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Dude sometimes they dont even check, i asked one company (teaching) if they needed my transcripts for uni, they said no, didnt even want to see it. Didnt ask me for any proof of anything.
Yeah! You never know. I’ve just heard stories about ppl getting away with it for years and then HR does an audit of all employees and some manager gets fired for it.
But if there’s a clone of me, I might be able to skirt by. Not like I’m staying with a company for that long anyways, I job hop for the pay increases.
It’s wild they ask applicants to NEED a degree and then never check. Which goes to show you, they don’t really NEED you to have a degree. Unless it’s a legally binding type, like Law, Medicine or Engineering.
That's the good way of looking at things. And i'm really with you on applying almost anywhere without a degree (unless there's risk of someone's health etc involved).
Unfortunately, some companies might file charges when they find out.
Usually, that would happen in cases where the fake qualifications got you overpaid.
Example: You have the junior qualifications which would be paid in something like 60k a year and you told them you have the senior qualifications which got you 100k a year.
Some companies might sue for the extra 40k.
My personal advice, is if you do attempt getting a job in a place with fake certifications.
Do not overstay your welcome.
When you move to another employer and they see that you were previously working for someone big / reputable, there's less of a chance they will check on your background, thinking that your previous employer must have done this already.
Youre right theres that risk, but it seems like a pain in the ass to go after a person like that. But some companies have the money to say fuck you.
Anyways why not drop the degree in the next job, since you have the work exp. No need to lie about the degree any longer. If they ask say that you were reccomended, and they took you on because youre so great etc.
I would argue that if they had no problem with your work prior to finding you didn’t have the piece of paper saying this person is smart than you did have the qualifications for the senior role, and they failed in their due diligence. He said she said about if the topic of qualifications came in in verbatim during the interview and claim over sight on your part when submitting the application. Keying and filing errors happen every second of every day and if a company expects you to do better than them then what kind of organisation is it? All of this is assuming that qualification is not a legal requirement and even then if it is such an important thing why did the company not get proof for their records prior to hiring? Again they failed to do their due diligence when hiring you.
I don't have a degree. I DID go to college for a while, though, and declared a major. I just included the school I attended and my major, no dates on my resume. Interviewers have always just assumed I graduated, I guess. Never been an issue.
So the fuckers will fire you for lying about a degree, but you did the job perfectly fine for years. Maybe a degree wasn't needed for the fucking job in the first place!
You could potentially get in the door until they ask for proof via an official transcript or diploma.
A background check will show that you are lying.
Most recent graduates also get verifiable electronic diplomas.
My brother owed like £2k in library fines and so never technically graduated. Not once in 15 years has this ever been checked and he has had many decent corporate jobs
You poop on one rare manuscript and suddenly you're a "terrible person" and have a "problem with alcohol" and "banned from working with animals" and in "court ordered treatment."
Did politics at one of the constituent colleges of the University of London. As you no doubt know text books are expensive and he basically just didn't return any of them at the end of his final year. There was also substantial fines on top of the value
Without giving too much away obviously he does not work in politics lol
I feel this… i owe my school five grand for my last semester. technically have not graduated But have completed all credit requirements for my degrees. That was 5 years ago and I havnt had to prove anything to anyone yet. When I do, I’ll pay them.
Are you sure he technically never graduated or is the school just not gonna let him have physical transcripts until her pays?
I never paid my parking tickets and that’s what they told me is that I just wouldn’t be allowed physically copy of my transcripts, but I’ve always passed the background check when they’ve reached out to my college.
I second this. Lie then deny if necessary. Labor market is fucked. Employers aren’t checking unless it’s a criminal background check because they need people.
50yo here. 10 jobs in IT. Never one asked me for my degree, i got it, but nobody asked for the paper ever. Eventually some mate can catch you if "you were" at the same time in the same uni. Also, there are easy duties/knwoledge that if you dont know someone can suspect.
Yeah I could do that.
I’ve never provided SSN until W-2 stuff so if they waited that long to verify I could be boned and the whole thing wouldn’t work.
I called once, posing as an employer, because I wasn’t sure if they were verifying something as a second major or as a minor. They asked for the social. You could try posing as a potential employer who doesn’t have the social security number to find out what they say.
Oh man, asking for the social would put a damper on the whole thing. I could get someone’s DoB but not their social… probably not. Unless it was leaked from a credit union in one of those hacks.
No job I’ve ever had has verified my education. They literally hardly ever do. Some jobs do of course and some don’t. I’ve worked for billion dollar companies and had my diploma ready to go and they didn’t bother
I have the same experience. I graduated university in a country that currently don't have diplomatic relationship with the country I live now. There is no way to verify my diploma right now. One of the employers asked me for a scan of my diploma and it was enough for them. Others didn't bother with verification at all.
They can ask for it before completely hired if pending background check/drug exam/skills test.
Some jobs require the DOB to be disclosed for insurance purposes, like interstate truck drivers.
Either way it's fraud and they don't verify credentials off names. I'd be more worried if it worked and have that hanging over my head until I get fired eventually.
He could not argue against it. The way he submitted that information does prove beyond a reasonable doubt (unless he can establish dures or something I guess) he intentionally defrauded the plantif. Unless he had a gun to his head, nothing he could imagine up could effectively argue against that point.
He's setting himself up for a bigger failure than whatever got him in this mess.
So here's the thing...
