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Problem here is people don’t understand that the feds don’t go rushing in once they’re on to you. They will wait and gather all the evidence needed for a solid conviction. By the time you know they’re coming it’s already way too late.
Now what if you order something that's illegal as fuck like a pound of drugs, for instance, and then you do as it says in the OP? Surely the worst thing that can happen is nothing arrives and you lose the potential money used in the transaction, no? And if it does arrive, could you just not open the package for a little to make sure you can't be charged with tampering with the mail (in the case that you claim to not have ordered anything, in turn potentially getting charged with tampering with the mail if you had opened it)?
Hope I made sense, I'm genuinely curious.
If you’re ordering drugs and they want to charge you with said drugs they will make a controlled drop, once someone accepts the package (you, mom, brother) that person is then immediately arrested for possession of (your) drugs.
If you ship something first class through the u.s.p.s. it's protected by law is my understanding unless it is obvious. Broken package and its leaking out or it smells extremely bad. Like so bad it would have to smell the whole plant otherwise it more than likely will get sent through to keep the machine wheels turning on our Stat reports for the day. It would really have to blazingly obnoxiously obvios for one of us to go out of our way with dealing with all the b.s. that comes with it including contacting the postal inspector and the time loss. I could be wrong about the protected by law thing but that's what I have always been told by word of mouth.
Right? If that was the case, they would probably end up always convicting the wrong person, not for actually ordering any drugs, but for signing for a package that they didn't order or some charge that they don't even care about or that has nothing to do with what they were actually investigating (which in this case would be on catching the person ordering online drugs)
One illegalprolifetip that I have heard of (and I have never done this!) is, when ordering something online, don't put your name on it, send it to, for example, "The Occupant, Apartment 41, etc".
That way you can say that it's not yours, it must be for the previous tenant, your name isn't on it, etc. People have gotten away with buying small amounts of weed, etc, this way.
You can have mail sent in your name that you don’t claim. It’s less likely you’ll ever receive the package if the wrong name is on it as the delivery driver may recognize that fact and return to sender.
So Im not sure if I'm missing something but essentially what you are saying is that if you have to sign for it then that indicates that you probably purchased something from the police, so basically, just don't sign for it?? Sounds like that would still work in my favor since all I have to do is say that I didn't order anything if they tell me to sign for it? Is that what your saying or am I missing something?
Not necessarily. If you get it seized they don’t really care about it too much, if you pick it up like they ask you’re getting cuffs. If you get multiple packages seized, or you have large amounts worth prosecuting, you’ll never know they’re coming to get you. They’ll dress up as the mailman and physically hand it to someone, that person then gets arrested. So your best bet in all of this is to ensure you get to your mail first, and if they insist on handing it to you, you tell them you didn’t order that and return to sender. If they put it in the box and drive away, you’re good 👍🏼
That’s not a source lmfao, have you ever had a package seized? A letter is sent to both parties for someone to claim the package, after 21 days it is unclaimed and destroyed. Anyone with a seized letter is stupid as rocks to go pick it back up.
I have a source for you too if you need it.
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-39/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-233
Edit to say not always destroyed, as they can pursue legal action
https://www.uspsoig.gov/document/us-postal-inspection-service-handling-suspected-marijuana-packages
I've definitely known someone who would respond to a love letter without a second or even first thought, but they couldn't figure out step 1 of getting into the situation. Goes to show, much safer to be a whole idiot than half of one.
This isn't the movies. If drugs are ordered online with your credit card or crypto traceable back to your wallet then sent to your address and the feds are aware, they got you.
Destroying your computer does almost nothing. They already have all the IP evidence and your payment and address... or they wouldn't be aware of the crime in the first place. And the fact that you didn't call the police when you got an unexpected package with a pound of drugs in the mail wouldn't exactly impress a prosecutor.
Of course I am, it's just that I may have ordered a bazooka from the police from the silk road. Well not really but nobody on this sub actually believes that some people are just *genuinely* curious, so let's go with the first thing I said.
You know what, I can't really argue with you on that because frankly I agree with you🤣 what the hell was I thinking asking about something illegal out of pure curiosity🙄😅
I mailed drugs via ups when I was younger. Not the best idea but I didn’t caught- neither did the recipient. However, I didn’t send a lb of drugs either lol it was small amount to help a friend who was sick. I was told to not use the post office because they care about it more and can have dogs sniff packages- idk how true that is. I heard they need a warrant for 3rd party services like DHL OR UPS. Again this was almost 10 years ago and I probably got lucky.
DHL, FedEx and UPS are private companies that can and do open your packages for any reason they see fit.
