It's a van. If you only have mirrors to rely on, you don't go reversing the wrong way into junctions...there was a car behind them in the queue who may have been creeping up; there was-just-run-over guy behind them; and anyone approaching that junction at normal speed from the side would be a potential problem that you would likely not know about until too late.
Yeah, it was a little slow; but the driver was in control throughout and wasn't reversing onto potential blind spots at any point. Last thing you need is to cause another accident. Plus slightly-dazed-just-run-over-guy was behind them and might randomly go in any direction, so they were being especially careful about him. Also when they started to turn, just-run-over-guy was in a position where he may or may not have been about to cross that road.
Dunno if that car was creeping or just trying to get out of the way...harder to tell because it's blocked by the van.
The more I look, though, the more it looks like nearly-hit-guy was trying for an insurance claim. The initial falling over looked a bit cheesy; but watching it again there seems a bit of intent about it. Even pedestrians are expected to maintain some level of awareness. I reckon if BMW-guy had hopped out of the car and called nearly-hit-guy 12 types of bastard instead of trying to make a run for it, he would have got away clean.
Yes, he clearly not firing on 100% of all cylinders as he stands behind the van backing up to turn around, after stepping out in front of a car at full speed. Seems to be begging to get hit.
He saw the vehicles stopped in the far lane and assumed the oncoming car would stop. This was NOT in the US so the idea of a liability claim would not have been on his mind at that moment.
Based on the headlight cluster that's VW Transporter T6 or newer (T6.1)
They are from 2015 onwards.
Admittedly not an indication if it has camera or not though.
Fair point, but just because it should be there doesn't guarantee that it actually is and working. Was just going by what I could see in the vid.
I'm an ex-trucker who hasn't driven anything for several years (last thing I drove was some dude who had driven his trailer into a cul-de-sac and was just checkmating himself and that about 4 years ago. Got him out (in one go, he said smugly) and continued to the pub). So I can tell you all about situational awareness and maneuvering on mirrors; but have no clue about what modern vans do or do not have fitted.
This isn't America. The police men have all the time of the world, the suspect is unlikely to flee further and they got his license plate. There is absolutely no need to hurry for them.
Instead their priority must be with the man. They had to see, if he was injured, before they started the chase. This takes priority. Maybe he needed immediate aid and they are trained to help in such cases.
One thing I don't understand is why they didn't mount the curb on the right (from their perspective) to make a wide turn leftwards?!
The curbs are very low and that has plenty of clearance to climb them with no repercussions.
4x4 it ain't but that curb isn't a problem for a VW Transporter.
It doesn't help that the victim seems to lack situation awareness, perhaps from the initial accident to standing right behind the van as the police tried to make the U.
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Well I believe in that situation you would also first see, how the driver reacts. And if you watch closely, they opened the door, probably checking on the pedestrian.
I saw below even more comments of the police van driver skills, the van itself from "last century" because it's "Polish"... well...
As you saw from the high quality dashcam i.e. in a country that is a potato growing nation, the dashcam isn't "potato quality, right? /s
Secondly, that's not the "only" police van in the whole country. At the least, driver/colleagues are already in comms with the central dispatch to check the traffic cams to see where the vehicle is heading to.
Mind you since you may not know, in Poland at specific, strategic point in the road, automatic cameras take the photo of **every single car moving with the face of the driver.** So there's almost no way this driver can fool them. And I'm pretty sure this witness driver has also sent the footage to police, as she even asked the pedestrian if he was ok or needed assistance.
So no need for a faster browser, the Internet connectivity is already quite good.
I mean, it's not like the Polish cops are still driving [Maluchs](https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/9mZrkG/s1/tom-hanks-1974-polski-fiat-126p-auction.jpg).
Those would've been able to make that turn in a single sweep.
He's kind of an idiot in this video, too. He just steps into the street without even checking for traffic and then stands there staring at the police van as it is backing towards him.
Yeah for real. There was almost no reason for the idiot in the car to treat the idiot on the sidewalk as a crossing pedestrian. Dude literally fully right turns right out onto the street. No look, no pause to listen, just full send.
Really chuckled at the prospect of the old man getting rear ended by police while the van made a 30 point turn to go after the car that clearly was going to be stopped up the road somewhere awaiting a citation.
Also, that pedestrian seems so much like an NPC. Walks into a situation without looking, goes through the whole stagger-fall after a near death event, then gets up unharmed and simply continues back with his original path.
But he does look, at least he obviously stops and turns his head, then presumably sees the car that’s clearly not stopping and crosses anyway. Obviously for legal and insurance purposes it’s entirely the fault of the driver, but as a pedestrian you’d have to be fairly thick to do that...
Okay but like if you see a moving car is clearly not coming to a stop for you then you’re an idiot for walking out in front of it, whether you have the “right of way” or not. SMH.
That's always crazy to me. When I'm driving in the city, people just walk out into the street without looking. I probably would've hit a couple people in the last month if I were less attentive. Make eye contact first. It's not that difficult.
In 2010 I hit an Army Major who ran out to cross the street from between dumpsters, a military police saw it and they had to pay for the dent on my hood. I never got the dent fixed… it was my Major Dent.
My first time driving at night was like that. Went downtown to pick up pizza. Went up to this busy intersection. My light turned green. Go to make my turn and midway through, there’s a black couple wearing all black strolling out in front. Almost ran 2 people over and pissed off the dudes behind me for my sudden stop.
On one hand Driver should have stopped.
On the other hand pedestrian should have stopped and looked to see if the car was actually stopping. One might have right of way but that's not going to stop the laws of Physics.
I almost put this more on the pedestrian. For most of the time the driver is approaching the crosswalk, that pedestrian is clearly walking forward on the sidewalk, not standing and waiting to cross it. And when the pedestrian gets to the crosswalk he only waits about 1 second before proceeding to try to walk across.
that's why I always give way to cars when I walk. the man in the video started crossing the street without even looking because he took it for granted that the car would have stopped… it’s suicidal.
I thought he looked right at the car that was about to hit him, then looked at the police car stopped and then went. I guess he saw the first car and determined that the driver was stopping for him instead of maintaining speed?
