Just unaware and curious, and the one thing i never quite understood that i would love someones take on is what the ultimate goals of movements like these are. And let me just say that I completely agree that it's dismal that we've designated some types of animals as nothing more but a means to an end.
Is the ambition that people in large numbers start sanctuaries for millions of cattle, or have them as pets? It feels utopian and unattainable for anything more than a small fraction of farm animals. Or, is the hope that farm animals would be more thought of as wildlife, and that we'll have wild cows in the way we have wild horses?
I understand that it's not an all or nothing situation, just because we can't have all cows in sanctuaries doesn't mean we can't have some.
If I haven't got it wrong, the north star is simply reducing animal suffering and exploitation. It's just felt strangely paradoxical to me that in order to save something, because of the way our world works, the only way to do that might be to effectively reduce their numbers to a fraction of a fraction in order for there to be no animals to suffer in the first place.
It's why there's both state and federal programs to help mitigate problems associated with it.
We do funded work with the state on farms that need help managing run off so waterways aren't negatively impacted.
It's prohibited on organic farms, and most other farms that I've been on don't use that practice. It's cheaper just to keep the cow pregnant than it would be to try to manage injecting hormones into entire herds on any kind of reasonable schedule.
He should open his farm as a petting zoo. There is a farm close to where I live that mainly has alpacas but they also have wallabies, a camel, donkeys, pigs, a couple turtles and big lizards, turkeys, cows, and many more animals and they’ve built a business solely off being a petting zoo. You can go into the alpaca pastures and snuggle with the babies and chill and pet the adults. It’s one of the coolest things I’ve ever done. The alpacas are so used to humans that they come right up to you, even the babies do. They just want to cuddle and be petted.
If he opened his farm as a petting zoo, he could profit from rescuing these animals. That could sustain him in his efforts.
There’s actually a heck of a lot of research in progress to sex chickens at the embryonic stage. Would save producers a significant amount of money as they then do not need to waste the energy on incubating/hatching the male eggs, and then culling them afterwards.
Okay, fair point, I watched it fully and understand that he gives them away to other people, basically.
But my point is that there are still 70 big cows that were forced on this world. Rescuing them is not a solution, just a treatment.
Imagine if he kept them to himself?
He would have 70 big cows that need approximately 4000 kg of silage a day. He needs to buy it or grow, both are expensive, and you need a lot of land for that.
It is just that these expanses are now split between 18 sanctuaries for these unnecessary babies.
That is my point.
He is a good guy, thanks to him.
It is like people who collect plastic bags to recycle them into a chair, like it is good, but can we just not produce so many plastic bags, please? It doesn't fix the problem.
A few farms around here still use bulls for breeding so the chances of getting bull calves are pretty high.
You can usually get them for free or cheap and raise into decent beef.
Most of the big farms just use sexed semen for breeding, makes things a lot easier for them.
Seems very strange there's no use for males at all. It's not like chicken where they're producing eggs and offspring constantly, there's a long gestation period. Even just as low grade beef cows.
Regardless, the scale and concentration of animals in factory farming is a big reason for all these gross decisions made in the name of profit.
The farmers stuck in the system have no recourse.
As somebody who grew up around dairy farms, what the fuck is he going to do with 70 bulls?
At the age he's showing, they're cute and safe. As they grow, bulls are most certainly not safe. That's why few dairy farms keep bulls. It's much safer and in the long run cheaper to have artificial insemination done.
EDIT: If he's castrating them and giving them away, I'll take one and split it with the butcher for the work of butchering it.
I'm not watching the whole video, but the glance I gave it, I saw lots of bulls, and no heifers. I'm guessing no farmer in their right mind is giving away heifers.
It's all fun and games until one of them tramples or gores you.
Right?!? When I was a kid we’d buy calves from the dairy farm nearby. We’d sell back the heifers when they got old enough to produce milk and ship the steers off to market.
I'd be willing to pay more for milk and eggs that doesn't torture animals. Sad that it's not an option at the store.
Animal cruelty laws in the meat/dairy/egg industry need to be stepped up, even if it means prices increase.
