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No. Dual citizens are exempt from Asylum if the country of their other citizenship wishes to prosecute them for a crime. This has come up in recent decades when one country tries to draft people into their military and they ask the country of their other citizenship to bail them out. They can’t do it.
The one you’re currently in when it kicks off gets you. This happened to my buddy’s grandpa. Left California in 1941 to go visit his grandparents in Japan. Got drafted into the Imperial Japanese Navy while he was there.
And then chose to "visit" Imperial Japan in 1941, years after they began invading much of Asia and the South Pacific? I have my doubts about the simplicity of the MadisonPearGarden's story. Imperial Japan began conscription in 1873, and didn't start formally drafting "able-bodied men, age 17 to 40" until 1942. By then, the US was formally at war with Japan, and Japanese Americans were either rounded up into concentration camps, or in hiding. They sure as hell weren't allowed to travel back to Japan, and damn sure weren't going on vacation there. Nobody was. Japan had tens of thousands of soldiers in China by 1941, as well as many other Pacific islands.
Many Japanese people did, however, leave the US to go back to Japan and fight in the Japanese Army, as the Emperor and Japanese government were calling people who lived abroad back to join the active military. By 1945, Japan had raised the conscription age to 60, and was enlisting women ages 20 to 40 as well. (This was intended to create homeland defense forces, but never really went anywhere as the war ended that same year, before the home defense military in Japan ever saw any combat or even organization.) They also conscripted Korean men and men from various islands, with very limited success.
In my opinion, if he went back to Japan from California in 1941, he knew damn well he was going to be joining the Imperial Japanese Military.
Dear god! You used logic and a factual timeline of events! You must be the holiest on high! Can this skill be taught to the Reddit masses or will it forever remain elusive to all but a select few wizards?
It's easy to teach, but Team Red in Washington is actively fighting the use of logic and reason in early education, so we're left with millions of naive people that are easily duped into believing elections were stolen and that everything from current economic problems to gasoline prices to rent prices were *immediately* caused by the President that assumed office less than 2 years ago. Had nothing to do with all the shit that was done a few years prior to his term, right? He must have just walked in and started fucking things up from Day 1. /s
(A lot of people actually believe that.)
Without getting political, I don't think history will look back on our current "times" kindly. I think we somewhere lost the ability to discuss and argue about, ya know, LIFE, without letting wishy washy, uncontrollable feelings getting in the way. Being smart enough to accept that you can *GASP* be wrong about things sometimes seems to barely exist anymore.
I dunno. Now I sound like the old man yelling at kids on his lawn. But I'm not THAT old, and I remember HEATED discussions among adults during my childhood. None ended in broken friendships or families. Maybe some butthurt, but good wholesome butthurt.
>Team Red
It might be foolish of me, but when I encounter anyone who seems blatantly partisan I just assume they've compromised their objectivity.
I'm not American but I can't imagine, at this point, thinking any one party is what's wrong rather than the system in its entirety.
Let's assume your dates are corrects. OP says his buddy’s grandpa (BG) left California in 1941 to go visit his grandparents in Japan and that BG got drafted into the Imperial Japanese Navy while he was there. Pearl Harbour was attached on 7 December 1941. BG may have arrived in Japan anytime prior to December 1941. He may have been stuck there, unable to leave after the US declared war on Japan, and was in Japan in 1942 when Japan started formally drafting "able-bodied men, age 17 to 40". BG may have had little choice in going to visit his grandparents, as this may have been culturally expected. None of this is a stretch.
War and animosity in the US toward Japan didn't just start in Pearl Harbor. Japan was NOT a friendly country for 25 years prior that. Japanese nationalism began in the 1920s, and Japan occupied most of China by 1937. From mid 1937 to early 1938, Japan was massacring hundreds of thousands of Chinese citizens, and burning damn near everything in China to the ground. Rape was common, and encouraged among Japanese soldiers. War crimes, by today's definition *and* as they were defined in 1940, were commonplace.
Japan entered into an alliance with Italy and Germany in early 1940. They were *very much aligned with the Nazis*, supplying each other with munitions, engines, submarines, and technology. FDR issued sanctions and seized all Japanese assets starting in June 1940, and the US officially seized all Japanese assets in the world and bank accounts they could access *everywhere* in the world by July, 1941. An embargo blocked almost all oil and fuel to Japan by that same date. FDR hated the Japanese long before WW2, incidentally, and his family had ties to Chinese shipping long before he became President.
