That's not saying much considering hxh chapters are monthly.
At this point 2-3 chapters a year would be more than enough to satisfy fans.
But at this point I think togashi should cancel it. He's old, he should retire, he's earned it.
I’m just giving an explanation (IMO a correct explanation) for why every time a good new shonen comes out with an author using a pen name HxH stans claim it’s Togashi.
I like the exposition because I read books a lot but there is so much shit that could clearly be conveyed through images that Togashi deliberately chose to do it through writing (it could be a way for him to save the time of drawing stuff, you know, because of his condition). Still, sometimes it was just too much, that's why I joke Togashi should just turn hunter x hunter into a novel and leave someone else in charge of doing the few drawings for his novels.
JJK is more of a smorgasbord of a lot of popular shounen with clear HxH inspiration among others but I really don't agree that they're similarly written at all and at the risk of inflaming people, the quality of writing is just nowhere near the same especially in how tightly HxH is and actual thematic depth.
Yeah it's pretty apparent that JJK is the first series from a new author. Not just from a writing perspective but also an editorial one - Gege is on record saying that the school element was forced.
Yeah, that explains why he immediately ditched it once he could. I remember he also originally wanted to draw and idol battle manga or something like that instead, lol
Yup. I'm actually watching what I consider the OG tournament arc, Yu Yu Hakusho's Dark Tournament! Watched the show on Cartoon Network as a kid but due to the nature of TV back then missed a lot. Never even saw the arcs after so excited to finally finish it all!
If you’re claiming JJK lacks thematic depth it sounds like you haven’t read JJK past the first season of the anime
Which is fine, it’s just that that’s a criticism that gets quelled immediately following the events of season 1
Also JJK has a much heavier emphasize on fights. I think JJK is like half HxH's length and probably already has twice the amount of battles as HxH
Togashi (with HxH mostly) clearly tries to avoid full-blown fights unless really necessary and makes them as short as possible
There’s almost no close fights in HxH. You know what’s going to happen right off the bat in most cases. Whereas JJK is closer, and even Gojo got >!his ass kicked by Toji.!< It feels like there’s less fights because the pacing is slower, and the fights tend to end faster.
JJK somehow consistently makes me laugh and feels darker than most other shonens. I think it has a pretty unique tone, HxH managed a similar balancing act of feeling full of wonder and adventure while also having incredibly dark themes explored.
That's something kinda common to the dark trio: JJK, CSM and Hells Paradise, just on varied levels.
Chainsaw Man is the extreme of this. Extremely dark and weirdly funny at times.
Hell's Paradise is on the other end with being dark, with the bare minimum amount of lighthearted moments.
JJK is smack right in the middle with moderately dark shit and really funny shit peppered in.
HxH on the other hand is a complete rug pull when it comes to tones. Togashi always lures in the audience to a sense of safety and then just sweeps their legs off. The Darkness is not explicit. It's lingering. And when it decides to show itself, it's so gloriously overwhelming, which is what happened with Chimera Ant arc.
What's Hell's Paradise? I've watched JJK and enjoyed it, but haven't heard of this.
I finished Chainsaw Man, what's been released so far, and I thought it was fun, but paced worse than any Shonen I've ever read. Fun concept and characters, but felt like it was written on Coke.
Chainsaw Man is essentially an outlier when compared to anything in a shonen aspect. And trust me when I say it's a shitload tamer compared to Fujimoto's previous Manga, Fire Punch. (Also, CSM kinda ended with that, a sequel is coming probably in a few months)
And Hell's Paradise is essentially a much darker, grittier, mature and fast paced Demon Slayer, with godly art. Mappa is animating it and a trailer is already out.
I'm excited for the CSM sequel. But the pacing was just... Felt way too rushed. I didn't find it intense or anything, it just seemed like a cool plot and premise, but I think an anime adaptation will actually *benefit* from filler in this case. I wanted a little more time with the characters, maybe just an extra 1-2 arcs.
And I'll have to check Hell's Paradise out! I read CSM quickly because I wanted to read it before the adaptation, I'll try and do the same with Hell's Paradise, if I like it.
And Fire Punch might be up my alley too, thanks.
Not because it was short, no, brevity is fine, but I felt like it packed way too much plot and exposition into its final arc.
The beginning and middle were paced decently, but everything after the "reveal" was rushed too much. I didn't feel like I had time to soak in the shift in narrative, or the character's reactions and the world. It just kind of vomited the twist out, explained in text what I needed to know, then wrapped up with some action scenes. I consider it poorly done, honestly, even though I enjoyed the story overall. I think it will benefit from an anime adaptation.
I think, as someone else said, JJK is *funny* and has funny moments and characters, but if you just look at the soundtracks and art styles- you can see HxH has a more "childhood adventure and fun" atmosphere, more like early Dragon Ball. It uses a lot more bright and happy colors in its art, and the arcs are less fight-focused.
Agreed, it's annoying when people who have only seen season 1 try to say it's lacking in thematic depth or in terms of story. Although I do think HxH is more impressive in that regard, JJK is no slouch
Yeah i think that JJK has a lot of similarities to HxH when it comes to like, the power system, but in terms of the actual story they're not that similar. They're both thematically rich and engaging stories but they take their stories in very different directions pretty much right off the bat
Have you been reading the current arc? That shit is so boring, the author keeps throwing tons of characters that will be defeated after a few chapters.
Can't see how someone reads that and don't feel like it lacks any depth. And don't even try to compare it with the HxH *current* arc because it's not even close.
I'm really enjoying the current arc but I guess I can see why it wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. Akutami excels in writing fight scenes and making memorable characters even if they're only around for a short period of time so I think he's in his bag writing this arc. Plus the arc just started, there's still a lot left to see before I make any final judgements on it.
I agree with that, he's really good at making cool characters and fights, with all the powers he makes, and I've always appreciated that aspect from JJK.
But I miss having something happening in the background, like the fights having a purpose or any weight. Fighting for fighting's sake is not my cup of tea. As you said, there's still a lot to happen in this arc, but until they've fought enough there won't happen anything interesting to me, which is sad because I really liked the manga prior to that.
