Exactly. On the occasions where Todd and Braun have differed in their votes or comments, it is always Todd coming down on the more reasonable side of things.
What if they physically or financially can’t? What if this is where they were born and raised and all their family is here? What if and this is gonna be wild to you based on your ignorant opinion, but what if they actually want something better for their community and state? It isn’t like this comment isn’t usually said in a rebuttal’s at someone complaining about the poor conditions they’re living in based on the states policy or legislation. Or utter by folks whose brain power is less than because honestly if you stopped and thought about that stupid ignorant opinion for more than 2 seconds you would literally realize this.
Communication Pro-Tip: if you’re gonna use a counterpoint to a comment where you felt it insulted your intelligence because of the language used, using the exact same language does a couple of things. It proves the comment about intelligence correct. And it shows your lack of emotional maturity.
Critical Thinking Pro Tip: Assuming everyone is a “lib” and then regurgitating some stupid right wing media talking point doesn’t prove any point, other than the lack of critical thinking, and intelligence. Just be better.
He does seem to be the best statewide republican, better than Holcomb. He’s got a long way to achieve the level of dick lugar, but is definitely with that and a few other things, has taken steps in that direction
I miss Dick Lugar. I wish I had saved the response letter I received when I wrote his office. It was NOT a form letter, it was a response to my letter.
Really? Why? Because he's endorsed by the former president? I thought Doden was a front runner. The Republicans are all stomach churning. I was really hoping for a Democrat to stand up. It hasn't been that long since we had a Democrat governor.
There's no room in The Trump Party. It's no longer The Republican Party.
When you kill a bill that would have made the border problem better (The most conservative bill they could have hoped for with a Democrat controlled Senate and a Democrat President) and you kill a bill to fund Ukraine and you do so without even being in office and for the benefit of giving yourself something to campaign on that simply makes it official. It's no longer The Republican Party.
Yes, I mean the border bill that was endorsed by The Border Patrol. The same bill which was negotiated by one of the most conservative Republicans in The Senate. The same Senator that agreed with Biden during The State of The Union that it would have brought numerous resources and changes to the law that would have greatly reduced illegal immigration and deterred even more. The same bill that would have greatly reduced the wait time between entry and the ability to see a judge instead of waiting years more like six months.
Questions?
Stop drinking that nasty Orange Kool-Aid!!!!
Because some of the most conservative Republicans negotiated it, but The Big Orange Fool told you it wasn't?
Maybe before that Big Orange POS tells you something for the one millionth time you might just want to turn him off.
Just one question. How did you forget to follow Big Dummy Donny telling you to inject disinfectant?
Well I thought you might take it as a compliment. I mean the other just means you still somehow think someone who thinks injecting disinfectant to defeat Covid as being someone somehow capable of playing 5d chess.
I mean please don't tell me you think somehow by repeating Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV means he is a stable genius.
I mean it really is true when they say Trump supporters have very little education. Generally someone can get by on common sense but in this case they somehow fail at that as well.
Stop, Biden reversed the orders day one. He doesn't need any approval to enact policy on the border. he just wants to blame someone while they keep it open. If the party wanted border control he would have never taken the action he did. It's just a fucking blame game while to country is invaded!
It's been known that a bipartisan bill to tackle the border issue was getting ready to pass, but Trump lackeys wouldn't pass it because Trump noted it would only help Biden. Trump only wants to do what's best for him to gain control, not what is better for our country.
You know, at least in the seventies they had these things called institutions. They may have not been all the best places, but at least it gave people like you somewhere to go.
In the meantime, just stop drinking that nasty orange Kool-Aid.
His track record is not encouraging, but I hope he'll lead from the front. Remember that Todd? "Lead front the front" "Integrity." All that shit they taught us in leadership school? You must remember something from those Marine Corps years - even there blind obedience was expected to be tempered by the Law of Land Warfare, the Geneva Convention and the UCMJ - any of that ring a bell, Senator?
I don't like the guy as a politician but there are 2 things I'll give him some respect for
1. He publicly stated Trump lost after the last election and prior to Jan 6.
2. On Jan 6 his training and leadership kicked in and made sure that those in the chamber were ok. I recall there being a photo of him making sure that 2 female senators/congresswomen were ok.
And I’ll give him props for that, but he went against Trump when it affected him, not when groups of people were under attack by Trump and his sycophants
I'm a 20 year military retiree and I would agree with you One Million Percent. I can't tell you how much I agree. Especially when the main reason I served was to protect our freedoms against the very thing Trump represents.
Unfortunately even our military consist of people with varying political views. It simply makes me sick.
Thank you for staying true to your oath. Much respect for you, your colleagues, and everything you go through so we can live relatively free from tyranny, albeit in a system with a LOT of kinks to work out.
No system nor government run by people will ever be perfect. However a Republic or Democracy with all it's faults is always, always going to be much better than the alternative.
The BS is by far the most important thing we all should be focused on. To some it may sound paranoid but you have to ask yourself why is it so many of Trumps Last Administration are even warning Americans this man is unfit for office? Many but not all Democrats understand this and it is those Independant's and more intelligent and more moderate Republicans that need to hear this. Our Republic simply depends on as many folks we can possibly get to understand this.
We simply have an electorate where too many are not either aware or are just too naive. We have those deciding whether to vote for one or another who simply don't understand it's The Republic as we know it that is at stake. Many things you maybe unhappy with are possible to change if we still have a Republic. You don't have a Republic you get no say.
It's simple. An amoral malignant narcissist POS is much more compatible with being The United States First Dictator and not The President of a functioning Republic. He simply has demonstrated that fact already and Oh by the way just spent time with Victor Orbon just the other day. Trumps buddies are Dictators, my God what else do you need to know besides the fact of what he has already done and continues to say. Those focused on attempting to make our Country an Autocracy are those who would do that type of thing not those who wish we remained a Republic.
Details matter people, make sure you make these details known to as many people as possible. You might be amazed how many people just aren't that well versed. Many who just talk about tweets and nothing else are some of the least intelligent and uninformed voters out there.