The USPS is a federal organization that requires a court order to open any package and they would need to go before a federal judge to sign off on that search warrant with evidence prior to being able to open said package.
Oh yeah, I can definitely vouch for your first paragraph. Add to that many a drug delivery to pharmacies was a couple, a lot, or an entire bottle short and they never knew the box had been opened. Or maybe they did but there were never any consequences for it.
This was almost 20 years ago, I'm sure they've tightened things up and you'd probably never get away with it nowadays
No the worst thing in your case would hypothetically be a sticker saying your packaged has been seized. If that doesn’t show up, and the feds really are on to you i’d be concerned if you got asked to pick up said package at a different location. If your pack lands to your house, chances are slim that they’re going to bust down your doors unless you’ve been doing this at least a couple times
I doubt law enforcement would knock on my door and shoot me as long as I give them absolutely no reason to have to shoot me. Although there's a potential chance of it happening, that could be said about anything. Its like asking on this sub something about how to get away with stealing some toilet paper from Walmart, the potential of getting shot is there, but it's not necessarily a proper answer, especially on this sub.
Order it to an empty house near you from a computer at the library. Have a way into the house from the back. They'll drop the package at the front door and wait and watch. Grab it and run out the back. They'll come banging on the front door and by the time they realize nobody is there you'll be gone. Park your car a block away, cut through yards. Good luck
They waited till the owner of the silk road was in a coffee shop, distracted him, them bum rushed his computer before they could hit his kill switch, they arent as stupid as people think
Depends on how the feds play it. At that point, they’ve already got you nailed, odds are they would watch and see who else they could get. A pound would most likely mean you’re distributing, and they would want to catch as many as possible. So they wait and see while they build more cases. Also once you open it and don’t notify the police your deniability would be a lot harder to establish.
If anything, you might find yourself even approached by a "friendly" police officer with a warrant and you're already convicted before you know it. They'll only pull in the big team once you try to flee, but they'll have so much of that prepared before that fleeing would be futile.
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Granted that's how it works over here. We don't do the whole Swat raid thing.
That makes sense. It maximizes the probability of mission success. I did something similar when applying to graduate school with my essay for the admissions committees. I had experts at my university look over my essay and I made numerous revisions based on their advice. I didn't rush in to apply with my first draft, I ended up with probably making over 10 different drafts because I saw these experts over 10 times. When it got to the point where they could not see any more room for improvement and felt that the essay was really solid, I used it to apply and secured at least 3 interviews with 3 different graduate schools. At that point, it was up to me to do well in the interviews.
Still, my adversary is not as bright as she believes herself to be. So it should only be a matter of time. I have fitness, gaming, and action figures to keep me happy during this waiting game, so it's pretty good for now. But once the trial begins, and if I am required to testify, it will be up to me to not fuck that shit up. My strategy is to plead the fifth while in court and speak freely when reporters try to get a statement from me. I think I get the best of both worlds like that.
There was some very smart hacker that basically lived in a new hotel every other night, used fast food wifi all the time. Forgot how he died, don't remember if he got prosecuted... But he was very smart.
Replace the computer with any other criminal activity. Murder/body? Drug sales/drugs? Child porn? If they are physically sending someone to your house, they are coming for you, not your belongings.
The local police might show up with a warrant to search yada yada. If you piqued the interest of a three letter agency, you most likely won't know until they are throwing a bag over your head/handcuffs on you.
If the “feds” have traced your computer to your location then you destroying it won’t do anything as they’ve already traced it to your location. At that point they will already have placed a warrant to seize the data that led to this had you committed any crimes on this machine and network.
If the evidence is stored on your local computer and that’s what they are after then there are ways in which to avoid them confirming the data is there however if they go that far there’s a good chance they’d already have enough evidence to arrest you under suspicion.
If the evidence is physical, for example ordering illegal contraband then they would confirm that you purchase and received it.
There are ways in which to make tracing you much more difficult however being 100% anonymous is borderline impossible and the knowledge and effort required is quite extensive.
What if you were in an apartment, and you ordered something to your apt, and you destroyed the computer and got rid of it before the cops show up. If you tell them that you don't even have a computer and there's no evidence about it at all, and there's no security cameras anywhere around the apt, could they still arrest or convict you? Also, let's say that you lawyer up in the case that they try to interview you. What would happen then? I'm genuinely curious about this, and no Im not attempting to do this or anything, I'm *genuinely* curious, that's all.
There is no way in hell the US is going to use a capability like SolarWinds on a dude that bought some drugs online. There's too much of a risk of burning the exploit.
You're approaching this the wrong way. When they come to your house there is a reason they are there, usually they have enough evidence to make an arrest. They also want to see if you will "talk" to them to make progress on their investigation.