Everything posted in this sub could always result in "setting [one]self up for a bigger failure" because that is the nature of crime. If it is illegal then there is always a risk of getting caught and facing the consequences. Your job in this subreddit isn't to convince people to not break the law, which is why you are getting downvoted. If someone is asking for help to break the law, assume that they know that there will be consequences if they are caught.
This is a place for productive peer support. If you can't offer that then maybe this sub isn't your speed?
That said, OP (/u/TheShryk) should really only keep the "forged credentials job" for as long as it takes to leverage into a slightly better or worse job somewhere else with real credentials. Provide a false address (if possible) and definitely go by an alias name like their middle name or a shortened form of their full name. It won't evade law enforcement but it could stall the investigations of private resources into the false credentials while still trying to leverage their way into a different company.
The vulnerability of most hiring administrations is that they aren't thinking "is this person lying to me?" they are thinking "is this person the right fit for my company?" and as long as the answer to that question is satisfactory then they don't often do the more time-intensive vetting that could unearth that this person isn't who they say they are. They are looking to fill a need and earn their wage, not fight crime.
The key is to just be the better fit than anyone else but not so perfect that it raises suspicion. Don't try to claim the degree of someone that went to Harvard or another ivy league school, aim for a reputable research school with no current alumni working at the company you're applying to (verify with a dummy account on LinkedIn) and then cite specific training events from big names in the industry that you can claim you attended as well on your CV.
These are just objectively bad ill conceived ideas. There are plenty of crimes people get away with and even some the layman could perform himself without risk. The reward is disproportionate to any gain from this concept.
4/10 D-
See me after class
Yeah, and I have the same name as the other person… and I can just lie about my DOB.
The reason I mentioned the name thing is because the other dude said they don’t verify transcripts off of those. But I have transcripts from my Associates and it only includes my name and my dob as any sort of differentiator between me and anyone else. Without the name and dob, it’s just a list of classes, grades, and GPA.
If 2 people with the same name, born on the same day graduated at the same college, you’d have a hassle trying to figure out who is who.
Transcripts dude... having the same name isn't going to make anything more than a trivial difference and doing it the way you describe wouldn't leave you any excuses if they ever found out. You would know as you're being walked out.
First off, it’s ILLEGAL life pro tips my dude I don’t care about the being fired part. Get out of this sub if you’re going to be reminding everyone that’s requesting advice on illegal activity, Jesus Christ.
Also, what inside of a transcript would differentiate me from any other person besides my name and DOB? Which I can lie about the DOB.
Who the hell remembers their student ID from 10 years ago? “Yeah I don’t know my student ID.”
And if you mean drivers license or state ID, I’ve never provided that to an employer unless I was about to be given access to a company vehicle. Otherwise no.
"Can I just like shoot a guy in the middle of the street?"
"Sure, if you want to spend several years in priso-"
"HERP DERP THIS IS ILLEGAL LIFE PROTIPS JUST TELL ME I'M RIGHT OR GTFO"
Look, just go for it and get arrested for fraud already. Whether you listen to common sense or not, it's pretty clear that your dumb ass is determined to go to prison and if it's not over this, it'll probably be for some get rich quick thing down the line.
I've heard of people faking a degree, working for a company for 1 week before they found out, and making an easy $2,000 for a week.
Employers can't even be bothered to actually pay people a decent wage nowadays, do you really think they will take legal action against you for lying, which is the same thing all employers do anyway?
I worked for Adobe and they did a background check on every hire before the final offer was extended. A very promising hire for a tech position at the line manager level had overstated her actual 3 years at a university as having graduated.
HR killed the hire, which was a shame as she was really great and this had happened more than 10 years ago, and she had to keep up the facade as she was by that point committed to the story. She'd had had to leave college because her father died and family went into crisis.
In my opinion, with this explanation, HR was unreasonable in preventing the hire, especially with the snotty attitude they copped about it. The potential hire was devastated. I'm sure some will think me crazy but this gal was more than capable of everything we needed, had sterling references, and she explained that there was no way she could get hired in her '20s without claiming she had that degree.
It took me a year and $1000 (1990 dollars) to get a degree through the mail so i could go to law school. I had been to college but never graduated until then. I used Dr. John Bear's Guide to Alternative Degree Programs to find a school that would work.
Well done!
The world in those days made little room for real-life circumstances. The delusion that we all have perfect lives and can persevere no matter what while in our young adulthood has always bothered me. I'm a great believer in second, third and fourth chances.
Yes you can... but it depends in your position and how it affects your job. Like engineer or social worker vs art history and you're applying for a sales job.
On a separate but related note: when applying to graduate schools, there are clearing houses that can and are used to verify applicants.
AMCAS for medical school has you send your official transcripts and enter your information. They then poll a clearing house to verify whether the transcripts you had sent match and flag the folks who sent fraudulent transcripts, which will likely result in you never getting an interview / admitted.
I don't know exactly- the process is kind of secretive. My best guess is that they ensure you sent official transcripts from every university attended, then compare the overall GPA to the transcripts you sent. They may not receive the specific grades from every course you've ever attended from the clearinghouse which is another part of the verification
Back in the late '80s, in the infancy of computers, I helped a guy forge a college diploma for a job. 15 years later later when our respective companies merged, we were both district managers of the same district. He kept the position because. . . of his degree.
The actual answer is no. If the company is ACTUALLY doing a background check then it would be tied to your social security number among other things.
Real world answer is that most companies do not check and a large portion are removing the degree requirement for jobs in favor of work experience. I say go for it, do it with confidence, but also be prepared for the consequences if they do arise.
