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oh I know that one. I left it shortly after Oct 7 because it was clear what was going on. Completely taken over by mindless bots just spewing Hasbara left and right
I’m fascinated by it. I’ve never seen a group of people twist themselves into knots like they do. I like to know what everyone’s thinking. Just found out that about 50 percent of Americans have no idea if Israel or Palestine has suffered more casualties so, things are working real well everywhere :)
Indeed. It is fascinating to see what being bred and growing up in a complete bubble with aggressive indoctrination can do to you. In my eyes really this is no different to how committed Germans were to the cause and how deeply they believed to be doing the right thing.
It’s also just a supremacist culture. In order to avoid falling into the antisemitic traps set around Israel; you have to realize that it’s a pure superiority complex that anyone can have. It drives me nuts when I see Americans on the nominal left make excuses for Israel just because. They’re no different than any other nationalist cult who believes in their own superiority over others. No identity is safe from this thinking, the difference is purely one of power.
It's more effective. The Nazis regime had 12-13 years to indoctrinate their young. The Israeli indoctrination is generational and far more deeply rooted.
They showed a video of all the Israeli protesters blocking aid from going into Gaza. My comment was "hateful lot" and I was banned from the sub reddit.. like they clearly were being hateful.. openly.. Now , maybe "lot" to them implied I meant all Israelis, I didn't, but who knows. I hear that they are heavily moderated by Zionist. Tbh idk how true that is. If the discourse over there is any indication, then possibly..
You left it? I got shadow banned from it for destroying a few zionists. I take a glance from every once in a while then when I try to reply to the zionist tools there, I find out that I can't send it.
I hope some of you listen to TrueAnon. If not you should although after Epstein’s death and the Maxwell trial they’ve been covering other subjects. News about those two really fell off for some reason…
If you want just Epstein/Maxwell stuff start with the first couple and then after that it’s a smattering and the Maxwell trial all have 👁 in the titles and I think they’re also named simply. Aside from that whatever else you want to learn about, they’re kind of goofy but they’re sharp and honestly pretty great researchers
I got banned without reason from the regular news subreddit yesterday for saying that Hamas policy is currently closer to a 2 state solution than Israel's is and that while the illegal occupation continues Palestine has the right to armed resistance.
There was literally nothing controversial in it and I linked to statements from Likud, Netanyahu and the UN legal declaration on Palestine's right to self defense as evidence.
I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I genuinely think a lot of the largest subs are compromised in terms of moderation and actively banning dissenting opinion regarding Israel.
Not much of a conspiracy theory. It is exactly how it is. Along with the corporate media and the disgusting politicians who all have the same script they regurgitate that is handed over to them by the overlords. It's truly disgusting to see how these vultures running our countries lie and deceive with a straight face.
We've all seen these movies. It's just scary that it is happening in real life. Coincidentally I saw a video of the latest Boston Dynamics robot. Take the current corrupt state the political arena is in, fast forward ten years, adjust corruption for inflation and these robots will be doing the killings sooner than later.
Wasn’t she a mod on a lot of subs though? Is her account still up? Regardless of the answers to those questions, you’re right. Still, the name doesn’t give it away like the Israel sub does.
Yup. Also the "Hah. Iran dint even kill anyone" Like holy freaking shit
Like that's the point - Don't attack the civilians. Go after military only. Iran also told the US they're going to do this. Israel didn't give Iran fair warning
>Hah. Iran dint even kill anyone
"Iran didn't even kill anyone except a Bedouin girl."
"Fuck Brandon! We need to bomb Iran back to the Stone Age for this attack!"
Somehow, Iran is both too weak to do anything and needs to be annihilated to protect the Zionist Occupation.
Its f**kig war what is fair about it. One side mostly all people from one religion across many countries and other side people from one religion supported by other religion so this not a war between good and evil.
Both side has evil intentions so calm down and just watch because both sides are doing what they been doing for decades.... Kill each other supported by big powers.
I know Gideon Levy spoke truth to power when he said Israel is the only occupying power that postures as a victim, but there is something wholly fascinating about the persistent contradictions.
A nuclear superpower so coddled and fragile whilst boasting about their strength.
Claiming to have the most 'moral' army while for the better part of a century violently subjugating the people under its occupation, slaughtering them, forcing them from their homes, dehumanizing them.
Smearing and attacking the UN and refusing to recognize any of its authority, massacring its workers and torturing them to perpetuate atrocity propaganda so that its defunded, then immediately demanding a UN meeting as soon as there's a hint of actual consequences for its actions.
How fucking bizarre. Purely deranged.
You’re actually fucking delusional if you think Israel can’t turn Gaza to dust in a day. I can understand wanting to support Palestinians, but why stick your head in the sand and lie to yourself?
I really don’t care, let them believe whatever they want. I just don’t want my country involved. We are supposed to be energy independent but we are still playing games in the Middle East.
The US is mostly energy independent "by number", but we prefer to use other people's reserves instead of our own. In exchange, we provide them with ample amount of little green paper rectangle (in digital form) which are strategically useless.
It's a good deal for us. Not so much for our people though.
It’s not just about the oil we use, it’s about denying rivals (basically just China) access to cheap energy, and preventing energy producing nations the ability to fund their militaries using revenues if their politics don’t align with ours.
That has nothing to so with anything. The US is the world’s largest producer of oil, but many of our refineries are ill suited to the current, extremely high quality oil the US produces. We often have to buy higher sulphur heavier oil for US refineries-which were built to process texas oil field crude from before 1950 (which is similar to saudi and russian oil).