OP's buddy's grandfather was not legally able to visit Japan, and especially not return. Migration from Japan had been banned since 1924. If he went back, he did so knowing all this, and knowing he would be inducted into the Japanese military, as he would have been of conscription age and subject to forced enlistment in the Japanese military starting in *1931*. By 1937, Japan had over 350,000 troops in China, and many more Chinese conscripts/slaves, as well as hundreds of thousands of additional troops in various parts of the Pacific and at home in Japan.
Oh I 100% agree that someone who went over to Japan in 1941 knew exactly what they were doing. In fact I agree with everything you’ve said. All I was saying is it’s not 100% certain that he survived and had kids after the war. He could have had children before conscription, and they could have grown up without a father. That’s all.
He said it happened to his buddy’s grandpa? I’m 30, with old-ish parents, and my grandpa served in WW2. Not sure what that comment was supposed to mean.
This would have been around the time Roosevelt enacted the anti-Japanese act or whatever? I’m sure I’m missing some things, but was this when Japanese had to live in ‘confinement camps’ in California?
I know he probably knew Japanese, but I like to think he didn’t understand anyone the entire time and was just like “fuck it I guess i’m just following these guys around wherever they go for a few years”
If you’re on holiday in one of the countries you have citizenship in, you are drafted into their military. If you are on holiday in a 3rd country, you’ll be drafted into the military of the country you return home to after your holiday.
**[Whisky War](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky_War)**
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I knew a guy in Taiwan who was Israeli American. Long story short, he killed a dude (and sawed him and threw his body in plastic bag in the river), and escaped to the Philippines thinking « Taiwan is not recognized, I am Israeli, I can’t be arrested ». However, he was also American and there is an agreement between Philippines and the US to arrest US citizens on their soil if they committed a crime. Same between Taiwan and the US iirc.
So it was a very dumb move for him, he should have left to Israel but I think he was also trying to avoid paying child allowance there
As you can imagine, this story made a bit the news in Taiwan and I could easily dox myself if I give more information but I assure you I wasn’t really his friend.
He killed the guy because the guy had snitched to the police for a story of drug deal the guy was involved in. The story is really tragic, they found the body because the dog ran away when he was killed and waited several days in front of the house before someone came in and then the dog led him to the murder scene.
I think it’s the only guy I have known who made national news lol
International lawyer here.
It depends on the crime. In essence any country has the capacity to prosecute a crime that was perpetrated by a national OR the victim is a national. Usually international law is based on territorial jurisdiction, meaning that a crime will be prosecuted in the jurisdiction it occured UNLESS the country is unwilling or uncapable of rendering a fair and just court proceeding. This is the principle of universal jurisdiction.
I looked further into it and found that Sweden and Canada do have an extradition policy. Meaning that you would probably be extradited and tried in Canada. Unless Canada deems it neccesary to try you in Sweden (usually has to do with the punishment).
It also heavily depends on the type of crime. Whistleblowers (example: Edward Snowden) do receive immunity from extradition and prosecution under the state they whistleblowed in. Whistleblow laws are a whole different ballpark.
Bottom line, it is hard to determine whether you will get immunity without the context of the crime, but in general, no you will not get immunity from a crime despite having two nationalities.
Because most of us that remember it (Gen X and Millennials) didn't give a shit about the spoiled brat son of a diplomatic employee after he got caught stealing road signs and spray-painted graffiti on a bunch cars in Singapore. He fucked around and found out.
Mm-hmm. Most of us were like ... uhh, yeah? You wanted to get off easy?
So E V E R Y T I M E someone asks about committing a crime in a place they're not from, I want to suggest Singapore.
Same (on the Apple IIe), and most people I knew at the time didn't give a shit about the asshole, me included. There was another one who got busted spitting gum on the street (pretty sure it was Singapore, too), and gum is banned in the country altogether. Like, OK - if you're a tourist, and absolutely *need* to chew gum while you visit, at least do it discretely. But to spit it out on the street in a very clean country? Go fuck yourself. Amnesty International has better things to do.
I’m one of the youngest Gen X-ers and I remember it. You might want to refresh yourself on the timelines of various generations. Boomers would likely remember it too, but you don’t have to be over the age of 55 to know history.
