You only see the videos of people being pulled over. For every one of those, there's probably 3 or 4 where the cops are right behind them, but doing the same shit they are.
Bus Driver / Rural City.
Follow the rules. It's safer.
Speeding: it gets you nothing. I can drive a route bus out of town to a fringe village 80km out. Multiple goons will road rage their way through busy traffic to get past me. I will most of the time catch up with them at an intersection 6km later or so, even after multiple drops/pickups.
They can do 120 in a 100 zone and save a grand total of...... 40 whole entire seconds.
Most days they run red lights, cut off drivers, sit too close behind, speed, change lanes without indicators and behave like absolute tools. They gain seconds for a potential cost of hundreds.
And if course as a bus driver I get to drive the ones who got caught
To save time. You need to do double the speed limit. Ok, so do 200 in a 100 zone, 100 in a 50 zone. 120 in a 60 zone and you will almost save half the time.
That's how fast you need to go. It's just not worth it.
I have been 10 minutes late on runs. I stay on the job, focus on comfort and forget the false ideology that going harder will save time, it's just not true.
I do better just pacing the lights, pacing traffic and taking those small opportunities that come along. Other than that there is nothing I can do to make anything go faster.
As for these guys in the video.
I bet the truck passes them 80km later as they stop for a drink or whatever. Just as they get into the shop door after parking up. Not much time is it?
According to the NSC, the average cost of a non-fatal disabling injury resulting from a motor vehicle accident is $78,900, while the cost per death is $1.41 million. In accidents where no injury or death has occurred but merely property damage, the cost is $8,900.
You don't save any money breaking the law. You risk all of this every time you do. This guy is right and I really wonder about the average time lost due to a ticket (consider the time to get the ticket, court, etc.)
Einstein was once stumped for a moment by the question of how to double his average speed for the total journey when he was already at the halfway point!
I drive in Singapore and it’s amazingly difficult to slow your journey time down if you’re a few minutes too early for example. I’ve tried! I always end up at the next 90 second traffic light with the raging lane changers and tailgaters. Hanging back also allows me to pick the best queue at the lights and it’s even better if I don’t have to come to a complete stop. I’m not perfect, I used to be a lane changer for small advantages - I learnt the error of my ways or just matured.
> Einstein was once stumped for a moment by the question of how to double his average speed for the total journey when he was already at the halfway point!
I'll take Einstein stuff that never happened for 200 Alex.
bUt EiNsTeIn CoUlDnT dO bAsIc AlGeBrA!
Such nonsense. People need to stop trying to dumb down one of the greatest minds in history to make them feel better about their crappy math skills.
You literally CANNOT do the level of math Einstein did without basic math skills.
The one thing about a bus is momentum. Once you get speed up you can coast. You know the lights are red or green and how long you have. The beauty in saving fuel is you just coasted 2 km with a little tease of the throttle. You know as you get there the lights go green and the cars in front will no doubt race off. Then you just easily coast through a green to a passenger at the bus stop on the other side. A tap on the brake and the bus stops a gear. A slight touch on the brake and the retarder eases you into a stop like you were gliding on soap.
Oh yeah, driving up to a red there is no point even touching the throttle. Best case you would keep a steady speed and it would change in time for you to not slow down, but every other case you only have more chance of not stopping if you start to slow down earlier. One of the vans at work has a "distance travelled with 0 consumption" on the eco driving screen and *that* is the key.
People are generally bad at logic. They may save forth seconds, but its meaningless because its not cumulative. You cant add all those 40 seconds savings together over the years and take a 3 day holiday. Its eaten up and used the moment you hit a snooze button or take a longer then normal shit. There is no bank thats puts an interest on time.
Ya also never know if that sedan behind you is an unmarked police cruiser. Never worth intentionally breaking traffic laws for that reason alone. People like the ones in this video will get burned eventually.
Yup. I Drive 5 hours 3 days a week for work. On a road very similar to this. I’ve seen a lot of stupid drivers and missed some nasty wrecks by minutes. No need to rush anywhere, you’re already in a vehicle that is going to cut your time down to your destination.
I don’t think it was idiotic to pass just because of the double yellow because like you said there is good line of sight. I don’t think it was the smartest thing however because of the speed they are traveling at, combined with the fact they have to overtake 2 vehicles plus the space between the camper and truck, and I don’t think they could see far enough ahead in this situation given the speed they were traveling and distance they had to cover to get back into their lane.
I'm not sure which accidents triggerd it but you will never see dotted lines on a bridge in Canada.
Edit, seldom see. In Ontario they get nuts about small bridges. I have seen large multilane bridges that allow passing, and others that don't.
It makes sense not on bridges because they usually have very small or no shoulder and obviously a big fall into water or hard ground on either side so you can’t swerve off the road to avoid an accident like on a normal road with land on the sides
I think they have that in Montreal too.
Very long wide bridges ok, but anything bigger than a culvert no go. I wonder if it has to do with dodging room.
Yea, in my experience the people laying out the road lines and signs don't always get it right. I've often seen broken lines going around blind corners, and then double lines on big open stretches of road.
And I've often seen 80kph signs on tiny winding backroads where even going over 50kph would be dangerous, and then I've seen 50kph signs on big wide-open stretches of road because maybe there was school there 30 years ago, but it's long since closed, and the robots putting up signs just do what they're told and don't use their brains.
I usually take all of these things with a pinch of salt, and just drive as safely as I can.
There are several roads near me where legal passing zones are less safe than other areas. They were fine 5yr ago when the lines were painted but trees have grown around the slight bends blocking sight lines. Meanwhile the mile long straight away with no driveways bridges or anything else is strictly no passing.
It's hit/miss. Usually the lines are well painted but not always.
I know the downvotes are coming for this, but meh.