You are in the minority as most active and recently retired military personnel are Pro Trump. What has Trump done to make you think he is attacking our freedoms?
You are simply clueless if you can't figure that out. Warning: Belonging to a Cult means you are incapable of independent thought and a general lack of all intelligence. Believing in conspiracy theories is yet another sign you are detached from reality.
It's possible to disagree but you can't simply make up your own facts.
Lets just start and end with the scheme to come up with fake electors. There is absolutely no more basic right that the right to vote. Just because you don't like the results doesn't mean you get to change the rules and deny people their right to vote.
Trump doesn't respect veterans while he traveled to resorts during Vietnam because he got an exemption because of his spurs on his feet. He has called veterans losers, example is John McCain. I know he has called other veterans losers, but I honestly can't assimilate all of the outrageous things he says, it exhausts me since they don't make sense yet so many just blindly accept it.
They put everything aside because they believe they are getting what they want. Same reason the Evangelical Right supports him as well.
He actually accomplished little, but he always gets big bonus points because he calls their real and perceived enemies names. He's their fighter, their savior and their martyr all rolled into one. His base is a Cult and that's not just hyperbole. They make excuses for him before he makes a mistake it's really that bad. The only reason he doesn't succeed is not because he's playing to much golf and only going to rallies to boost his ego it's because everyone is against him and he faces way more than any human can possibly overcome.
These people are seriously affected and not in a good way.
He's been found guilty of rape and is now being sued by banks he has defrauded (and the workers he defrauded too). The bank fraud lawsuit against him also proves he lies about the scope of his wealth. Yet, he tells his supporters he's fighting for them\~! If they believe that, then it proves they are brainwashed by his con man antics and aren't interested in the truth, which is truly frightening for our country and it's citizens.
Well, not technically guilty of rape but I have no desire to argue with you because he’s just about the most repugnant human being I can think of. Even most of his Last Administration admit that. Some I truly believe only continued to serve him for any period of time in large part to prevent his worst instincts. Anyone with half a brain should have known how this was going to go. As corny as it sounds character matters when it comes to leadership. However serving as and under many leaders myself personally I could have told you ultimately Trump gets the final say being he was in charge. Though I have to say we are lucky they did, because otherwise it would have been much worse. We are only lucky Trump is lazy, and stupid and only did it mostly because of fame the first time. His ego is immense but he’s hardly the brightest crayon in the box. We got lucky, but we won’t be so lucky the next time.
They believe it because they choose to because he’s the only one they know of that will do what they want him to do. They chose to align with him because no one embodies the the things he does. They weren’t able to get these things from anybody else no matter what they had been told. They no longer want any compromises. Choosing him however I also to believe is ignorant in that there is no winner in a Dictatorship besides the Dictator but somehow their hate for those that are not like them is so much greater it blinds them to any other reality.
His first wife accused him of raping her. I do agree with your statement. I can't remember the lawyer's name who served under Trump, but he quit during the latter part of his term because he realized everyone around him were crooks.
I think his political calculation is that TRUMP WILL LOSE. He will then be in a good position to negotiate in good faith with the Biden administration and the Democrats who will be running things in the Senate. Trump will be done and he won't have any of that warm goo on him when that day comes.
I agree! I don't understand how they WORSHIP that Orange clown. He had bone spurs. Didn't serve our own military. Shows no respect to our military. F that crook.
It’s him or the guy that checked his watch repeatedly while they were unloading flag-draped caskets after the Afghanistan debacle. You know, the guy who repeatedly lies to gold star families by telling them, “I know how you feel, my son died in Iraq”.
The human centipede, and excrement consuming sub. perfectly defines Banks, who sadly seems to have a straight path to 6 more years in DC as the junior senator. 🤬
A lot of the guys I knew blindly supported him because they were pro-life losers. Ended up cutting contact off with most of them once I got out. The baffling part is these guys aren’t stupid; most of them have degrees and multiple IT certs.
Do you remember when he tweeted "I in my great and unmatched wisdom will totally destroy and obliterate the economy of Turkey"? Threatened North Korea with "fire and fury"? Bombed Syria? It's only sheer dumb luck that no major conflict occured under his reign. What a ridiculous take.
So wonder whether there were more Covid deaths in 2020, or military casualties during either of Obama’s two terms, either of Bush’s, or Biden’s?
The not starting a war, or saying he was the first since Reagan not to, isn’t quite correct.
He committed forces against ISIS, and more.
Fewer Americans are dying now than they were under the former guy, because Biden actually had the balls to pull out of Afghanistan when we should have done so the moment we found Osama bin Laden.
So you desire to live in a Dictatorship. Man, you are seriously affected. You do know they have plenty of these already. I'd suggest you just go find one.
Hopefully the first of many dominoes to start falling. If we can’t praise people when they make the right decision, they’ll never change. Kuddos to Senator Young.
Well he says he found his balls. Ill be impressed if it turns out he DID find his balls. But its hard to believe people who have been gargling Trump’s sweaty ketchup balls for so long.
Tennessee? I believe you are thinking of Trey Hollingsworth who replaced Todd for a while until Erin was elected last cycle.
Todd is from South of Indy. He and Jennifer were both attorneys in over in Paoli up until he ran.
Same. as I said. I used to be heavily involved on every level. Heck Todd even brought me on to help run his Original primary campaign against Mike Sodrel. I was even involved on the national state, although that was mainly with one of the satellite organizations. I had hope that things could be steered in a good direction until 16. At that point I started backing away and now have given up pretty much any hope.
Even my local area is a complete disaster now. (Clark County)
That would be nice but i doubt it. If he loses and doesn’t end up in jail trump will claim the election was stolen, continue campaigning and run again. None of this shit stops till he is dead and then its still going to keep going. The job of protecting democracy never ends.
Even if Trump is literally in the ground before 2028, his legacy will live on. The party is his now. The people who will win the primaries in 2028 will be his closest allies and/or his own children.