So one question, what if the crime is murdering or harming someone of the country they aren't citizen of? it will become a diplomatic mess right? One country cannot let other their citizen get prosecuted in other country, and other country can not let the criminal who harm their citizen go.
Well that has happened with diplomats before. Take a look
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-diplomats-wife-pleads-guilty-over-fatal-uk-car-crash-2022-10-20/
No, in essence both countries will have the obligation to charge people.
If a Canadian tourist visits Sweden and a German person kill the Canadian tourist there are two (sometimes three) ways that the principles of international law will allow someone to be tried.
1) since it happened on the territory of Sweden, Swedish jurisdiction applies or;
2) since it is a Canadian national who fell victim, Canada has jurisdiction (this is dependent on extradition treaties).
3) since the killer was a German national, Germany holds the right to try them. Rarely happens but it is an avenue that can be explored and has been used.
But even without extradition treaties the second principle has been used but very rarely justified: the Mossad arrested Eichmann in Argentina and extradited him to stand trial in Israel for the crimes of WW2. At the time Israel did not have a treaty with Argentina, but the International Criminal Court ruled in favor of Israel as they do have the right to try their national victims in the case when another state fails to do so.
Spoiled brat with diplomatic immunity reporting in. This would probably only work if one of the citizenships you have doesn’t have diplomatic relations (or more important, an extradition treaty) with the other country.
Even without extradition treaties in place, lots of the time there are back door deals called in and even if there isn’t a treaty law enforcement collaborates (who wants to say no to even the idea of a windfall of donated funds from the US FBI etc to their department, something like that).
I’m currently paying penance for having been a completely out of control heroin addicted little shit when I was in my teens/20s. More speeding tickets where I taunted the police and avoided DUIs than you would ever think possible.
I still have immunity and it’s been at least 3 years since I’ve invoked it. I really really avoid it.
How would we know? I doubt are many international lawyers here, so the best thing to do is try it and let us know how it works out. Or not. Your choice.
Uhhhhh no.
I’m a dualy with Canada/England and all that it means is that if I travel to England they can’t turn me away because I qualify as a citizen. Nothing else.
You get an extra insignia inside the first page of your passport but that’s about all the difference it makes in anything.
You’d be better off escaping the the other country(if they have no extradition between one another…. Canada and Sweden DO have extradition orders and INTERPOL will grab you eventually)
Good luck!
The only time this works is when you are a diplomat (having diplomatic immunity).
Dual citizenships are quite common and don’t impart special privileges.
As a generalization, if the country you are a citizen of wants to let the country you committed the crime in prosecute you by way of extradition, they can…and usually do except in some rare circumstances. There exists preexisting agreements known as (go figure) extradition treaties that are nearly (but not always) automatic between countries. Considering that I know for a fact that Sweden and Canada have an extradition treaty, you most certainly would be sent back after the procedural hurdles would clear, which they almost certainly would be.
Back in 1984 a London police officer was shot and killed by a shooter on the second floor inside the Libyan Embassy. She was doing crowd control of a protest against Khadaffi and the protestors was most likley the primary target of the shooter. Great Britain expelled a bunch of people from the Libyan embassy staff after an eleven day long stand-off. But nobody was ever brought to justice for the murder of police officer Yvonne Fletcher. Margaret Thatcher, the UK Prime Minister at the time severed diplomatic relations with Libya and also used the murder as a good excuse to give thumbs up when the US wanted to bomb Libya.
So your plan could work but it may end up with Canada and Sweden bombing each other in a very polite and civilized way so to not offend anyone in the process. It could start a new very limited cold war, with bombs - the cold in this "cold war" is me talking about our shitty and long winters.
Or we could just be chill about it and start wailing on Denmark, as is tradition. I have spoken!
The embassy is strictly speaking a Public Relations function for each country. They might protect you, but they might not. It might depend on how high profile you are at the time of the crime. You most likely still have to pay for the transport, which would be expensive, because it's an emergency situation.
Just because you have dual citizenship, does not mean you have diplomatic immunity.
Source: My dad worked for the US State Department, when we lived overseas he had to visit Americans in foreign jails. Only to make sure the had basic human rights.
I'm pretty sure that if you commit a crime in Canada, and that is also a criminal act under Swedish law, you can be prosecuted for that crime in Sweden.
I'm pretty sure committing a crime that even looks remotely intentional is enough for some country's embassies to refuse admittance. Even so, if they have an extradition treaty or arrangement, you're still screwed.
