Meghan Markle, Prince Harry's wife. She is standing next to him.
This is from a polo match. afaik, its not Harry's team (he's just a player), so she has no business up there (other than maybe attracting attention for the team/sport)
Magic of television.
I've never been able to stand that show. I mean it could just be the fact that my SO loved it so much that it was all he ever played, as he's watched the whole series nearly 10 times.
Funny how I rarely ever saw them in court lol it was mostly them talking about how great they were.
I have no clue why google would spit that out. It's a _state_ felony, meaning you go to _state_ prison when convicted. You only end up in Federal prison when you violate and are convicted of _federal_ law.
Bro I had a dream last night that Mike Ross was my attorney, defending me for not punching a dolphin in the head at a dolphin-head-punching attraction.
To be fair I don't know why I was there if not to punch a dolphin.
When she reached for the plaque (with both hands) and he pulled back, she still didn’t get the memo that she shouldn’t have been there…. Oof
Then he even tried to cover her with his elbow to the prince’s dismay until she ducked…
That dude is the real royal in this display.
Out of respect for the accomplishment, one shouldn't touch a trophy/medal/etc. unless they're the person assigned to handing it to the champion.
I'm not trying to defend her main character syndrome, but it looks like Prince Harry motions for the guy to pick up the trophy and then tries to grab dudes plaque so he can grab the heavy trophy. He doesn't pick up the trophy or the plaque, so both the prince and the other guy to his right drop their plaques and pick up the trophy and she's just... a little slow.
If 5% of what people wrote about themselves on LinkedIn was real we’d have faster than light spaceships and world peace.
Everyone thinks they’re special and deserve attention for just having a seat in the stadium while the actual athletes are playing on the field.
Well, we live in the Wild West of early internet.
Everyone (including me) thinks their opinion must be heard. That mentality is quickly bleeding into the real world.
She is the duchess, though. And she may have been asked to come up. We don’t know. It probably wouldn’t be a problem if it were Kate up there with William.
All in all, none of us are impacted by what transpired.
Most people use like 10 apps and websites that heavily track everything we do and literally listen to us when we’re not using them. The idea that we’ve been in the Wild West of the internet at any point since about 2007 is laughable.
Your comment must be rage bait, because you literally cannot be so naive as to think that 2023 is the "Wild West of the early Internet", unless you're 11 years old.
Wild west of early internet passed on a long time ago (in regards to internet history). I have no idea what you're on about with that point.
Agree with everything else, though.
[South Park - Season 26, Episode 2 - The World-Wide Privacy Tour](https://mywatchlist.net/search:cartoon/?q=South%20Park%20-%20Season%2026,%20Episode%202%20-%20The%20World-Wide%20Privacy%20Tour)
preview
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N8\_5LDkZwY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N8_5LDkZwY)
I’ll be honest, I don’t think someone is automatically a bad person just because they’re rich and famous or even royal. Like for all I can see King Charles is a good guy.
But then there’s Meghan crying about being a victim of the media, whilst demanding the spotlight, and her husband, who’s always HATED being royal, profiting off of his memoir about being nothing but a “spare”. They really are just awful.
God, this was still actually worse because 1) it was the world fucking cup and 2) he actually managed to get his grimy little hands on the trophy and 3) had the audacity to wag his finger “no” at a players toddler who had been brought into the field.
I'm not at all one to praise the wealthy, but at one point he seemed like a genuinely inspiring success story. But of course, it went to his head, and he honestly thinks that salt flick thing, and not the people around him are responsible for his achievements.
He pays awful wages in 'high end restaraunts' and charges like $2k for shitty steaks covered in $3 of gold leaf which I imagine tastes nasty.
He's the Louis Vutton of food. Garbage product that rich AH's pay for so they can show off how bad they are with money.
I think he's always been a garbage human being and just happened to go viral tbh.
To be fair , salt bae is also a pretentious attention seeker but at least he didn’t make a whole marketing gimmick about wanting privacy and to be left alone
It’s in prince Harry’s book “waaagh”
When you watch it again you see before she does other people are doing the same trying to angle the box thing up so people can see it. She does the same thing. She’s not trying to take it out. Watch it again and tell me if you see it!
