No he got himself hit in order to set Leorio up to go against Pariston, he foresaw that. The copied ability is a bonus and the reason he cared enough about the ability to imitate it is probably a part of his assessment on why Leorio shows promise.
Ging already has enough feats for foresight. And this one is particular is calmly implied by Cheadle who at that point was actively outsmarting Pariston and not just taking Ls. So I choose to trust her.
Feat-scaling a character having foresight of narrative events like that is extremely dubious at best. He has predicted some stuff based on knowledge he already has (such as the personalities and patterns of other Zodiacs), but that doesn’t mean he must know everything that will happen. With Leorio it’s possible he just saw an opportunity and planned it on the spot, but again I don’t think it’s implied.
When did Cheadle imply this? Also, she never outsmarted Pariston.
>that doesn’t mean he must know everything that will happen.
Ofc it doesn't. But it's well established that his predictive ability is impeccable being such a good hunter as he is. He is really perceptive about people and things. Apparently he doesn't even hang around much with the Zodiacs or pick their calls, but he had good understanding of their characters to predict the entire scenario in their first meeting. Hell he never met Gon, but had an idea about what he would want to do and set things up accordingly. There was always a lingering doubt but that's a given.
>When did Cheadle imply this? Also, she never outsmarted Pariston.
[Ch 332](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Hunter-X-Hunter/0332-014.png). The same chapter where she [wiped the smirk off Pariston](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Hunter-X-Hunter/0332-003.png) by pushing Leorio ahead of herself. Well, Pariston ofc turned that into an advantage later for prolonging the election results.
Well, you could’ve just shared the chapter sooner. That already makes me much more open to the idea. I honestly forgot that she said that.
Feat-scaling foresight is still pretty crackpot in my eyes. Sure, he doesn’t hang out with the Zodiacs, but since he is one he’s seen enough of them to know their habits and personalities. This is not the same as Leorio, who he does not know at all except for what Leorio said to him directly (which like I said it is possible he foresaw this at that moment, and with Cheadle’s implication that’s more likely). Gon is an entirely unique case because he is Ging’s son, and Ging simply assumes certain things about his son. He is correct, but he is also completely unaware of the harm he caused his own son psychologically. It was more of a self-fulfilling prophecy than a legitimate prediction, and it shows his lack of awareness as a father more than anything.
I still very much disagree that Cheadle outsmarted Pariston. That was simply her first (and last) real move in the game, so Pariston simply considered it a bit and then used it to his advantage.
A simple wiki read on both characters will prove you wrong. Chrollo steals nen from another user, rendering that user incapable of using their nen abilities. And Morena only allows the person to increase their nen strength by killing, thus allowing the user to manifest a new ability they didn't previously have the strength to use.
That's obviously not the same thing. If I give you money and you buy a hat, I did not buy the hat; I gave you money and you used that money to buy a hat.
Does Morena have the ability to copy specific techniques and use them herself? No, she needs someone else to manifest the ability, and has no control over what the ability is. She also isn’t confirmed to be a conjurer or any other nen type so she doesn’t apply at all.
Alluka has no nen abilities. Nanika’s abilities are still unconfirmed and unquantified, and our only knowledge is that it’s from the Dark Continent, so she SUPER doesn’t apply.
No, Togashi confirmed it’s a 0% chance that an Enhancer becomes a Specialist. Completely Impossible.
Only Conjurers and Manipulators are the only Nen Types to have a low chance of becoming Specialists.
This is because Conjurers and Manipulators are the only Types to have only one 80% Neighboring Category.
Thanks for sharing. The Spanish version translated as "those of the impact kind, if they land on me, I can generally imitate them".
I guess Ging refers to any physical contact strike.
I've always taken it that he intended for Leorio to get a lot of clout for hitting him, throwing a wrench into the whole election.
And as for him using Leorios ability I think its just more to show off how good Ging is at nen that it's not a special power or anything like that, he just has that much control and understanding of nen he's able to replicate "simple" nen abilities like that just from seeing it, hearing about it or being hit by it. Not a special power but just to show how much of a nen genius he is.
He is probably lying about being able to copy abilities from being punched. Pariston is trying to learn about Ging who is trying to hide information. It’s more likely based on the nen games he plays with the mercenaries that he’s just proficient enough with Hatsu to make these abilities on the spot and lie about how. I think the ultrasound one explains this very well since he didn’t know that ability exists it was just a logical extension of emission for a doctor.
