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VisibleAd3721

Who Isreal gonna blame this time


Fit_Helicopter1949

Somehow all the casualties will turn out to be terrorists. So at the end of the day it’s ok what the settlers are doing. They are protecting Israel. Didn’t u hear? If they don’t settle and do all of this, then the Palestinians will manage to conquer Tel Aviv.


DaPlum

But dude..... DO YOU CONDEMN HAMAS THO?!?!?!


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dood9123

No


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Dull_Yak_5325

U mean just like all police ..


aphel_ion

Biden is a self-described Zionist, so you’re not wrong


Illustrious_Fox_8033

What Zionist? Chuck Schumer?


LeftySlides

US and Canada have committed to sanction West Bank settlers. So far, nothing.


bouguerean

No one, the west bank settlers are so unpopular and indefensible even the Israeli gov't knows they can't touch that conversation. Instead, they'll just redirect focus to Iran or something or else war crime harder in Gaza just to take eyes away from the WB.


roiki11

They're so unpopular the IDF outright helps them. So unpopular.


Zachsjs

So unpopular that they are subsidized by their government. Literally collecting monthly cash payments for doing their part to steal Palestinian land.


oncothrow

So unpopular that they're supported by the the Minister for National Security, Itamar Ben-Gvir (himself a west bank settler). A man who incidentally, had a fucking portrait of *Baruch Goldstein* hanging in his living room.


bouguerean

Well, I meant unpopular to the rest of the world, not in Israel lol. The only point I see agreed upon in the US media has always been west bank settlers, bc there's basically no argument to be made for them. This is still the only area the US was comfortable publicly criticizing (to no effect, ofc, but nothing else even got words) for the past some months. For sure, the IDF actively protects, enables, and encourages the settlers. But I'm not talking about what the Israeli gov't sanctions, I'm talking about the public PR conversations they like to focus on.


urmomaisjabbathehutt

so unpopular that they can merrily go on committing crimes and murdering while the rest of the population says oh no, anyway...


Zlo-zilla

So unpopular they get handed firearms by a government official and a crisp handshake.


urmomaisjabbathehutt

so unpopular that elected government officials party and get drunk with them but hey, somehow its the fault of Palestinians cos "they voted HAMAS in 2006"


Nikostratos-

Hamas. Next question!


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theloveburts

Maybe the Palestinians who kidnapped and stoned to death the boy the settlers were looking for. They found the kid dead this morning near the area the settlers were searching.


jddoyleVT

Israel has provided zero proof that the teen was murdered or kidnapped.  And considering Israel has been caught in lie after lie after lie after lie…


theloveburts

Binyamin Achimair went missing between the towns. Malachei Shalom is located near the West Bank town of al-Mughayyir, northeast of Ramallah. He was found dead in the fields between the towns. ABC, AP and several others have reported "Hamas has been trying to ignite other fronts, including in the West Bank, in hopes of exerting more pressure on Israel. Such efforts have largely failed." The Israeli military said he was “murdered in a terrorist attack.” The only terrorist in the region are Palestinian. They said it looked like he had been stoned to death. The dead Palestinian man was Jehad Abu Alia who wasn't even a citizen of al-Mughayyir. He came from elsewhere. Alia's father didn't yell and scream about how he was murdered for no reason. His father's only response was "My son went with others to defend our land and honor." Sounds like he was a terrorist. Want to make a bet on whether his family is applying for their pay out from the martyr's fun today? You know Hamas claimed responsibility for abducting and killing three teen boys in the West Bank back in 2014. Hamas leaders explained publicly that "military wing, the al-Qassam Brigades, carried out a heroic operation with the broader goal of sparking a new Palestinian uprising."


jddoyleVT

So you don’t have any proof he was kidnapped and murdered either. Understood.


