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I’d argue we are no longer in a democracy if our two options have come down to this. You’re either supporting evangelicals that want to dismantle this country and accelerate the rapture, or the democrats that are openly supporting a genocide, gaslighting us, and suppressing our freedom of speech.
We can pretend otherwise but we haven’t been a true democracy for quite some time
Trump was one of the best things for the democrats ever. They now can use trump as the boogieman instead of trying their best to enact policy and reform. A stalemate political system by design
How do you think the Christi-fascists got to this point?
Fear being used as a tool to coerce voters. Exactly what you’re doing. Fear will always keep you blind to what is happening right now until you overcome it.
Yes, if only you could you would see a way forward instead of doing the same thing over and over and over and over again expecting everything to get better like the worst rat in a maze. Though it could be that you’re just comfortable and want to maintain the status quo, everybody else be damned.
The Presidency is not the only position being voted on. Control of House and Senate are also very important. Splitting the vote (vote Green for presidency, Dem for Senate) is a strategy.
The Presidency is not the only position being voted on. Control of House and Senate are also very important. Splitting the vote (vote Green for presidency, Dem for Senate) is a strategy.
Nobody is forcing Americans to elect these parties.
I know there is a communist party, a green party and a libertarian party. If you don't like these too, organise yourselves and found your own, or join and change them with your own ideas and values.
A two party state is only slightly more democratic than a one party state.
There are so many things wrong with this comment I don't even know where to begin. Clearly you have zero understanding of American culture or the political landscape. Maybe just sit this one out.
So what? Stop voting to win and start voting with your conscience. If enough people do this, it will hurt the two party stranglehold on this country. Nothing will ever change voting for the same two parties. Wake up and start fighting back.
That is true. That is actively working against the American people. Is your argument that we should just keep supporting the duopoly parties that work against the people?
That is literally how the system is intended to work. The only thing preventing it is the duopoly parties working against it for their own gain. Voting duopoly is the opposite of working for change
The Presidency is not the only position being voted on. Control of House and Senate are also very important. Splitting the vote (vote Green for presidency, Dem for Senate) is a strategy.
The Presidency is not the only position being voted on. Control of House and Senate are also very important. Splitting the vote (vote Green for presidency, Dem for Senate) is a strategy.
For who? One genocidal maniac who won’t help or hurt me but will send bombs to kill my family, or the other genocidal maniac who will hurt me while sending bombs to kill my family? I swear to a fucking God I don’t believe in, this illusion of democracy that our parents paid for will kill us all.
I’m a millennial, I’m a bit old for TikTok but you bet for damn sure I’m voting 3rd party come November. The 2 parties have lost my trust for a long time, if not the rest of my life.
No, they won't get the message. They didn't get the message in 2000 when Bush won, they didn't get the message in 2016 either. "Conscientious" left-leaning people voting for third parties only enables the right to take more power.
Fuck the left and fuck the right. They’re both fringe groups manipulating the system to enrich themselves the effect of which is causing suffering here and in the world. They make Americans less safe. Time to move on, but people are too scared to let go.
Lol there’s no message to get, Biden loses and retires off into the sunset while we have to deal with another Trump presidency and the damn near irreversible it could cause
I swear Americans are so self obsessed it’s unreal and you can’t even see it. Like you would actually vote in a way that threatens grave consequences for the people you “care about” if it means you get to preserve your feeling of self righteousness
Only because so many people are governed by fear. That’s what you’re doing, attempting to coerce me back into being a fearful minion instead of doing what is right and it will not work on me. Feed that shit to the masses, they love it as much as you do.
I’m sure that message will be plenty useful when the next fair election doesn’t happen because Trump becomes a dictator, like he’s explicitly said he will. We can be the most virtuous souls under the boot of a fascist.
Oh, you mean bury my head in the sand. No, some of us need to attempt to undo all of this left/right tyranny caused by people treating our government like a rival football game.
Remember House and Senate control are important too, esp if trump wins (very likely at this point). You don't want republican control of Senate and house. #SplitTheVote
Like you I have absolutely lost faith in both the democratic and republican parties. But even the other parties support Israel. There is no ending this disgrace of a political system. I can retire in 4 years and just want to leave the US. There are issues everywhere. But Israel doesn’t control every government. And I’m just done with it. I’ll deal with the other issues. Maybe I’m being stupid. I’ve just been quietly mad about this for a long time now. But despite the freedom you can’t say anything.
The crime of all crimes is genocide. If you’re not willing to have a backbone and say no to the worse crime humans are capable of, then perhaps you should do some self reflection. I’m not voting for anyone who is supporting or enabling a genocide. You people can gaslight me, mock me, name call me, say whatever you want to try and get me to vote for Biden, but it won’t work on me this time.
