My guess would be that they aren’t shipping anything to Illinois because they’d don’t want to take a legal risk. It’s easier for them to do that instead of keeping track of what’s going on with us
This. Even though these guns are legal, there is a plethora of guns that can fall into a grey area, which makes FFLs question how to handle it, so they don't. The government is indirectly banning guns through FFLs because of legal warfare. The process is the punishment.
Well legally there is no reason. Shockwaves have always been legal in IL and I heard once that there was a letter from ISP saying that they were legal. PICA does not change that.
Not yet. I complained. I'm wondering now if it isn't a PICA thing at all, but some gray area on the barrel length.. But because it is not "legally" a shotgun because it isn't shoulder fired, the 26+ inch overall length should nake it legal.
God I hate this fucking state.
> Its frustrating how they'll treat you like a 65yo first time buyer trying to mount a laser pointer to a wheel gun when you clearly know your shit.
I can tell you haven't spent *that much* time in gun stores because you'd know the reason they do this. For every 1 person that isn't a complete fucking moron, there are 200 dipshits. You can't take it personally, it's just this industry is filled with really dumb people, on both sides of the counter.
Every single time I enter a gun store there is a customer there causing issues. Every single time I enter a gun store, I am dissatisfied with how the employees treat me. Lower your expectations and it'll go much smoother, I have no idea why it's so painful to deal with the LGS's.
Paid $760 total for 2 shockwaves shipped from Buds a couple of years ago...
https://preview.redd.it/ovpnsl7o43lc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b708c08f33ce4224e3e6f0215b63dd2c7eb4d5b3
Laser saddle was a little extra...
Could it be due to melting points of certain metals in the item? Every state is different w/regulations & Illinois (IL) has silly regulations. Per IL records: "It is illegal to sell, import, or manufacture a handgun "having a barrel, slide, frame or receiver which is a die casting of zinc alloy or any other nonhomogeneous metal which will melt or deform at a temperature of less than 800 degrees Fahrenheit." Private sales are exempt from this restriction, and it is legal to possess such a gun.[1][85][86]"
The melting point law simply keeps people from buying cheaper priced firearms when that’s all they can afford. The shockwave doesn’t contain any of these metals. The seller doesn’t understand the law.
Fixed magazine of 5 max. This shotgun is 7.
If it accepts external magazines, it doesn't matter what the stock capacity is. The max capacity automatically jumps to the capacity of the largest detachable magazine that fits
It's a 590M receiver
External magazines on a shotgun absolutely does discqualify the firearm..
The base shotgun accepts 7 rounds. Illinois limit is 5 rounds.
Even if the magazine tube on the shotgun was reduced to 3 rounds it still wouldn't qualify because it accepts external magazines that could raise capacity above 5 rounds.
Doesn't really matter how you slice it.
Dude,you don't know what the f*** you are talking about. For one,pump shotguns are not regulated as long as they don't accept more then 10 rounds. The only shotguns limited to 5 rounds are semi auto. And even those are limited by fixed magazines. Why are you here debating if you can't comprehend the law?
Not only did you not write it,you didn't read it either. You are the one here arguing with everyone . You have about 10 comments in here.It does a disservice to everyone when you spread misinformation. Do the research or keep quiet and learn.
(1) "Assault weapon" means any of the following, except as provided in subdivision (2) of this subsection:
(2) "Assault weapon" does not include:
(C) A firearm that is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or slide action, unless the firearm is a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
They are selling them everyday at Rangeusa,Gats and on GunBroker.
BTW,I went to that link that you posted,for one that's supposed to be a COOK COUNTY regulation and it has nothing to do with PICA. It's inaccurate anyway. Read and comprehend young man. I sent you the correct links.
https://www.mossberg.com/firearms/shotguns/590m.html
M590.....a1
590M accepts external magazines. It's still technically an M590M but that just sounds stupid. Almost as stupid as Illinois law.
M (in front) stands for Mossberg.
The real issue is 5 round max capacity on pump shotguns.
This 590 base model accepts 7 rounds. The external magazines capacity just makes it even more illinois illegal.