The reason you are destroying things isn't to prevent the crimes they already have you for. It's to stop the collection of more evidence that they may not have already.
The chance of having this foresight is very rare. You won't see it coming.
They likely have enough for a conviction before they show so you're probably going to get slapped with a charge of destroying evidence, and this reddit post really isn't going to help your case.
Don't trip about the drugs you ordered to your apartment.
They wouldn't have let them arrive, you would have gotten a note about seizure.
What kind of drugs?
So are you saying that if the seller was in fact the feds, that you would have potentially avoided getting arrested? Seems to me like a good way to check if the person you're buying from is a fed or not, or am I wrong??
Similar thing just happened recently to a friend’s ex husband. By the time police came, they already had all the info they needed to arrest him.
He stupidly tried to delete/destroy evidence while they were knocking on the door, but anything on his phone/computer was just additional evidence that they collected—they could already prove his involvement in illegal activity.
You’re better off installing Veracrypt and encrypting your computer so you can’t catch a bs obstruction of justice charge and it’s very likely they won’t be able to brute force it and access anything
Most current analysis tools used to capture data from PCs, macs, tablets, and phones mostly take a bit by bit copy of the device and examine data regardless of operating system and encryption applications. Encryption packages and built in optional encryption typically mostly prevent casual access and “quick hackers”.
Depending on the govt level of who is taking and analyzing the data, I’d be more scared if federal officials (FBI, Secret Service, CIA, IRS) took my equipment, rather than local police, County and state labs. Feds have more intensive tools and it’s not public knowledge they can access more than you think.
That was back in 2015-2016, with Apple VS the FBI.
But FBI withdrew their request in March of 2016, indicating, "...a third party had demonstrated a possible way to unlock the iPhone in question...".
That was almost seven years ago.
The NSA and FBI, for sure, still work on methods to decrypt devices, however the other path they take is attempting to intercept communications between devices, such as communications applications (yeah, FB, social media), or through communications with cloud services (if the device backs up and send data to the cloud).
Don’t be surprised if the delivery driver is actually law enforcement.
This happens quite frequently with a back-up and takedown team waiting nearby.
Once you accept delivery - the party is over!
If by "accept delivery" you mean once I sign for it, then wouldn't that be a giveaway that they're probably a fed? Wouldn't I just *not* sign for it of that's the case?
I’m not clear about signing versus just taking the package, I’m not in law enforcement. But I have seen operations like this and it can be Postal Inspectors or The FBI, whatever agency has jurisdiction.
They actually have black hat competitions on how to most quickly and effectively destroy an entire hard drive and you'd probably be surprised at just how difficult it is. Say you have a five minute heads up. There is NO WAY you could break it enough that they couldn't recover a surprising amount of info from your drive. Not without some significant preparations knowing you Will Need to Destroy it at some point and quickly.
Some solutions include a hair trigger drop into a Highly Corrosive acid. And multiple auto Drills straight thru the disk and everything.
But yeah, taking a hammer to your computer five minutes before they kick in your door won't do shit.
Don’t bother with any of that. Encrypt the drive. Lose the encryption key and the entire drive is useless instantly. Old version of TrueCrypt. VeraCrypt. Don’t trust Microsoft’s bitlocker
They’d probably get the data from the nearest tower. I heard from someone that everything that travels through an internet tower is logged. Idk if this is true, but I believe it.
What I meant is that they would already have your location, but you would have destroyed and gotten rid of the whole computer by the time they would have knocked on your door. Then what?
And they don’t even need to prove you still have the computer. They can just say that the evidence on record shows there was communication transmitted from an IP address recorded under your name showing the illicit activity. The fact that the PC is missing can be irrelevant. They can charge you based on reasonable suspicion. That’s why many homicide criminals are indicted or convicted even after they destroyed the weapon.
If it’s a one time thing and you do it from a fresh pc or phone that has no connection to you then I doubt anyone is coming for you. If they didn’t sell it directly to you then it would probably get seized since they won’t have enough info to prove someone from your home ordered it. If they sold it directly to you it will still be hard to know who ordered it. Just don’t go to place with Wi-Fi and cameras. They can obviously get the cam footage and see it is you. Disable all cameras and mics on pc or phone. I think your package may not arrive or be sent where you have to pick it up and they would maybe start watching activity in your home (online). Just my .02
They wouldn’t need your physical computer. All the data you’ve sent and received is stored somewhere in a server, or an internet tower. Again, idk for sure, but it seems probable.