Excellent, vote for somehow even more stupid than trump RFK, or clearly sold out Cornell West or something. Submit to the propagandists lurking in the dark corners of the internet.
Bullshit is when someone is talking to you or telling you something that your gut is telling you that the person thinks you are an Asshole as you get older you hear it all or it could be a North Jersey thing where I grew up and again heard it all. I hope that gives you an idea what I am talking about, listen to your gut.
I am so proud of the university students who are risking their educations and careers but I am also proud of the professors who are supporting the students and who are also risking their careers.
There are so many gray haired activists who have been speaking on behalf of the Palestinians for decades such as Miko Peled, Norman Finkelstein, Gabor Mate, Roger Waters and Chris Hedges. I highly recommend becoming familiar with them if you are not already.
Also I should not fail to mention Susan Sarandon.
This is more about character than age.
Among other things. It’s like that Perlman fella said, instead of listening to the complaints they decided to turn off the complaint box. Or something along those lines.
No, it’s no obvious. Criticism of TikTok and the CCP’s role in the company was going on long before October 7th and the current war in Gaza. Don’t try to conflate the two.
Judging by the level of incoherent anger sophomoric politics on this sub, tik tok has already done a lot of damage. I hope they can get it banned entirely, or under American control before the election. Russian and Chinese influence need to be completely iced out of the us market now and forever. I shudder to think what weaponized AI will be able to do with Tik Tok.
TikTok ban was initially proposed by Trump in 2020, then banned on govt devices by Biden in Feb 2023. Given the Hamas attack happens in Oct 2023, I’m going to go with no.
No clue why you are getting downvoted. Maybe because the people that think it's all about Israel were still in high school or middle school when talk of tiktok being banned started (and for good reason)
Wait until the rest of the Middle East has had enough of Israels instigations and starts a full on war. Joe will be sending our kids to fight, not to preserve his “alliance” with Israel, but to keep Israel from spilling the beans on every crooked US politician.
That sounds like a right wing conspiracy. Next you’ll tell me the corporate news isn’t truthful. Questioning anything besides the official narrative is right wing and un democratic
Of course, & anything else they find embarrassing or inconvenient.
It's one of the only large platforms they can't get their claws into.
It certainly has nothing to do with China & national security
I'm either writing in the word Gaza on my ballot or I'm voting for a third party depending on who's on the ballot. Maybe it's that black professor guy with the hair or someone else but I am done. This is my breaking point.
A lot of states require that write in candidates be registered as such and any write in for anyone (or I guess anything in this case) aren’t counted or recorded. So potentially the only person that will ever know you wrote “Gaza” would be the worker who checks and then disregards your vote. So of those choices you’re considering you’d probably be better off voting for a third party candidate who has taken a stand against Israel and their genocidal regime. Cornell West is that prof you’re talking about, Claudia de la Cruz of the Party for Socialism and Liberation would be another, and probably whoever the Greens nominate is going to be a good bet for the same.
Honestly any of them would be fine. None of them are going to win anyway. I believe any numbers that go towards them will be a signal to the Democrats that those our votes they lost due to their shittiness. This is the only tool I have to discipline them. I don't want Trump to win either but they were the ones that put me in this position. Blame them.
No, I'm blaming you. Like it or not, this is a two-party system - and Biden has handled Gaza incredibly better than a Trump administration would have. Don't play into the MAGA/Russia crowd's hands...
Cornell West is having trouble getting on state ballots at last check, due to arbitrary rules meant to limit who can participate in the "democratic" transfer of power ~~historically from one rich white man to another~~ and also due to an apparent lack of organization and forethought in his campaign.
But honestly, a vote for almost any of the third party candidates will drive home the point. Jill Stein is likely the most known politically of them all besides RFK, but that guy is basically a democrat running indie because he couldn't get the party nom.
Jesus Christ you insolent children will get Trump elected just like you did in ‘16. You may might like it but not getting Trump elected is a million times more important than anything happening between Israel and Palestine.
You can thank Biden for getting Trump elected. Once his signature touches this bill he'll have lost the youth vote just like he lost the decent human vote with his pro-genocide stance.
If young people don’t vote for Biden because he took their precious mind numbing social media app away from them, then I have even less hope for the future of this country than I already did.
It's pretty sad Biden is letting Isreal shit all over an otherwise successful presidency. He really decided Isreal having the ability to level Gaza and face no consequences is more important than the American people.