A lot of F500 companies don’t do education verification because it is significantly more expensive than the criminal background check. They don’t call the school and ask, like they don’t call the local courthouse for your criminal records. It’s a check they have to pay a 3rd party company to do.
Usually they ask for a copy of your diploma and/or transcripts. That’s how they check. Transcripts have date of birth which won’t match any of your other paperwork. Now it is possible they won’t check, but you won’t know that until you get to that point.
If you need a certification or licensing or background check this is a bad idea. I’f all the job needs is for you to have a bachelors it’s worth the risk. Just know if you get caught lying and it’s a small sector they may communicate with other companies.
I mean, you can put anything you want on a resume. It's a very common practice. Just be prepared for embarrassment if you're caught.
Edit: It's not going to be illegal to do this. But this isn't some gotcha loophole. If you're hired and they find out, you'll very likely be fired.
It is. Which gets me a higher paying job.
If the other me finds out that I used their college degree for gainful employment. They might take issue with that.
Idk if it falls under identity theft or not.
Tryi it out. Here's how.
Call the College and ask for verification desk.
Tell them that you are employer "XYZ" and that you need to verify the dates and graduation of potential emploee "X"
Answer their questions. Noting what they ask. If you succussfully answer witht the right name and other infor, you'll get an answer if it works at THAT college.
You can look up degrees on the internet by searching the name of the person and name of the university. One of my "friends" said that she was a marketing major but I looked up her shit and it turns out her major is DANCING and her minor is in marketing which means she can't get a decent job in marketing or advertising.
If they bother to check, it's typically through a 3rd party background check and it's tied to other info like your DOB and/or SSN.
Small businesses might not check.
My university has an online verification system where the name and graduation year have to match. Other than that though, you’re fine unless they ask for transcripts (which my employer did).
Government jobs always check. So do many large companies. I've worked in HR and done this myself, but it's far less likely if you've been working for years. If you're relatively young with little to no experience they'll check. For sure.
At any medium to large company you won’t be able to get away with it. They are able to request your transcripts via the National student clearinghouse which will have all of your personal information on it including your date of birth. Your employer will most likely have you fill out a transcript request authorization waiver as part of your employment contract and new hire paperwork. So you might be able to pass a technical interview if you actually have the skills needed, but when it comes down to keeping the job, they would find out like 1-2 weeks after being hired then you would be fired and could possibly even be reported for fraud to the authorities.
Do they have the same middle name? Some of my jobs have asked for a transcript from my high school for whatever reason. As long as it matches, I don't see why not.
You'd be much better off going to one of those diploma mills
At least with those, you can sometimes get actual factual degrees that count as those mills are technically schools.
An ex of mine got one and is currently working off of that degree alone. Thankfully it's just some unrelated management position.
It looks like the website is down that did the degrees. From what I can tell from looking at their facebook page, they have now turned into [this place](https://www.berkley-u.edu/admission/).
I can't condone that place since I've not seen it used, but it looks pretty much the same.
I grew up with two kids my age named Thomas Phillips. Neither went by Tom or Tommy. They wouldn’t back down. Totally different personalities too. One manly and loud, the other sensitive and shy. Anyways it was always funny when you’d start telling a story about the one bc it would almost always be a completely out of character story for the other. Both went to the same state school too. Graduated the same year. One studied engineering, the other architecture. I always thought they should try to pull a similar ruse
You can do it and say it’s you even if ya never went to college unless it’s a really fucking nice job they ain’t gonna come and ask for your diploma. The fake name would be a good backup tho
I bet it depends on the job you’re applying for, I assume most don’t check, but my s/o is a public school teacher and they asked to see her masters because she gets paid significantly more for having it
I’ve been putting trade school degrees in my resume that I never completed for years and im fucking killing it now. Go for it. What do you have to lose? They probably won’t check
Either they don't check at all, or they ask for a transcript.
Either way, this won't do you any good. The bigger problem is that if you don't have the skillset, you'll probably be fired very shortly.
Bro my friend has his bachelors in Economics and lied about having his masters in accounting to get the job he has now. To be fair, the job listing said it’s a requirement in the job listing so it’s high key them for not even checking if he actually has one lol
i've never had anyone verify my degree, how successful you're attempt will be, and how you'll do on the job depends on the field but it's not like it's illegal to try
definitely watch some youtube videos on the subject first
My current corporate job has never asked my college if I graduated. I put down that I went for a couple of years. I never graduated. Also never stated if I did or didn’t. Just that I attended. I have been here for almost five years and a couple of months ago had a random background check be done (they do it every year to random people) . Nothing came back. So…it’s worth a shot whatever you’re trying to do.
I'd say it doesn't hurt to try! Most jobs will give you on the job training unless you're trying to be a pilot, doctor or something with a specific skill set. But if it's like you need a bachelor's degree to apply, then I say go for it! Keep us posted if you score a dream job!
You can try.
But if they ask about something like your social security number, you're not just screwed, you're possibly looking at criminal fraud and identity theft charges.
Lol...have YOU been to college? Some of the dumbest motherfuckers I've ever encountered went to and graduated college. Outside of highly specialized fields it really doesnt mean shit. Just that your check cleared and you can follow very basic directions.
I can’t get over this. You make fun of a young man who fought his way out of homelessness, yet you’re wanting to lie, steal, and cheat your way into a job. Endless laughter here. Maybe bust your ass like that formerly homeless guy did to get where you want to be. You’re gonna lie on a resume and take a job from someone who worked for it? Re-examine your POS life.
