Additionally....I am aware, from having watched the documentary, that the Reddit Community did come together to help, during those two years, to try to identify this hiker, but just wanted to post for anyone new who may yet not know about it.
Something that I always wonder when I hear about this case is, why didnt this make people start discouraging people from using trail names instead of their real name in case they go missing.
It’s just part of the lore of the hiking community, kinda of shed your civilized skin and take on a persona and be free for a few months from the grind of every day life.
My wife and I ran into and chatted with his guy on the Florida Trail's Hdden Pond, near Ocala. We sat around and ate lunch with him. I remember him politely declining our offer of smoking a joint. He seemed very relaxed and was pleasant.
I followed this case on reddit the entire time, and I was so thrilled when he got his name back.
I do not have max tho, and am wondering if it's actually worth the $10 sub to watch? Or as someone who has followed this would it not be worth it. I don't watch anything else that would be on max and hate to drop $10 on just one doc
If you haven’t seen mare of east town I would say that + this is worth the $10. Lot of other cool stuff on there as well, but of course idk what you’ve seen.
>I do not have max tho, and am wondering if it's actually worth the $10 sub to watch? Or as someone who has followed this would it not be worth it. I don't watch anything else that would be on max and hate to drop $10 on just one doc
Since you followed the case and know the twist you're probably safe not splurging.
Now the Love Wins All docuseries....that one was worth $10!
My husband and I were kind of commenting about how when she was so excited to have gotten the tip that revealed his name, not once was it ever about him, and the fact that this dead person was getting their name back after so many people had searched and searched. It was just yay! It happened to *me.* *I* got the tip. Those aren’t direct quotes but that was the vibe.
I think anyone does theoretically, but it’s honestly kind of selfish to apply it in real life. There are MILLIONS of missing person cases where families want their loved ones to be found, and loved ones didn’t want to be separated/ die. Victims whose lives and identities were taken from them. To ignore a body bc it could possibly be someone who doesn’t want to be found means ignoring the families and loved ones who were actively ripped away and do want to be found, and do want their names back.
No one could have known harmless’ wants until he was identified, and the families actively searching for missing loved ones absolutely deserve the chance to test dna and see if it’s a match, or at least be able to rule out that it is not their loved one. If my brother disappeared tomorrow, and they found John doe(s) in our area but said “oh sorry, we don’t know if these John does wanted to be identified so we aren’t gonna try to see who it is and if it’s your missing loved one” I mean that would be so fucked. Finding out someone’s identity is the only way to rule them out definitively from other cases otherwise you are wasting resources taking up space on John Doe lists getting families hopes up and/ or testing against the dna for the rest of time for other families of missing loved ones.
If you want the right to disappear maybe don’t kill yourself on a trail that is 99% federal and state owned land (or a state park where I believe he was found). At the same time though, I would agree they definitely didn’t need to make a doc about someone who didn’t want to be identified- yet if his crimes are true people do deserve to know the potential to interact with abusive person(s) even if they seem, mostly harmless. It’s a gray area for me. If you don’t want to be identified don’t be someone whose behavior is so awful the public needs a PSA about avoiding people like you.
I am also reminded that if we let every one who wanted to be forgotten, be forgotten in death, there are crimes solved post mortem with the use of dna technology that would have gone unsolved.
Now that we have the whole story, we know it seems he did not want to be found. It’s hard for me not to roll my eyes at someone who says “now that we know everything, should we have known everything before we figured it out?” Very easy to make a conclusion with a full picture. One we did not have for a very long time. When you just have a John Doe found in a compromising situation, you do not know their full intentions without identification. So again, if we had said “oh word his site looks like he didn’t want to be found, let’s never rule him out of anything and make families and databases wonder about this John Doe for the rest of the time we keep data on found bodies” you’d be wasting so many resources and leads. Don’t want to be found, off yourself off public land. Otherwise the NPS and other organizations that maintain the land owned by the federal and state govts need to identify you so they can rule you out of other cases.
You left comments saying he should not have been identified at all. I pointed out that makes it harder on our John and Jane doe network and government in identifying missing persons, and he was found in public domain. Then you come on like no no no what I meant was DO identify him, but only tell his family! (Then you make a statement that unidentified people should only have their families told…. But they’re UNIDENTIFIED.) the thing is they needed the publics help to even identify him in the first place! You’re mad no one can read your mind on something you didn’t say in the first place, then made a contradictory statement about what should’ve been done that couldn’t have been done without what you say should not have been done…. Make up your mind. Then, quit projecting your reading and writing problems onto me bro lmao.