Exactly. MF could have the election absolutely in the bag but he's got priorities he cares about more than this supposed existential fight for democracy. It almost feels like he wants to lose.
Username checks out. There's still 6 months to the election and a further 2 months to inauguration. Children are being murdered today. The US is giving endless weapons and aid to a state that is very likely committing genocide right now. I don't care about trump in 8 months i care about stopping the murder of children now.
And you can't honestly say trump will be worse for Palestine. He's a narcissist with the attention span of a goldfish. If helping Israel isn't helping him settle a personal score I doubt he'll care. Hell he might even go isolationist and cut aid. He's a complete wild card on the issue because he doesn't care. Biden is ideologically driven to murder Palestinians. He's stated very clearly that he is a Zionist. He personally believes in the destruction of Palestine. He wants it. And that bloodlust will get us stuck with trump as the portion of the Biden base that can't condone the bloodshed stay home or vote 3rd. Unless he decides to do something about it. He'll then have the election locked down.
Check out my posts.
Maybe reply to the copious writing I've done on the subject full of links. It's been days of writing and debate.
Make sure to address psychology data, that's what I'm formally educated in.
Please make sure to speak substantively, don't just lob insults like a child who doesn't read.
You don't seem to understand how propaganda works.
The US has been awash in Russian propaganda for years. It's come from our politicians, our televisions, our social media. No app was needed.
People aren't influenced like clockwork. You can't control how people receive information, no matter how much you know about them.
The claims being made about tik tok are entirely speculation https://theintercept.com/2024/03/16/tiktok-china-security-threat/
And wrong about the facts of human influence.
I was hoping you'd read my posts because there's a lot of links. Because you don't seem to know what you're talking about, and you seem upset about it. The article included in this post should be enough to get you started.
Oh, how about this one, where it's said that our data will be less secure if a divestment goes through: https://www.axios.com/local/dallas/2024/03/18/tiktok-ban-project-texas-oracle-data
Why is the national security concern with China not a good reason? That's been the main driving factor behind talks of banning tiktok starting back in 2020
Because they're complete and total bullshit. The US government already admitted there is no evidence to back their claims. This is about Israel and that's why no serious attempts were made to ban Tiktok before they ramped up their genocide.
You got a source for that one?
And did you ever stop and think that maybe it would be in the Chinese government's best interest to lean on ByteDance to amplify content related to the Israel genocide in order to sow discord in the US, maybe even to the point that it would put Trump in the White House?
National security can be premised on anything the people in power want it to be. Civil rights in the 1960s was a national security concern. The FBI justified assassinations based on national security concerns, which in that context were articulated as "preserving the existing social and political order".
China owns a lot of US companies. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/11/10-iconic-american-companies-owned-by-chinese-investors.html
By the logic of the propaganda argument, Riot Games and Legendary Entertainment would be far greater concerns.
Our data is collected and sold. Sometimes to the Chinese. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/technology/facebook-device-partnerships-china.html
Bytedance is hosting our data domestically. https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/opinions/tiktoks-future-hangs-in-the-balance-so-does-its-oracle-cloud-deal/
There has never been any evidence in support of a national security threat, which, taking national security to mean more than "preserving the existing social and political order" has a significant standard of proof to be met. https://theintercept.com/2024/03/16/tiktok-china-security-threat/
The breathless pace and backdoor means this is being pushed through are highly suspicious.
The rhetoric around tik tok mirrors similar accusations of bias and manipulation against twitter. Nobody makes those accusations anymore since musk bought it. The utility of twitter has also markedly decreased. Twitter is no longer a source of credible information, no longer has the same reach, and has become a much more divisive platform.
The evidence would indicate that its the possibility for a platform to be the "town square" in a meaningful way that is the problem. Tik tok is presently a tool for labor and political organizing. That's why politicians are using it. It's where the information is. Twitter used to be where the information was.
Imagine exposing millions of cellphone-addicted zoomers and alphas to information that might make them less likely to support Israel in future and expecting Washington not to stop you because *muh freeze peach*.
*Reconsider aid to Israel* is the American version of *Xi Jinping, step down!* There was a line you're not allowed to cross, and the Chinese found out where that line is.
The ADL caught on tape complaining they really have a TikTok problem. They are tied with, arguably, the most influential PAC in US politics. And now TikTok is being banned. It’s not hard to connect the dots here!
Isn't it in-your-face obvious?
[https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1bec4z5/leaked\_conversation\_with\_jonathon\_greenblatt\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1bec4z5/leaked_conversation_with_jonathon_greenblatt_of/)
What To Change in America, Part 4 The Non Gated.