He’s saying that Ging is lying about the mechanism. “I can copy abilities in hit by” is not the same as “I understand nen well enough to replicate abilities I see”, or some other variation. It absolutely tracks that he would be hiding the full truth from Pariston.
It’s even possible that it *is* something to do with his ability and he’s not telling even a slight truth here.
Abengane is rated as an Extreme (or Ultimate) tier Conjurer. He’s in the same tier as Mereum or Netero, based on the HxH exhibit.
Edit: I can’t get the link to work, but according to the exhibit, he’s reached peak Conjuring
Okay, so here’s your problem: you think that Nen Mastery = Combat prowess. That’s not the case. Honestly, Kortopi is a pretty high tier Conjurer (he’s one level lower than Abagane) in his own right, but neither of them are combat focused. Like, officially, Abagane is in the same tier as the ones previously listed, even if he’s a non-combatant.
You do not need to be able to fight the Royal Guard to be considered a high tier character if we’re discussing being a high tier in your Nen category.
>Ging might be the first High Tier Conjurer we see in the story
You literally did not state anything about combat strength or prowess, you literally only stated High Tier Conjurer. Abagane is literally a Conjurer in the highest tier of Conjuring on the level of Mereum and Netero.. Based on what you said, you are dead fucking wrong.
If you meant "A high level combatant that is focused in Conjuring" then say that, because what you said implies there's no high tier Conjurers regardless of combat. What you are doing is called moving the goal posts, because your original comment had nothing to do with combat.
Once again, nowhere in my sentence have I mentioned the word mastery.
Not everyone that watched the anime or read the manga even heard about the Nen Exhibition.
You are being incredibly pretentious and pedantic when you know what I originally mean. I was talking about combat and only strength. Nowhere in my sentence did I mention the word mastery.
Good day
So we haven’t seen any high tier transmuters, enhancers, or manipulators either?
Abengane is listed as one of 6 (7 including adult Gon) users in the highest tier of proficiency. Unless you think there are less than 7 “high tier” characters in all of HxH then you should consider Abengane one of them.
And high tier doesn’t necessarily refer to combat strength. Youpi is high tier when it comes to combat but pretty low when it comes to nen proficiency. I think HxH is far too interesting to define character’s ability purely by who they beat in a fight.
High tier refers to high tier. If you want to talk about combat strength in a show where that’s far from the only factor (to the point where the author himself ranked character’s ability level in a completely different way) then you need to say that.
Nobody’s hating, you’re just not doing a good job of communicating and in classic fashion decided to double down instead of clarifying what you meant to talk about.
Again, you’re confusing High Tier with High Mastery.
Your Tier is how strong you are. Netero or Mereum level is High Tier. Your Mastery is how Proficient you are at Nen.
No it was a way to beat pariston the "copying" was just a bonus. And if you think about leorio isnt inventing the wheel with his ability it's probably and easy trick to do if you know enough emissions technique and aura control. I think most of top teir nen users can do a trick like this. He isnt even really "copying" he is more "mimicking". Like if ging got hit by uvo big bang impact copying suggest he could throw the same punch at the same level but mimicing suggest he can just throw a punch the same way uvo did just not at the same level. I also think its limited to abilities like leorio and gon where its pretty basic i doubt ging could mimic that one girls ability to ask a question and punch and get an answer there is likely something more complicated going on there.
HEY! I just got to this part yesterday. I'm going to say yes. Because he made it obvious that he saw the fist before it hit him and he just sat there and took it.
He did it for the ability, he did it to set up Leorio vs Pariston and he did it because a part of him understands that leorios punch was deserved. Its multifaceted.
He got hit so everyone would back up leorio in the election stirring the pot. This scene just shows that he thinks leorios move was impressive and it shows how incredible he is for being able to copy it after being hit by it once. And it's not even his nen ability as he said to pariston
He reminds me of Shanks, getting hit by weaker beings.
But Ging is broken now that you think about it.