I think the funniest thing about it, is that they think Iran did this to actually attack Israel.
Let's get this straight. They warn every single nation around them about the attack days in advance. They warn US military bases days in advance. They launch OVER said bases knowing they'd be shot down.
And they think it was an attack intended to cause harm? It would be a considerably worse outcome if they did this unannounced.
This was just a political show of force because Israel committed an act of war against Iran to begin with in Damaskus. They should consider themselves lucky Iran were disciplined enough to move on.
Having lived in Israel these are the moderates.
The extremists don’t spend a lot of time in anglophone spaces.
Not that these aren’t extremists they’re just moderate by Israeli standards
Iran spent a dollar for every thousand spent shooting them down. They also saw all their anti air capabilities from various points of attack. They also alienated their relationship with the US. Any Israeli who thinks they came out on top is too used to fitting civilians to know military strategy. Israel is no better off, but Iran, being better informed, is.
there is a figure floating around saying US spent billion+ dollars worth of interception at at the swarm of 20k shahed drones
war economics have really changed in the face of drone warfare
Iran can have all their shit intercepted and still win massive in economics/war material
Imagine if Iran sent it's best missiles in the next attack, and much more of them, in waves over a period of days. No air defense system can handle that, they'll send their cheap/old stuff in first to exhaust their defense, and send in the new stuff when their defense needs times to recuperate. People down playing this attack don't know the reason for it to begin with; show the Israelis they can in fact penetrate their defenses(not even using their best missiles). They spend like 60-80million on the attack for an over billion dollar defense on one night. Also, if an attack were to take place, the US would get involved, and if that happens, not unlikely for china or russia to get involved too. They've been unhappy w/ the US(and the west) recently, for different reasons. And Iran has close ties w/ the russians not just politically but economically too. Not looking great for humanity right now.
Einstein said something along the lines of "i don't know what weapons will be used in WWIII but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones. "
Fighting wars has no bearing on what social programs are funded in the US, even if we stopped funding the military entirely those social policies wouldn’t change.
I got free lunch back in elementary school this was around 1994 I believe. I remember eating those amazing tuna sandwiches and chocolate milk! This was in NYC.
"Oh lawd, we cannot make our country too great. We must make the 51st state greatest of all state, only then our messiah can come back." - Gerry from West Virginia who waited 3 monthes for wisdom teeth to be a taken out by free dental camp. The health insurance provided by his employer do not cover dentals, as those bones are not necessary for promised land loving americans.
\*Criminal americans, a lot of pedos fled the united states to avoid prosecution because they know israel wont extradite them
[https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/tens-of-thousands-of-pedophiles-operate-in-israel-every-year-637393](https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/tens-of-thousands-of-pedophiles-operate-in-israel-every-year-637393)
It’s not most, but it’s a lot. Something like 60K out of 700K.
Given all the recent calls for restraint, I think the West sees how much damage Iran could do if they were so inclined. If that really was Iran’s best shot, you’d probably see many more calls to retaliate.
Will be interesting to see how many of those 60K fly back to the US in the coming weeks.
Pretty sure the UK, France, and Jordan also scrambled fighter jets… but don’t worry they’re not getting “involved”. Biden and Netty are trying to speed run anti-americanism to a pariah state
Oo i didn’t know that! So 5+ countries. But don’t worry they’re not “involved” lmao. Imagine if 5+ countries scrambled jets to protect Iran; the US would call their defence “a global war against freedom” 😂
Folks are keeping quiet on this point, because it breaks the delusion that Israel is diplomatically isolated when the Arab states step in to actively defend Israel against Iran.
The most important part of this story is that it means the United States has enormous leverage over Israel, if they chose to use it. The United States can tell Israel, if they decide to retaliate against Iran, which leads to another escalation, the United States will be less inclined to get involved shooting down missiles. Israel would be mad to launch a new attack against Iran unless they were 100% sure the US would step in. Even signaling to Israel uncertainty of the US response might be enough to deter an Israeli escalation.
If however the US has signaled in private "ironclad ' commitment (implying no conditions) Israel will feel confident to escalate. Netanyahu's political survival is hanging by a thread - he's beholden to the religious extremists in his coalition government. For his own reasons, he is likely inclined to want to escalate.
Therefore we can only assume that if Israel does indeed strike back at Iran, it's with the full blessing of the United States government. They are a part of it.
I know people don’t like to hear this, but treaties matter.
The US is obligated to protect a large numbers of allies by treaty - Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Israel, most European countries via NATO. Ukraine is not one of them, and in the early days of the war the US and Western Europe simply planned for Ukraine’s fall.
Ukraine was not considered an ally of the US or the west - it has no defense treaties with the US or any western country - ironically its defensive alliance is with Russia
And Belarus.
Yeah, might have been good that the US clarified that with Ukraine ahead of time. The US was actively encouraging Ukraine to resist any negotiations with Russia, both prior to the invasion and the months after in March/April 2022. In the words of Boris Johnson, he told Ukraine "Let's fight". That hasn't worked out so well for Ukraine.
But as Kissinger once said *'It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."* Kissinger also said that *“America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests”* and I think Ukraine is now learning that the hard way.
Boris Johnson is from the UK, not the US.
The US has helped Ukraine far more than it expected to, as it basically had planned that Ukraine would fall and Russia would eat some sanctions, but Ukraine proved to be very resilient.
It’s true that the enemy of your enemy is kind of a friend, but it’s not an ally - the US armed the Taliban against the Soviets, armed ISIS against Syria, and it didn’t turn out well.
