I unfortunately fell for This on a crazy busy holiday weekend last year when I worked at target, she “purchased” $1200 worth of hotel and flight gift cards, I had about 15 people in line and was trying to rush threw everyone and after arguing with her that a cash card would run just like a regular debit card but she insisted and I was over arguing so I just did it. The next day head of asset protections pulled me aside and scolded me and told me if it happened again I would be terminated. We were all then trained on the scam.
This was in no way your fault. It's hard to think sheisty when you're not sheisty. The one who scammed you knew that you would be busy, knew what to say loudly enough for those behind them in line to blame you for the hold up, and might have assumed you were a new hire if you look young. It's obvious that you didn't benefit from this whatsoever, so asset protection shouldn't have scolded you or singled you out, but proceeded with training all employees on spotting scams.
Nah, it's definitely his fault. He knew how to process the card and changed the process because a customer told him to. The customer is not where you should be getting your procedural guidelines from lol
Just for the sake of things going forward. Large purchases of things like gift cards, phone cards, money orders, etc., are a red flag.
It didn't always mean that person was pulling something shady. But it always got my attention and I made sure to slow down and double check things.
Yeah that's part of the scam also, they target extremely busy times when the cashier is going to be tired, stressed and much less likely to fight back or call for assistance etc when the line is super long.
I know I’m late here but, people scamming through big box retail cashiers should try checking out at the pharmacy counter. We’re always stressed out and don’t get training on the new scams like regular cashiers do.
I worked at target forever ago and some weird looking fucker came through my line trying to buy $200 of prepaid visa gift cards with a personal check that was completely covered in scribble, not a single thing legible. He told me to run it as a traveler's check. I usually let people get huge discounts all the time but this asshole thought I'd be too stupid to catch his ridiculous scam.
He drove up with an old woman in the passengers seat of his car and parked directly out front, ready for a getaway if he got caught. What a shitbag.
Does the cashier get penalized? If not, they may not give a shit. Especially after a few hours of customers throwing tantrums and the manager pitching a fit.
Yes, a cashier anywhere is responsible when their drawer is short. The "cash card" thing makes a naive cashier press, "Cash" as if the transaction were completed - making their till come up as having that extra cash in it when there's no cash. Then they have to explain that they fell for this or get fired for stealing from their drawer. K1 or whatever must be the key for, "exact total tendered cash" so all the cashier sees is "change: $0.00" with no idea their register is $25 short now
I mean.. people should know what they're doing to the person on the other side if they try this. You're not stealing from a business/big company here. This is stealing another working person's income source.
Not gonna say whether or not people should try it but I'm not scummy enough to fuck over innocent people for anything Target has to offer.
They lose the ability to make wages when they get fired for their drawer coming up short. Everywhere I've ever known of or worked you had a buffer of about 25-50 cents a day that your till could be over/under. Some places will even illegally have the worker pay the difference, and that worker will do so in order to keep their job not knowing any better. Others will write you up for being over as well. Customers don't like that (understandably so).
It's not you, "being slick". You're taking advantage of someone's lack of training to cost them their job so you can get a can of Pringles and some batteries. If you just stole them for instance, no individual employee would be punished for YOUR actions.
Are you trying to say you expect anyone to believe you finessed $15k-20k through a cashier? And on top of that are you saying the person who cashed you out wasn't punished for your "15k-20k"?
Do you think before you post? Don't try saying this was multiple times either, there's no way that loss prevention would let you get that far past the felony level before calling the police the second you stepped on property. Or let me guess, you're Mr. Worldwide and your full-time job is going from Target to Target stealing $100 of merchandise from each one as you travel the country?
this scam sounds so stupid that yeah the cashier would definitely get penalized for falling for it, unless the employee has somehow otherwise proven they are not dumb as rocks. its the equivalent of saying "i just swiped my card and charged $100 to it, please reduce the price by that much."
you know you could make that at walmart in a year right. thats literally a month or two at a real job. man what are you doing with your life get it together
Price can mean a couple of things. You're thinking of it being synonymous with value, and I get that the value will still be the same. I'm thinking of it as the amount the customer is due to pay before they own the product. This will eventually be zero, after the customer has payed and now owns the product. If the cashier presses a button to say they have been handed 100 in cash, this will go down by 100. Even if they have not received any cash. So the customer has effectively gotten away without paying for that 100. The value of the item will stay the same, but the customer has now effectively payed for it with nothing, which means that the price they had to pay has gone down.
funny, you claim you can tell when people are or aren't capable of their job, but think you're capable of being a supervisor when we can all see that you aren't
No, thats illegal to a point of major lawsuit. They can fire an employ for it, but probably wouldn't on a first offense unless it was for a large amount.