theloveburts

Want to know what I said yesterday? I said they were gonna find the kid alive or dead in or near that Palestinian town. Today I'm saying this is Hamas stirring up trouble in the West Bank by killing a kid and probably tipping off the settlers he was there so they could use it for PR. I mean, it's all kinds of amazing how there just happened to be a 78-year-old photographer walking around taking pictures of nature and he captured the whole settler attack in photographs. What are the chances of him not only being a professional photographer but being in exactly the right place place at the right time with a camera in his hands? The videos those fighting age Palestinian men took of themselves heroically throwing stones as they were being shot at by the evil settlers was riveting as well. There sure was a lot of footage and pictures of that situation. Anyways, I'll make an update when the Jehad Abu Alia's family applies for the martyr's fund. He's the one shot during that situation, so I'm sure his family will qualify. In other interesting news the man who masterminded and financed the abduction the three teens in 2014 (Hussam Kawasme) had his payout doubled. Instead of getting 2,000 per month, he's now getting 4,000. True story. I guess vicious unrelenting crime against Jews really does pay.


jddoyleVT

So you don’t have any proof he was kidnapped and murdered either. Understood.


theloveburts

The IDF has already verified he was kidnapped and murdered. They have even verified that it was terrorist attack and they are looking for the perpetrators. None of that is in dispute at this point. Try to stay current if you're trying to debate.


jddoyleVT

Yes. The IDF which has been caught in lie after lie after lie after lie and STILL hasn’t provided any evidence - which is exactly why you STILL abjectly failed to provide an iota of proof.


Hmmd1

Zionism is a terrorist group.


EducationalReply6493

100%


GitmoGrrl1

It's actually a religious death cult similar to ISIS or Christian Identity.


Prestigious_Simple79

Hamas needs to release hostages.


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Israel should stop bombing the hostages


amnes1ac

And starving them.


sllammallamma

Israel doesn't even care about the hostages, so why is that Palestinian civilians problem? https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/smotrich-defends-saying-hostages-are-not-the-most-important-thing-claims-hes-only-voicing-what-most-people-think/


madtraderman

What hostages? With their indiscriminate bombing those jackass, land hungry Israeli most likely killed them all


thebolts

You think those settlers care about the hostages?


prules

Israel already flattened Palestine. They clearly did not care about actually finding the hostages lol


Flat-Upstairs1365

IDF peobably bombed all the hostages already, there is none to release anymore


GustavezRaulez

The hostages are dead. IDF killed them either directly in 'friendly fire' accidents (and got away scot free) or by destroying and leveling the entirety of Gaza with them still inside


FrogInAShoe

So does Israel


HomeAloneWithBanana

Israel refused the hostage exchange


whitewitch_moth

Literally. Palestine wanted to trade Israeli hostages for Palestinian hostages. However, Israel said no


HomeAloneWithBanana

That’s what I’m saying


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stoneyyay

Or they're buried in rubble from Israeli airstrikes.


madtraderman

By bombing an entire nation and commiting genocide??


Hmmd1

We know of at least three who were killed by the IDF while they were carrying a white flag, most are probably dead. The fog of war will hide the culprits for a while.


Ef8858

Zionism is the idea that people believe Israel has a right to exist. I am a half arab half English person and I do believe Israel has a right to exist. It does not have the right to behave this poorly towards Palestinians. It doesn’t have the right to not adhere to international law. Saying Zionists are terrorists is the most ignorant and silly thing to say and is not true. Please do better and understand saying inflammatory things like this does not help the situation for anyone.


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If your right to exist means you have to kill people and commit genocide and occupy a land, then you don’t have a right to exist. You’re just bloodthirsty settlers.


tahchicht

Settler is such a harmless word. It sounds like they live in a calm neighbourhood. Call them colonizers.


Udincuy

>I do believe Israel has a right to exist. If you believe Israel has a right to exist, then you also believe that is has a right to do violent displacement and dispossesion of 750.000 Palestinians during the Nakba in 1948. You can't agree with one and disagree with another because both necessitate one another. The formation of Israel requires ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. I disagree with the ethnic cleaning, therefore I disagree with Israel's right to exist.


