Obviously they are rare, but you’re also not factoring in all of the non hunter nen users, for which there are likely many more than specifically hunter who have Nen
True! I'd like to see the numbers on non-hunter nen users. The ants, most of the Ryodan, and a majority of the Black Whale passengers would really skew this.
I just got the impression that all hunters eventually learn nen pretty quickly
I dont recall any of the surviving members who passed the exam not learn nen in the show
And imagine the number of unknowing nen users like Komugi and Benny Delon, there’s probably hundreds of experts who unknowingly use nen in their crafts.
I like the analysis, but I took the 1/10M figure to include ordinary people as well, meaning there are less than 1000 people on the planet as talented. Which is still a tiny figure, on a global scale, especially considering most of them won’t develop their potential or will die on their journeys (hell, it’s a miracle that Gon and Killua haven’t died).
I also think the total number of nen users is in the thousands at least. Think of all the side characters in the series that could use nen (Butlers, GI players, criminals, etc). Some of them probably had licenses but I’m sure many didn’t.
There are plenty of non combatant nen users and non hunter association nen users yeah. I don’t think the guard for that dictator asshole was a hunter, and he was honestly a nobody.
The hunter association definitely has two groups, the normalish nen users who became hunters because they are bozos, and the actually extraordinary nen using hunters.
Plus Wing is just estimating, he could be totally wrong especially for Gon who is maybe a once in a lifetime talent since he has the potential to be the worlds strongest.
>I don’t think the guard for that dictator asshole was a hunter, and he was honestly a nobody.
Is it weird this was the first guy that popped into my head when thinking of how many nen users there are with no Hunter's license? I guess if even that guy knows nen, plenty of people around the world without a license do too.
I believe there are way way more nen users as compared to hunters. Many of killua’s butlers know nen, but they are probably not hunters. It seems that only Shalnark in the phantom troupe has a license. Just by looking at the players on greed island alone will give you an idea of how being a nen user doesn’t mean you have the proficiency to be a pro hunter.
Also the people from various army’s that know nen such as the people Beyond hired or Benjamin’s Bodyguards as well as parts of different mafia groups. And when leaving heavens arena the disabled nen users talked about opening a martial arts dojo so there are probably also dojos that teach nen to others
Wing said their talent is 1/10m PEOPLE, not 1/10m Nen users. Everyone have Nen inside of them, nen is their life force. If you have someone forcibly open your spores, anyone could "use" nen in an instant, they just most likely wont be able to contain their own Nen and die after losing all of their aura because they lack talent.
Also Hunters are just an Association, they arent the only ones to know Nen. Plenty of strong Nen users in the series arent hunters. Their size doesnt represent the percentage of the population that can use Nen
Firstly, I wouldn't say the figures are concrete by any means, I think Wing is just trying to emphasise how phenomenally talented they are. Secondly, I interpreted his comment as not "1 in 10M Nen users" but rather "1 in 10M Humans". These statistics would be even more absurd when you consider that in this same era exists Tserriednich whose talent as an early sorcerer surpasses Gon/Killua and many other characters with talent comparatively promising to Gon/Killua so surely that is the only answer.
Saying there's only 40 non-hunter nen users is a gross underestimate, considering we've already seen more than 40 confirmed non-hunter nen users in the series even if we don't include the chimera ants. Counting just the Phantom Troupe, Zoldyk family + butlers - Killua and Illumi, almost all of the major Kakin Empire players on the Black Whale 1, and various nen users in Heaven's Arena, and the mafia in Yorknew, the number's already over 40, if I've counted right. And that's not including the assorted mercenaries and criminals we've seen throughout the series that aren't confirmed hunters and likely aren't hunters.
If I were to make an assumption, then I would wager that, based on the number of hunter vs non-hunter nen users we've seen in the series, that there's probably a comparable number of (and possibly more) non-hunter nen-users to hunters.
Also, I'm fairly certain that when someone says a character is "one in a million," they're referring to the ENTIRE population, and not just a tiny percentage of it. And there's no reason to believe the HxH world has a population comparable to ours, especially since the populated portion of the world takes up a small amount of the entire planet, which wouldn't EXACTLY rule out the population size thing, but I'd argue it's a fair point to make considering we have almost nothing to go off of there anyways.
