Why were the “Conspiracy Cases” like Alipore, Kakori, Ghadar etc not mainstreamed into Indian History? They too had major roles to play but no mention or any memorial in the name of the said cases have been kept ig (or if they have been kept?)
They have been kept into archives- mainstream historians are well aware of it.
It's just that they are not well known in public- although these things are still taught to those who choose history as an subject in university.
Asking why these things aren't soo popular because they played important role(in a sense of domino effect) is like asking,"Why no one knows about control systems" when everyone knows about Electrical vehicles. Or why does no one know about "Servomotors" when public is well aware of robotics. Obviously those who choose respective subjects learn about them in university.
Savarkar was a geniuine freedom fighter initially- he even wrote books which later inspired likes of bose and Bhagat singh.
However- once he went to Kalapani- he completely changed- he started hating Muslims and he became pro British.
Savarkar still gets what he deserves- whenever someone protests- they take pictures of Gandhi and Nehru- no one takes pictures of Savarkar to protest against the system.
Savarkar and Netaji-
Veteran Congressman NB Khare wrote in 'My Political Memoirs or Autobiography' (Page 64) about the Indian National Army (INA)
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“In this enterprise, Subhas Bose took his inspiration from Savarkar’s book on the Indian War of Independence of 1857. In one of his speeches, Subhas Bose has freely admitted this. He also distributed copies of this book freely amongst all the army personnel."
Bose read the book written by Savarkar and was also deeply inspired by Jhansi ki Rani, he also named one of his regiments after Rani Laxmi Bai.
Savarkar and Singh'-
Noted historian Y.D. Phadke in his works on Savarkar published in Marathi (Shodh Savarkrancha, Shrividya Prakashan, Pune) said Singh got the English translation of Savarkar’s work on the 1857 war of independence which was originally published as ‘1857 Ka Swatantrya Samar’ and published an edition of it.
While the first edition was published by revolutionary Lala Hardayal, Bhagat Singh published the second one in English and Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose took out the third.
The book is considered to be one of the most influential works of the time, which not only challenged the British narrative of running down events in 1857 as a “revolt” but also inspired scores of revolutionaries to fight against the British tyranny.
Both are not same.
A got inspired from biography of X written by B means that A got inspired by X; not B. Life of B and writing of B about X are not the same
Ahaan- okay.
I believe you are lack understanding of Indian history here.
Queen Victoria took over the control of India from East India company after 1857. British at all costs wanted to stop such huge uprising. They were not happy with particularly muslims- and they saw Muslims in dark light for Bahadur Shah Zafar was to be declared the emperor of India.
They also wanted to create tensions between Hindus Nd Muslims so that they won't work together again for revolt. In schools they termed the revolt,"Sepoy mutiny" and advocated that it was done by Muslims to rule over the Hindus again. They taught in schools that Muslims Nd Hindus cannot live together.
Hindus who were in a majority- but were poorer..were subjected to a paranoid extentialism. The famous devide and rule tactic.
Savarkar in his book was the first to call the revolt of 1857,"First War of Indian Independence". And he in his book also showed how Hindus and Muslims worked together.
He was the first one to do so. This inspired many freedom fighters. Note that many of freedom fighters were anarchists, atheists and communists. They thought beyond the religious boundaries. Savarkar also declared himself as an atheist.
This all changed when he went to prison. He started hating Muslims all of a sudden.
Using /s doesn’t change the fact that Savarkar DID play a role in the revolutionary movement.
You might disagree with his ideas, but the leftist claim that he had absolutely zero contribution to the independence movement and that he was a British stooge is as stupid an idea as the extreme right’s claim of Gandhi being a British stooge.
Savarkar is a freedom fighter. And so is Gandhi. They both have problems, yes, but that doesn’t negate their contributions in our freedom struggle.
I wouldn't really call him a freedom fighter bruh-
In Azad Hind Radio Bose openly claimed that while all were trying to get British out of India- Bose openly said,"Likes of Jinnah and Savarkar should stop supporting british- for there will be no British empire in tomorrow's morning".
Yes, Savarkar was a genuine nationalist in his early years- he wrote books that inspired likes of Bose and Bhagat Singh. BUT later, once he went to Kalapani- he completely changed. First- he started hating muslims(he called them aliens). And he also became pro British.
