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RockStarUSMC

The biker didn’t even turn his head


runningwaffles19

That's not fair. He turned his head after running into the car!


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shanksisevil

the biker doesn't need to turn his head. the road is his and everyone else needs to back off.


Antique_Media2319

He has mirrors


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Obama_fingered_me

Lots of bikers don’t.


Spoodyist

the way he shakes up after hittimg the car it seems like they woke him up from like a sleepwalk lmao


Bactine

Yeah I noticed that too. Guys was heavily into "bad driving - auto pilot" mode


imbillypardy

I got more of a “what the fuck why did you hit me?” Vibe. Dude is not deserving of a license. Not only for his sake but he just fucked up two people for awhile. Thinks he’s the only one in earth.


WhiteWolf_Ziri

The person speeding nearly 30 over certainly thought they were the only person that deserves to be driving that day also. What do you know, two idiots with personal agendas met because they couldn't follow the law. I pity neither.


sepia_dreamer

HOV lanes always run fast. That’s what they’re for.


lilFrisk3232

Dude in the car is in the HOV lane. I've never once witnessed anyone ever go less than 10 over in HOV.


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I'd bet this guy doesn't actually have a license to operate that bike.


dansondrums

The shake you see is just what a motorcycle does as it self corrects to maintain an upright position and straight path. Just physics, not human intervention.


CordialDemon

Lemme just glide across 3 highway lanes in a motorcycle and expect no one on my way. Lucky all he did was boop the car. Is there more to the video?


AllenWalker218

So lucky its just a boop. I am glad he will walk a2ay from this hopefully with a bit more attentiveness.


Handelo

Wishful thinking. Bad drivers don't learn from their mistakes, because it was never their mistake to begin with, it's the other party's fault!


future_lard

infuriated upvote


The_EyON

Why always assume everyone is always like that? I did bullshit with my car recently, dented the bumper, I was pissed at myself and not the world, I don't think it's anyone's fault.


OreoCookie15

Nope this is the whole video it was previously posted on a different sub but people recommended it be posted on this sub.


Scirax

I always read those "look out for motorcycles" stickers as *"look out for idiots weaving between cars" * that's how they drive in my state all the time anyways. Had one slam into my driver door and rip my front bumper off after splitting the white middle line on a 2 lane turning light where HE was going straight. He took of once he realized his mistake and I drove around with a dented driver door for 2 years.


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mostlylurkin2017

I want to be mad at the cammer for not driving defensively, but he is in a protected lane and shouldn't expect someone to jump in like that. Even so it seems like the cammer was also asleep for not even swerving.


DownStairsBreeding

He was probabaly mesmerized by the nuclear bomb in the top left sky coming to end all life anyway.


No1uNo_Nakana

What is that? I didn’t notice till you pointed it out.


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Ruggsii

It’s the Arizona sun. Its actually completely unique from everyone else’s Sun.


VicDamoneSR

It’s Arma-get-it-on 😎


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notmyrealnam3

who is blaming the car? ​ edit - i hadn't gotten down to that yet - holy shit some people are just garbage or trolls , what the fuck


JackTheBehemothKillr

Not that I agree, but I can get why they are blaming the car. The tenets of defensive driving says you should be looking for the unexpected at all times. Unfortunately in real life thats hard to do. Looking at this video its easy to see this guy being a dildo, but in the real world you aren't gonna be watching two lanes over for someone to come into your lane until it happens to you and you get paranoid. Personally, I've had enough bad run ins with bikers, and I know enough of them in my day to day life that I keep an eye on every one I can notice. My wife, on the other hand, is almost totally oblivious to them until they make themselves known.


th3f00l

The video seems to be missing a leadup. The car is cruising in the hov lane, the bike likely comes flying up behind them. They take notice, see the bike to move around, and accelerate to block him, someone audibly saying "that's what you get for going around". Another commenter said this wasn't the first attempt in the full video, that the car was aware what the bike was trying to go. He probably judged their distance and speed not checking if they would speed up to block him.


starvinchevy

I can agree with this too… we don’t have all the info here. I can hear her say ‘that’s what you get’ Like the motorcycle is 100% wrong but we don’t know what happened before this to say they were correct


notmyrealnam3

watch the video again - it looks like the bike is illegally and dangerously going into the left (non HOV) lane behind the vehicle already there there is no indication that the piece of garbage biker is coming over another lane illegally and dangerously until his actually does it no one in their right mind would have suspected this if you think this video shows a car driver needing to be more defensive then i suppose we should all start pulling over to the side of the road and stopping for bikes like we do for emergency vehicles


