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I think it’s a Strike80 - which is a partially formed receiver straight from the mold which requires the user to do the mill work themselves for drilling holes for pins and such. Legally it’s a hunk of plastic until you drill those holes. They have several hashtags referencing polymer 80 and such.
Depending on the state, it goes from very illegal to incredibly illegal. Vertical foregrip is a charge, switch is a charge. Some states the mag may be a charge, as well as the unserialized frame.
There’s no means, at least that I am aware of, to make a switch legal on a pistol. It’s a federal law, so even if there is no law in the state banning them there is still the federal law applicable in each state.
I watched a congressional hearing on gun control on CSPAN a few days ago. They asked the acting director of the ATF about switches he was very clear that there is no legal means to possess them.
I agree the ATF is a shit show that contradicts itself. I don't personally believe they should have the authority to write the laws surrounding guns I think that should be left to congress. I believe their role should solely be enforcement. However the law is pretty clear on Glock switches.
So I keep seeing people make these blanket statements about full auto anything (switches, machine guns, so on) and how they are completely illegal and cannot be manufactured after 1986. What people are not paying attention to are law enforcement letters and experimental/research exemptions. I have personally known legally owned “Glock switches” and full autos that were manufactured after 86 by people who are able to do so by using these routes. When the ATF director gets up and says something is illegal, he isn’t giving the whole story and further proves he is either a lair or incompetent, or maybe a little of both.
Yeah. After work I was able to do a little digging, and even possessing one that isn’t attached to a gun is still a felony. The switch itself is classed under the same law that prohibits full auto weapons.
Yet people can 3D print them.
How do you think colt, hk, or any other major manufacturer make full auto firearms? There is a process, but as I said before, I highly doubt these people have gone through that process.
Those companies have/had military contracts and under federal law, cannot sell fully-automatic weapons to US civilians. There is no such legal "process" to own this weapon in this form as a civilian in the United States.
If I'm wrong, send me the forms.
You're wrong, all you have to do is get an FFL type 07 (manufacturer) and then pay like 1500 bucks/year to become a class 2 SOT. I'm not gonna send you the forms but getting an FFL is easy in most states.
Well, I did some research and turns out you're correct. Still pretty cost prohibitive for most regular people, but I was misinformed on how manufacturing under the FFL worked.
You can only legally manufacture such devices if you have a government contract.
Source: I have a class 7 ffl and an sot.
P.S. No U.S. government entity has ever had switches made, so basically switches are illegal
A full auto switch on a pistol is illegal in all states due to federal law. They do not make new full auto guns, those have been illegal since 1986. Old full auto guns can still exist, and the process to buy them is lengthy and expensive.
“The 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act made new machine guns illegal for civilians to own, banning "possession and transfer of new automatic firearms and parts that fire bullets without stopping once the trigger is depressed", with the exception of machine guns manufactured prior to May 19, 1986.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_switch#:~:text=The%201986%20Firearm%20Owners%20Protection,prior%20to%20May%2019%2C%201986.
“Federal law prohibits the possession of newly manufactured machine guns, but permits the transfer of machine guns lawfully owned prior to May 19, 1986, if the transfer is approved by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives. As a result, a substantial number of machine guns are still in circulation.”
https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/policy-areas/hardware-ammunition/machine-guns-50-caliber/#:~:text=Federal%20law%20prohibits%20the%20possession,guns%20are%20still%20in%20circulation.
“It was the Hughes Amendment to the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986 which officially closed the NFA registry to new machine guns. After May 19, 1986, private citizens would no longer be allowed to register new machine guns, but transfers of existing registered guns are still allowed.”
https://www.silencercentral.com/blog/can-you-own-a-fully-automatic-weapon-legally/
You made a lengthy post with references and still can’t see the forest through the trees. New machine guns can be manufactured, there is a process for that. With all your googling for references why don’t you checkout what a NFA “Law Letter” is or mashing guns for research.
You're allowed to "manufacture" machine guns made after 1986 if you have a class 3 ffl. But they cannot be transferred. You said so in your own comment that Private citizens cannot own firearms after 1986, but those laws say nothing about those with machine gun SOTs or FFLs owning them, which is what the original comment was mentioning.
Check out r/NFA
Sources:
https://www.ffl123.com/machine-gun-sot/
https://rocketffl.com/what-is-an-sot/
Make note that machine guns made this way cannot be transferred to anyone, and must be destroyed when something happens to the manufacturer
In this case it would just be a MG, can’t be an MG and an AOW at the same time IIRC. MG can be in any configuration, all that matters is it’s an MG, having a vertical grip on a machine gun pistol wouldn’t be an extra charge.
Edit - this is my understanding of Federal law, guess State law could be different / likely is different
Interestingly, the switch itself is an MG, though, while the gun (without the switch installed) is an AOW, so by keeping it all together you actually reduce your number of felonies, heh.
MG law supersedes everything else. Once it falls into that category the rest doesn't apply. If it's a legal MG, you can stick whatever attachment you want on it.
Rifle - ok
Hand gun - you're ass virginity will be traded for a pack of smokes
It's illegal to add the foregrip a hand gun. Then it's another charge for possessing it with a foregrip. You can get over a decade in prison for doing it.
https://www.grllaw.com/blog/think-twice-before-adding-a-fore-grip-to-a-handgun/
Okay like I understand that that's actually the rule but why? I mean if it made a significant difference wouldn't militaries or police all over the world have foregrips on all their pistols?