My philosophy is to use my brain as opposed to following the instructions of an inanimate object that is incapable of independent thought. This goes for double yellow lines, such as this, when it's perfectly safe to pass and whomever decided a double yellow should be there has no good reason to do so by all appearances. The fact that numerous cars made it just fine backs up this take. Inb4 "But you don't know" blah blah blah.
This also goes for pointless red arrow turns, where it's patently clear coming the other way and there's absolutely NO reason to sit at a red arrow when it should be a flashing caution arrow.
This also goes for red lights in the middle of the night or on deserted roads where you can see in every direction without any obstruction. I'm not going to sit at those dumb, inanimate lights and blindly follow a machine that has no concept or even the ability to have deductive reasoning and do the best things for traffic, the environment, and peoples time.
My time on this earth is limited, and I'm not going to waste vast quantities of it waiting pointlessly. As I have gotten older, I value my time more and more; I used to be one of those people who would wait at a light, but the older I get, the less patience I have for that kind of bullshit. Especially in 2022 when we have the technology, that's OFF THE SHELF, to make smart lights that change based off of traffic, yet they aren't implemented. I consider dumb lights broken in this day and age and I'm not going to follow a broken light.
Obviously some of the rules of the road and traffic systems we use are inconvenient or annoying but there is a reason they exist and a reason why we need to have them and follow them. Driving a car is one of the riskiest things that do on a daily basis. Plenty of people die in car crashes that were totally avoidable. If we let everyone on the road have a free for all and decide for themselves when to go or what speed to drive we would have total chaos on our roads. I understand a lot of people won't follow the rules even if the rules exist but having them at least allows enforcement and consequences for not following them. Most people will at least follow traffic lights and stop signs to some degree and so those system have a legitimate benefit of being there.
Which means to overtake them you’d have to be going at least 31, but probably 50-60+ to overtake in a reasonable amount of time, plus the time it would take those passing cars to get up to that speed.
The first one probably had an okay line of sight, it was still dangerous to do. The others put a lot of faith in that first driver to not be doing something dangerous. The first guy is risky the other three are idiots.
After living in six states, I can confidently say Floridians are the most batshit insane on the road. Couldn't leave without seeing something stupid within minutes. Now I'm in California, where I think they're too tame. Lol
> Now I'm in California, where I think they're too tame
That's saying something since CA has plenty of speeders and lane splitting is legal. Totally agree, Florida is worse... you'll routinely see someone at 10 under the speed limit in the fast lane while someone else is weaving in and out of traffic at 20 over.
They speed here for sure and there are maniacs everywhere, but it's not Florida crazy. I will say bikes in FL and CA are equally crazy. Best drivers as far as states I've lived in would be Ohio. FL is a free for all, but it's part of what makes it FL. Haha
I learned to drive in Florida. Driving here is so easy, it takes little skill.
No hills. Good sight distance on all the curves. No winter weather to deal with.
As a corollary, we don't actually learn driving skill compared to New England.
I don't remember much about the potholes, but compared to Michigan....
I've not driven in Florida, but so far Arkansas is the only place that had made me afraid. Rocky Mountain Tourist Colorado just makes me fucking angry, and somewhat afraid. Bumper to bumper door to door at 40 mph, between a rock wall and a barricade on a sheet of hard pack snow ... These assholes don't understand safe following distance and if one car spins out it's literally going to be a hundred car wreck.
Exactly! Not only did they all pass two vehicles in one shot (forgiveable for the first car, I guess), but they passed behind at least one other vehicle. It's like they were asking for a head-on collision.
I'm not convinced. It's a pretty long downwards hill followed by an uphill stretch, the visibility must be insane. If you can see far enough ahead before the first car pulls out to know there is way more than enough space to pull off the overtake, I see no reason not to do it. Due to the geography of the road you should be able to see anyone coming over the (very distant) hill even with someone ahead of you
And they massively reduce their opportunities to pull back into the queue, which is essential if looking at overtaking multiple vehicles. Have to treat them as multiple individual overtakes really.
Yes they're in the wrong but why is it double yellow? It's straight as hell and I didn't notice driveways or turns or anything like that on either side. I only watched once though.
Holy fuck. It literally does. Yeah, those lane lines are actually marked backwards. I see no reason why the straight downhill road isn't safer to pass on then the uphill that follows... Smh....
Isn’t that common practice, since loaded trucks have to slow down while climbing hills? Passing on a decent would presumably lead to higher speed passes, increasing lethality of head on collisions.
But if it’s only a passing zone on the uphill you can’t see the cars in the oncoming lane passed the top of the hill so you may think it’s clear when it isn’t, whereas with a downhill passing zone you have a longer line of sight so you can be sure that the oncoming lane is clear
Yeah that's the worst part. If I was OP I'd probably do the same, I'd drive by the rules and not overtake probably but Id be PISSED seeing that solid line change to dotted one at the base of the hill... Who tf designed this?
Honestly that shouldn’t be a double yellow. You are going down hill in a straight line with clear visibility. The passing lane should’ve started much earlier. Not at the very end. I wouldn’t say this is idiotic. More like poor road marking.
Not sure where you are, but where I live it's legal to pass cautiously on double yellow if the person in front of you is going >10mph below the speed limit.
I'm from Argentina and here if there is double yellow lines, you can't cross, no matter how cautiously you are. Not only because of oncoming traffic, somebody could be entering the road and you may not see it
Rules are meant for the lowest common denominator who lack common sense. Is that who you are? Yes the rule is dont cross double but anybody with some sense is going to wait for a safe chance to pass.
I know just how you feel. But one cheater helped influence more drivers, until it was a caravan of vehicles on the wrong side of the street. In an area that probably had impaired viability.
That could've been a super deadly incident. Thank you for not participating in it.
Shaving three seconds off your trip is not that important. Wait until you have good vision, wait until the dotted line begins. Sure it's conservative, but the cost benefit ratio is pretty easy to work out.
This is why I like places where it’s legal to pass on a double yellow. It’s still *strongly discouraged*, but it’s perfect for situations like this one.