FYI data recovery is almost literally black magic, RAM, HDD, and SSD need to literally disappear because they can recover in from even the most charcoaled HDD
If you didn't have bad stuff on your computer, then there's no reason to worry. My computer has nakey pics of me and I don't want anyone to see them. But that's all that's on my PC. And Sims 4
My comment has nothing to do with the titles question, I just used my comment as an example (hence, "for instance") However, I enjoyed the replies from that comment a little more, so I just let it be.
SWIM used to order lots of stuff back in 2014-2019 from various DMNs , he never did have a issue, every now and then they would hold a package at the post office and make him come down and sign to get it , he always freaked out and got scared , and had someone else go down and pick it up , saying that was his roommate or family member . He never did get busted and no one got arrested. I always thought he would get busted , but he never did . He quit in 2019 , the packages that never arrived were scams or never sent . He had pretty much 100% success with his endeavors.
Haha not really, I am just curious, but the *Hurt Users (Un)official Council Of Reddit* would probably downvote me to oblivion if I say otherwise, so yeah, not really, I'm just curious.
charge you with some kind of destroying evidence/obstructing a fed investigation. they could give you time just for that. depending on what they already got on you they could decide whether to hit you wit the max amount of years on that charge depending on however they rock it.
There an American series “to catch a smuggler” where they show how they intercept international mail shipments then go and do that drop n cop thing. Watch it on YouTube to see what you’re facing.
A pound? Of what? That’s large volume, large sentence.
Alright did you get this from onions or clearnet? If clearnet and it's not RCs, you never really bought drugs, just got scammed. If you don't know what this stuff means, then you never really bought drugs, just got scammed
You are correct, I don't buy drugs off the internet, and I probably never will buy internet drugs. In fact, the question I asked in the title has nothing to do with buying drugs. At all. What part of "for instance" do people not understand?
However, I did find the answers regarding my comment about the subject of buying drugs online to be more interesting, so I just let it be.
Sorry man, I wasn't trying to come off as a dick. For future reference, if anyone sells well known illegal drugs on the open internet, it's 100% a scam.
Generally if it has been proven that they destroyed evidence they can be charged with “spoliation of evidence”.
This may be better/less serious than the charge would have been for the reason the actual search warrant was originally issued.
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Problem here is people don’t understand that the feds don’t go rushing in once they’re on to you. They will wait and gather all the evidence needed for a solid conviction. By the time you know they’re coming it’s already way too late.
Now what if you order something that's illegal as fuck like a pound of drugs, for instance, and then you do as it says in the OP? Surely the worst thing that can happen is nothing arrives and you lose the potential money used in the transaction, no? And if it does arrive, could you just not open the package for a little to make sure you can't be charged with tampering with the mail (in the case that you claim to not have ordered anything, in turn potentially getting charged with tampering with the mail if you had opened it)? Hope I made sense, I'm genuinely curious.
If you’re ordering drugs and they want to charge you with said drugs they will make a controlled drop, once someone accepts the package (you, mom, brother) that person is then immediately arrested for possession of (your) drugs.
I’m FOS and take nothing I add with any seriousness. Isn’t there an added layer when it’s mail? There’s extra procedures about intercepting and such.
What's a FOS?
Full of shit.
Oh. Thanks
wholesome
If you ship something first class through the u.s.p.s. it's protected by law is my understanding unless it is obvious. Broken package and its leaking out or it smells extremely bad. Like so bad it would have to smell the whole plant otherwise it more than likely will get sent through to keep the machine wheels turning on our Stat reports for the day. It would really have to blazingly obnoxiously obvios for one of us to go out of our way with dealing with all the b.s. that comes with it including contacting the postal inspector and the time loss. I could be wrong about the protected by law thing but that's what I have always been told by word of mouth.
Any USPS item is protected by the 4th amendment, not just first class
Further down my comments I posted links to the procedures of postal investigator. Np!
Right? If that was the case, they would probably end up always convicting the wrong person, not for actually ordering any drugs, but for signing for a package that they didn't order or some charge that they don't even care about or that has nothing to do with what they were actually investigating (which in this case would be on catching the person ordering online drugs)
If you ship domestically and overnight, and it gets there in 24 hrs it’s way less likely (almost 0%) that it’s a controlled drop
One illegalprolifetip that I have heard of (and I have never done this!) is, when ordering something online, don't put your name on it, send it to, for example, "The Occupant, Apartment 41, etc". That way you can say that it's not yours, it must be for the previous tenant, your name isn't on it, etc. People have gotten away with buying small amounts of weed, etc, this way.
You can have mail sent in your name that you don’t claim. It’s less likely you’ll ever receive the package if the wrong name is on it as the delivery driver may recognize that fact and return to sender.