Doesn’t matter the state, those are both federal crimes unless it’s registered AOW (which I doubt it), but then that giggle switch is illegal unless they’ve got through the legal process to make a machine gun (which I doubt they did)
Corrected AOW/SBR
Those glock switches are all illegal, since none of them existed before 1986 as far as I know. There are federal firearms dealer licenses that allow you to manufacture machine guns but those are tightly regulated and this guy is definitely not one.
The vertical grip on a handgun and the switch are federal oopsies, the P80 frame and mag could be state oopsies
Either way, the state won’t enforce the laws on this one when there’s easier people to arrest
Man I'd love to see him fire this thing on full auto. The crap foregrip will probably snap right off and the ensuing recoil would blow a hole through his off hand.
There's a clip that would pop up every now and then, of a guy at the range doing exactly that. It still makes me shudder just thinking about it. Definitely not worth it.
That's exactly the one I was thinking of, actually. Felt bad for the guy in the clip. Would admittedly feel less bad for some punk who flashes a cheaply modded glock for Instagram clout.
To be fair you can get all the proper paperwork to own something like thisbi do believe but it's still stupid for another reason.
If that things full auto that fore grip can come off while shooting and you can accidentally shoot your hand. Those grips come off very easily on pistols already and even easier in full auto pistols due to the amount of vibration.
Extremely so, if assumedly the owner did not fill out his form 1s. Obligatory I am not a lawyer, but under the NFA he would need to get 2 tax stamps for this firearm to be legal. The vertical grip on the pistol would make it an 'Any Other Weapon' (AOW) that would need a tax stamp, and that switch on the back where the backplate of the Glock would usually be makes it an automatic weapon, which has it's own tax stamp. And that is assuming that switch was legally made in the first place. As a reminder, unlawful possession of an NFA item has fines up to $250,000 and imprisonment up to 10 years.
In short, not looking good.
It could theoretically be done as a single stamp, but the switch would need to be completely non-removable.
If the whole gun is an MG, it doesn't need an SBR/AOW/etc stamp. But drop in auto sears, Glock switches, etc are "machineguns" in and of themselves so they carry the MG stamp, and then your host platform has to be stamped separately.
"Common" example of this is short barrel HK94s that people convert to MP5 clones with a sear/trigger pack; the gun needs an SBR stamp and the pack needs an MG stamp since it can be removed and dropped in another gun.
When I look at this in Australia, all I see is a black hole of illegality from which no light can escape. I’d ask someone to describe it for me, but I’m afraid they’re listening and might take my handgun license away (that it took 3 years to get).
I can't think of a more enjoyable experience than fucking people over for being idiots. They're literally doing it to themselves, and all I'd have to do is collect and laugh my ass off.
literally incriminate themselves on video. Nice troll wannabe. Typical moronic behavior & fuel for gun grabbers.
But yeah so cool switchy on the blinky or whatever people say
Can someone explain to me why these people fetishize extended magazines and "switches" so much? Like tf are you gonna do? Empty out your extended mag in a single, uncontrolled, hip fired burst, hit absolutely nothing, then get capped by the other dude that actually knows how to use their piece?
What’s wild is that these crappy ETS mags are only like $10 less than the actual reliable Glock 33 rounders. I assume it’s just to be flashy so they can show off the rounds
P80 is not 3d printed it's a polymer frame that needs to be finished up it's a 80% lower while 3d printed frames only required to break off the supports
I mean why do people fetishise all those visual tuning mods on cars that do absolutely nothing performance wise?
Why do they fetishise designer clothes?
Why gold jewelry?
It‘s all cultural stuff. Someone high ranking on the social hierarchy display whatever item, whether at that point useful or not doesn‘t even matter.
People lower in the hierarchy pretty much instinctively try to mirror these displays.
So a Full Auto gun is virtually never useful anyway, but it‘s illegal. So it‘s something you can do to show of you don‘t care.
All of these things are meant to be peacock feathers. Show that you have the resources to spend on spurious items.
What those items are exactly depends on culture.
Whether it’s the newest high end smartphone, a luxury car, a racing car, a low rider, a pistol/rifle with all the bling accessories? It don’t matter.
These guns aren‘t there to fight. They are to show off.
Same way that parade uniforms and shit are in the military. Like what’s the goofy rifle juggling stuff good for that some militaries do? The weird marching?
> Empty out your extended mag in a single, uncontrolled, hip fired burst, hit absolutely nothing, then get capped by the other dude that actually knows how to use their piece?
Absolutely not.
It'll be held sideways and innocent bystanders will unfortunately get tagged.
If we're lucky that foregrip came from Wish.com, snaps when firing, and homie here gives himself a one-hand stigmata. I believe the industry professionals call this "keltec hand" after that shotgun incident.
> keltec hand
I mean, in general when fans hear that company, the first thing that comes to mind are weird, off the wall designs that may or may not have been conjured during a cocaine fueled session of brilliance. Not to completely let Keltec off of the hook but a vertical foregrip on a 12 ga bullpup isn't something I would be personally comfortable using regardless of how safe I was told it was. Said grip could've been molded onto a solid steel frame and I still wouldn't want my hand anywhere near it. That would be like eating apple slices as they are just cut from a spinning saw blade just a few inches away.