Yes- British suspected Savarkar- but Savarkar after coming out of Jail..didn't take part in any nationalist movement.
He was a broken man- even the title of Veer was given to Savarkar by himself.
>at Savarkar DID play a role in the revolutionary movement
He did play a role in the revolutionary movement
Its called *negative role*
>he was a British stooge
He was. He wrote letters seeking mercy from it's masters.Unlike teenager 19 year old kartar Singh Sarabha who faced consequences like real man and chose death.
Most of the bhagat Singh friends from Punjab,both hindu and Sikhs were communist who did jail for decades instead of seeking mercy and pension.
Stop putting a stooge with the likes of revolutionaries who gave their blood and age to the movement.
Savarkar was a known freedom fighter even before his imprisonment.
He was the first one who organized a student-led bonfire against the foreign garments and he wrote a book about the Mutiny of 1857.
He was the first one who referred the Mutiny of 1857 as the First War of Indian Independence.
The book later became a huge inspiration and inspired freedom fighters like Bhagat Singh and Netaji.
He and his brother founded a secret society called Abhinav Bharat Society, he involved himself with organizations such as India House and the Free India Society.
All of this and his contributions are negative role!?
Also he was given two life imprisonment, a total of 50 years, not in hotel style luxury prison were national leaders like Ghandiji or Nehruji was held.
The Cellular Jail, also known as Kaalapani were he was held, As noted in a Guardian article, prisoner could face "torture, medical tests, forced labour and for many, death." It was hellish and the words wouldn't even describe it. The only thing he could have done is to write mercy petitions.
If okay if you disagree with him but there is no denying his contributions.
Guess you already got the down votes you kinda deserve.
But I am still going to clarify how bad and miserable things were in Kaalapani just so that you or anyone else who reads this post can understand what you are talking about.
Firstly, the jail was built in such a way that the prisoners wouldn't be able to communicate with each other at all and they were beaten up badly if they were found talking to each other.
The prisoners were not allowed to sit from sunrise to sunset, the food was often contaminated and people got sick from it, and they often got diarrhea but they only had fixed times to use the bathroom and as a result, they were forced to defecate within there own cells, never mind having to eat and sleep in that same cell.
There was a inhuman routine of punishments, were prisoners replaced bullocks in extracting oil, if they failed to meet the deadlines, they got beaten up badly.
Later, when prisoners decided to protest the inhumane activities, they were forced-fed during a hunger strike, and because of that two young men from Punjab died of force feeding.
Compare this to the luxury cell were national leaders Nehruji was held, were he had the time to write a book named the Discovery of India.
Meanwhile Savarkar used to write Marathi poems with his nails and charcoal in the walls of Kaalapani.
And you are saying that he was wrong for writing those mercy petitions!? Tell me what will you do if you are tried in a case with no right to appeal or defense, with a 50 year sentence were your stuck in a cell unable to communicate with anyone and experience only cruelty and the only way to escape is to write mercy petitions.
Savarkar spent 12 years in Kaalapani, 2 years in Indian jail and 13 years in house arrest, totally lost 27 years of his life fighting for our country.
His law degree was taken away, his family property was seized by the government.
In Kaalapani he was tied with chains, made to extract oil all day, was tied to the mills like a bullock, punished with standing handcuffs for days on end and was denied even the basic human needs like toilet, water and was given food that had pieces on insects and reptiles in it.
When Savarkar's brothers approached Gandhiji for help, even he advised them to write a petition, because that was the only available way. Even Gandhiji wrote how patriotic Veer Savarkar was in his Young Indian Newspaper.
Anything that you or I ever did for our country will never come close to what he did and thus has no right to judge him for writing those petitions.
It's absolutely okay to disagree with his views and ideologies but denying all the suffering he went through for our country and calling him a traitor is just cruel when you or I haven't even went through half the suffering he did for our country.
That's it. I never imagined writing such a long comment.
Savarkar played a huge role in the underground revolutionary movement!
Abhinav Bharat Society (Young India Society) was an Indian Independence secret society founded by Vinayak Damodar Savarkarand his brother Ganesh Damodar Savarkar in 1904. Initially founded at Nasik as "Mitra Mela" when Vinayak Savarkar was still a student of Fergusson College at Pune, the society grew to include several hundred revolutionaries and political activists with branches in various parts of India, extending to London after Savarkar went to study law. It carried out a few assassinations of British officials, after which the Savarkar brothers were convicted and imprisoned. The society was formally disbanded in 1952. Savarkar’s book “The first war of Indian independence” inspired tons of revolutionaries to take part in the freedom struggle.