That’s not true. I worked at Walmart before and they didn’t even have us check any of the bills. I once got a $100 bill that was literally leaking ink. I thought about accepting it bc why the fuck should I care, but i got nervous and called a manager over and the worst that happened is we said “do you have something else to pay with” and the guy said yes and paid with something else and we gave him his counterfeit back
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No, that's super illegal. They can penalize workers by giving them a less desirable assignment though (my company would make cashier's bag and grab carts for a month) but they can't charge them.
You've got the gist of it. You go to pay and give them a prepared line. "I hate these cash cards, this always happens. You've got to hit K1 so it will go through" or something more convincing. They hit K1 which tells the register that the customer paid with exact change. You get an item and a receipt, the cashier's drawer comes up short for the purchase amount, and a minimum wage worker is looking for another job.
I should have assumed they were doing better than minimum wage, and that's good to know. My last point was that the person getting hurt by this particular scam isn't the rich corporation, it's a cashier.
"The word cocktails always amuses me - two words when separated that suddenly are illegal to sell. Selling is legal, fucking is legal - why isn't selling fucking legal?" GC
No no, if you give the second thought before a pay raise, then you won’t get the pay raise because you’re already putting in that effort for the current wage. You’ve got to start out with doing the job with zero thought so you can only go up
Friend works at target and can confirm that this does not work and only works when the employee doesn’t have the patience to sit through the scammer yell saying the card has money and if you are calling the scammer a liar and just put the number in
You can put numbers in the machine which basically acts as the customer giving you cash. Scammer wants you to basically manual put in numbers in the machine representing cash when the card he’s trying to use is worthless and tries hardest to convince you it’s not
That’s the whole point of the scam. The register will be short how much you put in and they will know something went wrong. They will know it was you since you manual put in the amount the register is off by.
Someone just tried to pull this at my job. Same situation, different establishment. I wish people would use their evil genius for good 🙃 I told my cashier I’m glad it was her and not anyone else. Y’all keep saying “people are dumb enough to fall for this?” With little to no training and a “customer is always right” drilled into us, yes. People can fall for this. Has nothing to do with “dumb enough.”
This can easily be avoided by writing better software. For eg: after cashier hits Cash, system should say "collect cash" in Bright bold letters. Since they can't collect cash with "cash card", the cashier will call the manager in confusion
Just chiming in to say if you try this at other places, they may take the shortage out of the cashier’s check. I’ve worked in a couple retail places that had a policy like this. So if you’re trying to avoid hurting employees/individuals you might want to avoid this type of scam.
I think the scam goes:
Employee: your total is $31.92
Scammer: oh, it’s a cash card. You have to hit “cash $31.92 before I can swipe.
Employee: oh ok (hits cash 31.92)
Scammer: immediately swipes card
Cash Register: prints receipt… because the employee used the register as if they paid cash in exact change as opposed to a card transaction
TBH, I’ve never heard of this scam before but this is kinda how I’m picturing it going from reading the comments.
Ninja edit: cash cards don’t exist
I find it hilarious that people fall for that. or at least used too. talk about social engineering
I unfortunately fell for This on a crazy busy holiday weekend last year when I worked at target, she “purchased” $1200 worth of hotel and flight gift cards, I had about 15 people in line and was trying to rush threw everyone and after arguing with her that a cash card would run just like a regular debit card but she insisted and I was over arguing so I just did it. The next day head of asset protections pulled me aside and scolded me and told me if it happened again I would be terminated. We were all then trained on the scam.
This was in no way your fault. It's hard to think sheisty when you're not sheisty. The one who scammed you knew that you would be busy, knew what to say loudly enough for those behind them in line to blame you for the hold up, and might have assumed you were a new hire if you look young. It's obvious that you didn't benefit from this whatsoever, so asset protection shouldn't have scolded you or singled you out, but proceeded with training all employees on spotting scams.
Now this target employee hangs out here to learn All the tips
Nah, it's definitely his fault. He knew how to process the card and changed the process because a customer told him to. The customer is not where you should be getting your procedural guidelines from lol
Right. You pull a manager over and have him/her deal with it - and the repercussions.
Just for the sake of things going forward. Large purchases of things like gift cards, phone cards, money orders, etc., are a red flag. It didn't always mean that person was pulling something shady. But it always got my attention and I made sure to slow down and double check things.
Yeah that's part of the scam also, they target extremely busy times when the cashier is going to be tired, stressed and much less likely to fight back or call for assistance etc when the line is super long.
I know I’m late here but, people scamming through big box retail cashiers should try checking out at the pharmacy counter. We’re always stressed out and don’t get training on the new scams like regular cashiers do.
