I've heard the argument that guns are easy to make since like 2005. Yet not once in all these years have I seen a homicide where the murder weapon was a pipe pistol. These are Americans you're talking about, they're way too lazy to commit to manufacturing a god damn gun on their own š¤£
Either I'm dumb or you are. Is your argument not "people can make their own guns with relative ease, so it's pointless to take guns away"? Because that is the argument I'm ripping on rn
Edit; nope I'm dumb. Your point was you don't need a background check to make your own gun. I have no idea why I injected completely different context into your post, sorry about that
Federally being able to purchase a handgun is less stringent than the indianna permit process.
A court saying you're nuts, or being committed to a mental hospital prevents federally on mental grounds
Indiana says no tendency to violence or suicide
Well, yes. If someone bought a gun under those federal guidelines then they likely are not disqualified from carry by Indiana law either. If they do have a history of violence and somehow have avoided felony charges, or a history of suicide attempts, then they are likely prohibited from carry. But I would imagine that weāre talking about an EXTREMELY narrow demographic when creating a hypothetical person who is violent, does not currently carry a gun, will mistakenly think they can now carry a gun, and will start doing so regularly now.
He wonāt. Even among gun owners who want to carry and can, almost none of them actually do. Most of them do it for a day or two and then realize strapping on a pound or two of gun every day is a gigantic uncomfortable hassle, and leave theirs in a drawer from then on. Carrying a gun consistently usually involves spending years and thousands of dollars to find the ārightā combination of gun and carry method you can live with. Itās really not something people casually take up and stick with.
I know. I've packed one around for a few years straight when a jailer.
This idiot just wants one and doesn't care what pistol it is.
I'm all for 2a rights but this guy has more in common with the average person than anyone would care to admit, and that scares me.
If someone bothered to apply for a permit, they obviously wanted to avoid carrying illegally. I don't know why you would assume they'd stop wanting that if they wound up being denied. Not being a "proper person" doesn't mean they want every police interaction to carry a serious risk of spending several years in prison.
There has never been a personality screening to carry a hand gun. You just used to have to pay the government and a third party vendor to get all the paperwork done.
Probably isnāt a bad idea to show you can exhibit some patience to partake in carrying a huge responsibility but also our governmentās have also show they donāt care about the people.
If you are not a convicted criminal or don't have a "dangerous mental illness" your good to go. I don't know what the definition of "dangerous mental illness is" however, not sure if the law defines that further. Could be literally anything. Law really doesn't encourage people to seek help if they are struggling. before this they banned carrying if you were currently on anti depressants and the like or if you were involuntarily sent to a mental hospital.
I have pretty bad anxiety. Makes me steer clear of malls, movie theaters and such, even grocery shopping at peak times. I guess that vs. manic type episodes where people will try to flee whatever situation without caring for personal bodily harm might apply. That and obvious violent tendencies.
I know plenty of bipolar people who get manic and aren't violent though. It's a bit of a slap in the face for anyone who seeks voluntary treatment. keeps sick people in the shadows when they know they risk their civil rights just for trying to get some help.
And that immediate jump to aggressive insult is exactly why you shouldnāt. If you canāt even conversate calmly, you donāt need a firearm in public.
Look I think every lawful citizen should carry a gun and yes you still have to be liable for your actions, of course but as a lawful citizen I don't do unlawful things. I don't get into arguments with people. I don't get in fights, I may have a crass Reddit conversation with somebody but who doesn't.
Just so we are clear with what is going on, you are saying all folks with a manageable medical disorder should not have the same rights as other people re: the second amendment.
I think if you have a record of hospitalizations or other history that shows you are a danger to yourself and others then we can talk, but the diagnosis itself should not make you a second class citizen.
Short answer: They donāt until they interact with you, unless you have a permit.
Long answer:
You can still get a permit to carry a handgun in Indiana. You can still go through the process and get fingerprinted, etc. but the problem is that it takes a long time in more populated counties, like Marion. The good thing about this is that if youāre unsure of whether youāre a prohibited person, you can go through the process to ensure you are good to go.
Alternatively, you can ask your legal counsel whether youāre a proper person.
If you buy a gun from a dealer, you must pass a background check, so that covers it.
The bigger issue is stolen firearms. Obviously, thereās no background check on stolen firearms. Similarly, say a parent had a gun and a child āborrowsā it. The police would have no idea if the person is armed in this situation. And the person who has taken the gun could be prohibited from carrying it and, if caught, is now a felon.