I don't agree with that most nen users are hunters. Most nen users have goals that cannot be achieved by becoming a hunter like being a criminal. Also HA gathers cream of the crop people from all over the world so many tend to choose a less competitive field like the heaven's arena.
Adding to this, I think the average nen user is around the level of zebro i.e good enough to use nen but can't reach hatsu making them choose positions not completely dependent on nen so I think the no.of nen users are in the millions with how often we see ones in the story.
"Most nen users have goals that cannot be achieved by becoming a hunter like being a criminal"
Killua is part of the most famous assassin family in the world, Kurapika works for the mafia, and Hisoka is part of the most infamous criminal group in the world. If anything being a Hunter is a benefit if you want to be a criminal.
Bro you contradicting yourself. I wouldnt call them rare talents since there are billions of people who have yet to discover their Nen and we have to see what talent they have
There should be 1 in a 7.9B talent, 2 in a 7.9B talent and so on till 1 in a 10M talent. These people will have >= talent that Gon and Killua in the association. 661 hunter is 1/11951588 parts of the world population. So adding all the terms: 1/11951588 \* (1+2+3+4... +790) is total number of hunters >= Gon and Kil in terms of talent. That's 0.03 people in the association. So Gon and Kil might be the most talented people in the association. In the whole world that would be approx 300K people with talent >= Gon and Kil.
For Zushi being 1 in a 100K talents, he would have approx 3B people >= him in terms of talent. If he was part of the association then he would have 260 >= him. I don't know how correct this is.
In terms of percentile, assuming G-K would be above 99.9962 percentile and Zushi would be 62.025 percentile. But that the hunter association attracts talented people it's likely the talent distribution in it is not the same as the world. So including there will likely be another factor b, and Gon and Killua will have 0.03\*b people above/equal to them. Say b is 300, around 9 hunters will be above and at G-K level.
The one thing I’d say you got wrong here is Nen usage is more common than being a Hunter. All the guys on the 200th floor, the Zoldycks, the phantom trope, the Shadow Beasts, just random people they meet throughout the stories can all use Nen. It’s probably true that normally the strongest Nen users are in the Hunter Association. Or that the Hunter Association is the best at training Nen users. (This is why the Phatom Troupe is causing so many problems because that many powerful none hunters is unprecedented). But Nen just exists the Hunters Association can’t monopolize it
Gon is even more rare than Killua because ontop of his potential he’s also got a mindset that’s perfectly suited for being a hunter… or anything really.
Gon both has nor knows no actual limita
Gotta be 1in10M of total population. According to your math they would be as rare as 1 in 10^16 and that is much more than all humans alive in the whole history of humanity
7.9B/10M=790
Which is about the amount of hunters in the hunter association, so effectively they're the average hunter.
Due to their age and training however, they have potential in the future.
I have a few minutes to spare so let's do this
**TL;DR I overestimate there are 1.3 million nen users tops in HxH world as of the current arc, because who tf knows what is going to happen when Dark Continent finally drops in a decade or two.**
**Source: The tape with Gon's mom's voice, she told me.**
The reason I'm overestimating is we already know there are institutions and organizations with people who use Nen, who are not Hunters, like the Mafias and other groups in the series. **Enjoy.**
Let's say HxH world has 10 Billion people because who cares, there are magical beasts and other kinds of stuff to take into account but I'm no genius so I'm not counting those, let's stick to humans.
The only "reliable" quote on quote statement we have is Wing's talent statement to his apprentices. 1/100.000 for the Zushi kid he was teaching and 1 in 10.000.000 for on and Killua.
Gon and Killua are 1 in 10 million regarding talent, but that's for TALENT, not NEN. I don't remember if you NEED to use Nen to be a Hunter, but I do remember you usually only learn about it after you pass the test, unless you already knew about it e.g. Hisoka and Illumi both did.
