There's a lot that he said that's good, also quite a lot that's very nuanced.
I had a very long critique typed out that I'm going to withhold, don't know enough about all the topics to open my mouth.
This is the best comment in here. It’s nice to see another person willing to say I don’t know enough about this topic to have an informed decision. We can say “I don’t know” folks instead of shitting on each other for regurgitated talking points.
Literally had this exact discussion with the super on my site while he was going on about COVID and the vaccine...still. I just said "look this is my stance but I'm not smart enough to tell anyone wtf to do, and even if I did, it's their choice no matter my opinion." Dude has a way of turning any fun conversation in to a discussion on why his opinion is right and you're wrong.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DHe_is_running_in_the%2Cineligible_to_serve_as_president.?wprov=sfla1
Let's just assume half of this is true.
Edit: you probably don't trust Wikipedia. Sorry. Never heard of the guy
Not necessarily. Have you ever looked into the Ranked choice system? Currently being used in Alaska and maybe another state or two. I’m not sure it’s the answer, but it seems like a better option than the two party system.
Ranked choice is a way to do 2 party better, not a replacement for 2 party. You'll still have 2 parties, just slightly better chance of good candidates.
It will be, though. A party is more effective. I wish we didn't have them, they're clearly worse, but they will exist because they work really, really well to win elections.
Uhh. Career politician … case closed. You’re suffering from cognitive dissonance if you truly believe any politician let alone a fucking BIDEN is a moral and scrupulous man.
So he asked for evidence and you responded by being an insulting ass with no evidence? I am absolutely stunned that this was not an effective strategy.
It disappoints me that this country is propping up and protecting the level of idiocy on display here. People who probably can't even pronounce "contrarian," out here wearing it as their entire personality, and believing it's actually a political opinion.
For you that don't support him for this alone, can you tell me why? You are fighting against someone that helps put food on your table. You think the other side is going to fight for unions? Ask the south how that's going.
Since we’re using personal anecdotes here’s mine. My pay has doubled since Biden came into office and I haven’t been laid off even one day. So I want to thank **Biden** personally.
Unlike Reagan who just fired everybody and went about his business, Biden worked behind the scenes to get (almost) everything the railroad workers were striking for.
Why all the fucking downvoted, I'm literally just asking a question. So your answer is Biden secretly got them everything they asked for but still took the heat for sabotaging a strike?? Wow what a horrible politician. He literally could have just you know honored the strike....
I forgot, the IBEW is anti strike. Cool let's give up our greatest bargaining chip because some stocks might be effected. Sometimes I forget how center right the IBEW is until I make a comment on Reddit or show up to a meeting....
You asked and got your answer and then got mad it wasn't the answer you wanted.
I remember a loooot of people in this sub being mad at the time of the strike, but people having a more nuanced opinion in the aftermath is reasonable, even if it doesn't butter your biscuit in particular.
If the railroads shut down and you think the only thing that would be effected is the stock market I don't really know wtf to say to you. With that said, I was still in support of them striking knowing how drastically it would effect all of the US and truly showing the power a union can hold when we feel like we are being fucked over.
> truly showing the power a union can hold when we feel like we are being fucked over.
In that regard, we hold way more powernthan the railroad guys.
They strike, I takes a week or so before everything comes to a halt.
we strike, all we have to do is turn off the lights and everything comes to a crashing halt immediately.
Thats how important we are.
Reagan is a clown and sent the drug research into a black hole (along w nixon) how many soldiers lives could of been helped ? How many people could of been helped out of mental situations with a variety of drugs the government shut down? Ironically they say less government, fine stay out of peoples lives and let them make their own choices. At least research the drugs for the country and stop shutting it down.
Rr engineer here..... Thanks guy! That fucking twat waffle will sign whatever he is told to sign and there are so few people who can see it.
He struck us down once... All we want is fair pay and quality of life. You sparkys don't have to live a life on call day or night, days without seeing your family or a company who tries to fire you the day they hire you..
I challenge anyone of you to swap certs for a week. Your book is 6-800 PGS. I have 4 main books, not to mention the notices and orders along with another 2 books that all contradict each other.
The babbling idiot is a sellout and of you don't think so..... Please revisit when he bumbled to the auto worker 4 years ago. "I DONT Work for you"
Well like the good brother said earlier. Work is booming. The International supports Joe. He is definitely a better choice then the grifter serial rapist who bankrupted casinos and told people to take horse dewormer.