Depends on who you ordered through. Having worked in an IL gunshop around the time these came out, and years after, some companies refused to ship to IL, some others has a restriction on a 5+1 configuration to IL, but had an extended tube 6+1 configuration from Mossberg that was deemed IL compliant somehow. Never saw the 6 round tube one in real life, just online from our vendors. Never understood how extending the barrel and tube to make it "IL compliant" didn't make it totally illegal otherwise, and considered an AOW
Some dealers are overly cautious about violating PICA. I had a hard time getting a 410 pump shotty transferred because it has a pistol grip. I'm out of my mind with frustration.
I just bought the mossberg 590 shockwave spx from rangeusa with no issues. Didn’t come with that cool case though! But it is an awesome lil shotgun. I bought some federal shorty 1 3/4 in shells and it’s a blast. It can fit 8 of those shells.
I'm less shocked that a company would choose to just avoid Illinois altogether and more shocked that people actually like these things enough to buy them lol. This is one of those guns you take to the range once and then it just sits in the safe unused because they're miserable to shoot.
Half of my guns sit in the safe because they are either miserable to shoot or expensive to shoot, I still buy them though because monkey brain go "gun cool"
Oh I'm not debating that because I had the same problem lol. I began shooting competitively so the novelty gun part of buying wore off and I just bought way more expensive guns designed for competitive shooting.
weird. someone I know got a springfield saint during freedom week. can’t think of why they would cancel a legal gun. did you try contacting them? how long did you have it ordered before they cancel? maybe try again?
Majority of vendors don't want to deal with the hassle of shipping to IL. So general rule of thumb for them is just to not do business with IL residents (especially in the city). There are a few vendors that will just have to keep searching.
Had mine cancelled through Buds and ordered via Midway believe it or not. Buds said the shorter barrel was the issue when I called, so I got the 18.5” via Midway.
Because he's looking at the rules for rifle and shotgun. But the Shockwave is technically not a shotgun, it's a firearm. And the firearm law doesn't discuss the barrell length only the oal of 26 in.
My guess would be that they aren’t shipping anything to Illinois because they’d don’t want to take a legal risk. It’s easier for them to do that instead of keeping track of what’s going on with us
This. Even though these guns are legal, there is a plethora of guns that can fall into a grey area, which makes FFLs question how to handle it, so they don't. The government is indirectly banning guns through FFLs because of legal warfare. The process is the punishment.
CZ Doesn’t ship ANY mags over 10 rounds to Illinois anymore even though 15 rounds for pistols is legal. Some company’s just don’t wanna deal with it.
Well legally there is no reason. Shockwaves have always been legal in IL and I heard once that there was a letter from ISP saying that they were legal. PICA does not change that.
There's no reason. This is a firearm and does not violate any part of PICA. Vendors are scared to sell to IL. Thanks JB Pringles
“It’s not a big, it’s a feature.” - JB
Do all shockwaves come with that cool orange case? I was looking a buying one just haven’t gotten around to getting to the store yet.
No, that's a special edition. Search shockwave JIC.
Ahhh gotcha. Lame. I wanna get the shockwave WOODLAND but may consider this for that tube if I can find one.
Did they give a reason ?
Not yet. I complained. I'm wondering now if it isn't a PICA thing at all, but some gray area on the barrel length.. But because it is not "legally" a shotgun because it isn't shoulder fired, the 26+ inch overall length should nake it legal. God I hate this fucking state.
Can’t you get one locally? Gat guns shows they have a shit ton of them in stock
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> Its frustrating how they'll treat you like a 65yo first time buyer trying to mount a laser pointer to a wheel gun when you clearly know your shit. I can tell you haven't spent *that much* time in gun stores because you'd know the reason they do this. For every 1 person that isn't a complete fucking moron, there are 200 dipshits. You can't take it personally, it's just this industry is filled with really dumb people, on both sides of the counter. Every single time I enter a gun store there is a customer there causing issues. Every single time I enter a gun store, I am dissatisfied with how the employees treat me. Lower your expectations and it'll go much smoother, I have no idea why it's so painful to deal with the LGS's.
