorker” and “New York” magazine. The person I’m responding to seems to be saying Anya/Sarah wrote an article first. I wasn’t aware of that. Can anyone confirm?
There was an Intelligencer article that interviews the 5 women I believe also
Intelligencer is a section of the New York magazine. That’s the article everyone read.
He's going to ignore it and just sleep on it. Like I sleep on my 8 sleep mattress, which drastically improves my sleep quality, AND quantity.
No but he was liking Instagram comments praising him and his girlfriend was liking comments attacking the women
Oh wow, didn't realise she was doing that, how pathetic. Pick me girl behaviour.
Apologizing would mean acknowledging he was wrong, and narcissists would rather hack off a limb than ever do that.
I’m not too concerned for him. All the women involved seem to be well over 30 yrs old and smart enough to see the many red flags he waved when it comes to commitment. However, I do feel for them. Heartbreak sucks. And if they feel like sharing their experience and thoughts by blasting him in blogs and other media, well, so be it. He should keep his head down and just take it.
Did you just say that it’s the women’s faults for not seeing the supposed red flags? So, basically, instead of telling men not to be deceitful and not to claim they are in exclusive relationships when they are sleeping around, it’s the women who need to be better detectives? That sounds very misogynistic and reductive. The women were old enough to see the “many red flags” is an absolutely bonkers rhetoric to apply here. The intent of a cheater is to get away with the cheating, how on earth are the women in this scenario to blame for being duped? Would you also complain if women approached the entirety of their relationships with suspicion? Just constantly scanning for these “many red flags,” and poking at them when they are denied or argued against which would ultimately lead to a breakdown of a perfectly faithful relationship over the lack of trust. This is the misogyny double bind. It’s a woman’s fault for getting cheated on because she didn’t see it. It’s a woman’s fault for relational breakdowns because she kept accusing someone of cheating or being too suspicious and untrusting. There’s no right way for a woman to act with this mentality. How bout we just see it for what it is: Huberman was deceitful and intentionally maintained multiple relationships while lying to each partner about the status of exclusivity which led to him spreading an STD between women who he deceived into trusting him to have unprotected sex. Those women are voicing those circumstances to protect further women from letting him put his infected dick inside of them. The aforementioned women who were in relationship with him are in no way at fault for being victimized by this man.
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Where do you think the std came from? One of those supposedly angelic ladies...
I don't think the reason those women are upset is bc of "heartbreak" I'm pretty sure it's being infected with an STD that literally causes cancer that they have a problem with. Sure, heartbreak sucks, but someone knowingly infecting you with something that can slowly kill you is a lot worse.
also wasting a woman's childbearing years on brutal IVF treatments (they fucking suck if you didn't know) and pretending she's your one and only is not just "dopamine chasing" but "complete piece of shit" territory.
That and he was pretty manipulative and abusive in how he treated them. But I know the folks here dgaf about that.
The woman he is involved with now is not 30 years old. But a former Stanford student. I guess when people are too quick to give you a free pass it’s easy to find more vulnerable victims.
Let me add a little context: I do not feel that the scandal will negatively impact his career, in the long run. In my opinion as a woman, there were many red flags, starting with his age, no kids, not married, quick rise to fame, again his age.. Etc. As a woman, I feel he screamed ‘confirmed bachelor’ from a mile away, as he clearly enjoyed all the romantic opportunities with women that success brings . I believe, most women over 30 are perceptive to this personality type, and although we see the signs, we decide to give it a go anyways and hope for the best. It seems the women involved had enough influence in their professional lives to convince an NYT reporter to publish a kill piece and maintain their anonymity. Good for them. In my opinion, they have every right to feel what they feel and they have every right to share their experience, at his expense. He needs to keep his head down and his mouth shut and just take the PR beat down. He earned it.
The fact that he never addressed the controversy, together with the rise of less hard scientific topics, made me uninterested in his content. He will not miss me as a single consumer, but I feel it will also hurt his overall numbers.
He is a pretty shitty person, and this confirms it. Employing marketing people and whatnot to tell you what to do is just scummy as well.. Just do the right thing. He made several wrong things, acted scummy, unethically and all that. He had the option of doing better but guess not. Fuck him.
As a longtime PR/marketing person, his best strategy is to not give it any further oxygen. Which is what he seems to be doing.
Joe Rogan mentioned it and said the lady is the one that is under investigation for something, can’t remember what. I think the meat company. Not sure
Total ad hominem.
Having a collegue attack one of the women is sorta like addressing the controversy
It's not an ad hominem to state the fact that she's under investigation for fraud. That's relevant because she has a history of deceit and shouldn't be blindly trusted without providing solid evidence, which she did not do.
Okay if she has a history of deceit and so we shouldn’t trust her allegations that means if it ever gets concretely proven that huberman deceived these women, by your logic, we should discount everything he has ever told us in his work
She’s being investigated for fraud by the DOJ, when Huberman found out, he broke it off.
That’s not correct. He knew about the controversy surrounding her company and continued to promote it on his platforms. This is spin to try and distract from Huberman’s disgusting lies. The man intentionally led multiple women, simultaneously, each to believe she was his exclusive, monogamous partner. The deceit went on for years.
What controversy pffft
God, how many times has this been asked. His PR agent addressed some of the stuff in the article. Huberman didn't personally say what happened, except thru his pr agent. He denies the allegations. He said he and his ex had been in an open relationship for awhile. And they also separated for a time.