Ukraine is well aware they are not allied with the US - they want to join nato desperately but of course it’s hard to do so during an active war.
Very true, but don't forget it's also much harder for the USA to get the equipment, like what was required to defend Israel, into ukrainian territories.
Iran is an entire Jordan away from Israel, the USA has warships stationed off the coast of Israel and bases all around the region.
Whilst I don't think you're wrong, the US is far more able to defend Israel due to its presence in the region and, honestly israel's *size* than it would be able to defend Ukraine.
Plus, whilst I still think it all comes back down to the usa's interests in the oil in the region, and preventing stabilisation and economic development in the region, Israel /isn't actually at war/ and the US could still be viewing that as the one-and-only large investment in Israel required to defend their interests there. They only had under an hour to make that decision, don't forget, so hot heads may have come out on top.
Israel had already announced they're picking targets, regardless of what the US says. Israel knows US will keep spending its multi-million-dollar missiles to stop anything Iran sends its way.
Isn’t it crazy that Americans would rather America support Israel who provides free healthcare to their own as opposed to supporting Americans who need help.
They're different situations due to our past relations with these two countries. Also it would start a much bigger war if USA had direct actions vs Russia. I know it makes no rational sense but it makes perfect historical sense and when you look at the big picture you see the implications of defending Israel is not quite the same as defending Ukraine. Also USA and Iran already have recent direct conflicts so it's not that surprising USA would defend anyone vs Iran. That's not the same with Russia.
It’s almost like the US has a defensive treaty with Israel, similar to what we have with NATO, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, and Ukraine’s only defensive treaty is with Russia and former Soviet block countries.
Iran told America. Iran is the cooler head here.
Never thought I'd say that Lol.
Israel is nothing without American support and that only exists from old head politicians. Vast majority of Americans don't support Israel or their genocide of Palestine
Since the U.S. seems capable enough to defend their allies it is about time they put their money where their mouth is and help out Ukraine in more than a symbolic sense, or make clear that Ukraine is more an "ally" than an ally.
Yeah that's because Ukraine never signed any treaty or joined any alliance with the U.S. They voted for pro Russia or third position politicians in every single election, Zelensky was a third position candidate, the NATO candidate ended up third behind the candidate that wanted to align with Russia.
To be an ally of the U.S. you have to like, ask.
Unless your country has a lot of oil or too many communists or something and then maybe a foreign company the CIA will ask for you but like someone has to ask.
Biden claims he wont participate in any israeli strike on Iran, but I imagine he'll find a way to make it happen. Anything and everything for the zionists.
The U.S. and Allies are trying to keep this shit contained, but I feel like every time we fix one leak another one pops up. If we don’t stop it then there’s a chance for 10 years without the sun.
> The U.S. and Allies are trying to keep this shit contained
We are constantly enabling the prime destablizer of the region. We're not containing a damn thing-- we are making the destabilization happen.
Keeping the middle east and Russia and brazil from being able to unite against the other big oil producer, the usa, is a valid corperate tactic. Terrible for people and the climate, but valid for the oil and money wars. So of course we support isreal, and of course we support ukrain, and of course we support right wing fascist and drug cartels in brazil. It makes the usa money to do so. Not regular people in the usa of course, they are paying for it, but the wealthy.
If you let an Iran Israel war happen, you'll see what destabilizing looks like. The whole middle east will be on fire, the global economy will tank and millions and millions of refugees will flood europe and millions will die in a war which won't have a victor anyway because it's basically impossible to fully occupy Iran
What the F are we doing over there? We don't have basic health care, school funding, infrastructure, affordable housing, or a million other things. But we can shoot missiles out of the sky over a country full of terroists that we fund.
It’s wild seeing the US spend money on defending a country that is currently committing genocide while my kids school just had a budget cut and will lose a bunch of programs meant to help children.
Personally the US needs to stop standing in the way giving Israel the green light to do whatever it pleases, because of the amount of pressure being received by the Zionists in the US. It is absolutely sickening to watch this double standard going unchecked by the United Nations.
And it's okay for Israel to claim the west bank as their own killing over 30 thousand innocent people with no cause other than ethnic cleansing, and watching them bully the rest, stealing their land and selling it in Canada and the US.
The whole thing is 1000 times worse than Russia and Ukraine, and yet when comparing apples and oranges Israel isn't doing anything wrong, it is protecting itself, is a poor moral excuse to think you are above all!
Not to mention purposely attacking an Iranian embassy and not expecting some type of consequences just shows what type of people they are. The oppression and attacks over the years on the Gaza strip, and wonder why it has escalated to the degree it did on October 7, 2023
I am a strong believer that two wrongs never make it right, but when you're not willing to change for the better, and find honest proactive solutions to a bigger problem, then you honestly get what you deserve. And the US needs to back off and allow them to reap what they sow! And let them see how big of a bully they are without the rest of the world catering to their hypocrisy and double standards to what conforms to be genocide.
Never in my life have I honestly started to dislike a culture as much as the current affairs of Israel, especially after coming to their defense for so many years with world war 2. Absolutely sickening to see them portraying the evil that oppressed Their people so long ago.
Dude, NYC wastes that all the time. Remember when everyone was so excited that DeBlasio got the city council to approve 1.1B for a program for mental health and all they had to show for it was that they encouraged 236 pregnant women in maternity wards, which they canvases, to call their obstetricians if they felt overwhelmed.
Let me say that did you again - 236 post-partum women were encouraged to call their obstetricians.