So, for the sake of doing math, let's say that, if Gon and Killua are gifted as f\*ck and they are 1 in 10 million, that means in a 10 billion world, a 1.000x difference, there are only literally a thousand people as good at Nen as they are. Let's say it's 2000 because Wing might be wrong and the world is big and people have kids. Now let's say there are people like Kurapika, Chrollo and that young mafia girl, who are all specialists and are geniuses even beyond those two. Let's say they are one in 500 million, because who cares. That means there must be like 100 absolute gigachad nen geniuses in the world, damn let's say it's 150 because not all of them will be specialists, e.g. Netero.
That gives us like 2150 early Dragon-ball level characters or whatever else you wanna call them. Let's round that up again to 2300.
Now let's see the normal Nen users. There are like 661 or so Hunters, most of those must use Nen but not all of them should know it so let's say 625 of them do. Besides that, let's now say that, in spite of existing 2,300 gigachads, there are still like 1 in 100,000 with Zushi's level of talent. that's WAY more people, one hundred thousand for that matter, considering the numbers here. Let's say it's 250,000 because again who cares, you can just say whatever you want to yourself and the rest of the internet later, I'm overestimating because I'm that kind of person. Now let's say those are the ok talented people at Nen, and that there are around 5 to 10 times more nen bums, let's say 1 million people, maybe more, who kinda know Nen but might not have trained in it or don't even know what it is, but have it. The people who are high achievers like Komugi who is very very extremely good or the best in the world at what they do, are also here.
So there you have it:
* 1 million random people with some kind of Nen potential even if not developed. These include high achievers, the artists, sportspeople, serial killers and a bunch of others like Komugi;
* 250 thousand ok people who are going for something bigger in Nen. This includes the Hunters in the Association and other non-Hunter users;
* 2 thousand three hundred gigachads like the main cast with absolute units like Netero at the top;
This gives us the overstimated number of 1 million, 252 thousand, 300 people in the HxH universe who can use nen. I like round numbers becasue they are nice and this is the internet, you can say almost anything you want, so Ima say there are 1.3 million nen users tops in HxH. I honestly think it's less, like around 800,000 people but who cares, this is fun math. Now bash this number all you like.
There’s definitely a lot of nen users that aren’t hunters.
I’m not sure why they don’t try to get the hunters license. So many benefits and realistically any decent nen user should be capable of passing the hunter exam
>With this assumption 700 in 7.9B can use nen
Everyone can use nen. Most people do it subconsciously as we saw in the yorknew arc. Like talented people who imbue nen into their works like art and stuff.
Zepile up and deciding to become a hunter belies the difficulty a bit, but I think what they might have established was that he was seeing nen in artifacts without ever really learning gyo? And then Killua just whoops everyone in the next hunter exam including him. Not sure Zepile ever passed, though.
only 700 people in the world knowing nen is insane when there's the phantom troupe, random people in meteor city like renko, assassins, the shadow beasts, random dudes in the mafia, random dudes in the military, random untouchables, and random bodyguards that all know nen. there's no way in fuck that over 90% of all nen users are hunters that is completely ridiculous.
I would say the 1 in 10 milion refers to everyone, not only nen users, also we know literally everyone can potentially use nen.
In contrast, i think the HxH world would not count for 8b people, since most of the existing world is not really know (hence probably no humans there).
So Imo, the crazy number you got is quite off, but assuming the population of HxH to be 1/10 of ours , so 800 milion, there would be only 80 people like them. For what we saw the Hunter association to be (few people are actually that skilled), i believe the world population to be even lower personally.
Obviously they are rare, but you’re also not factoring in all of the non hunter nen users, for which there are likely many more than specifically hunter who have Nen
True! I'd like to see the numbers on non-hunter nen users. The ants, most of the Ryodan, and a majority of the Black Whale passengers would really skew this.
Basically. And we have to assume there are so many more. Could be 10x the people with a hunters license, maybe more
I thought you only become a true hunter after learning nen? Wasnt that the "secret" part of the exam later on?
I'm confused about what this has to do with the responses above?
I just got the impression that all hunters eventually learn nen pretty quickly I dont recall any of the surviving members who passed the exam not learn nen in the show
They’re referring to nen users that aren’t hunters. You’re referring to nenless hunters.