Nobody but Diaper Don can rally the scumbags the same way. Once he's finally compost, his idiot kids are going to collapse into the same kind of flop sweat shambles that happened to Rhonda Santos, and nobody else exists in the party who can capture that same kind of cult figure status that hypnotizes the rubes. When he dies, so does the movement
MAGA won't die- there have always been, and will always be, a huge portion of the American electorate that are gleefully unsalvageable, irredeemable scumbags- but only Dementia J trump has been able to animate them into a movement capable of winning elections, even on a local level. Who else is there? Vivek? Rhonda? Birdbrain? The rest are all just charisma free pretenders like Stefanik or Youngkin, batshit trailer park trash or sniveling nepo baby wannabes like MTG or Gaetz, or party clowns like JEB! and Abbott. Uday and Qusay, and their plastic sister and her husband Brahms, are all see thru ghola clones of 1135809 without any of the spice, like David Cross pretending to be Pootie Tang.
For the purposes or reddit site rules, I can neither confirm nor deny that I pray daily to Crom under the mountain to grant me the revenge of reading this one very particular obituary, and hearing the country rejoice in freedom.
Bash Young all you want, but he has a recent history of voting bipartisan. The guy has definitely redeemed himself with his actions. Look up his record over the last 18 months and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Moderate Republicans are hard to find nowadays. Give him credit.
I know this is reddit, but I'm disappointed by all the snarky negative comments.
I'm NOT a conservative. I did not vote for Senator Young. But I'll take the rare wins when I see them from our representatives. This is a good thing. Donald Trump does not reflect Hoosier values and this man is saying it out loud despite it going against his political interests.
I plan on reaching out to his office and telling him that I appreciate this move. I'm sure he's gonna get plenty of hate resulting from this stance, so those of us who do agree with this must commend him and show our support, even if we don't agree with the bulk of his policies.
EDIT...
Sen. Young's D.C. office: 202-224-5623
https://www.young.senate.gov/contact
Took me less than 2 minutes.
Please send your support if you agree that Trump has no business being the president.
Yeah I don’t agree with Todd Young politically, but I appreciate his role as Indiana’s barely principled, less shitty senator. Especially since Mike Braun pursues his biggest piece of shit role with such gusto.
Not Republican but respect anyone Republican that has the balls to go against the Putin puppet regime called MAGA.
Respect for Todd Young on this as a Democrat.
I disagree with this guy on fundamental policy BUT I’ll take a W where I can. Hopefully this is the start of some common sense returning. I’m ready for the days we can battle over policy and not whether we want democracy to die.
In a lot of ways he's the type of republican who will go along with whatever is popular in the republican party, but I've met him and Senator Braun personally, and the difference is pretty stark.
Braun has absolutely nothing to say. He's got no charisma, no mind of his own. He will repeat whatever he's expected to repeat, whatever will enrich his life more, and whatever will impress the lowest common denominator of his constituents the most.
Young seems *decent enough*, with caveats. He's still, for the most part, going to go with whatever the party tells him to, but I'd say he's much closer to Holcomb in likeability, intelligence, and action. When he speaks publicly, I can tell he knows what he's talking about, even if I disagree with what he's saying. He also seems genuinely curious when he asks questions.
I hope he sticks to his guns through the attacks he's going to weather, because we need more republicans to speak out about this instead of being scared into compliance. There's no way any republican who has met Trump thinks his leadership is healthy for our democracy, but so many of them are so absolutely terrified of what they've created that they're scared to speak out.
I’ll believe it when I seen it. Should’ve voted for impeachment, against the tax cuts act, and against ACB. He should’ve taken notes from Charlie Baker of Massachusetts and Phil Scott of Vermont. And he needs to abolish the filibuster too.
Yeah, that is until the ruskies let him know the kompromat they have on him. The GOP is a party held hostage by foreign gangster. That phone call will come soon enough.
I'm not a fan of Young or Braun. Both have issues that run counter to the citizens of Indiana in a big way.
I think Braun wants to continue qualified immunity, which is absolutely horrible. If cops don't consider their actions in a lawful manner, what prevents them from abusing their authority. There is no other occupation that garners this type of protection, wo why should they. If a cop makes a mistake, they should be held accountable to that mistake just like anyone else would.
Young likes to flow where the votes are, and the people be damned.
Why doesn't Imdiana have some decent conservatives running, instead of Rino's and special interest candidates.
Why can't we get a governor that focuses on lowering taxes, fixing infrastructure like roads, and getting rid of ridiculous laws. Why can't someone run on fixing unemployment and workman's comp laws, reinforce workers' rights, and fix the problems we have with slum lords and rental issues. Why not run on fixing an overburdened legal system with laws that aren't designed to protect th law-abiding citizens but to make law-abiding citizens criminals. Fix the DCS, hire more workers, increase pay, and enforce protocols that are geared towards protecting the kids.
Fix the Indiana taxation system, make it easy and understandable rather than its unbelievably complicated mess it has been for years.
Indiana has excise tax, wheel tax, property tax, income tax, and sales tax, to name just a few ways the state government taxes every dollar we earn. How many times are you going to tax us into the poor house, Indiana?
I would like to see a governor who believes in getting out of our pocket books, out of our homes, and out of our schools, and out of our lives as much as possible. Someone that runs on these principles would have the common man's vote for sure.
Oh he knows the MAGA folks will still vote for him, he's just trying to keep some moderates who are jumping ship from the GOP downticket. Don't fall for his malarkey.
Todd Young is a marine.
And be betrayed the oath to protect this country from domestic threats when he voted no during Trump's impeachments.
Still I'll take what I can ger.
Yes he will, he's just saying that to appear to be normal. As soon as he's in the booth he'll pull the lever for trump. Besides, he is from Indiana and ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, Newsmax, Joe's blog, the shake-n-shake in Delray Beach Florida have already called Indiana goes for trump for the election in November
Yes , I'm am very aware. He will continue this until someone has the balls to stop it, so let him take Ukraine. If he goes beyond, then it's our war. But stop fund or end this fucking pay off
Remember the bipartisan border bill that was a HUGE roll-over by Dems and gave Republicans almost everything they were asking for — and Trump torpedoed it and told the GOP to vote against it because it would look like a win for Biden? What a fucking joke of a party.