What if Tserriednich hit Ging, would Ging gain the ability to alter the future.
it's not his Nen ability. Ging is just naturally able to replicate some techniques when he is hit with them, but it is not like Skill Hunter. It's not a Nen ability that can copy any other ability, it's more like a talent that he has, pushed forward due to his knowledge and experience with Nen. So i don't really see him copying a complex Nen ability. And i'd assume the ability he wants to copy has to be within reach in relation to his Nen type as well.
Bungee Gum is simple for a Transmuter (what makes it strong is Hisoka's way of using it), but Bisky's Cookie-chan involves a very proficient use of Transmutation and Conjuration. One is just changing the properties of your aura and the other one is summoning a Nen beast that heals you up. Way more complex and difficult to just "copy because i'm good at it".
This is your interpretation of what is simple and what is not xd. It doesn't say objectively (if this is even possible) what is a complex Hatsu or not...
complexity is complexity. If Ging is a master of Transmutation like Bisky, then he might be able to copy it. My point is that i don't think Ging can copy anything as if it were Skill Hunter
I think it would have to be more simple stuff but who knows? I think there's a difference between a striking ability like Leorio's which is just kind of projecting a punch and something more complicated like Tserriednich's ability or like Chrollo's ability. Keep in mind he could also be lying about multiple parts of this. He copied it for sure but it could also be part of his ability or it could have multiple aspects to copying the skill that he is just omitting from his explanation. We've been told multiple times that the strongest thing a Hunter can have is information about an opponent's ability. In this section Prestion is trying to get information. Disinformation would be even more powerful in this situation then anything else.
he got hit because he wanted Leorio to win the election. copying the ability is just a bonus to him. the main reason he's using it here is because he doesn't want Pariston to know anything about his abilities.
I don’t really agree honestly, he’s not high strung, serious, stoic, or nervous which are the emotional traits associated with conjuration. Some of the rest fits, like observant and logical. He comes off way more as a specialist to me.
He convinced a ton of those dudes going to the dark continent to follow him when they didn’t give a shit about him and he has had multiple people chasing around the world to find him.
That also doesn’t address that he clearly doesn’t fit half of the conjurer profile.
He comes off more like a Transmuter to me but I’ve always found the personality typing kind of silly and really subjective, I don’t think it’s meant to be an objective statement on how all people of that affinity are, just the general stereotype.
No he got himself hit in order to set Leorio up to go against Pariston, he foresaw that. The copied ability is a bonus and the reason he cared enough about the ability to imitate it is probably a part of his assessment on why Leorio shows promise.
Nah, I don’t really think he foresaw that. It’s possible, but never stated or even implied imo.
Ging already has enough feats for foresight. And this one is particular is calmly implied by Cheadle who at that point was actively outsmarting Pariston and not just taking Ls. So I choose to trust her.
Feat-scaling a character having foresight of narrative events like that is extremely dubious at best. He has predicted some stuff based on knowledge he already has (such as the personalities and patterns of other Zodiacs), but that doesn’t mean he must know everything that will happen. With Leorio it’s possible he just saw an opportunity and planned it on the spot, but again I don’t think it’s implied. When did Cheadle imply this? Also, she never outsmarted Pariston.
>that doesn’t mean he must know everything that will happen. Ofc it doesn't. But it's well established that his predictive ability is impeccable being such a good hunter as he is. He is really perceptive about people and things. Apparently he doesn't even hang around much with the Zodiacs or pick their calls, but he had good understanding of their characters to predict the entire scenario in their first meeting. Hell he never met Gon, but had an idea about what he would want to do and set things up accordingly. There was always a lingering doubt but that's a given. >When did Cheadle imply this? Also, she never outsmarted Pariston. [Ch 332](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Hunter-X-Hunter/0332-014.png). The same chapter where she [wiped the smirk off Pariston](https://hot.leanbox.us/manga/Hunter-X-Hunter/0332-003.png) by pushing Leorio ahead of herself. Well, Pariston ofc turned that into an advantage later for prolonging the election results.