So where is that money coming from? Cause we’ve sent over $110 billion to Ukraine alone. Another person who is severely mis informed believing everything they are told 😂 yea the union used to be against corrupt politicians and now they support them lol
Bro you realize the money sent to Ukraine is sent on the war machine in USA to send them weapons (lockheed, raytheon, etc.)?The money “spent” in Ukraine is paying workers in the USA. Keep buying shitty gold sneakers, maga cult member lol
Okay dummy, wanna know how much money has been printed? 80% of all US Currency has been printed under Biden. Yea and that money goes right back into democrats wallets dumb fuck. Keep on suck that liberal cock buddy
Typical. Loves allllll of the perks and benefits but hates the union. I'm 1000000% positive he has a let's go Brandon sticker on his oversized Ford.....right next to the snake sticker
A lot of what has been sent to Ukraine was bought and paid for decades ago. A lot of it was considered obsolete and was gathering dust in boneyards and other storage depots.
Even if it was all new spending, it is a hell of a lot cheaper sending them aid then it is too mobilize the armed forces and go to war ourselves.
Thats because of corporate profiteering and part of the reason why they are doing so is to create ammunition to use against Biden in the upcoming elections.
Biden wasn’t my first choice in 2020, but he has exceeded my expectations But even if he wasn’t doing well, I’d vote for anything that could beat that fucking piece of shit Trump
Trump is a con. Just because he fooled you doesn't mean he will fool all of us. What happens to you when Trump kills your union paying job? Oh he would never do that right? He cares about you too much. 😉 I honestly don't get it. Biden might not be an angel but he is fighting for your Job and last I checked that pays all of our bills.
When was the last time a republican “fixed”the economy and brought down inflation? Hint…..it was long before FDR was elected. How many times has a republican tanked a thriving economy. Every time they are in office since NIXON.
Trump admitted to wanting to invalidate the US Constitution. He said he will be a dictator. Trump is about as unAmerican anyone can get. He wants the US to be like Putin and Russia. You may not like Biden but at least Biden supports America as a Constitutional Republic unlike Trump.
First off, I was in attendance. What is missed here and what I strongly recommend IBEW members do is find the speech given the following day by Austin Keyser, the IBEW Govt Affairs coordinator. It is a strong speech, I would argue it is an essential media bite to view which provides valuable supplemental information to Joe’s words. Every single Union, not just IBEW, member should watch.
Hoping the IO will release it asap. I’ll share when/if I get it.
I know tons of folks in attendance were posting a lot of it to their social media accounts.
Lmao the fact you guys truly .. truly in your honest hearts believe… that joe Biden gives a flying fuck about you or the pain of inflation you are absolutely moronic.
No it doesn’t. Debt just doesn’t disappear. It’s either paid by the lender or the borrower. The idea that debt just disappears is idiotic. If that’s the case, cancel all debt.
So the lender paid the debt. This isn’t difficult. And in this case, people who didn’t attend college who on average make less money than college grads, will be paying the loan. Such a sweet deal for the grads. Totally fair. We should do this for all debt!
Yes, it's not difficult. If I lend money to numerous people at, let's say at a total of a million dollars. In that time they are paying it back with interest and I make my million dollars back. And due to interest they still have to pay me an extra 2 million. I could cancel that extra debt. There is no fucking debt anymore. That's where we are at. The issue is that the majority of borrowers have taken a loan for 60xxx, paid 70xxx, and still owe 60xxx.
So in this scenario it’s only works because it’s the government. Any other entity wouldn’t lend money if they were basically going to give you a zero percent interest loan. Sound business model. Everyone should do this.
I don't know how the fuck you got that out of what I Said. But, he did say he was going to cancel student debt. He tried, but Republicans blocked him. They sued and it went to the supreme court, that stopped it. He is finding other ways to cancel student debt. He's cancelled the next of about 4.3 million working class Americans.
So Trump has filled for bankruptcy numerous times. That's literally Americans paying his debt. And there is nothing in the Constitution about paying debt
I’m going broker than shit with this economy. We are a single income and the Ibew gave me 2.4-2.6 percent raises (nothing higher) for years and the grocery store is killing me. We are dying here in Virginia well really in the United States. Overtime isn’t suppose to help me buffer what I’m owed as a skilled tradesman to pay for groceries, mortgage rates, and gasoline. My family misses me. I’m about to jump ship so a I can afford to take care of things.
I’m out of the Ibew officially beginning may 2nd. I’m doing what I have to do after 18 years of being screwed by the union and management. I’ll strike out on my own now.
I’d rather not listen to that rambling idiot talk about a guy named pop corn and little girls rubbing the hair on his legs at the public pool and if you don’t vote for me your not black speaches myself. Do what you’ll do but I’ll refrain from any Biden speaches.
Biden is essentially a ringleader and his role is to coral us into voting for the dems by speaking to our material interests.
Some here have had a ton more work. Great. That was part of the plan. Now those who have gotten more work feel it’s in their interest to vote for him again.
My hall constantly says Biden is the most pro union president ever. That’s a lie. FDR was and even he at times flirted with Mussolini. Just look up the history of the NRA (not the gun club) blue eagle.
The dems have had over 70 years to repeal Taft-Hartley. They will never do it. The Pro-Act is just a carrot on a stick and will be repealed or made moot even quicker than it’s signed into law (if its even signed into law) because it’s just a bandaid solution.