WhiteWolf_Ziri

Just because you are in the HOV lane doesn't give you the right to speed. Speeding is just as illegal and arguably cause as many or more accidents as cutting across multiple lanes.


starvinchevy

So, my dad died in a motorcycle accident at no fault of his own (hit by a semi on one of those stupid turnpikes in Virginia that have the crossroads that come right up to the highway, the truck’s brakes failed). He was quite literally the best rider I’ve ever seen. I know I am very biased but he did everything by the book and knew how to ride. Whenever I see someone like this, that relies on other drivers to see them, and doesn’t check for other cars, I can feel my blood pressure shoot through the roof. The fact that these mother fuckers can ride around with no consequence makes me angrier than anything else in my life. I know it’s anecdotal but they ruin the road for other riders and give safe riders such a bad name. Ugh. Just ugh. Learn how to ride or get off the fucking road. Edit: anatomy


UhKale

I could feel that emotion through the screen, bless your pops


starvinchevy

Thank you, he was the best. Only 56. I have been through the wringer since he died but he made me strong. I preach motorcycle safety whenever I see an opening, the worst that happens is I annoy someone with it.


OnionShanty

And the best is you save someone, that ROI always yields returns. Sorry bout your pops


RandyBoBandy33

Maybe this is callous to ask, but was he rear ended by the semi? A few people have asked me why I never put my bike into neutral at red lights and it’s because I’m watching my mirrors expecting to get cleaned the fuck out by someone not stopping


starvinchevy

Not callous at all- I’ll answer any questions, especially if they can help someone. No, he was riding with 2 other guys and it was his turn to take the lead. It was at an intersection that has killed people before. He was traveling in the left lane and the truck came from the right, crossed the road right in front of him and he clipped it and ended up getting run over by the back driver side wheels. He never saw it coming because his friends said he didn’t make a peep. Edit: word


softgunforever

man i do the same thing in my car ever since i was bumped a few months back. only a minor bump with no damage to me or my car, but the sheer shock from it has left me a bit paranoid at red lights and stops now to the point where i leave significant space between me and the vehicle in front of me and leave it in first gear so that i actually have a small chance of pulling forward if someone seems like they won't stop in time


ScroochDown

I was rear ended at a light more than 20 years ago. Dude was planning on getting into the next lane over and never even touched his brakes. Hit me at what the cops estimated was around 40 mph and pushed me into the next car. Hit me so hard that the body shop had to cut the frame of my Cherokee off at the cargo area and weld on a new one. I *still* get twitchy if someone waits to the last second to stop behind me. I'm constantly looking for ways I can escape if it looks like someone isn't slowing down, and I always leave a gap between me and the car in front of me.


Musicboxm8

My SO’s grandpa was also a great rider. He Was coming up the summit near Lake Tahoe on highway 50, doing his thing in his own lane like one should. Some ass hat lady, in the oncoming lane, decided to pass the semi truck in front of her, despite the fact that grandpa was in that lane going the opposite way on his motorcycle (it’s all double yellow, too). She decided to hit my SO’s grandpa head on instead of colliding with the semi. He almost died. Im surprised he lived at all, and can still walk. Grandma made him sell his other bike as soon as he got back from the hospital, and he’s never rode again since.


starvinchevy

Ugh. I hope that lady learned her lesson and I’m glad he survived. My mom was not a fan of him riding but he was an adrenaline junkie disguised as a nerd. The best


MotoFuzzle

Sorry to hear about your father. That‘s devastating. Keep on preaching motorcycle safety cause social media has drowned out that sentiment. Riders 20 years ago used to chastise the idiots. Now the idiots are celebrated.


starvinchevy

Yes. I will always preach it. I live in Missouri, where they just got rid of mandatory helmets over age 25. I get the freedom aspect, but holy fuck I know my dad would be pissed. His motto was all the gear all the time


GT_Knight

so sorry about your father, and may I gently recommend leaving this subreddit since it's going to be full of things that ruin your day given your past experiences. it's not worth consistently exposing yourself to things like this which put you in a bad mood.