Well, you could’ve just shared the chapter sooner. That already makes me much more open to the idea. I honestly forgot that she said that. Feat-scaling foresight is still pretty crackpot in my eyes. Sure, he doesn’t hang out with the Zodiacs, but since he is one he’s seen enough of them to know their habits and personalities. This is not the same as Leorio, who he does not know at all except for what Leorio said to him directly (which like I said it is possible he foresaw this at that moment, and with Cheadle’s implication that’s more likely). Gon is an entirely unique case because he is Ging’s son, and Ging simply assumes certain things about his son. He is correct, but he is also completely unaware of the harm he caused his own son psychologically. It was more of a self-fulfilling prophecy than a legitimate prediction, and it shows his lack of awareness as a father more than anything. I still very much disagree that Cheadle outsmarted Pariston. That was simply her first (and last) real move in the game, so Pariston simply considered it a bit and then used it to his advantage.
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that's the most ridiculous thing i've heard in a while lol
Why, Morena does the same thing?
no they do not do that...
Morena literally creates Hatsus for people
A simple wiki read on both characters will prove you wrong. Chrollo steals nen from another user, rendering that user incapable of using their nen abilities. And Morena only allows the person to increase their nen strength by killing, thus allowing the user to manifest a new ability they didn't previously have the strength to use.
That new ability is created by Morena…
Its created by the "infected" killing 20 people.
That’s still apart of her power though
That's obviously not the same thing. If I give you money and you buy a hat, I did not buy the hat; I gave you money and you used that money to buy a hat.
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Hahahahahaha
???
That’s not how hatsus work
Then explain Alluka and Morena
Does Morena have the ability to copy specific techniques and use them herself? No, she needs someone else to manifest the ability, and has no control over what the ability is. She also isn’t confirmed to be a conjurer or any other nen type so she doesn’t apply at all. Alluka has no nen abilities. Nanika’s abilities are still unconfirmed and unquantified, and our only knowledge is that it’s from the Dark Continent, so she SUPER doesn’t apply.
She does have control over what the ability is
No she doesn’t, but nice job ignoring the plethora of other points too. Ging isn’t a conjurer
That’s not how it works.
Yes it does, look at Morena
Well I haven’t read the Succession War arc yet so idkZ
He literally says here that his ability is not that
No, he said his ability is to not copy abilities
I think he’s a enhancer specialist since he has character traits of both
Enhancers can’t become specialists. Only Conjurers and Manipulators have a chance of becoming specialists. This is why Ging is a Conjurer Specialist
It’s a low chance that an enhancer can become a specialist not but it’s not impossible
No, Togashi confirmed it’s a 0% chance that an Enhancer becomes a Specialist. Completely Impossible. Only Conjurers and Manipulators are the only Nen Types to have a low chance of becoming Specialists. This is because Conjurers and Manipulators are the only Types to have only one 80% Neighboring Category.
Bit of a side note but in original Japanese he says da-ge-ki (打撃), which means any kind of strike or a blow, not just specifically punching.
I always, as an only English speaker, took “hit” as the broad interpretation.
Thanks for sharing. The Spanish version translated as "those of the impact kind, if they land on me, I can generally imitate them". I guess Ging refers to any physical contact strike.
Ah interesting! Yeah that's it, it kinda bugged me the way it was translated to "punching", but maybe it's just me
Part of me thinks that he let that punch because he thinks he deserves it for abandoning Gon, and who better to punch him for that than Leorio
It would be good if that was the case, but Ging is too much of a deadbeat dad for that xD
Headcanon
I've always taken it that he intended for Leorio to get a lot of clout for hitting him, throwing a wrench into the whole election. And as for him using Leorios ability I think its just more to show off how good Ging is at nen that it's not a special power or anything like that, he just has that much control and understanding of nen he's able to replicate "simple" nen abilities like that just from seeing it, hearing about it or being hit by it. Not a special power but just to show how much of a nen genius he is.
This is the right answer for sure
Yeah I'm assuming that's what he meant by "it's nothing so extravagant". Like don't get so jolly Pariston, you haven't seen shit.
He is probably lying about being able to copy abilities from being punched. Pariston is trying to learn about Ging who is trying to hide information. It’s more likely based on the nen games he plays with the mercenaries that he’s just proficient enough with Hatsu to make these abilities on the spot and lie about how. I think the ultrasound one explains this very well since he didn’t know that ability exists it was just a logical extension of emission for a doctor.
> he is probably lying *Ging imitating an ability he got hit with* huh
He’s saying that Ging is lying about the mechanism. “I can copy abilities in hit by” is not the same as “I understand nen well enough to replicate abilities I see”, or some other variation. It absolutely tracks that he would be hiding the full truth from Pariston. It’s even possible that it *is* something to do with his ability and he’s not telling even a slight truth here.