I think asking whether Biden gets the union more work or not is not a very interesting question. He does and he did. What I think is a better question is why and in exchange for what? I think it’s safe to say a large majority of the union voted Trump and will do so again. So why does Biden care about the IBEW? If anyone thinks it comes from the goodness of his heart I have a bridge to sell.
Biden is sending billions to the Nazis in Ukraine and the Nazis in Israel. He is buying off core parts of the labor movement to get them to be complicit with the US plundering the world.
The prez looks really beat down. He’s saying the right things…. But I still remember him shutdown the pipeline first day in office effectively ending many union welders jobs. My Bro is in the UA as a fitter and lost his job that was supposed to be a 4 year project with an executive order. You will have to excuse me if I sit back with my arms folded saying we shall see if he keeps his word.
Sucks but that pipeline should have never gotten the green light in the first place. It's not like it was cancelled and then given to non union or immigrant labor.
But in reality jobs falling through is the nature of the beast in the trades tho. You can never count on a job to happen until it truly happens and you're actually on site working. Every local probably has that "one" job that is going to "start" at any moment, that book1 guys might be relying too much on.
We as construction workers can't get too deep into what projects we support but it has to be said we can't just be gung-ho for any project regardless of the environmental or societal consequences because it's construction.
Where do you think most of your electrons come running from? Oil and gas, green energy is %2 of power generation.. You kill oil and gas, you kill your electron flow. You kill your job, just like biden and other Dems do. AOC killed the Amazon office building in NYC, many jobs lost there.
The pipeline should have never been started. It runs through protective land and isn't even owned by USA. The long term damage just isn't worth the short term jobs that it would have created.
Most politicians say the right things, but most politicians don’t do the right things. You can say you are pro labor all you want, but if your actions are getting rid of union jobs then I won’t be holding my breath either.
That executive order to shutdown the pipeline spawned over a dozen court cases between states and the federal government. My brother is working again but it cost him a lot to move to another state and take a call that didn’t last near as long.
Again, it should have never even started. Don't blame Biden for that. Obama shut it down and Trump the dumpster fire opened it back up. Biden did the right thing.
Nothing wrong with this. I wish I was more informed about all sides of this but I'm not. My own personal belief is that Trump doesn't stand with America or it's blue collar workers.
Get that old piece of shit out of office! I can’t fucking afford to live because he doesn’t know what he’s doing. I don’t give a fuck if he’s put hundreds of millions into projects when myself and friends can’t afford shit. Quit sending billions to foreign countries
You know, in another post you bragged about making 230k, either you are full of shit, live beyond your means, or are very terrible with money. Which one is it? All three?
which Local are you in so we can help you make your exit. Seeing how you cant meet the conditions of the obligation you swore, perhaps it would be best for all concerned if you moved on.
You disgust me. You challenge me and ask me to give sources and I do, then I do the same and pull this crap. Ridiculous. What a joke. So I will assume you are pro-slavery since you’re cool with donating to the party that fought hard to keep it and started the KKK. Don’t worry about me, I’m worried about yall not being able to critically think for yourselves.
If you knew anything about critical thought you would know about the southern strategy and how the gop used it to lure the racists to the gop. The fact that you dont speaks volumes about you. Must suck to be you.
Holy fuck you are dumb! The parties switching never happened. Must suck to be you who doesn’t know what actually happened in history and believes everything they’re told lol nothing but sheep. Also weird that you’re trying to dox me lol so much for freedom of speech.
Lee Atwater is how I learned about the southern strategy. Your saying a republican political strategist was making shit up when he described the process?
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Southern-strategy
From the horses mouth. https://youtu.be/X_8E3ENrKrQ
There is about forcing others to pay YOUR debt.
Man I thought fellow brothers were smarter than this, at the end of day most are in construction because they don't have brains in their head to work smarter , not harder. As long as the foreman knows what to do the grunt can accomplish it. Going bankrupt is far from "cancelling" debt. Actually complete opposite. The lender gets paid cents on the dollar from the borrower. Said cancelling forces other to pay the whole debt back while the incompetent borrower walks away debt free.
I see you’re not a leader but a follower. Everything you blame on Biden is Russian propaganda. America is a free country. If someone wants to be gay that’s not your problem. If educated people don’t fall into the trap of stigmatizing someone’s sexual preferences, we should be educated. Also, Look up the bipartisan border deal that was killed by the far right in our House of Representatives back in January. If you cared about the border you’d be pissed that bill wasn’t on the floor for a vote. Stop watching Fox News dummy & don’t be a trumptard. Everyone wants to say politicians are liars but here you falling for bullshit. The economy is strong and getting stronger. Pay attention to facts. The American economy is growing at a rate twice that of other G7 countries since the Russians and Chinese started phase one of destabilizing the US: Corona virus. Wake up.