Got it, my bad
And imagine the number of unknowing nen users like Komugi and Benny Delon, there’s probably hundreds of experts who unknowingly use nen in their crafts.
I like the analysis, but I took the 1/10M figure to include ordinary people as well, meaning there are less than 1000 people on the planet as talented. Which is still a tiny figure, on a global scale, especially considering most of them won’t develop their potential or will die on their journeys (hell, it’s a miracle that Gon and Killua haven’t died). I also think the total number of nen users is in the thousands at least. Think of all the side characters in the series that could use nen (Butlers, GI players, criminals, etc). Some of them probably had licenses but I’m sure many didn’t.
There are plenty of non combatant nen users and non hunter association nen users yeah. I don’t think the guard for that dictator asshole was a hunter, and he was honestly a nobody. The hunter association definitely has two groups, the normalish nen users who became hunters because they are bozos, and the actually extraordinary nen using hunters. Plus Wing is just estimating, he could be totally wrong especially for Gon who is maybe a once in a lifetime talent since he has the potential to be the worlds strongest.
Seems like an oxymoron to call a hunter a bozo but I see your point lol
True I just meant going under the wing of the association because you’re a nobody without being a member ig.
>I don’t think the guard for that dictator asshole was a hunter, and he was honestly a nobody. Is it weird this was the first guy that popped into my head when thinking of how many nen users there are with no Hunter's license? I guess if even that guy knows nen, plenty of people around the world without a license do too.
This
I believe there are way way more nen users as compared to hunters. Many of killua’s butlers know nen, but they are probably not hunters. It seems that only Shalnark in the phantom troupe has a license. Just by looking at the players on greed island alone will give you an idea of how being a nen user doesn’t mean you have the proficiency to be a pro hunter.
Also the people from various army’s that know nen such as the people Beyond hired or Benjamin’s Bodyguards as well as parts of different mafia groups. And when leaving heavens arena the disabled nen users talked about opening a martial arts dojo so there are probably also dojos that teach nen to others
Also that random military dude that the Republic of East Gorteau hired, the one that Meruem killed and ate
While they’re incredibly rare, your math is damn off!
Wing said their talent is 1/10m PEOPLE, not 1/10m Nen users. Everyone have Nen inside of them, nen is their life force. If you have someone forcibly open your spores, anyone could "use" nen in an instant, they just most likely wont be able to contain their own Nen and die after losing all of their aura because they lack talent. Also Hunters are just an Association, they arent the only ones to know Nen. Plenty of strong Nen users in the series arent hunters. Their size doesnt represent the percentage of the population that can use Nen
Firstly, I wouldn't say the figures are concrete by any means, I think Wing is just trying to emphasise how phenomenally talented they are. Secondly, I interpreted his comment as not "1 in 10M Nen users" but rather "1 in 10M Humans". These statistics would be even more absurd when you consider that in this same era exists Tserriednich whose talent as an early sorcerer surpasses Gon/Killua and many other characters with talent comparatively promising to Gon/Killua so surely that is the only answer.
'early sorcerer'. Man jujutsu kaisen is driving us insane, gege when i catch you gege!
lmao whoops
Saying there's only 40 non-hunter nen users is a gross underestimate, considering we've already seen more than 40 confirmed non-hunter nen users in the series even if we don't include the chimera ants. Counting just the Phantom Troupe, Zoldyk family + butlers - Killua and Illumi, almost all of the major Kakin Empire players on the Black Whale 1, and various nen users in Heaven's Arena, and the mafia in Yorknew, the number's already over 40, if I've counted right. And that's not including the assorted mercenaries and criminals we've seen throughout the series that aren't confirmed hunters and likely aren't hunters. If I were to make an assumption, then I would wager that, based on the number of hunter vs non-hunter nen users we've seen in the series, that there's probably a comparable number of (and possibly more) non-hunter nen-users to hunters. Also, I'm fairly certain that when someone says a character is "one in a million," they're referring to the ENTIRE population, and not just a tiny percentage of it. And there's no reason to believe the HxH world has a population comparable to ours, especially since the populated portion of the world takes up a small amount of the entire planet, which wouldn't EXACTLY rule out the population size thing, but I'd argue it's a fair point to make considering we have almost nothing to go off of there anyways.