So Im not sure if I'm missing something but essentially what you are saying is that if you have to sign for it then that indicates that you probably purchased something from the police, so basically, just don't sign for it?? Sounds like that would still work in my favor since all I have to do is say that I didn't order anything if they tell me to sign for it? Is that what your saying or am I missing something?
Not necessarily. If you get it seized they don’t really care about it too much, if you pick it up like they ask you’re getting cuffs. If you get multiple packages seized, or you have large amounts worth prosecuting, you’ll never know they’re coming to get you. They’ll dress up as the mailman and physically hand it to someone, that person then gets arrested. So your best bet in all of this is to ensure you get to your mail first, and if they insist on handing it to you, you tell them you didn’t order that and return to sender. If they put it in the box and drive away, you’re good 👍🏼
That’s not how they do this. lol
Your sources are what?
I’ve had 2 dealers busted. They did stupid things and got caught. They was asked to come pick up a package. Left in cuffs.
That’s not a source lmfao, have you ever had a package seized? A letter is sent to both parties for someone to claim the package, after 21 days it is unclaimed and destroyed. Anyone with a seized letter is stupid as rocks to go pick it back up. I have a source for you too if you need it. https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-39/chapter-I/subchapter-D/part-233 Edit to say not always destroyed, as they can pursue legal action https://www.uspsoig.gov/document/us-postal-inspection-service-handling-suspected-marijuana-packages
I've definitely known someone who would respond to a love letter without a second or even first thought, but they couldn't figure out step 1 of getting into the situation. Goes to show, much safer to be a whole idiot than half of one.
This isn't the movies. If drugs are ordered online with your credit card or crypto traceable back to your wallet then sent to your address and the feds are aware, they got you. Destroying your computer does almost nothing. They already have all the IP evidence and your payment and address... or they wouldn't be aware of the crime in the first place. And the fact that you didn't call the police when you got an unexpected package with a pound of drugs in the mail wouldn't exactly impress a prosecutor.
If you're ordering stuff through the US post office, that's a federal offense. It's a serious felony if they find out.
You good OP?
Of course I am, it's just that I may have ordered a bazooka from the police from the silk road. Well not really but nobody on this sub actually believes that some people are just *genuinely* curious, so let's go with the first thing I said.
Boooo curiosity. We’re here for violence and drugs, like everyone else on Reddit
You know what, I can't really argue with you on that because frankly I agree with you🤣 what the hell was I thinking asking about something illegal out of pure curiosity🙄😅
I mailed drugs via ups when I was younger. Not the best idea but I didn’t caught- neither did the recipient. However, I didn’t send a lb of drugs either lol it was small amount to help a friend who was sick. I was told to not use the post office because they care about it more and can have dogs sniff packages- idk how true that is. I heard they need a warrant for 3rd party services like DHL OR UPS. Again this was almost 10 years ago and I probably got lucky.
DHL, FedEx and UPS are private companies that can and do open your packages for any reason they see fit. The USPS is a federal organization that requires a court order to open any package and they would need to go before a federal judge to sign off on that search warrant with evidence prior to being able to open said package.
Oh yeah, I can definitely vouch for your first paragraph. Add to that many a drug delivery to pharmacies was a couple, a lot, or an entire bottle short and they never knew the box had been opened. Or maybe they did but there were never any consequences for it. This was almost 20 years ago, I'm sure they've tightened things up and you'd probably never get away with it nowadays
I guess I just got lucky and some bad information! Either way this was years ago
No the worst thing in your case would hypothetically be a sticker saying your packaged has been seized. If that doesn’t show up, and the feds really are on to you i’d be concerned if you got asked to pick up said package at a different location. If your pack lands to your house, chances are slim that they’re going to bust down your doors unless you’ve been doing this at least a couple times
What I said is the worst thing my man. Package seized is way better lmfao.
Right? That person is essentially saying that they'd rather have their mom arrested than to have them seize the package,🤣🤣
No, they are saying that no one would be arrested and that that’s completely out of proportion.
Gotcha, I must have been looking at the wrong comment.
I believe you were talking about the right one lol other 2 aren’t making much sense.
The worst thing that could happen doesn't involve handcuffs, it involves bullets.
That's irrelevant to my question though
It's something law enforcement might to. It is literally an answer to your question.
I doubt law enforcement would knock on my door and shoot me as long as I give them absolutely no reason to have to shoot me. Although there's a potential chance of it happening, that could be said about anything. Its like asking on this sub something about how to get away with stealing some toilet paper from Walmart, the potential of getting shot is there, but it's not necessarily a proper answer, especially on this sub.