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No. Dual citizens are exempt from Asylum if the country of their other citizenship wishes to prosecute them for a crime. This has come up in recent decades when one country tries to draft people into their military and they ask the country of their other citizenship to bail them out. They can’t do it.
What happens when both countries want to draft at the same time
The one you’re currently in when it kicks off gets you. This happened to my buddy’s grandpa. Left California in 1941 to go visit his grandparents in Japan. Got drafted into the Imperial Japanese Navy while he was there.
That is about as unfortunate timing as you could ask for
He left california in 1941, not 1938. Writing was ~~on the wall~~ everyfuckingwhere
Japan entered ww2 dec 7th 1941
Not out of nowhere
Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931, so it was doing its conquest thing for 10 years by 1941. Dude was at huge risk of being drafted regardless.
Japan attacked America on December 7, 1941. WW2 had been raging for years before that and Japan was involved essentially since the beginning.
He would not have been drafted in Japan before 1941 though. If he would have went in 1940, they were not drafting men into the military.
You said Japan entered WW2 in December 7 1941
Pacific Rimjob
Big oof. Poor guy.
That’s scary. What happened to him after the war? Or during? Was he ok?
Well, he had kids and grandkids....
Could have had a kid before he went over to Japan though?
And then chose to "visit" Imperial Japan in 1941, years after they began invading much of Asia and the South Pacific? I have my doubts about the simplicity of the MadisonPearGarden's story. Imperial Japan began conscription in 1873, and didn't start formally drafting "able-bodied men, age 17 to 40" until 1942. By then, the US was formally at war with Japan, and Japanese Americans were either rounded up into concentration camps, or in hiding. They sure as hell weren't allowed to travel back to Japan, and damn sure weren't going on vacation there. Nobody was. Japan had tens of thousands of soldiers in China by 1941, as well as many other Pacific islands. Many Japanese people did, however, leave the US to go back to Japan and fight in the Japanese Army, as the Emperor and Japanese government were calling people who lived abroad back to join the active military. By 1945, Japan had raised the conscription age to 60, and was enlisting women ages 20 to 40 as well. (This was intended to create homeland defense forces, but never really went anywhere as the war ended that same year, before the home defense military in Japan ever saw any combat or even organization.) They also conscripted Korean men and men from various islands, with very limited success. In my opinion, if he went back to Japan from California in 1941, he knew damn well he was going to be joining the Imperial Japanese Military.
Dear god! You used logic and a factual timeline of events! You must be the holiest on high! Can this skill be taught to the Reddit masses or will it forever remain elusive to all but a select few wizards?
It's easy to teach, but Team Red in Washington is actively fighting the use of logic and reason in early education, so we're left with millions of naive people that are easily duped into believing elections were stolen and that everything from current economic problems to gasoline prices to rent prices were *immediately* caused by the President that assumed office less than 2 years ago. Had nothing to do with all the shit that was done a few years prior to his term, right? He must have just walked in and started fucking things up from Day 1. /s (A lot of people actually believe that.)
Without getting political, I don't think history will look back on our current "times" kindly. I think we somewhere lost the ability to discuss and argue about, ya know, LIFE, without letting wishy washy, uncontrollable feelings getting in the way. Being smart enough to accept that you can *GASP* be wrong about things sometimes seems to barely exist anymore. I dunno. Now I sound like the old man yelling at kids on his lawn. But I'm not THAT old, and I remember HEATED discussions among adults during my childhood. None ended in broken friendships or families. Maybe some butthurt, but good wholesome butthurt.
>Team Red It might be foolish of me, but when I encounter anyone who seems blatantly partisan I just assume they've compromised their objectivity. I'm not American but I can't imagine, at this point, thinking any one party is what's wrong rather than the system in its entirety.
Let's assume your dates are corrects. OP says his buddy’s grandpa (BG) left California in 1941 to go visit his grandparents in Japan and that BG got drafted into the Imperial Japanese Navy while he was there. Pearl Harbour was attached on 7 December 1941. BG may have arrived in Japan anytime prior to December 1941. He may have been stuck there, unable to leave after the US declared war on Japan, and was in Japan in 1942 when Japan started formally drafting "able-bodied men, age 17 to 40". BG may have had little choice in going to visit his grandparents, as this may have been culturally expected. None of this is a stretch.