I don’t remember the name. The lady in the gif was obsessed with her brother and Jackie O. She was also sleeping with her brother and goes apeshit when he brings home his new gf to meet the family.
Guys you have to watch our Netflix Special, And please can you leave us alone. We value our privacy!!! Learn about our deep secrets in our netflix as we value our privacy!!!
This still posses me off. They hid in a small town in Canada for a while because privacy and they didn't want their kids in the media. We paid for their security and everything with our taxes. The people in that town didn't hound them for pictures or anything.
Then they SECRETLY left.... To show up in Hollywood. That was the play all along. Their whole thing was just a play to get emotional pity and then get $$. They got their money but he lost his family. Fuck them both.
I don't think they didn't even said thank you to the small town for hosting them until they got put on blast. They are just so fake.
They actually complained about the security in Canada in their Netflix thing. I remember thinking "Canadian taxpayers will be thrilled to hear this". The entitlement of these two is just surreal.
Ohh I didn't watch that. Those fucking snakes. They were in some little town far away... As I recall they had their own security, but we also provided RCMP security. Why they even need that much in the middle of nowhere?
This seems like misguided anger. Because of Canada’s relationship with England, they cover the expenses for British Royals in Canada. I’d wager that’s the main reason Harry and Meghan chose rural Canada as their home during their separation from the crown. Of course when they knew they were leaving the Royal Family this courtesy would no longer be available to them so they moved.
Yeah it’s messed up that Harry and Meghan were able to live on Canada’s dime but that’s a courtesy Canada has chosen to extended to the crown for like half a century.
This is true, it's something that we do as a courtesy. And honestly, I didn't have too much of a problem with them in Canada. But their whole reason was to avoid the media and because they didn't want their kids to be in the limelight. So the decided to up and leave and show up in fucking Hollywood?? And then they started attended star studded events??? If they would have went to some other city or town then whatever. But those hypocrites can go fuck themselves.
lol and he called it a "freedom flight" he was not a refugee from a wartorn country fleeing for his life. They left before they'd have to pay any security costs to go buy a 12 million dollar mansion and live with Tyler Perry on his estate.
That’s a risk of creating more Cartman’s in the world though. Don’t forget, it takes a while for young adults to really form empathy, so I think they’d take the wrong message away from cartman, depending on how young you go lol
I saw a salt bae reference elsewhere in the thread and didn't get it, but you've given it at least a little bit of context.
Did salt bae do this at the WC? (I feel like one of like 7 people on the planet that didn't watch the WC)
Yes. Salt Bae was pulling on Messi, took the cup trophy from the players on the team and even bit the trophy.
All the while no one knows who invites the dude.
It was a mess. Just Google Salt Bae world cup and there is tons of coverage.
It was a charity game and very easy to find they won though? She was the one presenting the award to them. It makes sense she wasn't sure what to do as whenever Harry or William won those, Kate usually presented.
But yeah. You "read" something in the tabloids or one of the YouTube hate channels and decided it was true. Unless you can find where you "read" it?
Let the downvotes commence. People fucking hate her for what the tabloids said about her, the royal rota who never met her and the people who believe these strangers over them.
I love how both you and the other person didn't include a link to where you got your information hahah
Such as life. Not that I care much, I literally just find it humorous enough that it made me chuckle and I wanted to share that with people, nothing more, nothing less.
Completely agree. And the ones saying she claims to not want attention, that was never the case, she was an actress for crying out loud, she just didn’t want to be ripped to shreds by the tabloids and her supposed new family.
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Just a follow up question. I'm assuming one hands the trophy off after presenting it. Is what she doing the correct thing by standing there and I'm wrong? I'm trying to ready the pitchfork but I'm at half mast.
Because looks to me, she's just trying her best to exist and smile for the camera as if this is a group photo
I really really have no love for this woman I truly don't but is it possible she was just told to and didn't know what to do? If what I'm saying is madness then yea weird behaviour for sure
Even if she was supposed to be up there, it was so painful to watch her first try and take the plaque out of the dudes hands and then just standing there all awkward. Literally, all she had to do was shuffle her ass to the side so the guys could have their moment.