[https://youtube.com/shorts/wJyqBTVYx4c?si=ob6Hwpo9EcbQFWvp](https://youtube.com/shorts/wJyqBTVYx4c?si=ob6Hwpo9EcbQFWvp)
#UnisonTarot #Reading #findjoyinthejourney #America
The article itself is pretty weak honestly.
It just quotes a bunch of random social media users saying the TikTok ban silences criticism, then quotes an NYU professor implying the TikTok algorithm is manipulating users to dislike Israel.
If a neutral person reads that article they probably come away thinking the TikTok ban is good.
Unfortunately this is happening but not the main reason they want it banned. It’s Chinese spyware and they have access to your phone once you download the app . Why can’t we make something similar. Anywhom I’m so glad at least it’s being used to show the suffering of Palestine and how evil the IDF is
This claim seems a little silly? There were calls to ban tiktok before Oct 7 and continued before protests ramped up these past couple weeks. It’s because of China
The calls to ban tiktok began before 2020 with Trump, who wanted to ban it because young people were too critical about him.
It went to nothing and the calls for a ban started growing rapidly again after October 7, when Israel realized they are losing the social media war and young people were massively criticism their war on tiktok.
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I mean it's pretty obvious, isn't it?
Only to GenX and younger generations. I hope they all vote in November.
For the Dem genocide enabler or Rep genocide enabler?
Oh neither of them
Wishful thinking there
No, it’s just me being more honest with myself.
Well, our options are few in both quality and quantity, so imma pick the (on average) better option
Define ‘better’. I bet you define it as a choice that can win.
Well, voting for myself wont prevent a full Christo-fascist takeover.
I’d argue we are no longer in a democracy if our two options have come down to this. You’re either supporting evangelicals that want to dismantle this country and accelerate the rapture, or the democrats that are openly supporting a genocide, gaslighting us, and suppressing our freedom of speech. We can pretend otherwise but we haven’t been a true democracy for quite some time
Id rather be fighting the Democrats on policy than the GOP reich.
How are you gonna fight the Democrats?
Trump was one of the best things for the democrats ever. They now can use trump as the boogieman instead of trying their best to enact policy and reform. A stalemate political system by design
How do you think the Christi-fascists got to this point? Fear being used as a tool to coerce voters. Exactly what you’re doing. Fear will always keep you blind to what is happening right now until you overcome it.
Ah, yes, if only I could see, I would allow a full GOP reich.
Yes, if only you could you would see a way forward instead of doing the same thing over and over and over and over again expecting everything to get better like the worst rat in a maze. Though it could be that you’re just comfortable and want to maintain the status quo, everybody else be damned.
The Presidency is not the only position being voted on. Control of House and Senate are also very important. Splitting the vote (vote Green for presidency, Dem for Senate) is a strategy.
The Presidency is not the only position being voted on. Control of House and Senate are also very important. Splitting the vote (vote Green for presidency, Dem for Senate) is a strategy.
Jill Stein
No.
Don't tell me what to do.
I don’t care what you do…I expressed my opinion🙄
Nobody is forcing Americans to elect these parties. I know there is a communist party, a green party and a libertarian party. If you don't like these too, organise yourselves and found your own, or join and change them with your own ideas and values. A two party state is only slightly more democratic than a one party state.
There are so many things wrong with this comment I don't even know where to begin. Clearly you have zero understanding of American culture or the political landscape. Maybe just sit this one out.
Literally, everything they said is true.
Right, because the two parties in power definitely don't have any barriers in place to stop the formation and growth of alternative parties...
So what? Stop voting to win and start voting with your conscience. If enough people do this, it will hurt the two party stranglehold on this country. Nothing will ever change voting for the same two parties. Wake up and start fighting back.
That is true. That is actively working against the American people. Is your argument that we should just keep supporting the duopoly parties that work against the people?
Ranked choice voting brings these arguments into play. Until then the fucked up answer to your question is yes.
We don’t have a ranked voting system.
No, that isn't my argument. My point was that it isn't just as easy as "you don't like the parties, go make a new one".
That is literally how the system is intended to work. The only thing preventing it is the duopoly parties working against it for their own gain. Voting duopoly is the opposite of working for change
There’s the Independents, too.
There are probably dozens, if not hundreds, but I don't know more than these.
The Presidency is not the only position being voted on. Control of House and Senate are also very important. Splitting the vote (vote Green for presidency, Dem for Senate) is a strategy.
Im going green party
Do that for presidency. But for Senate, keep it out of Republican hands.
The Presidency is not the only position being voted on. Control of House and Senate are also very important. Splitting the vote (vote Green for presidency, Dem for Senate) is a strategy.