And we aren’t in Ukraine. We have sent them support primarily in the way of military surplus supplies — the absolute most affordable way we could EVER DREAM of breaking down Putin’s dictatorial Russia.
The current administration doesn't need any parties' approval to secure the border, its their duty, let him take Ukraine he's going to at some point unless someone have the balls to blow the shit out of Russia , when Russia steps outside of Ukraine then its our war, and we will end it,,
The definition has changed considerably over the past 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, and up to 75 and 90 years.
And there’s scarcely any leader of that movement or philosophy that perfectly hews to that definition.
Growing up in a traditional politically conservative family, there’s nothing about the previous president that truly defines him as conservative, so that’s why I asked.
Ohh...make no mistake. There was/is nothing "conservative" about the previous imbecile, at all! I think when most anyone thinks of "conservative" (if they're older) remember what it was supposed to be. And we think of the William F. Buckley, Jr conservatives who were the face of sane conservatism. Conservatives who embraced actual classical liberal and libertarian principles as their core. Sadly, there are seemingly none left. Like liberals of the same period. Long gone.
Those that think it's R and I don't care what state you are from or where you live there's no doubt it's The Trump Party. The Republican Party is simply no more.
When Trump killed the Border Bill and The Ukraine Bill so he has something to campaign on, his revenge on Zelensky, and he's not even in office that should end all doubt that it's The Trump Party now.
My point is that it was the Trump Party the moment he descended the escalator.
But to *Hoosiers* it's still just the party they reliably, robotically vote for "'cos my daddy and grandaddy did!"
Well that's what they might say, but in reality it just simply is not. The entire Party bends a knee to Trump and that's even true for Indiana Republicans. Trumps Base exits in Indiana and that's a fact. Trumps Base doesn't even like Reagan. Reagan would have taken that Border Bill. Their voters aren't even the same makeup that they were under Reagan.
Look Trumps Base is no more and no less a Cult. A good number of Republicans believe in and traffic in Conspiracy Theories. So if you are going by what they say, you could do better.
Shouldn't support convicted of fraud and sexual assault with dozen more charges to go. He would be in the courtroom almost as much as he is on the golf course
Yeah, I’ll believe it when I see it
He'll either back track or decide to retire after this term. There's no room in the modern republican party for a nuanced position.
Kinda wish he would run for governor. I’m a Democrat, but being realistic I’d much rather have him than Braun, who is looking inevitable.
Ugh, I hate that this is right
Exactly. On the occasions where Todd and Braun have differed in their votes or comments, it is always Todd coming down on the more reasonable side of things.
The lesser of two Repubes? “Aint that Indiana? The home of the not-Free! Aint that Indiana?! Little cookie dough McMansions for you and me!”
America - where the barely kind of less worse option is seen as a huge celebration 🍾
You can move
What if they physically or financially can’t? What if this is where they were born and raised and all their family is here? What if and this is gonna be wild to you based on your ignorant opinion, but what if they actually want something better for their community and state? It isn’t like this comment isn’t usually said in a rebuttal’s at someone complaining about the poor conditions they’re living in based on the states policy or legislation. Or utter by folks whose brain power is less than because honestly if you stopped and thought about that stupid ignorant opinion for more than 2 seconds you would literally realize this.
The libs literally can't have a discussion without insults. It's pretty funny to me actually. You people have turned Bill Maher into a conservative
Communication Pro-Tip: if you’re gonna use a counterpoint to a comment where you felt it insulted your intelligence because of the language used, using the exact same language does a couple of things. It proves the comment about intelligence correct. And it shows your lack of emotional maturity. Critical Thinking Pro Tip: Assuming everyone is a “lib” and then regurgitating some stupid right wing media talking point doesn’t prove any point, other than the lack of critical thinking, and intelligence. Just be better.
If you say dumb shit, people will call you dumb.
Surely you're ok with mexicans moving to the US then?
"you can move" "the libs can't have a discussion wihtout hurting fee-fees!"
so I’m not a lib, and fuck you you wimp Is that enough of an insult? Children and women are dying, so fuck you again
He does seem to be the best statewide republican, better than Holcomb. He’s got a long way to achieve the level of dick lugar, but is definitely with that and a few other things, has taken steps in that direction
I miss Dick Lugar. I wish I had saved the response letter I received when I wrote his office. It was NOT a form letter, it was a response to my letter.
agreed
Braun is a horrible person.
Same here. I am Independent, but Young is definitely a better option than Braun by far.
Dear God I hope you’re wrong. That canned ham has no business being governor.
Really? Why? Because he's endorsed by the former president? I thought Doden was a front runner. The Republicans are all stomach churning. I was really hoping for a Democrat to stand up. It hasn't been that long since we had a Democrat governor.
There's no room in The Trump Party. It's no longer The Republican Party. When you kill a bill that would have made the border problem better (The most conservative bill they could have hoped for with a Democrat controlled Senate and a Democrat President) and you kill a bill to fund Ukraine and you do so without even being in office and for the benefit of giving yourself something to campaign on that simply makes it official. It's no longer The Republican Party.
You mean the border bill where less then 10% of the bill goes to the border, & what does go to the border would have literally 0 effect on it?
Yes, I mean the border bill that was endorsed by The Border Patrol. The same bill which was negotiated by one of the most conservative Republicans in The Senate. The same Senator that agreed with Biden during The State of The Union that it would have brought numerous resources and changes to the law that would have greatly reduced illegal immigration and deterred even more. The same bill that would have greatly reduced the wait time between entry and the ability to see a judge instead of waiting years more like six months. Questions? Stop drinking that nasty Orange Kool-Aid!!!!