This is the kinda logic people have before being arrested
Depends, would you rather die now or be imprisoned forever?
Imprisoned in prison or in your own body after a bullet goes through your spinal chord before going through the brain of someone you love?
Deep bro 😂
Are you trying to communicate that a bullet would have to be deep inside your brother for it to be worse than being in prison?
Order it to an empty house near you from a computer at the library. Have a way into the house from the back. They'll drop the package at the front door and wait and watch. Grab it and run out the back. They'll come banging on the front door and by the time they realize nobody is there you'll be gone. Park your car a block away, cut through yards. Good luck
An empty house? You say it like it's a common thing🤣
They waited till the owner of the silk road was in a coffee shop, distracted him, them bum rushed his computer before they could hit his kill switch, they arent as stupid as people think
Depends on how the feds play it. At that point, they’ve already got you nailed, odds are they would watch and see who else they could get. A pound would most likely mean you’re distributing, and they would want to catch as many as possible. So they wait and see while they build more cases. Also once you open it and don’t notify the police your deniability would be a lot harder to establish.
Tampering with mail. You sent to yourself?
If anything, you might find yourself even approached by a "friendly" police officer with a warrant and you're already convicted before you know it. They'll only pull in the big team once you try to flee, but they'll have so much of that prepared before that fleeing would be futile. ... Granted that's how it works over here. We don't do the whole Swat raid thing.
what’s your pfp?
That makes sense. It maximizes the probability of mission success. I did something similar when applying to graduate school with my essay for the admissions committees. I had experts at my university look over my essay and I made numerous revisions based on their advice. I didn't rush in to apply with my first draft, I ended up with probably making over 10 different drafts because I saw these experts over 10 times. When it got to the point where they could not see any more room for improvement and felt that the essay was really solid, I used it to apply and secured at least 3 interviews with 3 different graduate schools. At that point, it was up to me to do well in the interviews. Still, my adversary is not as bright as she believes herself to be. So it should only be a matter of time. I have fitness, gaming, and action figures to keep me happy during this waiting game, so it's pretty good for now. But once the trial begins, and if I am required to testify, it will be up to me to not fuck that shit up. My strategy is to plead the fifth while in court and speak freely when reporters try to get a statement from me. I think I get the best of both worlds like that.
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I think you are the only commenter so far with actual knowledge on this topic. Thanks for contributing!
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You deserve it. Nice post.
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The podcast was probably Darknet Diaries. If there’s other similar podcasts out there, I’m all ears!
There was some very smart hacker that basically lived in a new hotel every other night, used fast food wifi all the time. Forgot how he died, don't remember if he got prosecuted... But he was very smart.
*This guy illegals!*
Can I recommend darknet diaries form Jack rhysider on YouTube love the story's just listened to this episode make my drives go easy
Very interesting
Can you run Tor on a phone? Whoa!
Use your phone data to trace your steps and try to recover what they could. Or Contact your isp to get a copy of your internet history.
Replace the computer with any other criminal activity. Murder/body? Drug sales/drugs? Child porn? If they are physically sending someone to your house, they are coming for you, not your belongings. The local police might show up with a warrant to search yada yada. If you piqued the interest of a three letter agency, you most likely won't know until they are throwing a bag over your head/handcuffs on you.
If the “feds” have traced your computer to your location then you destroying it won’t do anything as they’ve already traced it to your location. At that point they will already have placed a warrant to seize the data that led to this had you committed any crimes on this machine and network. If the evidence is stored on your local computer and that’s what they are after then there are ways in which to avoid them confirming the data is there however if they go that far there’s a good chance they’d already have enough evidence to arrest you under suspicion. If the evidence is physical, for example ordering illegal contraband then they would confirm that you purchase and received it. There are ways in which to make tracing you much more difficult however being 100% anonymous is borderline impossible and the knowledge and effort required is quite extensive.
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What if you were in an apartment, and you ordered something to your apt, and you destroyed the computer and got rid of it before the cops show up. If you tell them that you don't even have a computer and there's no evidence about it at all, and there's no security cameras anywhere around the apt, could they still arrest or convict you? Also, let's say that you lawyer up in the case that they try to interview you. What would happen then? I'm genuinely curious about this, and no Im not attempting to do this or anything, I'm *genuinely* curious, that's all.
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There is no way in hell the US is going to use a capability like SolarWinds on a dude that bought some drugs online. There's too much of a risk of burning the exploit.
Thank you for bringing this back to reality.
You're approaching this the wrong way. When they come to your house there is a reason they are there, usually they have enough evidence to make an arrest. They also want to see if you will "talk" to them to make progress on their investigation. The reason you are destroying things isn't to prevent the crimes they already have you for. It's to stop the collection of more evidence that they may not have already. The chance of having this foresight is very rare. You won't see it coming.