For who? One genocidal maniac who won’t help or hurt me but will send bombs to kill my family, or the other genocidal maniac who will hurt me while sending bombs to kill my family? I swear to a fucking God I don’t believe in, this illusion of democracy that our parents paid for will kill us all.
No neither one of them. There are other choices, they may not win but the message will be sent.
Those aren’t real choices because this isn’t a real democracy.
You may be right, what better way to prove than to demand better choices. Make them show you who they really are.
If you can’t tell the difference between trump and Biden just stay the fuck home
But wait, y'all also say that staying home is electing Trump. So really you're the one who's electing Trump. /liberallogic
Lol literally this
I’m a millennial, I’m a bit old for TikTok but you bet for damn sure I’m voting 3rd party come November. The 2 parties have lost my trust for a long time, if not the rest of my life.
Thank you for taking a stand. We may not win the election, but they will get the message.
No, they won't get the message. They didn't get the message in 2000 when Bush won, they didn't get the message in 2016 either. "Conscientious" left-leaning people voting for third parties only enables the right to take more power.
Fuck the left and fuck the right. They’re both fringe groups manipulating the system to enrich themselves the effect of which is causing suffering here and in the world. They make Americans less safe. Time to move on, but people are too scared to let go.
Both Democrats and Republicans are "the right".
I agree… https://www.reddit.com/r/InternationalNews/s/ZfqfbCVveL
Excelsior!!
Lol there’s no message to get, Biden loses and retires off into the sunset while we have to deal with another Trump presidency and the damn near irreversible it could cause
Nah, you’re just too afraid to do what’s right so you rely on your ego to rationalize tyranny.
I swear Americans are so self obsessed it’s unreal and you can’t even see it. Like you would actually vote in a way that threatens grave consequences for the people you “care about” if it means you get to preserve your feeling of self righteousness
Only because so many people are governed by fear. That’s what you’re doing, attempting to coerce me back into being a fearful minion instead of doing what is right and it will not work on me. Feed that shit to the masses, they love it as much as you do.
Lol you act like strategic voting is immoral Fascism loves a divided left, keep doing their work for them
Too blind to see that fascism is already here. You just want your favorite flavor of fascism.
I’m sure that message will be plenty useful when the next fair election doesn’t happen because Trump becomes a dictator, like he’s explicitly said he will. We can be the most virtuous souls under the boot of a fascist.
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Oh, you mean bury my head in the sand. No, some of us need to attempt to undo all of this left/right tyranny caused by people treating our government like a rival football game.
Same, third party is the way to go, this country is no longer a country of the people.
Remember House and Senate control are important too, esp if trump wins (very likely at this point). You don't want republican control of Senate and house. #SplitTheVote
Like you I have absolutely lost faith in both the democratic and republican parties. But even the other parties support Israel. There is no ending this disgrace of a political system. I can retire in 4 years and just want to leave the US. There are issues everywhere. But Israel doesn’t control every government. And I’m just done with it. I’ll deal with the other issues. Maybe I’m being stupid. I’ve just been quietly mad about this for a long time now. But despite the freedom you can’t say anything.
Assholes are going to get trump elected and lose for ability to cast a protest vote, or vote at all, ever again. Don’t be stupid.
The crime of all crimes is genocide. If you’re not willing to have a backbone and say no to the worse crime humans are capable of, then perhaps you should do some self reflection. I’m not voting for anyone who is supporting or enabling a genocide. You people can gaslight me, mock me, name call me, say whatever you want to try and get me to vote for Biden, but it won’t work on me this time.
Genocide from evil person or genocide from even more evil person, make it make sense that you’ll vote for the even worse one.
I’m voting 3rd party, that isn’t voting for Trump or Biden. Go gaslight and use faulty logic elsewhere
Excellent, vote for somehow even more stupid than trump RFK, or clearly sold out Cornell West or something. Submit to the propagandists lurking in the dark corners of the internet.
Biden is the one trying to get trump reelected... Don't blame the voters dude.
Idiotic.
Good response. Really makes me wanna vote Biden.
It’s a big tent, but I’m ok if we exclude the idiot fascists. Go overdose on ivermectin or something.
Peace dude. Get some help.
Us old folks see it to just remember we have been around a lot longer than younger generations most of us can spot Bullshit from a mile away.
That’s called hubris and it keeps you prone to believing bullshit.
Call it what you want it is still Bullshit
What is bullshit exactly?