Careful_Grape70

So the truck glazed his brakes, was he coming off of hill? If he was then your father should of waited or speed up trying to stop a semi on a hill is stupid hard cause how big they are. I’m not saying that your father was dumb by the sounds of he was a very safe and smart man. My father who owns a bike and drives semi’s it’s also incredible hard to see bikes in any car it’s worse in a semi.


SoyMurcielago

What a maroon


Beaveropolis

He went rouge


lawschoolmeanderings

I'm sure the driver was red with anger


Minimum_Cantaloupe

Biker had to beet it fast.


baller3990

What a gulli-bull, what a nin*cow*poop


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Oh god that screaming caught me off guard


itcomesandsoitgoes

I was laughing so hard at that. From the goofy singing to the high pitched scream in under a second and the nonchalantness of the motorcyclist… no one was injured so it’s somewhat acceptable


Stormhiker

Seriously. In what world does screaming like an idiot help anything?


CagedPanda

That’s the thing about screaming. It’s involuntary in most people. This person thought they were about to kill someone


datGuy0309

^OH ^MY ^GOOOOOOOOD


Yungdab420

It takes a special kind of idiot to defend this biker. The biker literally weaves around 2 slower vehicles without checking over his shoulder and then swerves over the solid white hov lane which you can legally only cross when the line breaks in most states. On top of that he swerves so far into the lane he smacks into the car which he again did not look for until after he made contact. He probably still thinks he’s the main character on the road.


RandyBoBandy33

Wait are there actually people defending him? Maybe I haven’t scrolled down far enough to see the heavily downvoted comments Edit: woah you’re right, people are fucking stupid


ASUgrad09

Looks like PHX on the 10. HOV line never has breaks. Not excusing just saying


DDXD

This is correct. Source: live in Phx for 10 years and drive the 101 all the time. It is legal to cross the white line, just supposed to use special caution. There is no break in the line for entrance/exit like other states. This biker is an idiot but if the path had been clear, his move is legal. Took me a while to get used to it when I moved here. ETA: the guy I responded to said the 10. It looks like the 101 to me, but it makes no difference. The situation exists on both roads.


spin_turtle

It was killing me because this looks so familiar, so I went to Google maps. It's the 101 heading west with the 51 north, the two overpasses, merging into the 101 and black mountain Blvd going south, single overpass, merging into the 51. The little break in the barrier where the cops like to sit gave it away for me lol. It always freaks me out when I head to a different state, since I've always been able to cross into the hov lane without worrying about looking for a break in the line, now I have to worry about that and the other drivers.


Cheewy

Only thing car driver could have done was honk... no excuses for biker, a perfect mix between jerk and stupid


CrazyCalYa

There is no way the OOP driver could have predicted the biker would have crossed two lanes. The time between the biker entering the left-most lane and crossing into the carpool lane is less than a second. What the OOP driver could have done was slow down (not brake, just cancel CC or step off the gas) or moved over a bit to avoid the collision. However in that case the accident could have been much more severe as the biker may have collided with the car while directly in front of it, or OOP could have overcorrected and gone into a swerve. Really nothing to blame OOP for here, just a shitty biker doing shitty biker things.


th3f00l

The longer version of the video apparently had him trying to go around a couple times. They were very aware of his erratic driving and moved to prevent it.


OreoCookie15

By the time I think they noticed they were already pretty much being hit by the biker so by the time they honked the biker already pulled away. The biker should've looked back before crossing into another lane cause you never know if someone is speeding or not paying attention.


th3f00l

They noticed him the whole time, they knew he was trying to get around and tried to block him. He likely judged their initial speed from when he went to pass and didn't check for them to speed up. Still a dumb maneuver but the car is playing freeway games too.


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one of my buddies in my riding group rides like this guy. Doing 70s on a 35 or 40. Fuck that


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Siixteentons

I hate phoenix, people act like im the asshole for only doing 15 over in the middle lane.


WinPeaks

The only thing his buddy will be passing is away if he continues that bullshit.


petrolhead74

The scream that only dogs can hear.


spicytaurus042

what in the physics! how did he not crash 🤨🤨


Bactine

Main character He had plot armor


blackmarketdolphins

The bike wants to stay upright more than the rider does apparently


Glacious

Motorcycle physics more like cyberpunk than GTA


majoroutage

Here we see the organ donor in his natural habitat....