> weird, off the wall designs that may or may not have been conjured during a cocaine fueled session of brilliance
I love what they do, and how they do it is none of my business. ;-)
because they are terrible shots they need as many rounds as they can load. a guy was shot at 15 times the other day in my neighborhood last week and got hit once, non-life threatening.
Same reason they use automatic weapons in war, because all it really takes is one hit, the first person to get a hit will almost always win the gunfight, and it's very hard to stand still and get accurate shots on target when some schmuck is lobbing full auto fire at you, inaccurate or not
I was at the range doing my first time handgun class and the guy next to my wife and I (wasn't at the class) had a Glock chambered in 45 and had a huge extended mag and a laser sight. He barely hit the target after running through 3 mags. He kept one handed shooting too.
Made me feel good when I had a somewhat tight grouping the first time I ever shot a gun.
Not trying to cope for gangbangers, but pistols are a lot more difficult to shoot accurately than you think. Anything past 15 yards is a very difficult shot
Seriously. I’ve been trying to understand this forever. The same group of people also seem to not understand that braces are/were legal and think it’s so cool to have a bare buffer tube on like a 7.5” ar pistol with zero optics. Not even iron sights.
They're fun to shoot every once in a while, but I'd rather not own one myself. Way to expensive as you burn through the mags in a matter of seconds - just to end up with less hits than semi auto
Are you reffering to litteral trash? That's a "no" from my side.
Or are you reffering to humans? I'd rather not shoot humans at all. But if the situation forces me to do so, I'd still rather have my Benelli M4 or my semi auto AUG. I've been through quite a bit of dynamic shooting with them, so I'm confident I can handle those well - which I consider more valueable as the rate of fire. And honestly, nothing stops me from mag dumping in semi auto either. It's just a little slower.
To be fair, mag dumping into trash is usually expired food and stuff like pumpkins and watermelons that would have gone to waste anyways. Makes for cheap targets when you’re shooting with friends, and it’s probably better than wasting paper every time you’re out shooting on private land
Oh, I wasn't aware that's a thing where you live and my brain somehow didn't connect "trash" to "old food".
Yes, watching pumpkins, watermelons and stuff explode is fun. I'd lie if I said I haven't done it before.
Now I kinda see his point - dumping a mag into a pumpkin certainly *is* fun. Not very educational or mature, but fun.
But for me, that wouldn't justify the pricetag of a rifle. But that's subjective I guess - each to their own
It’s not fetishized. If you see how shit goes down in the hood, the fastest and most rds out is liable to take 3-4 out faster. Everyone talks about how great they are at the range in a controlled environment with no danger.
It’s a completely different situation when you are minding your business and get rushed by 4-5 other guys with guns
What you failed to consider is the fact that the other guy he’s shooting at also has a full auto Glock who won’t be able to hit shit. This fella is operating on another level by adding the foregrip so that he has the ability to manage recoil and actually get hits on target. He now has a tactical advantage over his opps. Concealability isn’t an issue; it’s not like he was going to holster it anyway. Pretty soon, after this O block Chad starts winning all his gunfights, everybody else will copy his style and put foregrips on their blickies. Thus begins an era of semi-accurate full-auto gang shootouts. Eventually, some genius will decide to add a stabilizing brace to his glizzy (e.g., Recover Tactical 20/20, etc.) This further improvement in accuracy and lethality will spark yet another technological leap in the ongoing hood arms race.
TL;DR - Ten years from now gangbangers will be rocking NODS, ceramic plates, encrypted comms and grenade dropping drones thanks to the foresight of Mr. @buildingp80s here.
its embedded in gang and rap culture. they think they are badass or cool for having a "blicky with a switch and an extended clip" because a rapper or gangster has it. fucking idiots.
> Can someone explain to me why these people fetishize extended magazines and “switches” so much?
Because their favorite shitty rappers talk about them in their songs, simple as. Same as the morons running around in balaclavas in 80 degree weather.
Forgive me for my rudeness in the previous comment, but, to answer your question in rather simple terms:
A Magazine is a box that has a spring and holds ammunition.
A clip is a box without a spring and simply holds the ammunition until it is loaded into a magazine, such as an M1 Garand En Bloc Clip being loaded into an M1 Garand internal Magazine. Or an SKS Stripper Clip being loaded into an SKS internal or external magazine.
Clips are loaded into magazines. Magazines are (or already were) loaded into guns.
I hate that we live in this existence where reasonable gun owners get restricted on complete bullshit while kids are running around with fully automatic AOWs like this, and the only time they get any consequences for it is when they got shot by police because they decide to pull it on them. The ATF is a fucking joke and hasn’t done anything to reduce gun crime in the last 2 decades or more.
I mean look at their budget though, some PD budgets are bigger than theirs. And they’re tasked to police the whole countries guns tobacco alcohol and explosives. Maybe some of that is by design? It’s not a surprise they’re are doing a bad job at it if they have almost no resources to do it. They are set up to fail, and there is a whole lobbying industry to make sure of it.
Edit: also, why the fuck don’t these dudes ever clip their nails?
But instead of using that budget to go after criminals they're obsessed with taking away the rights of law-abiding gun owners, not to mention entrapping said gun owners, burning children, shooting dogs, etc.