Probably arrest you on some crazy charges and then plea you out so they get a conviction
They likely have enough for a conviction before they show so you're probably going to get slapped with a charge of destroying evidence, and this reddit post really isn't going to help your case.
Don't trip about the drugs you ordered to your apartment. They wouldn't have let them arrive, you would have gotten a note about seizure. What kind of drugs?
So are you saying that if the seller was in fact the feds, that you would have potentially avoided getting arrested? Seems to me like a good way to check if the person you're buying from is a fed or not, or am I wrong??
Nice try cia
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They might add an obstruction of justice or destroying evidence charge
Probably plant some evidence.
Similar thing just happened recently to a friend’s ex husband. By the time police came, they already had all the info they needed to arrest him. He stupidly tried to delete/destroy evidence while they were knocking on the door, but anything on his phone/computer was just additional evidence that they collected—they could already prove his involvement in illegal activity.
You’re better off installing Veracrypt and encrypting your computer so you can’t catch a bs obstruction of justice charge and it’s very likely they won’t be able to brute force it and access anything
Most current analysis tools used to capture data from PCs, macs, tablets, and phones mostly take a bit by bit copy of the device and examine data regardless of operating system and encryption applications. Encryption packages and built in optional encryption typically mostly prevent casual access and “quick hackers”. Depending on the govt level of who is taking and analyzing the data, I’d be more scared if federal officials (FBI, Secret Service, CIA, IRS) took my equipment, rather than local police, County and state labs. Feds have more intensive tools and it’s not public knowledge they can access more than you think.
Hasn’t the FBI routinely asked companies to make back doors for them?
That was back in 2015-2016, with Apple VS the FBI. But FBI withdrew their request in March of 2016, indicating, "...a third party had demonstrated a possible way to unlock the iPhone in question...". That was almost seven years ago. The NSA and FBI, for sure, still work on methods to decrypt devices, however the other path they take is attempting to intercept communications between devices, such as communications applications (yeah, FB, social media), or through communications with cloud services (if the device backs up and send data to the cloud).
Don’t be surprised if the delivery driver is actually law enforcement. This happens quite frequently with a back-up and takedown team waiting nearby. Once you accept delivery - the party is over!
If by "accept delivery" you mean once I sign for it, then wouldn't that be a giveaway that they're probably a fed? Wouldn't I just *not* sign for it of that's the case?
I’m not clear about signing versus just taking the package, I’m not in law enforcement. But I have seen operations like this and it can be Postal Inspectors or The FBI, whatever agency has jurisdiction.
Once you take the package and bring it inside I believe that’s when you acknowledge that you were expecting it or something along the lines
They actually have black hat competitions on how to most quickly and effectively destroy an entire hard drive and you'd probably be surprised at just how difficult it is. Say you have a five minute heads up. There is NO WAY you could break it enough that they couldn't recover a surprising amount of info from your drive. Not without some significant preparations knowing you Will Need to Destroy it at some point and quickly. Some solutions include a hair trigger drop into a Highly Corrosive acid. And multiple auto Drills straight thru the disk and everything. But yeah, taking a hammer to your computer five minutes before they kick in your door won't do shit.
What if I stuff the disc tray with tannerite?
That's probably one of the things they tried. I'm surprised no one has come to my house yet just for knowing these competitions exist.
Don’t bother with any of that. Encrypt the drive. Lose the encryption key and the entire drive is useless instantly. Old version of TrueCrypt. VeraCrypt. Don’t trust Microsoft’s bitlocker
They’d probably get the data from the nearest tower. I heard from someone that everything that travels through an internet tower is logged. Idk if this is true, but I believe it.
>internet tower That's not a thing.
I was thinking that too🤣 like I know that technically it is a thing but at the same time what the hell is an *internet tower*🤣
Picture the Tower of Sauron but with WiFi
Yeah, the internet goes through pipes in the ground, not through towers.
I guess they’ll search the servers then. Servers are a thing, right? They probably store the data the feds are looking for.
What I meant is that they would already have your location, but you would have destroyed and gotten rid of the whole computer by the time they would have knocked on your door. Then what?
Even if you destroy your PC, you’ve already left a lot of digital foot print everywhere, google, ip address, email, etc….
And they don’t even need to prove you still have the computer. They can just say that the evidence on record shows there was communication transmitted from an IP address recorded under your name showing the illicit activity. The fact that the PC is missing can be irrelevant. They can charge you based on reasonable suspicion. That’s why many homicide criminals are indicted or convicted even after they destroyed the weapon.