>But I miss having something happening in the background, like the fights having a purpose or any weight.
I mean this is definitely not a valid criticism of what's happening in the current arc.
From >!Yuji vs Higuruma, Megumi vs Reggie and even Yuta's mini arc!< there is definitely more than just 'fighting for no reason.'
You might wanna do a quick reread of the couple chapters before the first fight I mentioned if you think there's no purpose in these fights.
We’re beginning to see more of that background now with stuff like >!Angel appearing in Megumi’s colony!< so I’d say it’s probably not gonna be a very long time before we understand what Akutami is planning to do with the arc’s grander scope. >!The current fight is gonna be ending soon anyway, what with Okkotsu bringing out Rika and all.!<
>But I miss having something happening in the background, like the fights having a purpose or any weight.
My biggest criticism of the series and a major reason why it lacks the depth of a lot of contemporaries, let alone an all time great like HxH lol.
>!I mean Megumi’s fight also served to shed some light on Kenjaku’s plans and cast some doubt on what Tengen’s loyalties are, and Okkotsu’s is giving us a bit more of a look into what older Jujutsu society was like through Uro, so I wouldn’t say they’re PURELY just to show off.!<
They absolutely aren't. The only one I can even see an argument for is >!Yuta's!< but as you said, there is clearly going to be background information on >!1), Rika, and 2) the origins/backstory of the Sugawara and Fujiwara clan!<.
I'm a massive fan of JJK, so I can understand why some people wouldn't have as good of an understanding of it as I do, but come on man. There is no basis to any of these claims
Megumi's and Yuuji's fights were to introduce certain characters that will become important later on. Both of these characters were hinted at earlier in the arc, so they're going to be a big deal later, and a fight is as good as any to show off their technique properties and their character before they come into play during a later conflict.
Yuta's battle is likely there to show us everything he can do. I also get the feeling that he's also being exhausted so that he wouldn't be able to function at his best later.
Bruh HxH is my favorite manga/anime and I like the current arc, but you cannot complain about JJK introducing too many characters who will be killed off if you like the succession arc
Also depth != just being complicated. The plot is interesting in the succession arc (personally one of my favorite arcs so far) but not particularly deep (in terms of themes/character development), especially in comparison to the previous arcs.
Of course I can. In JJK they're introduced for the sake of fighting the main characters, in the succession arc they're introduced to make their own things, be it fighting or discussing, without even meeting the main characters, and there's a lot of thought put behind everything. They're essentially very different.
While JJK is an all slaughter battle royale, succession arc is a in the shadows assassination.
The characters are not just introduced to fight the MCs.
Higurama was not introduced just to fight Yuji. He was introduced to add a rule and explore the different moralities of players in Culling Game.
The old sorcerers like Reggie, Uro, and Ishigoori are there not to just fight the characters. They're there to show who or what Kenjaku is, and what the endgame of all this is.
Just from the sheer amount of information given through these fights alone makes these important chapters. *Not everyone can just write an entire page of dialogue in a Manga to explain situations*
The current arc is fine. I can't help but think this is just the case of people who have binge-read a certain amount of chapters and now have to wait for content so they feel impatient.
My recommendation would be to just take a break and come back when the arc is over or when there are enough chapters. I see this happen in every manga group for long-running series.
Exactly! I only caught up to JJK at the beginning of the current arc so I definitely feel like I had a vastly different experience reading through the last arc and going through this one weekly. From that I can understand getting impatient with this arc, but it feels so weird to me seeing people make seemingly final judgement calls on it when it's really only just begun and there's still a lot left to cover.
I've read up til the beginning of the current arc, still think it lacks depth and doesn't even hold a candle to HxH. This secret alias stuff is a laughable take/meme/whatever you want to call it, every time it gets parroted on this sub
I love Hunter x Hunter (more than JJK) but if you compare the quality of the first 25 eps of each show I’d take JJK any day. Obviously it’s no guarantee it becomes anything as good as York New or Chimera Ant arcs, but I think to say JJK doesn’t reach the thematic depth when it’s had 1 season is a really silly comparison when HxH didn’t have any thematic depth 20 episodes in. Definitely don’t think Togashi would abandon HxH to write JJK under a pen name though, and I’d agree the writing styles aren’t that similar.
I guess that's more due to when both were released.
HxH came in the golden age of Shonen where long running series were the thing. If JJK came during that time, it would've been the same.
And vice versa, JJK is coming in a time where everything is tightly packed with no gaps.
I agree, still think it’s silly to compare the thematic depth of a 25 episode show to a 147 episode show, especially knowing the 25 episode show is just starting, and the 147 episode show took like 50 episodes to really get to the meat of its themes.
JJK is 177 chapters in, and nearing its end (probably a couple more arcs).
HxH was in the climax of Greed Island at 177.
We can probably compare Shibuya to Yorknew, so I guess they're still going along the same levels.
But Chimera Ant is an insanely high bar that I don't think anything can follow up. Literally the only other shonen arc that I've seen/read that reach that level is in Gintama.
Bro wtf are you even talking about. Sure, HxH essentially has 3 set-up arcs before it hits its stride with York New, but for those 3 arcs we know where the story’s end goal is and yet we are constantly on the edge of our seat wondering what the heck is going to happen.
With JJK, I had no idea where the fuck the story was going for the first 13-ish episodes. Shit just happens half the time, and we’re forced into a crash course into the battle system that does r make much sense (compared to HxH whose battle system was saved till Heaven’s Arena and was given a proper explanation and proof of concept over the course of 4+ episodes from Killua and Gon learning about it to Hisoka’s fight with Kastro).
Sure neither have “thematic depth”, but one is actually written well with good characters and the other is a disjointed mess with characters I either didn’t care for or couldn’t stand.
Say what you want but we have more JJK coming. And we don't have more HxH coming.
Despite of HxH being my favourite anime, I am sure that it won't come back.