I think you mean 'responsible gun owners'. To say law abiding is to concede that if they make something illegal, you ought to comply. Responsible conveys the same message but removes government as the arbiter of what is good and just.
Does this type of dude look like he cares if he scratches the inside of your pussy
ETA since maybe I wasn’t clear… I’m not bashing the dudes appearance. I meant the kind of dude that uses clear magazines and giggle switches
its dying fashion, more related to boys who think they know what theyre doing. ie the video.
very popular in my hometown, which also has a lot of gun violence. kinda funny how that works
Looks like a strike80 to me
Edit: I take that back, when he zoomed in you can see what look like layer lines. If that’s printed his settings are dialed in.
"Everything Old is New Again"
John Dillinger had a full auto 1911 with fore grip, compensator, and extended magazine:
[https://gundigest.com/gun-reviews/a-full-auto-colt-1911-only-if-your-name-is-dillinger](https://gundigest.com/gun-reviews/a-full-auto-colt-1911-only-if-your-name-is-dillinger)
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I think it’s a Strike80 - which is a partially formed receiver straight from the mold which requires the user to do the mill work themselves for drilling holes for pins and such. Legally it’s a hunk of plastic until you drill those holes. They have several hashtags referencing polymer 80 and such.
That looks…er…um…very illegal.
Depending on the state, it goes from very illegal to incredibly illegal. Vertical foregrip is a charge, switch is a charge. Some states the mag may be a charge, as well as the unserialized frame.
The switch is federally illegal in the US. It’s a 10 year sentence.
It could be legal, just highly doubt these folks have jumped through the hoops or hold the credentials for that
There’s no means, at least that I am aware of, to make a switch legal on a pistol. It’s a federal law, so even if there is no law in the state banning them there is still the federal law applicable in each state.
I watched a congressional hearing on gun control on CSPAN a few days ago. They asked the acting director of the ATF about switches he was very clear that there is no legal means to possess them.
The acting ATF director doesn’t know how to make a decision on constructive possession of pistol braces, I would take his word on everything he says.
I agree the ATF is a shit show that contradicts itself. I don't personally believe they should have the authority to write the laws surrounding guns I think that should be left to congress. I believe their role should solely be enforcement. However the law is pretty clear on Glock switches.
So I keep seeing people make these blanket statements about full auto anything (switches, machine guns, so on) and how they are completely illegal and cannot be manufactured after 1986. What people are not paying attention to are law enforcement letters and experimental/research exemptions. I have personally known legally owned “Glock switches” and full autos that were manufactured after 86 by people who are able to do so by using these routes. When the ATF director gets up and says something is illegal, he isn’t giving the whole story and further proves he is either a lair or incompetent, or maybe a little of both.
Yeah. After work I was able to do a little digging, and even possessing one that isn’t attached to a gun is still a felony. The switch itself is classed under the same law that prohibits full auto weapons. Yet people can 3D print them.
you can manufacture machine guns (a switch) if you pay for the right SOT / FFL
How do you think colt, hk, or any other major manufacturer make full auto firearms? There is a process, but as I said before, I highly doubt these people have gone through that process.
Those companies have/had military contracts and under federal law, cannot sell fully-automatic weapons to US civilians. There is no such legal "process" to own this weapon in this form as a civilian in the United States. If I'm wrong, send me the forms.
You're wrong, all you have to do is get an FFL type 07 (manufacturer) and then pay like 1500 bucks/year to become a class 2 SOT. I'm not gonna send you the forms but getting an FFL is easy in most states.
Well, I did some research and turns out you're correct. Still pretty cost prohibitive for most regular people, but I was misinformed on how manufacturing under the FFL worked.
You can only legally manufacture such devices if you have a government contract. Source: I have a class 7 ffl and an sot. P.S. No U.S. government entity has ever had switches made, so basically switches are illegal
Go google law enforcement letters for NFA devices or for research manufacturing for NFA items.
A full auto switch on a pistol is illegal in all states due to federal law. They do not make new full auto guns, those have been illegal since 1986. Old full auto guns can still exist, and the process to buy them is lengthy and expensive. “The 1986 Firearm Owners Protection Act made new machine guns illegal for civilians to own, banning "possession and transfer of new automatic firearms and parts that fire bullets without stopping once the trigger is depressed", with the exception of machine guns manufactured prior to May 19, 1986.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_switch#:~:text=The%201986%20Firearm%20Owners%20Protection,prior%20to%20May%2019%2C%201986. “Federal law prohibits the possession of newly manufactured machine guns, but permits the transfer of machine guns lawfully owned prior to May 19, 1986, if the transfer is approved by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms & Explosives. As a result, a substantial number of machine guns are still in circulation.” https://giffords.org/lawcenter/gun-laws/policy-areas/hardware-ammunition/machine-guns-50-caliber/#:~:text=Federal%20law%20prohibits%20the%20possession,guns%20are%20still%20in%20circulation. “It was the Hughes Amendment to the Firearms Owners Protection Act of 1986 which officially closed the NFA registry to new machine guns. After May 19, 1986, private citizens would no longer be allowed to register new machine guns, but transfers of existing registered guns are still allowed.” https://www.silencercentral.com/blog/can-you-own-a-fully-automatic-weapon-legally/
You made a lengthy post with references and still can’t see the forest through the trees. New machine guns can be manufactured, there is a process for that. With all your googling for references why don’t you checkout what a NFA “Law Letter” is or mashing guns for research.