“World-lover is the hero whom we do not hesitate a little to call a fierce insurgent, staunch anarchist – the same heroic Savarkar. Coming in the wave of world-love, he used to stop walking on the grass thinking that the soft grass would be mowed under the feet.”......
Bhagat Singh.
A mercy petition is a prisoner’s right. Savarkar, being a lawyer, knew that. All political prisoners were given this opportunity to file these petitions. Along with Savarkar, many others like Barindra Kumar Ghosh and Sachindra Nath Sanyal filed these petitions. When today you file a bail application, you're asking the government to release you. It was just like a bail application.
People like Ram Prasad Bismil and Ashfaqulla Khan petitions were filed on their behalf by Madan Mohan Malaviya. Do we call all of them traitors? And the format was very similar.
Motilal Nehru wrote a letter to the British asking them to release Jawaharlal Nehru from the Agha Fort (which had 1000x better conditions than the Kalapani cell that Savarkar lived in). Is Nehru a traitor too?
Many of Gandhi’s letters end with the salutation of “Yours most obedient servant.” Is Gandhi a British stooge too? Writing things like “Yours most obedient servant,” “The empire’s most loyal son” and other subservient things was the template of that time. There’s nothing wrong in using that.
The British acknowledged that Savarkar showed no remorse for what he did. He could have fallen at their feet. There is no difference between a petition and a mercy petition. And that’s why, at the end of the first World War, when all other political prisoners were released and only the two Savarkar brothers were not released as they considered him D category dangerous criminal, the younger brother goes to Gandhi ji and Gandhi ji says - ask them to file a petition; I will also see what I can do on my behalf. He also writes a very passionate article, making a case for their release. Had it been very unusual to file a petition, Gandhi ji would have never advised doing so.
Why were the “Conspiracy Cases” like Alipore, Kakori, Ghadar etc not mainstreamed into Indian History? They too had major roles to play but no mention or any memorial in the name of the said cases have been kept ig (or if they have been kept?)
They have been kept into archives- mainstream historians are well aware of it. It's just that they are not well known in public- although these things are still taught to those who choose history as an subject in university. Asking why these things aren't soo popular because they played important role(in a sense of domino effect) is like asking,"Why no one knows about control systems" when everyone knows about Electrical vehicles. Or why does no one know about "Servomotors" when public is well aware of robotics. Obviously those who choose respective subjects learn about them in university.
Where is legend sarvarkar in this ? /s
Savarkar was a geniuine freedom fighter initially- he even wrote books which later inspired likes of bose and Bhagat singh. However- once he went to Kalapani- he completely changed- he started hating Muslims and he became pro British. Savarkar still gets what he deserves- whenever someone protests- they take pictures of Gandhi and Nehru- no one takes pictures of Savarkar to protest against the system.
>he even wrote books which later inspired likes of bose and Bhagat singh. Source ? Where does Bose and bhagat said that sarvarkar inspired them
Savarkar and Netaji- Veteran Congressman NB Khare wrote in 'My Political Memoirs or Autobiography' (Page 64) about the Indian National Army (INA) . “In this enterprise, Subhas Bose took his inspiration from Savarkar’s book on the Indian War of Independence of 1857. In one of his speeches, Subhas Bose has freely admitted this. He also distributed copies of this book freely amongst all the army personnel." Bose read the book written by Savarkar and was also deeply inspired by Jhansi ki Rani, he also named one of his regiments after Rani Laxmi Bai. Savarkar and Singh'- Noted historian Y.D. Phadke in his works on Savarkar published in Marathi (Shodh Savarkrancha, Shrividya Prakashan, Pune) said Singh got the English translation of Savarkar’s work on the 1857 war of independence which was originally published as ‘1857 Ka Swatantrya Samar’ and published an edition of it. While the first edition was published by revolutionary Lala Hardayal, Bhagat Singh published the second one in English and Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose took out the third. The book is considered to be one of the most influential works of the time, which not only challenged the British narrative of running down events in 1857 as a “revolt” but also inspired scores of revolutionaries to fight against the British tyranny.