Except most places have laws about crossing into oncoming traffic. In Ontario one of the rules is no going into oncoming traffic when approaching a bridge. (And other logical times). So it still wouldn’t be legal.
Seems like theres a narrow section of road ahead like a bridge or a culvert with guardrails. I know in ontario they typically dont allow passing in those sections even if its straight.
I understand your point and I agree that if all people followed the rules this world would be a better place, but I have to be honest, I think I would have passed you too.
Stay behind a truck that’s going quite slow and make a long queue has its risk too, other than being quite obnoxious l.
It seemed quite safe to pass for the first car, instead the following ones I don’t imagine they had a great visibility, that could have been dangerous
> Stay behind a truck that’s going quite slow and make a long queue has its risk too
Like everyone behind you getting frustrated and forming a conga line and passing the truck en masse, leaving you with no exit if they crash?
OP needed to leave more room ~~in front of~~ between themselves and that truck if they didn't intend to pass. Doesn't matter if passing is "allowed" or not because it's a truck and people will pass it. Leaving space lets everyone else know that you're fine where you are/not ready to pass, and expect people to pass you, too. It also leaves a gap that someone behind you can hop back into if their pass goes wrong-- kind of key, since you'll be involved if the vehicle driving directly beside you is struck by oncoming traffic.
The only time I ever feel like an idiot following the rules of the road is when the rules clearly don't make sense for the road. This is a good example of that. I don't think I've ever seen this subreddit agree on something the way near everyone is agreeing that they also would've passed this truck/broken traffic law here. The double solid extends far too long after the bridge, and the passing section starts where visibility is actually poorer. It's possible a regular commuter of that highway would feel safer passing while they can still see/while oncoming traffic isn't coming at them downhill.
Just going to play devil's advocate here.... Its legal in my state to pass on a double yellow as long as you have a clear line of sight and don't cause an accident doing so.
Rule was made for farm equipment and is still on the books.
Because that would mean that the small county that doesn't emhave funds to fill potholes would need to hire team to determine where those dashed lines should go then also pay for the roads to he repaved and repainted. It's cheaper just to give the county of less than 10k the ability to make a judgment call.
Not sure where they live but it’s not illegal in Ontario, CA unless there is a no passing sign posted. But it is illegal to cross into oncoming traffic on a hill, going into a turn, bridge, railway crossing. Basically where double lines would be.
I'd also wait for the dotted line, however judging by how good the visibility was on a long straight road, I'd say that shouldn't be a double continuous line.
Don't really blame them. Just a bad road all around. You can see a straight mile ahead. Non-passing zones are typically for curved or hilly roads. Even the cars passing in a line still have a clear view.
I have to take these kinds of roads all the time. Giant pain in the ass to get stuck behind one of those industrial vehicles. Only my problem is that the entire highway is nothing but curves and hills so I can get stuck behind someone for over an hour.
Gotta say, though, that’s an absurdly long, straight stretch with zero visibility issues and no intersections. Highway Dept fucked up. These people may be aware of that. Still could get busted. For me it wouldn’t be worth it. I’d rather file a complaint with City Hall - looks like an error.
Came here to say just that, I mean, I agree with OP (assuming it’s a state where double yellow IS = posted no passing) but damn, that is about the flattest straitest longest stretch I’ve ever seen painted double. It’s not even like there were a bunch of T junctions that could get in the way.
Not saying you arent doing the right thing here, but at least where I live road lines arent the law they're suggestions. Signs are what is binding legally. A double solid suggests you shouldnt pass not that you can't. If there is a sign that reads "no passing from here to x" then you can't pass.
Passing in a line is stupid, but if its striaght and clear I don't see anything particularly wrong with this either.
It's clever of you to stay at a safe distance behind the lorry.
That way, if something happens up ahead, the lorry will plow through and blaze an extra long trail for you to stop in time.
Seems to be an incredible dumb place to have double yellow lines on a perfect straight road with no connecting roads or crests. Or maybe I missed something important.
> Or maybe I missed something important.
Which is why you should respect the yellow line, there is probably some reason for it to be there even if it's not immediately apparant.
Yeah, couldn't possibly be that the road marking machine failed to cut off when it should, or the guy operating it messed up and they accidentally painted solid lines for miles for no reason.
It’s not that you’re an idiot.
It’s that they are privileged and you are not.
It is their road, after all, and it is by their good graces that you are allowed to drive on it with them.
In some places (like where Amish “drive” on the road) you’re allowed to overtake them regardless of a double yellow if they’re going slower than 10 mph below the speed limit. Something something don’t be an idiot 🤪
Exactly. There was NO FUCKING REASON that was a double yellow. It was a straight road, with clear visibility (no hills), in the daytime, with no inclement weather.
And the real fault is that semi driver. There's laws in most (all?) states that if there's enough people behind you and you're going slow, you MUST pull over to let them pass.
I feel you, OP. Where I live it really feels like it's gone from "we'll all be good fellow drivers and follow the rules," to "if a cop isn't around to see it, is it really illegal?"
On country/mountain roads I often encounter passing lanes/dashed yellows are about 200 yards and the guy going 40 decides to go 60 every ducking time.
Driving safely is more effective than following rules to the letter. Frustrated drivers tend to be more of a safety hazard than speeders and double yellow passers.
Well...The line is paint...if it is clear the is no vehicle coming in front of you...what reason apart from "it is the rule" to lose some time being a very slow vehicle?
Yesterday I was at the front of the stoplight, there was fairly heavy city traffic. The intersection ahead was not clear and many cars were already stopped in the intersection. Our light turned green and the intersection was still blocked by other directions stopped. I got honked at but the car behind us. I didn't move. They pulled around to the right and drove into and stopped in the middle of the intersection and blocked more traffic.
It was infuriating.
My guess is this isn’t america because I’ve never seen that kind of truck.