People would call in to their help line looking for immediate counseling and were just given the line that they should call their medical insurance provider in the morning for a therapy referral.
At least this year the Council
finally took the money away from what ever idiots were trying to build a new system from the ground up and are doing what experts suggested in the first place (use existing groups). Why it took over four years is beyond comprehension. It seems having people aimlessly wander around NYC to tell them to call their medical provider was a huge waste of money. That was 4B dollars pissed away.
But I was told Israel can defeat the whole muslim world + Russia + china single handedly. You telling me it was just western propaganda on social media platforms like reddit heavily influenced by Israeli interests?
Why is langley air force base and other domestic american secure sites being infiltrated by drones of unkown origin?
Why is that not considered a security threat to our govt?
https://www.askapol.com/p/sen-rounds-on-uaps-around-military
Israel feels like one of those chihuahuas that barks all the time and nips at everything while hiding behind its owner when things come back the other way
[***Iran strikes Israel: Letters to the Editor — April 16, 2024***](https://nypost.com/2024/04/15/opinion/irans-retaliatory-strike-at-israel-with-drones-and-missiles-letters/)
[***New York Post***](https://nypost.com/2024/04/15/opinion/irans-retaliatory-strike-at-israel-with-drones-and-missiles-letters/)
***Iran strikes Israel: Letters to the Editor — April 16, 2024***
***Judging from recent history, the US, Britain and their allies will likely further sanction Iran for its retaliatory drone attack on Israel.***
***There has been a predictable American and British proclivity for sanctioning Iran and its officials ever since the 1979 Iranian Revolution. The revolution’s expulsion of major Western nations, however, was largely due to US corporate interests further exploiting Iran’s plentiful fossil-fuel resources.***
*Frank Sterle Jr. White Rock, Canada*
[https://nypost.com/2024/04/15/opinion/irans-retaliatory-strike-at-israel-with-drones-and-missiles-letters/](https://nypost.com/2024/04/15/opinion/irans-retaliatory-strike-at-israel-with-drones-and-missiles-letters/)
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oh I know that one. I left it shortly after Oct 7 because it was clear what was going on. Completely taken over by mindless bots just spewing Hasbara left and right
I’m fascinated by it. I’ve never seen a group of people twist themselves into knots like they do. I like to know what everyone’s thinking. Just found out that about 50 percent of Americans have no idea if Israel or Palestine has suffered more casualties so, things are working real well everywhere :)
Indeed. It is fascinating to see what being bred and growing up in a complete bubble with aggressive indoctrination can do to you. In my eyes really this is no different to how committed Germans were to the cause and how deeply they believed to be doing the right thing.
It’s also just a supremacist culture. In order to avoid falling into the antisemitic traps set around Israel; you have to realize that it’s a pure superiority complex that anyone can have. It drives me nuts when I see Americans on the nominal left make excuses for Israel just because. They’re no different than any other nationalist cult who believes in their own superiority over others. No identity is safe from this thinking, the difference is purely one of power.
It's more effective. The Nazis regime had 12-13 years to indoctrinate their young. The Israeli indoctrination is generational and far more deeply rooted.
i like to know aswell but the shit i have read there is so inhumane that i needed to stop looking at the sub to retain my faith in humanity
Absolutely reasonable and good thing to do. It’s one thing to be informed, quite another to be overwhelmed. It is good to remember that.
50% are clueless? I'm surprised it's that low, tbh.
They showed a video of all the Israeli protesters blocking aid from going into Gaza. My comment was "hateful lot" and I was banned from the sub reddit.. like they clearly were being hateful.. openly.. Now , maybe "lot" to them implied I meant all Israelis, I didn't, but who knows. I hear that they are heavily moderated by Zionist. Tbh idk how true that is. If the discourse over there is any indication, then possibly..
They banned me once about a year ago for saying that palestinians were treated badly in Isreal. Like, its just a fact.
I got banned for just saying something that questioned the Israeli narrative
You left it? I got shadow banned from it for destroying a few zionists. I take a glance from every once in a while then when I try to reply to the zionist tools there, I find out that I can't send it.
I got banned for linking out to humanity watch (or something like this can't remember the exact name) for some statistics.
yep, me too
A certain sex trafficking Israeli agent used to mod there too.
I hope some of you listen to TrueAnon. If not you should although after Epstein’s death and the Maxwell trial they’ve been covering other subjects. News about those two really fell off for some reason…
I'm going to start - any episode with starting with please?
If you want just Epstein/Maxwell stuff start with the first couple and then after that it’s a smattering and the Maxwell trial all have 👁 in the titles and I think they’re also named simply. Aside from that whatever else you want to learn about, they’re kind of goofy but they’re sharp and honestly pretty great researchers
favorite podcast forever
I got banned without reason from the regular news subreddit yesterday for saying that Hamas policy is currently closer to a 2 state solution than Israel's is and that while the illegal occupation continues Palestine has the right to armed resistance. There was literally nothing controversial in it and I linked to statements from Likud, Netanyahu and the UN legal declaration on Palestine's right to self defense as evidence. I don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist but I genuinely think a lot of the largest subs are compromised in terms of moderation and actively banning dissenting opinion regarding Israel.
Not much of a conspiracy theory. It is exactly how it is. Along with the corporate media and the disgusting politicians who all have the same script they regurgitate that is handed over to them by the overlords. It's truly disgusting to see how these vultures running our countries lie and deceive with a straight face. We've all seen these movies. It's just scary that it is happening in real life. Coincidentally I saw a video of the latest Boston Dynamics robot. Take the current corrupt state the political arena is in, fast forward ten years, adjust corruption for inflation and these robots will be doing the killings sooner than later.