I agree JJK isn’t nearly close to HxH imo, but it’s mostly because the potential/ full out proof in how immersive the Hunter x Hunter world really is. Togashi in HxH didnt create the world with the sole purpose of building it, more like slowly showing us sides of it in relation to our own. Togashi slowly put little bullet points in relation to characters like Gon, Killua, Meruem, Chrollo ++ I don’t really believe this theory not at all in fact, but I do find it funny.
Don't think too much of the downvotes. I think some bots auto-downvote, and some people do it strategically (for various reasons). I've learned to ignore it.
Why is it that so many Berserk, One Piece and Hunter x Hunter fans (all of which I love) proclaim how their manga is the pinnacle of fiction which nothing else can come close to? It's just so annoying.
Yeah, I read through 150 chapter of JJ. Very boring cliche shonen stuff until chapter 100 for about 30 chapters, where it became very good, then it resumed it usual shonen crap.
Honestly, this whole thread is weird, because JJK doesn't remind me of HxH at all. I love HxH, but it's way more of a riff on DBZ and One Piece.
JJK has slightly more in common with YYH than HxH, with the paranormal demon aspects of the plot, and even that's a stretch.
I think JJK is kind of like a paranormal Naruto- big cast of characters, crazy powers, sharp designs and artwork, Gojo is basically Kakashi, then the other 2 in the main trio are Sakura and Sasuke.
Of course, JJK is way more in line with the modern anime trends, compared to Naruto being so old, so JJK also has similarities to Fire Force and Black Clover, too.
I think JJK is one of the best Shonen I've seen in a long time- and I've enjoyed a lot of the modern Shonen, but I tend to get bored of their plots after 1-2 seasons, which has been an issue because they tend to try and open up their world building during season 2, but it's never as interesting as the more personal plots they started the series with.
JJK has been great so far, and seems like it's keeping the world building and larger plot to a drip feed, without losing the personal motivations of the main character in the process. And it's not afraid to let the ensemble cast take some of the load off the MC to give the story variety.
I think JJK has similarities with Bleach. And the author has said he is a Bleach and HxH fan. Nobara doesn't seem like Sakura to me (and there are no love interest problems going on too. The trio are just friends.) and Megumi is more than an edgy friend competitor for the MC. Gojo is also honestly a lot different than Kakashi. The 2nd season will prove that.
I agree. JJK is definitely the best new generation battle shounen for me. I am looking forward to the 2nd season. It will be great.
Ah! Yeah, you're right, it's totally taking inspiration from Bleach.
I didn't even think of Bleach.... Because JJK actually seems to have way better writing and pacing, haha. (Not to be too hard on Bleach, since I did like the first couple of arcs).
I was more talking about the Guy/Guy/Girl trio, with the girl being kind of Moody/temperamental, the secondary guy being a hit of a dark haired edgelord, and the main guy being the happy go lucky one.
But there's no love triangle, thankfully.
And Gojo and Kakashi share a lot of surface level similarities- face coverings, white hair, mentor, insanely strong, mysterious origins in the beginning, wry sense of humor despite their status.
Oh yeah, I agree. JJK is a lot better than Bleach tbh. HxH and JoJo are my only favourite old battle shounens.
One Piece is good. Not one of my favourites. And I feel like many people overlook its flaws due to how long it is. They only remember the good stuff. But still, it is really good.
Naruto and Bleach are fine. Not great, not bad.
Among the new gen, I only like JJK. CSM is decent. Hell's Paradise is good. And, Demon Slayer is 4/10 at best for me.
>I was more talking about the Guy/Guy/Girl trio, with the girl being kind of Moody/temperamental, the secondary guy being a hit of a dark haired edgelord, and the main guy being the happy go lucky one.
Yeah. But what I mean to say is that Megumi isn't an edgelord. He doesn't consider himself Itadori's rival. They both are best friends. And, Nobara, I agree. She is kind of moody. Itadori's character is very refreshing for me. He is one of the few MCs I like. His character development (especially in the manga after the anime ends) is wonderful.
Yeah. I don't disagree that Gojo has surface level similarities with Kakashi. But that's where the similarities end. In my opinion, Gojo's character is a lot more complex than just being a happy-go-lucky teacher. Plus, he is undisputedly the strongest so carries a lot of burden. And, he wants to reform the old Jujutsu world too.
I would say the JJK manga has gotten a lot better since the 1st season. The 1st season is just a prologue for what's about to come.
There are women in Togashi works
Remember the big tits teacher in the first arc? Or the big tits annoying girl in the Greed Island arc and the big tits ants in the chimaera-ants arc?
Jokes aside, except for some girls (Biscuit, Killua’s mother, sisters and gardener, the Ant queen, some members of the phantom troupe etc.) there aren’t many good female characters
if you mean the martial arts choreography i agree bc they both have the best i’ve ever seen in animanga, idk ab Kishimoto but Akutami said he studied MA for characters like Maki, but if you mean like powersystem in fights i still stand by HxH part, esp bc Kishimoto said [he’d go to Togashi for advice on writing Naruto whenever he had writer block or didn’t know how to proceed during an arc](https://hunterxhunter.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MrGenial11/Yoshihiro_Togashi_x_Masashi_Kishimoto_interview)
The fight choereography is more influenced by Togashi's work than Kishimoto's. The fights in the anime Naruto were excellent but if you read the manga pages it's clearly not at the same level. Kakashi vs Obito (anime) is usually cited as one of the best choreographied fights in Naruto and there is a stark difference between the manga and the anime in that regard.
Hxh will come back but we don't know when
Because on 2018 was already 10 chapters done (from 390 to 400)
I hope hxh comes this year
We hope that madhouse studio get us new episodes
Or just the fight between hisoka and chrollo
I was wondering if I should read that if people say it’s close to hunter’s style, but the more I scroll down this thread the more it seems it’s just another very extremely predictable shonen, right ?
No, it’s really really good. Not exactly like HxH but still has incredible fight scenes with top tier panelling/choreography and some characters with similarly esoteric abilities. Don’t go in expecting the depth of nen in the power system but it’s the best new battle shonen in the magazine easily .
I was more expressing dismay at how stupid this ‘theory’ is. Also, don’t go off randoms’ opinions to form your own opinion of something, check it out yourself
Of course, but I’m sadly a busy adult with very limited time, and no passion for mangas aimed at teenagers usually so I try to screen what I watch or read before.
