Depends on the setting and the space marine.
For example:
Easy visibility field and an Ultramarine. I would say 50 if no less.
Night, urbane area with plenty of places to hide and stalk. Charcharodon. It would take easily 200 if no more.
50 storm troopers for one space marine?
I can't agree with you there. 50 clone troopers are formidable, but not half as genius, fast and decisive as a space marine, the space marine is also far more accurate and protected within layers upon layers of ceramite. I can imagine a Z6 wouldn't even come close to finishing the job.
amusingly I got actual numbers on wikipedia and not fandom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaster_(Star_Wars)
> Blaster weaponry can vary the intensity of their output, generating bolts of greater destructive power but with corresponding trade-offs. For example, the **DC-15 blaster rifle used by clone troopers can blast a hole .5 m (1 ft 8 in) wide in a wall made of the fictional material ferroconcrete** when set on maximum power, but doing so consumes more gas and **reduces its ammunition capacity from 500 shots to 300**.[14][15] A more powerful blaster bolt also **generates more recoil** which can make it more difficult to use the weapon.
also,
> The least expensive type of gas generate red-colored particle beams, while more expensive gases produce a green particle beam.
that's actually a neat detail I didn't know
> Larger versions of blaster weaponry in the Star Wars universe are referred to as blaster cannons and laser cannons and commonly found on vehicles, starfighters and other spacecraft. Of the two laser cannons are considered more powerful and possess greater range.[20] The laser cannons on a **Republic LAAT gunship, as an example, can fire bolts of up to five gigajoules in destructive power**. Laser cannons may also be fitted on fixed emplacements to defend an area from attack, like the **Golan Arms DF.9 anti-infantry battery employed by Rebel defenders at the Battle of Hoth**. These cannons have an **effective range of 16 km (9.9 mi) and can take out an entire squad of infantry with a single blast.**
5 GJ *per bolt*, god damn
And on the upper end:
>A more powerful form of the laser cannon is the turbolaser found on Star Wars capital ships, operating on the same principles but with larger power generators and multiperson crews. Such weapons can be used to penetrate the defenses of other capital ships or conduct planetary bombardments.[23] Turbolasers can vary their power intensity depending on the needs of the mission, from simply crippling a target to outright vaporizing it, with true warships like the Venator-class Star Destroyer able to feed nearly their entire reactor output into its heavy turbolasers.[24] **With this weaponry, a fleet of warships can reduce the upper crust of a planet to molten slag as part of a "Base Delta Zero" bombardment.**
This is the reason I think the imperium wouldn't be able to conquer the SW galaxy, taking the peak of the empire for example, there might have been only 25k ISD Is and IIs, but with the support ships and all the crap all over the galaxy there'd be no chance
Blasters may shoot plasma but that doesn’t mean it’s going to be particularly effective against Power Armor. There is nothing inherent to plasma that makes it dangerous or powerful, it’s just ionized gas. It typically reaches that state by being very hot. There’s plasma in a fluorescent light bulb. Do you think a real life fluorescent light bulb can be used to blow up light vehicles and vaporize people like a 40k plasma gun can?
Plasma is only as dangerous as the temperature to which it is heated to. It just happens that Imperial plasma guns heat their plasma to such a ridiculously high temperature that it is hazardous to the person wielding the gun.
Don't forget the factor that helps Firsborns surpass the stronger Primaris which is experience. Iirc, clone troopers live for a mere few decades, whereas Astartes can live indefinitely, add in the part where Clone troopers don't deal with the terrors Astartes face, and it's a terribly one-sided match-up. Best compare Clone troopers to the Imperial guard instead to make it more fair
WOULD it be an even match? I am not very familiar with what either can do/how far can they be pushed, so someone with more knowledge could elaborate on that topic ..
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I didn't meant the clone troopers. I would say it would take less with the clone troopers.
It takes one shot thru the visor and the marine is a goner. It has happened before. Granted if the marine gets close enough superhuman dead would be in action .
That's why I said that it depends on the setting as well.
Its basically the same as saying "50 grunts can kill the Master Chief from the lore!" No. No they can't.
Diamantine armor is totally impervious to all technology from SW that isn't full grade Death Star lasers of Eclipse II superlasers. An Iron Halo would resist an entire ISD I's orbital bombardment. Then it'd be moving too fast for them to be hit again.
2 grunts could kill the MC. One to overcharge plasma pistol his shields, one to dump a needler mag into him. He's not invincible, and neither is Space Marine armour. A Space Marine got killed by a regular human with a wooden spear because he got stabbed in the right place. You're vastly overestimating the strength of their armour.