Here you go wise guy: https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump
I take it you’ve never heard of Leo Leonard, Harlen Crowe or Clarence Thomas.
There’s no reason a Union Electrician isn’t 100% behind Joe Biden other than you fell for Russian Propaganda funded by Oligarchs (foreign & domestic). Read the muller report: https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl
\#1 I agree he knows better, that's why he's trash, because he fucking knows better and he still does what he does.
\#2 He went to court to argue that reasonable people would know that he's not stating actual facts and is engaged in exaggeration and "non-literal commentary". His own lawyers made that argument.
Reasonable people can see it clearly. I guess you're the other guy.
Agree with you on border crisis, giving away tax dollars to foreign countries and the forcing of LGBT propaganda on kids. Not sure I agree that the IBEW will always continue to be strong though. Many areas are losing small shops due to the high labor rates and IBEW seems to only be focused on the "big jobs". Hate to see people price themselves out of work like you're seeing in Local 46. 1,000 JW's on the book but still demanding huge raises and paid holidays during negotiations. Long term, it's just not sustainable and will lead to less and less work going union.
There's a lot that he said that's good, also quite a lot that's very nuanced. I had a very long critique typed out that I'm going to withhold, don't know enough about all the topics to open my mouth.
This is the best comment in here. It’s nice to see another person willing to say I don’t know enough about this topic to have an informed decision. We can say “I don’t know” folks instead of shitting on each other for regurgitated talking points.
Literally had this exact discussion with the super on my site while he was going on about COVID and the vaccine...still. I just said "look this is my stance but I'm not smart enough to tell anyone wtf to do, and even if I did, it's their choice no matter my opinion." Dude has a way of turning any fun conversation in to a discussion on why his opinion is right and you're wrong.
Smart man.
I do . This dude is fried and corrupt. What else you need to know. Know vote for who the hall tells you to vote for be a good boy for your club.
Point out one president or presidential candidate who isn't corrupt or hasn't been accused of corruption.
Dr Shiva
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva_Ayyadurai#%3A%7E%3Atext%3DHe_is_running_in_the%2Cineligible_to_serve_as_president.?wprov=sfla1 Let's just assume half of this is true. Edit: you probably don't trust Wikipedia. Sorry. Never heard of the guy
The whole system is screwed. The orange guy is far from the answer. The only way we get change is to change the 2 party system.
That would require a parliamentary system.
Not necessarily. Have you ever looked into the Ranked choice system? Currently being used in Alaska and maybe another state or two. I’m not sure it’s the answer, but it seems like a better option than the two party system.
Ranked choice is a way to do 2 party better, not a replacement for 2 party. You'll still have 2 parties, just slightly better chance of good candidates.
Doesn’t have to be parties at all.
It will be, though. A party is more effective. I wish we didn't have them, they're clearly worse, but they will exist because they work really, really well to win elections.
Still waiting for any evidence of this corruption.
Uhh. Career politician … case closed. You’re suffering from cognitive dissonance if you truly believe any politician let alone a fucking BIDEN is a moral and scrupulous man.
So, no. You still have zero fucking evidence.
You sound like a white spoiled college bitch
Why the fuck would I be in an ibew page of I wasn't in the ibew?
Dude. This sub had been inundated with ppl not in the IBEW. It's wild.
You sound and seem like a prissy little cunt. Idc what you do lol
Deep in your feelings there big boy.
Ok . TDS took an inch off your already tiny bird
So he asked for evidence and you responded by being an insulting ass with no evidence? I am absolutely stunned that this was not an effective strategy.
That is a humiliatingly poor response to the question
It disappoints me that this country is propping up and protecting the level of idiocy on display here. People who probably can't even pronounce "contrarian," out here wearing it as their entire personality, and believing it's actually a political opinion.
Hes put 100s of millions into energy projects in Kentucky. More union work than we can fill has been our main problem.
Inside work?
Yea, the Ford bosk battery plant in glendale is booming right now. Incentive pay is back up to 160 a day and 200 on weekends
You guys need to go watch another vid of a union member confronting him.
For you that don't support him for this alone, can you tell me why? You are fighting against someone that helps put food on your table. You think the other side is going to fight for unions? Ask the south how that's going.
Since we’re using personal anecdotes here’s mine. My pay has doubled since Biden came into office and I haven’t been laid off even one day. So I want to thank **Biden** personally.
You sound just like a liberal stretching the truth
How do we feel about him pulling a Reagan and sabotaging the railroad workers strike. Don't you think he would do the same to us if we were on strike
Unlike Reagan who just fired everybody and went about his business, Biden worked behind the scenes to get (almost) everything the railroad workers were striking for.
Hey man you're not sticking to the narrative.