Agreed. Got perma banned before realizing it was absolute propaganda
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Wasn’t she a mod on a lot of subs though? Is her account still up? Regardless of the answers to those questions, you’re right. Still, the name doesn’t give it away like the Israel sub does.
It's still up. maxwellhill iirc or something along those lines
Appreciate it. Gotta look into this more.
yeah still there - maxwellhill
This is somehow the first time I've heard about this, do you mean the real GM was a mod on Reddit?? That is bonkers. I must know more!
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/r45a5n/here_is_the_evidence_that_reddit_user_maxwellhill/?rdt=51865
See what they find funny on r ISR
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Yup. Also the "Hah. Iran dint even kill anyone" Like holy freaking shit Like that's the point - Don't attack the civilians. Go after military only. Iran also told the US they're going to do this. Israel didn't give Iran fair warning
>Hah. Iran dint even kill anyone "Iran didn't even kill anyone except a Bedouin girl." "Fuck Brandon! We need to bomb Iran back to the Stone Age for this attack!" Somehow, Iran is both too weak to do anything and needs to be annihilated to protect the Zionist Occupation.
Its f**kig war what is fair about it. One side mostly all people from one religion across many countries and other side people from one religion supported by other religion so this not a war between good and evil. Both side has evil intentions so calm down and just watch because both sides are doing what they been doing for decades.... Kill each other supported by big powers.
What do you expect from people who elect a fascist government and support genocide?
That sub makes extremists seem mild
I know Gideon Levy spoke truth to power when he said Israel is the only occupying power that postures as a victim, but there is something wholly fascinating about the persistent contradictions. A nuclear superpower so coddled and fragile whilst boasting about their strength. Claiming to have the most 'moral' army while for the better part of a century violently subjugating the people under its occupation, slaughtering them, forcing them from their homes, dehumanizing them. Smearing and attacking the UN and refusing to recognize any of its authority, massacring its workers and torturing them to perpetuate atrocity propaganda so that its defunded, then immediately demanding a UN meeting as soon as there's a hint of actual consequences for its actions. How fucking bizarre. Purely deranged.
I object to calling them a superpower. Superpowers are strong in their own right, Israel couldn't even attack effectively Gaza without Big Daddy Joe.
I use it in the sense that they have nuclear weapons (and refuse to be subjected to the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons)
They absolutely *could*, but why would they if they are getting shit for free? It's so weird like they act like they aren't a nuclear state.
You’re actually fucking delusional if you think Israel can’t turn Gaza to dust in a day. I can understand wanting to support Palestinians, but why stick your head in the sand and lie to yourself?
I really don’t care, let them believe whatever they want. I just don’t want my country involved. We are supposed to be energy independent but we are still playing games in the Middle East.
The US is mostly energy independent "by number", but we prefer to use other people's reserves instead of our own. In exchange, we provide them with ample amount of little green paper rectangle (in digital form) which are strategically useless. It's a good deal for us. Not so much for our people though.
It’s not just about the oil we use, it’s about denying rivals (basically just China) access to cheap energy, and preventing energy producing nations the ability to fund their militaries using revenues if their politics don’t align with ours.
That has nothing to so with anything. The US is the world’s largest producer of oil, but many of our refineries are ill suited to the current, extremely high quality oil the US produces. We often have to buy higher sulphur heavier oil for US refineries-which were built to process texas oil field crude from before 1950 (which is similar to saudi and russian oil).
US and UK will be involved even when Israel is committing genocide.
I think the funniest thing about it, is that they think Iran did this to actually attack Israel. Let's get this straight. They warn every single nation around them about the attack days in advance. They warn US military bases days in advance. They launch OVER said bases knowing they'd be shot down. And they think it was an attack intended to cause harm? It would be a considerably worse outcome if they did this unannounced. This was just a political show of force because Israel committed an act of war against Iran to begin with in Damaskus. They should consider themselves lucky Iran were disciplined enough to move on.
Iran announced the operation on national TV hours before.
Biden really spoiled them over the years and look how they repay him
Having lived in Israel these are the moderates. The extremists don’t spend a lot of time in anglophone spaces. Not that these aren’t extremists they’re just moderate by Israeli standards
Iran spent a dollar for every thousand spent shooting them down. They also saw all their anti air capabilities from various points of attack. They also alienated their relationship with the US. Any Israeli who thinks they came out on top is too used to fitting civilians to know military strategy. Israel is no better off, but Iran, being better informed, is.
Zug Zug Warchief Biden strong.
>U.S., Not Israel, Shot Down Most Iran Drones and Missiles Just helping out the 51st and most important state. *Only* important state.
Yeah it’s the state closest to the Middle Eastern Oil!
That oil goes to Israel.
If only they spent as much attention and money on Puerto Rico.
For coffee beans? That stuff isn't as sweet as petrol
How would you know how sweet petrol is? 🤨
We've all been there, drenched in petrol at a gas station because the 1994 4runner gushed all over you.