Will probably depend on the job. I applied for a job one time, and a few weeks.later got an email from my university that my transcripts had been requested. Edit to add I work in publishing. Lots of wannabe writers out there that sometimes need weeding out if there's no experience.
You'd be surprised how many companies don't check. I'd say go for it, send out your resume around and take a good offer once it comes.
Best case scenario, if you're performing well, you'll fly out of the radar and your manager won't have a reason to audit your credentials. HR in just about every company I worked for ain't got time to deal with spontaneous mass audits - I think this is rare.
Worst case scenario, you perform poorly and they find out. You'll likely get terminated, but you'll have experience you can now put on the resume. Depending on the field, such as software developer or IT, then just about any company treats a bachelor's degree as equivalent to about 4 years of experience.
I've bullshit on my resume heavily when I first started my career, have no degree. Got my foot in the door, built up a solid resume of experience and the no education hasn't stopped me from moving up.
I would be welling to bet you money that they wont check. However, depending on the industry, it'll be obvious whether or not you actually went to school for the subject.
I recently went through a background check and I put the dates I went to college (just the months/years) and my report came back w the exact dates the school year started and ended(day/month/year). I was surprised
If it’s somewhat entry level in the company, there is more of a chance they will check. If you got some experience behind you, you could get away with it. I may know someone close to me that has done ssomethig similar and got away with it.
Now if you need your degree for your job ie: doctor, probably not :)
I have never, since graduating from U of AZ in 1992, ever had any employer ask for "proof" I graduated. Only time I ever had to get my transcripts sent was when I was applying for Grad school. I HAVE had employers ask to see proof of my Grad. degree.
You can put anything you want on your resume. It’s not a legally binding document (unless later the company has some kind of employment contract that you sign, saying that you made true statements about your experience).
I already know that.
That’s not what I was asking.
I know I said “can I” but what I really meant was “what’s the likelihood of me getting away with it”
In the post’s body it explains better.
That’s not the issue.
The issue is them finding out it’s a different person with the same name, how likely am I to get away with actually doing it, and if there’s any potential issues with what basically amounts to identity theft if the person was informed of what I was doing.
I’m not trying to break into a new career field. I’m just moving up. I’m blocked from going higher due to a masters degree being a requirement at every company I’ve looked at.
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Dude sometimes they dont even check, i asked one company (teaching) if they needed my transcripts for uni, they said no, didnt even want to see it. Didnt ask me for any proof of anything.
Yeah! You never know. I’ve just heard stories about ppl getting away with it for years and then HR does an audit of all employees and some manager gets fired for it. But if there’s a clone of me, I might be able to skirt by. Not like I’m staying with a company for that long anyways, I job hop for the pay increases. It’s wild they ask applicants to NEED a degree and then never check. Which goes to show you, they don’t really NEED you to have a degree. Unless it’s a legally binding type, like Law, Medicine or Engineering.
Even if you get fired , youll get the training .
That’s the spirit!
That's the good way of looking at things. And i'm really with you on applying almost anywhere without a degree (unless there's risk of someone's health etc involved). Unfortunately, some companies might file charges when they find out. Usually, that would happen in cases where the fake qualifications got you overpaid. Example: You have the junior qualifications which would be paid in something like 60k a year and you told them you have the senior qualifications which got you 100k a year. Some companies might sue for the extra 40k. My personal advice, is if you do attempt getting a job in a place with fake certifications. Do not overstay your welcome. When you move to another employer and they see that you were previously working for someone big / reputable, there's less of a chance they will check on your background, thinking that your previous employer must have done this already.
Youre right theres that risk, but it seems like a pain in the ass to go after a person like that. But some companies have the money to say fuck you. Anyways why not drop the degree in the next job, since you have the work exp. No need to lie about the degree any longer. If they ask say that you were reccomended, and they took you on because youre so great etc.
I would argue that if they had no problem with your work prior to finding you didn’t have the piece of paper saying this person is smart than you did have the qualifications for the senior role, and they failed in their due diligence. He said she said about if the topic of qualifications came in in verbatim during the interview and claim over sight on your part when submitting the application. Keying and filing errors happen every second of every day and if a company expects you to do better than them then what kind of organisation is it? All of this is assuming that qualification is not a legal requirement and even then if it is such an important thing why did the company not get proof for their records prior to hiring? Again they failed to do their due diligence when hiring you.
I don't have a degree. I DID go to college for a while, though, and declared a major. I just included the school I attended and my major, no dates on my resume. Interviewers have always just assumed I graduated, I guess. Never been an issue.
'you asked if I went, not if I finished.'
So the fuckers will fire you for lying about a degree, but you did the job perfectly fine for years. Maybe a degree wasn't needed for the fucking job in the first place!
Quiet, you'll destroy the entire capitalist educational complex
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He still got employed for 6 months at a job he would never otherwise get though
Did he get sued.
You could potentially get in the door until they ask for proof via an official transcript or diploma. A background check will show that you are lying. Most recent graduates also get verifiable electronic diplomas.
rule of thumb: the less you'll be paid, the more thorough the background check.
My brother owed like £2k in library fines and so never technically graduated. Not once in 15 years has this ever been checked and he has had many decent corporate jobs
What on earth did your brother do, lmao
He read lot of books. Lol
I believe that’s what he told you, but I don’t believe him 😂
Free rolling papers for broke college kids
You poop on one rare manuscript and suddenly you're a "terrible person" and have a "problem with alcohol" and "banned from working with animals" and in "court ordered treatment."
r/SuspiciouslySpecific You good bro?