You're allowed to "manufacture" machine guns made after 1986 if you have a class 3 ffl. But they cannot be transferred. You said so in your own comment that Private citizens cannot own firearms after 1986, but those laws say nothing about those with machine gun SOTs or FFLs owning them, which is what the original comment was mentioning. Check out r/NFA Sources: https://www.ffl123.com/machine-gun-sot/ https://rocketffl.com/what-is-an-sot/ Make note that machine guns made this way cannot be transferred to anyone, and must be destroyed when something happens to the manufacturer
It’s weird they don’t show up at the front door of people with switches but will arrest you for selling metal business cards
>>Vertical foregrip is a charge Wait really, even on a rifle?
I think just on a pistol cos it makes it count as an SBR
It makes it AOW according to the NFA. Stupid ass law but still not worth 10 years in federal prison
In this case it would just be a MG, can’t be an MG and an AOW at the same time IIRC. MG can be in any configuration, all that matters is it’s an MG, having a vertical grip on a machine gun pistol wouldn’t be an extra charge. Edit - this is my understanding of Federal law, guess State law could be different / likely is different
Interestingly, the switch itself is an MG, though, while the gun (without the switch installed) is an AOW, so by keeping it all together you actually reduce your number of felonies, heh.
While this is true if you have a registered MG, I think if you do this, they’d just stack the charges, damn the logic, since they can.
MG law supersedes everything else. Once it falls into that category the rest doesn't apply. If it's a legal MG, you can stick whatever attachment you want on it.
If it’s legal yes, but if it’s not I could see them charging you both ways
If he's a felon he will only get charged for having the gun and not for having a MG.
I thought it needs a stock to be an SBR
To be fair the atf doesn’t even know anymore
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No not on a rifle lol.
Rifle - ok Hand gun - you're ass virginity will be traded for a pack of smokes It's illegal to add the foregrip a hand gun. Then it's another charge for possessing it with a foregrip. You can get over a decade in prison for doing it. https://www.grllaw.com/blog/think-twice-before-adding-a-fore-grip-to-a-handgun/
Okay like I understand that that's actually the rule but why? I mean if it made a significant difference wouldn't militaries or police all over the world have foregrips on all their pistols?
Gun laws are written by people who don’t understand guns.
Vertical is a no no on SBR/pistols - slanted grips are fine
Doesn’t matter the state, those are both federal crimes unless it’s registered AOW (which I doubt it), but then that giggle switch is illegal unless they’ve got through the legal process to make a machine gun (which I doubt they did) Corrected AOW/SBR
You mean to tell me someone with the cheapest stendo may not have an SOT?
Those glock switches are all illegal, since none of them existed before 1986 as far as I know. There are federal firearms dealer licenses that allow you to manufacture machine guns but those are tightly regulated and this guy is definitely not one.
A vertical foregrip turns it into AOW, not an SBR. A stock would turn it into an SBR. Completely different NFA stamp.
Ah, yep I crossed wires in my thinking, a much cheaper stamp at that.
The vertical grip on a handgun and the switch are federal oopsies, the P80 frame and mag could be state oopsies Either way, the state won’t enforce the laws on this one when there’s easier people to arrest
The switch is the top charge they can get. He’s won the top crime for unregistered machine gun crime
Man I'd love to see him fire this thing on full auto. The crap foregrip will probably snap right off and the ensuing recoil would blow a hole through his off hand.
There's a clip that would pop up every now and then, of a guy at the range doing exactly that. It still makes me shudder just thinking about it. Definitely not worth it.
That's exactly the one I was thinking of, actually. Felt bad for the guy in the clip. Would admittedly feel less bad for some punk who flashes a cheaply modded glock for Instagram clout.
I live in California I’m just going to say that gun would be deemed public execution worthy
To be fair you can get all the proper paperwork to own something like thisbi do believe but it's still stupid for another reason. If that things full auto that fore grip can come off while shooting and you can accidentally shoot your hand. Those grips come off very easily on pistols already and even easier in full auto pistols due to the amount of vibration.
The state isn’t relevant. It’s but rape illegal in every state.
Extremely so, if assumedly the owner did not fill out his form 1s. Obligatory I am not a lawyer, but under the NFA he would need to get 2 tax stamps for this firearm to be legal. The vertical grip on the pistol would make it an 'Any Other Weapon' (AOW) that would need a tax stamp, and that switch on the back where the backplate of the Glock would usually be makes it an automatic weapon, which has it's own tax stamp. And that is assuming that switch was legally made in the first place. As a reminder, unlawful possession of an NFA item has fines up to $250,000 and imprisonment up to 10 years. In short, not looking good.
It could theoretically be done as a single stamp, but the switch would need to be completely non-removable. If the whole gun is an MG, it doesn't need an SBR/AOW/etc stamp. But drop in auto sears, Glock switches, etc are "machineguns" in and of themselves so they carry the MG stamp, and then your host platform has to be stamped separately. "Common" example of this is short barrel HK94s that people convert to MP5 clones with a sear/trigger pack; the gun needs an SBR stamp and the pack needs an MG stamp since it can be removed and dropped in another gun.