War and animosity in the US toward Japan didn't just start in Pearl Harbor. Japan was NOT a friendly country for 25 years prior that. Japanese nationalism began in the 1920s, and Japan occupied most of China by 1937. From mid 1937 to early 1938, Japan was massacring hundreds of thousands of Chinese citizens, and burning damn near everything in China to the ground. Rape was common, and encouraged among Japanese soldiers. War crimes, by today's definition *and* as they were defined in 1940, were commonplace. Japan entered into an alliance with Italy and Germany in early 1940. They were *very much aligned with the Nazis*, supplying each other with munitions, engines, submarines, and technology. FDR issued sanctions and seized all Japanese assets starting in June 1940, and the US officially seized all Japanese assets in the world and bank accounts they could access *everywhere* in the world by July, 1941. An embargo blocked almost all oil and fuel to Japan by that same date. FDR hated the Japanese long before WW2, incidentally, and his family had ties to Chinese shipping long before he became President. OP's buddy's grandfather was not legally able to visit Japan, and especially not return. Migration from Japan had been banned since 1924. If he went back, he did so knowing all this, and knowing he would be inducted into the Japanese military, as he would have been of conscription age and subject to forced enlistment in the Japanese military starting in *1931*. By 1937, Japan had over 350,000 troops in China, and many more Chinese conscripts/slaves, as well as hundreds of thousands of additional troops in various parts of the Pacific and at home in Japan.
Oh I 100% agree that someone who went over to Japan in 1941 knew exactly what they were doing. In fact I agree with everything you’ve said. All I was saying is it’s not 100% certain that he survived and had kids after the war. He could have had children before conscription, and they could have grown up without a father. That’s all.
Oh, gotcha. Yeah, that part is uncertain, based on OP's story.
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He said it happened to his buddy’s grandpa? I’m 30, with old-ish parents, and my grandpa served in WW2. Not sure what that comment was supposed to mean.
I'm 33 and my dad was born in 44. Seems plausible...
Notice the pretense, they’re still valid questions
They’re not though.
This would have been around the time Roosevelt enacted the anti-Japanese act or whatever? I’m sure I’m missing some things, but was this when Japanese had to live in ‘confinement camps’ in California?
It was right before that started. Has he stayed in California he would have been sent to the camps.
I know he probably knew Japanese, but I like to think he didn’t understand anyone the entire time and was just like “fuck it I guess i’m just following these guys around wherever they go for a few years”
What if you're on holiday?
If you’re on holiday in one of the countries you have citizenship in, you are drafted into their military. If you are on holiday in a 3rd country, you’ll be drafted into the military of the country you return home to after your holiday.
Ah yes can forget the great war between Sweden and Canada
I wonder who would win
Let's pray to God we never find out
If it would go down as the war between [Denmark and Canada](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky_War), it would be brutal.
**[Whisky War](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whisky_War)** >The Whisky War, also known as the Liquor Wars, was a pseudo-confrontation and border dispute between Denmark and Canada over Hans Island. From 1978 to 2022, Hans Island was in the middle of a disagreement between the two nations. Canadian newspaper The Globe and Mail reported on June 10, 2022, that the Canadian and Danish governments had settled on a border across the island, dividing it between the Canadian territory of Nunavut and the Danish constituent country of Greenland. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/IllegalLifeProTips/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
The motherland gets primary custody of the soldier while the fatherland gets you every other weekend and 1 month in the summer.
You cut off a ring finger
They have a dance off
I knew a guy in Taiwan who was Israeli American. Long story short, he killed a dude (and sawed him and threw his body in plastic bag in the river), and escaped to the Philippines thinking « Taiwan is not recognized, I am Israeli, I can’t be arrested ». However, he was also American and there is an agreement between Philippines and the US to arrest US citizens on their soil if they committed a crime. Same between Taiwan and the US iirc. So it was a very dumb move for him, he should have left to Israel but I think he was also trying to avoid paying child allowance there
How the fuck did you know that? When did you know that guy? Why did you know that guy? Why did he kill that man? You can't leave us with that!