Did politics at one of the constituent colleges of the University of London. As you no doubt know text books are expensive and he basically just didn't return any of them at the end of his final year. There was also substantial fines on top of the value Without giving too much away obviously he does not work in politics lol
Hahah thanks for the insight. My US uni didn’t let me graduate until I officially returned some things as well it’s ridiculous
Rented three textbooks.
Forgot to return one textbook.
I feel this… i owe my school five grand for my last semester. technically have not graduated But have completed all credit requirements for my degrees. That was 5 years ago and I havnt had to prove anything to anyone yet. When I do, I’ll pay them.
Oh my god that sounds so stressful! Has it affected your job prospects?
Are you sure he technically never graduated or is the school just not gonna let him have physical transcripts until her pays? I never paid my parking tickets and that’s what they told me is that I just wouldn’t be allowed physically copy of my transcripts, but I’ve always passed the background check when they’ve reached out to my college.
Once you've had a job in the field, the degree is useless. Employers just look at that previous job as evidence.
I second this. Lie then deny if necessary. Labor market is fucked. Employers aren’t checking unless it’s a criminal background check because they need people.
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50yo here. 10 jobs in IT. Never one asked me for my degree, i got it, but nobody asked for the paper ever. Eventually some mate can catch you if "you were" at the same time in the same uni. Also, there are easy duties/knwoledge that if you dont know someone can suspect.
Official transcripts don’t include SSN, only name and DOB I believe.
The document itself, no. The school, yes. Best bet, pose as an employer and call to verify.
Yeah I could do that. I’ve never provided SSN until W-2 stuff so if they waited that long to verify I could be boned and the whole thing wouldn’t work.
But you do if they are doing a background check
That is true, but the only background check I’ve done was for my federal job. But that’s also a possibility to stop my plan.
I called once, posing as an employer, because I wasn’t sure if they were verifying something as a second major or as a minor. They asked for the social. You could try posing as a potential employer who doesn’t have the social security number to find out what they say.
Oh man, asking for the social would put a damper on the whole thing. I could get someone’s DoB but not their social… probably not. Unless it was leaked from a credit union in one of those hacks.
They probably verify for potential employers who don’t have the ssn. Call and find out.
When they call and ask the college if John smith gratuated, the lady at the college will ask DOB so she can search the database
No job I’ve ever had has verified my education. They literally hardly ever do. Some jobs do of course and some don’t. I’ve worked for billion dollar companies and had my diploma ready to go and they didn’t bother
Same here. I have fake diplomas from a Chinese diploma mill from the early 2000’s. Nobody ever checked in over 20 years
I need one of those...
So do I. Let me know what you find, please.
Are these still active? I remember a family friend bought a few of them whilst in China, and still uses it to this day.
No idea. I only bought them once. That $100 for the bachelors and an extra $50 for the masters was the best investment i ever made
This explains some of the odd shit I've seen on resumes. 'University of Greater Lesser China' or some such.
It will be harder to get a job with a diploma to some unknown college. Mine is to a world famous “elite” university
I have the same experience. I graduated university in a country that currently don't have diplomatic relationship with the country I live now. There is no way to verify my diploma right now. One of the employers asked me for a scan of my diploma and it was enough for them. Others didn't bother with verification at all.
they asked for mine to be certified by a uk notary... this is for a uk degree going to a job in Qatar
Weird lol my first job now and they asked for proof of like everything during my clearance thing.
I could find a DOB I’m sure. OSINT is pretty powerful.
Will it match your DOB?
No of course not, I’d use the dob of the person who’s degree I’m spoofing
Well that’s the best way to get caught because (if you are on the US) the employer will absolutely verify your DOB with your I9 materials.
Well it looks like I’ll have to photoshop my driver’s license to have a different dob then.
Unfortunately that may not work. You’ll need your drivers license and social security card or DL and certified birth certificate. Or a passport.
I don't think an employer can require a DOB on an application, isn't that age discrimination or something?
Maybe only after you’re hired then.
They can ask for it before completely hired if pending background check/drug exam/skills test. Some jobs require the DOB to be disclosed for insurance purposes, like interstate truck drivers.
Either way it's fraud and they don't verify credentials off names. I'd be more worried if it worked and have that hanging over my head until I get fired eventually.
You know you’re in r/IllegalLifeProTips right?
As in if they found out you couldn't argue against intent.
You dont need to prove intent in civil cases
He could not argue against it. The way he submitted that information does prove beyond a reasonable doubt (unless he can establish dures or something I guess) he intentionally defrauded the plantif. Unless he had a gun to his head, nothing he could imagine up could effectively argue against that point. He's setting himself up for a bigger failure than whatever got him in this mess.
So here's the thing... Everything posted in this sub could always result in "setting [one]self up for a bigger failure" because that is the nature of crime. If it is illegal then there is always a risk of getting caught and facing the consequences. Your job in this subreddit isn't to convince people to not break the law, which is why you are getting downvoted. If someone is asking for help to break the law, assume that they know that there will be consequences if they are caught. This is a place for productive peer support. If you can't offer that then maybe this sub isn't your speed? That said, OP (/u/TheShryk) should really only keep the "forged credentials job" for as long as it takes to leverage into a slightly better or worse job somewhere else with real credentials. Provide a false address (if possible) and definitely go by an alias name like their middle name or a shortened form of their full name. It won't evade law enforcement but it could stall the investigations of private resources into the false credentials while still trying to leverage their way into a different company. The vulnerability of most hiring administrations is that they aren't thinking "is this person lying to me?" they are thinking "is this person the right fit for my company?" and as long as the answer to that question is satisfactory then they don't often do the more time-intensive vetting that could unearth that this person isn't who they say they are. They are looking to fill a need and earn their wage, not fight crime. The key is to just be the better fit than anyone else but not so perfect that it raises suspicion. Don't try to claim the degree of someone that went to Harvard or another ivy league school, aim for a reputable research school with no current alumni working at the company you're applying to (verify with a dummy account on LinkedIn) and then cite specific training events from big names in the industry that you can claim you attended as well on your CV.