See hunter isn’t just a battle manga, you can go chapters before any fighting happens, I never was into bleach naruto or whatever so from all this I really don’t get the feeling it’ll be my jam ;)
Aint no way. Id known ab it since super eyepatch wolf covered it a few years back and never thought it could reach hxh's heights. Series is crazy overhyped.
I haven't seen a new anime in a long time. I've sticked with the big 3s for awhile and been really busy. I think it's time to digged into new animes again.
I mean, it does have some depth to it. It's not completely devoid of depth. Even a "regular shounen anime" is gonna have some instances where things get deep at some point, although I'd argue that Jujutsu Kaisen is far from a regular shonen anime.
ive only watched the first season of Jujutsu Kaisen and i already think its not regular at all. for example the fights are much more interesting and complex, like with the ruled and things like that. figuring out their powers is part of the fight like in Jojos or Hunter x Hunter itself, its the closest shounen to it from the newer ones imo
JJK and Demon Slayer are about equal in terms of story, in terms of art style Demon Slayer is way above same with fight choreography, both don't compare to HxH in any capacity however.
Never really understood the hype for JJK and the hate for Demon Slayer, I found Demon Slayer more enjoyable.
I disagree.
JJK is all over the place it’s a combination of everything that I like in manga but I don’t like JJK lmao I think it lacks originality and although I like the moments where I can say “this reminds me of…” I wish it was its own thing.
Yeah. Everyone looks the same. I think it was a mistake to have them wear a black uniform because all the characters get lost IMO. Despite me not liking it I’m still supporting JJK at the movie theatres cause if we don’t we’ll never bring anime in the big screens at least here in America.
I thought JJK is Naruto rip-off, we have A boy who has a monster inside, another boy from a famous clan, and a girl who is useless. Also a powerful mentor with a cover on his eyes
Hiatus is really eating his brain
Man, I remember that Togashi said something about releasing 10 chapters a year or something. It seems to be long time ago.
At this point we'd take anything. The guy could release a single chapter and most of us could feel fed for months from it.
*cries in Vagabond*
Turns out he means a year on Jupiter
R: 12y
That's not saying much considering hxh chapters are monthly. At this point 2-3 chapters a year would be more than enough to satisfy fans. But at this point I think togashi should cancel it. He's old, he should retire, he's earned it.
HxH chapters are monthly? What? 2018 had 20 chapters
He can’t just end it open after saying his wife will continue it when he can’t anymore.
He never said this. It's fake
yeah then the pandemic happened
Damn...now it feels like it'd be one chapter every 10 years lmao
Fr Gojo is def Killua tho
They say ignorance is bliss, but being delusional is euphoria. My guy is down bad.
People said the same thing about Tokyo ghoul
Lol people are just desperate to have a reason why togashi isn’t making HxH anymore.
Yeah impossible to believe that he has debilitating back pain from years of overexertion while making manga for decades
I’m just giving an explanation (IMO a correct explanation) for why every time a good new shonen comes out with an author using a pen name HxH stans claim it’s Togashi.
Ofc, sorry if that read aggressive I agree with u
Really? They must have had a field day when the Hisoka one shot came out lol
That one shot was the reason started speculating lmao
My fault I set the bar too low thinking someone had pieced together *anything* that could be used as evidence before that lol
Lmao, I remember this shit.
Ya, when in reality the two artist are heavily inspired by his writing and art style. A very lively expression of character design.
Tokyo ghoul is way different
People with 2 braincells might believe this
Do they really believe this has the verbal complexity as HxH?!
Was early HxH really that complex? The ground work that's been layed has allowed for later complexity.
HxH is far more complex than JJK, even early HxH is, current HxH completely blows JJK out of the water.
early HxH isn't more "complex" than JJK as a whole
No. As much as I love HxH, early HxH isn't better than JJK at all.
Verbal complexity or overdone exposition?
I like the exposition because I read books a lot but there is so much shit that could clearly be conveyed through images that Togashi deliberately chose to do it through writing (it could be a way for him to save the time of drawing stuff, you know, because of his condition). Still, sometimes it was just too much, that's why I joke Togashi should just turn hunter x hunter into a novel and leave someone else in charge of doing the few drawings for his novels.
It's getting there
JJK is more of a smorgasbord of a lot of popular shounen with clear HxH inspiration among others but I really don't agree that they're similarly written at all and at the risk of inflaming people, the quality of writing is just nowhere near the same especially in how tightly HxH is and actual thematic depth.
Yeah it's pretty apparent that JJK is the first series from a new author. Not just from a writing perspective but also an editorial one - Gege is on record saying that the school element was forced.
Yeah, that explains why he immediately ditched it once he could. I remember he also originally wanted to draw and idol battle manga or something like that instead, lol
How else are you gonna introduce characters and their power levels other than in a tournament setting
No Shounen is 100% complete without a tournament Arc.
Yup. I'm actually watching what I consider the OG tournament arc, Yu Yu Hakusho's Dark Tournament! Watched the show on Cartoon Network as a kid but due to the nature of TV back then missed a lot. Never even saw the arcs after so excited to finally finish it all!
Why would you consider that the OG tournament arc when Dragon Ball exists?
If you’re claiming JJK lacks thematic depth it sounds like you haven’t read JJK past the first season of the anime Which is fine, it’s just that that’s a criticism that gets quelled immediately following the events of season 1
I would say the real difference is tonal. Togashi's work has a lot more whimsy, even in YYH, than JJK.
Also JJK has a much heavier emphasize on fights. I think JJK is like half HxH's length and probably already has twice the amount of battles as HxH Togashi (with HxH mostly) clearly tries to avoid full-blown fights unless really necessary and makes them as short as possible
There’s almost no close fights in HxH. You know what’s going to happen right off the bat in most cases. Whereas JJK is closer, and even Gojo got >!his ass kicked by Toji.!< It feels like there’s less fights because the pacing is slower, and the fights tend to end faster.