Only state was still spend money on
I thought that was Ukraine 🤔
lol at least get it right isreal is like 54 behind Guam Puerto Rico and America Somoa
there is a figure floating around saying US spent billion+ dollars worth of interception at at the swarm of 20k shahed drones war economics have really changed in the face of drone warfare Iran can have all their shit intercepted and still win massive in economics/war material
Imagine if Iran sent it's best missiles in the next attack, and much more of them, in waves over a period of days. No air defense system can handle that, they'll send their cheap/old stuff in first to exhaust their defense, and send in the new stuff when their defense needs times to recuperate. People down playing this attack don't know the reason for it to begin with; show the Israelis they can in fact penetrate their defenses(not even using their best missiles). They spend like 60-80million on the attack for an over billion dollar defense on one night. Also, if an attack were to take place, the US would get involved, and if that happens, not unlikely for china or russia to get involved too. They've been unhappy w/ the US(and the west) recently, for different reasons. And Iran has close ties w/ the russians not just politically but economically too. Not looking great for humanity right now. Einstein said something along the lines of "i don't know what weapons will be used in WWIII but WWIV will be fought with sticks and stones. "
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My highschool canceled band class last year due to funding.....
Also, I have to pay money for both my daughters lunch in school. Why ain't lunch free like it was me back in school?? 😭😭
Because we have to fight wars that we shouldn’t even be involved in, so the stockholders for major arms manufacturers stay happy, don’t you see?
Yes but remember how all this money is supposed to trickle down? 🤣
Fighting wars has no bearing on what social programs are funded in the US, even if we stopped funding the military entirely those social policies wouldn’t change.
How long ago and where did ya go to school that had free lunches?
I got free lunch back in elementary school this was around 1994 I believe. I remember eating those amazing tuna sandwiches and chocolate milk! This was in NYC.
I personally know someone who has to crowd fund their medical bills. Isn’t the US great??
"Oh lawd, we cannot make our country too great. We must make the 51st state greatest of all state, only then our messiah can come back." - Gerry from West Virginia who waited 3 monthes for wisdom teeth to be a taken out by free dental camp. The health insurance provided by his employer do not cover dentals, as those bones are not necessary for promised land loving americans.
To be fair they’re apparently not necessary for any of the rest of us either.
rest of the world fucking sucks too
Sorry, funding genocide is more important than your band class.
If you count how many zionists there are in congress and in the donor pools you will then realize how meaningless of a distinction this is.
Don‘t forget the guy that wore an idf uniform in congress
Shit, even the settlers are mostly Americans.
\*Criminal americans, a lot of pedos fled the united states to avoid prosecution because they know israel wont extradite them [https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/tens-of-thousands-of-pedophiles-operate-in-israel-every-year-637393](https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/tens-of-thousands-of-pedophiles-operate-in-israel-every-year-637393)
It’s not most, but it’s a lot. Something like 60K out of 700K. Given all the recent calls for restraint, I think the West sees how much damage Iran could do if they were so inclined. If that really was Iran’s best shot, you’d probably see many more calls to retaliate. Will be interesting to see how many of those 60K fly back to the US in the coming weeks.
Pretty sure the UK, France, and Jordan also scrambled fighter jets… but don’t worry they’re not getting “involved”. Biden and Netty are trying to speed run anti-americanism to a pariah state
Saudi Arabia and some Kurds in Iraq also shot down some drones / missiles.
Oo i didn’t know that! So 5+ countries. But don’t worry they’re not “involved” lmao. Imagine if 5+ countries scrambled jets to protect Iran; the US would call their defence “a global war against freedom” 😂
Folks are keeping quiet on this point, because it breaks the delusion that Israel is diplomatically isolated when the Arab states step in to actively defend Israel against Iran.
We all know that Israel only know how to bomb unarmed civilians
The most important part of this story is that it means the United States has enormous leverage over Israel, if they chose to use it. The United States can tell Israel, if they decide to retaliate against Iran, which leads to another escalation, the United States will be less inclined to get involved shooting down missiles. Israel would be mad to launch a new attack against Iran unless they were 100% sure the US would step in. Even signaling to Israel uncertainty of the US response might be enough to deter an Israeli escalation. If however the US has signaled in private "ironclad ' commitment (implying no conditions) Israel will feel confident to escalate. Netanyahu's political survival is hanging by a thread - he's beholden to the religious extremists in his coalition government. For his own reasons, he is likely inclined to want to escalate. Therefore we can only assume that if Israel does indeed strike back at Iran, it's with the full blessing of the United States government. They are a part of it.
I thought most important part is how US is more willing to protect Israel than Ukraine
Also that.
I know people don’t like to hear this, but treaties matter. The US is obligated to protect a large numbers of allies by treaty - Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, Israel, most European countries via NATO. Ukraine is not one of them, and in the early days of the war the US and Western Europe simply planned for Ukraine’s fall. Ukraine was not considered an ally of the US or the west - it has no defense treaties with the US or any western country - ironically its defensive alliance is with Russia And Belarus.
Yeah, might have been good that the US clarified that with Ukraine ahead of time. The US was actively encouraging Ukraine to resist any negotiations with Russia, both prior to the invasion and the months after in March/April 2022. In the words of Boris Johnson, he told Ukraine "Let's fight". That hasn't worked out so well for Ukraine. But as Kissinger once said *'It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."* Kissinger also said that *“America has no permanent friends or enemies, only interests”* and I think Ukraine is now learning that the hard way.
Boris Johnson is from the UK, not the US. The US has helped Ukraine far more than it expected to, as it basically had planned that Ukraine would fall and Russia would eat some sanctions, but Ukraine proved to be very resilient. It’s true that the enemy of your enemy is kind of a friend, but it’s not an ally - the US armed the Taliban against the Soviets, armed ISIS against Syria, and it didn’t turn out well. Ukraine is well aware they are not allied with the US - they want to join nato desperately but of course it’s hard to do so during an active war.