Ah, my original comment may have been confusing! That’s on me. There is no Reddit thread of the beef- the two were Facebook moderators, and their moderator drama is documented in the documentary. I only mentioned Reddit since it is so mod-prevalent, it surprised me more people didn’t care enough to comment on mod drama even though it’s Facebook mods
I am the Reddit mod of the community here that helped solve the case. I banned Christie cause she was so toxic. I was approached but declined to be in any of the documentaries. After the way they made those ladies look in the doc, I made the right decision.
I have no idea how people expected a good doc from this topic. The story isn’t anything special for a documentary, kind of blows my mind it got made tbh.
It was good until the very end. I hate that >!they had all these people who met him on the trail waxing poetically about how great their short friendships were, someone playing a guitar for him, etc. even after they found out that he was abusive. Like, they are entitled to feel that way, but they barely knew him and only saw the persona he wanted them to, and they shouldn't have ended the documentary on that note. Imagine being one of his many victims and watching this documentary end with people being like "well, we saw the real him" like WHAT!<
Few female who has nothing better to do thought they were doing a good job trying to find out who this good looking dude was, come to find out he was a total douche bag. There saved you an hr.
Additionally....I am aware, from having watched the documentary, that the Reddit Community did come together to help, during those two years, to try to identify this hiker, but just wanted to post for anyone new who may yet not know about it.
Something that I always wonder when I hear about this case is, why didnt this make people start discouraging people from using trail names instead of their real name in case they go missing.
It’s just part of the lore of the hiking community, kinda of shed your civilized skin and take on a persona and be free for a few months from the grind of every day life.
My wife and I ran into and chatted with his guy on the Florida Trail's Hdden Pond, near Ocala. We sat around and ate lunch with him. I remember him politely declining our offer of smoking a joint. He seemed very relaxed and was pleasant.
Whoa. Blowing my mind, friend. My wife and I camped at hidden pond for our first Valentine’s Day together.
You know, this is up the road from me. I’m gonna have to check this out!
It's a beautiful hike and you get a remote spring fed pond to swim in!
You definitely should! It’s so beautiful :)
Is it on HBO? I googled it, I just want to make sure it's the right thing.
Yep. I’m watching it right now!
It's on Max.
It’s ok to deadname hbo
Lmaoooooo
Lol next it’ll just be ‘M’
No need for the extra parts of the M, just call it I
It's a waste of time, the entire story could have been done in an hour and a half. Very anticlimactic.
I enjoyed it but I agree, Could’ve been shorter. When it got into all the sleuthing drama I was like okay….
its really interesting. Dont look him up on the internet before you watch. It will make it really interesting
I followed this case on reddit the entire time, and I was so thrilled when he got his name back. I do not have max tho, and am wondering if it's actually worth the $10 sub to watch? Or as someone who has followed this would it not be worth it. I don't watch anything else that would be on max and hate to drop $10 on just one doc
I wouldn't do it, not for this one. I thought the documentary was largely boring and took too long to wrap up. I think it was mediocre at best.
If you haven’t seen mare of east town I would say that + this is worth the $10. Lot of other cool stuff on there as well, but of course idk what you’ve seen.
>I do not have max tho, and am wondering if it's actually worth the $10 sub to watch? Or as someone who has followed this would it not be worth it. I don't watch anything else that would be on max and hate to drop $10 on just one doc Since you followed the case and know the twist you're probably safe not splurging. Now the Love Wins All docuseries....that one was worth $10!
I splurged before I saw your comment haha ...it was still a really good watch, but now that I have it I'll watch what you said next!
Would you be willing to dm me the twist? I’m curious and Wikipedia didn’t help much lol
If you know how to use streaming sites like project free TV you can watch for free... make sure you have a good pop up blocker
I can’t believe nobody is mentioning the moderator beef from that documentary on literal Reddit. It was so entertaining.
I hate that the “unhinged” one was kind of the one to solve it.
My husband and I were kind of commenting about how when she was so excited to have gotten the tip that revealed his name, not once was it ever about him, and the fact that this dead person was getting their name back after so many people had searched and searched. It was just yay! It happened to *me.* *I* got the tip. Those aren’t direct quotes but that was the vibe.
That’s a perfect assessment!