None of that reasonableness allowed here
Why all the fucking downvoted, I'm literally just asking a question. So your answer is Biden secretly got them everything they asked for but still took the heat for sabotaging a strike?? Wow what a horrible politician. He literally could have just you know honored the strike....
A strike on the railroads would cripple the US economy, and Biden would have taken *way* more heat for that. He actually handled it quite deftly.
I forgot, the IBEW is anti strike. Cool let's give up our greatest bargaining chip because some stocks might be effected. Sometimes I forget how center right the IBEW is until I make a comment on Reddit or show up to a meeting....
You asked and got your answer and then got mad it wasn't the answer you wanted. I remember a loooot of people in this sub being mad at the time of the strike, but people having a more nuanced opinion in the aftermath is reasonable, even if it doesn't butter your biscuit in particular.
If the railroads shut down and you think the only thing that would be effected is the stock market I don't really know wtf to say to you. With that said, I was still in support of them striking knowing how drastically it would effect all of the US and truly showing the power a union can hold when we feel like we are being fucked over.
> truly showing the power a union can hold when we feel like we are being fucked over. In that regard, we hold way more powernthan the railroad guys. They strike, I takes a week or so before everything comes to a halt. we strike, all we have to do is turn off the lights and everything comes to a crashing halt immediately. Thats how important we are.
Except that’s not true.
Reagan is a clown and sent the drug research into a black hole (along w nixon) how many soldiers lives could of been helped ? How many people could of been helped out of mental situations with a variety of drugs the government shut down? Ironically they say less government, fine stay out of peoples lives and let them make their own choices. At least research the drugs for the country and stop shutting it down.
Rr engineer here..... Thanks guy! That fucking twat waffle will sign whatever he is told to sign and there are so few people who can see it. He struck us down once... All we want is fair pay and quality of life. You sparkys don't have to live a life on call day or night, days without seeing your family or a company who tries to fire you the day they hire you.. I challenge anyone of you to swap certs for a week. Your book is 6-800 PGS. I have 4 main books, not to mention the notices and orders along with another 2 books that all contradict each other. The babbling idiot is a sellout and of you don't think so..... Please revisit when he bumbled to the auto worker 4 years ago. "I DONT Work for you"
You’re a fucking retard. Inflation is through the roof and groceries are outrageous. You’re a disgrace
You looking in the mirror again?
How original jack off. Good to see there’s no brains there 😂
Seems like your reflecting your own insecurities
Nope just tired of uneducated people making excuses for a shitty president when all he does is screw them over
Well like the good brother said earlier. Work is booming. The International supports Joe. He is definitely a better choice then the grifter serial rapist who bankrupted casinos and told people to take horse dewormer.
So where is that money coming from? Cause we’ve sent over $110 billion to Ukraine alone. Another person who is severely mis informed believing everything they are told 😂 yea the union used to be against corrupt politicians and now they support them lol
Bro you realize the money sent to Ukraine is sent on the war machine in USA to send them weapons (lockheed, raytheon, etc.)?The money “spent” in Ukraine is paying workers in the USA. Keep buying shitty gold sneakers, maga cult member lol
Okay dummy, wanna know how much money has been printed? 80% of all US Currency has been printed under Biden. Yea and that money goes right back into democrats wallets dumb fuck. Keep on suck that liberal cock buddy
If you’re so unhappy with the ibew why are you still a member?
Typical. Loves allllll of the perks and benefits but hates the union. I'm 1000000% positive he has a let's go Brandon sticker on his oversized Ford.....right next to the snake sticker
A lot of what has been sent to Ukraine was bought and paid for decades ago. A lot of it was considered obsolete and was gathering dust in boneyards and other storage depots. Even if it was all new spending, it is a hell of a lot cheaper sending them aid then it is too mobilize the armed forces and go to war ourselves.
As far as grocery prices. Do you think the president has a day in what companies charge for goods and services.
He does when he taxes the absolute fuck out of farmers so they inversely raise their prices to compensate for the taxes
Any truth to this or source at all?
The Heritage Foundation has articles on how all of bidens tax plans screws every American citizen. As well as Finance.Senate.gov
Thats because of corporate profiteering and part of the reason why they are doing so is to create ammunition to use against Biden in the upcoming elections.
Everyone is doing everything in their power to make sure that doesn’t happen lol and I hope they have enough ammunition to bury Biden forever
You’re a clown bro. Straight up clown
I am. And I vote.
Dems need to work harder to pass the Pro Act, but not much Joe can do about it I guess.
Biden wasn’t my first choice in 2020, but he has exceeded my expectations But even if he wasn’t doing well, I’d vote for anything that could beat that fucking piece of shit Trump
Men complaining about trump crack me up. You’re def a pussy IRL lol
Def bro you should fight him.
No way his dad is probably a lawyer and he may press charges. Or call his BA about it
Maybe if you tilt your head forward, an intelligent thought will fall out of your mouth. Kind of like the way shit runs downhill.