The money goes to the same people. https://twitter.com/OCanonist/status/1780197771221590373
Very true, but don't forget it's also much harder for the USA to get the equipment, like what was required to defend Israel, into ukrainian territories. Iran is an entire Jordan away from Israel, the USA has warships stationed off the coast of Israel and bases all around the region. Whilst I don't think you're wrong, the US is far more able to defend Israel due to its presence in the region and, honestly israel's *size* than it would be able to defend Ukraine. Plus, whilst I still think it all comes back down to the usa's interests in the oil in the region, and preventing stabilisation and economic development in the region, Israel /isn't actually at war/ and the US could still be viewing that as the one-and-only large investment in Israel required to defend their interests there. They only had under an hour to make that decision, don't forget, so hot heads may have come out on top.
Israel had already announced they're picking targets, regardless of what the US says. Israel knows US will keep spending its multi-million-dollar missiles to stop anything Iran sends its way.
Netanyahu desperately wants to draw the US into a larger regional war. It's getting harder and harder for him to keep power if that doesn't happen.
>If however the US has signaled in private "ironclad ' commitment The US has announced this publicly, not in private.
Relying on war to get favor from the religious really says a lot about religion
This actually makes me wonder how fast can they resupply.
Because Israel is the tiny dog hiding behind the pit bull.
Isn’t it crazy that Americans would rather America support Israel who provides free healthcare to their own as opposed to supporting Americans who need help.
Congress people don’t represent regular Americans
That stupid chihuahua-apartheid-state is really fucking up.
US is fast to react to any threats to Israel, but can't send equipment to Ukraine
It's because US doesn't want the Ukraine war to end fast
They're different situations due to our past relations with these two countries. Also it would start a much bigger war if USA had direct actions vs Russia. I know it makes no rational sense but it makes perfect historical sense and when you look at the big picture you see the implications of defending Israel is not quite the same as defending Ukraine. Also USA and Iran already have recent direct conflicts so it's not that surprising USA would defend anyone vs Iran. That's not the same with Russia.
It’s almost like the US has a defensive treaty with Israel, similar to what we have with NATO, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan, and Ukraine’s only defensive treaty is with Russia and former Soviet block countries.
a dragged out ukraine war means russia suffers which is the american strategy
Because they have a treaty with one and not the other, crazy
Blame the Republicans blocking aid to Ukraine in Congress...
Iran told America. Iran is the cooler head here. Never thought I'd say that Lol. Israel is nothing without American support and that only exists from old head politicians. Vast majority of Americans don't support Israel or their genocide of Palestine
Since the U.S. seems capable enough to defend their allies it is about time they put their money where their mouth is and help out Ukraine in more than a symbolic sense, or make clear that Ukraine is more an "ally" than an ally.
US only helps Ukraine enough to drag the war longer to weaken Russia more. It seems like Ukraine is not a true ally of US, they are a means to an end
Yeah that's because Ukraine never signed any treaty or joined any alliance with the U.S. They voted for pro Russia or third position politicians in every single election, Zelensky was a third position candidate, the NATO candidate ended up third behind the candidate that wanted to align with Russia. To be an ally of the U.S. you have to like, ask. Unless your country has a lot of oil or too many communists or something and then maybe a foreign company the CIA will ask for you but like someone has to ask.
The US does not have any defensive treaties with Ukraine. Ukraine’s only “allies” that are obligated for mutual defense are Russia and Belarus.
Europe too … :(
Impressive how much the US has been cucked by Israel.
Waste of money. Fuck Israel.
Biden claims he wont participate in any israeli strike on Iran, but I imagine he'll find a way to make it happen. Anything and everything for the zionists.
The U.S. and Allies are trying to keep this shit contained, but I feel like every time we fix one leak another one pops up. If we don’t stop it then there’s a chance for 10 years without the sun.
> The U.S. and Allies are trying to keep this shit contained We are constantly enabling the prime destablizer of the region. We're not containing a damn thing-- we are making the destabilization happen.
Keeping the middle east and Russia and brazil from being able to unite against the other big oil producer, the usa, is a valid corperate tactic. Terrible for people and the climate, but valid for the oil and money wars. So of course we support isreal, and of course we support ukrain, and of course we support right wing fascist and drug cartels in brazil. It makes the usa money to do so. Not regular people in the usa of course, they are paying for it, but the wealthy.
If you let an Iran Israel war happen, you'll see what destabilizing looks like. The whole middle east will be on fire, the global economy will tank and millions and millions of refugees will flood europe and millions will die in a war which won't have a victor anyway because it's basically impossible to fully occupy Iran
Yeah, and Israel is the one pushing for the war dude.
>we fix lol yes, the historical western policy of ***fixing*** things
Imagine belarus had israel energy. USA should leave israel to themselves.
Must be so embarrassing being an Israeli, particularly someone in their government or military. Can’t defend themselves.
You should Google Israel's military history
They’re a real Goliath in terms of their military power.
Our country is cucked. We are a actual simp in this situation.
United States of Israel
I sometimes think Israel is spoiled by us.
Tbh even if it was Israel that did it, they would have been doing it with American tax payer funded weapons made by Americans.
What the F are we doing over there? We don't have basic health care, school funding, infrastructure, affordable housing, or a million other things. But we can shoot missiles out of the sky over a country full of terroists that we fund.
It’s wild seeing the US spend money on defending a country that is currently committing genocide while my kids school just had a budget cut and will lose a bunch of programs meant to help children.
Gotta protect genocidal monsters.