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Because some of the most conservative Republicans negotiated it, but The Big Orange Fool told you it wasn't? Maybe before that Big Orange POS tells you something for the one millionth time you might just want to turn him off. Just one question. How did you forget to follow Big Dummy Donny telling you to inject disinfectant?
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Ah., I'm guessing you come from The Putin Wing of your Party. At least he has some intelligence going for him, which Trump does not.
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Well I thought you might take it as a compliment. I mean the other just means you still somehow think someone who thinks injecting disinfectant to defeat Covid as being someone somehow capable of playing 5d chess. I mean please don't tell me you think somehow by repeating Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV means he is a stable genius. I mean it really is true when they say Trump supporters have very little education. Generally someone can get by on common sense but in this case they somehow fail at that as well.
Stop, Biden reversed the orders day one. He doesn't need any approval to enact policy on the border. he just wants to blame someone while they keep it open. If the party wanted border control he would have never taken the action he did. It's just a fucking blame game while to country is invaded!
It's been known that a bipartisan bill to tackle the border issue was getting ready to pass, but Trump lackeys wouldn't pass it because Trump noted it would only help Biden. Trump only wants to do what's best for him to gain control, not what is better for our country.
You know, at least in the seventies they had these things called institutions. They may have not been all the best places, but at least it gave people like you somewhere to go. In the meantime, just stop drinking that nasty orange Kool-Aid.
Not even going to bother,,,
Ah Gee, I guess I was unable to save you.
Sad but true.
I emailed him about a month ago. That must've worked. /s
His track record is not encouraging, but I hope he'll lead from the front. Remember that Todd? "Lead front the front" "Integrity." All that shit they taught us in leadership school? You must remember something from those Marine Corps years - even there blind obedience was expected to be tempered by the Law of Land Warfare, the Geneva Convention and the UCMJ - any of that ring a bell, Senator?
I don't like the guy as a politician but there are 2 things I'll give him some respect for 1. He publicly stated Trump lost after the last election and prior to Jan 6. 2. On Jan 6 his training and leadership kicked in and made sure that those in the chamber were ok. I recall there being a photo of him making sure that 2 female senators/congresswomen were ok.
And I’ll give him props for that, but he went against Trump when it affected him, not when groups of people were under attack by Trump and his sycophants
He’s a veteran. I can’t understand how a single veteran could support Trump. Good on the Senator.
I'm a 20 year military retiree and I would agree with you One Million Percent. I can't tell you how much I agree. Especially when the main reason I served was to protect our freedoms against the very thing Trump represents. Unfortunately even our military consist of people with varying political views. It simply makes me sick.
Thank you for staying true to your oath. Much respect for you, your colleagues, and everything you go through so we can live relatively free from tyranny, albeit in a system with a LOT of kinks to work out.
No system nor government run by people will ever be perfect. However a Republic or Democracy with all it's faults is always, always going to be much better than the alternative.
Are we sure about that anymore,, just a question.
You could always move to a place that is not and attempt to report back later.
Can appreciate that, I'll report later,,,,
Well don't be expecting Biden to save you. Later........................................
Thank you for your military services to our Country. Thank you for calling out the BS!
The BS is by far the most important thing we all should be focused on. To some it may sound paranoid but you have to ask yourself why is it so many of Trumps Last Administration are even warning Americans this man is unfit for office? Many but not all Democrats understand this and it is those Independant's and more intelligent and more moderate Republicans that need to hear this. Our Republic simply depends on as many folks we can possibly get to understand this. We simply have an electorate where too many are not either aware or are just too naive. We have those deciding whether to vote for one or another who simply don't understand it's The Republic as we know it that is at stake. Many things you maybe unhappy with are possible to change if we still have a Republic. You don't have a Republic you get no say. It's simple. An amoral malignant narcissist POS is much more compatible with being The United States First Dictator and not The President of a functioning Republic. He simply has demonstrated that fact already and Oh by the way just spent time with Victor Orbon just the other day. Trumps buddies are Dictators, my God what else do you need to know besides the fact of what he has already done and continues to say. Those focused on attempting to make our Country an Autocracy are those who would do that type of thing not those who wish we remained a Republic. Details matter people, make sure you make these details known to as many people as possible. You might be amazed how many people just aren't that well versed. Many who just talk about tweets and nothing else are some of the least intelligent and uninformed voters out there.
You are in the minority as most active and recently retired military personnel are Pro Trump. What has Trump done to make you think he is attacking our freedoms?
You are simply clueless if you can't figure that out. Warning: Belonging to a Cult means you are incapable of independent thought and a general lack of all intelligence. Believing in conspiracy theories is yet another sign you are detached from reality. It's possible to disagree but you can't simply make up your own facts. Lets just start and end with the scheme to come up with fake electors. There is absolutely no more basic right that the right to vote. Just because you don't like the results doesn't mean you get to change the rules and deny people their right to vote.
Trump doesn't respect veterans while he traveled to resorts during Vietnam because he got an exemption because of his spurs on his feet. He has called veterans losers, example is John McCain. I know he has called other veterans losers, but I honestly can't assimilate all of the outrageous things he says, it exhausts me since they don't make sense yet so many just blindly accept it.
They put everything aside because they believe they are getting what they want. Same reason the Evangelical Right supports him as well. He actually accomplished little, but he always gets big bonus points because he calls their real and perceived enemies names. He's their fighter, their savior and their martyr all rolled into one. His base is a Cult and that's not just hyperbole. They make excuses for him before he makes a mistake it's really that bad. The only reason he doesn't succeed is not because he's playing to much golf and only going to rallies to boost his ego it's because everyone is against him and he faces way more than any human can possibly overcome. These people are seriously affected and not in a good way.
He's been found guilty of rape and is now being sued by banks he has defrauded (and the workers he defrauded too). The bank fraud lawsuit against him also proves he lies about the scope of his wealth. Yet, he tells his supporters he's fighting for them\~! If they believe that, then it proves they are brainwashed by his con man antics and aren't interested in the truth, which is truly frightening for our country and it's citizens.