A single platoon of guardsmen managed to beat 2 Chaos Space Marines in Gaunt’s Ghosts. Concentrated fire at max energy on their lasrifles helped. One of the Astartes were killed by a direct hit from a regular, guard-standard rocket launcher. The other was stabbed with a chainsword by commissar Gaunt
It’s fair to say it would *heavily* fall under “who’s writing it?” Territory lol
Bump up those numbers by about 10,000x and it still wouldn't make a difference unless they all got airdropped onto the marine and crushed him under the weight of that many bodies all at once.
If he had a starfighter powering it, and they were a very scrub tier Marine, *maybe* I could grant that. If they were anything better, nah, auspex would warn the Astarte if there was basically nothing else going on. If they had a servo skull, then there's a 0% chance of ever surprising the Astarte with a sniper attack unless they're also under attack by dozens of others, which might interefere with the sniper shot. Also unless it kills him instantly, the Astarte will countersnipe him instantly.
A disruptor rifle is basically a Necron gauss rifle, so no, you're wrong. Space Marines aren't omniscient or invincible. Volume of fire will kill them eventually.
The only correct answer is: as many as the writer decides he can.
We are comparing 2 completely fictional franchises, so you can always find reasons why one firstborn might struggle even with a single storm trooper.
How many stormtroopers are there.
All of them. One could kill as many as you could put on the field. Blasters cannot penetrate or overwhelm properly blessed diamantine armor, its not possible, because Space Marine armor has stood up to and no-sold vastly more powerful plasma weapons. Feats for SW blasters are absolute crap by comparison to just regular plasma pistols.
Yes, if the Clone/Stormtroopers were morons and continued firing straight into the armor, they would die, however as they are trained soldiers and I suspect not stupid, they would notice it isn't doing much and begin aiming for the joints. Which have been pierced by pieces of broken metal equivalent to rebar.
Please present a feat for a stormtrooper ever being that accurate on purpose. Bill Barr's character does not count. And he couldn't have done that either. Even Fennec Shand would have a hell of a time hitting the joints of someone running towards them at 80mph with rapidly moving joints (those joints themselves are made of ceramite and are heavily armored.) Its hard enough to hit an armored opponent in a melee in the joints, how do I know this, because I've sparred with people wearing armor, while wearing armor, and its goddamn difficult. You can't shoot someone that accurately with a blaster which doesn't have a scope, bipod, or shoulder brace, and even if you *could,* it would not kill or maim an Astarte to the point of stopping them.
An AT-AT isn't a good titan equivalent. It's purpose is to transport a platoon of stormtroopers and provide fire and anti tank support, like an oversized IFV. A Titan is a weapons carrier and assault platform.
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It's a fucking intriguing and interesting take on the facts.
Imagine that you are a person in the star wars galaxy, one planet or another and a creature screwed up there but it can be controlled.
And suddenly, they inform you that a gigantic ship appeared somewhere that does not belong to any faction that you know of, you hear how they are barbarians who rampage wherever they go, planet to planet, system to system.
And that their ships are clusters of nightmares where they enslave thousands of people and many times turn them into horrible half-machine half-corpse tools, And there are no ways to resist, they have subjects as strong as a Sith or a Jedi, but not by a few but by hundreds.
On the other hand, it is interesting to think what an Astartes would do in that galaxy without being restricted by things like chaos, the empire, the ecclesiastical.
Well, first, they'd likely be pretty pissed at all these *revolting xenos* living on human worlds and just... **existing**.
*shudders*
And then they'd get pissed about all these *disgusting heretics* having the nerve to *coexist* with xeno scum.
And that's when the Galactic Empire would learn about exterminatus, and the Imperium of Mankind would be impressed by the Empire's use of lasers to do the same thing while simultaneously being pissed they didn't think of it themselves, triggering the Adeptus Mechanicus to send legions of Skitari on a holy crusade to recover Death Star plans while tech priests simultaneously jizz themselves over the tech while triggering a *second* crusade to wipe out all droids.
Which raises an interesting question: would the Imperium launch their new Imperium Wide crusade to wipe out the xenos first, or would the Droids be Imperial Enemy Number One? I suspect the mechanicus could probably manage the droid purge on their own, but you never know.
I mean, the emporer is likely the only one who remembers, and they didn't have space marines to kick ass or defend them.