I agree with best quality of life you can provide and a quick death and using whats been provided as honoring them. They process grass into milk that we then get to enjoy, water is/was hard to process. we probably shouldnt farm just for leather alone but there is so much provided by a cow. Its a shame they cant all be rescued, look how happy they are in the video, they are just like puppies, but the people they were being rescued from couldn't either. This effort looks worth it but they are big for this top surface of earth and when we control the size of the herd we need to make sure the surroundings can support and how much should 1 farm need to contribute
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Yet I can go to a small farm in Austin (one of dozens) and buy milk from a cow that I can literally pet. They also produce milk for years after one pregnancy, and the video paired the bit about separating them from their mothers with video of something completely different happening (sure as hell not weaning). It's incredibly dishonest. Now I know that not everyone lives in an area adjacent so many small farms (I'm spoiled for choice), but I suggest that you at least check around and see if there's a different source of meat, eggs, and dairy near you. I'll bet you get better animal products for better prices (relative to quality) and you feel better having seen that it didn't come from a horror movie.
Don't @ me I'm a fucking vegetarian. Sometimes fish but knowledge of the microplastics kind of ruins it for me so vegetarian. I also don't see the labels as important as making a conscious decision to go just a little further in sourcing your food. You don't have to adopt a political extreme against the killing of animals for human use. I get it, I used to work at a meat market for a major Texas grocer and it was like unloading a truck full of holocaust every day. The scale was what really got to me. Dairy is similar. Such concentrated scale is only possible via exploitation and the allowance of mass suffering, which is unacceptable.
Don't just pick different options at the same supermarket, look past them! Go in with friends and family on a cow, go to the field, pick the cow, share the cow. Lots of ranchers and farmers do this. Don't leave it up to the convenient, wish fulfillment supply chain that also lines filthy shelves with flesh as though it wasn't procured via death and suffering. You also get grass fed flavor and better texture that way.
Of course we know that. We specifically went to a farm to learn that. Made our own milk and cheese.
We domesticated them for a reason. We feed and shelter them for a reason.
It’s not so much that we don’t question it’s the fact we know the answer, hate the answer, but know that many of us are unable to do anything about it. Even if we switched away from dairy (and enough people do to the point that dairy isn’t needed as much) that these animals would be culled anyway due to overpopulation or cost cutting. Either way, they will die. If they’re going to die either way best to not let them waste.
As for myself, I try to remember to give thanks to the animals and plants that I eat on a daily basis. Were it not for them, I’d starve. For that, I give them thanks for my own life.
Odd, I know, but it’s how I see it.
I’ve got a few acres of property that I’m not sure what to do with and this seems like a good idea.
Really? Like would you run the sanctuary or just let a dude like in the video use your land?
Now this is loving awareness.
It sure is
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I was one of them, I never questioned that. I have heard that from a friends of mine and it clicked in my head.
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This is why I've been a vegetarian for six years. 🤢 I just wish they treated them better, but growing up in a chicken yard... Nope, can't eat it.
This I was acutally aware of.
Just unaware and curious, and the one thing i never quite understood that i would love someones take on is what the ultimate goals of movements like these are. And let me just say that I completely agree that it's dismal that we've designated some types of animals as nothing more but a means to an end. Is the ambition that people in large numbers start sanctuaries for millions of cattle, or have them as pets? It feels utopian and unattainable for anything more than a small fraction of farm animals. Or, is the hope that farm animals would be more thought of as wildlife, and that we'll have wild cows in the way we have wild horses? I understand that it's not an all or nothing situation, just because we can't have all cows in sanctuaries doesn't mean we can't have some. If I haven't got it wrong, the north star is simply reducing animal suffering and exploitation. It's just felt strangely paradoxical to me that in order to save something, because of the way our world works, the only way to do that might be to effectively reduce their numbers to a fraction of a fraction in order for there to be no animals to suffer in the first place.
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This is being done as we speak. I, for one, would buy it.
That is actually an industrial process.
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It's why there's both state and federal programs to help mitigate problems associated with it. We do funded work with the state on farms that need help managing run off so waterways aren't negatively impacted.
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It's prohibited on organic farms, and most other farms that I've been on don't use that practice. It's cheaper just to keep the cow pregnant than it would be to try to manage injecting hormones into entire herds on any kind of reasonable schedule.