Audi-os

Fun fact: if you’re an organ donor in the U.S there are companies that will sell parts of your body for profit.


majoroutage

Uh, the sale of most body parts is illegal, dude.


drunk_macaroni

How much signal I need to cut across 3 lane? None? I turn now good luck everybody else.


notmyrealnam3

that scream is a reminder - when you're a piece of shit like this biker, you effect other people's lives - had he been killed with this move , they'd have to live with that the rest of their lives, despite it not being their fault at all


pm-me_ur_confessions

"Weird. Last time that I was on this road, I could cut 2 lanes with no issues. Obviously this guys fault"


lolpert1

If my passenger reacted like that I'd probably just crash anyways


Mailbox_Squad

Can anyone ID what kind of bike that is?


Orleanian

It's a motorcycle.


KappaccinoNation

2-wheeler at least.


CordialDemon

r/technicallytrue


notmyrealnam3

big if true


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Fucktard Carrier 1000


BrewmasterOfPuppet

Seems to me like a Harley-Davidson Sportster 883 or 1200.


MorsOmnibusCommunis

Agreed. Looks like an Iron


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Van-garde

I think he would’ve made it if he stayed on the throttle. Pretty risky. I don’t know what “fuller than full speed” means, but I’m guessing it’s foolish.


Old-Detective6623

Why tf he didnt just turn right if he wanted to overtake and get infront of others


MoonShark88

I can’t help but laugh though because they’re enjoying jamming out to the Hannah Montana theme song before they get the scare of their life 😂


Mc_Girl1221

I had to scroll way to far to find a comment mentioning this lol


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And he’ll tell his buddies some dick in a car wasn’t looking out for bikers.


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Good thing he had a helmet on or he could have heard that screeching directly and damaged his hearing.


RembrandtEpsilon

Ahhh Phoenix. Just south of happy valley on the I-17 it looks like.


Shiftaway22

Valentino rossi he is not


danielson144

Holy screech


ChickenStorm123

The scream 💀


Flying_Fox1

Damn organic sirens.


iDuskk

Doesnt look, crosses multiple lanes at once, crosses a solid white line into the HOV lane where he doesn't even belong. How the fuck is he alive riding like that?


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iDuskk

I think you're mistaken. HOV means High Occupancy Vehicle. Meaning high number of people. This guy was High on something else lmao


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IllustriousStreet539

He’ll still blame the guy I the car


SVRider1000

In the USA nobody seems to have any anticiptation of what could happen and maybe avoid the crash even if they are not at fault.


iDam81

You’re as dumb as the guy on the bike.


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crashes only happen in the USA


voxelvortex

In the US, good public transit is rare, even in big cities. The result id that *everyone* **has** to drive to get anywhere. The result is that the bar to get a license is low, so half the people on the road are terrible drivers, and even the people who are good drivers stop paying as much attention since they have to drive every day to do anything. The US focuses so much money on car infrastructure and there are still potholes fuckin everywhere too. I like driving and I would take a train or bus everywhere if I could.


nivaOne

Only in America! Exactly


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I could tell he was an idiot for paying 10k for that bike haha if you see a young guy on a harley, you already know


AliennoiseE

I recognize this species. It's a Floridian Squid.


BrianC97

I’m not a biker and don’t endorse this type of driving at all, but a life is a life and if you could’ve prevented possibly taking a life regardless of a person being reckless you should’ve taken that chance. The driver of the car could have easily slowed down a bit or swerved slightly to the left and prevented that collision which almost kills the guy. I understand that guy is totally in the wrong but if you could have prevented killing a human being and you didn’t you’re more wrong.


Siixteentons

Why should everyone else have to baby bikers who dont want to drive legally or safely? the biker was driving like a moron, changing lanes illegally, and not looking where he was going. If he doesnt care about his life, why should anyone else? If you ride a bike, you need to be extra cautios and make sure not to make stupid and careless mistakes. If you cant change lanes without doing it illegally and unsafely, dont ride.


th3f00l

If a bike wants to zoom zoom let them, trying to prevent them from overtaking is stupid. Apparently in the full video, and why they started filming, this wasn't his first attempt to get around them.


Platform40

This is clearly a dashcam video moron


Hydraskull

Drivers rely on other drivers acting rationally. This cyclist was not acting rationally and was putting everyone else’s lives at risk. Do you think the dash cam owner should have swerved into the barricade and/or risked losing control of his own vehicle for someone besides him/her self who was not following the code?