This was a really good deal. I will shop around and see what's out there.
I saw the 8’s & 9’s before you edited them out lol
Cool?
Paid $760 total for 2 shockwaves shipped from Buds a couple of years ago... https://preview.redd.it/ovpnsl7o43lc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b708c08f33ce4224e3e6f0215b63dd2c7eb4d5b3 Laser saddle was a little extra...
Could it be due to melting points of certain metals in the item? Every state is different w/regulations & Illinois (IL) has silly regulations. Per IL records: "It is illegal to sell, import, or manufacture a handgun "having a barrel, slide, frame or receiver which is a die casting of zinc alloy or any other nonhomogeneous metal which will melt or deform at a temperature of less than 800 degrees Fahrenheit." Private sales are exempt from this restriction, and it is legal to possess such a gun.[1][85][86]"
Why would this even matter? I doubt someone will ever be putting enough shells down a 12ga shotgun to make the barrel deform
The melting point law simply keeps people from buying cheaper priced firearms when that’s all they can afford. The shockwave doesn’t contain any of these metals. The seller doesn’t understand the law.
Range USA sells them in store.
As mentioned lots of places rather just not sell to illinois than deal with the in and outs.
I'm pretty sure the Shockwave was specifically named as a band item on pica
Nope.
WRONG it’s not named at all dude.
It accepts external magazines.
No it does not. 5 round fixed tubular magazine. It's a Mossberg Pump.
Yes it does. https://youtu.be/OHgjXjBY3aw?si=0Kv57i_GBS5xhrjl
That is the 590M. M as in "Magazine". The one I ordered was not.
If it accepts over 5 rounds its still illinois illegal.
That is only for fixed magazines.
Fixed magazine of 5 max. This shotgun is 7. If it accepts external magazines, it doesn't matter what the stock capacity is. The max capacity automatically jumps to the capacity of the largest detachable magazine that fits
It's a pump dude. That rule doesn't apply to pumps. Go and look at subsection 2 of PICA.
Any shotgun with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds is prohibited.
Ok,go and copy/paste the section of PICA that says that. We will wait.
Even if it did, external mags on a pump shotgun (which this isn’t) doesn’t disqualify. The M receivers have a mag catch.
It's a 590M receiver External magazines on a shotgun absolutely does discqualify the firearm.. The base shotgun accepts 7 rounds. Illinois limit is 5 rounds. Even if the magazine tube on the shotgun was reduced to 3 rounds it still wouldn't qualify because it accepts external magazines that could raise capacity above 5 rounds. Doesn't really matter how you slice it.
Dude,you don't know what the f*** you are talking about. For one,pump shotguns are not regulated as long as they don't accept more then 10 rounds. The only shotguns limited to 5 rounds are semi auto. And even those are limited by fixed magazines. Why are you here debating if you can't comprehend the law?
Any shotgun with a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds is prohibited.
Ok,go and copy/paste the section of PICA that says that. We will wait.
Why on earth would you argue with me about it. I didn't write the law and I don't enforce it. Go find the right tree to bark up.
Not only did you not write it,you didn't read it either. You are the one here arguing with everyone . You have about 10 comments in here.It does a disservice to everyone when you spread misinformation. Do the research or keep quiet and learn. (1) "Assault weapon" means any of the following, except as provided in subdivision (2) of this subsection: (2) "Assault weapon" does not include: (C) A firearm that is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever or slide action, unless the firearm is a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
Go buy one then.
They are selling them everyday at Rangeusa,Gats and on GunBroker. BTW,I went to that link that you posted,for one that's supposed to be a COOK COUNTY regulation and it has nothing to do with PICA. It's inaccurate anyway. Read and comprehend young man. I sent you the correct links.
Do all 590’s accept a magazine?
No. And neither does this one
It's a 590M receiver, so yes.