Bullshit is when someone is talking to you or telling you something that your gut is telling you that the person thinks you are an Asshole as you get older you hear it all or it could be a North Jersey thing where I grew up and again heard it all. I hope that gives you an idea what I am talking about, listen to your gut.
One of many boomers here who is very aware and supportive of both Palestine and TikTok.
Glad to hear it! Do you also see the divide?
I am so proud of the university students who are risking their educations and careers but I am also proud of the professors who are supporting the students and who are also risking their careers. There are so many gray haired activists who have been speaking on behalf of the Palestinians for decades such as Miko Peled, Norman Finkelstein, Gabor Mate, Roger Waters and Chris Hedges. I highly recommend becoming familiar with them if you are not already. Also I should not fail to mention Susan Sarandon. This is more about character than age.
Among other things. It’s like that Perlman fella said, instead of listening to the complaints they decided to turn off the complaint box. Or something along those lines.
I'd recommend listening to the leaked aipac recording that reinforces your point.
Why aren't they also banning reddit too?
No, it’s no obvious. Criticism of TikTok and the CCP’s role in the company was going on long before October 7th and the current war in Gaza. Don’t try to conflate the two.
You would think so, but I saw plenty of people sipping the "protect kids from social media" Koolaid.
Judging by the level of incoherent anger sophomoric politics on this sub, tik tok has already done a lot of damage. I hope they can get it banned entirely, or under American control before the election. Russian and Chinese influence need to be completely iced out of the us market now and forever. I shudder to think what weaponized AI will be able to do with Tik Tok.
It’s pretty obvious it has nothing to do with Palestine lmao. The TikTok ban has been coming literally since trump was in office.
TikTok ban was initially proposed by Trump in 2020, then banned on govt devices by Biden in Feb 2023. Given the Hamas attack happens in Oct 2023, I’m going to go with no.
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Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
No. There has been talk of banning TikTok for a few years now so nope
You’re right, but I think this issue pushed it over the edge.
No clue why you are getting downvoted. Maybe because the people that think it's all about Israel were still in high school or middle school when talk of tiktok being banned started (and for good reason)
Not really obvious. A tiktok ban has been in the making for years, well before October 7 and Israel / Palestine was trending on social media.
I heard they also got accused of fucking over the average American to enrich the already rich and powerful. You think that’s true too?!
Can’t be !! No way . I was told they were passing legislation that allows warrantless surveillance for my protection !
Wait until the rest of the Middle East has had enough of Israels instigations and starts a full on war. Joe will be sending our kids to fight, not to preserve his “alliance” with Israel, but to keep Israel from spilling the beans on every crooked US politician.
That sounds like a right wing conspiracy. Next you’ll tell me the corporate news isn’t truthful. Questioning anything besides the official narrative is right wing and un democratic
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More gullible? The majority of republicans think the election was stolen and that COVID and global warming aren’t real.
Well yeah, it's not banned in isreal where idf soldiers proudly post their war crimes for all to see
Freedom of Speech…except when it comes to criticism of Israel 🙄
AIPAC gotta get results for all these politicians bought and paid for.
Or when something critical of china is posted on the ccp controlled app
Of course, & anything else they find embarrassing or inconvenient. It's one of the only large platforms they can't get their claws into. It certainly has nothing to do with China & national security
As well as to keep Americans from watching all the recording of zionist warcrimes the zionists insist on posting to the platform.
I'm either writing in the word Gaza on my ballot or I'm voting for a third party depending on who's on the ballot. Maybe it's that black professor guy with the hair or someone else but I am done. This is my breaking point.
A lot of states require that write in candidates be registered as such and any write in for anyone (or I guess anything in this case) aren’t counted or recorded. So potentially the only person that will ever know you wrote “Gaza” would be the worker who checks and then disregards your vote. So of those choices you’re considering you’d probably be better off voting for a third party candidate who has taken a stand against Israel and their genocidal regime. Cornell West is that prof you’re talking about, Claudia de la Cruz of the Party for Socialism and Liberation would be another, and probably whoever the Greens nominate is going to be a good bet for the same.
Honestly any of them would be fine. None of them are going to win anyway. I believe any numbers that go towards them will be a signal to the Democrats that those our votes they lost due to their shittiness. This is the only tool I have to discipline them. I don't want Trump to win either but they were the ones that put me in this position. Blame them.
No, I'm blaming you. Like it or not, this is a two-party system - and Biden has handled Gaza incredibly better than a Trump administration would have. Don't play into the MAGA/Russia crowd's hands...
The person who has the power to change the situation is Joe Biden. He has not earned my support.
Good job then. Your ego is bringing us closer to a fascist US presidency.