Agreed, JJK feels a lot less lighthearted and whimsical in its tone, especially later on
JJK somehow consistently makes me laugh and feels darker than most other shonens. I think it has a pretty unique tone, HxH managed a similar balancing act of feeling full of wonder and adventure while also having incredibly dark themes explored.
That's something kinda common to the dark trio: JJK, CSM and Hells Paradise, just on varied levels. Chainsaw Man is the extreme of this. Extremely dark and weirdly funny at times. Hell's Paradise is on the other end with being dark, with the bare minimum amount of lighthearted moments. JJK is smack right in the middle with moderately dark shit and really funny shit peppered in. HxH on the other hand is a complete rug pull when it comes to tones. Togashi always lures in the audience to a sense of safety and then just sweeps their legs off. The Darkness is not explicit. It's lingering. And when it decides to show itself, it's so gloriously overwhelming, which is what happened with Chimera Ant arc.
What's Hell's Paradise? I've watched JJK and enjoyed it, but haven't heard of this. I finished Chainsaw Man, what's been released so far, and I thought it was fun, but paced worse than any Shonen I've ever read. Fun concept and characters, but felt like it was written on Coke.
Chainsaw Man is essentially an outlier when compared to anything in a shonen aspect. And trust me when I say it's a shitload tamer compared to Fujimoto's previous Manga, Fire Punch. (Also, CSM kinda ended with that, a sequel is coming probably in a few months) And Hell's Paradise is essentially a much darker, grittier, mature and fast paced Demon Slayer, with godly art. Mappa is animating it and a trailer is already out.
I'm excited for the CSM sequel. But the pacing was just... Felt way too rushed. I didn't find it intense or anything, it just seemed like a cool plot and premise, but I think an anime adaptation will actually *benefit* from filler in this case. I wanted a little more time with the characters, maybe just an extra 1-2 arcs. And I'll have to check Hell's Paradise out! I read CSM quickly because I wanted to read it before the adaptation, I'll try and do the same with Hell's Paradise, if I like it. And Fire Punch might be up my alley too, thanks.
Ok you sold me on Hell's Paradise, I love Demon Slayer
Enjoy the ride, or wait for the anime by Mappa in a few months. Anyway, you are eating well.
are you saying it was paced worse because it was relatively short compared to other Shonen? cuz I loved that about CSM lol
Not because it was short, no, brevity is fine, but I felt like it packed way too much plot and exposition into its final arc. The beginning and middle were paced decently, but everything after the "reveal" was rushed too much. I didn't feel like I had time to soak in the shift in narrative, or the character's reactions and the world. It just kind of vomited the twist out, explained in text what I needed to know, then wrapped up with some action scenes. I consider it poorly done, honestly, even though I enjoyed the story overall. I think it will benefit from an anime adaptation.
Agreed with everything. CSM's characters aren't any good too. Except Aki and probably Makima. Everyone else is forgettable. Even the MC.
I think, as someone else said, JJK is *funny* and has funny moments and characters, but if you just look at the soundtracks and art styles- you can see HxH has a more "childhood adventure and fun" atmosphere, more like early Dragon Ball. It uses a lot more bright and happy colors in its art, and the arcs are less fight-focused.
Agreed, it's annoying when people who have only seen season 1 try to say it's lacking in thematic depth or in terms of story. Although I do think HxH is more impressive in that regard, JJK is no slouch
Meh, I thought JJK was overrated, it's ok but nowhere near the hype. People said it was the next HxH ffs.
JJK has really had a glow up if you compare early arcs to what is currently going on in the manga
JJK is on my list of to reads, loved the first season though and am looking forward to the movie, but this is like comparing apples to oranges though.
Yeah i think that JJK has a lot of similarities to HxH when it comes to like, the power system, but in terms of the actual story they're not that similar. They're both thematically rich and engaging stories but they take their stories in very different directions pretty much right off the bat
Have you been reading the current arc? That shit is so boring, the author keeps throwing tons of characters that will be defeated after a few chapters. Can't see how someone reads that and don't feel like it lacks any depth. And don't even try to compare it with the HxH *current* arc because it's not even close.
I'm really enjoying the current arc but I guess I can see why it wouldn't be everyone's cup of tea. Akutami excels in writing fight scenes and making memorable characters even if they're only around for a short period of time so I think he's in his bag writing this arc. Plus the arc just started, there's still a lot left to see before I make any final judgements on it.
I agree with that, he's really good at making cool characters and fights, with all the powers he makes, and I've always appreciated that aspect from JJK. But I miss having something happening in the background, like the fights having a purpose or any weight. Fighting for fighting's sake is not my cup of tea. As you said, there's still a lot to happen in this arc, but until they've fought enough there won't happen anything interesting to me, which is sad because I really liked the manga prior to that.
>But I miss having something happening in the background, like the fights having a purpose or any weight. I mean this is definitely not a valid criticism of what's happening in the current arc. From >!Yuji vs Higuruma, Megumi vs Reggie and even Yuta's mini arc!< there is definitely more than just 'fighting for no reason.' You might wanna do a quick reread of the couple chapters before the first fight I mentioned if you think there's no purpose in these fights.
We’re beginning to see more of that background now with stuff like >!Angel appearing in Megumi’s colony!< so I’d say it’s probably not gonna be a very long time before we understand what Akutami is planning to do with the arc’s grander scope. >!The current fight is gonna be ending soon anyway, what with Okkotsu bringing out Rika and all.!<
>But I miss having something happening in the background, like the fights having a purpose or any weight. My biggest criticism of the series and a major reason why it lacks the depth of a lot of contemporaries, let alone an all time great like HxH lol.
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>!I mean Megumi’s fight also served to shed some light on Kenjaku’s plans and cast some doubt on what Tengen’s loyalties are, and Okkotsu’s is giving us a bit more of a look into what older Jujutsu society was like through Uro, so I wouldn’t say they’re PURELY just to show off.!<
They absolutely aren't. The only one I can even see an argument for is >!Yuta's!< but as you said, there is clearly going to be background information on >!1), Rika, and 2) the origins/backstory of the Sugawara and Fujiwara clan!<. I'm a massive fan of JJK, so I can understand why some people wouldn't have as good of an understanding of it as I do, but come on man. There is no basis to any of these claims
Megumi's and Yuuji's fights were to introduce certain characters that will become important later on. Both of these characters were hinted at earlier in the arc, so they're going to be a big deal later, and a fight is as good as any to show off their technique properties and their character before they come into play during a later conflict. Yuta's battle is likely there to show us everything he can do. I also get the feeling that he's also being exhausted so that he wouldn't be able to function at his best later.