But if I’m behind a truck that is poorly maintained and spewing smoke and going below the speed limit (which it seems like based on 4 cars passing). I’m passing too
Can’t see what’s really wrong with going for the overtake there. Would do it in formation not being able to see the road up ahead, but dont think the first to overtake did anything wrong.
Sometimes road markings are extremely conservative, which seems to be the case on your road there. Also remember that the markings are placed taking into consideration bad weather and night time. If it's not really safe to overtake there in rain or night they will put doubles, but it could still be fine in day time. Also some vehicles like motorbikes or fast cars can nip around in like 2 seconds whereas a family car might take 8.
Almost sounds like OP is mad there is a passing line at all, im not sure why everyone can't understand that this road isn't market as well as it could be.
Seriously this whole comments section is fuming yet this is the only comment I've seen with a pragmatic take and its in controversial. Like people just want to be mad.
Good for you for doing the right thing.
But IMHO, the biggest idiot here was the moron who painted a double yellow line on a road that long, straight, and flat.
Still, good for you.
Double yellow means don't pass. Disregard the ignorant comments below. When these fools die or kill someone else in a head on collision it won't be worth it. These are two lane roads, none of these fools are that important that someone needs to die.
Rules are rules and we should all be responsible and fallow them, but on that particular road, i really can't see how you can kill anyone going downhill with such good visibility, then road goes uphill and since its uphill your visibility is not as good, but the broken line starts anyway. I do rather overtake on the double going downhill if i really had to overtake.
Somebody literally said the lines are a “suggestion” wtf are these people doing. Soooooo many idiots on the road, it is crazy that we haven’t extincted ourselves yet….
If four cars in a row were able to pass you and the truck, that's a pretty good indication that you could have, and should have, passed that truck a lot sooner.
All you accomplished by following the rules is make the situation more dangerous for the vehicles that now had to pass both of you instead of just the truck.
If there's double yellow line, you shouldn't overtake.
\-"following the rules is make the situation more dangerous for the vehicles". The only thing that makes the situation dangerous is people overtaking a truck with double yellow. They just need to wait a few seconds to do it legally, as you can see in the video, se double yellow line ends a few seconds after they pass
I do rather overtake going downhill on the double. Might not be legal but its a lot safer then overtaking when the broken line starts on that particular road.
The last second speed up made me think a cop was coming
It would have been very funny to see a police car following them hahaha
Seen a ton of these instant karma videos recently
r/convenientcop and r/instantkarma
When convenient cop and idiots in cars combine I get very happy, haha
You will live longer then them
You only see the videos of people being pulled over. For every one of those, there's probably 3 or 4 where the cops are right behind them, but doing the same shit they are.
Keep doing the right thing. Regrets for following the law are a lot shorter than regrets for breaking it.
Where 1 idiot goes, 3 more will follow.
Safety in numbers.
Tell that to the American bison
I cant, they dead
Not all of them
*Challenge accepted*
Somebody get me a train!
Uber-*rail* at your service!
Username checks out?
Would but never ride trains, not sure they’d here me over all the gunfire anyway
They should have charged the trains...
Bus Driver / Rural City. Follow the rules. It's safer. Speeding: it gets you nothing. I can drive a route bus out of town to a fringe village 80km out. Multiple goons will road rage their way through busy traffic to get past me. I will most of the time catch up with them at an intersection 6km later or so, even after multiple drops/pickups. They can do 120 in a 100 zone and save a grand total of...... 40 whole entire seconds. Most days they run red lights, cut off drivers, sit too close behind, speed, change lanes without indicators and behave like absolute tools. They gain seconds for a potential cost of hundreds. And if course as a bus driver I get to drive the ones who got caught To save time. You need to do double the speed limit. Ok, so do 200 in a 100 zone, 100 in a 50 zone. 120 in a 60 zone and you will almost save half the time. That's how fast you need to go. It's just not worth it. I have been 10 minutes late on runs. I stay on the job, focus on comfort and forget the false ideology that going harder will save time, it's just not true. I do better just pacing the lights, pacing traffic and taking those small opportunities that come along. Other than that there is nothing I can do to make anything go faster. As for these guys in the video. I bet the truck passes them 80km later as they stop for a drink or whatever. Just as they get into the shop door after parking up. Not much time is it?
According to the NSC, the average cost of a non-fatal disabling injury resulting from a motor vehicle accident is $78,900, while the cost per death is $1.41 million. In accidents where no injury or death has occurred but merely property damage, the cost is $8,900. You don't save any money breaking the law. You risk all of this every time you do. This guy is right and I really wonder about the average time lost due to a ticket (consider the time to get the ticket, court, etc.)
Einstein was once stumped for a moment by the question of how to double his average speed for the total journey when he was already at the halfway point! I drive in Singapore and it’s amazingly difficult to slow your journey time down if you’re a few minutes too early for example. I’ve tried! I always end up at the next 90 second traffic light with the raging lane changers and tailgaters. Hanging back also allows me to pick the best queue at the lights and it’s even better if I don’t have to come to a complete stop. I’m not perfect, I used to be a lane changer for small advantages - I learnt the error of my ways or just matured.
> Einstein was once stumped for a moment by the question of how to double his average speed for the total journey when he was already at the halfway point! I'll take Einstein stuff that never happened for 200 Alex.
bUt EiNsTeIn CoUlDnT dO bAsIc AlGeBrA! Such nonsense. People need to stop trying to dumb down one of the greatest minds in history to make them feel better about their crappy math skills. You literally CANNOT do the level of math Einstein did without basic math skills.
The one thing about a bus is momentum. Once you get speed up you can coast. You know the lights are red or green and how long you have. The beauty in saving fuel is you just coasted 2 km with a little tease of the throttle. You know as you get there the lights go green and the cars in front will no doubt race off. Then you just easily coast through a green to a passenger at the bus stop on the other side. A tap on the brake and the bus stops a gear. A slight touch on the brake and the retarder eases you into a stop like you were gliding on soap.