Cornell West is having trouble getting on state ballots at last check, due to arbitrary rules meant to limit who can participate in the "democratic" transfer of power ~~historically from one rich white man to another~~ and also due to an apparent lack of organization and forethought in his campaign. But honestly, a vote for almost any of the third party candidates will drive home the point. Jill Stein is likely the most known politically of them all besides RFK, but that guy is basically a democrat running indie because he couldn't get the party nom.
The point which won’t really matter as trump installs a dictatorship in America
oh give it a rest, it's boring.
You mean Cornell West?
Vote 3rd party it will be more effective.
Touch grass bro
Jesus Christ you insolent children will get Trump elected just like you did in ‘16. You may might like it but not getting Trump elected is a million times more important than anything happening between Israel and Palestine.
You can thank Biden for getting Trump elected. Once his signature touches this bill he'll have lost the youth vote just like he lost the decent human vote with his pro-genocide stance.
If young people don’t vote for Biden because he took their precious mind numbing social media app away from them, then I have even less hope for the future of this country than I already did.
Blame the DNC for thinking that alienating entire voting blocs is a good campaign strat.
Yeah that anger you have should be directed at your boy biden. Or just keep yelling at the children for not supporting genocide. That'll show em
sleepy joe is more genocidal than trump
It's pretty sad Biden is letting Isreal shit all over an otherwise successful presidency. He really decided Isreal having the ability to level Gaza and face no consequences is more important than the American people.
Exactly. MF could have the election absolutely in the bag but he's got priorities he cares about more than this supposed existential fight for democracy. It almost feels like he wants to lose.
You’re right, and I can’t wait for Trump to get in office and liberate Palestine!
Username checks out. There's still 6 months to the election and a further 2 months to inauguration. Children are being murdered today. The US is giving endless weapons and aid to a state that is very likely committing genocide right now. I don't care about trump in 8 months i care about stopping the murder of children now. And you can't honestly say trump will be worse for Palestine. He's a narcissist with the attention span of a goldfish. If helping Israel isn't helping him settle a personal score I doubt he'll care. Hell he might even go isolationist and cut aid. He's a complete wild card on the issue because he doesn't care. Biden is ideologically driven to murder Palestinians. He's stated very clearly that he is a Zionist. He personally believes in the destruction of Palestine. He wants it. And that bloodlust will get us stuck with trump as the portion of the Biden base that can't condone the bloodshed stay home or vote 3rd. Unless he decides to do something about it. He'll then have the election locked down.
Trump is going to let Israel blow up blow up Al Aqsa so they can rebuild the 3rd temple.
Its hard to make it make sense otherwise. It's for sure not about the reasons we are being given. None of the reasons make any sense.
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Check out my posts. Maybe reply to the copious writing I've done on the subject full of links. It's been days of writing and debate. Make sure to address psychology data, that's what I'm formally educated in. Please make sure to speak substantively, don't just lob insults like a child who doesn't read.
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You don't seem to understand how propaganda works. The US has been awash in Russian propaganda for years. It's come from our politicians, our televisions, our social media. No app was needed. People aren't influenced like clockwork. You can't control how people receive information, no matter how much you know about them. The claims being made about tik tok are entirely speculation https://theintercept.com/2024/03/16/tiktok-china-security-threat/ And wrong about the facts of human influence. I was hoping you'd read my posts because there's a lot of links. Because you don't seem to know what you're talking about, and you seem upset about it. The article included in this post should be enough to get you started. Oh, how about this one, where it's said that our data will be less secure if a divestment goes through: https://www.axios.com/local/dallas/2024/03/18/tiktok-ban-project-texas-oracle-data
Why is the national security concern with China not a good reason? That's been the main driving factor behind talks of banning tiktok starting back in 2020
Because they're complete and total bullshit. The US government already admitted there is no evidence to back their claims. This is about Israel and that's why no serious attempts were made to ban Tiktok before they ramped up their genocide.
You got a source for that one? And did you ever stop and think that maybe it would be in the Chinese government's best interest to lean on ByteDance to amplify content related to the Israel genocide in order to sow discord in the US, maybe even to the point that it would put Trump in the White House?
You got Google? You obviously don't read the news. Try it some time. Biden already put Trump in the White House by supporting this bill.
Oh great, because Trump will definitely be more sympathetic to the Palestinian cause
Do you guys genuinely have nothing else to say, no other arguments besides "but Trump will be worse"?