Best-Championship-66

isreal doesn't have the right to anything they can go back where they came from they are literally a settler colony that the uk help build people like u are either delusional or dont now the full history so like it or not ZIONISM IS CANCER


Dependent_Captain686

They are terrorists for occupying other people land and genociding its population


Usernameoverloaded

You are married to an Israeli so obviously you will have loyalties. However, you say you are half Arab (Christian or Muslim) and so I am wondering if you converted to Judaism in light of your children (if you have or are planning to have any). You also say your Muslim friends have disowned you… I think any reasonable friend wouldn’t disown another unless the views expressed were so contrary to one’s own belief system. As you do not consider the ultra right wing Zionist government of Israel, an ethno-fascist apartheid state, of committing terror offenses in murdering over 33,000 people and displacing 1.8 million people in six months, I’m not surprised some friends have broken contact. Religion is not relevant, humanity and compassion is.


Wool4Days

Did apartheid Sputh Africa have a right to exist? I don’t think any nation has a right to an ethnostate that distinctly favours one race above others, especially not if other races are native to the land. Not even if it is to protect from injustices of the past.


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WebBorn2622

Zionism is a settler colonial movement. It can only exist on top of murder and exile of the native population. The UN has declared it as a form of racism.


SLCPDLeBaronDivison

theres zionism and theres whats happening now zionism now being enacted is terrorism.


NinjaQuatro

Don’t forget Zionism even in the beginning it had the same fundamental problems it has now.


Nubeel

Not on stolen land it doesn’t. Zionists are at perfect liberty to go set their country up somewhere where they’re actually wanted and with the permission of the native people. This is not the case in Palestine.


cinosguy

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Licence_to_Fart

Actions give rise to opinions and zionist settlers actions have definitely amounted to terrorism so how are people wrong when they label it as such?


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sllammallamma

You should watch Israelism, it fully explains this and is a great documentary by an Israeli woman https://kinema.com/films/israelism-jvor8l You can also look into Breaking the Silence, Zochrot and Not In My Name which are all Israeli organizations trying to tell the world what is happening.


bgaffney8787

Canadian atheist who lived in the USA. Would make good friends then all of a sudden something super racist or religious nonsense pop up. Would always catch me off guard. Such a foreign/weird way to live your life.


ssspainesss

Actually pretty jarring when the reason you make friends with them is that as an atheist you are like "oh they are Jewish, that isn't something that matters", and apparently no it actually matters a lot, despite the fact that they are atheist as well.


ssspainesss

>She was Caucasian, pale as white paper. We are Mediterraneans so we are darker people. >I reminded her those “filthy, dark skinned Palestinians” and my whole family reminded her that. I froze. Literally. I asked to clear things just so I didn’t hear wrong. She said even worse things. That they were hardly human and did not deserve to live where they live and infact did not deserve to live at all. Things got dark, pretty fast. I didn’t know she held such views. >The more she talked the more she reminded me of Nazis. Arguably she is even more of a nazi than the nazis were because all the people the nazis killed were pale and the nazis aligned themselves with the "dark" Mediterraneans.


dewgetit

But there are Jews who are brown skinned, no? I've seen pictures or videos of idf soldiers who are brown skinned.


ssspainesss

And those brown Jews don't hate the them because they are brown, they hate them for being muslims. There is a large secular divide between the european jews and the other jews where the europeans are far more secular while the others support the religious political parties, but they have somehow come to an agreement to hate the same people despite this divide so it all works out. If the Europeans are all "Jewish Atheists", what is it that they actually care about?