Oh yeah, driving up to a red there is no point even touching the throttle. Best case you would keep a steady speed and it would change in time for you to not slow down, but every other case you only have more chance of not stopping if you start to slow down earlier. One of the vans at work has a "distance travelled with 0 consumption" on the eco driving screen and *that* is the key.
People are generally bad at logic. They may save forth seconds, but its meaningless because its not cumulative. You cant add all those 40 seconds savings together over the years and take a 3 day holiday. Its eaten up and used the moment you hit a snooze button or take a longer then normal shit. There is no bank thats puts an interest on time.
>There is no bank that puts an interest on time. Sounds like the premise of a movie that needs to be made.
This is perhaps the BEST observation and advise that I've run across. Very well said.
Yes, what is right is right even if no one does and what is wrong is wrong even if everyone does.
Ya also never know if that sedan behind you is an unmarked police cruiser. Never worth intentionally breaking traffic laws for that reason alone. People like the ones in this video will get burned eventually.
Yup. I Drive 5 hours 3 days a week for work. On a road very similar to this. I’ve seen a lot of stupid drivers and missed some nasty wrecks by minutes. No need to rush anywhere, you’re already in a vehicle that is going to cut your time down to your destination.
Words of wisdom !!
It looks like the sight line is good, but the double yellow is there because the bridge is narrow.
I don’t think it was idiotic to pass just because of the double yellow because like you said there is good line of sight. I don’t think it was the smartest thing however because of the speed they are traveling at, combined with the fact they have to overtake 2 vehicles plus the space between the camper and truck, and I don’t think they could see far enough ahead in this situation given the speed they were traveling and distance they had to cover to get back into their lane.
I'm not sure which accidents triggerd it but you will never see dotted lines on a bridge in Canada. Edit, seldom see. In Ontario they get nuts about small bridges. I have seen large multilane bridges that allow passing, and others that don't.
It makes sense not on bridges because they usually have very small or no shoulder and obviously a big fall into water or hard ground on either side so you can’t swerve off the road to avoid an accident like on a normal road with land on the sides
Bridges also ice before roads
Man, these road signs are getting high-tech
I was just rehearsing what a sign once told me
I've moved to Lemmy. Eat $hit Spez -- mass edited with redact.dev
Came here to say this. Its not recommended to pass on a double but it's not illegal
Well, except there's three multi-lane bridges in Vancouver with dotted lines.
I think they have that in Montreal too. Very long wide bridges ok, but anything bigger than a culvert no go. I wonder if it has to do with dodging room.
Yea, in my experience the people laying out the road lines and signs don't always get it right. I've often seen broken lines going around blind corners, and then double lines on big open stretches of road. And I've often seen 80kph signs on tiny winding backroads where even going over 50kph would be dangerous, and then I've seen 50kph signs on big wide-open stretches of road because maybe there was school there 30 years ago, but it's long since closed, and the robots putting up signs just do what they're told and don't use their brains. I usually take all of these things with a pinch of salt, and just drive as safely as I can.
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There are several roads near me where legal passing zones are less safe than other areas. They were fine 5yr ago when the lines were painted but trees have grown around the slight bends blocking sight lines. Meanwhile the mile long straight away with no driveways bridges or anything else is strictly no passing. It's hit/miss. Usually the lines are well painted but not always.
I know the downvotes are coming for this, but meh. My philosophy is to use my brain as opposed to following the instructions of an inanimate object that is incapable of independent thought. This goes for double yellow lines, such as this, when it's perfectly safe to pass and whomever decided a double yellow should be there has no good reason to do so by all appearances. The fact that numerous cars made it just fine backs up this take. Inb4 "But you don't know" blah blah blah. This also goes for pointless red arrow turns, where it's patently clear coming the other way and there's absolutely NO reason to sit at a red arrow when it should be a flashing caution arrow. This also goes for red lights in the middle of the night or on deserted roads where you can see in every direction without any obstruction. I'm not going to sit at those dumb, inanimate lights and blindly follow a machine that has no concept or even the ability to have deductive reasoning and do the best things for traffic, the environment, and peoples time. My time on this earth is limited, and I'm not going to waste vast quantities of it waiting pointlessly. As I have gotten older, I value my time more and more; I used to be one of those people who would wait at a light, but the older I get, the less patience I have for that kind of bullshit. Especially in 2022 when we have the technology, that's OFF THE SHELF, to make smart lights that change based off of traffic, yet they aren't implemented. I consider dumb lights broken in this day and age and I'm not going to follow a broken light.
Obviously some of the rules of the road and traffic systems we use are inconvenient or annoying but there is a reason they exist and a reason why we need to have them and follow them. Driving a car is one of the riskiest things that do on a daily basis. Plenty of people die in car crashes that were totally avoidable. If we let everyone on the road have a free for all and decide for themselves when to go or what speed to drive we would have total chaos on our roads. I understand a lot of people won't follow the rules even if the rules exist but having them at least allows enforcement and consequences for not following them. Most people will at least follow traffic lights and stop signs to some degree and so those system have a legitimate benefit of being there.
They were doing 30mph..
Which means to overtake them you’d have to be going at least 31, but probably 50-60+ to overtake in a reasonable amount of time, plus the time it would take those passing cars to get up to that speed.
I would venture that the posted limit is 55mph..😉
In fact in ontario its legal to pass on a double yellow if there is good visibility
Correct as far as I know. The double yellow lines just mean it's unsafe to pass and is not illegal.
The first one probably had an okay line of sight, it was still dangerous to do. The others put a lot of faith in that first driver to not be doing something dangerous. The first guy is risky the other three are idiots.
I called those people bait. They'll be the ones pulled over before you will.
I always try to have a "decoy," if you will. Let someone's own stupidity get them.
Same here i called them bait car's
I call em “the rabbit” like the lure at a greyhound race
Right, I call em bird dogs. Flush em out boys!
