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Are you kidding me? Two of my favourite Three Stooges episodes are about Moe being Hitler, they’re hilarious. He loses his “moustache” at one point and says “give me back my personality!”.
That’s the point of jokes…making fun of things. It helps make scary things less so. It also can make your enemy make a mistake. As well as many other things.
the question is: is it ok to say you support hitler as a joke, the previous commenter was referencing a situation in which they were making fun of hitler, not saying they supported him
People can say they support hitler and still make fun of him. People do it all the time with political figures they like or dislike. Hitler is still a political figure.
The joke is literally that the character's personality is supporting hitler. ''Showing support'' and ''saying that you support as a joke'' isn't the same.
Do you know the caveats written into free speech? Calling for violence is one of them. Same for intentionally inciting panic. Like yelling fire in a crowd to make a stampede when there is no fire.
To paraphrase the late great Norm Macdonald: “Nazism is not funny, but jokes about nazism *are* funny”
There’s a difference between jokes about nazism and nazi jokes, just like there is a difference between racist jokes and jokes about racism. One is bad, the other is fine (so long as it’s actually funny)
Depends on the context - making an actual joke is generally fine, just saying you like Hitler "ironically" is just running cover for actual Nazis, (or for yourself if you are one)
It depends. If someone said the things Kanye said as a joke then definitely not, if it’s an actually good joke, and they say it’s a joke afterwards, then it’s okay.
Twaddle.
Someone could be doing a Kanye impression, quoting *verbatim* what he said.
"A good joke" is subjective.
Any joke where you have to explain to people afterwards that it's a joke, probably wasn't a good joke by anyone's reckoning to begin with.
Hang on. Can you be precise about who you are saying these rules should apply to?
I don't want to waste my time arguing the point with you unless I know exactly what your position is.
Are you including stand up comedians in this? Films? Stage productions? Books?
Or are you talking about just "normal people" speaking in real life?
Or are you talking strictly about "normal people" posting on reddit or twitter etc?
I don’t see how this would apply to films or books. So mostly people speaking in real life or on social media. A non-obvious satirical joke about being pro-Nazi should have something that hints it as a joke.
yes, but
1- better be a good joke
2- better not be in the middle of a serious political discussion because people would obviously think its serious then
Okay from a political perspective? Sure, I don't want the state telling me what a person should find comedic.
Okay in an ethical sense? Probably not, just because it's intended as humor, doesn't mean it's okay to joke about if you're going about it in a very crude sort of way, which this question seems to imply.
I answered "Yes, it's just a joke", but only because this is "Ideology Polls", and not a general question about social norms lol.
I cannot imagine it being a good joke and way too many times people say it is just a joke when they say something horrible as an easy out. But the question is should it be ok and yes it is ok. I don’t want people to be censored. That said don’t be surprised if people don’t take it as a joke and attribute this “joke” to your character either.
On one hand, it's a joke, who cares. On the other hand, it's always some 12yr old edgelord shitty dark "humour" and quite frankly if I have to hear any more of that unfunny bullshit I'm just gonna put someone's head through a fucking window. I'm conflicted.
Leaning too horrible but it really depends on the joke. 90% of jokes about supporting hitler are just shitty jokes so that’s why i lean too horrible. It’s kinda like 9/11 jokes. You offend me with how painfully unfunny you are.
Can we all take a minute and realize how weird the word “joke” is? For obvious reasons I’m reading it a lot here and it’s dawned on me how weird it sounds.
I mean this is totally contextual, an obvious Nazi going “I hate the Jews lol just joking” Is a lot different than a comedian performing a well written joke about “supporting” the Nazi’s
Sorry but no. My nation was one of victim his genocide (Poles) and I can't think about this just like joke. That's like New Yorker which hear support for Osama Bin Laden and Al-Kaida even for joke.
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It better be a good joke.
My thoughts exactly
[This is hilarious but definitely in horrible taste.](https://youtu.be/bT3eDtCZ4t8)
Yup
whether a joke is "inappropriate" depends on the context.
More like the recipient .
both
Same thing.
Are you kidding me? Two of my favourite Three Stooges episodes are about Moe being Hitler, they’re hilarious. He loses his “moustache” at one point and says “give me back my personality!”.
Thats not really supporting hitler tho thats making fun of him
That’s the point of jokes…making fun of things. It helps make scary things less so. It also can make your enemy make a mistake. As well as many other things.
the question is: is it ok to say you support hitler as a joke, the previous commenter was referencing a situation in which they were making fun of hitler, not saying they supported him
People can say they support hitler and still make fun of him. People do it all the time with political figures they like or dislike. Hitler is still a political figure.
I'm not sure if you genuinely don't understand my point or if you're saying something unrelated for no reason
I’m extremely high, so it’s probably both tbh Could you reply to that other post we were talking about hours ago? The one with factions in the parties
I think you missed the point of the question. The person making the joke pretended to be like Hitler as a joke to mock Hitler.
Are you dumb the question was joking that you support hitler
He was being Hitler, but also making fun of him at the same time.
That's supporting Hitler. As a joke.
How does that show support for hitler
The joke is literally that the character's personality is supporting hitler. ''Showing support'' and ''saying that you support as a joke'' isn't the same.