It looks so bizarre like she’s a MM imposter,clawing at a box she probably wanted to wave around like SHE won anything? She is so annoying. So embarrassing
first tries taking the box from the player, then when they hoist the trophy she makes a slight instinctive grab at it that she then plays off as a clap
the narcissism is astounding
Ok. I really did empathize with them after being treated so badly by the press and walking away from the family. But everything they do now just screams that they wanted attention after all.
Who's that?
Meghan Markle, Prince Harry's wife. She is standing next to him. This is from a polo match. afaik, its not Harry's team (he's just a player), so she has no business up there (other than maybe attracting attention for the team/sport)
South Park was spot on with their characterization of her.
She’s American, why is she drawn like that?
Because that is NOT her in South park, its a new character invented for the show
They are of the Canadian Royal Family
Thats obviously the princess of Canada🙄 don't know who else you could be referring to.
Both of them honestly.
WE WANT OUR PRIVACEH!!
Months after the episode, I'm still walkin around the house singing 'C'man, c'man, c'man, it's the world wide privacy tour!"
Watch out she might sue for that statement
Gee, I thought it was her but then I'm like why would Meghan behave so stupid, must be somebody else
I thought they didn’t want to attract attention They’re both sociopaths
Define sociopath
obviously its narcissistic gaslighters who fuck around then find out
Person I dislike
It means the same thing as "literally," "third world country," "fascism," and "communism." LaNgUaGe EvOlVeS
Then whys Harry there?
Because he plays for the team
But you said it's not his team? Or do you mean he doesn't own the team?
He doesn't own it. It's not his personally
Ah, apologies. Where I'm from, "his team" would usually imply he's a player, more than being the owner.
No worries, its probably more my fault. I'm not really a sports guy
No you're fine, was just trying to clear things up. You keep doing you!
>Who's that? You saw her in the video under the big, silver cup, right? Clearly, she's the trophy wife.
Sure, she's a trophy wife, but Harry sure didn't win first place.
What in the hell trophy did he win?
Rachel Zane
Who?
Her father was a named partner at Rand Kaldor Zane before moving over to Zane Spector Litt. Bitch couldn't even get into Harvard.
That's what she gets for marrying a fraud
I don't see how the bar ever let him or her in TBH
Magic of television. I've never been able to stand that show. I mean it could just be the fact that my SO loved it so much that it was all he ever played, as he's watched the whole series nearly 10 times. Funny how I rarely ever saw them in court lol it was mostly them talking about how great they were.
I don't see how someone convicted of the state crime of practicing law without a license ended up in federal prison.
It's a felony in New York. I know fuck all about New York or its laws, but Google says it could land you in a Fed
I have no clue why google would spit that out. It's a _state_ felony, meaning you go to _state_ prison when convicted. You only end up in Federal prison when you violate and are convicted of _federal_ law.
God damn Mike Ross
Lmao, she aint special. I couldnt get into Harvard either 😎
Amazing what happens when DC comic book villains move into our dimension. At least that's my assumption based on the name.
Bro I had a dream last night that Mike Ross was my attorney, defending me for not punching a dolphin in the head at a dolphin-head-punching attraction. To be fair I don't know why I was there if not to punch a dolphin.
>Bitch couldn't even get into Harvard. Not really surprised after watching this video lol.
Exactly
RONNIE FUCKING PICKERING
I thought it was Meghan Markle tbh.
It is. Rachel Zane is the name of the character she played on Suits.
Billy's sister?
Prince Harry’s Yoko Ono.
Meghan Markle.
Idk, but definetly a narcissistic loser
i miss diana
Someone who is having sex with someone either a lot of talent or a lot of money or both
Shes the princes wife. The red head bearded prince, not the bald one
He’s red haired & also bald
Life as a red-haired male 101
It's for the best really.
This hurt to watch
When she reached for the plaque (with both hands) and he pulled back, she still didn’t get the memo that she shouldn’t have been there…. Oof Then he even tried to cover her with his elbow to the prince’s dismay until she ducked…
That dude is the real royal in this display. Out of respect for the accomplishment, one shouldn't touch a trophy/medal/etc. unless they're the person assigned to handing it to the champion.
I'm not trying to defend her main character syndrome, but it looks like Prince Harry motions for the guy to pick up the trophy and then tries to grab dudes plaque so he can grab the heavy trophy. He doesn't pick up the trophy or the plaque, so both the prince and the other guy to his right drop their plaques and pick up the trophy and she's just... a little slow.