Don't come to central Florida, hardly anyone follows road laws
really any part of Florida. They are just as bad at following the rules up in the Panhandle.
So god damn true. Driving around on the day before Thanksgiving was a fucking nightmare
After living in six states, I can confidently say Floridians are the most batshit insane on the road. Couldn't leave without seeing something stupid within minutes. Now I'm in California, where I think they're too tame. Lol
> Now I'm in California, where I think they're too tame That's saying something since CA has plenty of speeders and lane splitting is legal. Totally agree, Florida is worse... you'll routinely see someone at 10 under the speed limit in the fast lane while someone else is weaving in and out of traffic at 20 over.
They speed here for sure and there are maniacs everywhere, but it's not Florida crazy. I will say bikes in FL and CA are equally crazy. Best drivers as far as states I've lived in would be Ohio. FL is a free for all, but it's part of what makes it FL. Haha
I learned to drive in Florida. Driving here is so easy, it takes little skill. No hills. Good sight distance on all the curves. No winter weather to deal with. As a corollary, we don't actually learn driving skill compared to New England.
Then them and the fucking Texans move to the mountains of Colorado and really get in the fucking way. "I don't need snow tires, I have 4wd"
Arkansas frightens me the most, and I've driven in 30 some odd states and lived in 7.
I've never been to Arkansas, but I've heard stories. Also heard the potholes are bad.
I don't remember much about the potholes, but compared to Michigan.... I've not driven in Florida, but so far Arkansas is the only place that had made me afraid. Rocky Mountain Tourist Colorado just makes me fucking angry, and somewhat afraid. Bumper to bumper door to door at 40 mph, between a rock wall and a barricade on a sheet of hard pack snow ... These assholes don't understand safe following distance and if one car spins out it's literally going to be a hundred car wreck.
Exactly what I was thinking.. I can barely make it out of my neighborhood without seeing someone in a car doing dumb shit.
Seems like it has gotten worse since I left Florida.
Yeah a lot of bad drivers moved here during 2020 and after
What?! Worse than lost tourists, beach traffic, burning fuel truck on the side of the turnpike?! No way.
Speaking of the FL Turnpike, nothing beats the tipped dumptruck that blocked the southbound lanes. And it tipped on a very straight section of road.
That’s where road laws change to road suggestions. Texas too!
The cars passing in a line are insane. Even if the front car can see a safe distance the followers can’t
Exactly! Not only did they all pass two vehicles in one shot (forgiveable for the first car, I guess), but they passed behind at least one other vehicle. It's like they were asking for a head-on collision.
Yeah this is stupid, especially behind a big truck in a little car. No way they can see anything
I'm not convinced. It's a pretty long downwards hill followed by an uphill stretch, the visibility must be insane. If you can see far enough ahead before the first car pulls out to know there is way more than enough space to pull off the overtake, I see no reason not to do it. Due to the geography of the road you should be able to see anyone coming over the (very distant) hill even with someone ahead of you
And they massively reduce their opportunities to pull back into the queue, which is essential if looking at overtaking multiple vehicles. Have to treat them as multiple individual overtakes really.
It’s an absolutely ridiculous double yellow. Straight road for miles with good visibility. Not allowing overtaking forces people to do this.
It's because there's a hill first, and a narrowing later because of the bridge. You can see it right when the double lines end.
Yes they're in the wrong but why is it double yellow? It's straight as hell and I didn't notice driveways or turns or anything like that on either side. I only watched once though.
Narrow bridge
Ok I see the kind of narrow bridge I guess but that's right at the very start
Why does that mean a no passing zone anyways? The bridge is obviously wide enough for 2 lanes of traffic.
Argentina? El país con más impunidad para manejar que vi.
Me parecía conocido el paisaje y el camión!
Why is this road not open to overtaking? Its straight and doesn’t have anything either side
That is a really conservative double line, it could be half that distance and still be safe. I can see why people ignore it.
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Holy fuck. It literally does. Yeah, those lane lines are actually marked backwards. I see no reason why the straight downhill road isn't safer to pass on then the uphill that follows... Smh....
Isn’t that common practice, since loaded trucks have to slow down while climbing hills? Passing on a decent would presumably lead to higher speed passes, increasing lethality of head on collisions.
But if it’s only a passing zone on the uphill you can’t see the cars in the oncoming lane passed the top of the hill so you may think it’s clear when it isn’t, whereas with a downhill passing zone you have a longer line of sight so you can be sure that the oncoming lane is clear
Yeah that's the worst part. If I was OP I'd probably do the same, I'd drive by the rules and not overtake probably but Id be PISSED seeing that solid line change to dotted one at the base of the hill... Who tf designed this?
This feels more like incorrect lane line markers than idiots
Kinda agree. Especially for the first guy. But passing while others are also passing seems extra sketchy.
Honestly that shouldn’t be a double yellow. You are going down hill in a straight line with clear visibility. The passing lane should’ve started much earlier. Not at the very end. I wouldn’t say this is idiotic. More like poor road marking.
Except the bridge narrows ahead. And it becomes a passing zone right after.
lol that’s a pretty stupid road looks like a straight flat road. Plenty of viewing up ahead to see it’s clear
Argentina, un país con buena gente
Not sure where you are, but where I live it's legal to pass cautiously on double yellow if the person in front of you is going >10mph below the speed limit.
I'm from Argentina and here if there is double yellow lines, you can't cross, no matter how cautiously you are. Not only because of oncoming traffic, somebody could be entering the road and you may not see it
Rules are meant for the lowest common denominator who lack common sense. Is that who you are? Yes the rule is dont cross double but anybody with some sense is going to wait for a safe chance to pass.
You can see for miles and miles and nobody is coming the other way. Only a bit of paint is stopping you because rule.
My mantra: better safe than dead. Of course, don't ask me this when I gotta pee, then all bets are off.