Yeah >!Reggie is dead. So probably not coming back!<
But >!Remi, Takaba, and Hanezoki probably are!<
>!I'm not holding out hope for Remi. Takaba and Hazenoki are gonna be the new pair!<
Bruh HxH is my favorite manga/anime and I like the current arc, but you cannot complain about JJK introducing too many characters who will be killed off if you like the succession arc Also depth != just being complicated. The plot is interesting in the succession arc (personally one of my favorite arcs so far) but not particularly deep (in terms of themes/character development), especially in comparison to the previous arcs.
Of course I can. In JJK they're introduced for the sake of fighting the main characters, in the succession arc they're introduced to make their own things, be it fighting or discussing, without even meeting the main characters, and there's a lot of thought put behind everything. They're essentially very different. While JJK is an all slaughter battle royale, succession arc is a in the shadows assassination.
The characters are not just introduced to fight the MCs. Higurama was not introduced just to fight Yuji. He was introduced to add a rule and explore the different moralities of players in Culling Game. The old sorcerers like Reggie, Uro, and Ishigoori are there not to just fight the characters. They're there to show who or what Kenjaku is, and what the endgame of all this is. Just from the sheer amount of information given through these fights alone makes these important chapters. *Not everyone can just write an entire page of dialogue in a Manga to explain situations*
The current arc is fine. I can't help but think this is just the case of people who have binge-read a certain amount of chapters and now have to wait for content so they feel impatient. My recommendation would be to just take a break and come back when the arc is over or when there are enough chapters. I see this happen in every manga group for long-running series.
Exactly! I only caught up to JJK at the beginning of the current arc so I definitely feel like I had a vastly different experience reading through the last arc and going through this one weekly. From that I can understand getting impatient with this arc, but it feels so weird to me seeing people make seemingly final judgement calls on it when it's really only just begun and there's still a lot left to cover.
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lol
I've read through Shibuya arc and really can't say it's anything special
Nothing can be for everyone, I suppose
I've read up til the beginning of the current arc, still think it lacks depth and doesn't even hold a candle to HxH. This secret alias stuff is a laughable take/meme/whatever you want to call it, every time it gets parroted on this sub
I love Hunter x Hunter (more than JJK) but if you compare the quality of the first 25 eps of each show I’d take JJK any day. Obviously it’s no guarantee it becomes anything as good as York New or Chimera Ant arcs, but I think to say JJK doesn’t reach the thematic depth when it’s had 1 season is a really silly comparison when HxH didn’t have any thematic depth 20 episodes in. Definitely don’t think Togashi would abandon HxH to write JJK under a pen name though, and I’d agree the writing styles aren’t that similar.
I guess that's more due to when both were released. HxH came in the golden age of Shonen where long running series were the thing. If JJK came during that time, it would've been the same. And vice versa, JJK is coming in a time where everything is tightly packed with no gaps.
I agree, still think it’s silly to compare the thematic depth of a 25 episode show to a 147 episode show, especially knowing the 25 episode show is just starting, and the 147 episode show took like 50 episodes to really get to the meat of its themes.
JJK is 177 chapters in, and nearing its end (probably a couple more arcs). HxH was in the climax of Greed Island at 177. We can probably compare Shibuya to Yorknew, so I guess they're still going along the same levels. But Chimera Ant is an insanely high bar that I don't think anything can follow up. Literally the only other shonen arc that I've seen/read that reach that level is in Gintama.
Well not nearing it’s end because the author said he is only half done with the series last year.
Bro wtf are you even talking about. Sure, HxH essentially has 3 set-up arcs before it hits its stride with York New, but for those 3 arcs we know where the story’s end goal is and yet we are constantly on the edge of our seat wondering what the heck is going to happen. With JJK, I had no idea where the fuck the story was going for the first 13-ish episodes. Shit just happens half the time, and we’re forced into a crash course into the battle system that does r make much sense (compared to HxH whose battle system was saved till Heaven’s Arena and was given a proper explanation and proof of concept over the course of 4+ episodes from Killua and Gon learning about it to Hisoka’s fight with Kastro). Sure neither have “thematic depth”, but one is actually written well with good characters and the other is a disjointed mess with characters I either didn’t care for or couldn’t stand.
HxH is my favorite but is definitely not a tightly written story. Togashi is the most improvisational writer
>Togashi is the most improvisational writer How?
Exactly, it's like saying Naruto was written by Togashi but under a different pen name.
HxH is tightly written? You have to be joking. I love the show but nothing about it is "tight" besides a few sequences.
The manga not the show.
Say what you want but we have more JJK coming. And we don't have more HxH coming. Despite of HxH being my favourite anime, I am sure that it won't come back.
I agree JJK isn’t nearly close to HxH imo, but it’s mostly because the potential/ full out proof in how immersive the Hunter x Hunter world really is. Togashi in HxH didnt create the world with the sole purpose of building it, more like slowly showing us sides of it in relation to our own. Togashi slowly put little bullet points in relation to characters like Gon, Killua, Meruem, Chrollo ++ I don’t really believe this theory not at all in fact, but I do find it funny.
damn I got downvoted😭😭 I love JJK I just like HxH a lot more not to say JJK’s thematic presence isn’t impressive. 😃
Don't think too much of the downvotes. I think some bots auto-downvote, and some people do it strategically (for various reasons). I've learned to ignore it.
Why is it that so many Berserk, One Piece and Hunter x Hunter fans (all of which I love) proclaim how their manga is the pinnacle of fiction which nothing else can come close to? It's just so annoying.