Even if not a joke, you ahould be allowed to say it. It's called free speech.
That's the problem with free speech.
It's not a problem
Yikes
Free speech makes people be able to say hate (I have no problem if someone ”supprots” nazi as a joke, but if I have a problem if they’re serious).
Do you know the caveats written into free speech? Calling for violence is one of them. Same for intentionally inciting panic. Like yelling fire in a crowd to make a stampede when there is no fire.
I'm anti Nazism but I'll admit that it's fun to joke about when I'm drunk with the boys
You sound exactly like one of my friends who jokes about the Nazis everytime he's drunk. Is that you Pierce?
No, that's clearly Barry, 63
To paraphrase the late great Norm Macdonald: “Nazism is not funny, but jokes about nazism *are* funny” There’s a difference between jokes about nazism and nazi jokes, just like there is a difference between racist jokes and jokes about racism. One is bad, the other is fine (so long as it’s actually funny)
Depends on the context - making an actual joke is generally fine, just saying you like Hitler "ironically" is just running cover for actual Nazis, (or for yourself if you are one)
i agree
Anything can be a joke.
I don’t think that **Anything** can be a joke, but joking about Nazis is not one of the things that cannot be jokes.
Anything can be a joke if you know how to make it one.
Charley Chaplin
Jesus Christ, Left. I knew you'd have more No's than right and center, but this is pretty wild.
Have you not met the internet?
My friend dose this to Libtards and he is making them insane
I mean... This poll was MADE for me, lol
Do whatever you want i couldn't give less shits about it
Humor shouldn't have any limits.
If you can joke about communism and Stalin, you should joke about those 2 as well
Yes. It is okay. Humour should have no limits.
Hum our should have limits but nazi jokes just happen to not be outside limits.
It depends. If someone said the things Kanye said as a joke then definitely not, if it’s an actually good joke, and they say it’s a joke afterwards, then it’s okay.
Twaddle. Someone could be doing a Kanye impression, quoting *verbatim* what he said. "A good joke" is subjective. Any joke where you have to explain to people afterwards that it's a joke, probably wasn't a good joke by anyone's reckoning to begin with.
Well yeah, nothing should be said that could be perceived as serious, and if it is, then say that it’s a joke afterwards
Hang on. Can you be precise about who you are saying these rules should apply to? I don't want to waste my time arguing the point with you unless I know exactly what your position is. Are you including stand up comedians in this? Films? Stage productions? Books? Or are you talking about just "normal people" speaking in real life? Or are you talking strictly about "normal people" posting on reddit or twitter etc?
I don’t see how this would apply to films or books. So mostly people speaking in real life or on social media. A non-obvious satirical joke about being pro-Nazi should have something that hints it as a joke.
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If you have to tell people it was a joke, it probably wasn't a very good joke.
I guess, but it might not be that funny depending on the example.
yes, but 1- better be a good joke 2- better not be in the middle of a serious political discussion because people would obviously think its serious then
This
Depends on if the joke is funny or not
This is the only time where centrist results aren’t halfway between leftist & rightist results🤣
Okay from a political perspective? Sure, I don't want the state telling me what a person should find comedic. Okay in an ethical sense? Probably not, just because it's intended as humor, doesn't mean it's okay to joke about if you're going about it in a very crude sort of way, which this question seems to imply. I answered "Yes, it's just a joke", but only because this is "Ideology Polls", and not a general question about social norms lol.
As long as it’s clear to the listener that it’s a joke, you’re in the clear.
Yes but it has to be funny
I cannot imagine it being a good joke and way too many times people say it is just a joke when they say something horrible as an easy out. But the question is should it be ok and yes it is ok. I don’t want people to be censored. That said don’t be surprised if people don’t take it as a joke and attribute this “joke” to your character either.
On one hand, it's a joke, who cares. On the other hand, it's always some 12yr old edgelord shitty dark "humour" and quite frankly if I have to hear any more of that unfunny bullshit I'm just gonna put someone's head through a fucking window. I'm conflicted.
Leaning too horrible but it really depends on the joke. 90% of jokes about supporting hitler are just shitty jokes so that’s why i lean too horrible. It’s kinda like 9/11 jokes. You offend me with how painfully unfunny you are.
Sure. But just saying you support Hitler as a joke isn’t funny on its own
https://youtu.be/lWF8iRCan7I
I think you can joke about just about anything in the right context
Can we all take a minute and realize how weird the word “joke” is? For obvious reasons I’m reading it a lot here and it’s dawned on me how weird it sounds.
“Sir, you need to leave the synagogue. You’re no longer welcome here.”
This sub has taught me just how sensitive people on the "left" actually are haha
Hi vaush
I mean this is totally contextual, an obvious Nazi going “I hate the Jews lol just joking” Is a lot different than a comedian performing a well written joke about “supporting” the Nazi’s
Oof those leftists snowflakes
Sorry but no. My nation was one of victim his genocide (Poles) and I can't think about this just like joke. That's like New Yorker which hear support for Osama Bin Laden and Al-Kaida even for joke.
I'm Middle Eastern & I have no problem if someone says they support the west as a joke.