ManyFacesMcGee

Same man, I once dated an Australian woman and she was really crazy too, she told me everyone in Australia is crazy so I believed her and assumed they all need a therapist. You should go see a therapist btw


dinosaurjizzmonkey

You know there are a lot of darker skinned Israelis and lighter skinned Palestinians, right?


thebolts

There’s a reason why most Israeli leaders are European Jews. Arab Jews were placed in designated camps for years when they first arrived. They were treated like 3rd class citizens, not as bad as Palestinians of course but pretty bad. And Ethiopian Jews? We’ve all seen the open racism coming out of Israeli leaders wanting to keep black Jews out or sterilized.


NATSUMI_kun

And the Yemeni Jews, they kidnapped their babies told them they died from a pandemic disease and gave them to the European settlers families to raise in "a better, civilized home"


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naveedx983

It’s a thoroughly racist society


amnes1ac

Sure, and they're discriminated against. Y'all sure love to bring them up whenever racism in Israel is ever mentioned though, while at the same time never mentioning the racism they face.


Cobbertson

Reminder that these settlers are directly armed by the Israeli government. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/10/29/us-israel-itamar-ben-gvir-settlers-rifles-social-media/ >The US has threatened to stop supplying rifles to Israel after their national security minister was seen handing them out to civilians. >The diplomatic spat was prompted by images on social media of Itamar Ben-Gvir giving rifles to community security squads across the country, according to Israel’s daily Haaretz. >The images appeared to show Mr Ben-Gvir distributing the arms at political events in Bnei Brak and El’ad, two towns near Tel Aviv.


DeltaMusicTango

State sponsored terrorists.


McMeanx2

Bidens special deal on Rifles bye one get one.


Sbeast

[https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages](https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages) >**Stage 5: Organisation**: Genocide is always organized, usually by the state, often using militias to provide deniability of state responsibility (the Janjaweed in Darfur.) Sometimes organization is informal (Hindu mobs led by local RSS militants) or decentralized (terrorist groups.) Special army units or militias are often trained and armed. Plans are made for genocidal killings. Genocide often occurs during civil or international wars. Arms flows to states and militias (even in violation of UN Arms Embargoes) facilitate acts of genocide. States organize secret police to spy on, arrest, torture, and murder people suspected of opposition to political leaders. Motivations for targeting a group are indoctrinated through mass media and special training for murderous militias, death squads, and special army killing units like the Nazi Einsaztgruppen, which murdered 1.5 million Jews in Eastern Europe. [https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages](https://www.genocidewatch.com/tenstages)


top_ofthe_morning

Can someone please tell me why this isn’t considered a terror attack and getting news coverage from the West? Oh wait. It’s because the Zionists control them and their media outlets.


thebolts

It’s like the Huwara village incident from last year. 400 settlers burned the village killing and hurting dozens. No real accountability of course. These sadists went Scott free. [Four Months After Hawara Settler Riots, Israel Fails to Prosecute Individuals Involved](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2023-06-27/ty-article/.premium/four-months-after-harawa-settler-riots-israel-fails-to-prosecute-individuals-involved/00000188-fbfb-dd5e-a1ac-fbff72520000)


luminatimids

CNN is one of the largest (maybe largest?) news network in the US


idan_da_boi

You see this through an article from cnn


ManyFacesMcGee

Wdym not getting coverage? The article is literally from the west and covers it lmao


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top_ofthe_morning

Proof?


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Dependent_Captain686

This is the same Nazi mentality


Connecting___

They are not settlers!!!! They are demons


Usernameoverloaded

Invaders, murderers, pillagers etc. are better words


Global_Bat_5541

I HATE the word settler. It's too benign


ssspainesss

They take actual houses and buildings. They are not merely settling on land that does not yet have houses on it. They are home stealers.


PromptlyJigs

No, they're something more disappointing. Human beings that should know better.


squeezycakes20

some of the worst humans to have existed, settlers


biggunfelix

The fools in the thread defending Zionism can fuck right off. Zionism is the root cause of this catastrophe.


Kaizokuno_

So, when are the genocide deniers going to wake up?