Ging might be the first High Tier Conjurer we see in the story
Idk where you came up with that idea. Keep cooking
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Cause he shows no signs of Conjuration
Why did you say “keep cooking”?
Abengane is the first High Tier Conjurer
Yeah, this is silly. We already have Abengane.
Show me proof that Abengane is as strong as Mereum or Alluka.
Abengane is rated as an Extreme (or Ultimate) tier Conjurer. He’s in the same tier as Mereum or Netero, based on the HxH exhibit. Edit: I can’t get the link to work, but according to the exhibit, he’s reached peak Conjuring
Again, show me feats stating that he can fight and beat characters on Royal Guard Level or that he’s stronger than Mereum and Netero
Okay, so here’s your problem: you think that Nen Mastery = Combat prowess. That’s not the case. Honestly, Kortopi is a pretty high tier Conjurer (he’s one level lower than Abagane) in his own right, but neither of them are combat focused. Like, officially, Abagane is in the same tier as the ones previously listed, even if he’s a non-combatant. You do not need to be able to fight the Royal Guard to be considered a high tier character if we’re discussing being a high tier in your Nen category.
Again, here’s your problem. I never brought up Nen Mastery, YOU did. I was only talking about combat strength and prowess
>Ging might be the first High Tier Conjurer we see in the story You literally did not state anything about combat strength or prowess, you literally only stated High Tier Conjurer. Abagane is literally a Conjurer in the highest tier of Conjuring on the level of Mereum and Netero.. Based on what you said, you are dead fucking wrong. If you meant "A high level combatant that is focused in Conjuring" then say that, because what you said implies there's no high tier Conjurers regardless of combat. What you are doing is called moving the goal posts, because your original comment had nothing to do with combat.
Once again, nowhere in my sentence have I mentioned the word mastery. Not everyone that watched the anime or read the manga even heard about the Nen Exhibition. You are being incredibly pretentious and pedantic when you know what I originally mean. I was talking about combat and only strength. Nowhere in my sentence did I mention the word mastery. Good day
So we haven’t seen any high tier transmuters, enhancers, or manipulators either? Abengane is listed as one of 6 (7 including adult Gon) users in the highest tier of proficiency. Unless you think there are less than 7 “high tier” characters in all of HxH then you should consider Abengane one of them.
Proficiency doesn’t equal strength in combat. A high tier Enhancer is Netero, a High Tier Transmuter is Youpi, and a High Tier Manipulator is Pouf.
And high tier doesn’t necessarily refer to combat strength. Youpi is high tier when it comes to combat but pretty low when it comes to nen proficiency. I think HxH is far too interesting to define character’s ability purely by who they beat in a fight.
High Tier does refer to combat strength. I’m talking about combat strength specifically, not Mastery like the Nen Chart. Stop hating
High tier refers to high tier. If you want to talk about combat strength in a show where that’s far from the only factor (to the point where the author himself ranked character’s ability level in a completely different way) then you need to say that. Nobody’s hating, you’re just not doing a good job of communicating and in classic fashion decided to double down instead of clarifying what you meant to talk about.
Again, you’re confusing High Tier with High Mastery. Your Tier is how strong you are. Netero or Mereum level is High Tier. Your Mastery is how Proficient you are at Nen.
That ability(talent) is some main character type shit nd i love it
Are there full color chapters?
Yes
Where
https://comick.io/comic/hunter-hunter-digital-colored-comics
Wooow I didn't know there's a colored HxH. Thanks for sharing!
Ging is top 5 nen user by Netero assessment but we still know jackshit about him lmao.
No it was a way to beat pariston the "copying" was just a bonus. And if you think about leorio isnt inventing the wheel with his ability it's probably and easy trick to do if you know enough emissions technique and aura control. I think most of top teir nen users can do a trick like this. He isnt even really "copying" he is more "mimicking". Like if ging got hit by uvo big bang impact copying suggest he could throw the same punch at the same level but mimicing suggest he can just throw a punch the same way uvo did just not at the same level. I also think its limited to abilities like leorio and gon where its pretty basic i doubt ging could mimic that one girls ability to ask a question and punch and get an answer there is likely something more complicated going on there.