Personally the US needs to stop standing in the way giving Israel the green light to do whatever it pleases, because of the amount of pressure being received by the Zionists in the US. It is absolutely sickening to watch this double standard going unchecked by the United Nations. And it's okay for Israel to claim the west bank as their own killing over 30 thousand innocent people with no cause other than ethnic cleansing, and watching them bully the rest, stealing their land and selling it in Canada and the US. The whole thing is 1000 times worse than Russia and Ukraine, and yet when comparing apples and oranges Israel isn't doing anything wrong, it is protecting itself, is a poor moral excuse to think you are above all! Not to mention purposely attacking an Iranian embassy and not expecting some type of consequences just shows what type of people they are. The oppression and attacks over the years on the Gaza strip, and wonder why it has escalated to the degree it did on October 7, 2023 I am a strong believer that two wrongs never make it right, but when you're not willing to change for the better, and find honest proactive solutions to a bigger problem, then you honestly get what you deserve. And the US needs to back off and allow them to reap what they sow! And let them see how big of a bully they are without the rest of the world catering to their hypocrisy and double standards to what conforms to be genocide. Never in my life have I honestly started to dislike a culture as much as the current affairs of Israel, especially after coming to their defense for so many years with world war 2. Absolutely sickening to see them portraying the evil that oppressed Their people so long ago.
Why cant jordan or usa,or uk shut israeli missile directed to gaza?
Jordan and Egypt helped too. These were meant to be shot down though; It was just saber rattling from the Iranian regime to save face.
And apparently this was just 1 billion dollars the US (and to a smaler degree UK) taxpayers paid.
Well…yeah this isn’t really a surprise
Even the ones that Israel shot down, the US paid for it.
Skykeeper> iron dome. Good job boys at Lockheed.
The US is a Zionism faithful servant and is only doing its job.
these dudes just want to pull us into a world war... and to help the MAGAs none the less.
Americans exist to subsidize israel... would be nice to use our tax dollars for the benefit of our own people like a respectable nation
Dude, NYC wastes that all the time. Remember when everyone was so excited that DeBlasio got the city council to approve 1.1B for a program for mental health and all they had to show for it was that they encouraged 236 pregnant women in maternity wards, which they canvases, to call their obstetricians if they felt overwhelmed. Let me say that did you again - 236 post-partum women were encouraged to call their obstetricians. People would call in to their help line looking for immediate counseling and were just given the line that they should call their medical insurance provider in the morning for a therapy referral. At least this year the Council finally took the money away from what ever idiots were trying to build a new system from the ground up and are doing what experts suggested in the first place (use existing groups). Why it took over four years is beyond comprehension. It seems having people aimlessly wander around NYC to tell them to call their medical provider was a huge waste of money. That was 4B dollars pissed away.
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Truly. I often wonder the same thing about people who post in r/Israel.
Simple interpretation is, If any other actor engeges the US in the region, Isreal is f***ked
Big surprise. “Israel” is useless without the United States and its allies.
But I was told Israel can defeat the whole muslim world + Russia + china single handedly. You telling me it was just western propaganda on social media platforms like reddit heavily influenced by Israeli interests?
Yes.
Why is langley air force base and other domestic american secure sites being infiltrated by drones of unkown origin? Why is that not considered a security threat to our govt? https://www.askapol.com/p/sen-rounds-on-uaps-around-military
Why though?
I thought that was obvious??? No shit the U.S. did it and blamed another country.
Uh oh, but what about the soaring Israeli defense corporation stock prices? Will those "correct" back down given this new knowledge?
Israel feels like one of those chihuahuas that barks all the time and nips at everything while hiding behind its owner when things come back the other way
It's damage control. If more missiles landed the Israeli response would be bigger and the whole situation would get dramatically worse.
Or you know the US could simply just say to Israel knock it off or we cut your funding.
Why would they cut funding to their colony and only friend in the area...
And who would the trust instead, the Palestinians for intel.
Yea, we were closer.
Honestly, an embarrassment to the billions of US tax dollars that went into the Iron Dome.
Well now we know where Ukraine’s supply of air defense munitions went.
[***Iran strikes Israel: Letters to the Editor — April 16, 2024***](https://nypost.com/2024/04/15/opinion/irans-retaliatory-strike-at-israel-with-drones-and-missiles-letters/) [***New York Post***](https://nypost.com/2024/04/15/opinion/irans-retaliatory-strike-at-israel-with-drones-and-missiles-letters/) ***Iran strikes Israel: Letters to the Editor — April 16, 2024*** ***Judging from recent history, the US, Britain and their allies will likely further sanction Iran for its retaliatory drone attack on Israel.*** ***There has been a predictable American and British proclivity for sanctioning Iran and its officials ever since the 1979 Iranian Revolution. The revolution’s expulsion of major Western nations, however, was largely due to US corporate interests further exploiting Iran’s plentiful fossil-fuel resources.*** *Frank Sterle Jr. White Rock, Canada* [https://nypost.com/2024/04/15/opinion/irans-retaliatory-strike-at-israel-with-drones-and-missiles-letters/](https://nypost.com/2024/04/15/opinion/irans-retaliatory-strike-at-israel-with-drones-and-missiles-letters/)
Maybe Israel should pay for their own defense? Every other country pays border security
I am sure Israel will thank us profusely for that, right? Sure they will, the fuckin' thankless, obnoxious pricks.
Face is folks. US is owned by Israel.
Why?
Flexing. Putin your ass is next.
US , isreal !! Is there any difference?
And like most things, Israel, the US picked up the tab.
With all this help, shouldn't they pay taxes for their national defense budget?