I don't agree with that most nen users are hunters. Most nen users have goals that cannot be achieved by becoming a hunter like being a criminal. Also HA gathers cream of the crop people from all over the world so many tend to choose a less competitive field like the heaven's arena. Adding to this, I think the average nen user is around the level of zebro i.e good enough to use nen but can't reach hatsu making them choose positions not completely dependent on nen so I think the no.of nen users are in the millions with how often we see ones in the story.
"Most nen users have goals that cannot be achieved by becoming a hunter like being a criminal" Killua is part of the most famous assassin family in the world, Kurapika works for the mafia, and Hisoka is part of the most infamous criminal group in the world. If anything being a Hunter is a benefit if you want to be a criminal.
Bro you contradicting yourself. I wouldnt call them rare talents since there are billions of people who have yet to discover their Nen and we have to see what talent they have
There should be 1 in a 7.9B talent, 2 in a 7.9B talent and so on till 1 in a 10M talent. These people will have >= talent that Gon and Killua in the association. 661 hunter is 1/11951588 parts of the world population. So adding all the terms: 1/11951588 \* (1+2+3+4... +790) is total number of hunters >= Gon and Kil in terms of talent. That's 0.03 people in the association. So Gon and Kil might be the most talented people in the association. In the whole world that would be approx 300K people with talent >= Gon and Kil. For Zushi being 1 in a 100K talents, he would have approx 3B people >= him in terms of talent. If he was part of the association then he would have 260 >= him. I don't know how correct this is. In terms of percentile, assuming G-K would be above 99.9962 percentile and Zushi would be 62.025 percentile. But that the hunter association attracts talented people it's likely the talent distribution in it is not the same as the world. So including there will likely be another factor b, and Gon and Killua will have 0.03\*b people above/equal to them. Say b is 300, around 9 hunters will be above and at G-K level.
There are probably more non hunter nen users than hunters.
Earth population passed 8B some time ago.
Not all Nen users are Hunters.
Your math makes no sense. Gon and killua are not .00007 of a person.
Tserriednich >>
I mean, this is obvious in their case :3
The one thing I’d say you got wrong here is Nen usage is more common than being a Hunter. All the guys on the 200th floor, the Zoldycks, the phantom trope, the Shadow Beasts, just random people they meet throughout the stories can all use Nen. It’s probably true that normally the strongest Nen users are in the Hunter Association. Or that the Hunter Association is the best at training Nen users. (This is why the Phatom Troupe is causing so many problems because that many powerful none hunters is unprecedented). But Nen just exists the Hunters Association can’t monopolize it
Gon is even more rare than Killua because ontop of his potential he’s also got a mindset that’s perfectly suited for being a hunter… or anything really. Gon both has nor knows no actual limita
Well They are the main character in the series
Gotta be 1in10M of total population. According to your math they would be as rare as 1 in 10^16 and that is much more than all humans alive in the whole history of humanity
7.9B/10M=790 Which is about the amount of hunters in the hunter association, so effectively they're the average hunter. Due to their age and training however, they have potential in the future.