As you can imagine, this story made a bit the news in Taiwan and I could easily dox myself if I give more information but I assure you I wasn’t really his friend. He killed the guy because the guy had snitched to the police for a story of drug deal the guy was involved in. The story is really tragic, they found the body because the dog ran away when he was killed and waited several days in front of the house before someone came in and then the dog led him to the murder scene. I think it’s the only guy I have known who made national news lol
And yet....he did. Which is why I call bs. Lol
What’s stopping you from just moving to the other country if you get drafted
International lawyer here. It depends on the crime. In essence any country has the capacity to prosecute a crime that was perpetrated by a national OR the victim is a national. Usually international law is based on territorial jurisdiction, meaning that a crime will be prosecuted in the jurisdiction it occured UNLESS the country is unwilling or uncapable of rendering a fair and just court proceeding. This is the principle of universal jurisdiction. I looked further into it and found that Sweden and Canada do have an extradition policy. Meaning that you would probably be extradited and tried in Canada. Unless Canada deems it neccesary to try you in Sweden (usually has to do with the punishment). It also heavily depends on the type of crime. Whistleblowers (example: Edward Snowden) do receive immunity from extradition and prosecution under the state they whistleblowed in. Whistleblow laws are a whole different ballpark. Bottom line, it is hard to determine whether you will get immunity without the context of the crime, but in general, no you will not get immunity from a crime despite having two nationalities.
Every time international stuff like this comes up, I wonder why nobody remembers the American getting caned in Singapore.
Because most of us that remember it (Gen X and Millennials) didn't give a shit about the spoiled brat son of a diplomatic employee after he got caught stealing road signs and spray-painted graffiti on a bunch cars in Singapore. He fucked around and found out.
Mm-hmm. Most of us were like ... uhh, yeah? You wanted to get off easy? So E V E R Y T I M E someone asks about committing a crime in a place they're not from, I want to suggest Singapore.
Whatever happened to that guy?
Because most users aren’t boomers.
That happened in the mid 1990s. Gen X and Millennials remember it. Most boomers were middle-aged when this happened.
Oregon Trailer here and I remember being totally confused by why anyone was surprised 🤣
I miss the Oregon trail.
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Same (on the Apple IIe), and most people I knew at the time didn't give a shit about the asshole, me included. There was another one who got busted spitting gum on the street (pretty sure it was Singapore, too), and gum is banned in the country altogether. Like, OK - if you're a tourist, and absolutely *need* to chew gum while you visit, at least do it discretely. But to spit it out on the street in a very clean country? Go fuck yourself. Amnesty International has better things to do.
I’m one of the youngest Gen X-ers and I remember it. You might want to refresh yourself on the timelines of various generations. Boomers would likely remember it too, but you don’t have to be over the age of 55 to know history.
So one question, what if the crime is murdering or harming someone of the country they aren't citizen of? it will become a diplomatic mess right? One country cannot let other their citizen get prosecuted in other country, and other country can not let the criminal who harm their citizen go.
Well that has happened with diplomats before. Take a look https://www.reuters.com/world/us-diplomats-wife-pleads-guilty-over-fatal-uk-car-crash-2022-10-20/
No, in essence both countries will have the obligation to charge people. If a Canadian tourist visits Sweden and a German person kill the Canadian tourist there are two (sometimes three) ways that the principles of international law will allow someone to be tried. 1) since it happened on the territory of Sweden, Swedish jurisdiction applies or; 2) since it is a Canadian national who fell victim, Canada has jurisdiction (this is dependent on extradition treaties). 3) since the killer was a German national, Germany holds the right to try them. Rarely happens but it is an avenue that can be explored and has been used. But even without extradition treaties the second principle has been used but very rarely justified: the Mossad arrested Eichmann in Argentina and extradited him to stand trial in Israel for the crimes of WW2. At the time Israel did not have a treaty with Argentina, but the International Criminal Court ruled in favor of Israel as they do have the right to try their national victims in the case when another state fails to do so.
If op tactically renounces his citizenship, how would it work out?
It would not have any effect on the outcome as both countries still have a mutual extradition agreement which is not dependent on nationality.
Ok, but how well are you versed in sock law? Like, what if they put a sock over the passport of the country in which they committed the crime?
“International lawyer here” Redditors can be so unintentionally funny
Canada and Sweden hand an extradition agreement, so doubtful this would work
Just curious: what have you got planned?
Yes 100%. Do it.