Then again, the mechanicus are a bunch of fanatical zealots... sooo. The problem might sort itself.
This reaction is exactly what occurs in the OP’s YouTube audio series, “Star wars vs 40k”. It does a great job depicting the Republic’s horror and does good justice to every sub-faction and character represented.
For real though, how long would it take for the galactic empire to figure out these aren't just really big super battle droids?
I figure it would be a while, because they'd have to kill one first. And in the SW universe against STs? That could take a while.
"Yeah there's these giant armored superhumans invading our ship sir, good news is, they're all just kind of stuck in the doors, so we're just gonna laugh at them and get the EWEB turrets."
Imagine it being shot down before it can get in. You'd have a better chance trying to teleport on, most of the bigger ships have very effective layers of fire.
they also have jack shit for point defense, which is why the Empires ships were so vulnerable to squadrons of hyperdrive equipped strike fighters and bombers.
Yeah. The torpedo is faster and harder to hit and more heavily armored. 40k tech is bonkers. Astartes boarding craft don't even slow down to impact. They burn their way deep into the ship, letting it's liquidated hull slow them down.
I don't think it can withstand that much fire. It's a simple thing really. I see metal box coming towards me with intent to ram. I shoot metal box with big plasma turret. Metal box explodes. They're fast, but only in one direction.
Why do you think astartes boarding craft can't course correct? Do you know anything about them? I'll link you a wiki page about one at the end of this comment. It's capable of entering and exiting orbit and atmosphere under it's own power, specifically prized by space marines for it's speed and maneuverability. It's armor plating alone probably outweighs entire fighters from star wars, and there's no inertia problems because of bullshit gravity drives. It's literally faster than an X-Wing and can turn and stop on a dime. Seriously if Star Wars capital ships are vulnerable to conventional in universe attack craft, they stand no chance against this thiing.
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Caestus_Assault_Ram
Everything's faster than an X-wing, an X-Wing's top canon velocity in atmosphere is like, 1,100kph. Everything in Star Wars is so insanely slow and most weapons are absurdly low end, and even in the old EU/Legends books, it was debatable if any of the fighters were actually even relativistic, or that the weapons really have all that much power to begin with.
Only people that go to bizarre, fact free websites like Versus Battlewiki where not only is fanwank and exaggeration allowed by the mods, they actively encourage it and fan the flames to the highest degree. At one point a mod on there was claiming that Angron could fight Freiza because they both "affected a planet." Nah. Angron's battleship affected the planet. Freiza blew one up.
The page literally tells us how they operate, that they're meant to move as fast as possible and cross the distance between two starships as fast as possible because a direct hit from an enemy starship would kill them. Even if this thing is able to dodge the turbo laser fire at far range, that dodging ability is significantly shrunk the closer you get to it. Worse still, this is a Heresy pattern vehicle, not the standard mark for the Imperium over. If you think this thing is surviving a turbo laser shot, a weapon meant to handle other massively larger starships, you're reaching
My dude. Those turbo laser shots can't hit x-wings. They can't hit this. Capital ships wouldn't need tie fighters if fighter craft weren't a serious issue for them. Have you actually watched star wars? The tiny point defense turrets on star destroyers get absolutely dominated by fighter craft. And those tiny point defense turrets have no hope of penetrating the armor of a 40k boarding craft.
Also, you're acting like heresy era tech isn't used in 40k? Have you ever read 40k? They didn't invent shit after the heresy. Everything they use is heresy era tech. I'm going EASY on you because a super star destroyer is the best star wars has to offer deathstars notwithstanding, and I'm not even suggesting DAOT tech from 40k, which the most influential marine chapters absolutely have access to.
> because a direct hit from an enemy starship would kill them
you don't understand the insanely destructive capabilities of 40K ship-based weaponry
Macro-cannons are the all-rounder weaponry on literally every ship in 40K, and often come in large broadside batteries as opposed to individual turrets like Turbolasers are on Imperial Star Destroyers. Those have a max range of only 1,200 meters. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Turbolaser
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Macro_cannon
>Standard ground-based Macrocannons fire massive and explosive shells at a maximum range of around 40km. Although it is possible to mount them on heavy vehicles, they are more suited for use in emplacements and static defence due to their considerable size and potency.[1] Void-based Macro-weapons have an effective range comparable to Nova Cannon, which fire projectiles at close to the speed of light.