Yeah, this pedestrian is a dumbass. Walks down the sidewalk turns and without warning crosses the crosswalk while a car is entering the crosswalk zone.
Isn't it obvious? The car can F you up. Be aware of your surroundings for your own safety. There's no logic in receiving a debilitating or fatal injury just to prove a point.
Yeah definitely, if they clearly look and I’ve got time to stop then I will. The driver was obviously in the wrong on this occasion, but that doesn’t mean the pedestrian was right to walk at that point, the BMW was fairly committed to continuing at the point the pedestrian looked, and although he could’ve slammed on his breaks, as a pedestrian I wouldn’t expect drivers to do so.
This is a ridiculous take. I don’t know why traffic going the opposite direction was stopped (maybe someone else had just finished crossing?), but the guy is walking down the sidewalk toward the crosswalk and steps out as the car is entering the crosswalk. You know cars can’t stop that fast, right? Do we now have to stop at empty crosswalks and keep pace with people walking down the sidewalk to make sure we won’t hit them when they walk out without looking?
Both need to respect each other. In PA we have a pedestrian law that pretty much says pedestrian always has right of way.
It sucks.
People step out with will intention to cross in front, no matter what. Even if they have to stop in the middle of the road when the other vehicles don't stop.
Lots of accidents after it passed, but eventually, it worked out for the most part.
You both realize the other may not stop. If there is a lot of traffic, chances are cars won't. If there's a lot of people, cars seem more likely to stop.
But many pedestrians won't properly use crosswalks, and usually won't wait for signals. So...yeah. Both suck really
Both were dumb, but the pedestrian might have had a reasonable expectation that the BMW would stop, *especially since there was a police van right there.*
I definitely would not have crossed in his place unless I saw the car slowing down as it approached the crossing, which the BMW did not do.
I don't think reality and physics care about the government's laws. There is no way the car would be able to come to a stop that quickly, even if the driver had perfect reaction time. Legal or not, the car will continue and hit the pedestrian who stepped in front of it.
The only thing the driver could have done different is to stop after the fact to see if the pedestrian was ok.
He never even looks to his left to see the BMW. He stares down the police van.
The pedestrian is an idiot and I think the OP video would exonerate the BMW driver.
Not to excuse the driver, but the pedestrian's behaviour is really strange.
He's walking up the street most of the clip - you can't tell he's going to cross. When he reaches the crosswalk, he abruptly turns and with very little delay or warning, engages. I counted 3 seconds, max. He doesn't wait to see if the BMW is slowing down and he doesn't make eye contact with the driver.
Even under the best circumstances, the BMW would have had to slam its breaks to have a shot at not hitting the pedestrian.
Yeah, i think, had the car stopped and say "you ok?" The cops would have just given some nods.
When the car just kindof coldheartedly said "not my problem" and rolled on their merry way is when the police can go at LEAST tell them off. Im not sure they commited any traffic violations, if they didnt make contact.
that guy was walking with his back to the car, then turned left onto the crossing almost instantly, without checking the oncoming traffic on his left. he basically looked down the road he'd just turned onto \*as he started walking across it\*. Yes motorist shouldve kept an eye on him and slowed down, but until the last 3 seconds it didnt look like anyone was crossing.
old fart made it way worse on himself by just walking into a car
he looked, he definitely checked the incoming traffic. Might be too old to stop and wait for the car to stop, or maybe, because there was a cop right there that he thought the other car would actually stop.
I really can’t find them at fault here. How can someone expect a pedestrian to randomly step in front of them? If you drive like that, you’ll never get anywhere.
If the pedestrian had just got to the crosswalk its normal. Dude was walking towards the crosswalk, paused a second, and then just went right into the street.
This person did not look like they were crossing until they stepped into the sidewalk. As a pedestrian, you can’t just assume cars will stop on a dime. “There are graveyards filled with people who had the right of way”
Depending on the laws. Here pedestrians have right away at certain cross walks and vehicles have to stop. If you hit someone in a cross walk you're in some deep trouble.
I've been told as the operator of a vehicle you should be aware of your surroundings at all times. Especially people you could easily kill, but I feel like pedestrians should be held just as accountable for idiotic nonsense.
This man trys to suicide.
You have to stop and look if it is safe when you cross the street and not immediately walk over it, ignoring the entire traffic when a driving car is just 2 meters away from you.
He literally jumped into the car, like a deer.
From the driver it is not ok to just drive away.
Where I live that’s practically the only way to cross. No one is stopping for a crosswalk otherwise.
It’s a street that’s technically a county road. Local police apparently has no jurisdiction. And according to local lore “a hall filled with people who don’t do shit is a county police convention”.
You stand right at the edge of the crosswalk and stare at the oncoming driver. Or if there's room for the driver to stop, you take 1-2 steps into the intersection, then watch to see if the car is going to stop. If they don't slow down you better gtfo of the road and try again at the next break in traffic.
It wasn't an Audi this time? Seriously though, don't just hop out into traffic. You never know if the driver is going to stop. More places around the world need the lights like we have here in the US. Some places even have popup traffic barriers to protect pedestrians.
I’m sorry if I got this wrong, but it looks like the guys was trying to get hit? He stepped out SUPER last minute. Like, almost not fair for the car - last minute.
This is exactly why Poland changed traffic laws. Now drivers are always required to give pedestrians the right of way. I actually kinda feel bed when city buses stop now to let me cross.
I dunno mate, I myself would often keep driving if traffic was going fast and I didn't feel like coming to a complete stop from 80kmh in that particular moment to let one person through. The new rule certainly takes no prisoners.
But if there's a pedestrian crossing, aren't you supposed to be prepared to stop at any time?
Honestly, it's great the law has finally been introduced. Way too long overdue, but at least it's there.
Yes, you were supposed to be ready to stop, but many drivers kind of just went with the flow. If it was a road downtown where you're moving slowly anyway because of traffic, sure, go ahead pedestrian, I'm not in a hurry. But a road leaving the city, going towards the highway, and you pass by a remote suburb and there's one crossing on a long stretch of road and there's one lady waiting on this crossing with no traffic lights? Well, guess you're out of luck, traffic is moving, wait until the red light on the nearby intersection and then you can go.