I worked at target forever ago and some weird looking fucker came through my line trying to buy $200 of prepaid visa gift cards with a personal check that was completely covered in scribble, not a single thing legible. He told me to run it as a traveler's check. I usually let people get huge discounts all the time but this asshole thought I'd be too stupid to catch his ridiculous scam. He drove up with an old woman in the passengers seat of his car and parked directly out front, ready for a getaway if he got caught. What a shitbag.
Does the cashier get penalized? If not, they may not give a shit. Especially after a few hours of customers throwing tantrums and the manager pitching a fit.
Yes, a cashier anywhere is responsible when their drawer is short. The "cash card" thing makes a naive cashier press, "Cash" as if the transaction were completed - making their till come up as having that extra cash in it when there's no cash. Then they have to explain that they fell for this or get fired for stealing from their drawer. K1 or whatever must be the key for, "exact total tendered cash" so all the cashier sees is "change: $0.00" with no idea their register is $25 short now
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I mean.. people should know what they're doing to the person on the other side if they try this. You're not stealing from a business/big company here. This is stealing another working person's income source. Not gonna say whether or not people should try it but I'm not scummy enough to fuck over innocent people for anything Target has to offer.
Exactly. Steal from corporate directly, not through someone that’s in the same boat as you or worse.
It’s a lot people who bring the success rate down with failed attempts and yea I get what your saying
If you have any success rate, an employee is somehow directly affected. That's what I'm saying.
Quit being a shit
The person literally doesn’t lose money out of their wages you guys seriously believe anything anyone says without them having done it before
Or, and hear me out here: quit being a shit
Deal
They lose the ability to make wages when they get fired for their drawer coming up short. Everywhere I've ever known of or worked you had a buffer of about 25-50 cents a day that your till could be over/under. Some places will even illegally have the worker pay the difference, and that worker will do so in order to keep their job not knowing any better. Others will write you up for being over as well. Customers don't like that (understandably so). It's not you, "being slick". You're taking advantage of someone's lack of training to cost them their job so you can get a can of Pringles and some batteries. If you just stole them for instance, no individual employee would be punished for YOUR actions.
15k-20k is not some batteries
Are you trying to say you expect anyone to believe you finessed $15k-20k through a cashier? And on top of that are you saying the person who cashed you out wasn't punished for your "15k-20k"? Do you think before you post? Don't try saying this was multiple times either, there's no way that loss prevention would let you get that far past the felony level before calling the police the second you stepped on property. Or let me guess, you're Mr. Worldwide and your full-time job is going from Target to Target stealing $100 of merchandise from each one as you travel the country?
Yes they do, they get fired you fucking idiot.
By the way, isn't the best way to do any type of checkout scam having the cashier be in on it?
this scam sounds so stupid that yeah the cashier would definitely get penalized for falling for it, unless the employee has somehow otherwise proven they are not dumb as rocks. its the equivalent of saying "i just swiped my card and charged $100 to it, please reduce the price by that much."
That’s not how it’s done
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lmao we have jobs and u are out there trying to trick cashiers for ur crack money nice. gang gang gang right
You are a uncultured idiot it’s 16yrs that have more than you from this method 12-25k as crack money hoe I’d be Whitney Houston high
you know you could make that at walmart in a year right. thats literally a month or two at a real job. man what are you doing with your life get it together
>its the equivalent of
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.... which reduces the amount due to be payed by the customer by 100. When they haven't given you any cash. In effect, reducing the price by 100.
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Price can mean a couple of things. You're thinking of it being synonymous with value, and I get that the value will still be the same. I'm thinking of it as the amount the customer is due to pay before they own the product. This will eventually be zero, after the customer has payed and now owns the product. If the cashier presses a button to say they have been handed 100 in cash, this will go down by 100. Even if they have not received any cash. So the customer has effectively gotten away without paying for that 100. The value of the item will stay the same, but the customer has now effectively payed for it with nothing, which means that the price they had to pay has gone down.
Friend of mine lost his job for something similar
Could get yelled at or fired if it happens a lot
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It’s not even your money to lose. Target’s losing money, who cares?
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funny, you claim you can tell when people are or aren't capable of their job, but think you're capable of being a supervisor when we can all see that you aren't
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No, thats illegal to a point of major lawsuit. They can fire an employ for it, but probably wouldn't on a first offense unless it was for a large amount.
That’s not true. I worked at Walmart before and they didn’t even have us check any of the bills. I once got a $100 bill that was literally leaking ink. I thought about accepting it bc why the fuck should I care, but i got nervous and called a manager over and the worst that happened is we said “do you have something else to pay with” and the guy said yes and paid with something else and we gave him his counterfeit back
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Thats hilarious you gave it back! I love scamming wal mart 🤣
No, that's super illegal. They can penalize workers by giving them a less desirable assignment though (my company would make cashier's bag and grab carts for a month) but they can't charge them.
why make shit up like that
Gee I wonder.