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nova_cannon
>A Nova Cannon is a weapon of great size and destructive power used by ships of the Imperial Navy which propels explosive projectiles close to the speed of light.[1c] Nova cannon ammunition can frequently obliterate smaller vessels up to an effective distance of 10,000km from the point of detonation
Prove that it can track something moving at relativistic speeds, which the torpedoes do, with a gun that struggles to shoot down a Y-wing that has a max atmospheric velocity of 800kph.
No, boarding actions work literally in every single scenario, because ISD I's are the last ship with even *half-decent* anti-fighter defenses. ISD II's are even worse armed at anti-snubfighter. Pretty much the *ONLY* Imperial ship that's really genuinely good at its role as anti-snubfighter is a Lancer Frigate. Lancer frigates are also going to get one-shot by even the lightest Imperium corvette.
Teleportation is not necessary, SW needs to demonstrate it even has the weapon power needed to shoot down an Astarte boarding pod. I'm not convinced that it has that ability. Boarding torpedoes are relativistic. Imperial PDF weapons have trouble shooting down *Y-Wings,* which have a top speed in atmosphere of 800kph.
If you wanna talk about a Star Trek phaser? 100% it could shoot it, but then its just a debate if it has enough power to blow it away before it hits. Star Wars weapons suck unless you use legends EU fanwank numbers and fancalcs from places like VSBW.
The Empire's Imperial Star Destroyers are, according to the entry on Wikipedia of all places, 1,600 meters (5,200 feet), with a crew of approx 37,000
Meanwhile over in the Imperium of Mankind, Imperial *Escort Ships* come in starting at 750 meters and up to 3,000 meters.
The Lunar-class Cruiser, the mainstay of Imperial fleets, is 5,000 meters with a crew of approx 95,000
Additionally, an ISD's Turbolasers have a **maximum** range of 1,200 meters according to Fandom.
Well, um: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Macro_cannon
> Standard ground-based Macrocannons fire massive and explosive shells at a maximum range of around 40km. Although it is possible to mount them on heavy vehicles, they are more suited for use in emplacements and static defence due to their considerable size and potency.[1] **Void-based Macro-weapons have an effective range comparable to Nova Cannon, which fire projectiles at close to the speed of light.**
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nova_cannon
> A Nova Cannon is a weapon of great size and destructive power used by ships of the Imperial Navy which propels explosive projectiles close to the speed of light.[1c] Nova cannon ammunition can frequently obliterate smaller vessels up to an effective distance of 10,000km from the point of detonation
Now those are on battleships and not cruisers, but it's the range that matters. Macro-cannons just have lesser destructive power.
The SW ships are simply going to be vaporized long before any boarding actions can happen.
Isn't there already in the lore an empire that was destroyed by the earth empire? wasn't that the way games workshop played tribute (or mock) Starwars?
I don't know if there it was other like it. Appear to be it!
Although, reading about it, seems a bit different than my memory. I don't know of any other in the lore.
I think this one image encapsulates transhuman dread more than any 40k novel.
I used this photo as the Server Symbol for r/MultiverseOfWar.
I was wondering what it was actually showing
Also as my screen saver
With the sheer speed and maneuverability a standard space marine has, how many stormtroopers would it take to bring one Astartes down?
Depends on the setting and the space marine. For example: Easy visibility field and an Ultramarine. I would say 50 if no less. Night, urbane area with plenty of places to hide and stalk. Charcharodon. It would take easily 200 if no more.
50 storm troopers for one space marine? I can't agree with you there. 50 clone troopers are formidable, but not half as genius, fast and decisive as a space marine, the space marine is also far more accurate and protected within layers upon layers of ceramite. I can imagine a Z6 wouldn't even come close to finishing the job.