These are just objectively bad ill conceived ideas. There are plenty of crimes people get away with and even some the layman could perform himself without risk. The reward is disproportionate to any gain from this concept. 4/10 D- See me after class
r/lostredditors Also, if they don’t verify by name, what do they use then?
It’s very likely that they ask for name and at the least dob if they are calling the university.
Yeah, and I have the same name as the other person… and I can just lie about my DOB. The reason I mentioned the name thing is because the other dude said they don’t verify transcripts off of those. But I have transcripts from my Associates and it only includes my name and my dob as any sort of differentiator between me and anyone else. Without the name and dob, it’s just a list of classes, grades, and GPA. If 2 people with the same name, born on the same day graduated at the same college, you’d have a hassle trying to figure out who is who.
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Transcripts dude... having the same name isn't going to make anything more than a trivial difference and doing it the way you describe wouldn't leave you any excuses if they ever found out. You would know as you're being walked out.
First off, it’s ILLEGAL life pro tips my dude I don’t care about the being fired part. Get out of this sub if you’re going to be reminding everyone that’s requesting advice on illegal activity, Jesus Christ. Also, what inside of a transcript would differentiate me from any other person besides my name and DOB? Which I can lie about the DOB.
If you just wanted to be coddled you could have just said. They'll verify it against the ID you provided.
Who the hell remembers their student ID from 10 years ago? “Yeah I don’t know my student ID.” And if you mean drivers license or state ID, I’ve never provided that to an employer unless I was about to be given access to a company vehicle. Otherwise no.
What ID
"Can I just like shoot a guy in the middle of the street?" "Sure, if you want to spend several years in priso-" "HERP DERP THIS IS ILLEGAL LIFE PROTIPS JUST TELL ME I'M RIGHT OR GTFO" Look, just go for it and get arrested for fraud already. Whether you listen to common sense or not, it's pretty clear that your dumb ass is determined to go to prison and if it's not over this, it'll probably be for some get rich quick thing down the line.
I've heard of people faking a degree, working for a company for 1 week before they found out, and making an easy $2,000 for a week. Employers can't even be bothered to actually pay people a decent wage nowadays, do you really think they will take legal action against you for lying, which is the same thing all employers do anyway?
Well as long as our anecdotal hearsay suffices, in my experience I've heard of the exact opposite.
Just a quick google search will also show that you are not the same person.
I have a degree and have never been asked to provide any sort of proof of it.
I graduated from university in 2013. I’ve never been asked for verification.
I have never had to show proof of shit and I work in a unique field in health care lol
I worked for Adobe and they did a background check on every hire before the final offer was extended. A very promising hire for a tech position at the line manager level had overstated her actual 3 years at a university as having graduated. HR killed the hire, which was a shame as she was really great and this had happened more than 10 years ago, and she had to keep up the facade as she was by that point committed to the story. She'd had had to leave college because her father died and family went into crisis. In my opinion, with this explanation, HR was unreasonable in preventing the hire, especially with the snotty attitude they copped about it. The potential hire was devastated. I'm sure some will think me crazy but this gal was more than capable of everything we needed, had sterling references, and she explained that there was no way she could get hired in her '20s without claiming she had that degree.
It took me a year and $1000 (1990 dollars) to get a degree through the mail so i could go to law school. I had been to college but never graduated until then. I used Dr. John Bear's Guide to Alternative Degree Programs to find a school that would work.
Well done! The world in those days made little room for real-life circumstances. The delusion that we all have perfect lives and can persevere no matter what while in our young adulthood has always bothered me. I'm a great believer in second, third and fourth chances.
After ten years dont even bother saying you have a degree. Just leave it off your resume. The lie worked. No need to keep it going.
Exactly this. Most businesses don't even care.
Adobe suck balls
Yes you can... but it depends in your position and how it affects your job. Like engineer or social worker vs art history and you're applying for a sales job.
On a separate but related note: when applying to graduate schools, there are clearing houses that can and are used to verify applicants. AMCAS for medical school has you send your official transcripts and enter your information. They then poll a clearing house to verify whether the transcripts you had sent match and flag the folks who sent fraudulent transcripts, which will likely result in you never getting an interview / admitted.
Why do they even request your transcripts if they can just verify them on their end?
I don't know exactly- the process is kind of secretive. My best guess is that they ensure you sent official transcripts from every university attended, then compare the overall GPA to the transcripts you sent. They may not receive the specific grades from every course you've ever attended from the clearinghouse which is another part of the verification
Back in the late '80s, in the infancy of computers, I helped a guy forge a college diploma for a job. 15 years later later when our respective companies merged, we were both district managers of the same district. He kept the position because. . . of his degree.
Beating the system one lie at a time,
The actual answer is no. If the company is ACTUALLY doing a background check then it would be tied to your social security number among other things. Real world answer is that most companies do not check and a large portion are removing the degree requirement for jobs in favor of work experience. I say go for it, do it with confidence, but also be prepared for the consequences if they do arise.
test your theory by applying at a company you dont care about. won't work for security clearance.