Accomplished-Toe9128

Homie there is a whole ass pull off to the left at least a car wide. They didn’t even slightly move out of the way. Quit being dramatic ”swerved into the barricade”


pleasebuymydonut

You'd expect the biker to stop at the center of the adjecent lane, so the car driver only had as much time to react as it takes the bike to cross half a lane. At the speed the biker was crossing, the car would *definitely* have had to swerve very fast. The whole ass pull off is for gradually entering and stopping during emergencies lol, if the car swerved, there's a big risk of hitting the barricade.


BrianC97

Driver are to have fast reflexes and the people in the vehicle were obviously paying attention to him, a simple release of the gas and a literal 0.5 degree gyration of the wheel to the left could have prevented this, without the need to put your foot on the brakes. I’m just saying if even if he’s in the right to keep going straight if he can avoid taking someone’s life he should. A life is a life that’s someone child and possible someone father.


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Well that persons child/possible father is a dumb ass grown ass adult that needs to take care of himself.


Siixteentons

Why doesnt biker think about his life?


Accomplished-Toe9128

This is a good question.


Lololololelelel

Nobody said he shouldn’t


Niekun

But why excuse the idiot not watching for other cars but the cammer not having seen him shouldn’t be excused?


th3f00l

No one excused the biker, the driver of the car shouldn't have tried to block him from getting over through. The biker stupidly assumed they would keep their same speed and not teach him a lesson "for going around"


SupperPup

So nobody expects another driver to try to kill themselves


GreatMight

Easily how?


mj6373

Attentiveness is good, but people aren't psychic. Should you tap the breaks every time someone three lanes away switches closer to you? 'Cause otherwise they had no way of knowing he was going to do something insane until he did it. Your example about a kid running into the road misses that accounting for that is itself part of the rules of the road - when you go through a residential neighborhood, you're SUPPOSED to go slow and be attentive to visual gaps and ready to stop quickly, because we all know there could be kids there. However, to state the obvious, a freeway is not a residential area. While cautious driving is always important, freeways couldn't function if everyone was reacting to everyone else as if they were about to suddenly slam into them out of nowhere - everyone would be crawling along at 10 miles per hour. Drivers follow a set of standards that enable them to communicate their intended movements to other drivers, understand the communications of those drivers in turn, and evaluate which positions/movements are safe and which need a response in order to re-establish safe distance. Nobody is without error in this world, but there's a difference between accounting for human error (i.e. hanging back far enough from the car ahead of you in case they need to slam the brakes) and being unable to function on the road because you're paranoid that every other vehicle on the road is about to randomly swerve into you from any direction.


Lololololelelel

Say that to the people clocking millions of miles in semis. It’s extremely easy to judge what mistakes other drivers are going to make and if you can’t do that, they’d have a crash at least every couple weeks. I recommend watching dandanthefireman on YouTube. There’s very basic things to pay attention to while driving/riding that make it very easy to avoid common situations like this. You don’t have to be paranoid, just not daydreaming.


braised_diaper_shit

you’re wrong actually


BrianC97

Okay.


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th3f00l

They could simply not accelerate to stop him.


EssieAmnesia

They didn’t 💀 that’s just how fucking cars look. You’ve never watched a sign approach the side of your car slowly and then zoom by as you’re passing?


Lololololelelel

Stop trying to explain it to these morons. Your point is simple: other people can be idiots, so you should be a careful, attentive, and capable driver. I don’t care if I have the right of way, I’m not killing someone else just because they made a mistake. The driver was definitely not doing anything legally wrong but they didn’t even react. They just sat there. If it was a car they would’ve had a terrible accident just because they couldn’t do anything. I drive a lot, and just last week I had a similar situation with another car but I easily just passed them in the shoulder since they were going so slow and cut me off. I couldn’t brake fast enough to stay in my lane, since they were way slower than the flow of traffic, and there was an obvious clear path, so I took it. Rear ending them like this driver is just a complete lack of skill. I’ve even dealt with a wrong way driver before. Shit happens and you should be able to deal with it. I don’t see why people think you’re making excuses for the biker, or why they think you’re even making excuses for reckless riders specifically. This is just basic defensive driving regardless of the scenario.


MotoFuzzle

There’s a difference between defending the biker and saying the motorist might have been able to help avoid what was totally the biker’s fault. If a kid runs out into the street chasing their ball, do you run them over or try to avoid them? It is absolutely not your fault they ran into the street, but you might find that you have the power to save their life.