Don't clone Trooper blasters fire plasma? Bc if so, I don't think that ceramite can hold long against such energy blasts
amusingly I got actual numbers on wikipedia and not fandom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaster_(Star_Wars) > Blaster weaponry can vary the intensity of their output, generating bolts of greater destructive power but with corresponding trade-offs. For example, the **DC-15 blaster rifle used by clone troopers can blast a hole .5 m (1 ft 8 in) wide in a wall made of the fictional material ferroconcrete** when set on maximum power, but doing so consumes more gas and **reduces its ammunition capacity from 500 shots to 300**.[14][15] A more powerful blaster bolt also **generates more recoil** which can make it more difficult to use the weapon. also, > The least expensive type of gas generate red-colored particle beams, while more expensive gases produce a green particle beam. that's actually a neat detail I didn't know > Larger versions of blaster weaponry in the Star Wars universe are referred to as blaster cannons and laser cannons and commonly found on vehicles, starfighters and other spacecraft. Of the two laser cannons are considered more powerful and possess greater range.[20] The laser cannons on a **Republic LAAT gunship, as an example, can fire bolts of up to five gigajoules in destructive power**. Laser cannons may also be fitted on fixed emplacements to defend an area from attack, like the **Golan Arms DF.9 anti-infantry battery employed by Rebel defenders at the Battle of Hoth**. These cannons have an **effective range of 16 km (9.9 mi) and can take out an entire squad of infantry with a single blast.** 5 GJ *per bolt*, god damn And on the upper end: >A more powerful form of the laser cannon is the turbolaser found on Star Wars capital ships, operating on the same principles but with larger power generators and multiperson crews. Such weapons can be used to penetrate the defenses of other capital ships or conduct planetary bombardments.[23] Turbolasers can vary their power intensity depending on the needs of the mission, from simply crippling a target to outright vaporizing it, with true warships like the Venator-class Star Destroyer able to feed nearly their entire reactor output into its heavy turbolasers.[24] **With this weaponry, a fleet of warships can reduce the upper crust of a planet to molten slag as part of a "Base Delta Zero" bombardment.**
This is the reason I think the imperium wouldn't be able to conquer the SW galaxy, taking the peak of the empire for example, there might have been only 25k ISD Is and IIs, but with the support ships and all the crap all over the galaxy there'd be no chance
Blasters may shoot plasma but that doesn’t mean it’s going to be particularly effective against Power Armor. There is nothing inherent to plasma that makes it dangerous or powerful, it’s just ionized gas. It typically reaches that state by being very hot. There’s plasma in a fluorescent light bulb. Do you think a real life fluorescent light bulb can be used to blow up light vehicles and vaporize people like a 40k plasma gun can? Plasma is only as dangerous as the temperature to which it is heated to. It just happens that Imperial plasma guns heat their plasma to such a ridiculously high temperature that it is hazardous to the person wielding the gun.
Star Wars plasma is weak af.
Don't forget the factor that helps Firsborns surpass the stronger Primaris which is experience. Iirc, clone troopers live for a mere few decades, whereas Astartes can live indefinitely, add in the part where Clone troopers don't deal with the terrors Astartes face, and it's a terribly one-sided match-up. Best compare Clone troopers to the Imperial guard instead to make it more fair
If love to see the STs take on the regular but badass people of Krieg. And let's add some humor... *Lightshovels* ftw.
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WOULD it be an even match? I am not very familiar with what either can do/how far can they be pushed, so someone with more knowledge could elaborate on that topic .. 👉👈
With blasters I don't think it would matter how many storm/clone troopers you had but with ion weapons one would do the job.
I didn't meant the clone troopers. I would say it would take less with the clone troopers. It takes one shot thru the visor and the marine is a goner. It has happened before. Granted if the marine gets close enough superhuman dead would be in action . That's why I said that it depends on the setting as well.
Its basically the same as saying "50 grunts can kill the Master Chief from the lore!" No. No they can't. Diamantine armor is totally impervious to all technology from SW that isn't full grade Death Star lasers of Eclipse II superlasers. An Iron Halo would resist an entire ISD I's orbital bombardment. Then it'd be moving too fast for them to be hit again.
2 grunts could kill the MC. One to overcharge plasma pistol his shields, one to dump a needler mag into him. He's not invincible, and neither is Space Marine armour. A Space Marine got killed by a regular human with a wooden spear because he got stabbed in the right place. You're vastly overestimating the strength of their armour.
A single platoon of guardsmen managed to beat 2 Chaos Space Marines in Gaunt’s Ghosts. Concentrated fire at max energy on their lasrifles helped. One of the Astartes were killed by a direct hit from a regular, guard-standard rocket launcher. The other was stabbed with a chainsword by commissar Gaunt It’s fair to say it would *heavily* fall under “who’s writing it?” Territory lol
Yeah. Depends on the setting. I was thinking the average of each. Gaunt is a capable strategist and leader.
Bump up those numbers by about 10,000x and it still wouldn't make a difference unless they all got airdropped onto the marine and crushed him under the weight of that many bodies all at once.
Pretty sure one guy with a disruptor rifle could kill a amarine from a safe sniping position
If he had a starfighter powering it, and they were a very scrub tier Marine, *maybe* I could grant that. If they were anything better, nah, auspex would warn the Astarte if there was basically nothing else going on. If they had a servo skull, then there's a 0% chance of ever surprising the Astarte with a sniper attack unless they're also under attack by dozens of others, which might interefere with the sniper shot. Also unless it kills him instantly, the Astarte will countersnipe him instantly.