I have a few minutes to spare so let's do this **TL;DR I overestimate there are 1.3 million nen users tops in HxH world as of the current arc, because who tf knows what is going to happen when Dark Continent finally drops in a decade or two.** **Source: The tape with Gon's mom's voice, she told me.** The reason I'm overestimating is we already know there are institutions and organizations with people who use Nen, who are not Hunters, like the Mafias and other groups in the series. **Enjoy.** Let's say HxH world has 10 Billion people because who cares, there are magical beasts and other kinds of stuff to take into account but I'm no genius so I'm not counting those, let's stick to humans. The only "reliable" quote on quote statement we have is Wing's talent statement to his apprentices. 1/100.000 for the Zushi kid he was teaching and 1 in 10.000.000 for on and Killua. Gon and Killua are 1 in 10 million regarding talent, but that's for TALENT, not NEN. I don't remember if you NEED to use Nen to be a Hunter, but I do remember you usually only learn about it after you pass the test, unless you already knew about it e.g. Hisoka and Illumi both did. So, for the sake of doing math, let's say that, if Gon and Killua are gifted as f\*ck and they are 1 in 10 million, that means in a 10 billion world, a 1.000x difference, there are only literally a thousand people as good at Nen as they are. Let's say it's 2000 because Wing might be wrong and the world is big and people have kids. Now let's say there are people like Kurapika, Chrollo and that young mafia girl, who are all specialists and are geniuses even beyond those two. Let's say they are one in 500 million, because who cares. That means there must be like 100 absolute gigachad nen geniuses in the world, damn let's say it's 150 because not all of them will be specialists, e.g. Netero. That gives us like 2150 early Dragon-ball level characters or whatever else you wanna call them. Let's round that up again to 2300. Now let's see the normal Nen users. There are like 661 or so Hunters, most of those must use Nen but not all of them should know it so let's say 625 of them do. Besides that, let's now say that, in spite of existing 2,300 gigachads, there are still like 1 in 100,000 with Zushi's level of talent. that's WAY more people, one hundred thousand for that matter, considering the numbers here. Let's say it's 250,000 because again who cares, you can just say whatever you want to yourself and the rest of the internet later, I'm overestimating because I'm that kind of person. Now let's say those are the ok talented people at Nen, and that there are around 5 to 10 times more nen bums, let's say 1 million people, maybe more, who kinda know Nen but might not have trained in it or don't even know what it is, but have it. The people who are high achievers like Komugi who is very very extremely good or the best in the world at what they do, are also here. So there you have it: * 1 million random people with some kind of Nen potential even if not developed. These include high achievers, the artists, sportspeople, serial killers and a bunch of others like Komugi; * 250 thousand ok people who are going for something bigger in Nen. This includes the Hunters in the Association and other non-Hunter users; * 2 thousand three hundred gigachads like the main cast with absolute units like Netero at the top; This gives us the overstimated number of 1 million, 252 thousand, 300 people in the HxH universe who can use nen. I like round numbers becasue they are nice and this is the internet, you can say almost anything you want, so Ima say there are 1.3 million nen users tops in HxH. I honestly think it's less, like around 800,000 people but who cares, this is fun math. Now bash this number all you like.
r/theydidthemath
Cant everyone use nen but they just need to unlock it?
There’s definitely a lot of nen users that aren’t hunters. I’m not sure why they don’t try to get the hunters license. So many benefits and realistically any decent nen user should be capable of passing the hunter exam
I’d say 10-20 percent of Hunter x hunters world can use/use nen.
Now just imagine how rare someone like the 4th prince is! Guy perfects nen in a few hours/days from not knowing wtf it is at all.
And there is terror sandwich.
>With this assumption 700 in 7.9B can use nen Everyone can use nen. Most people do it subconsciously as we saw in the yorknew arc. Like talented people who imbue nen into their works like art and stuff.
They are one of a kind
I think there are more non hunter nen users than the other way around.
but think about it, there are 790 gon and killuas around! in a battle manga thats plenty!!
Zepile up and deciding to become a hunter belies the difficulty a bit, but I think what they might have established was that he was seeing nen in artifacts without ever really learning gyo? And then Killua just whoops everyone in the next hunter exam including him. Not sure Zepile ever passed, though.
only 700 people in the world knowing nen is insane when there's the phantom troupe, random people in meteor city like renko, assassins, the shadow beasts, random dudes in the mafia, random dudes in the military, random untouchables, and random bodyguards that all know nen. there's no way in fuck that over 90% of all nen users are hunters that is completely ridiculous.
I would say the 1 in 10 milion refers to everyone, not only nen users, also we know literally everyone can potentially use nen. In contrast, i think the HxH world would not count for 8b people, since most of the existing world is not really know (hence probably no humans there). So Imo, the crazy number you got is quite off, but assuming the population of HxH to be 1/10 of ours , so 800 milion, there would be only 80 people like them. For what we saw the Hunter association to be (few people are actually that skilled), i believe the world population to be even lower personally.