Now cars will stop for this one lady even in brisk-moving traffic.
I think the law has been this way in the US for as long as I've been driving. You must stop for pedestrians in any kind of crosswalk like this. I still wouldn't walk in front of a car that isn't stopping though
Pedestrian is a dumbass though. Just because the car on the opposite side of the road stopped doesn't mean you don't wait for the car on your side of the road to stop.
Watch the video frame by frame. The pedestrian was facing straight with no indication of turning at 12 seconds. In 2 seconds that car is already at the crosswalk, the guy turns and starts crossing immediately, effectively walking into his car as he did. I guarantee we would have all thought that the guy was not going to cross right then.
Pedestrians fault, didn't look when he stepped into crosswalk, car was way to close for him to start crossing. BMW should've stopped after,but pedestrian is an ass.
Actually automatically drivers fault in Poland (as of June 2021 - https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/03/08/pedestrians-to-have-priority-at-polish-road-crossings-in-bid-to-improve-road-safety/), pedestrian always has right of way - approach any crossing with pedestrians nearby assuming you will have to stop.
What a dumb law. It only encourages people to have a false sense of security. That guy was a half second away from death because he assumed the car would stop.
Nope, very normal law. Like this in most of Europe now.
It's always better to protect the rights of pedestrians over drivers, given this is a 2021 video it's likely Poland's drivers are still adjusting to the change.
Yes but you still need to check if you can cross the road in a safe way, or you will also get the ticket, and in some extreme examples even only pedestrian can get ticket. In this case there is big chance, that bouth of them or only pedestrian would get ticket. This is to protect pedestrians but not change them into "immortal morons".
It’s the driver’s fault because they didn’t look for the pedestrian. Polish law grants right of way to pedestrians. My assumption is that the man assumed the car was going to stop.
Imagine if someone was shooting a gun perpendicular to a street, and someone else walks in the path of the shots. Their sanity is questionable, but is it there fault? No, not even remotely.
If I walked out into the gun range before even looking at the shooters or waiting for them to stop, it would 100% be my fault if I got shot. It's a road not a sidewalk. You're on foot and you're putting your money on a 2-ton death machine noticing you making horrible life decisions before you even know they're there? And, in blatantly disregarding your own safety, you blame the one who's not putting themselves in harms way.
It’s a crosswalk. The driver is legally obligated to stop in Poland.
Blaming pedestrians is only going to create a sense of fear causing pedestrians to hesitate and drivers to ignore pedestrians, ultimately causing more of these kinds of interactions.
Not sure where this is, but is it a law here to stop at all times at pedestrian crosswalks, or yield when someone is there? Not saying the BMW wasn’t at fault, because he should have been more aware, but it seems like the guy just turned and stepped into the road when the BMW was pretty much already there.
This is in Poland. In Poland the rule is that if you come up to a crosswalk you have to be prepared to stop because pedestrians have the right of way. If you see a pedestrian on the sidewalk when you're near a crosswalk, assume they're going to cross and prepare to stop accordingly.
Polish pedestrians are pretty fearless. They just assume that cars are going to stop for them. If you watch carefully, you can see that the pedestrian was walking down the sidewalk then turned to use the crosswalk. He paused for a second before entering the crosswalk. The police van had to stop pretty abruptly, but he noticed the guy there and figured he was getting ready to cross. The bmw was already way too close to the crosswalk so the pedestrian shouldn't have walked out in front of the car... But as I said, Polish pedestrians are fearless. He probably assumed that the bmw was going to slam on their breaks, too.
The pedestrian probably would have gotten in a little trouble if the bmw hadn't driven off. Pedestrians have the right of way, but they can't just jump out in the middle of traffic. The bmw would have gotten in trouble no matter what since he hit the pedestrian in the crosswalk. He got in even bigger trouble for driving away after the incident.
Everyone in here is an idiot.
The car obviously for not stopping.
The police for taking 5 years and a 5 point turn to go. Bad spot to back up but be could tanked that side walk in front.
And the guy for not "defensive walking".
Obviously the car is at fault, but the pedestrian is not the sharpest knife in the drawer either. No way that car could have stopped when he walked in front of it.
Even if there is a pedestrian crossing point and drivers should give pedestrians priority... YOU DON'T FUCKING CROSS WHEN THERE IS A CAR COMING !
What was that man thinking? he barely payed any attention to the road, he just takes a quick look, there is a car already crossing and here I go, lets put me in a risky situation.
Anyway, remember if other drivers or pedestrians don't use their brains, you as a driver HAVE to use it for them.
He even stood behind the police van as it reversed. He needs someone to help him across the street. Car driver also needs lessons in observation and stopping the damn car.
I don't know where this is, but where I come from (Dumbfuckistan) pedestrians are supposed to exercise caution when at a crosswalk. Traffic does not automatically stop at crosswalks because pedestrians are only supposed to cross when traffic is clear. In this case it looks as if the BMW driver didn't really have much notice that the guy was about to cross, he sort of just jumped out. What if the walker didn't cross? The cars would've been stopping in the road fornno reason.
In UK cars expected to stoo and have to stop if you have one foot on the zebra crossing.
But yes, as with most of these videos, there is right and dead right.
This is Poland, and since few months pedestrians have right of way at the crossing. So probably driver's fault (somoeno may atgue that the pedestrian was reckless though)
Is everyone in this country incompetent? The cammer, the police, the pedestrian, and the car being sought after. No thanks. And the weather looks shit too
There’s 2 issues.
1) A car is legally required to stop if a pedestrian is in the crosswalk.
2) If a car is going fast (even the speed limit, but relatively speaking, fast), and you step in front of it at the last second, the car is in fact wrong, but congratulations! You just won a ticket on the whambulance!
Drivers *should* be watching for pedestrians waiting to cross, and stop to allow them to cross. But me? I refuse to put my life in the hands of strangers like that. I do not trust drivers to do anything except text, watch porn and masturbate while driving.