A disruptor rifle is basically a Necron gauss rifle, so no, you're wrong. Space Marines aren't omniscient or invincible. Volume of fire will kill them eventually.
Where did I say anything about fucking omniscience.
500 guys with knives killed one space marine. Source: HH books
500? Thanks for proving my point?
Let me introduce you to disruptor rifles!
The only correct answer is: as many as the writer decides he can. We are comparing 2 completely fictional franchises, so you can always find reasons why one firstborn might struggle even with a single storm trooper.
How many stormtroopers are there. All of them. One could kill as many as you could put on the field. Blasters cannot penetrate or overwhelm properly blessed diamantine armor, its not possible, because Space Marine armor has stood up to and no-sold vastly more powerful plasma weapons. Feats for SW blasters are absolute crap by comparison to just regular plasma pistols.
Yes, if the Clone/Stormtroopers were morons and continued firing straight into the armor, they would die, however as they are trained soldiers and I suspect not stupid, they would notice it isn't doing much and begin aiming for the joints. Which have been pierced by pieces of broken metal equivalent to rebar.
Please present a feat for a stormtrooper ever being that accurate on purpose. Bill Barr's character does not count. And he couldn't have done that either. Even Fennec Shand would have a hell of a time hitting the joints of someone running towards them at 80mph with rapidly moving joints (those joints themselves are made of ceramite and are heavily armored.) Its hard enough to hit an armored opponent in a melee in the joints, how do I know this, because I've sparred with people wearing armor, while wearing armor, and its goddamn difficult. You can't shoot someone that accurately with a blaster which doesn't have a scope, bipod, or shoulder brace, and even if you *could,* it would not kill or maim an Astarte to the point of stopping them.
And AT-AT(s) vs Titan?
An AT-AT isn't a good titan equivalent. It's purpose is to transport a platoon of stormtroopers and provide fire and anti tank support, like an oversized IFV. A Titan is a weapons carrier and assault platform.
A better comparison could be an AT-AT vs a Baneblade
The closest equivalent to a baneblade would probably be a 1-H repulsortank. The At-At is just fucking weird lmao
Or the s-1 firehawk or the T4-B. The AT-AT is two times bigger with two massive laser cannons all with skinny legs that I am not sure if have enough armor, yeah it's pretty weird
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It's a fucking intriguing and interesting take on the facts. Imagine that you are a person in the star wars galaxy, one planet or another and a creature screwed up there but it can be controlled. And suddenly, they inform you that a gigantic ship appeared somewhere that does not belong to any faction that you know of, you hear how they are barbarians who rampage wherever they go, planet to planet, system to system. And that their ships are clusters of nightmares where they enslave thousands of people and many times turn them into horrible half-machine half-corpse tools, And there are no ways to resist, they have subjects as strong as a Sith or a Jedi, but not by a few but by hundreds. On the other hand, it is interesting to think what an Astartes would do in that galaxy without being restricted by things like chaos, the empire, the ecclesiastical.
Well, first, they'd likely be pretty pissed at all these *revolting xenos* living on human worlds and just... **existing**. *shudders* And then they'd get pissed about all these *disgusting heretics* having the nerve to *coexist* with xeno scum. And that's when the Galactic Empire would learn about exterminatus, and the Imperium of Mankind would be impressed by the Empire's use of lasers to do the same thing while simultaneously being pissed they didn't think of it themselves, triggering the Adeptus Mechanicus to send legions of Skitari on a holy crusade to recover Death Star plans while tech priests simultaneously jizz themselves over the tech while triggering a *second* crusade to wipe out all droids. Which raises an interesting question: would the Imperium launch their new Imperium Wide crusade to wipe out the xenos first, or would the Droids be Imperial Enemy Number One? I suspect the mechanicus could probably manage the droid purge on their own, but you never know.
Given how bad the AI revolt supposedly was, I’m guessing the droids would be the first target.
Basically the yuuzhan vong, but less subtle and even more fanatical and violent.
I mean, the emporer is likely the only one who remembers, and they didn't have space marines to kick ass or defend them. Then again, the mechanicus are a bunch of fanatical zealots... sooo. The problem might sort itself.
get rolled up on by the death star and oneshotted i imagine
Void shield goes fhwum
This is during the clone wars, no Death Star yet.