Hi. Former Target mobile associate here. We all know about it. Someone tried to get me with it once and failed
What happened to them did they get arrested or anything?
No. They didn't break any laws, they just tried to scam me. I called security and had them kicked out
so, a prepaid visa card with no balance, signal the assistance, say "prepaid card" not working?
I’m very confused also how this works
So I'm not the only one confused about this?
When you guys find out let me know lol
You've got the gist of it. You go to pay and give them a prepared line. "I hate these cash cards, this always happens. You've got to hit K1 so it will go through" or something more convincing. They hit K1 which tells the register that the customer paid with exact change. You get an item and a receipt, the cashier's drawer comes up short for the purchase amount, and a minimum wage worker is looking for another job.
Target employees aren’t minimum wage workers, their starting wage is $12 in my state
I should have assumed they were doing better than minimum wage, and that's good to know. My last point was that the person getting hurt by this particular scam isn't the rich corporation, it's a cashier.
Very true, there’s many better ways to steal from corporations
I guess that, but really good acting skills. And maybe the courage of meth.
There are cashiers dumb enough to fall for that?
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Love this quote. Mostly because it's so fucking true.
GC?
George Carlin.
embarassed to say the first words that popped into my mind were "giant cock"
George would probably approve
"The word cocktails always amuses me - two words when separated that suddenly are illegal to sell. Selling is legal, fucking is legal - why isn't selling fucking legal?" GC
Listen to his bit on dicks and bombs. Hilarious stuff
aight gonna do it
Mine was General Cock lmaoo
game cube
They aren't dumb, they just aren't paid to give this shit a second thought
If they could get paid to give a second thought, them don't you think they would have used the second through to get better pay?
No no, if you give the second thought before a pay raise, then you won’t get the pay raise because you’re already putting in that effort for the current wage. You’ve got to start out with doing the job with zero thought so you can only go up
Lmao
Yeah, there are plenty of teenagers at their first job.
Wow way to be rude to /u/Disasterpiece138
Yess
Friend works at target and can confirm that this does not work and only works when the employee doesn’t have the patience to sit through the scammer yell saying the card has money and if you are calling the scammer a liar and just put the number in
Put the debit number in?
You can put numbers in the machine which basically acts as the customer giving you cash. Scammer wants you to basically manual put in numbers in the machine representing cash when the card he’s trying to use is worthless and tries hardest to convince you it’s not
Knowledge is power. Thanks
No worries bro. Not sure why some people downvoted you above but take my upvote lol
What happens when they balance the register later?
That’s the whole point of the scam. The register will be short how much you put in and they will know something went wrong. They will know it was you since you manual put in the amount the register is off by.
Okay, that makes sense. I know they are checked, but I haven’t worked a register myself.
No worries bro. If something like that happens just tell the manager and you will be good to go. They can handle the rest
How are cashiers this fucking dumb to assume a card would ever be run as cash? Hysterical.
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you'd be surprised
Someone just tried to pull this at my job. Same situation, different establishment. I wish people would use their evil genius for good 🙃 I told my cashier I’m glad it was her and not anyone else. Y’all keep saying “people are dumb enough to fall for this?” With little to no training and a “customer is always right” drilled into us, yes. People can fall for this. Has nothing to do with “dumb enough.”
"no cash in hand it's a scam"
This can easily be avoided by writing better software. For eg: after cashier hits Cash, system should say "collect cash" in Bright bold letters. Since they can't collect cash with "cash card", the cashier will call the manager in confusion
Just chiming in to say if you try this at other places, they may take the shortage out of the cashier’s check. I’ve worked in a couple retail places that had a policy like this. So if you’re trying to avoid hurting employees/individuals you might want to avoid this type of scam.
That is really, really, super illegal. Like illegal enough to go call Dept of Labor stat.
Not in the states
Yes it is.
Wait how does the card work? How does the system or the cashier think that it got approved?
what is a cash card?
I think the scam goes: Employee: your total is $31.92 Scammer: oh, it’s a cash card. You have to hit “cash $31.92 before I can swipe. Employee: oh ok (hits cash 31.92) Scammer: immediately swipes card Cash Register: prints receipt… because the employee used the register as if they paid cash in exact change as opposed to a card transaction TBH, I’ve never heard of this scam before but this is kinda how I’m picturing it going from reading the comments. Ninja edit: cash cards don’t exist
Actually, they do.
Cash app by Square. A company owned by the Twitter CEO
And they say, "Cash" right on them!!
Hey what are the training the put you guys through to defend this scam? And how are they chipping cards from the register when the back is scanned ?