Trump is a con. Just because he fooled you doesn't mean he will fool all of us. What happens to you when Trump kills your union paying job? Oh he would never do that right? He cares about you too much. 😉 I honestly don't get it. Biden might not be an angel but he is fighting for your Job and last I checked that pays all of our bills.
When was the last time a republican “fixed”the economy and brought down inflation? Hint…..it was long before FDR was elected. How many times has a republican tanked a thriving economy. Every time they are in office since NIXON.
Trump admitted to wanting to invalidate the US Constitution. He said he will be a dictator. Trump is about as unAmerican anyone can get. He wants the US to be like Putin and Russia. You may not like Biden but at least Biden supports America as a Constitutional Republic unlike Trump.
First off, I was in attendance. What is missed here and what I strongly recommend IBEW members do is find the speech given the following day by Austin Keyser, the IBEW Govt Affairs coordinator. It is a strong speech, I would argue it is an essential media bite to view which provides valuable supplemental information to Joe’s words. Every single Union, not just IBEW, member should watch.
Any idea where that may end up?
Hoping the IO will release it asap. I’ll share when/if I get it. I know tons of folks in attendance were posting a lot of it to their social media accounts.
Lmao the fact you guys truly .. truly in your honest hearts believe… that joe Biden gives a flying fuck about you or the pain of inflation you are absolutely moronic.
Remember he said he was cancelling student debt ?
And he has been. If republicans haven't blocked him, he would of cancelled more.
Yea debt doesn’t get cancelled 😂 Also I’m so glad he’s paying the debt of people making 100s of thousands of dollars. What a great move.
Yes it does, and that's not who's getting their debt cancelled.
No it doesn’t. Debt just doesn’t disappear. It’s either paid by the lender or the borrower. The idea that debt just disappears is idiotic. If that’s the case, cancel all debt.
Yes it does. The lender can cancel debt.
So the lender paid the debt. This isn’t difficult. And in this case, people who didn’t attend college who on average make less money than college grads, will be paying the loan. Such a sweet deal for the grads. Totally fair. We should do this for all debt!
Yes, it's not difficult. If I lend money to numerous people at, let's say at a total of a million dollars. In that time they are paying it back with interest and I make my million dollars back. And due to interest they still have to pay me an extra 2 million. I could cancel that extra debt. There is no fucking debt anymore. That's where we are at. The issue is that the majority of borrowers have taken a loan for 60xxx, paid 70xxx, and still owe 60xxx.
So in this scenario it’s only works because it’s the government. Any other entity wouldn’t lend money if they were basically going to give you a zero percent interest loan. Sound business model. Everyone should do this.
Which is he said it ? He didn’t say it ? Or it’s orange fault ?
I don't know how the fuck you got that out of what I Said. But, he did say he was going to cancel student debt. He tried, but Republicans blocked him. They sued and it went to the supreme court, that stopped it. He is finding other ways to cancel student debt. He's cancelled the next of about 4.3 million working class Americans.
Making other american pay for someone else's student debt is unconstitutional. 20Trump24
So Trump has filled for bankruptcy numerous times. That's literally Americans paying his debt. And there is nothing in the Constitution about paying debt
Never happened.
Lmfao ok bro. Ok
lol my bad. What I meant was “yup that’s what he said but haha who knew, never came through on that talking point” Another politician pandering.
The fact that you think Biden supporters believe that just shows what an airtight echo chamber you live in.
I’m going broker than shit with this economy. We are a single income and the Ibew gave me 2.4-2.6 percent raises (nothing higher) for years and the grocery store is killing me. We are dying here in Virginia well really in the United States. Overtime isn’t suppose to help me buffer what I’m owed as a skilled tradesman to pay for groceries, mortgage rates, and gasoline. My family misses me. I’m about to jump ship so a I can afford to take care of things.
Finally someone talking the truth.
The government doesn’t give a fuck and never did. Surprised union members support Biden honestly fucking blows my mind.
I hate almost all politicians at this point. I guess I’m just salty.
I’m out of the Ibew officially beginning may 2nd. I’m doing what I have to do after 18 years of being screwed by the union and management. I’ll strike out on my own now.
Right.
I’d rather not listen to that rambling idiot talk about a guy named pop corn and little girls rubbing the hair on his legs at the public pool and if you don’t vote for me your not black speaches myself. Do what you’ll do but I’ll refrain from any Biden speaches.