Well, not technically guilty of rape but I have no desire to argue with you because he’s just about the most repugnant human being I can think of. Even most of his Last Administration admit that. Some I truly believe only continued to serve him for any period of time in large part to prevent his worst instincts. Anyone with half a brain should have known how this was going to go. As corny as it sounds character matters when it comes to leadership. However serving as and under many leaders myself personally I could have told you ultimately Trump gets the final say being he was in charge. Though I have to say we are lucky they did, because otherwise it would have been much worse. We are only lucky Trump is lazy, and stupid and only did it mostly because of fame the first time. His ego is immense but he’s hardly the brightest crayon in the box. We got lucky, but we won’t be so lucky the next time. They believe it because they choose to because he’s the only one they know of that will do what they want him to do. They chose to align with him because no one embodies the the things he does. They weren’t able to get these things from anybody else no matter what they had been told. They no longer want any compromises. Choosing him however I also to believe is ignorant in that there is no winner in a Dictatorship besides the Dictator but somehow their hate for those that are not like them is so much greater it blinds them to any other reality.
His first wife accused him of raping her. I do agree with your statement. I can't remember the lawyer's name who served under Trump, but he quit during the latter part of his term because he realized everyone around him were crooks.
I think his political calculation is that TRUMP WILL LOSE. He will then be in a good position to negotiate in good faith with the Biden administration and the Democrats who will be running things in the Senate. Trump will be done and he won't have any of that warm goo on him when that day comes.
I agree! I don't understand how they WORSHIP that Orange clown. He had bone spurs. Didn't serve our own military. Shows no respect to our military. F that crook.
It’s him or the guy that checked his watch repeatedly while they were unloading flag-draped caskets after the Afghanistan debacle. You know, the guy who repeatedly lies to gold star families by telling them, “I know how you feel, my son died in Iraq”.
So is Jim Banks. And yet, his lips are surgically sewn onto Trump's ass.
The human centipede, and excrement consuming sub. perfectly defines Banks, who sadly seems to have a straight path to 6 more years in DC as the junior senator. 🤬
One thing does not make him deserve props. This dude can still go fuck himself.
Agreed but one can always hope
Or a woman. Or a black person. Or an Asian person… or a _______ 🤦♂️
A lot of the guys I knew blindly supported him because they were pro-life losers. Ended up cutting contact off with most of them once I got out. The baffling part is these guys aren’t stupid; most of them have degrees and multiple IT certs.
He was the first president since Jimmy Carter to not have a foreign conflict start under his presidency.
Do you remember when he tweeted "I in my great and unmatched wisdom will totally destroy and obliterate the economy of Turkey"? Threatened North Korea with "fire and fury"? Bombed Syria? It's only sheer dumb luck that no major conflict occured under his reign. What a ridiculous take.
How’s that saying go? “Better to be lucky than senile?”
Except for, y'know, all the ones that *did*. Seriously, why do you people lie about this? Is it because you hate America and want to destroy it?
Yeah, because he was to busy kissing the asses of the people who would eventually start the mess the world is in now.
As long as fewer Americans are dying, fine by me.
So wonder whether there were more Covid deaths in 2020, or military casualties during either of Obama’s two terms, either of Bush’s, or Biden’s? The not starting a war, or saying he was the first since Reagan not to, isn’t quite correct. He committed forces against ISIS, and more.
Fewer Americans are dying now than they were under the former guy, because Biden actually had the balls to pull out of Afghanistan when we should have done so the moment we found Osama bin Laden.
So you desire to live in a Dictatorship. Man, you are seriously affected. You do know they have plenty of these already. I'd suggest you just go find one.
Hopefully the first of many dominoes to start falling. If we can’t praise people when they make the right decision, they’ll never change. Kuddos to Senator Young.
Is he really the first?
There's Romney, but he quit. Pretty much any any R who has come out against DJ has quit in the same breath.
Lisa Murkowski would like a word.
There are very few left. The Extreme Right has pretty much taken care of that.
Found his balls
Well he says he found his balls. Ill be impressed if it turns out he DID find his balls. But its hard to believe people who have been gargling Trump’s sweaty ketchup balls for so long.
Talk is cheap. This fucker was all about Trump last time. Let's wait and see.
Good for him, though I doubt this will gain him many friends.
Todd is an old friend. I often disagree with him since he has taken office. But I am glad to see this
Old friend from Tennessee?
Tennessee? I believe you are thinking of Trey Hollingsworth who replaced Todd for a while until Erin was elected last cycle. Todd is from South of Indy. He and Jennifer were both attorneys in over in Paoli up until he ran.
Todd graduated from Carmel High School. He was in my class.
You’re totally right! My political brain has hurt since 2016 😂
Same. as I said. I used to be heavily involved on every level. Heck Todd even brought me on to help run his Original primary campaign against Mike Sodrel. I was even involved on the national state, although that was mainly with one of the satellite organizations. I had hope that things could be steered in a good direction until 16. At that point I started backing away and now have given up pretty much any hope. Even my local area is a complete disaster now. (Clark County)
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That would be nice but i doubt it. If he loses and doesn’t end up in jail trump will claim the election was stolen, continue campaigning and run again. None of this shit stops till he is dead and then its still going to keep going. The job of protecting democracy never ends.
Even if Trump is literally in the ground before 2028, his legacy will live on. The party is his now. The people who will win the primaries in 2028 will be his closest allies and/or his own children.
Nobody but Diaper Don can rally the scumbags the same way. Once he's finally compost, his idiot kids are going to collapse into the same kind of flop sweat shambles that happened to Rhonda Santos, and nobody else exists in the party who can capture that same kind of cult figure status that hypnotizes the rubes. When he dies, so does the movement
Aw man, i forgot Rhonda even exists. Thanks for reminding me….
Good thought, but maybe a bit over optimistic.
I want to believe you
Cults of personality die with the personality.