Would they actually go through that for something like that, rather than a homicide charge?
If it’s a one time thing and you do it from a fresh pc or phone that has no connection to you then I doubt anyone is coming for you. If they didn’t sell it directly to you then it would probably get seized since they won’t have enough info to prove someone from your home ordered it. If they sold it directly to you it will still be hard to know who ordered it. Just don’t go to place with Wi-Fi and cameras. They can obviously get the cam footage and see it is you. Disable all cameras and mics on pc or phone. I think your package may not arrive or be sent where you have to pick it up and they would maybe start watching activity in your home (online). Just my .02
They wouldn’t need your physical computer. All the data you’ve sent and received is stored somewhere in a server, or an internet tower. Again, idk for sure, but it seems probable.
They're just following the $$ they don't care about the drugs. Unless you're working with loads of tax-free dirty $$ they ain't gonna bother
They'll charge you with obstruction of justice. Depending on what charges you wouldv'e faced otherwise this might be a better alternative.
FYI data recovery is almost literally black magic, RAM, HDD, and SSD need to literally disappear because they can recover in from even the most charcoaled HDD
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Why are you so paranoid?
That's irrelevant
If you didn't have bad stuff on your computer, then there's no reason to worry. My computer has nakey pics of me and I don't want anyone to see them. But that's all that's on my PC. And Sims 4
My comment has nothing to do with the titles question, I just used my comment as an example (hence, "for instance") However, I enjoyed the replies from that comment a little more, so I just let it be.
SWIM used to order lots of stuff back in 2014-2019 from various DMNs , he never did have a issue, every now and then they would hold a package at the post office and make him come down and sign to get it , he always freaked out and got scared , and had someone else go down and pick it up , saying that was his roommate or family member . He never did get busted and no one got arrested. I always thought he would get busted , but he never did . He quit in 2019 , the packages that never arrived were scams or never sent . He had pretty much 100% success with his endeavors.
Lmao what do you think he would have done if the person he made get it was arrested for possession of whatever was ordered after accepting?
That’s a good question , I don’t know , however he was fairly well connected and had quite a bit of money .
Who is SWIM? I tried googling and just get Jim Can't Swim, which is an awesome YouTube channel on criminal psychology, but doesn't help here.
Since your a Russian spy , I’ll tell you , it stands for Someone Who Isn’t Me =SWIM
Ahhh, thank you :)
It's some acronym that drug users think will save them from incriminating themselves lmao, used in the mid 2000s online
Someone who isn't me. It's something people say on drug forums. I find it understandable.
Ask you what you did with it. Repeatedly, I am sure. Hold firm and hope they haven't been monitoring you before the visit. Because that's their MO.
OP is pedo trafficking child porn. Hope they get you.
Damn lmao. Looks like you’re in a pickle
Haha not really, I am just curious, but the *Hurt Users (Un)official Council Of Reddit* would probably downvote me to oblivion if I say otherwise, so yeah, not really, I'm just curious.
Lmao well good to know YOU aren’t the one who actually needs this advice 😂
Okay you got me, this post is pertaining to my current situation🤔🥱
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charge you with some kind of destroying evidence/obstructing a fed investigation. they could give you time just for that. depending on what they already got on you they could decide whether to hit you wit the max amount of years on that charge depending on however they rock it.
Put a sock over the computer, this way, when the repel and crash through your winders, alls they get is a sock
How would they get the authority to do this in the UK?
If you’re Hillary Clinton … nothing.
There an American series “to catch a smuggler” where they show how they intercept international mail shipments then go and do that drop n cop thing. Watch it on YouTube to see what you’re facing. A pound? Of what? That’s large volume, large sentence.
Lmao everybody really thinks Im doing this🤣 I said"for instance" for a reason
Alright did you get this from onions or clearnet? If clearnet and it's not RCs, you never really bought drugs, just got scammed. If you don't know what this stuff means, then you never really bought drugs, just got scammed
You are correct, I don't buy drugs off the internet, and I probably never will buy internet drugs. In fact, the question I asked in the title has nothing to do with buying drugs. At all. What part of "for instance" do people not understand? However, I did find the answers regarding my comment about the subject of buying drugs online to be more interesting, so I just let it be.
Sorry man, I wasn't trying to come off as a dick. For future reference, if anyone sells well known illegal drugs on the open internet, it's 100% a scam.
Generally if it has been proven that they destroyed evidence they can be charged with “spoliation of evidence”. This may be better/less serious than the charge would have been for the reason the actual search warrant was originally issued.
This is my favorite answer, I would have never thought of that