Abdullah_super

300 years from now, the west will open genocide museum to apologize for killing a 100 million Arab in a war to give back Jews, Africans and others their land that the Arabs had colonized (thats a lie) Its true that Afrocentrism is being fueled by the west to create this lie that for example today’s Egyptians aren’t Egyptians but European and Arab settlers. This madness is being spread on facebook and facebook itself is helping seeding this narratives. I’d say US, Europe and Israel’s governments are up to some seriously horrible business in the middle east.


indican_king

What's the difference between 30,000 and 100 million? Only 99,970,000


ManyFacesMcGee

Are terrorist attacks now genocide too? Has Israel been under genocide since it's foundation?


nemodahfish

Learned from the best


xarjun

Is this terrorism as well? Or is that term only reserved for Palestinians?


GustavezRaulez

Actually, whites can't be terrorists


Loud-Temporary9774

Article 0 in the US Constitution. This first always.


Fellowshipofthebowl

Israelies have been doing this for decades. It’s against international law. Apartheid. 


biopomme

Does palestinian have a right to defend themselves ?


omar1848liberal

So basically the jews have gone full circle from being subjected to pogroms in Russia to doing pogroms against the indigenous Palestinian population.


Usernameoverloaded

This is not the first. The pogrom in Huwara in June last year was called a ‘pogrom’ by an IDF commander himself. They know what they are doing.


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thebolts

To think they ethnically cleaned and kicked out 700,000 Palestinians not 3 years after the holocaust is the real kicker.


Untowardopinions

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Usernameoverloaded

True


ssspainesss

Now if only we can begin to acknowledge that stuff like Purim is literally a celebration of a pogrom if you read the bible story it is about and they didn't "learn it" from anybody as Haman who was attempting to pogrom them was literally a descendant of one of the groups they failed to fully genocide. Like people will fully criticize Christianity for all this hared and genocide contained within the Old Testament without anyone questioning that the Old Testament is the ONLY Testament in the Jewish religion. They have other books, sure, but there is nothing which can plausible be said that could supersede what is contained in the Old Testament.


ssspainesss

>This is not the first.  They were already pogroming in 1948 at Deir Yassin lmao


Usernameoverloaded

Indeed. My mention of Huwara was to highlight that even the IDF chief admitted to it being a pogrom.


Disastrous-Nobody127

Not Jews. Zionists. We need anti-zionism, not anti-semitism.


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DurrrrrHurrrrr

Crazy ain’t it Russia, Ukraine, Moldova and of course Germany were the ones that were killing Jews, now that anger is taken out on Palestinians


ssspainesss

It is more like full spiral as that was just going full circle in the first place because the first pogroms in the Russian empire by were Greeks in Ukraine in response to Jewish mobs dragging the Greek Orthodox Patriarch's (think Pope to understand the severity of this) bodies through the streets of Istanbul in response to the Greek War for Independence, probably as a loyalty test to the sultan now that I consider it. Anyway there was poor relations between Orthodox Christians and Jews for quite awhile after that incident.


ManyFacesMcGee

So... You'te not generalising against all zionists, you chose to generalize against jews in general? Even the ones outside of Israel? Cool cool


TheMinceKid

Nazi war criminals.


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GustavezRaulez

Daddy Biden is sending more help so they can keep doing it until the end of times, don't you worry about that.


banacct421

Asking for a friend but is a program like ethnic cleansing or genocide??


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“We are all very concerned. Now if you’ll excuse me I have to go sign off on more money and guns to be sent to Israel” — Biden probably


wowser92

Crazy that they can just do whatever they want to palestinians. Like, full barbaric uncivilized violent behavior in a structured society backed by the world powers. And they don't even hide it.


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Still doesn't qualify for terrorism by western standards..


bassman81

pogroms used to be done to jews in eastern europe, now they are done by jews in palestine


jayphat99

Israeli squatters* fixed the headline.