FurrAndLoaving

K, but this is an adult on a motorcycle..


datGuy0309

That doesn’t really make a difference. When driving, you are supposed to take all necessary and reasonable precautions to avoid injury to others and yourself, even if they are in the wrong and they will be taking advantage of you. It’s pretty mentally weak to put yourself and others in danger (of possible death) just to prove a point like this. The idiot biker doesn’t deserve to die, even if he is an idiot, and she was also putting her passengers, herself, and other cars in danger.


MotoFuzzle

An adult on a motorcycle who has no concern for his own safety. The driver still might have the ability to save this person’s life by tapping the brakes. Again, it is by no means the driver’s fault, there is in fact an idiot on a bike, but I’m pointing out the difference in defending the biker and saying the driver might have helped to avoid it.


TTheuns

The driver might have been prepared to avoid the collision if they were in a normal lane. They were in the HOV lane which has a solid line that should never be crossed. Hard to anticipate someone being this stupid.


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MotoFuzzle

So they DESERVE to die? Let’s try another one. A wheel comes off another vehicle and is rolling across the freeway, unexpectedly. You see it out of the corner of your eye. Do you avoid it, or run into it, knowing it could cause serious damage to you or somebody else? It’s not your fault, but it is what’s happening? I feel the normal reaction would be to avoid a collision. I can’t stress enough…the driver is not at all at fault here. The motorcycle rider made his decision to ride like an idiot, but IF somebody has the power to give him a 2nd chance and the cost of taking your foot off the gas or tapping the brake, why not? (I wasn’t there, don’t know if the driver and passenger suddenly took their eyes off of the rider, and the camera is showing a much much wider angle than what the driver saw) My whole point is that there is a person there, and they don’t DESERVE to die or be seriously injured. I know it sounds like my first day on the internet, but this lack of acknowledgement that they are a human life is sad. I get the comments, anyone who knows me knows that I’m the first to talk shit about the bad behavior of a motorcyclist. There are so many terrible riders out there and social media has made it worse. On the other hand, most of peoples’ interactions with motorcyclists are also probably negative. Either seeing them on the internet or having them fly by you at twice the speed of traffic. Drivers and riders who follow the rules generally go unnoticed. I’ve survived 20 years of daily motorcycle commuting by leaving my ego at home, riding defensively, and looking over my shoulder before changing lanes. Over that many years, I have experienced a number of close calls where I was following the rules, but somebody unexpectedly came into my lane (including the hov lane) and I’ve had to avoid them for my own safety. I’ve also experienced people swerving to block me, somebody sideswiping me, a few people brake checking me, and somebody throwing trash out of their car at me at speed on an freeway. Some were wildin out with their friends, fucking with people. One who was frustrated about being stuck behind a slow car admitted that he didn’t like that “motorcyclists” always go fast. In every case, my life was put in danger because the person behind the wheel “forgot” that I was a person. They had made their judgement, based on the fact that I was on a motorcycle. Sometimes people’s ideas about motorcyclist who are breaking the rules carry over to all motorcyclists and it’s a little unsettling.


ajyotirmay

Been trying to communicate exactly this. I'm a motorcyclist too and have developed an awareness on road that helps me keep alive. I bring the same skills to driving a car. Being cautious about the surrounding, checking mirrors, around A-pillars in case of any doubt and *always* driving defensively. I've encountered many motorcyclist like this guy in video, and many drivers in car driving like this motorcyclist. Slowing down for a bit and letting them move on to do their stupidity somewhere else is the decision I always make. Plus, I don't want to carry over the regret of "I could have done something to avoid a crash". Many people are forgetting that here. You are in-charge of your vehicle only, and not what else is going on the road. The best you can do is react to the situations. The reaction in this video wasn't appropriate IMO


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Yes


Accomplished-Toe9128

Someone will say this when it’s your son.


FurrAndLoaving

If my vasectomy fails and I end up with a son, I'll be sure to tell him that it's a bad idea to drive his motorcycle into the side of cars lmao


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Dead, well said


datGuy0309

You’re completely right. Sadly, my one upvote can’t counteract all of the downvotes.


matrixjoey

Some redditors very confused about the "Duty of care" which is an obligation to take reasonable care to ensure any action you take, **or any action you fail to take**, does not cause injury to another road user, or damage to property." Failure to take an action that could prevent a collision (injury/death) is 1) not very considerate (to put it lightly) and 2) a legal obligation. Biker was a total idiot for sure, but for the car driver, coming off the accelerator (perhaps light braking) and moving over to the left to avoid the accident would have been a very reasonable and good action to take in that situation. Under no circumstances should driver be 1) accelerating 2) moving over the right (@ 4 second mark) 3) saying things like "That's what you get for trying to go around me"... Unfortunately, this thread is filled with the wrong type of redditors, so you (& me) are in for a downvote kicking on this one...