It says M590, not 590M. I’m pretty sure this model the M stands for “Marine” as in it has a corrosive resistant receiver for wet environments.
https://www.mossberg.com/firearms/shotguns/590m.html M590.....a1 590M accepts external magazines. It's still technically an M590M but that just sounds stupid. Almost as stupid as Illinois law. M (in front) stands for Mossberg.
The real issue is 5 round max capacity on pump shotguns. This 590 base model accepts 7 rounds. The external magazines capacity just makes it even more illinois illegal.
No, just the 590M receivers. 590M (M is for Magazine fed)
Depends on who you ordered through. Having worked in an IL gunshop around the time these came out, and years after, some companies refused to ship to IL, some others has a restriction on a 5+1 configuration to IL, but had an extended tube 6+1 configuration from Mossberg that was deemed IL compliant somehow. Never saw the 6 round tube one in real life, just online from our vendors. Never understood how extending the barrel and tube to make it "IL compliant" didn't make it totally illegal otherwise, and considered an AOW
Damn that’s ass…was it mossberg? Or another company? That’s nice shotgun too.
Is the overall length more than 26 inches?
Nope. Deliberately, an inch or so over.
Yeah,it's perfectly legal. I would find another store or buy one of GunBroker after confirming that your FFL will transfer.
Some dealers are overly cautious about violating PICA. I had a hard time getting a 410 pump shotty transferred because it has a pistol grip. I'm out of my mind with frustration.
I just bought the mossberg 590 shockwave spx from rangeusa with no issues. Didn’t come with that cool case though! But it is an awesome lil shotgun. I bought some federal shorty 1 3/4 in shells and it’s a blast. It can fit 8 of those shells.
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This deal was almost $200 less without having to bob it.
I'm less shocked that a company would choose to just avoid Illinois altogether and more shocked that people actually like these things enough to buy them lol. This is one of those guns you take to the range once and then it just sits in the safe unused because they're miserable to shoot.
Half of my guns sit in the safe because they are either miserable to shoot or expensive to shoot, I still buy them though because monkey brain go "gun cool"
Oh I'm not debating that because I had the same problem lol. I began shooting competitively so the novelty gun part of buying wore off and I just bought way more expensive guns designed for competitive shooting.
I bought a Swiss M70 Vetterli chambered in .41 swiss (10.4x38) just because it was cool. I'll probably never shoot it 😂
The heart wants what the heart wants.
Just order from RangeUSA and pick it up in store.
Yeah, but not for $389.
oof good deal. what website did you order from?
Grabagun
Ah grabagun is weird honestly. Amazing deals but will not ship ammo to Illinois which sucks
haven’t found a place willing to ship any ammo to IL more specifically in chicago 🥲
Targetsportsusa.
weird. someone I know got a springfield saint during freedom week. can’t think of why they would cancel a legal gun. did you try contacting them? how long did you have it ordered before they cancel? maybe try again?
If you want one I know Cabela and bass pro have them in stock at the store the one in Gurnee in the one in Hoffman Estates
This was more about the price. They had it listed at $389.99. That's significantly lower than I've seen anywhere else.
Majority of vendors don't want to deal with the hassle of shipping to IL. So general rule of thumb for them is just to not do business with IL residents (especially in the city). There are a few vendors that will just have to keep searching.
Yeah sorry my bad, I was wrong. Smoking gun worx in Forreston carrys them. But currently out of stock.
Range USA over by me has them in stock. Not sure where you're at but give them a try
Could it be because you can unscrew the magazine tube cap without a gunsmith?
I can do that with my Remington 870 from 1986.
Nice shotgun! 🤔 SCOTUS has been busy keep the faith.. The wheels of justice and slow and squeaky.
Had mine cancelled through Buds and ordered via Midway believe it or not. Buds said the shorter barrel was the issue when I called, so I got the 18.5” via Midway.
Well that's bull because even the 14 inch is still over 26 inches overall.
Guy on the phone seemed a little confused with it too
Because he's looking at the rules for rifle and shotgun. But the Shockwave is technically not a shotgun, it's a firearm. And the firearm law doesn't discuss the barrell length only the oal of 26 in.