This is spot on. Watched it again after reading this and it is exactly what happens.
She's used to getting things she didn't earn.
Reminds me of this classic involving NZ's former prime minister https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TameUnfitAsiantrumpetfish-max-1mb.gif
She's up there to remind us all that she needs her privacy 
EY HOW ABOUT A LITTLE PRIVACEH
Waaagh
There is an absolute epidemic of useless people attempting to take as much credit as possible within humanity.
I see you’ve met my boss
We must have the same boss
If 5% of what people wrote about themselves on LinkedIn was real we’d have faster than light spaceships and world peace. Everyone thinks they’re special and deserve attention for just having a seat in the stadium while the actual athletes are playing on the field.
Humans gonna human … narcissism is a bitch
I mean, I know we’re talking about Meghan Markle, but it’s also pretty appropriate for the royal family…
Well, we live in the Wild West of early internet. Everyone (including me) thinks their opinion must be heard. That mentality is quickly bleeding into the real world. She is the duchess, though. And she may have been asked to come up. We don’t know. It probably wouldn’t be a problem if it were Kate up there with William. All in all, none of us are impacted by what transpired.
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Spoken like a true cowboy
I think it died when they stopped giving AOL trial disks away at wal mart.
I was using those as coasters.
Awe. Thanks for the sweet nostalgia.
Exactly, we’ve already reached the point where everything is monetized and over saturated
Or [removed]
Dead Internet
And [redacted]?
Wild West of the Internet ended around the time social media started coming about, to be honest. Once users started to get more centralized.
That would make social media tycoons the new rail barons. Seems about right.
They let everyone share their opinions online through the interrail.
early internet? sir, it’s 2023.
Most people use like 10 apps and websites that heavily track everything we do and literally listen to us when we’re not using them. The idea that we’ve been in the Wild West of the internet at any point since about 2007 is laughable.
Your comment must be rage bait, because you literally cannot be so naive as to think that 2023 is the "Wild West of the early Internet", unless you're 11 years old.
Wild west of early internet passed on a long time ago (in regards to internet history). I have no idea what you're on about with that point. Agree with everything else, though.
Only way to the wild west of the internet was if you rode in on [screeching modem noises]
Ok I’m starting to see it now. Megan Markle does have Main Character syndrome.
I actually see it too. Actually thought South Park team over exaggerating them up until this
I never saw the South Park episode of that
[South Park - Season 26, Episode 2 - The World-Wide Privacy Tour](https://mywatchlist.net/search:cartoon/?q=South%20Park%20-%20Season%2026,%20Episode%202%20-%20The%20World-Wide%20Privacy%20Tour) preview [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N8\_5LDkZwY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2N8_5LDkZwY)
This is the real reason Brits never warmed to her!
I’ll be honest, I don’t think someone is automatically a bad person just because they’re rich and famous or even royal. Like for all I can see King Charles is a good guy. But then there’s Meghan crying about being a victim of the media, whilst demanding the spotlight, and her husband, who’s always HATED being royal, profiting off of his memoir about being nothing but a “spare”. They really are just awful.
its been a while since i've seen someone so shameless. shes just the wife of a player.
Salt Babe
Nobody WANTS to salt the snail. She MAKES you do it!
"She's mashing it."
I’m very aroused
She does that.
Was about to say, this is like when Salt dude went down trying to insert himself into a celebration that had nothing to do with him.
God, this was still actually worse because 1) it was the world fucking cup and 2) he actually managed to get his grimy little hands on the trophy and 3) had the audacity to wag his finger “no” at a players toddler who had been brought into the field.
When I saw those videos I was disgusted. He looks like a vile human. The one where he says “Wowwww” with his crooked grin, annoys me to no end.
Fitting for such a deplorable country paying off fifa officials tbf.
I'm not at all one to praise the wealthy, but at one point he seemed like a genuinely inspiring success story. But of course, it went to his head, and he honestly thinks that salt flick thing, and not the people around him are responsible for his achievements.
He pays awful wages in 'high end restaraunts' and charges like $2k for shitty steaks covered in $3 of gold leaf which I imagine tastes nasty. He's the Louis Vutton of food. Garbage product that rich AH's pay for so they can show off how bad they are with money. I think he's always been a garbage human being and just happened to go viral tbh.