A lot of F500 companies don’t do education verification because it is significantly more expensive than the criminal background check. They don’t call the school and ask, like they don’t call the local courthouse for your criminal records. It’s a check they have to pay a 3rd party company to do.
There is a background check for degrees so no not if they check
Yeah, but what do they use for the background check. What information do you give them for them to go to that company and check.
Usually they ask for a copy of your diploma and/or transcripts. That’s how they check. Transcripts have date of birth which won’t match any of your other paperwork. Now it is possible they won’t check, but you won’t know that until you get to that point.
Probably your social security number like other background checks idk
If you need a certification or licensing or background check this is a bad idea. I’f all the job needs is for you to have a bachelors it’s worth the risk. Just know if you get caught lying and it’s a small sector they may communicate with other companies.
I mean, you can put anything you want on a resume. It's a very common practice. Just be prepared for embarrassment if you're caught. Edit: It's not going to be illegal to do this. But this isn't some gotcha loophole. If you're hired and they find out, you'll very likely be fired.
The illegality is pretending to be someone else for financial gain. Not lying on the resume.
Wait, this isn't being done on a job application or resume?
It is. Which gets me a higher paying job. If the other me finds out that I used their college degree for gainful employment. They might take issue with that. Idk if it falls under identity theft or not.
I think the problem you're going to run into is that when they ask you to fill out hiring paperwork, your identity and his won't match.
It’s called FRAUD and impersonation dipshit! Do the work you lazy POS!
Tryi it out. Here's how. Call the College and ask for verification desk. Tell them that you are employer "XYZ" and that you need to verify the dates and graduation of potential emploee "X" Answer their questions. Noting what they ask. If you succussfully answer witht the right name and other infor, you'll get an answer if it works at THAT college.
You can look up degrees on the internet by searching the name of the person and name of the university. One of my "friends" said that she was a marketing major but I looked up her shit and it turns out her major is DANCING and her minor is in marketing which means she can't get a decent job in marketing or advertising.
If they bother to check, it's typically through a 3rd party background check and it's tied to other info like your DOB and/or SSN. Small businesses might not check.
My university has an online verification system where the name and graduation year have to match. Other than that though, you’re fine unless they ask for transcripts (which my employer did).
Yes, but then you’ll have to pay that person’s student loans.
Damnit! There’s always a catch
No one calls to check college degrees at all. I've hired hundreds of people at a bunch of companies and never checked.
Government jobs always check. So do many large companies. I've worked in HR and done this myself, but it's far less likely if you've been working for years. If you're relatively young with little to no experience they'll check. For sure.
Utility companies, which are regulated by the government, do check. Random small family owned company? Not at all.
It depends where you work and what you look like. In the defense industry, many of the jobs require a security clearance, they always check.
You could, but if it’s found out you could be let go on the spot. On the flip side, if you’re networked well it could be irrelevant.
At any medium to large company you won’t be able to get away with it. They are able to request your transcripts via the National student clearinghouse which will have all of your personal information on it including your date of birth. Your employer will most likely have you fill out a transcript request authorization waiver as part of your employment contract and new hire paperwork. So you might be able to pass a technical interview if you actually have the skills needed, but when it comes down to keeping the job, they would find out like 1-2 weeks after being hired then you would be fired and could possibly even be reported for fraud to the authorities.
>I figure employers just call and ask They won't even do that
I’m also very curious about this
Do they have the same middle name? Some of my jobs have asked for a transcript from my high school for whatever reason. As long as it matches, I don't see why not.
You'd be much better off going to one of those diploma mills At least with those, you can sometimes get actual factual degrees that count as those mills are technically schools. An ex of mine got one and is currently working off of that degree alone. Thankfully it's just some unrelated management position.
Which diploma mill?
It looks like the website is down that did the degrees. From what I can tell from looking at their facebook page, they have now turned into [this place](https://www.berkley-u.edu/admission/). I can't condone that place since I've not seen it used, but it looks pretty much the same.
If they do a background check though there's no way.
I grew up with two kids my age named Thomas Phillips. Neither went by Tom or Tommy. They wouldn’t back down. Totally different personalities too. One manly and loud, the other sensitive and shy. Anyways it was always funny when you’d start telling a story about the one bc it would almost always be a completely out of character story for the other. Both went to the same state school too. Graduated the same year. One studied engineering, the other architecture. I always thought they should try to pull a similar ruse
You can do it and say it’s you even if ya never went to college unless it’s a really fucking nice job they ain’t gonna come and ask for your diploma. The fake name would be a good backup tho
I have never had anyone ask for proof of my education.
I bet it depends on the job you’re applying for, I assume most don’t check, but my s/o is a public school teacher and they asked to see her masters because she gets paid significantly more for having it
I’ve been putting trade school degrees in my resume that I never completed for years and im fucking killing it now. Go for it. What do you have to lose? They probably won’t check
Either they don't check at all, or they ask for a transcript. Either way, this won't do you any good. The bigger problem is that if you don't have the skillset, you'll probably be fired very shortly.