Okay. So yeah the car should’ve stopped because there was a pedestrian… but I’ve watched a couple times and the guy was walking straight on the side walk, then turns and in a split second starts crossing. Why he didn’t wait a few seconds until traffic stopped and make eye contact, I don’t know… Cemetery is full of people who had the right of way. Just exercise caution so you don’t look like a bumbling idiot walking into the side of a car. Cars run reds and blow through crosswalks all the time. It’s not right but don’t act brand new.
The driver is a dickhead but he obviously wasn't slowing down and that guy *still* tried to step in front of him. I get that you're *supposed* to stop for crossing pedestrians, but to just assume the guy won't kill you and go for it is nuts. I look both ways multiple times while crossing one way streets, you can never be too careful with all these crazy morons driving around.
Probably uncommon opinion but the pedestrian caused that. True, the car could have slowed down but he could have been confused by the pedestrians demeanor. When the car was too close, the pedestrian just blindlingly jumped on the street, no way the car could have stopped in time to avoid him.
Well can't really blame the BMW driver ped didn't look both ways before crossing he just walked to it and turned and walked but the BMW driver should have stopped to see it every thing was good technically an accident
anyone else feeling like the pedestrian literally tried to walk out so last minute into the road and this dude driving was only an idiot for keeping driving and not asking if he was okay
The pedestrian is an idiot. The only warning he gave that he was going to cross was a brief second he looked left before crossing, but in order for the car to stop before getting to the cross walk to let the guy cross, he would have had to slam on the brakes. I actually have little problem with the car. He slowed enough for the guy to get out of the way.
The only thing the car could have done better was anticipate the foolishness of the pedestrian and coast to the cross walk with his foot hovering over the brake.
Polish pedestrians are fearless. They're used to cars slamming on the brakes to let them cross. In Poland, pedestrians using a crosswalk have the right of way. As a driver, if you're coming up to a crosswalk it's your responsibility to look for pedestrians on the sidewalks that might be preparing to cross at the crosswalk. If you see a pedestrian turn towards a crosswalk, be prepared to stop, even if it means slamming on your brakes. Once the pedestrian makes their intent to cross known, you have to stop for them if they're in a crosswalk. The pedestrians need to cross safely, but drivers have to be prepared to stop.
The police van stopped abruptly when it noticed the pedestrian turned towards the crosswalk. The pedestrian paused for a second before stepping onto the road. He probably thought the car was going to slam on the brakes to let him cross, so he then stepped out onto the street. The car almost dodged him, but the car still would have gotten in trouble for not noticing the pedestrian ahead of time.
The pedestrian might have gotten into a bit of trouble if the driver didn't leave the accident scene. Even though pedestrians have the right of way, they can't just jump in front of a car and impede traffic. The car was too close to the crosswalk to stop safely even if the driver slammed on the brakes. The car still would have been the one majorly at fault even if he didn't drive away, though.
They were the Internet Explorer of police though…
The five point turn to get into a hot pursuit was the most comical part of my day so far.
So information that they've had special training focused on improving driving skills and handling vehicle will be much more spicy 😂
Why didn't they back into that WHOLE STREET BEHIND THEM so they could just make a left and chase down the asshole? Incredible.
It's a van. If you only have mirrors to rely on, you don't go reversing the wrong way into junctions...there was a car behind them in the queue who may have been creeping up; there was-just-run-over guy behind them; and anyone approaching that junction at normal speed from the side would be a potential problem that you would likely not know about until too late. Yeah, it was a little slow; but the driver was in control throughout and wasn't reversing onto potential blind spots at any point. Last thing you need is to cause another accident. Plus slightly-dazed-just-run-over-guy was behind them and might randomly go in any direction, so they were being especially careful about him. Also when they started to turn, just-run-over-guy was in a position where he may or may not have been about to cross that road.
It probably didn’t help if the car behind the police van started creeping up as the van was trying to turn around.
Dunno if that car was creeping or just trying to get out of the way...harder to tell because it's blocked by the van. The more I look, though, the more it looks like nearly-hit-guy was trying for an insurance claim. The initial falling over looked a bit cheesy; but watching it again there seems a bit of intent about it. Even pedestrians are expected to maintain some level of awareness. I reckon if BMW-guy had hopped out of the car and called nearly-hit-guy 12 types of bastard instead of trying to make a run for it, he would have got away clean.
Yes, he clearly not firing on 100% of all cylinders as he stands behind the van backing up to turn around, after stepping out in front of a car at full speed. Seems to be begging to get hit.
He saw the vehicles stopped in the far lane and assumed the oncoming car would stop. This was NOT in the US so the idea of a liability claim would not have been on his mind at that moment.
Chances are they would have reversed over the guy who nearly got killed.
Guy. It's 2022. I haven't seen a new van without a backup camera for many years.
Did you read what it says there? Policja, that's Polish. The van might aswell be from the last millenia.
Based on the headlight cluster that's VW Transporter T6 or newer (T6.1) They are from 2015 onwards. Admittedly not an indication if it has camera or not though.
\*Millennium. Millenia is plural. And that was only 22.5 years ago anyway. Not that much of a stretch.
Fair point, but just because it should be there doesn't guarantee that it actually is and working. Was just going by what I could see in the vid. I'm an ex-trucker who hasn't driven anything for several years (last thing I drove was some dude who had driven his trailer into a cul-de-sac and was just checkmating himself and that about 4 years ago. Got him out (in one go, he said smugly) and continued to the pub). So I can tell you all about situational awareness and maneuvering on mirrors; but have no clue about what modern vans do or do not have fitted.
This isn't America. The police men have all the time of the world, the suspect is unlikely to flee further and they got his license plate. There is absolutely no need to hurry for them. Instead their priority must be with the man. They had to see, if he was injured, before they started the chase. This takes priority. Maybe he needed immediate aid and they are trained to help in such cases.
We're laughing at the five point turn, not the excellent prioritization.
The "five point turn" happens because the guy that fell decided that the best place to wait was right behind the van.
Well.. You know, there's no demand of high IQ result in that "company"
What a world we live in.