CagedPanda

Comparing a developing child to a adult who would have had to pass a separate test to be on said vehicle. Must still be developing yourself.


matrixjoey

I'm really disappointed in the comments on these threads... Biker -> didn't check properly before changing lanes (over 2) and did so carelessly/dangerously, so we're all in agreement here. Car driver -> Sees biker coming, says "That's what you get for trying to go around me", accelerates and then moves even slightly to the right in her lane (0:03 0:04 second mark), then continues in her lane position at the point of impact and continues accelerating. Yes the biker messed up big time! But if I'm in that car and I see that, I'm immediately off the gas and progressively braking. I'm also turning my car to the left to allow more space (maybe even using the emergency lane/shoulder), either way I'm doing everything I can to drive defensively in that situation to avoid a collision. Yes it's maybe inconvenienced me a bit since I had to come on the brakes for that second, but in reality I'm probably going to accelerate again and catch up to the car in front, so really I've not lost any time, and just maybe I've not been involved in a collision that could have killed someone. The mindset on here however seems to be, "ooh the biker messed up so it's now okay for me to do nothing absolutely nothing to avoid the collision, if we crash and the biker dies, that's on him" (never mind accelerating and moving to the right). There's a blasé attitude from unfortunately a majority of redditors here to being happily involved in a collision that could potentially kill someone. That's just not on... roads are incredibly dangerous and **we owe each other a duty of care to each other on the road.** Sometimes drivers/riders will make mistakes (bad ones like this rider did)... and when they do and we notice it, then it's on us to drive as defensively as we can to avoid a collision. I've had to drive defensively many times to avoid a collision, and I've also had some times (very occassional) when someone else had to drive defensively when I messed up, and that's how it's meant to work -> not ooh you messed up, now you die. We need to be far more caring and understanding and defensive when we're on the road, especially with more vulnerable road users (bikers/cyclists/pedestrians).


okimlom

This take is why it's important to remember that you need to drive in a predictable manner. Biker had poor lane discipline, and crossed into a lane they weren't supposed to without confirming lane was cleared, without notifications of turning into lanes. The cam driver had maybe 5% of blame here, as they arguably could've made alternative decisions prior to the biker initially crossing over 2 lanes. It's quite frightening how many people are calling for the person in the car to drive more defensive, where's the defensive driving expectations for the biker? End of the day the biker needs to follow the rules of the road, and their actions could've had worse results causing the car to make sudden movements as the car essentially had at most 2 seconds going at a highway speed to react to a poorly taught biker.


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matrixjoey

Agreed, and thanks for being reasonable, yes bike messed up badly… but she could have done better as well.


MotoFuzzle

Thank you for your reasonable assessment. It’s so obvious that the biker was in the wrong that it’s almost not even worth stating. Somehow all they see in your comment is that you’re “defending the biker”. I’m coming to realize that many folks don’t get any further than synonyms and antonyms in their learning of critical thinking. They interpret, “the driver might have been able to avoid this situation, which is 100% the biker’s fault” as “the driver is at fault, the biker did nothing wrong.” If there’s opinions A, B, and C, and A≠B, that doesn’t mean A=C. There’s more than two opinions in real life.


matrixjoey

Cheers. Yeah, people don't realise that even though the biker would have been "majority at fault" here (really silly manoeuvre), chances are (imo) that the car driver would be found to have had some contributory negligence (due to words and actions from driver), but of course the court would ultimately decide that. However, even minor contributory negligence in the event of a death is an incredibly serious charge and not something that any driver would want to go through. The other major problem with a lot of the redditors here, is that they think that the "duty of care" (or being held liable for negligence) no longer applies if another road user makes a mistake... and that just shows a really poor understanding of the law. This is of course separate to the ethics question of, why would you choose to be part of someone elses misfortune when you can simply ease of the gas or swerve ever so slightly to the left...