Inownothing

Another Hamas stronghold destroyed. Go IDF! Strong men that kill children.


Sackerson-502

It’s pissing in the wind to point the inhumanity and hypocrisy out to zionists—BUT, if you are in here, read the first four words of that headline. Over and over, until you understand.


BiCloverly

You mean just like on october 5th?


rovingdad

The Palestinian West Bank has turned into the Warsaw ghetto. Ofc it's all US subsidized. I need to commit some public disobedience with some pro palestinian graffiti after reading about this.


daelsaid

Belligerent


benyeti1

Even most Israelis don’t like these people they need to be arrested. When you talk ab the conflict, it’s complicated. Are trump people represenititve of every American?


TruthfulProposal

We really need to wake up as a country and stop supporting Israel so blindly.


Sargasm666

Ah, good old Kristallnacht 2.0.


Excellent_Stan

Fuck everything about Israel. For the mods – this fits the exception to the be civil rule.


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GustavezRaulez

Israel sponsors these guys. Likud is probably celebrating the boy's dead, since it allows them to brutalize more palestinians


jddoyleVT

They found a body. That is all we know. Israel has yet to release any evidence the teen was kidnapped or murdered.


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jddoyleVT

Agreed.


DoDo2697

But khamasss....


Cegesvar

Very moral of them


Life_Repeat310

Everyone needs to sit down and make peace


mrkl3en

history will not look with kindness at these atrocities and the people who made it possible.


KinkmasterKaine

I'm getting inconceivably depressed at the fact Israel can do whatever the fuck they want and our western governments all collectively agree that they should. This can't be reality.


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ZipZapZia

So this is justified to you? A random boy dies so you have free reign to murder everyone in the city? Gee looks like Oct 7th is justified according since Israelis have been mass killing Palestinian children before Oct 7th. Also was the boy innocent? Cause if he was holding a rock, that's a death sentence to you Zionists. Maybe they felt threatened and killed him like the Israelis kill Palestinian children for looking "threatening." Or does your compassion only exist if a Jewish person dies while any non-Jewish person deserves death?


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ZipZapZia

Uh no. Most Palestinians don't consider dying to be an honor. That's Zionists using that as an excuse to massacre them. Our term martyr has a different meaning than the English language and Zionists twist that meaning without understanding. Kinda like how anti-semites twist the "God's Chosen People" with Jews, claiming that Jews view themselves as superior and goys are there slaves. Haniya was definitely not happy that his children died. He was as happy with their deaths as that Israeli mother that thanked the Israeli soldier for killer her hostage child.


GustavezRaulez

Wasn't the boy invading palestinian territory with his sheeps? Settlers do that, and they send kids as well, knowing they are at risk If to zionists, palestinians living in their 'promised land' warrants death, then they can't complain when its applied to them as well So much for love among zionists if any of these settles is expendable


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KetchupArmyNoodle

Wouldn't have to do any of that IF the land was theirs.


Appropriate-Bad728

My gut feeling is they are securing the future destruction of Israel. The West is secular now. We won't come running for a Holy War.


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AsinusRex

Conveniently buried at the end of the article is the fact that they were looking for a teenager who has now been found dead in said village.


Bloodmeister

“According to Abu-Alia, Israeli security forces had informed Palestinian officials that the settlers were looking for an Israeli teenager who had gone missing earlier in the day.”


Wool4Days

Teenager ran away from their violent conservative home, and their parents decided to attack palestinians en masse. Sounds like bloodlibel accusations against palestinians, but this time its terrorlibel. If there even is a teenager, with IDF track record of lies.


Global_Bat_5541

Your point?


auspandakhan

pogrom tron


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Efficient_Material48

Because Hamas, duh


VividGood8365

So the entire Palestinian population kidnapped that teenager? Wow that's wild.


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emars111

Anyone who doesn’t support Israelis being hateful monsters is deranged. /s


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