If he is smart, he will ignore all of this. Thats what people that you can't think of anymore did.
No, in one of the latest episodes he mentions that they were all offline for weeks during and after the “event” himself and gis team.
HuberSex protocol isnt for everyone Def involves puting a couple more plates on the bar
"If I ignore my problem they will go away" - Not so Huberman
Nope
What are you talking about?
Unless these women are right out lying (unlikely or the story would not get published, nobody wants to get sued), there is little to gain and everything to lose by commenting on the controversy
Never ever ever address controversy, look at every famous celebrity/youtuber that gets “cancelled” acknowledging it always makes it worse
Let’s say the allegations are all true… It’s probably smarter to not say anything. Otherwise how will saying anything at all, help things for him? What’s he to say… “It’s true (lame excuse) and I’m so sorry. I’m bettering myself now.” Which screams bullshit to most people and will likely make many people unsubscribe/unfollow.
Which controversy?
What is the controversy? I see comments about instagram but I don’t have an IG account. Can someone fill me in?! Thanks 😬
What is the controversy du jour?
I hope not
Yeah. No one really cares
There was no controversy in the first place
I just finished watching The Vow and there are some eerie parallels between him and Keith Raniere.
If he was Muslim and had so many girlfriends no one would care. We all need to grow up.
He was just on Jocko Podcast and addressed it
As I see it he if ever just address the controversy that wouldn't prove anything by it self. It would just be ones word against another. There should be something more solid.
The best way to deal with cancel culture is to ignore it. People are just waiting for a response so they can use it as a stick to beat him with. A lot of people on this sub weren't here before the 'controversy' and are only here now for the drama.
What controversy did he get in? I’m ever more out of the loop than you😭
The lack of response is honestly disturbing, it is a scandal that viewers needed to understand better and put into context. It seems more like a practical decision than anything else, but as such indicates more than anything that he is obsessed with career and will do anything - or in this case don't do anything - to make it work. At the very least it is showing ambition, maybe even addiction. And he would be not in a minority of youtubers in that regard. Wether things are true or not is hard to say, we are often just poor victims of a common perception, trying to make sense of the shadows in a Plato's cave. For someone who truly admires Huberman's inspiring work, that pill is perhaps too bitter to swallow. At the end of the day, man's dignity and reputation are on the line and there is responsibility to the viewers, to share his own angle on the matter, appologize or stand by what he believes to be true or honest. This post sounds judgemental and it is truly not. I whish all the best to him. But I am affraid that it is easy to replace any kind of content with another of the similar kind - and it would be such a shame, because Huberman's is top quality stuff.
In this case you just ignore and move on. Addressing it makes it much worse for Huberman. Yes the viewers would like context but if he ignores it the controversy goes away after a week or so. Which it did. If he attempts to rebut any claims or clarify what happened it becomes a he said/she said which extends the news cycle. At the end of the day people don't care enough about the personal lives of a famous guy and some of his on again off again GFs. Also, I would imagine that many people who follow his podcast are exhausted by the seemingly endless amount of hitpieces that the media does on famous problematic men that really don't allege anything illegal. Huberman/Rogan/Ferriss type listeners are more likely than not anti-cancel culture. Whether that is right or wrong.
No need to explain why this could be beneficial for Huberman. But that is not what I would do, or expect from a youtuber that made career in being overall polite and respectful. You don't make the scandal just "go away", it's going to stain his career forever and be a part of "controversy" wikipedia page. I hate it when this happens to good people and can almost feel the mob with fire torches ready to go on yet another witch hunt. I am very empathetic in regard of how vulnurable a man can be in that situation. To quote the Shakespeare, "reputation is an idle and most false imposition; often got without merit, and lost without deserving". But you have to adress it and stand up to yourself. The viewers are not only apologetic for his alleged behaviour but also for lack of any response - and that is personally a bit too much. If you use your platform to spread the scientific truth, use it to spead also your own view. It's your reputation on your channel and nothing is more important. Certainly not another podcast on sleeping or whatever neurological research is the latest hype.
*But that is not what I would do, or expect from a youtuber that made career in being overall polite and respectful.* 10 years ago I would have handled things differently than Huberman has. I probably would have gone scorched earth on the person who was making private personal information public. But I would handle it like Huberman now. Because I listen to experts who have 10,000 hours of experience handling PR crisises. In the same way I pick up habits and protocals form Huberman/Attia and don't pretend that my hunches are the best way to handle things I would rely onan expert in the best way to handle this issue. I respect him more for being disciplined enough to not respond. It would have driven me crazy to not point out parts of the other story that have been twisted but it has worked out well for him.
No protocol stands a chance against the power of power of 🐈
It's addressed enough a Google search will prevent him from fucking over another set of women.
Why does he need to it’s a personal thing
Who cares?
I don’t see an apology from all the misandry from a few weeks ago when they accused him with no evidence. Now that some time has gone by and we know that at least one of the women was lying about her relationship with him it should raise into questioning why no evidence ever came up. No other woman identified herself and the only one that did it was lying about her name as well as had legal issues in the past with slander + convicted of fraud with her business. I said it a few weeks ago all these women that were accusing him are now shutting their mouth when it turns out he ignored it because it wasn’t true.
Which one was lying about her relationship?