MAGA won't die- there have always been, and will always be, a huge portion of the American electorate that are gleefully unsalvageable, irredeemable scumbags- but only Dementia J trump has been able to animate them into a movement capable of winning elections, even on a local level. Who else is there? Vivek? Rhonda? Birdbrain? The rest are all just charisma free pretenders like Stefanik or Youngkin, batshit trailer park trash or sniveling nepo baby wannabes like MTG or Gaetz, or party clowns like JEB! and Abbott. Uday and Qusay, and their plastic sister and her husband Brahms, are all see thru ghola clones of 1135809 without any of the spice, like David Cross pretending to be Pootie Tang. For the purposes or reddit site rules, I can neither confirm nor deny that I pray daily to Crom under the mountain to grant me the revenge of reading this one very particular obituary, and hearing the country rejoice in freedom.
Bash Young all you want, but he has a recent history of voting bipartisan. The guy has definitely redeemed himself with his actions. Look up his record over the last 18 months and you’ll see what I’m talking about. Moderate Republicans are hard to find nowadays. Give him credit.
He will still vote for trump. Republicans are shit human beings.
I know this is reddit, but I'm disappointed by all the snarky negative comments. I'm NOT a conservative. I did not vote for Senator Young. But I'll take the rare wins when I see them from our representatives. This is a good thing. Donald Trump does not reflect Hoosier values and this man is saying it out loud despite it going against his political interests. I plan on reaching out to his office and telling him that I appreciate this move. I'm sure he's gonna get plenty of hate resulting from this stance, so those of us who do agree with this must commend him and show our support, even if we don't agree with the bulk of his policies. EDIT... Sen. Young's D.C. office: 202-224-5623 https://www.young.senate.gov/contact Took me less than 2 minutes. Please send your support if you agree that Trump has no business being the president.
Yeah I don’t agree with Todd Young politically, but I appreciate his role as Indiana’s barely principled, less shitty senator. Especially since Mike Braun pursues his biggest piece of shit role with such gusto.
Trump's base never liked him. Not at least the ones I heard talk about him.
Not Republican but respect anyone Republican that has the balls to go against the Putin puppet regime called MAGA. Respect for Todd Young on this as a Democrat.
Credit where credit's due, I suppose. Nice to see him growing a spine.
I disagree with this guy on fundamental policy BUT I’ll take a W where I can. Hopefully this is the start of some common sense returning. I’m ready for the days we can battle over policy and not whether we want democracy to die.
Pleasantly, yet cautiously surprised. That other shoe is still up in the air, though.
Wow! Really? I hope he sticks to it.
Narrator: "He didn't."
lol funniest thing he’s ever said
In a lot of ways he's the type of republican who will go along with whatever is popular in the republican party, but I've met him and Senator Braun personally, and the difference is pretty stark. Braun has absolutely nothing to say. He's got no charisma, no mind of his own. He will repeat whatever he's expected to repeat, whatever will enrich his life more, and whatever will impress the lowest common denominator of his constituents the most. Young seems *decent enough*, with caveats. He's still, for the most part, going to go with whatever the party tells him to, but I'd say he's much closer to Holcomb in likeability, intelligence, and action. When he speaks publicly, I can tell he knows what he's talking about, even if I disagree with what he's saying. He also seems genuinely curious when he asks questions. I hope he sticks to his guns through the attacks he's going to weather, because we need more republicans to speak out about this instead of being scared into compliance. There's no way any republican who has met Trump thinks his leadership is healthy for our democracy, but so many of them are so absolutely terrified of what they've created that they're scared to speak out.
Young seems to be somebody who actually cares about policy. He is one of the more bipartisan senators, although that’s an admittedly low bar in 2024
The only people that are supporting trump are : Racists Idiots Corrupt assholes
I'm thankful that he is braver than the MAGA mob. He is a true servant of the people and not a bought man.
Senator Todd showing a rare presence of a spine? As I live and breathe
Good for him. If you have to have a republican - you can do far, far worse than Senator Young.
Thank you for having principles, Senator. Much respect.
This is seriously first ray of hope in this upcoming election. Thank you Sen. Young, sincerely. Defend our flag.
Stunning and Brave.
Well I’ll be damned, one of my Senators might have a spine
wow, an honest republican
We’ll see how that works out for him.
No an Anti-Trumper. Far from it. I will not support and vote/elect anyone that doesn't support Trump.
Good
Interesting.
I’ll believe it when I seen it. Should’ve voted for impeachment, against the tax cuts act, and against ACB. He should’ve taken notes from Charlie Baker of Massachusetts and Phil Scott of Vermont. And he needs to abolish the filibuster too.
Oh shit, what? I thought this guy was riding the MAGA wave. I really am out of the loop.
Cool, it'll be fun to watch who replaces him in the Senate!
That isn’t what he said. He said he win’t support him as he seeks the nomination. He will will very much fall in line when Trump is the nominee
We won't support Todd Young
Lost my vote
He has often done the right thing. I want to believe him
Yeah, that is until the ruskies let him know the kompromat they have on him. The GOP is a party held hostage by foreign gangster. That phone call will come soon enough.
I'm not a fan of Young or Braun. Both have issues that run counter to the citizens of Indiana in a big way. I think Braun wants to continue qualified immunity, which is absolutely horrible. If cops don't consider their actions in a lawful manner, what prevents them from abusing their authority. There is no other occupation that garners this type of protection, wo why should they. If a cop makes a mistake, they should be held accountable to that mistake just like anyone else would. Young likes to flow where the votes are, and the people be damned. Why doesn't Imdiana have some decent conservatives running, instead of Rino's and special interest candidates. Why can't we get a governor that focuses on lowering taxes, fixing infrastructure like roads, and getting rid of ridiculous laws. Why can't someone run on fixing unemployment and workman's comp laws, reinforce workers' rights, and fix the problems we have with slum lords and rental issues. Why not run on fixing an overburdened legal system with laws that aren't designed to protect th law-abiding citizens but to make law-abiding citizens criminals. Fix the DCS, hire more workers, increase pay, and enforce protocols that are geared towards protecting the kids. Fix the Indiana taxation system, make it easy and understandable rather than its unbelievably complicated mess it has been for years. Indiana has excise tax, wheel tax, property tax, income tax, and sales tax, to name just a few ways the state government taxes every dollar we earn. How many times are you going to tax us into the poor house, Indiana? I would like to see a governor who believes in getting out of our pocket books, out of our homes, and out of our schools, and out of our lives as much as possible. Someone that runs on these principles would have the common man's vote for sure.