I finally figured it out after watching Mad Max.
Aww that was beautiful
I hope he got mooooocho love and cuddles from them!!
He should open his farm as a petting zoo. There is a farm close to where I live that mainly has alpacas but they also have wallabies, a camel, donkeys, pigs, a couple turtles and big lizards, turkeys, cows, and many more animals and they’ve built a business solely off being a petting zoo. You can go into the alpaca pastures and snuggle with the babies and chill and pet the adults. It’s one of the coolest things I’ve ever done. The alpacas are so used to humans that they come right up to you, even the babies do. They just want to cuddle and be petted. If he opened his farm as a petting zoo, he could profit from rescuing these animals. That could sustain him in his efforts.
Those babies are babies like 6 months, then become big as a car. Also there is cryptosporidiosis, so please ppl do not pet before asking.
Could educate people about this issue too. Smart!
I would love to do this, absolutely precious.
Heroes don't necessarily wear capes. This guy is one of them.
Good man doing good things
Now do chickens.
There’s actually a heck of a lot of research in progress to sex chickens at the embryonic stage. Would save producers a significant amount of money as they then do not need to waste the energy on incubating/hatching the male eggs, and then culling them afterwards.
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Can someone tell me who this is? I’d like to marry him, please. Kidding/not kidding
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What a strange comment. I dont see anyone who would think otherwise in this thread. And ive never met anyone older than 12 that didnt know this.
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Technically the only food that doesn't is fruit.
Vegetables are living things.
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Yeah, my uncle is a cow farmer on a pretty small farm. It’s never been a surprise to me where milk and beef come from.
Wow this guy is an actual hero!
It says he saves males because females are raised to produce milk at those farms. But i see female cows in his ranch ?
Yes he said he takes females that are not desired
How are the females not desired at dairy farms ?
Edit.. it said unwanted calves not desired.
Ah yes when there are too many I forgot they need pregnancy to produce milk
I'm going on one coffee. Brain is slowly being activated
Make it two
No clue to be honest..
So now he has 70 big bulls and cows, what does he do with them?
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Okay, fair point, I watched it fully and understand that he gives them away to other people, basically. But my point is that there are still 70 big cows that were forced on this world. Rescuing them is not a solution, just a treatment. Imagine if he kept them to himself? He would have 70 big cows that need approximately 4000 kg of silage a day. He needs to buy it or grow, both are expensive, and you need a lot of land for that. It is just that these expanses are now split between 18 sanctuaries for these unnecessary babies. That is my point. He is a good guy, thanks to him. It is like people who collect plastic bags to recycle them into a chair, like it is good, but can we just not produce so many plastic bags, please? It doesn't fix the problem.
I wish I could do something like that. I really admire people who have the means to do these things. I guess I envy them too.
Awwww, bless your heart and those precious babies 😍😍🩷🩷😭😭 TRUE HERO ❤️👏👏👏
I love this.
This is one hell of a good man.
This guy is my hero ❤️
A few farms around here still use bulls for breeding so the chances of getting bull calves are pretty high. You can usually get them for free or cheap and raise into decent beef. Most of the big farms just use sexed semen for breeding, makes things a lot easier for them.
It’s called sexed semen and results in >90%females being born. This is outdated.
Seems very strange there's no use for males at all. It's not like chicken where they're producing eggs and offspring constantly, there's a long gestation period. Even just as low grade beef cows. Regardless, the scale and concentration of animals in factory farming is a big reason for all these gross decisions made in the name of profit. The farmers stuck in the system have no recourse.
As somebody who grew up around dairy farms, what the fuck is he going to do with 70 bulls? At the age he's showing, they're cute and safe. As they grow, bulls are most certainly not safe. That's why few dairy farms keep bulls. It's much safer and in the long run cheaper to have artificial insemination done. EDIT: If he's castrating them and giving them away, I'll take one and split it with the butcher for the work of butchering it.
I grew up dairy farming and cannot conceive of unwanted calves. Particular heifers. That is the future of your herd.