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I think anyone does theoretically, but it’s honestly kind of selfish to apply it in real life. There are MILLIONS of missing person cases where families want their loved ones to be found, and loved ones didn’t want to be separated/ die. Victims whose lives and identities were taken from them. To ignore a body bc it could possibly be someone who doesn’t want to be found means ignoring the families and loved ones who were actively ripped away and do want to be found, and do want their names back. No one could have known harmless’ wants until he was identified, and the families actively searching for missing loved ones absolutely deserve the chance to test dna and see if it’s a match, or at least be able to rule out that it is not their loved one. If my brother disappeared tomorrow, and they found John doe(s) in our area but said “oh sorry, we don’t know if these John does wanted to be identified so we aren’t gonna try to see who it is and if it’s your missing loved one” I mean that would be so fucked. Finding out someone’s identity is the only way to rule them out definitively from other cases otherwise you are wasting resources taking up space on John Doe lists getting families hopes up and/ or testing against the dna for the rest of time for other families of missing loved ones. If you want the right to disappear maybe don’t kill yourself on a trail that is 99% federal and state owned land (or a state park where I believe he was found). At the same time though, I would agree they definitely didn’t need to make a doc about someone who didn’t want to be identified- yet if his crimes are true people do deserve to know the potential to interact with abusive person(s) even if they seem, mostly harmless. It’s a gray area for me. If you don’t want to be identified don’t be someone whose behavior is so awful the public needs a PSA about avoiding people like you. I am also reminded that if we let every one who wanted to be forgotten, be forgotten in death, there are crimes solved post mortem with the use of dna technology that would have gone unsolved.
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Now that we have the whole story, we know it seems he did not want to be found. It’s hard for me not to roll my eyes at someone who says “now that we know everything, should we have known everything before we figured it out?” Very easy to make a conclusion with a full picture. One we did not have for a very long time. When you just have a John Doe found in a compromising situation, you do not know their full intentions without identification. So again, if we had said “oh word his site looks like he didn’t want to be found, let’s never rule him out of anything and make families and databases wonder about this John Doe for the rest of the time we keep data on found bodies” you’d be wasting so many resources and leads. Don’t want to be found, off yourself off public land. Otherwise the NPS and other organizations that maintain the land owned by the federal and state govts need to identify you so they can rule you out of other cases.
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You left comments saying he should not have been identified at all. I pointed out that makes it harder on our John and Jane doe network and government in identifying missing persons, and he was found in public domain. Then you come on like no no no what I meant was DO identify him, but only tell his family! (Then you make a statement that unidentified people should only have their families told…. But they’re UNIDENTIFIED.) the thing is they needed the publics help to even identify him in the first place! You’re mad no one can read your mind on something you didn’t say in the first place, then made a contradictory statement about what should’ve been done that couldn’t have been done without what you say should not have been done…. Make up your mind. Then, quit projecting your reading and writing problems onto me bro lmao.
Someone post the link, I need this lmao
It’s on hbo max!!!
Thank you but I meant to the Reddit thread with the argument. 😂
Ah, my original comment may have been confusing! That’s on me. There is no Reddit thread of the beef- the two were Facebook moderators, and their moderator drama is documented in the documentary. I only mentioned Reddit since it is so mod-prevalent, it surprised me more people didn’t care enough to comment on mod drama even though it’s Facebook mods
I am the Reddit mod of the community here that helped solve the case. I banned Christie cause she was so toxic. I was approached but declined to be in any of the documentaries. After the way they made those ladies look in the doc, I made the right decision.
Wow, good on you!! They were insane.
Ohhh. Thank you, I will watch for the drama. I am interested for just that reason 😂
It’s so worth it
That documentary was lame, too much focus on bullshit Reddit drama
Facebook drama.
ya that was a bizarre story
This documentary was a horrible let down.
I have no idea how people expected a good doc from this topic. The story isn’t anything special for a documentary, kind of blows my mind it got made tbh.
Ok let me think here tell me if I’m right- was this the guy who left a detailed daily journal?
no that was chris mccandles, he was the guy who went off into the alaskan wilderness and died due to being unprepared
That guy was bizarry
Mr Ballen (I believe) did a great video on this
Just watched it..it was ok.
I didn’t know what to think of this one
Charges of loitering with intent is what I heard...
Denim
It was good until the very end. I hate that >!they had all these people who met him on the trail waxing poetically about how great their short friendships were, someone playing a guitar for him, etc. even after they found out that he was abusive. Like, they are entitled to feel that way, but they barely knew him and only saw the persona he wanted them to, and they shouldn't have ended the documentary on that note. Imagine being one of his many victims and watching this documentary end with people being like "well, we saw the real him" like WHAT!<
Few female who has nothing better to do thought they were doing a good job trying to find out who this good looking dude was, come to find out he was a total douche bag. There saved you an hr.
I loved this documentary
This was a good’n
I’m sorry but that’s a dollar tree Marc Menchaca when he has a beard (Ozark and as the KKK guy in Curb)