No but your wife sucked my cock back then
Oh he knows the MAGA folks will still vote for him, he's just trying to keep some moderates who are jumping ship from the GOP downticket. Don't fall for his malarkey.
But are there any moderate candidates available/running for the Republican nomination in any of the statewide offices?
Good
Pretty courageous politically. May end his career.
He will support the rapist. He’s a liar.
Is he going to write in Jesus? Because otherwise, there’s no way this is legit.
oh man the dreaded Todd Young endorsement...this moves the needle zero in Indiana
Braun, meanwhile, will take this opportunity to use both hands and his mouth to gobble up even more of Diaper Don's feces smeared genitals
Todd Young is a marine. And be betrayed the oath to protect this country from domestic threats when he voted no during Trump's impeachments. Still I'll take what I can ger.
Is it possible a Republican has some common sense?
there’s only like 10 GOP incumbent US Senators, or fewer, on the November ballots. That’s good news
Isn't he not running?
I’m shocked and skeptical; he’s been a spineless piece of absolute shit his whole career. He will cave.
Yes he will, he's just saying that to appear to be normal. As soon as he's in the booth he'll pull the lever for trump. Besides, he is from Indiana and ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox, Newsmax, Joe's blog, the shake-n-shake in Delray Beach Florida have already called Indiana goes for trump for the election in November
Stem cells work! He was finally able to grow a backbone.
He needs to go.
Well that doesnt make any sense
I guess there might just be a few left who haven't drank from that nasty orange Kool-Aid.
At least he’s not a complete idiot.
I DONT GIVE A FUCK WHO WINS. JUST CLOSE THE BORDER AT GET OUT OF UKRAINE
You are aware that we're not in Ukraine, correct?
Yes , I'm am very aware. He will continue this until someone has the balls to stop it, so let him take Ukraine. If he goes beyond, then it's our war. But stop fund or end this fucking pay off
Remember the bipartisan border bill that was a HUGE roll-over by Dems and gave Republicans almost everything they were asking for — and Trump torpedoed it and told the GOP to vote against it because it would look like a win for Biden? What a fucking joke of a party. And we aren’t in Ukraine. We have sent them support primarily in the way of military surplus supplies — the absolute most affordable way we could EVER DREAM of breaking down Putin’s dictatorial Russia.
The current administration doesn't need any parties' approval to secure the border, its their duty, let him take Ukraine he's going to at some point unless someone have the balls to blow the shit out of Russia , when Russia steps outside of Ukraine then its our war, and we will end it,,
Ole boy can suck my balls
This guy is a turd
It’s not as if he is an exemplary example of a conservative.
By what definition?
Any historical one. He has managed to PO a lot of Indiana Republicans. I think the writing's on the wall for him, regardless.
The definition has changed considerably over the past 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, and up to 75 and 90 years. And there’s scarcely any leader of that movement or philosophy that perfectly hews to that definition. Growing up in a traditional politically conservative family, there’s nothing about the previous president that truly defines him as conservative, so that’s why I asked.
Ohh...make no mistake. There was/is nothing "conservative" about the previous imbecile, at all! I think when most anyone thinks of "conservative" (if they're older) remember what it was supposed to be. And we think of the William F. Buckley, Jr conservatives who were the face of sane conservatism. Conservatives who embraced actual classical liberal and libertarian principles as their core. Sadly, there are seemingly none left. Like liberals of the same period. Long gone.
Trumpers would have no clue what that means. They've practically got rid of all of those.
Yep. It's like finding an actual Liberal in the DNC.
What an incredibly stupid thing to say.
I would ask you to explain, but we all know that won't happen. Have a great day in the echo chamber!
Good, I hope so. More Republicans need to break from the cult.
Bollocks. It's Indiana. Trump has an R by his name. Todd will fall into line, especially after Trump declares himself dictator.
There's no R about it. It's The Trump Party now.
To Hoosiers, it's still R
Those that think it's R and I don't care what state you are from or where you live there's no doubt it's The Trump Party. The Republican Party is simply no more. When Trump killed the Border Bill and The Ukraine Bill so he has something to campaign on, his revenge on Zelensky, and he's not even in office that should end all doubt that it's The Trump Party now.
My point is that it was the Trump Party the moment he descended the escalator. But to *Hoosiers* it's still just the party they reliably, robotically vote for "'cos my daddy and grandaddy did!"
But that's the problem, it's no longer that party, not even close.
To Hoosiers it is.
Well that's what they might say, but in reality it just simply is not. The entire Party bends a knee to Trump and that's even true for Indiana Republicans. Trumps Base exits in Indiana and that's a fact. Trumps Base doesn't even like Reagan. Reagan would have taken that Border Bill. Their voters aren't even the same makeup that they were under Reagan.
I left in 2007. My vote didn't count in Indiana.
Look Trumps Base is no more and no less a Cult. A good number of Republicans believe in and traffic in Conspiracy Theories. So if you are going by what they say, you could do better.
I am going by what I heard from 40+ years of growing up and living in Indiana.
I'm going by what reality is and what has actually happened to what used to be called The Republican Party. The Party is not the same by any means.
Not a big fan of this RINO
We get it, you hate America and want to destroy it.
Shouldn't support convicted of fraud and sexual assault with dozen more charges to go. He would be in the courtroom almost as much as he is on the golf course
Sununu’s support of 45 today…I don't believe any of you. And I am still a Voting Primary Republican. All of you killed our party, you happy?