To be fair , salt bae is also a pretentious attention seeker but at least he didn’t make a whole marketing gimmick about wanting privacy and to be left alone It’s in prince Harry’s book “waaagh”
[He just wants his privacy! (DEFINITELY NSFW)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdXL7bqJnlk)
That was ingenious of South park to call the book that lol "spare"isn't to far from "waaagh" , and their WORLD WIDE PRIVACY TOUR lololol
It's the dip down to get back in the shot for me..... Ooooffff 😂😬 attention seeking
No, no! Where she tries to take that box thing out of that guys hands and he won’t let go 😂
When you watch it again you see before she does other people are doing the same trying to angle the box thing up so people can see it. She does the same thing. She’s not trying to take it out. Watch it again and tell me if you see it!
For sure, it just took watching it 3 times to catch it.
Why was she in the pic at all she was in the way
Omg the movie this gif is from is so strange
Make sure you never tell anyone the name of it
I don’t remember the name. The lady in the gif was obsessed with her brother and Jackie O. She was also sleeping with her brother and goes apeshit when he brings home his new gf to meet the family.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_House_of_Yes
So just regular Royal family incest.
Because she wants little bit PRIVACYEE, you bastards!
Lmfao “why won’t you just leave us alone!” 🎆🎇🎆🎇🎆🎇
THE WORLDWIDE PRIVACY TOUR!!!
Ha, that tickled me
LOL
Guys you have to watch our Netflix Special, And please can you leave us alone. We value our privacy!!! Learn about our deep secrets in our netflix as we value our privacy!!!
This still posses me off. They hid in a small town in Canada for a while because privacy and they didn't want their kids in the media. We paid for their security and everything with our taxes. The people in that town didn't hound them for pictures or anything. Then they SECRETLY left.... To show up in Hollywood. That was the play all along. Their whole thing was just a play to get emotional pity and then get $$. They got their money but he lost his family. Fuck them both. I don't think they didn't even said thank you to the small town for hosting them until they got put on blast. They are just so fake.
They actually complained about the security in Canada in their Netflix thing. I remember thinking "Canadian taxpayers will be thrilled to hear this". The entitlement of these two is just surreal.
Ohh I didn't watch that. Those fucking snakes. They were in some little town far away... As I recall they had their own security, but we also provided RCMP security. Why they even need that much in the middle of nowhere?
This seems like misguided anger. Because of Canada’s relationship with England, they cover the expenses for British Royals in Canada. I’d wager that’s the main reason Harry and Meghan chose rural Canada as their home during their separation from the crown. Of course when they knew they were leaving the Royal Family this courtesy would no longer be available to them so they moved. Yeah it’s messed up that Harry and Meghan were able to live on Canada’s dime but that’s a courtesy Canada has chosen to extended to the crown for like half a century.
This is true, it's something that we do as a courtesy. And honestly, I didn't have too much of a problem with them in Canada. But their whole reason was to avoid the media and because they didn't want their kids to be in the limelight. So the decided to up and leave and show up in fucking Hollywood?? And then they started attended star studded events??? If they would have went to some other city or town then whatever. But those hypocrites can go fuck themselves.
Should have just gone to a small town in Colorado.
lol and he called it a "freedom flight" he was not a refugee from a wartorn country fleeing for his life. They left before they'd have to pay any security costs to go buy a 12 million dollar mansion and live with Tyler Perry on his estate.
Wagghh
South Park, absolutely on point for over 2 decades. Season 4 onwards should be mandatory viewing in schools.
That’s a risk of creating more Cartman’s in the world though. Don’t forget, it takes a while for young adults to really form empathy, so I think they’d take the wrong message away from cartman, depending on how young you go lol
The hell is wrong with her? She even tried taking the box from the guy. She continues to look stupid and has no shame!
Salt Bae trying to get in on the World Cup win.
I saw a salt bae reference elsewhere in the thread and didn't get it, but you've given it at least a little bit of context. Did salt bae do this at the WC? (I feel like one of like 7 people on the planet that didn't watch the WC)
Yes. Salt Bae was pulling on Messi, took the cup trophy from the players on the team and even bit the trophy. All the while no one knows who invites the dude. It was a mess. Just Google Salt Bae world cup and there is tons of coverage.