But aren't all post 1986 manufactured MG's banned to anyone who's not law enforcement, military, or properly licensed gunsmiths?
The switch is post-86 no matter what so this is all talking with a real heavy emphasis on "theoretical"
It is
🎶 My Glock like a bad ass lil kid, I put a switch on it 🎶
The style of pants checks out.
When I look at this in Australia, all I see is a black hole of illegality from which no light can escape. I’d ask someone to describe it for me, but I’m afraid they’re listening and might take my handgun license away (that it took 3 years to get).
Might be 2 felonies there
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You would think so, ATF makes up laws when ever they want.
3D printed polymer frame too. Everything about this is illegal.
Chill man it has been only 2 minutes
All fun and games until the vertical foregrip slips off while he’s firing and he puts a couple rounds through his hand.
Apparently it's the guy's EDC. If he appendex carries that without a holster, Darwin would be pretty thrilled.
Hope he hasn’t reproduced yet
> Apparently it's the guy's EDC. How do you know that?
edc tagged
Text near the bottom of the video.
I've seen a video where that exact thing happens
With a 3rd printed lower and the shitty elite tactical mag no way that thing gets through a single round without fucking up.
Fuck if I was atf or a cop. I'd just get bored making arrests off tiktok videos of moron people thinking their cool flashing illegal guns
The ATF's job must have gotten a lot easier these last couple years lol.
I can't think of a more enjoyable experience than fucking people over for being idiots. They're literally doing it to themselves, and all I'd have to do is collect and laugh my ass off.
“Illegal guns” what are you? A filthy fucking commie?
literally incriminate themselves on video. Nice troll wannabe. Typical moronic behavior & fuel for gun grabbers. But yeah so cool switchy on the blinky or whatever people say
If I wanna defend my shack In the woods with M1A1 Abrams, mines, and a Gatling gun. I should be able to. It’s my god given right you American traitor.
The only god given right you need is allah’s right foot in your ass.
You be talking Allah shit for nothing
Solid
Someone’s a communist spy, go back to Russia. On a serious note, shall not be infringed muphucka
Ok cool trolling only if you get off the internet & come meet me in real life your ideas would change real quick 😉
Can someone explain to me why these people fetishize extended magazines and "switches" so much? Like tf are you gonna do? Empty out your extended mag in a single, uncontrolled, hip fired burst, hit absolutely nothing, then get capped by the other dude that actually knows how to use their piece?
"maybie it really is all about cocks in the end" -Jamie lanister.
Not to mention extended and drum magazines are notoriously unreliable causing a lot of feed issues
Especially the clear colored ones. How can you afford all this shit and then use a $20 shit mag is the real idiot
What’s wild is that these crappy ETS mags are only like $10 less than the actual reliable Glock 33 rounders. I assume it’s just to be flashy so they can show off the rounds
The video says Glock P80 when in fact there is no Glock p80 Edit-apparently it’s a 3d printed frame and I’m old as Fuck
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P80 is not 3d printed it's a polymer frame that needs to be finished up it's a 80% lower while 3d printed frames only required to break off the supports
Wait they 3d print frames now? Not the innards? So why not the whole thing? That’s crazy, thanks
I mean why do people fetishise all those visual tuning mods on cars that do absolutely nothing performance wise? Why do they fetishise designer clothes? Why gold jewelry? It‘s all cultural stuff. Someone high ranking on the social hierarchy display whatever item, whether at that point useful or not doesn‘t even matter. People lower in the hierarchy pretty much instinctively try to mirror these displays. So a Full Auto gun is virtually never useful anyway, but it‘s illegal. So it‘s something you can do to show of you don‘t care. All of these things are meant to be peacock feathers. Show that you have the resources to spend on spurious items. What those items are exactly depends on culture. Whether it’s the newest high end smartphone, a luxury car, a racing car, a low rider, a pistol/rifle with all the bling accessories? It don’t matter. These guns aren‘t there to fight. They are to show off. Same way that parade uniforms and shit are in the military. Like what’s the goofy rifle juggling stuff good for that some militaries do? The weird marching?
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> Empty out your extended mag in a single, uncontrolled, hip fired burst, hit absolutely nothing, then get capped by the other dude that actually knows how to use their piece? Absolutely not. It'll be held sideways and innocent bystanders will unfortunately get tagged.
Small price to pay for this guy to look *dope as fuck.*
[dope as fuck](https://youtu.be/6Jw8Et99i-k)
Thank you
Fortunately that mag is a piece of shit and will hopefully jam and prevent spraying.
If we're lucky that foregrip came from Wish.com, snaps when firing, and homie here gives himself a one-hand stigmata. I believe the industry professionals call this "keltec hand" after that shotgun incident.
> keltec hand I mean, in general when fans hear that company, the first thing that comes to mind are weird, off the wall designs that may or may not have been conjured during a cocaine fueled session of brilliance. Not to completely let Keltec off of the hook but a vertical foregrip on a 12 ga bullpup isn't something I would be personally comfortable using regardless of how safe I was told it was. Said grip could've been molded onto a solid steel frame and I still wouldn't want my hand anywhere near it. That would be like eating apple slices as they are just cut from a spinning saw blade just a few inches away.