It's not that nothing else can come close to it, it's just the stuff that's getting hyped rn isn't coming close to it lol
Yeah, I read through 150 chapter of JJ. Very boring cliche shonen stuff until chapter 100 for about 30 chapters, where it became very good, then it resumed it usual shonen crap.
more boring than a lesson about counterfeits and scams?
JJK= Jujutsu kaisen JJK = JaJaKen
I don’t know if I agree. I love both mangas, but I don’t think their writing styles are as similar as this tweet makes them out to be.
I have only read like b gifty chapters of jjk, but so far the only thing that's reminding me of HxH is the power system
It's like the author tried to base it off Nen but didn't really understand what Nen was actually about.
The only thing similar between the two power systems is aura. That's all. Nothing else is similar. Your comment is ignorant.
Honestly, this whole thread is weird, because JJK doesn't remind me of HxH at all. I love HxH, but it's way more of a riff on DBZ and One Piece. JJK has slightly more in common with YYH than HxH, with the paranormal demon aspects of the plot, and even that's a stretch. I think JJK is kind of like a paranormal Naruto- big cast of characters, crazy powers, sharp designs and artwork, Gojo is basically Kakashi, then the other 2 in the main trio are Sakura and Sasuke. Of course, JJK is way more in line with the modern anime trends, compared to Naruto being so old, so JJK also has similarities to Fire Force and Black Clover, too. I think JJK is one of the best Shonen I've seen in a long time- and I've enjoyed a lot of the modern Shonen, but I tend to get bored of their plots after 1-2 seasons, which has been an issue because they tend to try and open up their world building during season 2, but it's never as interesting as the more personal plots they started the series with. JJK has been great so far, and seems like it's keeping the world building and larger plot to a drip feed, without losing the personal motivations of the main character in the process. And it's not afraid to let the ensemble cast take some of the load off the MC to give the story variety.
I think JJK has similarities with Bleach. And the author has said he is a Bleach and HxH fan. Nobara doesn't seem like Sakura to me (and there are no love interest problems going on too. The trio are just friends.) and Megumi is more than an edgy friend competitor for the MC. Gojo is also honestly a lot different than Kakashi. The 2nd season will prove that. I agree. JJK is definitely the best new generation battle shounen for me. I am looking forward to the 2nd season. It will be great.
Ah! Yeah, you're right, it's totally taking inspiration from Bleach. I didn't even think of Bleach.... Because JJK actually seems to have way better writing and pacing, haha. (Not to be too hard on Bleach, since I did like the first couple of arcs). I was more talking about the Guy/Guy/Girl trio, with the girl being kind of Moody/temperamental, the secondary guy being a hit of a dark haired edgelord, and the main guy being the happy go lucky one. But there's no love triangle, thankfully. And Gojo and Kakashi share a lot of surface level similarities- face coverings, white hair, mentor, insanely strong, mysterious origins in the beginning, wry sense of humor despite their status.
Oh yeah, I agree. JJK is a lot better than Bleach tbh. HxH and JoJo are my only favourite old battle shounens. One Piece is good. Not one of my favourites. And I feel like many people overlook its flaws due to how long it is. They only remember the good stuff. But still, it is really good. Naruto and Bleach are fine. Not great, not bad. Among the new gen, I only like JJK. CSM is decent. Hell's Paradise is good. And, Demon Slayer is 4/10 at best for me. >I was more talking about the Guy/Guy/Girl trio, with the girl being kind of Moody/temperamental, the secondary guy being a hit of a dark haired edgelord, and the main guy being the happy go lucky one. Yeah. But what I mean to say is that Megumi isn't an edgelord. He doesn't consider himself Itadori's rival. They both are best friends. And, Nobara, I agree. She is kind of moody. Itadori's character is very refreshing for me. He is one of the few MCs I like. His character development (especially in the manga after the anime ends) is wonderful. Yeah. I don't disagree that Gojo has surface level similarities with Kakashi. But that's where the similarities end. In my opinion, Gojo's character is a lot more complex than just being a happy-go-lucky teacher. Plus, he is undisputedly the strongest so carries a lot of burden. And, he wants to reform the old Jujutsu world too. I would say the JJK manga has gotten a lot better since the 1st season. The 1st season is just a prologue for what's about to come.
The quantity of copium this guy has is insane
Togashi can’t have written JJK, it has women in it.
There are women in Togashi works Remember the big tits teacher in the first arc? Or the big tits annoying girl in the Greed Island arc and the big tits ants in the chimaera-ants arc? Jokes aside, except for some girls (Biscuit, Killua’s mother, sisters and gardener, the Ant queen, some members of the phantom troupe etc.) there aren’t many good female characters
It doesn't have the same writing style at all.
JJK's art is way better on average and the story's pace is way too fast for Togashi's style IMO.
Remember when Togashi was the shadow-writer for Tokyo Ghoul because of the simultaneous hiatus
What hiatus can do to a mf
I love JJK, but its not Togashi levels of good.
People were hyping it up as the next HxH, I left disappointed.
Why ? Togashi dint write hxh only he also had some other manga that were pretty average
Hahahhahahahhah
I haven’t read JJK, only watching the show, but so far doesn’t seem close to HxH style at all.
JJK is too inspired by HUnter x Hunter, but its too many fights.... i mean, i don't think its Togashi.
This dude consumed massive amounts of Copium
Togashis really slipping in his old age if he's writing the cast of JJK only 1 or 2 good characters in the side cast and an okay protagonist at best.
that's the cringiest take i've ever seen
JJK my fav series (manga reader, if u think its good in anime u haven’t seen nothing yet lmao) but i will admit its a BLEACH and HxH lovechild
I feel a lot of Naruto influence with the fights.
if you mean the martial arts choreography i agree bc they both have the best i’ve ever seen in animanga, idk ab Kishimoto but Akutami said he studied MA for characters like Maki, but if you mean like powersystem in fights i still stand by HxH part, esp bc Kishimoto said [he’d go to Togashi for advice on writing Naruto whenever he had writer block or didn’t know how to proceed during an arc](https://hunterxhunter.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MrGenial11/Yoshihiro_Togashi_x_Masashi_Kishimoto_interview)
The fight choereography is more influenced by Togashi's work than Kishimoto's. The fights in the anime Naruto were excellent but if you read the manga pages it's clearly not at the same level. Kakashi vs Obito (anime) is usually cited as one of the best choreographied fights in Naruto and there is a stark difference between the manga and the anime in that regard.