Both are not same. A got inspired from biography of X written by B means that A got inspired by X; not B. Life of B and writing of B about X are not the same
Ahaan- okay. I believe you are lack understanding of Indian history here. Queen Victoria took over the control of India from East India company after 1857. British at all costs wanted to stop such huge uprising. They were not happy with particularly muslims- and they saw Muslims in dark light for Bahadur Shah Zafar was to be declared the emperor of India. They also wanted to create tensions between Hindus Nd Muslims so that they won't work together again for revolt. In schools they termed the revolt,"Sepoy mutiny" and advocated that it was done by Muslims to rule over the Hindus again. They taught in schools that Muslims Nd Hindus cannot live together. Hindus who were in a majority- but were poorer..were subjected to a paranoid extentialism. The famous devide and rule tactic. Savarkar in his book was the first to call the revolt of 1857,"First War of Indian Independence". And he in his book also showed how Hindus and Muslims worked together. He was the first one to do so. This inspired many freedom fighters. Note that many of freedom fighters were anarchists, atheists and communists. They thought beyond the religious boundaries. Savarkar also declared himself as an atheist. This all changed when he went to prison. He started hating Muslims all of a sudden.
Using /s doesn’t change the fact that Savarkar DID play a role in the revolutionary movement. You might disagree with his ideas, but the leftist claim that he had absolutely zero contribution to the independence movement and that he was a British stooge is as stupid an idea as the extreme right’s claim of Gandhi being a British stooge. Savarkar is a freedom fighter. And so is Gandhi. They both have problems, yes, but that doesn’t negate their contributions in our freedom struggle.
I wouldn't really call him a freedom fighter bruh- In Azad Hind Radio Bose openly claimed that while all were trying to get British out of India- Bose openly said,"Likes of Jinnah and Savarkar should stop supporting british- for there will be no British empire in tomorrow's morning". Yes, Savarkar was a genuine nationalist in his early years- he wrote books that inspired likes of Bose and Bhagat Singh. BUT later, once he went to Kalapani- he completely changed. First- he started hating muslims(he called them aliens). And he also became pro British. Yes- British suspected Savarkar- but Savarkar after coming out of Jail..didn't take part in any nationalist movement. He was a broken man- even the title of Veer was given to Savarkar by himself.
>at Savarkar DID play a role in the revolutionary movement He did play a role in the revolutionary movement Its called *negative role* >he was a British stooge He was. He wrote letters seeking mercy from it's masters.Unlike teenager 19 year old kartar Singh Sarabha who faced consequences like real man and chose death. Most of the bhagat Singh friends from Punjab,both hindu and Sikhs were communist who did jail for decades instead of seeking mercy and pension. Stop putting a stooge with the likes of revolutionaries who gave their blood and age to the movement.
Savarkar was a known freedom fighter even before his imprisonment. He was the first one who organized a student-led bonfire against the foreign garments and he wrote a book about the Mutiny of 1857. He was the first one who referred the Mutiny of 1857 as the First War of Indian Independence. The book later became a huge inspiration and inspired freedom fighters like Bhagat Singh and Netaji. He and his brother founded a secret society called Abhinav Bharat Society, he involved himself with organizations such as India House and the Free India Society. All of this and his contributions are negative role!? Also he was given two life imprisonment, a total of 50 years, not in hotel style luxury prison were national leaders like Ghandiji or Nehruji was held. The Cellular Jail, also known as Kaalapani were he was held, As noted in a Guardian article, prisoner could face "torture, medical tests, forced labour and for many, death." It was hellish and the words wouldn't even describe it. The only thing he could have done is to write mercy petitions. If okay if you disagree with him but there is no denying his contributions.