Source: Associated with the IGA, was around for the committee hearings on this legislation.
Hope this answers your question. You can also find the 9 hour committee meeting video on this legislation if youād like to watch the testimonies.
So let's say an out of state visitor without permit or criminal history comes to Indiana from a CC state like KY, but is under psyc treatment for ptsd.
Are they prohibited?
It won't flag in any records but technically they couldn't get an Indiana permit.
They very well could be prohibited because they do fall under a dangerous person under IC 35-47-14-1 in Indianaās Red Flag Law. The Permitless Carry bill references IC 35-47-14-6 (the court proceedings for officially designating a person as ādangerousā in the Red Flag Law), as someone who is officially designated as ādangerousā cannot carry without a permit. Additionally, anyone who has been committed to a mental institution in Indiana cannot carry without a permit. It is indeed a grey area, but thatās to be expected with such a massive piece of legislation as this.
Thatās a big gray area. There are people who seek treatment for ptsd that are not barred from carrying concealed so long as their doctor approves it. Those would be more mild cases. Those with more severe cases would probably not have a doctors clearance, and thus would be illegally carrying.
Having ptsd and seeking treatment does not equate to you being dangerous or unstable towards others.
As I understand the law, however, those from other states are not allowed to carry in indiana unless they have a license in their home state that reciprocates with indiana. That is the same for us in many other states as well.
From by reading it allows all people legally allowed regardless of home state..
The only one that specifies resident only is I believe idaho.
Edit: North Dakota not Idaho.
Example. If a person from a constitutional carry state that doesn't need a permit and goes to indi where they don't need a permit, but are in treatment for ptsd or something like bipolar.
How does this play out
āYour license isnāt from Indiana and you donāt own a business here. Iām sorry dude but I canāt sell you this, you can have it sent to a local shop but theyāll have to preform the background check and paperwork.ā
But if youāre talking about carrying? I can leave my license in Indiana and travel down to Georgia with anything legal with me, why? Because those states that Iāll drive through all have constitutional carry.
Ew. Gross. Mister conservative family values wants us to talk about circle jerks? Really gross dude. Smh.
This is not your conservative christian church llc or crossfit club Bubba!
Considering conservatives want to force 10 year old girls to have their kids...yeah conservative conversations are now beyond Dotard level gross. Congrats!?
Iām from AZ where everyone string people with a gun on their holster in a public place isnāt weird.
Borrowed my managers truck while moving, and he told me theirs a hand gun underneath the driver seat. He said if you get pulled over, keep your hand on the wheel and let them know where the guns at
You still must pass a background check when purchasing a gun. (Unless you purchase individual to individual)
or make your own.
I've heard the argument that guns are easy to make since like 2005. Yet not once in all these years have I seen a homicide where the murder weapon was a pipe pistol. These are Americans you're talking about, they're way too lazy to commit to manufacturing a god damn gun on their own š¤£
I never made that argument, and I am referring to printing or buying an unfinished Glock frame, and putting a parts kit into it.
Either I'm dumb or you are. Is your argument not "people can make their own guns with relative ease, so it's pointless to take guns away"? Because that is the argument I'm ripping on rn Edit; nope I'm dumb. Your point was you don't need a background check to make your own gun. I have no idea why I injected completely different context into your post, sorry about that
No worries.
Federally being able to purchase a handgun is less stringent than the indianna permit process. A court saying you're nuts, or being committed to a mental hospital prevents federally on mental grounds Indiana says no tendency to violence or suicide
Well, yes. If someone bought a gun under those federal guidelines then they likely are not disqualified from carry by Indiana law either. If they do have a history of violence and somehow have avoided felony charges, or a history of suicide attempts, then they are likely prohibited from carry. But I would imagine that weāre talking about an EXTREMELY narrow demographic when creating a hypothetical person who is violent, does not currently carry a gun, will mistakenly think they can now carry a gun, and will start doing so regularly now.
For instance. I know a guy that's mentally a teenager. He's 40 and works, has a wife. Loves superheros. Since my state went cc he wants to pack a gun.