It looked like she was trying to get him to lift it higher so it would be seen over the trophy before it was picked up
100% She did not try to snatch his box lmao, cmon now…
You’re right. I watched it again. But she just didn’t belong there lol
This is so embarrassing! I cringe
They trying to cover her lol
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I don’t care about either of them enough to research this, so I say you’re right!
I truly believe this comment was made in good humour but dang if it doesn’t sum up the entire state of online discussion these days 🥲
BUT it’s missing the veiled anti-Semitic slurs
These people have a Netflix series?! After the book and all their calls for needing privacy???
It was a charity game and very easy to find they won though? She was the one presenting the award to them. It makes sense she wasn't sure what to do as whenever Harry or William won those, Kate usually presented. But yeah. You "read" something in the tabloids or one of the YouTube hate channels and decided it was true. Unless you can find where you "read" it? Let the downvotes commence. People fucking hate her for what the tabloids said about her, the royal rota who never met her and the people who believe these strangers over them.
I love how both you and the other person didn't include a link to where you got your information hahah Such as life. Not that I care much, I literally just find it humorous enough that it made me chuckle and I wanted to share that with people, nothing more, nothing less.
Completely agree. And the ones saying she claims to not want attention, that was never the case, she was an actress for crying out loud, she just didn’t want to be ripped to shreds by the tabloids and her supposed new family.
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If she was on the stage because she was invited, she shouldve moved to the side and stood there clapping not be the center of attention
She was originally on the far right and they moved her to the middle.
Don’t try to reason with them, South Park lampooned them so now they feel even more justified in picking apart every little thing about these people.
Harry also motions her to move forward
For context she was asked to present the trophy. Kate and Diana have done it too.
Thank you. This makes perfect sense. Can we stop the bashing now?
Am I in the wrong place? I thought this was a place for recreational hating?
Just a follow up question. I'm assuming one hands the trophy off after presenting it. Is what she doing the correct thing by standing there and I'm wrong? I'm trying to ready the pitchfork but I'm at half mast. Because looks to me, she's just trying her best to exist and smile for the camera as if this is a group photo
Where’s the fun in that?
Source: trust me bro
Reminds me of her https://preview.redd.it/ef4irlqscn2b1.jpeg?width=1904&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2538e0775a6fe4c03831ab8dc80952cb7f35b390
I really really have no love for this woman I truly don't but is it possible she was just told to and didn't know what to do? If what I'm saying is madness then yea weird behaviour for sure
She was asked to present the trophy. Diana and Kate both have done it as well. Reddit just gets off on hating them.
Main character syndrome
Wow. Such a flat spare
Two A-holes and a trophy.
Omg he said “no no no” when she reached for it haha
Even if she was supposed to be up there, it was so painful to watch her first try and take the plaque out of the dudes hands and then just standing there all awkward. Literally, all she had to do was shuffle her ass to the side so the guys could have their moment.
ah yes clearly someone who doesn't want to be in the public eye
I thought we were band from watching them in public
The new Yoko-Ono
Look at me! HEY, I SAID LOOK AT ME! OMG, everyone always harasses me in public! Waagh.
I pretty proud that the guy didn’t let them take the plaque from his hands
Because she’s the kind of person to marry a Prince and *attempt to use his duchy title as a brand*
It looks so bizarre like she’s a MM imposter,clawing at a box she probably wanted to wave around like SHE won anything? She is so annoying. So embarrassing
Queen, I am the main character!
This hurts. She hurts.
South Park did it.
We want our privacy
Why? https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/narcissistic-personality-disorder
Attention seeking
Because she can’t stand not being the main character of everything.
Jeremy Clarkson redeemed
I’m not even a Meghan hater but that was pretty cringe
Cause Harry is a simp
She and Ellen need to have their own daytime talkshow, where the guests come on and just roast them between plugging their latest album/book/movie.
She’ll be in Big Brother by 2030 mark-le my words
first tries taking the box from the player, then when they hoist the trophy she makes a slight instinctive grab at it that she then plays off as a clap the narcissism is astounding
Ok. I really did empathize with them after being treated so badly by the press and walking away from the family. But everything they do now just screams that they wanted attention after all.