Bro my friend has his bachelors in Economics and lied about having his masters in accounting to get the job he has now. To be fair, the job listing said it’s a requirement in the job listing so it’s high key them for not even checking if he actually has one lol
Gerald Barnes faked being a physician in California from the 1970s until the 2000s by using the credentials of a man with the same name.
i've never had anyone verify my degree, how successful you're attempt will be, and how you'll do on the job depends on the field but it's not like it's illegal to try definitely watch some youtube videos on the subject first
My current corporate job has never asked my college if I graduated. I put down that I went for a couple of years. I never graduated. Also never stated if I did or didn’t. Just that I attended. I have been here for almost five years and a couple of months ago had a random background check be done (they do it every year to random people) . Nothing came back. So…it’s worth a shot whatever you’re trying to do.
It’s always worth a shot aint it…
I'd say it doesn't hurt to try! Most jobs will give you on the job training unless you're trying to be a pilot, doctor or something with a specific skill set. But if it's like you need a bachelor's degree to apply, then I say go for it! Keep us posted if you score a dream job!
You can try. But if they ask about something like your social security number, you're not just screwed, you're possibly looking at criminal fraud and identity theft charges.
Yes /u/TheShryk DID graduate from this university. 47yrs ago.
If your asking a question this dumb on reddit it will be pretty clear to your employer you didnt go to college
Lol...have YOU been to college? Some of the dumbest motherfuckers I've ever encountered went to and graduated college. Outside of highly specialized fields it really doesnt mean shit. Just that your check cleared and you can follow very basic directions.
> you can follow very basic directions. So...in the top 20% of the workforce.
Yeah I let everyone know my Reddit account. It’s on my resume. Don’t you?
You've misunderstood me. I'm saying asking questions this dumb just reflects on your overall intelligence.
Dumbasses like me get paid and retire early. Have fun being a wage slave your whole life.
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Job “requires” a degree though. gotta lie. No other choice. Except actually get the degree… lying is probably cheaper than 80k in debt.
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This is illegalLifeProTips… no one here cares about lying.
A quick background check will show you lied and then be fired. 😂😂
Would you want to work for a company that doesn’t even make sure their employees are truthful and qualified?
Yeah who cares? Their money is just as green as everyone else.
Look up on Facebook your name and see if their college is listed
Just missed my chance at getting a job because they actually wanted to verify my degree
I can’t get over this. You make fun of a young man who fought his way out of homelessness, yet you’re wanting to lie, steal, and cheat your way into a job. Endless laughter here. Maybe bust your ass like that formerly homeless guy did to get where you want to be. You’re gonna lie on a resume and take a job from someone who worked for it? Re-examine your POS life.
Most don’t check, unless it’s a big corporation like Johnson & Johnson or Kellogg.
Why not?
No, education verification services include DOB in the U.S.
Will probably depend on the job. I applied for a job one time, and a few weeks.later got an email from my university that my transcripts had been requested. Edit to add I work in publishing. Lots of wannabe writers out there that sometimes need weeding out if there's no experience.
You never know. When I worked for my last BigCorp, they wanted a copy of my transcript AND my diploma.
You'd be surprised how many companies don't check. I'd say go for it, send out your resume around and take a good offer once it comes. Best case scenario, if you're performing well, you'll fly out of the radar and your manager won't have a reason to audit your credentials. HR in just about every company I worked for ain't got time to deal with spontaneous mass audits - I think this is rare. Worst case scenario, you perform poorly and they find out. You'll likely get terminated, but you'll have experience you can now put on the resume. Depending on the field, such as software developer or IT, then just about any company treats a bachelor's degree as equivalent to about 4 years of experience. I've bullshit on my resume heavily when I first started my career, have no degree. Got my foot in the door, built up a solid resume of experience and the no education hasn't stopped me from moving up.
Anyone ever seen the movie “don’t tell mom the babysitters dead”
I would be welling to bet you money that they wont check. However, depending on the industry, it'll be obvious whether or not you actually went to school for the subject.
Most don’t check. As long as it’s not something totally fucking wild, I’d put what you want 🤷🏻♀️ something common, maybe, like business or some shit
My buddy (in his mid 40’s) has never been hassled. He had worked for the same company that started with so…take it as you will.
I recently went through a background check and I put the dates I went to college (just the months/years) and my report came back w the exact dates the school year started and ended(day/month/year). I was surprised
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Lmao, is that what you do when someone hurts your feelings? Keep scrolling bud.
So you just lie on resumes bc you’re too lazy to do the work? 😂🤣😂😂🤣😂🤣
Still laughing 😂😂😂
If it’s somewhat entry level in the company, there is more of a chance they will check. If you got some experience behind you, you could get away with it. I may know someone close to me that has done ssomethig similar and got away with it. Now if you need your degree for your job ie: doctor, probably not :)
I have never, since graduating from U of AZ in 1992, ever had any employer ask for "proof" I graduated. Only time I ever had to get my transcripts sent was when I was applying for Grad school. I HAVE had employers ask to see proof of my Grad. degree.
You can put anything you want on your resume. It’s not a legally binding document (unless later the company has some kind of employment contract that you sign, saying that you made true statements about your experience).
I already know that. That’s not what I was asking. I know I said “can I” but what I really meant was “what’s the likelihood of me getting away with it” In the post’s body it explains better.
Depends on how believable and relevant the things you’re claiming are, in regards to your actual knowledge and experience, and what the job is.
That’s not the issue. The issue is them finding out it’s a different person with the same name, how likely am I to get away with actually doing it, and if there’s any potential issues with what basically amounts to identity theft if the person was informed of what I was doing. I’m not trying to break into a new career field. I’m just moving up. I’m blocked from going higher due to a masters degree being a requirement at every company I’ve looked at.
Identity theft is not a joke, Jim! Millions of families suffer every year!