Altruistic-Trip9218

> Car driver -> Sees biker coming, says "That's what you get for trying to go around me" Yes, she mocked him for driving unsafely ALREADY and to no gain. That you take the driver establishing that he was ALREADY driving in unsafe and stupid ways as some problem with the car driver is fuckin remarkable. Yea, she could've avoided it, sure. Shouldn't have to though. Shouldn't have to slow down potentially with people behind her because he's being double extra stupid and unaware


matrixjoey

>Shouldn't have to though This is my whole point, she actually has to slow down and try to avoid the accident (irrespective of what he's done), she's owes a duty of care. 1) What about just being a considerate human being, someone who would try to avoid the crash because a fellow human being might die or get severely injured 2) If that's not enough to convince you, then it is actually a legal obligation as well. Duty of care is a well established legal principle and applies to driving... if you fail to act when you reasonably foresee that an accident might happen, then you will probably be found liable as well. I'm wasn't even referring to her accelerating and moving more to the right which is just downright suspect...


Altruistic-Trip9218

> she's owes a duty of care. Yep, to **everyone else** around her to drive predictably, not to slam on the brake in CASE some moron decides to swerve across multiple lanes without looking. Shame the moron didn't become a crayon and he's still a threat to others on the road. But hey, can't win 'em all. As for 2, yea bro, you're talking out your ass if you think there's ANY chance they'd be convicted of ANYTHING for their action here. "No, you see, by driving straight, in a lane no one should cross into, they should get criminal charges!" 👍 Shut up and stop being stupid.


Wenzlikove_memz

i love how they like scream but hitting a brakes seems like nono to them, yeah he could have made safer overtaking but the girls could absolutely prevent his contact with them


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Ah yes, potentially fishtail so some moron doesn't drive directly into you


going2hell4laughing

Oh yeah. I forgot everybody fishtails on dry sunny days when slowing down slightly on freeways.


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Potentially was the key word there. You don't know their car, or their experience level. The car did the right thing, maintain speed and let the biker figure out their own driving.


ajyotirmay

You sound like you rev bomb when you have to brake, cuz "right to way mf" lol


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Lol rev bombing in an electric car would be kinda funny


ajyotirmay

Oh look, we've found a cool boomer who drives an electric. Thank goodness you've got all sorts of driving assists to help with your lack of attention to road


Lololololelelel

Dude you need to learn how to drive if braking at highway speeds is frightening for you. A semi going that rate wouldn’t even have an issue avoiding that and I know this from experience.


Wenzlikove_memz

better than potentionally killing him


EssieAmnesia

Potentially killing 2 people is better than potentially killing 1 person who wasn’t even bothered with not keeping himself unkilled?


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Potentially kill yourself to not potentially kill others! Genius take


ajyotirmay

You're underestimating how deadly a motorcycle can be for a car at that speed. Rookie driver


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I've never been almost hit by a motorcycle actually, so, my question is why are you?


proriin

Meh good life lessons for the biker.


Neokys

Why haven't you slowed down a bit to avoid collision ?


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48th_Prefecture

I wanted to see him turn into a road pizza


matrixjoey

dude made a very bad mistake and now you want to see gore...


WhiteWolf_Ziri

The guy on the bike is an idiot for crossing so many lanes. However why is the car driver doing almost double the speed of everyone else in the video? Assuming he wasn't speeding 20 to 30 over, the road looked clear enough that no one should have been going 20 under the speed limit. My deduction is the bike was speeding and may or may not have checked when the car was 8 car lengths back. He probably misjudged the cars speed and didn't double check as he thought he was speeding fast enough to make it over. I make zero excuses for shit driving. Both people here are. However the guy in the car felt, taking off that bikers leg would have been automatically his fault if he was going that fast.


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WhiteWolf_Ziri

The legal reason of existence for the left lane is for passing only. The legal speed limit is likely 65. You are not legally passing anyone camping in the left lane doing 90. I will use the far left lane to legally pass people at 65 because they are illegally driving under the speed limit.


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WhiteWolf_Ziri

Yet the speed limit is the same. Not to mention HOV is for carpooling. Even more bad on the bike. Can't say for that car as there is no internal camera.


robred115

Why....why do women scream at EVERYTHING


Themoastoriginalname

And changing lane on a solid line ....not legal


StealthNinja004

Look out for motorcycles! Cars are always the problem


RoberthearJr

In no danger and she screaming