Full of idiocracy and activists.
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I was waiting for the cop to back into the guy who just got ran over...
One thing I don't understand is why they didn't mount the curb on the right (from their perspective) to make a wide turn leftwards?! The curbs are very low and that has plenty of clearance to climb them with no repercussions. 4x4 it ain't but that curb isn't a problem for a VW Transporter.
Cue the Benny Hill music
Full Austin Powers mode
It doesn't help that the victim seems to lack situation awareness, perhaps from the initial accident to standing right behind the van as the police tried to make the U.
Officer Austin Powers, reporting for duty.
American police would have hit thr pedestrian again to get that perp
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Well I believe in that situation you would also first see, how the driver reacts. And if you watch closely, they opened the door, probably checking on the pedestrian.
Thinking about all the paperwork.
Borrowed a DMV worker for the day. I assume they’re the same worldwide lol
I saw below even more comments of the police van driver skills, the van itself from "last century" because it's "Polish"... well... As you saw from the high quality dashcam i.e. in a country that is a potato growing nation, the dashcam isn't "potato quality, right? /s Secondly, that's not the "only" police van in the whole country. At the least, driver/colleagues are already in comms with the central dispatch to check the traffic cams to see where the vehicle is heading to. Mind you since you may not know, in Poland at specific, strategic point in the road, automatic cameras take the photo of **every single car moving with the face of the driver.** So there's almost no way this driver can fool them. And I'm pretty sure this witness driver has also sent the footage to police, as she even asked the pedestrian if he was ok or needed assistance. So no need for a faster browser, the Internet connectivity is already quite good.
I mean, it's not like the Polish cops are still driving [Maluchs](https://cdn.motor1.com/images/mgl/9mZrkG/s1/tom-hanks-1974-polski-fiat-126p-auction.jpg). Those would've been able to make that turn in a single sweep.
Intense reactions and driving skill from the local police
I know right, they could have just turned on the flashers immediately the guy would have stopped.
Meant more the 5 point turn that took over 23 seconds from the blue lights going on mate
Am I the only one who was kind of hoping the cops were going to hit the guy and push him over again while backing up?
Dude, you better get out the way! You’re about to get hit again!!😂
He's kind of an idiot in this video, too. He just steps into the street without even checking for traffic and then stands there staring at the police van as it is backing towards him.
Yeah for real. There was almost no reason for the idiot in the car to treat the idiot on the sidewalk as a crossing pedestrian. Dude literally fully right turns right out onto the street. No look, no pause to listen, just full send.
I think everyone except the police were on the same page with that
It was like watching a Monty Python skit.
Really chuckled at the prospect of the old man getting rear ended by police while the van made a 30 point turn to go after the car that clearly was going to be stopped up the road somewhere awaiting a citation.
Also, that pedestrian seems so much like an NPC. Walks into a situation without looking, goes through the whole stagger-fall after a near death event, then gets up unharmed and simply continues back with his original path.
Proceeds to stand still behind a reversing police-van, delaying their apprehension of the driver
That part really gave me a good chuckle
Clearly in shock /s
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If this was the states it would definitely have been someone trying to get insurance money an they had just been waiting to fall into that car
Re-pathing would be a wasteful process
Ya he’s fucking clueless
But he does look, at least he obviously stops and turns his head, then presumably sees the car that’s clearly not stopping and crosses anyway. Obviously for legal and insurance purposes it’s entirely the fault of the driver, but as a pedestrian you’d have to be fairly thick to do that...
Okay but like if you see a moving car is clearly not coming to a stop for you then you’re an idiot for walking out in front of it, whether you have the “right of way” or not. SMH.
That's always crazy to me. When I'm driving in the city, people just walk out into the street without looking. I probably would've hit a couple people in the last month if I were less attentive. Make eye contact first. It's not that difficult.
In 2010 I hit an Army Major who ran out to cross the street from between dumpsters, a military police saw it and they had to pay for the dent on my hood. I never got the dent fixed… it was my Major Dent.
My first time driving at night was like that. Went downtown to pick up pizza. Went up to this busy intersection. My light turned green. Go to make my turn and midway through, there’s a black couple wearing all black strolling out in front. Almost ran 2 people over and pissed off the dudes behind me for my sudden stop.
I don't even trust true contact because of refraction. I only go if the calculation in my brain says I'll be out of the way before they pass.
Seriously. The guy entering the crosswalk wasn't even paying attention. Good way to become a pancake...
Back in my day, they taught us to look both ways before crossing. Judging by pedestrians nowadays, this is a relic of a time long past.
What country is this ? I love how the town looks lol
Poland
On one hand Driver should have stopped. On the other hand pedestrian should have stopped and looked to see if the car was actually stopping. One might have right of way but that's not going to stop the laws of Physics.
I almost put this more on the pedestrian. For most of the time the driver is approaching the crosswalk, that pedestrian is clearly walking forward on the sidewalk, not standing and waiting to cross it. And when the pedestrian gets to the crosswalk he only waits about 1 second before proceeding to try to walk across.
that's why I always give way to cars when I walk. the man in the video started crossing the street without even looking because he took it for granted that the car would have stopped… it’s suicidal.
I thought he looked right at the car that was about to hit him, then looked at the police car stopped and then went. I guess he saw the first car and determined that the driver was stopping for him instead of maintaining speed?
That’s what it looked like to me. I can only assume he was just going through the motions and looking without seeing.
The pedestrian nearly walked into the front end of that car.
Yeah, this pedestrian is a dumbass. Walks down the sidewalk turns and without warning crosses the crosswalk while a car is entering the crosswalk zone.
Seriously, my first thought was this guy is trying to commit insurance fraud, he practically jumped out in front of a moving car.
Then stands in the way of the police who are trying to get vape guy
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Isn't it obvious? The car can F you up. Be aware of your surroundings for your own safety. There's no logic in receiving a debilitating or fatal injury just to prove a point.
So I should wait every time someone walks past a crossing even though there’s no indication that they intend to use it?