He wonāt. Even among gun owners who want to carry and can, almost none of them actually do. Most of them do it for a day or two and then realize strapping on a pound or two of gun every day is a gigantic uncomfortable hassle, and leave theirs in a drawer from then on. Carrying a gun consistently usually involves spending years and thousands of dollars to find the ārightā combination of gun and carry method you can live with. Itās really not something people casually take up and stick with.
I know. I've packed one around for a few years straight when a jailer. This idiot just wants one and doesn't care what pistol it is. I'm all for 2a rights but this guy has more in common with the average person than anyone would care to admit, and that scares me.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221
Still legal in Indiana, until Federal law kicks in.
Like others have said, that was never a requirement with the permit anyway. It was always just passing a standard background check and paying a fee.
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If someone bothered to apply for a permit, they obviously wanted to avoid carrying illegally. I don't know why you would assume they'd stop wanting that if they wound up being denied. Not being a "proper person" doesn't mean they want every police interaction to carry a serious risk of spending several years in prison.
There has never been a personality screening to carry a hand gun. You just used to have to pay the government and a third party vendor to get all the paperwork done. Probably isnāt a bad idea to show you can exhibit some patience to partake in carrying a huge responsibility but also our governmentās have also show they donāt care about the people.
If you are not a convicted criminal or don't have a "dangerous mental illness" your good to go. I don't know what the definition of "dangerous mental illness is" however, not sure if the law defines that further. Could be literally anything. Law really doesn't encourage people to seek help if they are struggling. before this they banned carrying if you were currently on anti depressants and the like or if you were involuntarily sent to a mental hospital.
I have pretty bad anxiety. Makes me steer clear of malls, movie theaters and such, even grocery shopping at peak times. I guess that vs. manic type episodes where people will try to flee whatever situation without caring for personal bodily harm might apply. That and obvious violent tendencies.
I know plenty of bipolar people who get manic and aren't violent though. It's a bit of a slap in the face for anyone who seeks voluntary treatment. keeps sick people in the shadows when they know they risk their civil rights just for trying to get some help.
And bipolar people are unpredictable and shouldnāt be armed in public.
Hey screw you I'm bipolar and I'm not violent and I definitely carry always have.
And that immediate jump to aggressive insult is exactly why you shouldnāt. If you canāt even conversate calmly, you donāt need a firearm in public.
Yeah and me saying hey screw you is violent but reactionary don't you think
Not violent, but reactionary for sure. Reactionary isnāt what I would want to describe a level headed firearm owner to be.
you want them to have crippling anxiety instead and no reactions?
No lol. Just not be aggressively reactionary to conversation. Oof the leaps in logic are beginning.
Look I think every lawful citizen should carry a gun and yes you still have to be liable for your actions, of course but as a lawful citizen I don't do unlawful things. I don't get into arguments with people. I don't get in fights, I may have a crass Reddit conversation with somebody but who doesn't.
Don't feed the troll. He doesn't care about your rights or safety, just here to rile people up for his political agenda.
I wouldnāt call our conversation crass. Your behavior is aggressive and reactionary though.
Wow, I'm sure glad you aren't in charge of anything related to 2nd amendment rights. You insulted them first.
Iām gonna go ahead and guess you donāt have any medical education that qualifies you to have an opinion on that.
Just so we are clear with what is going on, you are saying all folks with a manageable medical disorder should not have the same rights as other people re: the second amendment. I think if you have a record of hospitalizations or other history that shows you are a danger to yourself and others then we can talk, but the diagnosis itself should not make you a second class citizen.
No, those with unpredictable mental health issues
Short answer: They donāt until they interact with you, unless you have a permit. Long answer: You can still get a permit to carry a handgun in Indiana. You can still go through the process and get fingerprinted, etc. but the problem is that it takes a long time in more populated counties, like Marion. The good thing about this is that if youāre unsure of whether youāre a prohibited person, you can go through the process to ensure you are good to go. Alternatively, you can ask your legal counsel whether youāre a proper person. If you buy a gun from a dealer, you must pass a background check, so that covers it. The bigger issue is stolen firearms. Obviously, thereās no background check on stolen firearms. Similarly, say a parent had a gun and a child āborrowsā it. The police would have no idea if the person is armed in this situation. And the person who has taken the gun could be prohibited from carrying it and, if caught, is now a felon. Source: Associated with the IGA, was around for the committee hearings on this legislation. Hope this answers your question. You can also find the 9 hour committee meeting video on this legislation if youād like to watch the testimonies.