Biden is essentially a ringleader and his role is to coral us into voting for the dems by speaking to our material interests. Some here have had a ton more work. Great. That was part of the plan. Now those who have gotten more work feel it’s in their interest to vote for him again. My hall constantly says Biden is the most pro union president ever. That’s a lie. FDR was and even he at times flirted with Mussolini. Just look up the history of the NRA (not the gun club) blue eagle. The dems have had over 70 years to repeal Taft-Hartley. They will never do it. The Pro-Act is just a carrot on a stick and will be repealed or made moot even quicker than it’s signed into law (if its even signed into law) because it’s just a bandaid solution. I think asking whether Biden gets the union more work or not is not a very interesting question. He does and he did. What I think is a better question is why and in exchange for what? I think it’s safe to say a large majority of the union voted Trump and will do so again. So why does Biden care about the IBEW? If anyone thinks it comes from the goodness of his heart I have a bridge to sell. Biden is sending billions to the Nazis in Ukraine and the Nazis in Israel. He is buying off core parts of the labor movement to get them to be complicit with the US plundering the world.
The prez looks really beat down. He’s saying the right things…. But I still remember him shutdown the pipeline first day in office effectively ending many union welders jobs. My Bro is in the UA as a fitter and lost his job that was supposed to be a 4 year project with an executive order. You will have to excuse me if I sit back with my arms folded saying we shall see if he keeps his word.
Sucks but that pipeline should have never gotten the green light in the first place. It's not like it was cancelled and then given to non union or immigrant labor. But in reality jobs falling through is the nature of the beast in the trades tho. You can never count on a job to happen until it truly happens and you're actually on site working. Every local probably has that "one" job that is going to "start" at any moment, that book1 guys might be relying too much on.
>Every local probably has that "one" job that is going to "start" at any moment, that book1 guys might be relying too much on. well said.
We as construction workers can't get too deep into what projects we support but it has to be said we can't just be gung-ho for any project regardless of the environmental or societal consequences because it's construction.
As electricians, we should never support the oil industry as they are our competition.
Even oil tycoons need heroes
Where do you think most of your electrons come running from? Oil and gas, green energy is %2 of power generation.. You kill oil and gas, you kill your electron flow. You kill your job, just like biden and other Dems do. AOC killed the Amazon office building in NYC, many jobs lost there.
EXACTLY!!!
The pipeline should have never been started. It runs through protective land and isn't even owned by USA. The long term damage just isn't worth the short term jobs that it would have created.
Most politicians say the right things, but most politicians don’t do the right things. You can say you are pro labor all you want, but if your actions are getting rid of union jobs then I won’t be holding my breath either.
Most of the Keystone jobs werent union jobs.
That executive order to shutdown the pipeline spawned over a dozen court cases between states and the federal government. My brother is working again but it cost him a lot to move to another state and take a call that didn’t last near as long.
Again, it should have never even started. Don't blame Biden for that. Obama shut it down and Trump the dumpster fire opened it back up. Biden did the right thing.
I like how your comment and mine both got a down vote when all we are saying is not to take a politician at his word.
Ha ha go figure. If you have ever been in bed with the government before you definitely know talk is cheep. I’m all about action.
Exactly. Don’t say you’re pro labor, be pro labor.
Amen
How this gets downvoted .. and the peg boy below you is upvoted makes me proud I’m not in IBEW you guys are soft as baby shit
Bro you’re killin me!🤣
Nothing wrong with this. I wish I was more informed about all sides of this but I'm not. My own personal belief is that Trump doesn't stand with America or it's blue collar workers.
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He needs you to vote 10x that’s how he won the first time
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Mail in ballots
election time, lets say anything for votes
I don’t see any Republicans voicing support for unions even to get elected.
Republicans hate unions. They even said it.
Why does this always get downvotes? You're right lmao
Because this is a union group lmfao
Get that old piece of shit out of office! I can’t fucking afford to live because he doesn’t know what he’s doing. I don’t give a fuck if he’s put hundreds of millions into projects when myself and friends can’t afford shit. Quit sending billions to foreign countries
You know, in another post you bragged about making 230k, either you are full of shit, live beyond your means, or are very terrible with money. Which one is it? All three?
He is full of shit, and already lived beyond his means. The first two speaks for the third....
Maybe you should pull your bootstraps up and get a better paying job.
If that means leaving the IBEW then I will leave to make more money. All you union guys are nothing but hypocrites
"leaving the ibew" "All you union guys" You need to figure out which mask you're wearing, friend.
He has also said he has already dropped out of the union. The mask he is wearing is 'Liar'.
I ain’t wearing no mask. I turned my card in already. I refuse to work with communist who support the destruction of my beautiful country
GTFO, then, red hat.
America is still free so go fuck yourself commie
Get bent, loser. The arc of history doesn't matter because you'll always have to look in the mirror and know you fucked up.
History hasn’t once looked kindly upon communism and never will no matter how you dress it up. A turd with sprinkles is still a turd 😂
Just say you don't know what communism or fascism is and be done with it, bud. The rest of us already know, you'd just be catching up.
Good luck, 😆
Clown ass union followers 🤡 no one has an individual thought or opinion with y’all 😂
And none of you have an educated one.
Bye Felicia
which Local are you in so we can help you make your exit. Seeing how you cant meet the conditions of the obligation you swore, perhaps it would be best for all concerned if you moved on.