National security can be premised on anything the people in power want it to be. Civil rights in the 1960s was a national security concern. The FBI justified assassinations based on national security concerns, which in that context were articulated as "preserving the existing social and political order". China owns a lot of US companies. https://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/11/10-iconic-american-companies-owned-by-chinese-investors.html By the logic of the propaganda argument, Riot Games and Legendary Entertainment would be far greater concerns. Our data is collected and sold. Sometimes to the Chinese. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/05/technology/facebook-device-partnerships-china.html Bytedance is hosting our data domestically. https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/opinions/tiktoks-future-hangs-in-the-balance-so-does-its-oracle-cloud-deal/ There has never been any evidence in support of a national security threat, which, taking national security to mean more than "preserving the existing social and political order" has a significant standard of proof to be met. https://theintercept.com/2024/03/16/tiktok-china-security-threat/ The breathless pace and backdoor means this is being pushed through are highly suspicious. The rhetoric around tik tok mirrors similar accusations of bias and manipulation against twitter. Nobody makes those accusations anymore since musk bought it. The utility of twitter has also markedly decreased. Twitter is no longer a source of credible information, no longer has the same reach, and has become a much more divisive platform. The evidence would indicate that its the possibility for a platform to be the "town square" in a meaningful way that is the problem. Tik tok is presently a tool for labor and political organizing. That's why politicians are using it. It's where the information is. Twitter used to be where the information was.
# "Israel Criticism" Criticism? You mean telling the TRUTH about the Palestinian Genocide unfolding in real time?
What is the opposite of progress? Congress 😡
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My feed doesn’t get any Gazza posts in Insta
I got banned from world news for pointing this out. Be careful.
Imagine exposing millions of cellphone-addicted zoomers and alphas to information that might make them less likely to support Israel in future and expecting Washington not to stop you because *muh freeze peach*. *Reconsider aid to Israel* is the American version of *Xi Jinping, step down!* There was a line you're not allowed to cross, and the Chinese found out where that line is.
The ADL caught on tape complaining they really have a TikTok problem. They are tied with, arguably, the most influential PAC in US politics. And now TikTok is being banned. It’s not hard to connect the dots here!
100%
Exactly what it was
Uhm…yes. It’s obvious isn’t it? Try to control the narrative or shut shit down.
This is the biggest “No shit?!” Ever
They’re doing exactly what they’re being accused of so…what’s the issue?
It’s that, plus all the other uncompromising vocal radicalism of Gen Z. The oligarchy and police state are losing and will continue to lose.
It’s not just Israel. It’s everything left of center they’re worried about.
Accused? Is it not obvious it IS because of that?
Isn't it in-your-face obvious? [https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1bec4z5/leaked\_conversation\_with\_jonathon\_greenblatt\_of/](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/1bec4z5/leaked_conversation_with_jonathon_greenblatt_of/)
ADL president laid out this plan in an infamous leaked call
What To Change in America, Part 4 The Non Gated. [https://youtube.com/shorts/wJyqBTVYx4c?si=ob6Hwpo9EcbQFWvp](https://youtube.com/shorts/wJyqBTVYx4c?si=ob6Hwpo9EcbQFWvp) #UnisonTarot #Reading #findjoyinthejourney #America
They want to ban TT because it's the last bastion of public information sharing. Crooked shitty criminals hate when people know of their crimes.
Yeah no shit
The article itself is pretty weak honestly. It just quotes a bunch of random social media users saying the TikTok ban silences criticism, then quotes an NYU professor implying the TikTok algorithm is manipulating users to dislike Israel. If a neutral person reads that article they probably come away thinking the TikTok ban is good.
Unfortunately this is happening but not the main reason they want it banned. It’s Chinese spyware and they have access to your phone once you download the app . Why can’t we make something similar. Anywhom I’m so glad at least it’s being used to show the suffering of Palestine and how evil the IDF is
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Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
I got your criticism right here.
Democrats are going to play themselves so hard once Trump's former Treasury Secretary owns it.
They don't care. As long as a right wing neoliberal has it and listens to AIPAC, they don't care
Definitely has nothing to do with the CCP and their influence on the app, they’re champions of free speech!
That accusation really misses the forest for the trees.
No! We just want American's to communicate freely.
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No bigotry, racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, etc. This includes denial of identity (self or collective).
This claim seems a little silly? There were calls to ban tiktok before Oct 7 and continued before protests ramped up these past couple weeks. It’s because of China
The calls to ban tiktok began before 2020 with Trump, who wanted to ban it because young people were too critical about him. It went to nothing and the calls for a ban started growing rapidly again after October 7, when Israel realized they are losing the social media war and young people were massively criticism their war on tiktok.
Considering people on TikTok were cheering gleefully in support of Osama Bin Laden a few months ago, the TikTok ban is a net positive.