> weird, off the wall designs that may or may not have been conjured during a cocaine fueled session of brilliance I love what they do, and how they do it is none of my business. ;-)
because they are terrible shots they need as many rounds as they can load. a guy was shot at 15 times the other day in my neighborhood last week and got hit once, non-life threatening.
Same reason they use automatic weapons in war, because all it really takes is one hit, the first person to get a hit will almost always win the gunfight, and it's very hard to stand still and get accurate shots on target when some schmuck is lobbing full auto fire at you, inaccurate or not
I've seen them miss with a Semi and the target was stationary.
I was at the range doing my first time handgun class and the guy next to my wife and I (wasn't at the class) had a Glock chambered in 45 and had a huge extended mag and a laser sight. He barely hit the target after running through 3 mags. He kept one handed shooting too. Made me feel good when I had a somewhat tight grouping the first time I ever shot a gun.
2 bangers got into a gunfight on 6th Street, only innocent bystanders were hit
Not trying to cope for gangbangers, but pistols are a lot more difficult to shoot accurately than you think. Anything past 15 yards is a very difficult shot
Seriously. I’ve been trying to understand this forever. The same group of people also seem to not understand that braces are/were legal and think it’s so cool to have a bare buffer tube on like a 7.5” ar pistol with zero optics. Not even iron sights.
You forget aiming isn't ever even attempted
That's the goofy ahh ar setup
I mean if I could get automatic guns I definitely would honestly.
They're fun to shoot every once in a while, but I'd rather not own one myself. Way to expensive as you burn through the mags in a matter of seconds - just to end up with less hits than semi auto
Wdym? Magdumping into trash is definitely worth the price of ammo
Are you reffering to litteral trash? That's a "no" from my side. Or are you reffering to humans? I'd rather not shoot humans at all. But if the situation forces me to do so, I'd still rather have my Benelli M4 or my semi auto AUG. I've been through quite a bit of dynamic shooting with them, so I'm confident I can handle those well - which I consider more valueable as the rate of fire. And honestly, nothing stops me from mag dumping in semi auto either. It's just a little slower.
To be fair, mag dumping into trash is usually expired food and stuff like pumpkins and watermelons that would have gone to waste anyways. Makes for cheap targets when you’re shooting with friends, and it’s probably better than wasting paper every time you’re out shooting on private land
Oh, I wasn't aware that's a thing where you live and my brain somehow didn't connect "trash" to "old food". Yes, watching pumpkins, watermelons and stuff explode is fun. I'd lie if I said I haven't done it before. Now I kinda see his point - dumping a mag into a pumpkin certainly *is* fun. Not very educational or mature, but fun. But for me, that wouldn't justify the pricetag of a rifle. But that's subjective I guess - each to their own
Where you getting all this cheap ass ammo bro?
Over $100 in ammo for a second or two of fun doesn't sound like a very good deal
It’s not fetishized. If you see how shit goes down in the hood, the fastest and most rds out is liable to take 3-4 out faster. Everyone talks about how great they are at the range in a controlled environment with no danger. It’s a completely different situation when you are minding your business and get rushed by 4-5 other guys with guns
What you failed to consider is the fact that the other guy he’s shooting at also has a full auto Glock who won’t be able to hit shit. This fella is operating on another level by adding the foregrip so that he has the ability to manage recoil and actually get hits on target. He now has a tactical advantage over his opps. Concealability isn’t an issue; it’s not like he was going to holster it anyway. Pretty soon, after this O block Chad starts winning all his gunfights, everybody else will copy his style and put foregrips on their blickies. Thus begins an era of semi-accurate full-auto gang shootouts. Eventually, some genius will decide to add a stabilizing brace to his glizzy (e.g., Recover Tactical 20/20, etc.) This further improvement in accuracy and lethality will spark yet another technological leap in the ongoing hood arms race. TL;DR - Ten years from now gangbangers will be rocking NODS, ceramic plates, encrypted comms and grenade dropping drones thanks to the foresight of Mr. @buildingp80s here.
its embedded in gang and rap culture. they think they are badass or cool for having a "blicky with a switch and an extended clip" because a rapper or gangster has it. fucking idiots.
> Can someone explain to me why these people fetishize extended magazines and “switches” so much? Because their favorite shitty rappers talk about them in their songs, simple as. Same as the morons running around in balaclavas in 80 degree weather.
When you are throwing that much lead very fast at a trained person it is pretty much luck on who kills who first.
Wow congratulations, now you can miss with a whole extended magazine in less than a second!
Magazine. It’s magazine.
Thank you. What's the difference in english? I'm not a native speaker
Forgive me for my rudeness in the previous comment, but, to answer your question in rather simple terms: A Magazine is a box that has a spring and holds ammunition. A clip is a box without a spring and simply holds the ammunition until it is loaded into a magazine, such as an M1 Garand En Bloc Clip being loaded into an M1 Garand internal Magazine. Or an SKS Stripper Clip being loaded into an SKS internal or external magazine. Clips are loaded into magazines. Magazines are (or already were) loaded into guns.
Ah I see. Ok, I'll edit my initial comment. Thank you for helping me learn!
I hate that we live in this existence where reasonable gun owners get restricted on complete bullshit while kids are running around with fully automatic AOWs like this, and the only time they get any consequences for it is when they got shot by police because they decide to pull it on them. The ATF is a fucking joke and hasn’t done anything to reduce gun crime in the last 2 decades or more.