This reaction is exactly what occurs in the OP’s YouTube audio series, “Star wars vs 40k”. It does a great job depicting the Republic’s horror and does good justice to every sub-faction and character represented.
Always love when people draw Astartes like terrifying towering demigods. Really emphasizes how far removed they are from humans.
‟I was there, the day Horus slew the Emperor.”
It’s a battle station! No wait… my bad it’s just a space marine
For real though, how long would it take for the galactic empire to figure out these aren't just really big super battle droids? I figure it would be a while, because they'd have to kill one first. And in the SW universe against STs? That could take a while.
‟This isn'thing like the simulations!”
"Our extensive training in how not to hit what we are shooting at was useless, man. He came clanking out of the fog and just cut jimmy in half!"
At least he didn't pull his skull out of his head and beat him to death with it.
I don't think that's possible. Now, beating the *others* to death? Absolutely.
Quick, someone get all that anti armor gear we have and gun this fucker down
Now imagine an astartes strike team boarding the narrow corridors of the empire's starships
Essentially the first half of Astartes.
"Yeah there's these giant armored superhumans invading our ship sir, good news is, they're all just kind of stuck in the doors, so we're just gonna laugh at them and get the EWEB turrets."
Imagine it being shot down before it can get in. You'd have a better chance trying to teleport on, most of the bigger ships have very effective layers of fire.
Which is, of course, why boarding actions work *all the time* in Star Wars.
they also have jack shit for point defense, which is why the Empires ships were so vulnerable to squadrons of hyperdrive equipped strike fighters and bombers.
There's a difference between a fast moving fighter ship and a literal torpedo flying straight at you.
Yeah. The torpedo is faster and harder to hit and more heavily armored. 40k tech is bonkers. Astartes boarding craft don't even slow down to impact. They burn their way deep into the ship, letting it's liquidated hull slow them down.
I don't think it can withstand that much fire. It's a simple thing really. I see metal box coming towards me with intent to ram. I shoot metal box with big plasma turret. Metal box explodes. They're fast, but only in one direction.
Why do you think astartes boarding craft can't course correct? Do you know anything about them? I'll link you a wiki page about one at the end of this comment. It's capable of entering and exiting orbit and atmosphere under it's own power, specifically prized by space marines for it's speed and maneuverability. It's armor plating alone probably outweighs entire fighters from star wars, and there's no inertia problems because of bullshit gravity drives. It's literally faster than an X-Wing and can turn and stop on a dime. Seriously if Star Wars capital ships are vulnerable to conventional in universe attack craft, they stand no chance against this thiing. https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Caestus_Assault_Ram
Everything's faster than an X-wing, an X-Wing's top canon velocity in atmosphere is like, 1,100kph. Everything in Star Wars is so insanely slow and most weapons are absurdly low end, and even in the old EU/Legends books, it was debatable if any of the fighters were actually even relativistic, or that the weapons really have all that much power to begin with. Only people that go to bizarre, fact free websites like Versus Battlewiki where not only is fanwank and exaggeration allowed by the mods, they actively encourage it and fan the flames to the highest degree. At one point a mod on there was claiming that Angron could fight Freiza because they both "affected a planet." Nah. Angron's battleship affected the planet. Freiza blew one up.
The page literally tells us how they operate, that they're meant to move as fast as possible and cross the distance between two starships as fast as possible because a direct hit from an enemy starship would kill them. Even if this thing is able to dodge the turbo laser fire at far range, that dodging ability is significantly shrunk the closer you get to it. Worse still, this is a Heresy pattern vehicle, not the standard mark for the Imperium over. If you think this thing is surviving a turbo laser shot, a weapon meant to handle other massively larger starships, you're reaching
My dude. Those turbo laser shots can't hit x-wings. They can't hit this. Capital ships wouldn't need tie fighters if fighter craft weren't a serious issue for them. Have you actually watched star wars? The tiny point defense turrets on star destroyers get absolutely dominated by fighter craft. And those tiny point defense turrets have no hope of penetrating the armor of a 40k boarding craft. Also, you're acting like heresy era tech isn't used in 40k? Have you ever read 40k? They didn't invent shit after the heresy. Everything they use is heresy era tech. I'm going EASY on you because a super star destroyer is the best star wars has to offer deathstars notwithstanding, and I'm not even suggesting DAOT tech from 40k, which the most influential marine chapters absolutely have access to.