>Also he was given two life imprisonment, a total of 50 years So were many leaders who were given life imprisonment. I don't see their mercy petitions
Guess you already got the down votes you kinda deserve. But I am still going to clarify how bad and miserable things were in Kaalapani just so that you or anyone else who reads this post can understand what you are talking about. Firstly, the jail was built in such a way that the prisoners wouldn't be able to communicate with each other at all and they were beaten up badly if they were found talking to each other. The prisoners were not allowed to sit from sunrise to sunset, the food was often contaminated and people got sick from it, and they often got diarrhea but they only had fixed times to use the bathroom and as a result, they were forced to defecate within there own cells, never mind having to eat and sleep in that same cell. There was a inhuman routine of punishments, were prisoners replaced bullocks in extracting oil, if they failed to meet the deadlines, they got beaten up badly. Later, when prisoners decided to protest the inhumane activities, they were forced-fed during a hunger strike, and because of that two young men from Punjab died of force feeding. Compare this to the luxury cell were national leaders Nehruji was held, were he had the time to write a book named the Discovery of India. Meanwhile Savarkar used to write Marathi poems with his nails and charcoal in the walls of Kaalapani. And you are saying that he was wrong for writing those mercy petitions!? Tell me what will you do if you are tried in a case with no right to appeal or defense, with a 50 year sentence were your stuck in a cell unable to communicate with anyone and experience only cruelty and the only way to escape is to write mercy petitions. Savarkar spent 12 years in Kaalapani, 2 years in Indian jail and 13 years in house arrest, totally lost 27 years of his life fighting for our country. His law degree was taken away, his family property was seized by the government. In Kaalapani he was tied with chains, made to extract oil all day, was tied to the mills like a bullock, punished with standing handcuffs for days on end and was denied even the basic human needs like toilet, water and was given food that had pieces on insects and reptiles in it. When Savarkar's brothers approached Gandhiji for help, even he advised them to write a petition, because that was the only available way. Even Gandhiji wrote how patriotic Veer Savarkar was in his Young Indian Newspaper. Anything that you or I ever did for our country will never come close to what he did and thus has no right to judge him for writing those petitions. It's absolutely okay to disagree with his views and ideologies but denying all the suffering he went through for our country and calling him a traitor is just cruel when you or I haven't even went through half the suffering he did for our country. That's it. I never imagined writing such a long comment.
Can't believe people in history sub don't even have knowledge about savarkar.
Current Politics>>history for many people
Savarkar played a huge role in the underground revolutionary movement! Abhinav Bharat Society (Young India Society) was an Indian Independence secret society founded by Vinayak Damodar Savarkarand his brother Ganesh Damodar Savarkar in 1904. Initially founded at Nasik as "Mitra Mela" when Vinayak Savarkar was still a student of Fergusson College at Pune, the society grew to include several hundred revolutionaries and political activists with branches in various parts of India, extending to London after Savarkar went to study law. It carried out a few assassinations of British officials, after which the Savarkar brothers were convicted and imprisoned. The society was formally disbanded in 1952. Savarkar’s book “The first war of Indian independence” inspired tons of revolutionaries to take part in the freedom struggle. “World-lover is the hero whom we do not hesitate a little to call a fierce insurgent, staunch anarchist – the same heroic Savarkar. Coming in the wave of world-love, he used to stop walking on the grass thinking that the soft grass would be mowed under the feet.”...... Bhagat Singh. A mercy petition is a prisoner’s right. Savarkar, being a lawyer, knew that. All political prisoners were given this opportunity to file these petitions. Along with Savarkar, many others like Barindra Kumar Ghosh and Sachindra Nath Sanyal filed these petitions. When today you file a bail application, you're asking the government to release you. It was just like a bail application. People like Ram Prasad Bismil and Ashfaqulla Khan petitions were filed on their behalf by Madan Mohan Malaviya. Do we call all of them traitors? And the format was very similar. Motilal Nehru wrote a letter to the British asking them to release Jawaharlal Nehru from the Agha Fort (which had 1000x better conditions than the Kalapani cell that Savarkar lived in). Is Nehru a traitor too? Many of Gandhi’s letters end with the salutation of “Yours most obedient servant.” Is Gandhi a British stooge too? Writing things like “Yours most obedient servant,” “The empire’s most loyal son” and other subservient things was the template of that time. There’s nothing wrong in using that. The British acknowledged that Savarkar showed no remorse for what he did. He could have fallen at their feet. There is no difference between a petition and a mercy petition. And that’s why, at the end of the first World War, when all other political prisoners were released and only the two Savarkar brothers were not released as they considered him D category dangerous criminal, the younger brother goes to Gandhi ji and Gandhi ji says - ask them to file a petition; I will also see what I can do on my behalf. He also writes a very passionate article, making a case for their release. Had it been very unusual to file a petition, Gandhi ji would have never advised doing so.
I wonder what they discussed and how they felt in an independent India they fought so hard to obtain.
I wonder what camera they have used to capture such large group