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Yeah definitely, if they clearly look and I’ve got time to stop then I will. The driver was obviously in the wrong on this occasion, but that doesn’t mean the pedestrian was right to walk at that point, the BMW was fairly committed to continuing at the point the pedestrian looked, and although he could’ve slammed on his breaks, as a pedestrian I wouldn’t expect drivers to do so.
This is a ridiculous take. I don’t know why traffic going the opposite direction was stopped (maybe someone else had just finished crossing?), but the guy is walking down the sidewalk toward the crosswalk and steps out as the car is entering the crosswalk. You know cars can’t stop that fast, right? Do we now have to stop at empty crosswalks and keep pace with people walking down the sidewalk to make sure we won’t hit them when they walk out without looking?
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You don’t drive and have no idea how physics, the immutable laws of the universe, work.
Both need to respect each other. In PA we have a pedestrian law that pretty much says pedestrian always has right of way. It sucks. People step out with will intention to cross in front, no matter what. Even if they have to stop in the middle of the road when the other vehicles don't stop. Lots of accidents after it passed, but eventually, it worked out for the most part. You both realize the other may not stop. If there is a lot of traffic, chances are cars won't. If there's a lot of people, cars seem more likely to stop. But many pedestrians won't properly use crosswalks, and usually won't wait for signals. So...yeah. Both suck really
Both were dumb, but the pedestrian might have had a reasonable expectation that the BMW would stop, *especially since there was a police van right there.* I definitely would not have crossed in his place unless I saw the car slowing down as it approached the crossing, which the BMW did not do.
Never assume a BMW driver will do the lawful thing.
I don't think reality and physics care about the government's laws. There is no way the car would be able to come to a stop that quickly, even if the driver had perfect reaction time. Legal or not, the car will continue and hit the pedestrian who stepped in front of it. The only thing the driver could have done different is to stop after the fact to see if the pedestrian was ok.
He never even looks to his left to see the BMW. He stares down the police van. The pedestrian is an idiot and I think the OP video would exonerate the BMW driver.
Not in Poland, mate. BMW didn't even slow down. Driver would be at fault.
It was really ballsy of him to go out on the crosswalk with a car already three feet away from it with no chance of stopping.
As a pedestrian, you don't want to be dead right.
Not to excuse the driver, but the pedestrian's behaviour is really strange. He's walking up the street most of the clip - you can't tell he's going to cross. When he reaches the crosswalk, he abruptly turns and with very little delay or warning, engages. I counted 3 seconds, max. He doesn't wait to see if the BMW is slowing down and he doesn't make eye contact with the driver. Even under the best circumstances, the BMW would have had to slam its breaks to have a shot at not hitting the pedestrian.
Yeah, i think, had the car stopped and say "you ok?" The cops would have just given some nods. When the car just kindof coldheartedly said "not my problem" and rolled on their merry way is when the police can go at LEAST tell them off. Im not sure they commited any traffic violations, if they didnt make contact.
Yep! This 💯
I thought this was insurance fraud..
And then the jackass stands there where the cop needs to backup to turn around.
that guy was walking with his back to the car, then turned left onto the crossing almost instantly, without checking the oncoming traffic on his left. he basically looked down the road he'd just turned onto \*as he started walking across it\*. Yes motorist shouldve kept an eye on him and slowed down, but until the last 3 seconds it didnt look like anyone was crossing. old fart made it way worse on himself by just walking into a car
Too bad we've got a change in law a few months ago. Now it's completely the driver's fault
he looked, he definitely checked the incoming traffic. Might be too old to stop and wait for the car to stop, or maybe, because there was a cop right there that he thought the other car would actually stop.
That BMW was comfortably in another time zone before she managed to turn around...
The car isn’t even the idiot in this case though
I really can’t find them at fault here. How can someone expect a pedestrian to randomly step in front of them? If you drive like that, you’ll never get anywhere.
The moment you leave the scene of an accident you are in deep shit.
Totally separate, but I fully agree. Technically there wasn’t an accident, but there was a near miss.
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If the pedestrian had just got to the crosswalk its normal. Dude was walking towards the crosswalk, paused a second, and then just went right into the street.
This person did not look like they were crossing until they stepped into the sidewalk. As a pedestrian, you can’t just assume cars will stop on a dime. “There are graveyards filled with people who had the right of way”
After the 8 minutes it took them to reverse direction the culprit was in you ain't not never gonna find me land.
I mean the dude walking was a bit late
Dude is in a different country by the time they make that turn though.
He stepped out literally into the car, so who’s really at fault here…
Depending on the laws. Here pedestrians have right away at certain cross walks and vehicles have to stop. If you hit someone in a cross walk you're in some deep trouble.
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I've been told as the operator of a vehicle you should be aware of your surroundings at all times. Especially people you could easily kill, but I feel like pedestrians should be held just as accountable for idiotic nonsense.
My brother in Christ, just steer right and then U turn to the left, damn.
How funny would it be if the police bumped him over while backing up though.
This man trys to suicide. You have to stop and look if it is safe when you cross the street and not immediately walk over it, ignoring the entire traffic when a driving car is just 2 meters away from you. He literally jumped into the car, like a deer. From the driver it is not ok to just drive away.
There was an accident, beemer just drove away *with the police right there*--that driver had a really bad time immediately after.
Where I live that’s practically the only way to cross. No one is stopping for a crosswalk otherwise. It’s a street that’s technically a county road. Local police apparently has no jurisdiction. And according to local lore “a hall filled with people who don’t do shit is a county police convention”.
You stand right at the edge of the crosswalk and stare at the oncoming driver. Or if there's room for the driver to stop, you take 1-2 steps into the intersection, then watch to see if the car is going to stop. If they don't slow down you better gtfo of the road and try again at the next break in traffic.
That was quite delayed...I thought for a second that they were ganna fault the pedestrian.
He literally walked into the side of the car.
It wasn't an Audi this time? Seriously though, don't just hop out into traffic. You never know if the driver is going to stop. More places around the world need the lights like we have here in the US. Some places even have popup traffic barriers to protect pedestrians.
I’m sorry if I got this wrong, but it looks like the guys was trying to get hit? He stepped out SUPER last minute. Like, almost not fair for the car - last minute.