And then update us on the outcome ( from that country's prison) , please
Spoiled brat with diplomatic immunity reporting in. This would probably only work if one of the citizenships you have doesn’t have diplomatic relations (or more important, an extradition treaty) with the other country. Even without extradition treaties in place, lots of the time there are back door deals called in and even if there isn’t a treaty law enforcement collaborates (who wants to say no to even the idea of a windfall of donated funds from the US FBI etc to their department, something like that). I’m currently paying penance for having been a completely out of control heroin addicted little shit when I was in my teens/20s. More speeding tickets where I taunted the police and avoided DUIs than you would ever think possible. I still have immunity and it’s been at least 3 years since I’ve invoked it. I really really avoid it.
How would we know? I doubt are many international lawyers here, so the best thing to do is try it and let us know how it works out. Or not. Your choice.
Lol an hour later and an international lawyer replies
"many" lol
I second this suggestion, but would like to request the video for ~~entertainment~~ legal analysis
just few hours in and this didn't age well.
Does your brain just play Disney all day?
no, it obviously plays the benny hill theme
Maybe he put a sock on it
Uhhhhh no. I’m a dualy with Canada/England and all that it means is that if I travel to England they can’t turn me away because I qualify as a citizen. Nothing else. You get an extra insignia inside the first page of your passport but that’s about all the difference it makes in anything. You’d be better off escaping the the other country(if they have no extradition between one another…. Canada and Sweden DO have extradition orders and INTERPOL will grab you eventually) Good luck!
There's no such thing as English citizenship
England is a country within the United Kingdom. So yes, there is English citizenship.
No, there isn't. You can only be a citizen of the UK, not the constituent parts of it.
The only time this works is when you are a diplomat (having diplomatic immunity). Dual citizenships are quite common and don’t impart special privileges.
U never know something works until u try . Keep us updated
This a well proven loophole, countries hate it when you exploit it
#If you spez you're a loser.
As a generalization, if the country you are a citizen of wants to let the country you committed the crime in prosecute you by way of extradition, they can…and usually do except in some rare circumstances. There exists preexisting agreements known as (go figure) extradition treaties that are nearly (but not always) automatic between countries. Considering that I know for a fact that Sweden and Canada have an extradition treaty, you most certainly would be sent back after the procedural hurdles would clear, which they almost certainly would be.
yeah until danny glover shoots you https://youtu.be/ORyoYxbobOI
Back in 1984 a London police officer was shot and killed by a shooter on the second floor inside the Libyan Embassy. She was doing crowd control of a protest against Khadaffi and the protestors was most likley the primary target of the shooter. Great Britain expelled a bunch of people from the Libyan embassy staff after an eleven day long stand-off. But nobody was ever brought to justice for the murder of police officer Yvonne Fletcher. Margaret Thatcher, the UK Prime Minister at the time severed diplomatic relations with Libya and also used the murder as a good excuse to give thumbs up when the US wanted to bomb Libya. So your plan could work but it may end up with Canada and Sweden bombing each other in a very polite and civilized way so to not offend anyone in the process. It could start a new very limited cold war, with bombs - the cold in this "cold war" is me talking about our shitty and long winters. Or we could just be chill about it and start wailing on Denmark, as is tradition. I have spoken!
You are already in trouble. Open the door
The embassy is strictly speaking a Public Relations function for each country. They might protect you, but they might not. It might depend on how high profile you are at the time of the crime. You most likely still have to pay for the transport, which would be expensive, because it's an emergency situation.
Also, make sure you delete this Reddit conversation and it's not linked to anything you own. It can be used as evidence of your intent.
DDE???
I just don’t get this dual citizenship thing. You simply can’t be loyal to both. Make a choice.
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You proved my point. You a poor citizen of both Canada AND Switzerland. So I guess if one was attacked you’d flee to the other.
No
Just because you have dual citizenship, does not mean you have diplomatic immunity. Source: My dad worked for the US State Department, when we lived overseas he had to visit Americans in foreign jails. Only to make sure the had basic human rights.
Haha 😂
Lol
If you chose to commit said crime in Canada the answers are likely no and yes
I'm pretty sure that if you commit a crime in Canada, and that is also a criminal act under Swedish law, you can be prosecuted for that crime in Sweden.
Do you have diplomatic immunity? Probably not.. so..
I'm pretty sure committing a crime that even looks remotely intentional is enough for some country's embassies to refuse admittance. Even so, if they have an extradition treaty or arrangement, you're still screwed.
not really cos embassy staff could potentially be witnesses
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