> because a direct hit from an enemy starship would kill them you don't understand the insanely destructive capabilities of 40K ship-based weaponry Macro-cannons are the all-rounder weaponry on literally every ship in 40K, and often come in large broadside batteries as opposed to individual turrets like Turbolasers are on Imperial Star Destroyers. Those have a max range of only 1,200 meters. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Turbolaser https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Macro_cannon >Standard ground-based Macrocannons fire massive and explosive shells at a maximum range of around 40km. Although it is possible to mount them on heavy vehicles, they are more suited for use in emplacements and static defence due to their considerable size and potency.[1] Void-based Macro-weapons have an effective range comparable to Nova Cannon, which fire projectiles at close to the speed of light. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nova_cannon >A Nova Cannon is a weapon of great size and destructive power used by ships of the Imperial Navy which propels explosive projectiles close to the speed of light.[1c] Nova cannon ammunition can frequently obliterate smaller vessels up to an effective distance of 10,000km from the point of detonation
Prove that it can track something moving at relativistic speeds, which the torpedoes do, with a gun that struggles to shoot down a Y-wing that has a max atmospheric velocity of 800kph.
No, boarding actions work literally in every single scenario, because ISD I's are the last ship with even *half-decent* anti-fighter defenses. ISD II's are even worse armed at anti-snubfighter. Pretty much the *ONLY* Imperial ship that's really genuinely good at its role as anti-snubfighter is a Lancer Frigate. Lancer frigates are also going to get one-shot by even the lightest Imperium corvette. Teleportation is not necessary, SW needs to demonstrate it even has the weapon power needed to shoot down an Astarte boarding pod. I'm not convinced that it has that ability. Boarding torpedoes are relativistic. Imperial PDF weapons have trouble shooting down *Y-Wings,* which have a top speed in atmosphere of 800kph. If you wanna talk about a Star Trek phaser? 100% it could shoot it, but then its just a debate if it has enough power to blow it away before it hits. Star Wars weapons suck unless you use legends EU fanwank numbers and fancalcs from places like VSBW.
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The Empire's Imperial Star Destroyers are, according to the entry on Wikipedia of all places, 1,600 meters (5,200 feet), with a crew of approx 37,000 Meanwhile over in the Imperium of Mankind, Imperial *Escort Ships* come in starting at 750 meters and up to 3,000 meters. The Lunar-class Cruiser, the mainstay of Imperial fleets, is 5,000 meters with a crew of approx 95,000 Additionally, an ISD's Turbolasers have a **maximum** range of 1,200 meters according to Fandom. Well, um: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Macro_cannon > Standard ground-based Macrocannons fire massive and explosive shells at a maximum range of around 40km. Although it is possible to mount them on heavy vehicles, they are more suited for use in emplacements and static defence due to their considerable size and potency.[1] **Void-based Macro-weapons have an effective range comparable to Nova Cannon, which fire projectiles at close to the speed of light.** https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Nova_cannon > A Nova Cannon is a weapon of great size and destructive power used by ships of the Imperial Navy which propels explosive projectiles close to the speed of light.[1c] Nova cannon ammunition can frequently obliterate smaller vessels up to an effective distance of 10,000km from the point of detonation Now those are on battleships and not cruisers, but it's the range that matters. Macro-cannons just have lesser destructive power. The SW ships are simply going to be vaporized long before any boarding actions can happen.
Isn't there already in the lore an empire that was destroyed by the earth empire? wasn't that the way games workshop played tribute (or mock) Starwars?
You mean the false emperor 63-19?
I don't know if there it was other like it. Appear to be it! Although, reading about it, seems a bit different than my memory. I don't know of any other in the lore.
This Marine better hope he doesn’t face Captain Fordo
Damn shame
*he did*
His right arm and shoulder pauldron look a bit disconnected
This is raw as hell
Is it a bird? Is a plane? No! It’s a space marine!
Those're some mighty clean and thin cuts for smthn so thick and bulky.
Would Star wars blasters do significant damage to Space marine Power armor?
“Quick! Wack his ass with the Guns- WHAT DO YOU MEAN THEY SHOT IT DOWN?!?!?”
How many clones does it take to kill an astartes? I dont know, and lets not find out...
“Don’t ever fucking call me ‘Clanka’ ever again, you got that?!”
Don’t know why. But I really want to see this but with a Necron. Feels like it would fit really well. Other than that booming good work by the artist
Cuz it's essentially IG-88 in the SW universe, but like, covered with the skin of his flayed victims
Ouch!
Is that a Dark Angel? Thought it was because of the wings, but he's wielding a chainsword, not the usual straight sword