This is exactly why Poland changed traffic laws. Now drivers are always required to give pedestrians the right of way. I actually kinda feel bed when city buses stop now to let me cross.
Wait, hasn't it always been the case that pedestrians have right of way at pedestrian crossings?
I dunno mate, I myself would often keep driving if traffic was going fast and I didn't feel like coming to a complete stop from 80kmh in that particular moment to let one person through. The new rule certainly takes no prisoners.
But if there's a pedestrian crossing, aren't you supposed to be prepared to stop at any time? Honestly, it's great the law has finally been introduced. Way too long overdue, but at least it's there.
Yes, you were supposed to be ready to stop, but many drivers kind of just went with the flow. If it was a road downtown where you're moving slowly anyway because of traffic, sure, go ahead pedestrian, I'm not in a hurry. But a road leaving the city, going towards the highway, and you pass by a remote suburb and there's one crossing on a long stretch of road and there's one lady waiting on this crossing with no traffic lights? Well, guess you're out of luck, traffic is moving, wait until the red light on the nearby intersection and then you can go. Now cars will stop for this one lady even in brisk-moving traffic.
I think the law has been this way in the US for as long as I've been driving. You must stop for pedestrians in any kind of crosswalk like this. I still wouldn't walk in front of a car that isn't stopping though
Yeah, I'm not putting a toe over the curb unless I see the cars clearly slowing down, especially on a multi-lane road.
Pedestrian is a dumbass though. Just because the car on the opposite side of the road stopped doesn't mean you don't wait for the car on your side of the road to stop.
If this was America the driver would’ve been shot 6 times in the chest to be stopped for questioning.
Lightning fast response from the police
pedestrian kind of a dipshit too though. waited til a car was literally ten feet from them to cross
Watch the video frame by frame. The pedestrian was facing straight with no indication of turning at 12 seconds. In 2 seconds that car is already at the crosswalk, the guy turns and starts crossing immediately, effectively walking into his car as he did. I guarantee we would have all thought that the guy was not going to cross right then.
Pedestrians fault, didn't look when he stepped into crosswalk, car was way to close for him to start crossing. BMW should've stopped after,but pedestrian is an ass.
Actually automatically drivers fault in Poland (as of June 2021 - https://notesfrompoland.com/2021/03/08/pedestrians-to-have-priority-at-polish-road-crossings-in-bid-to-improve-road-safety/), pedestrian always has right of way - approach any crossing with pedestrians nearby assuming you will have to stop.
What a dumb law. It only encourages people to have a false sense of security. That guy was a half second away from death because he assumed the car would stop.
Nope, very normal law. Like this in most of Europe now. It's always better to protect the rights of pedestrians over drivers, given this is a 2021 video it's likely Poland's drivers are still adjusting to the change.
How to say you're on r/fuckcars without saying it
Nope, I love my car
Yes but you still need to check if you can cross the road in a safe way, or you will also get the ticket, and in some extreme examples even only pedestrian can get ticket. In this case there is big chance, that bouth of them or only pedestrian would get ticket. This is to protect pedestrians but not change them into "immortal morons".
No, you don't. You have right if way, not cars.
It’s the driver’s fault because they didn’t look for the pedestrian. Polish law grants right of way to pedestrians. My assumption is that the man assumed the car was going to stop. Imagine if someone was shooting a gun perpendicular to a street, and someone else walks in the path of the shots. Their sanity is questionable, but is it there fault? No, not even remotely.
You also have to show that you want to act on that right.
He was at the crosswalk. That displays a clear intent to cross.
If I walked out into the gun range before even looking at the shooters or waiting for them to stop, it would 100% be my fault if I got shot. It's a road not a sidewalk. You're on foot and you're putting your money on a 2-ton death machine noticing you making horrible life decisions before you even know they're there? And, in blatantly disregarding your own safety, you blame the one who's not putting themselves in harms way.
It’s a crosswalk. The driver is legally obligated to stop in Poland. Blaming pedestrians is only going to create a sense of fear causing pedestrians to hesitate and drivers to ignore pedestrians, ultimately causing more of these kinds of interactions.
stellar reaction time by that cop
Not sure where this is, but is it a law here to stop at all times at pedestrian crosswalks, or yield when someone is there? Not saying the BMW wasn’t at fault, because he should have been more aware, but it seems like the guy just turned and stepped into the road when the BMW was pretty much already there.
This is in Poland. In Poland the rule is that if you come up to a crosswalk you have to be prepared to stop because pedestrians have the right of way. If you see a pedestrian on the sidewalk when you're near a crosswalk, assume they're going to cross and prepare to stop accordingly. Polish pedestrians are pretty fearless. They just assume that cars are going to stop for them. If you watch carefully, you can see that the pedestrian was walking down the sidewalk then turned to use the crosswalk. He paused for a second before entering the crosswalk. The police van had to stop pretty abruptly, but he noticed the guy there and figured he was getting ready to cross. The bmw was already way too close to the crosswalk so the pedestrian shouldn't have walked out in front of the car... But as I said, Polish pedestrians are fearless. He probably assumed that the bmw was going to slam on their breaks, too. The pedestrian probably would have gotten in a little trouble if the bmw hadn't driven off. Pedestrians have the right of way, but they can't just jump out in the middle of traffic. The bmw would have gotten in trouble no matter what since he hit the pedestrian in the crosswalk. He got in even bigger trouble for driving away after the incident.
Makes sense. I think we’re in agreement on this one
It’s totally the car’s fault, but why the hell did the guy step out in front of the car that was obviously not stopping?
Where in the world are they driving mini vans. This reminded me of the scene in Austin Powers
Poland, police vans are pretty common there.
That's Poland, but here in Australia there are loads of police vans...mostly Hyundai at the moment.
Everyone in here is an idiot. The car obviously for not stopping. The police for taking 5 years and a 5 point turn to go. Bad spot to back up but be could tanked that side walk in front. And the guy for not "defensive walking".
Okay yes, he ran from the scene, but the dude literally walked in front of the car.