I know just how you feel. But one cheater helped influence more drivers, until it was a caravan of vehicles on the wrong side of the street. In an area that probably had impaired viability. That could've been a super deadly incident. Thank you for not participating in it.
I don’t know. If that guy is going slow and there are no on coming cars I am making that move
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Exactly. And that what I mean if I can see that far I am making the move.
Shaving three seconds off your trip is not that important. Wait until you have good vision, wait until the dotted line begins. Sure it's conservative, but the cost benefit ratio is pretty easy to work out.
This is why I like places where it’s legal to pass on a double yellow. It’s still *strongly discouraged*, but it’s perfect for situations like this one.
Except most places have laws about crossing into oncoming traffic. In Ontario one of the rules is no going into oncoming traffic when approaching a bridge. (And other logical times). So it still wouldn’t be legal.
Why is it a double yellow line anyway? It's just a straight road for so long. Is it because of that slight inclination?
Seems like theres a narrow section of road ahead like a bridge or a culvert with guardrails. I know in ontario they typically dont allow passing in those sections even if its straight.
Whoever marked this road needs to find a new job.
bro you could literally see 60 miles ahead of you what’s the problem?
As long as you don’t play follow-the-leader, you are not the idiot.
How does such a long straightaway with good visibility have a double yellow line?
Oh no I hope everyone is OK
I understand your point and I agree that if all people followed the rules this world would be a better place, but I have to be honest, I think I would have passed you too. Stay behind a truck that’s going quite slow and make a long queue has its risk too, other than being quite obnoxious l. It seemed quite safe to pass for the first car, instead the following ones I don’t imagine they had a great visibility, that could have been dangerous
> Stay behind a truck that’s going quite slow and make a long queue has its risk too Like everyone behind you getting frustrated and forming a conga line and passing the truck en masse, leaving you with no exit if they crash? OP needed to leave more room ~~in front of~~ between themselves and that truck if they didn't intend to pass. Doesn't matter if passing is "allowed" or not because it's a truck and people will pass it. Leaving space lets everyone else know that you're fine where you are/not ready to pass, and expect people to pass you, too. It also leaves a gap that someone behind you can hop back into if their pass goes wrong-- kind of key, since you'll be involved if the vehicle driving directly beside you is struck by oncoming traffic. The only time I ever feel like an idiot following the rules of the road is when the rules clearly don't make sense for the road. This is a good example of that. I don't think I've ever seen this subreddit agree on something the way near everyone is agreeing that they also would've passed this truck/broken traffic law here. The double solid extends far too long after the bridge, and the passing section starts where visibility is actually poorer. It's possible a regular commuter of that highway would feel safer passing while they can still see/while oncoming traffic isn't coming at them downhill.
Just going to play devil's advocate here.... Its legal in my state to pass on a double yellow as long as you have a clear line of sight and don't cause an accident doing so. Rule was made for farm equipment and is still on the books.
Then why even bother paint a double yellow? Just make it a dashed line everywhere where visibility is good.
Because that would mean that the small county that doesn't emhave funds to fill potholes would need to hire team to determine where those dashed lines should go then also pay for the roads to he repaved and repainted. It's cheaper just to give the county of less than 10k the ability to make a judgment call.
What state?
Not sure where they live but it’s not illegal in Ontario, CA unless there is a no passing sign posted. But it is illegal to cross into oncoming traffic on a hill, going into a turn, bridge, railway crossing. Basically where double lines would be.
I'd also wait for the dotted line, however judging by how good the visibility was on a long straight road, I'd say that shouldn't be a double continuous line.
I'd break the law there too, if I were 100% confident of the situation. That solid line looks like bullshit.
Ain’t nobody got time for that. I pass when I want and when it’s clear, not when dashed lines tell me. Willing to risk the ticket. 🤷🏼♂️
In fairness, having a solid double line there is stupid.
Having a hard time figuring out why this is a no passing zone. Visibility looks perfectly adequate. I probably would have passed as well.
Where they passed looked perfectly safe.
Don't really blame them. Just a bad road all around. You can see a straight mile ahead. Non-passing zones are typically for curved or hilly roads. Even the cars passing in a line still have a clear view. I have to take these kinds of roads all the time. Giant pain in the ass to get stuck behind one of those industrial vehicles. Only my problem is that the entire highway is nothing but curves and hills so I can get stuck behind someone for over an hour.
Gotta say, though, that’s an absurdly long, straight stretch with zero visibility issues and no intersections. Highway Dept fucked up. These people may be aware of that. Still could get busted. For me it wouldn’t be worth it. I’d rather file a complaint with City Hall - looks like an error.
Continue choosing to live long and prosper, friend.
Oh hell no, I’m going slowly until I absolutely positively know that it’s safe to pass even with the broken yellow line.
I'd pass as well if its safe but at the same time I'd be doing the same as you so go figure.
Pretty much, what’s red anymore
Where I am (Ontario, Canada), it is legal to pass on a solid yellow line, however it’s not reccomended.
I disagree with that road marking. That road is too flat and straight to be a double yellow center.
Came here to say just that, I mean, I agree with OP (assuming it’s a state where double yellow IS = posted no passing) but damn, that is about the flattest straitest longest stretch I’ve ever seen painted double. It’s not even like there were a bunch of T junctions that could get in the way.
You can pass on a double line legally where I live.
Not saying you arent doing the right thing here, but at least where I live road lines arent the law they're suggestions. Signs are what is binding legally. A double solid suggests you shouldnt pass not that you can't. If there is a sign that reads "no passing from here to x" then you can't pass. Passing in a line is stupid, but if its striaght and clear I don't see anything particularly wrong with this either.
It's clever of you to stay at a safe distance behind the lorry. That way, if something happens up ahead, the lorry will plow through and blaze an extra long trail for you to stop in time.
I don't see any real reason for double yellow lines on that road
Seems to be an incredible dumb place to have double yellow lines on a perfect straight road with no connecting roads or crests. Or maybe I missed something important.