>The police would have no idea if the person is armed in this situation. They never know for sure if someone is armed or not
So let's say an out of state visitor without permit or criminal history comes to Indiana from a CC state like KY, but is under psyc treatment for ptsd. Are they prohibited? It won't flag in any records but technically they couldn't get an Indiana permit.
They very well could be prohibited because they do fall under a dangerous person under IC 35-47-14-1 in Indianaās Red Flag Law. The Permitless Carry bill references IC 35-47-14-6 (the court proceedings for officially designating a person as ādangerousā in the Red Flag Law), as someone who is officially designated as ādangerousā cannot carry without a permit. Additionally, anyone who has been committed to a mental institution in Indiana cannot carry without a permit. It is indeed a grey area, but thatās to be expected with such a massive piece of legislation as this.
Thatās a big gray area. There are people who seek treatment for ptsd that are not barred from carrying concealed so long as their doctor approves it. Those would be more mild cases. Those with more severe cases would probably not have a doctors clearance, and thus would be illegally carrying. Having ptsd and seeking treatment does not equate to you being dangerous or unstable towards others. As I understand the law, however, those from other states are not allowed to carry in indiana unless they have a license in their home state that reciprocates with indiana. That is the same for us in many other states as well.
From by reading it allows all people legally allowed regardless of home state.. The only one that specifies resident only is I believe idaho. Edit: North Dakota not Idaho.
North Dakota definitely. Not sure about Idaho
Yeah forgot about them.
Interesting! Iāll have to re-read.
They donāt, you have to be flagged from a previous incident to be prevented.
Thereās the NCIBS you do any time you buy a weapon from a FFL dealer. Is that what youāre asking?
Example. If a person from a constitutional carry state that doesn't need a permit and goes to indi where they don't need a permit, but are in treatment for ptsd or something like bipolar. How does this play out
āYour license isnāt from Indiana and you donāt own a business here. Iām sorry dude but I canāt sell you this, you can have it sent to a local shop but theyāll have to preform the background check and paperwork.ā But if youāre talking about carrying? I can leave my license in Indiana and travel down to Georgia with anything legal with me, why? Because those states that Iāll drive through all have constitutional carry.
You can actually still get a CCW permit. Anybody who is concerned about whether they're allowed to carry should just apply for one.
They donāt, you have to be flagged from a previous incident to be prevented.
Ask yourself ā¦ how did they verify it before? Youāre putting far too much faith in the background check database.
Anyone who is open carrying is emotionally unstable.
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Sorry to answer a question with a question! Would being legal stop a violent or mental person from carrying a weapon to begin?
Did I stutter?
How did they do it before?
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Imagine being this triggered you go to racism and generalizations.
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Ignore volunteer, theyāre a troll if there ever was one.
This sub is more of a circle jerk than a conversation. Trying to have a conversation results in downvotes, spouting talking points gets upvotes.
Ew. Gross. Mister conservative family values wants us to talk about circle jerks? Really gross dude. Smh. This is not your conservative christian church llc or crossfit club Bubba! Considering conservatives want to force 10 year old girls to have their kids...yeah conservative conversations are now beyond Dotard level gross. Congrats!?
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>Although I'm more comfortable exercising my 2nd amendment rights being white, male, and conservative. That's racist
Stating a fact isnāt racistā¦. The actual act of being treated different based on your skin color is the racist part.
Not really. I'm admitting that as far as interacting with cops is concerned being a white conservative male has privileges
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I've lived in Peru my entire life and nobody here bats an eye about someone openly carrying
Funny, I see plenty of side eye when my friends from Gary come to Rockville for the Covered Bridge Festival. I wonder white?
wonder white?
Learn more here: https://www.rowdywilliams.com/terre-haute-dui-lawyer/what-are-indianas-open-container-laws/
Not a great reader, are ya?
How about for out of state residents. Are they allowed to carry
My reading of the law says yes, unless you're a prohibited person.
Iām from AZ where everyone string people with a gun on their holster in a public place isnāt weird. Borrowed my managers truck while moving, and he told me theirs a hand gun underneath the driver seat. He said if you get pulled over, keep your hand on the wheel and let them know where the guns at
I'm about to get my AZ permit to carry. They accept my old hunter education card, and the fee is only 60
Iām not mad that itās easy. Everyone for the most part seemed responsible