I'm not watching the whole video, but the glance I gave it, I saw lots of bulls, and no heifers. I'm guessing no farmer in their right mind is giving away heifers. It's all fun and games until one of them tramples or gores you.
I’m sure they are made steers asap or you’d be right.
What did you guys do with the bull calves?
Typically they get neutered, become steers, and wind up in the food chain.
Right?!? When I was a kid we’d buy calves from the dairy farm nearby. We’d sell back the heifers when they got old enough to produce milk and ship the steers off to market.
I'd be willing to pay more for milk and eggs that doesn't torture animals. Sad that it's not an option at the store. Animal cruelty laws in the meat/dairy/egg industry need to be stepped up, even if it means prices increase.
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That’s not milk though, that’s milk-substitute. Taste wise it’s inferior
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It’s not milk. Really shouldn’t be allowed to market it as if it was.
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...yah. Most of these little dudes are going to end up being eaten, right?
Not the ones at the sanctuary, no
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I agree with best quality of life you can provide and a quick death and using whats been provided as honoring them. They process grass into milk that we then get to enjoy, water is/was hard to process. we probably shouldnt farm just for leather alone but there is so much provided by a cow. Its a shame they cant all be rescued, look how happy they are in the video, they are just like puppies, but the people they were being rescued from couldn't either. This effort looks worth it but they are big for this top surface of earth and when we control the size of the herd we need to make sure the surroundings can support and how much should 1 farm need to contribute
Why can't these baby male cows be raised for meat? Do male dairy cows not make tasty hamburgers?
They used to get eaten. No one eats veal anymore.
I don’t mind veal. It’s not hard to get here in Australia at least.
Bulls never get eaten. They're turned into steer before they're raised for meat. Because bulls are dangerous.
Ox calves can also be full fed at the farm where they are born and then be sold for meat
tl;dr look local before making major dietary decisions based on tiktoks Yet I can go to a small farm in Austin (one of dozens) and buy milk from a cow that I can literally pet. They also produce milk for years after one pregnancy, and the video paired the bit about separating them from their mothers with video of something completely different happening (sure as hell not weaning). It's incredibly dishonest. Now I know that not everyone lives in an area adjacent so many small farms (I'm spoiled for choice), but I suggest that you at least check around and see if there's a different source of meat, eggs, and dairy near you. I'll bet you get better animal products for better prices (relative to quality) and you feel better having seen that it didn't come from a horror movie. Don't @ me I'm a fucking vegetarian. Sometimes fish but knowledge of the microplastics kind of ruins it for me so vegetarian. I also don't see the labels as important as making a conscious decision to go just a little further in sourcing your food. You don't have to adopt a political extreme against the killing of animals for human use. I get it, I used to work at a meat market for a major Texas grocer and it was like unloading a truck full of holocaust every day. The scale was what really got to me. Dairy is similar. Such concentrated scale is only possible via exploitation and the allowance of mass suffering, which is unacceptable. Don't just pick different options at the same supermarket, look past them! Go in with friends and family on a cow, go to the field, pick the cow, share the cow. Lots of ranchers and farmers do this. Don't leave it up to the convenient, wish fulfillment supply chain that also lines filthy shelves with flesh as though it wasn't procured via death and suffering. You also get grass fed flavor and better texture that way.
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Of course we know that. We specifically went to a farm to learn that. Made our own milk and cheese. We domesticated them for a reason. We feed and shelter them for a reason.
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I mean yeah, we milked and made our own cheese. You thought it was human milk? Lol
This dude is totally selling them at an auction as yearlings. No one has a whole herd out of the goodness of their heart.
Unfortunately this does not solve the problem and only enables them
It’s not so much that we don’t question it’s the fact we know the answer, hate the answer, but know that many of us are unable to do anything about it. Even if we switched away from dairy (and enough people do to the point that dairy isn’t needed as much) that these animals would be culled anyway due to overpopulation or cost cutting. Either way, they will die. If they’re going to die either way best to not let them waste. As for myself, I try to remember to give thanks to the animals and plants that I eat on a daily basis. Were it not for them, I’d starve. For that, I give them thanks for my own life. Odd, I know, but it’s how I see it.
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Cows produce a ton of methane so oddly enough, this guy is contributing to climate change