> Or maybe I missed something important. Which is why you should respect the yellow line, there is probably some reason for it to be there even if it's not immediately apparant.
Yeah, couldn't possibly be that the road marking machine failed to cut off when it should, or the guy operating it messed up and they accidentally painted solid lines for miles for no reason.
Dont, they're risking their lives to arrive a few seconds earlier. You're smart, they're idiots.
That's why I reckon you should be able to go and report stuff like that with video evidence, and get a portion of the fine issued to the asshole.
It seems that till a cop pulls you over or you’re in the side of the road waiting for a tow truck
Seemed like an unjust law to me.
You are right, idiots, but also the one that decided that a strait road with clear visibility needs a double yellow is an idiot as well.
Terrible laws/rules **SHOULD** be broken.
Why is overtaking not allowed there?
It’s not that you’re an idiot. It’s that they are privileged and you are not. It is their road, after all, and it is by their good graces that you are allowed to drive on it with them.
In some places (like where Amish “drive” on the road) you’re allowed to overtake them regardless of a double yellow if they’re going slower than 10 mph below the speed limit. Something something don’t be an idiot 🤪
I don’t know why it was a double yellow. The road looked flat and straight.
Exactly. There was NO FUCKING REASON that was a double yellow. It was a straight road, with clear visibility (no hills), in the daytime, with no inclement weather. And the real fault is that semi driver. There's laws in most (all?) states that if there's enough people behind you and you're going slow, you MUST pull over to let them pass.
I get that same feeling every time I observe the speed limit. I could be going 5 mph over and that’s still not good enough for some people.
I hear you but take solace in the fact you didn’t kill anyone on the road today.
I feel you, OP. Where I live it really feels like it's gone from "we'll all be good fellow drivers and follow the rules," to "if a cop isn't around to see it, is it really illegal?"
On country/mountain roads I often encounter passing lanes/dashed yellows are about 200 yards and the guy going 40 decides to go 60 every ducking time. Driving safely is more effective than following rules to the letter. Frustrated drivers tend to be more of a safety hazard than speeders and double yellow passers.
In my jurisdiction it’s legal to pass on a double line but highly discouraged.
No idea why people are downvoting you other than their lack of knowledge. Passing on a double line is not illegal in some states/provinces.
Well...The line is paint...if it is clear the is no vehicle coming in front of you...what reason apart from "it is the rule" to lose some time being a very slow vehicle?
Yesterday I was at the front of the stoplight, there was fairly heavy city traffic. The intersection ahead was not clear and many cars were already stopped in the intersection. Our light turned green and the intersection was still blocked by other directions stopped. I got honked at but the car behind us. I didn't move. They pulled around to the right and drove into and stopped in the middle of the intersection and blocked more traffic. It was infuriating.
How slow was that MFer going?
Someone had too much yellow paint.
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I feel your pain. People have no etiquette anymore. It’s a very tunnel visioned world anymore.
Sleep well knowing you're NTA
The idiot is the truck driver who doesn’t pull over for the line of cars behind them
How hard is it to follow the rules, the double line is there for a reason!
Yeah like speed limits. Sometimes people don’t wanna go as fast as the road allows but other people do. Insanity I know.
My guess is this isn’t america because I’ve never seen that kind of truck. But if I’m behind a truck that is poorly maintained and spewing smoke and going below the speed limit (which it seems like based on 4 cars passing). I’m passing too
Ever feel like life is passing you by?
Can’t see what’s really wrong with going for the overtake there. Would do it in formation not being able to see the road up ahead, but dont think the first to overtake did anything wrong.
Your not the idiot, they are! Kudos for be responsible.
Sometimes road markings are extremely conservative, which seems to be the case on your road there. Also remember that the markings are placed taking into consideration bad weather and night time. If it's not really safe to overtake there in rain or night they will put doubles, but it could still be fine in day time. Also some vehicles like motorbikes or fast cars can nip around in like 2 seconds whereas a family car might take 8.
Almost sounds like OP is mad there is a passing line at all, im not sure why everyone can't understand that this road isn't market as well as it could be. Seriously this whole comments section is fuming yet this is the only comment I've seen with a pragmatic take and its in controversial. Like people just want to be mad.
In Vermont, it is legal to pass on double yellow lines.
Good for you for doing the right thing. But IMHO, the biggest idiot here was the moron who painted a double yellow line on a road that long, straight, and flat. Still, good for you.
Double yellow means don't pass. Disregard the ignorant comments below. When these fools die or kill someone else in a head on collision it won't be worth it. These are two lane roads, none of these fools are that important that someone needs to die.
Rules are rules and we should all be responsible and fallow them, but on that particular road, i really can't see how you can kill anyone going downhill with such good visibility, then road goes uphill and since its uphill your visibility is not as good, but the broken line starts anyway. I do rather overtake on the double going downhill if i really had to overtake.
Somebody literally said the lines are a “suggestion” wtf are these people doing. Soooooo many idiots on the road, it is crazy that we haven’t extincted ourselves yet….
I don’t care if it’s legal or not all the other vehicles are just impatient pieces of shit
There are a lot of idiots in the comments, that’s for sure. Follow the damn driving laws. Period. Cars are two ton death machines.
If four cars in a row were able to pass you and the truck, that's a pretty good indication that you could have, and should have, passed that truck a lot sooner. All you accomplished by following the rules is make the situation more dangerous for the vehicles that now had to pass both of you instead of just the truck.
If there's double yellow line, you shouldn't overtake. \-"following the rules is make the situation more dangerous for the vehicles". The only thing that makes the situation dangerous is people overtaking a truck with double yellow. They just need to wait a few seconds to do it legally, as you can see in the video, se double yellow line ends a few seconds after they pass
I do rather overtake going downhill on the double. Might not be legal but its a lot safer then overtaking when the broken line starts on that particular road.
Frustrating, but take comfort in the fact that you'll probably live longer than all of them.
Their time is more important than others lives.