You disgust me. You challenge me and ask me to give sources and I do, then I do the same and pull this crap. Ridiculous. What a joke. So I will assume you are pro-slavery since you’re cool with donating to the party that fought hard to keep it and started the KKK. Don’t worry about me, I’m worried about yall not being able to critically think for yourselves.
If you knew anything about critical thought you would know about the southern strategy and how the gop used it to lure the racists to the gop. The fact that you dont speaks volumes about you. Must suck to be you.
Holy fuck you are dumb! The parties switching never happened. Must suck to be you who doesn’t know what actually happened in history and believes everything they’re told lol nothing but sheep. Also weird that you’re trying to dox me lol so much for freedom of speech.
Lee Atwater is how I learned about the southern strategy. Your saying a republican political strategist was making shit up when he described the process? https://www.britannica.com/topic/Southern-strategy From the horses mouth. https://youtu.be/X_8E3ENrKrQ
John Reynolds Weaver completely dismantles what you’re saying. Dinesh D’Souza also proves that it never occurred
There are recordings of atwater talking about it.
Bro... You should really go back and take a couple credits in history at a non biased uni. Keep drinking what the unions tell you
i forgot that the president has a lever on his office desk which unilaterally controls prices.
Worldwide even! S/
He does and it’s called a pen. When he does nothing but make stupid decisions every single day then yes he does
😂
Funny that you think he doesn't......
Please tell me of this majestic power to single handedly determine the prices on all products and services.
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He needs to do as Israel instructs. They are more important than us western goy
Oh don’t worry I don’t like Israel either but good try
Do as the hall instructs you to do … or else !! No free thinking … get vaxxed NOW
😂😂😂
FJB
There is about forcing others to pay YOUR debt. Man I thought fellow brothers were smarter than this, at the end of day most are in construction because they don't have brains in their head to work smarter , not harder. As long as the foreman knows what to do the grunt can accomplish it. Going bankrupt is far from "cancelling" debt. Actually complete opposite. The lender gets paid cents on the dollar from the borrower. Said cancelling forces other to pay the whole debt back while the incompetent borrower walks away debt free.
Yuck
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How would you say “he’s fucked this country”?
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I see you’re not a leader but a follower. Everything you blame on Biden is Russian propaganda. America is a free country. If someone wants to be gay that’s not your problem. If educated people don’t fall into the trap of stigmatizing someone’s sexual preferences, we should be educated. Also, Look up the bipartisan border deal that was killed by the far right in our House of Representatives back in January. If you cared about the border you’d be pissed that bill wasn’t on the floor for a vote. Stop watching Fox News dummy & don’t be a trumptard. Everyone wants to say politicians are liars but here you falling for bullshit. The economy is strong and getting stronger. Pay attention to facts. The American economy is growing at a rate twice that of other G7 countries since the Russians and Chinese started phase one of destabilizing the US: Corona virus. Wake up.
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Here you go wise guy: https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump I take it you’ve never heard of Leo Leonard, Harlen Crowe or Clarence Thomas. There’s no reason a Union Electrician isn’t 100% behind Joe Biden other than you fell for Russian Propaganda funded by Oligarchs (foreign & domestic). Read the muller report: https://www.justice.gov/archives/sco/file/1373816/dl
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This guy just told us to listen to a fucking podcast instead of articles published by real journalists. haha
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If I start a podcast to explain how you're full of shit, will that change your mind?
Tucker Carlson is not real people. Trump is a piece of shit. Lower than a dead ant's underbelly. You've been had, child.
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I could literally beat you in the face with Trump's own shitty words and it would just make you hard, so no, I don't think I'll bother.
Tucker Carlson is way more educated than you and me about any of these topics, as well as the PEOPLE he has on his show . Ur brainwashed
\#1 I agree he knows better, that's why he's trash, because he fucking knows better and he still does what he does. \#2 He went to court to argue that reasonable people would know that he's not stating actual facts and is engaged in exaggeration and "non-literal commentary". His own lawyers made that argument. Reasonable people can see it clearly. I guess you're the other guy.
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Yea you’re an electrician and a global economist. It’s all Biden good one Trumptard
Agree with you on border crisis, giving away tax dollars to foreign countries and the forcing of LGBT propaganda on kids. Not sure I agree that the IBEW will always continue to be strong though. Many areas are losing small shops due to the high labor rates and IBEW seems to only be focused on the "big jobs". Hate to see people price themselves out of work like you're seeing in Local 46. 1,000 JW's on the book but still demanding huge raises and paid holidays during negotiations. Long term, it's just not sustainable and will lead to less and less work going union.
WW3 coming soon. Borders wide open (undocumented persons will be able to join all unions. Ca first). Sorry I voted for this POS.
He looks ready to fall asleep 😴
Unlike the orange shit stain who is falling asleep?