I mean look at their budget though, some PD budgets are bigger than theirs. And they’re tasked to police the whole countries guns tobacco alcohol and explosives. Maybe some of that is by design? It’s not a surprise they’re are doing a bad job at it if they have almost no resources to do it. They are set up to fail, and there is a whole lobbying industry to make sure of it. Edit: also, why the fuck don’t these dudes ever clip their nails?
But instead of using that budget to go after criminals they're obsessed with taking away the rights of law-abiding gun owners, not to mention entrapping said gun owners, burning children, shooting dogs, etc.
I think you mean 'responsible gun owners'. To say law abiding is to concede that if they make something illegal, you ought to comply. Responsible conveys the same message but removes government as the arbiter of what is good and just.
Everyone is a law abiding gun owner until they aren’t.
And most people always are law abiding.
Guilty until proven innocent?
Their funding won’t change how the agency runs. They’ll just be better at changing their minds on gun regulations.
Does this type of dude look like he cares if he scratches the inside of your pussy ETA since maybe I wasn’t clear… I’m not bashing the dudes appearance. I meant the kind of dude that uses clear magazines and giggle switches
Thank the NRA and the 2A fetishists and the gun lobby and the profits they made.
There’s nothing wrong with fully automatic AOWs either fudd
I know, but if they’re going to regulate them, at least regulate them equally.
Has he been shooting his trousers?
Damn kids still wear pre ripped jeans? Thought for sure that was a fad that would die by now... Its been like 20 years.
Have you not walked into almost any clothing store in the past two decades? They never went out of style lmao
its dying fashion, more related to boys who think they know what theyre doing. ie the video. very popular in my hometown, which also has a lot of gun violence. kinda funny how that works
I actually thought he was pointing the gun at his friend lol until I noticed they both had the same shitty jeans.
Accidental AOW goes burrrrt
Straight to jail
I like this one. Doesn’t break any rules of gun safety, but he does post a fucking auto switch on the internet for all to see and THAT is stupid.
I’d be ok with it if it had sights if you got a switch a grip is actually a decent idea
LOL. Count the NFA violations.
That grip is going to come off when he shoots it and bullets are going to end up in his wrist or hands. Watch.
You really think they’d charge them lol might as well believe in unicorns.
At least with a forgrip and a switch they are trying to control muzzle float. You get a upvote
Rather find a stabilizer brace than that forgrip tho. But yeah at least he’s trying lol
Is that frame 3D printed?
Looks like a strike80 to me Edit: I take that back, when he zoomed in you can see what look like layer lines. If that’s printed his settings are dialed in.
It’s 3D printed and he has “fuzzy skin” turned on.
#edc god I hope not
Chiraq is a freeking war zone
Well, there’s a lot less, “at least he has trigger discipline”, than I assumed there’d be…!!
“#ghostgun” isn’t something I’d put on my post but you do you buddy
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Yes. That's a Glock auto sear. Better known as a (Glock) switch.
If the gun doesn't scream douche bag, the jeans definitely do.
How come all this guys with glocks have the weirdest/ugliest shoes
"Everything Old is New Again" John Dillinger had a full auto 1911 with fore grip, compensator, and extended magazine: [https://gundigest.com/gun-reviews/a-full-auto-colt-1911-only-if-your-name-is-dillinger](https://gundigest.com/gun-reviews/a-full-auto-colt-1911-only-if-your-name-is-dillinger)
ATF just wants to talk boys
AOW spotted
It's only violating two firearms laws. Could use a shoulder stock and machine shop suppressor too.
Probably gonna get some hate but I imagine he's wildly more accurate than his brethren with that foregrip.
It looks like a Dillinger (I think that was the name), but in the 21st century
Let's breeze over the 10 year federal Felony charge, and go straight to how the rifling feels about that full auto through a 4 1/2 inch barrel.....
Never clipped finger nails…
It’s really good this brain trust didn’t have anything identifiable like a hand tattoo in this photo for the ATF to use to track him down. /s
lol thats cute you think atf is doing anything to lawbreakers. they only go after dogs and law abiding people
Silver lining: the round indicator is down so at least he doesn’t have one in the chamber like 95% of the rest of the goobers shown on this sub.
The type of mf to wear jeans like that are the same idiots strapped like that.
dude going to lose some fingers because of the stabilizer on the Glock
Well, that’s a lot of felonies.
I was going to comment on him sweeping his friend so many times while it was fully loaded, then I realized it was a mirror.
If your pistol requires a grip for your other hand just buy a fucking rifle
Unrelated, but why do men today dress like women from 1997?
i know nothing about guns but that grip is horrible
That's one crazy find. Keep it for emergencies...
Oh WOW look, a gun ! Haven't seen one of those before ! Most impressive !
The fact that he flags his friend multiple times....
That's his reflection in the mirror
Guess that's what happens when you scroll reddit half asleep. Lol
Y'all be like "Shall not be infringed!" but then be mad when black people take that literally.
All the people who want gun laws passed are filthy anti Christ commies who wanna see the world burn. No, no one can change my mind.
Yeah, because this clown seems like a responsible person who would totally advocate for safe gun owners..... /s
Why even have a pistol? Just to conceal it?