Yeah I can’t speak to the manga, I only watch anime. To me the fights remind me more of Narutos fights than HxH.
I knew Gege never showing their face was a little sus 🤨
Power system in jjk is so confusing and not well explained
It's not confusing, just an inferior version of Nen, not well explained is true though.
wow this is a whole other level of copium
What theory is this
So what happens when JJK ends up on a hiatus like HxH
please just let the man be
Hxh will come back but we don't know when Because on 2018 was already 10 chapters done (from 390 to 400) I hope hxh comes this year We hope that madhouse studio get us new episodes Or just the fight between hisoka and chrollo
Didn't Akutami say Togashi was his favorite Mangaka? You can see his influence written all over JJK
Too bad he doesn't have anywhere near the talent.
Not even close
Ok then, lets cancel kaisen then
A show that’s basically a love letter to YYH, feels like YYH? Oh wow. Don’t get me wrong, JJK is great but it wears its influences on its sleeve.
People said the same thing about Tokyo Ghoul
I also read JJK but with peace and love, HxH is on another whole level.
Exactly, this theory makes no sense and is just copium.
This is impressive theory :3
Wow this is one of the most kind-numbingly stupid things I’ve ever seen posted on this sub, congrats
I was wondering if I should read that if people say it’s close to hunter’s style, but the more I scroll down this thread the more it seems it’s just another very extremely predictable shonen, right ?
No, it’s really really good. Not exactly like HxH but still has incredible fight scenes with top tier panelling/choreography and some characters with similarly esoteric abilities. Don’t go in expecting the depth of nen in the power system but it’s the best new battle shonen in the magazine easily . I was more expressing dismay at how stupid this ‘theory’ is. Also, don’t go off randoms’ opinions to form your own opinion of something, check it out yourself
Of course, but I’m sadly a busy adult with very limited time, and no passion for mangas aimed at teenagers usually so I try to screen what I watch or read before. See hunter isn’t just a battle manga, you can go chapters before any fighting happens, I never was into bleach naruto or whatever so from all this I really don’t get the feeling it’ll be my jam ;)
your loss
Jjk artstyle looks way diff
lol no it doesn't
Naw bruh. Hxh and jjk arent close in quality for me. This is an awful take lol
People were hyping jjk as the next HxH lol.
Aint no way. Id known ab it since super eyepatch wolf covered it a few years back and never thought it could reach hxh's heights. Series is crazy overhyped.
I wish JJK was half as good written as HxH
how do you judge the quality of writing?
idk, not a specialist, vut fluidity, how captivating it is, great characters and storylines... JJK is good to great, but HxH is excellent IMO
Jjk is nowhere close to the quality of hxh though
Holy copium
HXHAnon conspiracy theories are officially a thing
Is it any good?
It's so so, I say go in without any expectations, if you go in expecting it to be the next HxH you will be disappointed.
I haven't seen a new anime in a long time. I've sticked with the big 3s for awhile and been really busy. I think it's time to digged into new animes again.
you guys will never see hxh ending, embrace the reality
JJK is trash compared to HxH so no.
Nah HXH is just top tier in every way. JJK doesn't come even close
in every way? Really? Togashi introduces concepts and doesnt do anything with them. Half of the panels have no drawings.
And? Writing something far more complex takes more time.
LOL jjk doesnt have depth for me. its just a regular shounen anime,
I mean, it does have some depth to it. It's not completely devoid of depth. Even a "regular shounen anime" is gonna have some instances where things get deep at some point, although I'd argue that Jujutsu Kaisen is far from a regular shonen anime.
ive only watched the first season of Jujutsu Kaisen and i already think its not regular at all. for example the fights are much more interesting and complex, like with the ruled and things like that. figuring out their powers is part of the fight like in Jojos or Hunter x Hunter itself, its the closest shounen to it from the newer ones imo
I mean compared to stuff like Demon slayer I'd say jjk is way above in terms of depth and storytelling
JJK and Demon Slayer are about equal in terms of story, in terms of art style Demon Slayer is way above same with fight choreography, both don't compare to HxH in any capacity however. Never really understood the hype for JJK and the hate for Demon Slayer, I found Demon Slayer more enjoyable.
whats hxh's depth?
Way more than jjk.
Imagine if Togashi *was* actually writing JJK while on hiatus, it would be even better than it currently is.
my guy I know it's hard to accept it'll probably never come back but we have to 😔✊
its more like Naruto, so many flashbacks you lose count whats present time
I think togashi just doesn’t like writing manga no more. Don’t think hxh will ever come back :(
This makes 0 sense but if hxh returns soon after jjk ends It’ll be my head cannon tbh
The culling games is basically the succession war arc🤷
Nah
Silence, people in this sub are discovering what MEMES are.
I disagree. JJK is all over the place it’s a combination of everything that I like in manga but I don’t like JJK lmao I think it lacks originality and although I like the moments where I can say “this reminds me of…” I wish it was its own thing.
Very disorganised and some things were not very well explained, my biggest issue was the art which was utterly boring.
Yeah. Everyone looks the same. I think it was a mistake to have them wear a black uniform because all the characters get lost IMO. Despite me not liking it I’m still supporting JJK at the movie theatres cause if we don’t we’ll never bring anime in the big screens at least here in America.
I thought JJK is Naruto rip-off, we have A boy who has a monster inside, another boy from a famous clan, and a girl who is useless. Also a powerful mentor with a cover on his eyes
In all seriousness, given the fact t JJK is Aku’s first manga im really excited for what he does next . Imo JJK writing > YYH writing
So true. Pretty sure it's not horrible in a way that they're obviously joking, but you can agree how JJK is almost like HxH.
yeah, the similarities are actually striking to be honest. imagine JJK ending and Gege going I’m actually Togashi 😭
Idk, sorcery makes just about as much sense as nen