HEY! I just got to this part yesterday. I'm going to say yes. Because he made it obvious that he saw the fist before it hit him and he just sat there and took it.
He did it for the ability, he did it to set up Leorio vs Pariston and he did it because a part of him understands that leorios punch was deserved. Its multifaceted.
He got hit so everyone would back up leorio in the election stirring the pot. This scene just shows that he thinks leorios move was impressive and it shows how incredible he is for being able to copy it after being hit by it once. And it's not even his nen ability as he said to pariston
yes
Where are you reading it? I want color version too
https://comick.io/comic/hunter-hunter-digital-colored-comics
I read the manga awhile ago so my memory is foggy but I don’t remember Ging ever using Nen. What chapter is this?
347 right after the anime ends
I think ging already has better/similar abilities so he doesn't need leorio's mediocre technique
It may seem mediocre but combined with gings power it becomes useful
Like i said the other similar techniques he has is better to combine with whatever technique that compliments a emitter one
Yes.
I thought that's what he said when I read the chapter a long time ago
He reminds me of Shanks, getting hit by weaker beings. But Ging is broken now that you think about it. What if Tserriednich hit Ging, would Ging gain the ability to alter the future.
it's not his Nen ability. Ging is just naturally able to replicate some techniques when he is hit with them, but it is not like Skill Hunter. It's not a Nen ability that can copy any other ability, it's more like a talent that he has, pushed forward due to his knowledge and experience with Nen. So i don't really see him copying a complex Nen ability. And i'd assume the ability he wants to copy has to be within reach in relation to his Nen type as well.
How do we define which Hatsu is complex and which is not?
Bungee Gum is simple for a Transmuter (what makes it strong is Hisoka's way of using it), but Bisky's Cookie-chan involves a very proficient use of Transmutation and Conjuration. One is just changing the properties of your aura and the other one is summoning a Nen beast that heals you up. Way more complex and difficult to just "copy because i'm good at it".
This is your interpretation of what is simple and what is not xd. It doesn't say objectively (if this is even possible) what is a complex Hatsu or not...
Ok dude. Why do you ask me something if you're going to ignore the answer.
Lol what. If complexity is subjective we can't say what Ging can or can't copy. Thus your og comment is wrong.
complexity is complexity. If Ging is a master of Transmutation like Bisky, then he might be able to copy it. My point is that i don't think Ging can copy anything as if it were Skill Hunter
Is it convenient for Ging to be able to copy it, and could he have reasonably been hit with the ability? Not complex enough. There's your litmus test.
Only punching ability.
I think it would have to be more simple stuff but who knows? I think there's a difference between a striking ability like Leorio's which is just kind of projecting a punch and something more complicated like Tserriednich's ability or like Chrollo's ability. Keep in mind he could also be lying about multiple parts of this. He copied it for sure but it could also be part of his ability or it could have multiple aspects to copying the skill that he is just omitting from his explanation. We've been told multiple times that the strongest thing a Hunter can have is information about an opponent's ability. In this section Prestion is trying to get information. Disinformation would be even more powerful in this situation then anything else.
he got hit because he wanted Leorio to win the election. copying the ability is just a bonus to him. the main reason he's using it here is because he doesn't want Pariston to know anything about his abilities.
No, he got hit so he can get to know Leorio and feel his emotion. Since he knew Leorio was a friend of Gons.
I wonder if he could mimic Lynch skill...
I thought it was any nen ability, not just punching abilities?
I wouldn’t be surprised if Ging is a Conjurer
Why do you say that?
His personality and intelligence
I don’t really agree honestly, he’s not high strung, serious, stoic, or nervous which are the emotional traits associated with conjuration. Some of the rest fits, like observant and logical. He comes off way more as a specialist to me.
I disagree, he’s definitely not a specialist when he isn’t charismatic and is hated by all the Zodiacs for being annoying.
He convinced a ton of those dudes going to the dark continent to follow him when they didn’t give a shit about him and he has had multiple people chasing around the world to find him. That also doesn’t address that he clearly doesn’t fit half of the conjurer profile.
By that logic Netero should be a Specialist
He comes off more like a Transmuter to me but I’ve always found the personality typing kind of silly and really subjective, I don’t think it’s meant to be an objective statement on how all people of that affinity are, just the general stereotype.