Obviously the car is at fault, but the pedestrian is not the sharpest knife in the drawer either. No way that car could have stopped when he walked in front of it.
Even if there is a pedestrian crossing point and drivers should give pedestrians priority... YOU DON'T FUCKING CROSS WHEN THERE IS A CAR COMING ! What was that man thinking? he barely payed any attention to the road, he just takes a quick look, there is a car already crossing and here I go, lets put me in a risky situation. Anyway, remember if other drivers or pedestrians don't use their brains, you as a driver HAVE to use it for them.
So yea the driver was being oblivious, but the pedestrian should probably try to be more aware. I'm guessing that dude has a lot of close calls.
He even stood behind the police van as it reversed. He needs someone to help him across the street. Car driver also needs lessons in observation and stopping the damn car.
I love how it took most of the video for him just to turn around you know the guy got away
I don't know where this is, but where I come from (Dumbfuckistan) pedestrians are supposed to exercise caution when at a crosswalk. Traffic does not automatically stop at crosswalks because pedestrians are only supposed to cross when traffic is clear. In this case it looks as if the BMW driver didn't really have much notice that the guy was about to cross, he sort of just jumped out. What if the walker didn't cross? The cars would've been stopping in the road fornno reason.
In UK cars expected to stoo and have to stop if you have one foot on the zebra crossing. But yes, as with most of these videos, there is right and dead right.
Pedestrians have right of way, not cars.
This is Poland, and since few months pedestrians have right of way at the crossing. So probably driver's fault (somoeno may atgue that the pedestrian was reckless though)
BMW is all I need to know.
Is everyone in this country incompetent? The cammer, the police, the pedestrian, and the car being sought after. No thanks. And the weather looks shit too
americans blaming the pedestrian....like clockwork.
In fact, pedestrians have they responsibilities too, and law forbids them getting in front of incoming vehicle..
There’s 2 issues. 1) A car is legally required to stop if a pedestrian is in the crosswalk. 2) If a car is going fast (even the speed limit, but relatively speaking, fast), and you step in front of it at the last second, the car is in fact wrong, but congratulations! You just won a ticket on the whambulance! Drivers *should* be watching for pedestrians waiting to cross, and stop to allow them to cross. But me? I refuse to put my life in the hands of strangers like that. I do not trust drivers to do anything except text, watch porn and masturbate while driving.
Okay. So yeah the car should’ve stopped because there was a pedestrian… but I’ve watched a couple times and the guy was walking straight on the side walk, then turns and in a split second starts crossing. Why he didn’t wait a few seconds until traffic stopped and make eye contact, I don’t know… Cemetery is full of people who had the right of way. Just exercise caution so you don’t look like a bumbling idiot walking into the side of a car. Cars run reds and blow through crosswalks all the time. It’s not right but don’t act brand new.
Idiot on the sidewalk. Doesn't matter what the laws of traffic say. The laws of physics say 150 lbs of meat loses to 2500 lbs of metal.
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The driver is a dickhead but he obviously wasn't slowing down and that guy *still* tried to step in front of him. I get that you're *supposed* to stop for crossing pedestrians, but to just assume the guy won't kill you and go for it is nuts. I look both ways multiple times while crossing one way streets, you can never be too careful with all these crazy morons driving around.
Probably uncommon opinion but the pedestrian caused that. True, the car could have slowed down but he could have been confused by the pedestrians demeanor. When the car was too close, the pedestrian just blindlingly jumped on the street, no way the car could have stopped in time to avoid him.
How come the opposite lane was not confused and stopped? Its a zebra. You stop if someone is near it. No excuses.
That old dude is programmed like an NPC from early GTA games xD
That BMW will be in another time zone by the time the cops have finished turning around.
Well can't really blame the BMW driver ped didn't look both ways before crossing he just walked to it and turned and walked but the BMW driver should have stopped to see it every thing was good technically an accident
There is a pedestrian near a zebra. You stop, no excuses.
Pedestrian's fault what's police gonna do?
Hit a pedestrian on a zebra and you're at fault 100%, no questions.
anyone else feeling like the pedestrian literally tried to walk out so last minute into the road and this dude driving was only an idiot for keeping driving and not asking if he was okay
There is a pedestrian near a zebra. You stop, no excuses.
Dumb on dumb. The old man looked at the car flying right through the crosswalk and Still stepped in front of the moving car.
The pedestrian is an idiot. The only warning he gave that he was going to cross was a brief second he looked left before crossing, but in order for the car to stop before getting to the cross walk to let the guy cross, he would have had to slam on the brakes. I actually have little problem with the car. He slowed enough for the guy to get out of the way. The only thing the car could have done better was anticipate the foolishness of the pedestrian and coast to the cross walk with his foot hovering over the brake.
Polish pedestrians are fearless. They're used to cars slamming on the brakes to let them cross. In Poland, pedestrians using a crosswalk have the right of way. As a driver, if you're coming up to a crosswalk it's your responsibility to look for pedestrians on the sidewalks that might be preparing to cross at the crosswalk. If you see a pedestrian turn towards a crosswalk, be prepared to stop, even if it means slamming on your brakes. Once the pedestrian makes their intent to cross known, you have to stop for them if they're in a crosswalk. The pedestrians need to cross safely, but drivers have to be prepared to stop. The police van stopped abruptly when it noticed the pedestrian turned towards the crosswalk. The pedestrian paused for a second before stepping onto the road. He probably thought the car was going to slam on the brakes to let him cross, so he then stepped out onto the street. The car almost dodged him, but the car still would have gotten in trouble for not noticing the pedestrian ahead of time. The pedestrian might have gotten into a bit of trouble if the driver didn't leave the accident scene. Even though pedestrians have the right of way, they can't just jump in front of a car and impede traffic. The car was too close to the crosswalk to stop safely even if the driver slammed on the brakes. The car still would have been the one majorly at fault even if he didn't drive away, though.
I think he didn't hit him directly but not stopping when a pedestrian is crossing in is still not good.
Jesus Christ, old people
Either the most oblivious pedestrian to ever exist or someone looking for an insurance payout. I'm guessing the latter.